We sometimes forget that FIFA keeps piling up games, competitions to make more money and get enormous TV rights disregarding players health. Nation League, Conference league .....on top of League, Champions league, FA cup, Carabao cup, World cup ( in winter too sometimes by 40 degrees centigrade), European cup etc....
The club needs to be transparent and communicate their red line with their players, it's give and take and right now the national teams are just taking and not giving
Hi Tom, I think the problem you have with the international break is similar to the problems most Germans, and Spaniards and Brazilians have with it. It is an attitude of someone from a country that (almost) always qualifies for big tournaments. It turns the international fixtures into something that is routine, almost boring, or even worse, a chore. You yourself have repeatedly said that you don't care for international football outside of big tournaments. "of course were going to qualify for the next world cup, we should be using these matches to experiment with youth. Don.t play the players we already know about!" This all changes when you, either player or fan, come from a country that rarely qualifies, and generally struggles to do so even when we manage it. We often have much smaller pools of players and do not have the luxury to mess about, even against the so called minnows. Every game, even the nations league, or whatever its called, is considered a competitive fixture, and helps our co-efficient for the next draw. We HAVE to take every one seriously. you have to recognise that always being in Pot one for these things is rarified air. We can but dream. Put it like this The male model doesn't get that excited when he has a date with a good looking woman at the weekend, but to the awkward nerdy guy it means the world to him that she even said yes. In this metaphor, and ONLY in this metaphor, you're the male model. It means so much more to us.
We can sit here and explain and justify and it is all correct and reasonable. Yet you can only choose one, either Arsenal or your country, I'm asking you to reject that beautiful woman for your ideal match here, so what is it then?
@@Andy5682fly That's such an ignorant claim. He didn't have to choose one or the other - the injury was due to a fair duel and unfortunate landing. Ødegaard wasn't struggling before or during the game against Kasakhstan or against Austria. The fact that he went off against Brighton, has nothing to do with this. Besides, players play with small knocks all the time - just ask Saka.
@@thomassvanesndergaard4379 You make choices, that's part of life and you live with it's consequences. Playing for Norway increased the risk of him getting injured and it is a consequence of that choice. There is no ignorance whatsoever here, it's just facts. I'd rather he gets injured playing for our team than for Norway or any other country for any of our players.
@@Andy5682fly You're basically questioning players loyalty to their employer. And you're pretty naive and ignorant of how human beings work if you think the people should sacrifice as much as possible to their employer and as little as possible to their country.
@@thomassvanesndergaard4379 No I'm not naive or ignorant in fact, I'm very well aware of what players want, I'm not even referring to players here as I haven't mentioned it previously, so I'm not sure why you're bringing the player into the argument. I'm referring to the fans position when it comes to players representing their respective countries and football club, so please stick to the topic at hand. It probably is ignorant of you to presume other people are naive and ignorant, not only this you have taken the players side and have not looked at the broader context which is that many parties are involved and affected when a player gets injured on international duty. The danger of a minnow country in football such as Norway for Odegaard playing for them is that they will be inclined to use them despite him suffering an injury just a few days prior. The sensible thing to do here would be to err on the side of caution, and in this sense protect him. It makes no sense sending him to the national team at a crucial juncture in our season with the player not in his prime condition, and please spare me the Saka comparison you made earlier. It is a joke to presume and compare two injuries of a different nature and stature here, even if he's carrying only a slight injury, your body will still need to adjust to compensate for it and it increases the risk of further injury in the process.
I have always thought that we did poorly in this transfer window. We are looking to compete for at least 3 cups and we don't have the adequate squad depth. I knew this would happen and I can say we really need two or three player by January, because you'll observe that our key players don't seem to pull out of these tournaments.
Your take on Ødegaard and the Norwegain national side is way off the mark. Ødegaard wanted to play, as he wants to see Norway qualify for a big tournament. The concensus is that the side has been underperforming for years, and Norway's barely missed out on the last two qulifiers. Ødegaard has stated, on a lot of occasions, that he takes a lot of pride in being the captain of Norway. Solbakken is under no preasure to play Ødegaard. He has announced that he's leaving the job after the next WC qualifiers. Plus, few people expected Norway to win against Austria yesterday. He didn't start Nusa (a really important player, seeing as Bobb is injured), because he was worried about his fitness levels. Ødegaard playing, then has to be a joint decision. And btw, Solbakken usually answers very dryly to questions from the media, so I would take his "Arteta will be unhappy" with a grain of salt. The injury was a complete fluke. It was no malice in the duel, and Ødegaard landed awkwardly. It had nothing to do with his injury against Brighton. Ødegaard is crucial to Norway's team - Palmer, G. Martinelli and G. Jesus aren't to their national sides. For the English, I see why Nation's League is a silly concept. But as a smaller nation, it might be out only chance of qualifying for a major tournament.
Arsenal needed a Midfielder, St and a winger before selling anyone. So Eddie, ESR and Viera and Nelson regardless of how much you rate them leaves us short, Arteta himself said we were short. The problem we have is next season when Jorginho and Partey more than likely move on we will need 2 midfielders a ST a winger because Sterling is a loan, a GK because that was a loan... to get the quality we need in them positions were going to need a £200m+ spend which will not happen. We cant be relying on a January transfer window, we know how tight it is with man city without dropping point we could be out the race by January worse case
Whilst it’s frustrating to lose players, millions of people around the world have star players in their nation they don’t often get to see play (eg Norway). It’s important to be mindful of those fans when expressing our frustrations. Truth is we thinned the squad in positions this summer & are a few injuries away from pure vulnerability
@@neducationalmusic4738so according to you, a midfield roster of : Odegaard(with no real replacement), Partey, Jorginho (2 players with barely any legs), Merino(an unproven ageing player), Rice and Nwaneri are enough to challenge city? Maybe we should’ve replaced Fabio, and brought in a proper L8 last summer instead of Kai who’s a striker? We also sold ESR as though we’ve got a market of players to choose from. Last season’s lack of injury luck made everyone complacent I think, from what is usually Arsenals dismal luck. Did you see the drop off against Brighton when Odegaard got knocked?
We still have a good squad with Jorghino, Timber, Zelensky, and Kwior. Trossard/Martinelli can reshuffle, Havertz can drop deeper, and there may be a cameo opportunity for Nwaneri or Lewis-Skelly.
I am frustrated with Arteta who continues to under-rotate. Through their first two matches. Arsenal scored 4 and conceded 0. In those matches, Arteta used just 6 of 10 available subs. Arteta could have given Nwaneri a couple of cameos to get his feet wet at 8. You can’t predict injuries and definitely not a cluster of injuries/unavailability but you can prepare for it. Arteta has to improve at trusting his bench. 6 of 10 subs is unacceptable. Love Arteta but this is an area he needs to improve.
If we got Memphis Depay he could have started at front and Kai as 10 behind him... But well idk but we did feel there could be a depth problem... I guess Trossard will lead the line and Sterling from the bench either in place for Martinelli or Saka and Kai 10 rotating with Trossard...
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I get that but that’s not planning ahead for a major injury to a player who’s arguably the most important player in the team. Giving Ethan minutes instead of Vieira is one thing. Not having adequate back up for Odegaard is another.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV of course. I just don’t like it when we change things up. It never works to plan and we don’t look well oiled. PTSD I guess. Not looking forward to the next two weeks I can tell you that…
@@TheGoonerTalkTV This is not right, Tom. Fans criticise Jorginho, Maghalaes, Martinelli, Jesus, Zino. Does that mean we sell/loan them without getting adequate backup? The issue is not of loaning Vieira or selling ESR. Its about getting a quality back-up who can step in to the creative midfield role. How are you saying that we rely on Nwaneri who has not played any minute at the highest level for over a season? He is still only 17. Atleast Vieira for all the criticism, has minutes and the experience to deal with match conditions at the highest level. In a season where we are vying for the title, we cannot just say that Nwaneri is enough. He is the kid you bring to show-off in the 80th minute when we are 3-0 up, to get him some minutes, to show the crowd his skills. Not a back-up for Odegaard!
Tbh, I'm more angry about the unnecessary way this injury has happened than I am worried about being able to pick a midfield for spurs. We still have a number of decent options and combinations we can choose from, and we can predict how spurs will likely play and where they will be vulnerable - Postecoglu pretty much always does the same thing. We might not have our first choice midfielders available, but we might be able to tactic our way out of this to a certain extent by tailoring our selections to fit the game? All things being equal I'd still far rather have Rice, Ødegaard and Merino available, but there's things we can work with here.
I think if Vieira was here then he would feature. He has barely played in his preferred position as Odegaard has always played but I do also see the argument for him going out on loan. I think Mikel was looking to rotate Odegaard with Nwaneri in less important matches further on. This is totally unexpected.
Hi Tom, thx for the content. 100% agree with you. I have said many times that we have needed a backup/different solution if MO8 is out, even when FV and ESR were here. Just felt we lacked that kind of a player to step in to give him a rest and also to play the "lesser" games. However this is just plain bad luck again with injuries for The Arsenal. And "they" say we don't get injuries, I'm sure ETH will be happy! We have replacements for every player on the pitch and what they bring to the team to an extent,....except MO8. This has been the case since he joined permanently. Feel we should (and will) play dbl pivot with more a focus on counter, minus the mercurial MO8, and use the pace on the wings. This is where I believe MA needs to learn to be more savvy like more weathered managers and withdraw players for the betterment of the club. It will come as he is a very intelligent guy, just a little but wet in regards to this sort of situ. Our defence is solid, however our playmaking abilities have been clipped. I still feel very confident and expect a few BW screamers lol. Up The Arse
I'm curious n excited at the same time to see how Arteta n players will react to this. Playing double pivot with either Havertz orTrossard as CM and Jesus or Havertz as #9. Lets go gunners!!!
Tom I fear Merino could be out till end of year with fractured shoulder and now Odegard with possible torn ankle ligaments or even worse. Add Tomiyasu & Jesus. Not the start of season we both envisaged. Depressing m8
For Norway, it isn't meaningless as there's a chance to qualify for something, isn't it? For us, these breaks are infuriating as it is a threat to our players' fitness. He shouldn't have played, but the Norway coach doesn't care about the Arsenal, it's the og gard at fault too, agreeing to play. Someone has the opportunity to step up, and a certain youngun vs. spurs could be the growth spurt of a monster. I totally agree with the international break and timing of it. It's bloody typical! We have enough as they're so interchangeable up top, but we'll have to adapt now. Hopefully, scans go well. I don't know if any news has come out yet. My fingers crossed 🤞
We all want to be lineup experts with our starting midfield out but I would be curious to see saka in the right 8 for a run of games in this scenario. He still gives you that high energy engine going forward and tracking back. Still have the option of sterling and Jesus(if healthy) on the right wing. Maybe I’m just not feeling comfortable with partey and Jorginho in midfield 😂
Fans were raging for a striker hole summer. Odegaard injury doesn't relate at all, so it's crazy why fans are demanding Odegaard backup. You can't expect any club spend 150-200M every summer and not come to situation where PSR rules come closer at your doors.
WHAT drives me insane is the fact player pullout of international due for little to no reason. Yet White's treatment for refusing to play for England due to mistreatment by the England management team is shocking. Case in point, Palmer being back in training already
Always late to the conversation, listening from the USA. The EPL should change the seeding of fixtures around the international break. The matches before and after breaks for international play and Champions League for top ranked teams should be against bottom ranked teams. Of course there would be better ways of doing it for the international break, like factoring in the number of players on international teams, but this way is pretty cut and dry, and fair.
Unfortunately the problem is club football and it's expanding calendar and there is no pushback on that so they push back on international football whose windows have been like this for a long time club football is the one that has changed. Also we have a world cup in under 2 years when other confederations have their WC qualifying other countries have their friendlies I understood the concept of the nations league however there needs to be some tweaking like a player plays one game and is then a substitute in the next game depending on the opponent but these national coaches aren't inclined to work with the clubs I remember the time diaby came back in 2012 and Wenger didn't want him to be called up Deschamps basically insulted arsene and played diaby two 90 min games and he came back and got injured.
If Jesus is fit, I would like to see Martinelli start again. Plays great alongside Jesus with their link-up and getting behind the space Jesus leaves when coming back. Also helps more defensively than Trossard.
For me i’m not blaming the international break one bit, not blaming the managers who use their best players selfishly because they want to win games and keep their jobs… i’m blaming the club… 1. we are aware of the schedule albeit very stupid.. we have no back up for key players and we’ve known for a few seasons especially saka and odegaard and we end a transfer window with fans and others saying “it’s a 7 or 8” with people throwing shade that you’re negative when you raise genuine concerns… so that’s what happens take accountability please and don’t blame others 2. The club knew we had knocks to certain players… they shouldn’t be going and we’ve seen stronger clubs and managers pull their players out, cole palmer was pulled out and he’s already training with chelsea posting pics of him blatantly 3. We have to give Nwaneri a chance as if we’ve loaned out Vieira and sold ESR without going for someone like Eze imo, we must trust him so no panics please everyone who’s been backing these decisions.. calma, your manager has Nwaneri so we’ll be good If we are saying we didn’t need a back up then we shouldn’t panic as we’ve got Nwaneri, I don’t want any excuses, accountability please … we’ll get top 4 this year at best and it’s not said in hindsight, this was my thought soon as the window closed… and fyi happy that vieira and esr were sold just blows my mind how we didn’t go for players who were clearly available… there are loads of games to play so nothing like “back up”, they all share minutes and get used by the manager in games he sees them fit 👍🏾
I've been giving nearly a word for word response on people that have been complaining about Viera not being good enough for 2 years and them now complaining we let him go. I think the reason this is coming up as more of an issue than it is is two fold; 1) Odegaard is the only one in the squad without an absolute like for like replacement 2) we've got 2 other central midfielders injured/suspended at the same time. So I agree with you Tom, my view is that finding a "back up" for Odegaard is hard as if he's fit he'll play. Therefore, a youngster like Nwaneri is a sensible way of backing him up. But second (and at time of listening it has not been mentioned), if you went to City and took 3 of their starters out in the same area of the pitch they are also weaker (ironically probably with the exception of midfield, but it holds for attack and defence).
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Hi Tom I don't always agree with your views but I have to say in this show you are spot on. We sign multi purpose players, I even think Saka can play as a 10 and I believe it could be a period of new discoveries in the coming weeks that may re shape how we think about the team. If Vieira was at the club I still wouldn't pick him . However re international football I think Aresnal need to be far more strident with international managers. We pay their wages
I hope they have a plan B in terms of Formation change or replacement from existing squad... And no excuses now, please let's not change the season objectives based on events that we can control but decided not to
When you get 2 injuries back to back in a week, maybe it’s imperative to listen to your body. I understand the fighter mentality but losing your captain for a 1/3 of a season for a nothing game is foolish. Don’t think we’ll be in the title race this season, I think we’ve had enough bad omens already to make that clear.
1st team players should only play international tournaments if they make their respective national squads. These other friendlies should be played the 2nd string players. Not only would that give premier league players the rest they need, but it also gives another pool of players an opportunity to play for their country. Will also limit injuries to Premier league players.
The one injury we can’t cover… if that’s ligaments we could be looking at the season. Nwaneri is going to get a baptism of fire. We should definitely have kept Viera IMO. And yes agree 100% this break should not exist. We saw the other teams key players pull out, wish our guys did 😢
No team can legislate for when injuries occur, and at the moment, we have been unlucky to have lost Merino and then see Calafiori and Odegaard also pick up injuries compounded bu the dodgy red card for Rice. We can't keep buying top-quality players just in case of these situations, who would not be happy spending long spells on the bench.
GOONERTALK the KROENKE apologist at his best. the problem is Arteta and Arsenal, Arteta is never rotating players thus overplaying players leading to injuries. when Jesus, Partey, Ode, Saka were not fit Arteta and Arsenal always let them go for international duty thus injuries . we need to put our foot down like Fergie, PEP and tell a player he is not fit and cant go for useless international duties
I like the second idea a lot. What makes Saka so good is that he very often makes the right decision. He’s clearly a very intelligent player and in that role, that’s very important. If it were me, I’d seriously consider trying that. Saka has all the attributes that a very good 10 needs.
@@bandaemmanuel1I believe he’s going to play with two sixes with partey and Jorginho and havertz as a 10 and have trossard play 9 with saka on the right and either sterling or martinelli
Ödegaard is captain of a nation that is doing everything in their power to qualify for the big cups. Ofcourse he’s gonna play. I think most people dont understand how big it is representing your country.
Arsenal should pull rank an say no your not playing. The amount we pay you, look what’s happened now. Basically screwed us for the game against our most hated rival.
If you think we did enough in the window, thats fair! Aslong as you dont use injuries as an excuse why we didnt win the league! Man city had Haaland injured alot and KDB injured alot last season, but they had Alvarez as back up and they had Foden
@@TheGoonerTalkTV it does work, the Califiori injury is a shame but we've got cover (zinchenko, Kiwior, Timber, Tierney?) Odegaards cover is ethan Nwaneri, that's not an excuse that lack of cover.
@@liamje2585 Mikel Merino not popping up for you? Jesus' injury which means moving Havertz back becomes trickier? It's all well and good being critical but when the arguments unravel so easily it isn't great.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV that's my point though you would have to move Merino to odegards position and then havertz to Merinos position then bring Jesus in who imo doesn't offer as much as havertz in the ST role to facilitate Odegards absence, when if they had cover for Odegaard Merino plays in his best position Havertz stays in his best position and we bring in the cover, instead of weakening and losing the fluidity of the team
He should have stayed home and he’s a fool if he insisted on going IF Arteta and AFC advised against his inclusion. Norway’s coach obviously couldn’t give AF about the player
No need to panic over the injury to Odegaard. Raheem Sterling will now get more game-time without compromising Martinelli's play-time. Yes Sterling is not a 10 but Arteta (mister versatility) can make him deputize for Martin (as an "INVERTED 10" ha ha ha). Not a like-for-like substitution - but footballers are as unique as fingerprints - with even a blank cheque you wouldn't find an Odegaard "like-for-like" anywhere in the world.
Tom. Vieira is not good enough and I agree with the loan and wish he was sold. I think what most people are having problems with is the fact that we sold players, but we didn't replace them. Anyway, I see it as an opportunity for Arteta show he can rotate and give Nwaneri a run. So there are potential positives here.
Well, I don't think ESR and Viera were replaced. Marino is a midfielder we needed and it is just unfortunate he broke his arm. I think the players we sold and the players that we bought were pretty much a wash in incoming and outgoing spending right? So adding a striker and another midfielder would have been nice. We will need 2 mins next year right? Getting Sterling at the last minute was not part of the plan and we were light at wing without that signing. Imagine if he didn't land in our laps? I'm not getting the sense that we were signing a Saka backup. Anyway I see this as an opportunity for Arteta to learn to use the whole squad which I don't think he has done in the past. Nwaneri needs to get minutes!!! Timber can play 8, Kiwior or Cala can play LB and Zinny can play 8/10 but not with Partey/Jorginho. That would be a weak slow midfield. I see opportunities for growth here. Cheers.
Even though I’m telling you that both were and the club’s strategy was designed to replace both with Merino and Nwaneri that’s not enough to say they were replaced?
@@TheGoonerTalkTV fair point if Arteta uses Nwaneri. My biggest criticism of Arteta is that he doesn't use his bench. So let's hope he shows a change in character. I still think, since we will need 2 midfielders next year. Another mid would have been beneficial especially given Parteys recent track record. Although he is 5 on the trot without injury!!!
Fifa and the national sides are never going to change - they're too greedy and there's too much money to be made - so unfortunately it's on the players to wise up and get their priorities straight. Whilst I don't think the club should start throwing its weight around and start blocking anyone from representing their countries - that will just get everyone's backs up and push players towards the exit - I do think we need to sit everyone down and calmly outline the risks and consequences: we have a very competitive squad now in all areas, so anyone who comes back injured from an international they didn't need to be playing is in danger of losing their place in the side, possibly for months, possibly permanently if their replacement really shines. It could have a serious impact on their status at the club, and in the long-run that will also have an impact on their chances of future international call-ups. The choice is theirs, and the risk is theirs.
To those that said the window was a 7/10 or 8/10 was it really? When everyone said we are too short in midfield one or two injury or suspension away and we are done and Santa clause is early, letting go of ESR and Fabio at the sametime and not replace them is a major failure on top of that you knew merino got injured not back till October and you fighting for the title lol come on
We could have 8 players out, Tommy, Odegaard, Merino, Calafiori, Rice, Tierney with Jesus and Timber not 100%, last time we had so many players out after 3 games we were bottom of the league, but at least this time Arteta wont get hounded out by the haters for the sack
Schedule loading has been the heaviest it's been in maybe the history of modern football the last three years, and along side ultra-condensed fixtures "the powers that be" decided to add extra CL games. Anyone with half a brain could see there were clearly going to be issues if the same players repeatedly had even more high stress minutes pumped into them. Excluding the injury risks, at the very least performance levels were/are going to noticeably drop due to exhaustion. Spanish/Middle Eastern preseason camp aside. So, here we are. Ranting and raving like lunatics. You spoke of "Arsenal only signing assets" now, you know what destresses these assets Tom? Arguably more than being in national teams or a history playing elsewhere? Injuries. When people point out the shortcomings in Edu, other than the clearly bang average negotiating skills, this is it. Lack of marginal gains. It could be argued with Edu that there have been some very very obvious poor scouting choices/flaws in logic over his time. As well as easily avoidable poor timing that fans dismiss as "what happens behind closed doors". But this lack of foresight really hurts. Sometimes you want/need a mad scientist rather than a BBQ chef. My very simple question to anyone that'd listen was what happens if one or more of Saka, Havertz and Odegaard get injured? Yet to hear a decent answer. Consensus conclusion seemed to be we're cooked. Or, some other gaslighting bullshit. Oh, the market!? The market!? Look at what City and Liverpool are doing!? Yeah? And? Oh they're our rivals!? Yeah? And? What about profit and sustainability!? Yeah, and what about addressing having 22 1/2 players 6+ of whom are injured and none of which are seemingly number 8's? City have 115 charges and Pep threatening to leave hanging over the top of them. Liverpool have a new manager. What's Arsenal's new made up barrier to intelligent work going forward? Seems like Merino's shoulder didn't give way because big gabby fell on him, it gave way due to all the load bearing minutes he was about to endure. But seriously, Sterling was a last minute "market opportunity" (Milking Chelsea's chaos), imagine where things would stand if we moved out ESR, Fabio, Nelson AND brought in no one. There's a fine line between reckless and incompetent is my reply, not just regarding this, but in life. Does anyone really have the appetite to play dice regarding what I said above with four TOTAL central midfielders? Only a mad man. But the other kind of mad. The ignorant kind. To keep the metaphors going, moving out the "dead wood" might take time, but it also means you have huge gaps and no shelter and you're exposed. Literally. This is exactly why you... -Develop or sell Marquinhos & Tavares, (or don't buy them in the first place if there's no plan and don't fit how you want to play?) -Move on one of Kiwior or Zinchenko (or play them). -Blood your youth players where ever possible in order to get a fee however trivial (even if you don't rate them). -Don't completely tank your fringe players value (even if you don't see a future with them) -Spend flexibly rather than with a seemingly rigid year by year philosophy (One big signing, one medium signing then the rest) -Sign/loan in a cheap utility player to fill gaps. Kadioglu last year would've been my pick as I've stated earlier. Sure, there's the loaning in or buying of players, but what I'm actually concerned with is the clear lack of understanding or even awareness of the poor job that's been done by not retaining long-term OR not maximizing profit on any/all of Omari Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry or Patino, and that can't be underestimated. Shit or get off the pot. Our second biggest sale was Nicolas Anelka. Which was almost TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO! "Driving culture" with "professionals" like Cedric or Elneny might (arguably) benefit squad harmony, but you know what else can boost a squad's mood? Being able to experiment with a variety of younger players and the freshness of not only rest, but not being easily scouted or locked into playing the same exact style against every opposition for 90 minutes every week. But it seems Mikel chose to opt for pickpockets. You've stolen your cover! Good clubs plan their squads sustainably and intelligently! That was the real lesson of that David Brent level farce. If you sell Ramsdale last year, things break differently, if Lokonga goes to say a Palace under Glazner or a Thiago Motta Bologna rather than a Luton, things break differently. Some things are luck and on paper long shots like Tierney in Spain. Then there's dropping players off with a no phone service, an expiring contract to go live in another country and then deciding to go shop in the bargain bins of Chelsea and City, only to be met with "Oh those price tags are wrong, here's the very special price for you, our rivals". It's tedious. Then on top of that. This bullshit attitude of "Arsenal are one of the most promising projects in Europe" how about putting that theory into practice and showing it. In a positive way for once. Calafiori wanted a move, Merino seems iike good business, so credit where it's due. But... 3/3 starting midfielders are out for Tottenham and 6 1/2 out of 22 players are out at the moment assuming Jesus and Odegaard are injured. Havertz at 10, Zini at 10, Saka at 10, Nwaneri at 10? it's all a bit desperate and doesn't need to be. At the same time, It's not too reactionary to say Arsenal are three games in and one Rice or Saka long term injury from the season being over before it begins. I'm incredibly pissed off. Hence the rant. Would have got on the call to say as such.
That's what happens when a team trying to overtake man city has the audacity yo spend 20 million NET spend. I said all summer we need cover for Odargard but no one was having it and look now one injured player everyone in melt doen
I really don’t understand the fact that you don’t understand people complaining about Vieira, for sure we all see that Vieira wasn’t a the level to fight for the league but again the phrase don’t stop there, if you decide to let those guys leave you have to improve you wanted players that are able to help us fight for the league, you plan your team no one ever said it was easy to find a replacement for odegaard but it’s their job, they had months to think about that, for sure my job is not easy but I find a way to do it, we all know you can’t rely on Ethan, find an alternative, and if it’s that hard the only guy you have a least keep him find a solution before letting him go, but the problem Tom is again fell like you never question the club like they do a thing and you look for all the way to defend it.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV there is no explanation needed for me, you can’t say « people who were saying Ciera or ESR are no good enough now complain we let them go » to understand it like that is intentional, you just want to make fun of people or appears smarter I don’t know but you are never trying to understand, even me at the start of the window you ask me ESR or no one, I would chose to keep ESR, it was never just get rid of them so coming now acting like but but you wanted those guys gone, it was just not that quite simple to understand. Than for the rest sorry or not but most of the time almost every time you just go with what the club do, I listen to often almost everyday and yeah almost all the time!!
And I back it up every time with reason. Just because an opinion is different to yours doesn’t mean it’s wrong. A club who have risen up the table and are now competing for titles despite people like you thinking it not possible under Arteta I bet tend to make far more decisions which are correct to ones that aren’t so it’s not entirely surprising. If you don’t like how I see things, you don’t need to watch it.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV his is not about different opinion it’s you not understanding what the other are saying, ‘cause if you start your sentence by saying « the one who wanted to sell X or Y not are complaining why we sold X or Y » you already lost me because no one never said that or simply that, you do like journalist does just take a part of a sentence, so after that you can have all the explanations in the world is not I don’t know how to call but from the beginning you did not take what people said so you explanation is a no for me. where did you see me saying it was not possible to compete with arteta?? Please don’t create stupid stuff or narrative thank you ahahaha Jesus you have no idea what I think about arteta so keep your comment for you and stick to the subject (and speaking about arteta pretty sure he is not fully satisfied with the team he said himself before end of mercato the team was thin), and yeah I watch I can find some good info I don’t have the time to see and I will keep doing if I want and say again ‘cause like I said almost everyday, complicated to find a time you say something the club is wrong (almost doesn’t mean never)
Its not as if we were not aware of this International break. The entire team and the world knew of this before the first pre-season match, yeah? We are cursing the international break now, because of the way it has affected us. But facts remain, we were not prepared for any extremities.
If we can win without him, should get rid, he should be rested not playing in these meaningless games. He'll be out for 3 games what's the use for us. Not very helpful.
The amount of moaning these days from arsenal fans is jarring. It feels like we moan about every single thing. Might as well just forfeit the season the way people are going on
Wether representing there country or not its Arsenal that pay their wages & a player already carrying a knock , should not have played , this is now building up into a season defining period , 2 points dropped at home & with 3 games that could wreck Arsenals title challenge , a bloody stupid time to play unnecessary international break a potential 6 points dropped & a dodgy start to the champions league 😡🤬😡
Hey Tom - big fan of the channel. Just wondering whether when you say ‘apathy’ you mean ‘antipathy’? Old teacher of English here, just can’t help myself. COYG!
@@TheGoonerTalkTV - thanks for the reply Tom - I kind of interpreted it like that to begin with, but as you sometimes use it in reference to fans being quite agitated/opinionated it caused me to wonder. Apologies for second guessing you.
Tom, I am a little nervous about typing this but I am confused. Let me start by saying I am in agreement with you and so not trolling etc which is what i am nervous about how this coming across but you say you are fed up with people blaming Arsenal and the club have no issue. You say people shouldnt be blaming the club but in your hieracrchy of blame at the start of the video you say Arsenal are in your hierarchy because of not withdrawing players
@@TheGoonerTalkTV thank you for clearing that up. Keep up the good work as well. I rarely make a live show but have been listening daily for 4 years now.
Morning Tom and everyone, this is awful news , potentially derailing the entire season.. gonna see a bit of Nwaneri now that’s for sure.. just got to hope it’s not as bad as it looks
I keep reading about how the squad's been left short because of the recent transfer window, anyone who seriously thinks we could have acquired a player to fill in for our skipper is deluded, you simply can't acquire another player with his unique abilities, he's worth in excess of £120m, so you're looking at spending £70-80m for someone to fill in when he's not available, it's not happening. Furthermore, everyone who's now moaning about Viera and ESR being sold are the same people who were calling for their sale not so long ago. They weren't good enough then, and they wouldn't be good enough now. People panicking like this is just silly, we're 3 games in and anything can still happen.
You dont have to get someone that is better though, Man City have left themselves short in the ST position, do you really think they are going to find some better? We just need someone that can come in a perform, I like the look of Ethan Nwaneri but he has 2 first team appearances, can you rely on him to play Tottenham, Atalanta and Man City in 1 week? I was for selling Eddie, ESR, Viera... but to not replace them doesn't help Arsenal in anyway, except having money in the bank.
@craigwright1867 do you think Nwaneri is ready to play a crucial champions league game? Start a game away at Tottenham or mancity ? Merino was bought to go into that 'xhaka role', which we didn't replace when xhaka left and now we got rid of ESR (good transfer fee) were short...
What annoys me about this international break is no one watches them anyway, we've just had a summer International tournament, we dont need another. We all know it's only done because UEFA are trying to make as much money as possible, it's not fulfilling a need for the fans. It's like me going KFC and ordering 10 piece chicken meal at 5pm, then at 9pm going back to order a chicken fillet burger.....its not needed. It's made worse seeing some players pull out too yet we dont do the same, doesnt seem fair.
I promise you - Norwegians were watching the game, as Nation's League is our best shot of qulifying for the World Cup. Not sure where you're from, but probably a nation who usually qualifies. In that case, I see why you would view these matches as "glorified friendlies". But to the nations in Pot B, C and D, they are not.
Tom just doesn't get it We are not saying we want Viera here, we wanted them to get someone else on loan. Why are we getting rid of players without proper alternatives
@@TheGoonerTalkTV absolutely hate this argument 'who would you have signed', I can guarantee you weren't calling for Arsenal to sign Gabriel, Saliba, Ben White, Havertz, Martinelli etc before we were linked, you probably hadn't heard of half of them... they have the best scouting networks out there, they can find someone just like they did with alot of out squad
@@TheGoonerTalkTV Lazy response, so are you telling me the club couldn't find a backup to Odegaard better and more ready to play numerous premier league games to help us achieve the title than Nwaneri? Or are you saying we can't do better? We needed a replacement for Ramsdale, and on deadline day we got Neto in (who is experienced and can do a job) Arsenal have great scouting networks they can find great players, just because some people don't know a suitable back up of the top of there head does not make there point void. You don't have the experience of running a football club does that mean you can't have an opinion on the owner? You've never played the game at a professional level does that mean you can't have an opinion ?
@@TheGoonerTalkTV this is true but he’d got a knock against Brighton were he was hobbled.he knows we’re without Rice and it’s spurs next. Please don’t play both meaningless friendlies. It’s like you said. Our club just doesn’t pull our players an we’re gonna pay for it
Loved the show, from start to finish, which isn’t always the case lol Well said Tom 🫡 It’s so weird how some supporters choose to support their club.. I mean I get coping mechanisms but my goodness when are you going to show your love and faith in your club? And F fifa and their endless intl tournaments! 🤍❤️
Unfortunately the problem is club football and it's expanding calendar and there is no pushback on that so they push back on international football whose windows have been like this for a long time club football is the one that has changed. Also we have a world cup in under 2 years when other confederations have their WC qualifying other countries have their friendlies I understood the concept of the nations league however there needs to be some tweaking like a player plays one game and is then a substitute in the next game depending on the opponent but these national coaches aren't inclined to work with the clubs I remember the time diaby came back in 2012 and Wenger didn't want him to be called up Deschamps basically insulted arsene and played diaby two 90 min games and he came back and got injured.
He should have stayed home and he’s a fool if he insisted on going IF Arteta and AFC advised against his inclusion. Norway’s coach obviously couldn’t give AF about the player either
I think we sometimes forget that the players WANT to be out there representing their counties.. Unfortunately.
Exactly
Yes agree. This was OK however a while back when the international breaks were not as plentiful as now with these money making tournaments
We sometimes forget that FIFA keeps piling up games, competitions to make more money and get enormous TV rights disregarding players health.
Nation League, Conference league .....on top of League, Champions league, FA cup, Carabao cup, World cup ( in winter too sometimes by 40 degrees centigrade), European cup etc....
@@jojolouis also true
The club needs to be transparent and communicate their red line with their players, it's give and take and right now the national teams are just taking and not giving
Hi Tom,
I think the problem you have with the international break is similar to the problems most Germans, and Spaniards and Brazilians have with it. It is an attitude of someone from a country that (almost) always qualifies for big tournaments. It turns the international fixtures into something that is routine, almost boring, or even worse, a chore. You yourself have repeatedly said that you don't care for international football outside of big tournaments.
"of course were going to qualify for the next world cup, we should be using these matches to experiment with youth. Don.t play the players we already know about!"
This all changes when you, either player or fan, come from a country that rarely qualifies, and generally struggles to do so even when we manage it. We often have much smaller pools of players and do not have the luxury to mess about, even against the so called minnows. Every game, even the nations league, or whatever its called, is considered a competitive fixture, and helps our co-efficient for the next draw. We HAVE to take every one seriously. you have to recognise that always being in Pot one for these things is rarified air. We can but dream.
Put it like this The male model doesn't get that excited when he has a date with a good looking woman at the weekend, but to the awkward nerdy guy it means the world to him that she even said yes. In this metaphor, and ONLY in this metaphor, you're the male model. It means so much more to us.
We can sit here and explain and justify and it is all correct and reasonable. Yet you can only choose one, either Arsenal or your country, I'm asking you to reject that beautiful woman for your ideal match here, so what is it then?
@@Andy5682fly That's such an ignorant claim. He didn't have to choose one or the other - the injury was due to a fair duel and unfortunate landing. Ødegaard wasn't struggling before or during the game against Kasakhstan or against Austria. The fact that he went off against Brighton, has nothing to do with this. Besides, players play with small knocks all the time - just ask Saka.
@@thomassvanesndergaard4379 You make choices, that's part of life and you live with it's consequences. Playing for Norway increased the risk of him getting injured and it is a consequence of that choice. There is no ignorance whatsoever here, it's just facts. I'd rather he gets injured playing for our team than for Norway or any other country for any of our players.
@@Andy5682fly You're basically questioning players loyalty to their employer. And you're pretty naive and ignorant of how human beings work if you think the people should sacrifice as much as possible to their employer and as little as possible to their country.
@@thomassvanesndergaard4379 No I'm not naive or ignorant in fact, I'm very well aware of what players want, I'm not even referring to players here as I haven't mentioned it previously, so I'm not sure why you're bringing the player into the argument. I'm referring to the fans position when it comes to players representing their respective countries and football club, so please stick to the topic at hand. It probably is ignorant of you to presume other people are naive and ignorant, not only this you have taken the players side and have not looked at the broader context which is that many parties are involved and affected when a player gets injured on international duty. The danger of a minnow country in football such as Norway for Odegaard playing for them is that they will be inclined to use them despite him suffering an injury just a few days prior.
The sensible thing to do here would be to err on the side of caution, and in this sense protect him. It makes no sense sending him to the national team at a crucial juncture in our season with the player not in his prime condition, and please spare me the Saka comparison you made earlier. It is a joke to presume and compare two injuries of a different nature and stature here, even if he's carrying only a slight injury, your body will still need to adjust to compensate for it and it increases the risk of further injury in the process.
I have always thought that we did poorly in this transfer window. We are looking to compete for at least 3 cups and we don't have the adequate squad depth. I knew this would happen and I can say we really need two or three player by January, because you'll observe that our key players don't seem to pull out of these tournaments.
Can't agree more 😮🤨😐
Couldn't agree less. You can't acount for evey possible or impossible eventuallty. You can't cover for everything ( simply impossible)
Your take on Ødegaard and the Norwegain national side is way off the mark.
Ødegaard wanted to play, as he wants to see Norway qualify for a big tournament. The concensus is that the side has been underperforming for years, and Norway's barely missed out on the last two qulifiers. Ødegaard has stated, on a lot of occasions, that he takes a lot of pride in being the captain of Norway.
Solbakken is under no preasure to play Ødegaard. He has announced that he's leaving the job after the next WC qualifiers. Plus, few people expected Norway to win against Austria yesterday. He didn't start Nusa (a really important player, seeing as Bobb is injured), because he was worried about his fitness levels. Ødegaard playing, then has to be a joint decision. And btw, Solbakken usually answers very dryly to questions from the media, so I would take his "Arteta will be unhappy" with a grain of salt.
The injury was a complete fluke. It was no malice in the duel, and Ødegaard landed awkwardly. It had nothing to do with his injury against Brighton.
Ødegaard is crucial to Norway's team - Palmer, G. Martinelli and G. Jesus aren't to their national sides.
For the English, I see why Nation's League is a silly concept. But as a smaller nation, it might be out only chance of qualifying for a major tournament.
This was a meaningless friendly and has absolutely nothing to do with World Cup qualifiers.
That is not the point though . It's insane to have international friendly three games into the new season.
@@jeffreyAdewaleIge Why? When are they supposed to fit it in, then?
Arsenal needed a Midfielder, St and a winger before selling anyone. So Eddie, ESR and Viera and Nelson regardless of how much you rate them leaves us short, Arteta himself said we were short.
The problem we have is next season when Jorginho and Partey more than likely move on we will need 2 midfielders a ST a winger because Sterling is a loan, a GK because that was a loan... to get the quality we need in them positions were going to need a £200m+ spend which will not happen.
We cant be relying on a January transfer window, we know how tight it is with man city without dropping point we could be out the race by January worse case
Whilst it’s frustrating to lose players, millions of people around the world have star players in their nation they don’t often get to see play (eg Norway). It’s important to be mindful of those fans when expressing our frustrations. Truth is we thinned the squad in positions this summer & are a few injuries away from pure vulnerability
The problem is Not getting rid of players it's not replacing them surely you can see that
Maybe we should have signed a backup for merino as well
@@neducationalmusic4738so according to you, a midfield roster of : Odegaard(with no real replacement), Partey, Jorginho (2 players with barely any legs), Merino(an unproven ageing player), Rice and Nwaneri are enough to challenge city? Maybe we should’ve replaced Fabio, and brought in a proper L8 last summer instead of Kai who’s a striker? We also sold ESR as though we’ve got a market of players to choose from. Last season’s lack of injury luck made everyone complacent I think, from what is usually Arsenals dismal luck. Did you see the drop off against Brighton when Odegaard got knocked?
@@neducationalmusic4738yup and kept one of ESR /Fabio
@@NakulKrishna I stopped at "merino,an aging unproven player" just proves how utterly clueless you are. Have a good day
@@neducationalmusic4738who is of the quality to willingly come in to back up lol this ain't fifa my guy players want minutes
We still have a good squad with Jorghino, Timber, Zelensky, and Kwior. Trossard/Martinelli can reshuffle, Havertz can drop deeper, and there may be a cameo opportunity for Nwaneri or Lewis-Skelly.
Oh, and I forgot Sterling...
Hey Tom, I just read your interview with VG. Very well said.
Thanks mate
I am frustrated with Arteta who continues to under-rotate. Through their first two matches. Arsenal scored 4 and conceded 0. In those matches, Arteta used just 6 of 10 available subs. Arteta could have given Nwaneri a couple of cameos to get his feet wet at 8. You can’t predict injuries and definitely not a cluster of injuries/unavailability but you can prepare for it. Arteta has to improve at trusting his bench. 6 of 10 subs is unacceptable. Love Arteta but this is an area he needs to improve.
If we got Memphis Depay he could have started at front and Kai as 10 behind him... But well idk but we did feel there could be a depth problem... I guess Trossard will lead the line and Sterling from the bench either in place for Martinelli or Saka and Kai 10 rotating with Trossard...
No the Fabio vieira thing is not hypocritical. The FACT is if you let him go then get the right back up. So now the pressure is on Nwaneri
It’s so hypocritical
Any minutes Vieira would have got this season, I’d rather Nwaneri got
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I get that but that’s not planning ahead for a major injury to a player who’s arguably the most important player in the team. Giving Ethan minutes instead of Vieira is one thing. Not having adequate back up for Odegaard is another.
@@soldierzn2340 Merino, Havertz, Trossard are all ahead of Nwaneri it should be pointed out.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV of course. I just don’t like it when we change things up. It never works to plan and we don’t look well oiled.
PTSD I guess. Not looking forward to the next two weeks I can tell you that…
@@TheGoonerTalkTV This is not right, Tom. Fans criticise Jorginho, Maghalaes, Martinelli, Jesus, Zino. Does that mean we sell/loan them without getting adequate backup? The issue is not of loaning Vieira or selling ESR. Its about getting a quality back-up who can step in to the creative midfield role. How are you saying that we rely on Nwaneri who has not played any minute at the highest level for over a season? He is still only 17. Atleast Vieira for all the criticism, has minutes and the experience to deal with match conditions at the highest level. In a season where we are vying for the title, we cannot just say that Nwaneri is enough. He is the kid you bring to show-off in the 80th minute when we are 3-0 up, to get him some minutes, to show the crowd his skills. Not a back-up for Odegaard!
The Freak injuries we have had is unfortunate two players injured one in training and one for international duty horrible luck
Well said Tom. We deal with the cards we are dealt and fight to the end. COYG.
Thanks Tom, the voice of reason. I feel better about it all than I did last night when the news broke. We got this!! #COYG
Tbh, I'm more angry about the unnecessary way this injury has happened than I am worried about being able to pick a midfield for spurs. We still have a number of decent options and combinations we can choose from, and we can predict how spurs will likely play and where they will be vulnerable - Postecoglu pretty much always does the same thing. We might not have our first choice midfielders available, but we might be able to tactic our way out of this to a certain extent by tailoring our selections to fit the game? All things being equal I'd still far rather have Rice, Ødegaard and Merino available, but there's things we can work with here.
I think if Vieira was here then he would feature. He has barely played in his preferred position as Odegaard has always played but I do also see the argument for him going out on loan. I think Mikel was looking to rotate Odegaard with Nwaneri in less important matches further on. This is totally unexpected.
Hi Tom, thx for the content. 100% agree with you. I have said many times that we have needed a backup/different solution if MO8 is out, even when FV and ESR were here. Just felt we lacked that kind of a player to step in to give him a rest and also to play the "lesser" games. However this is just plain bad luck again with injuries for The Arsenal. And "they" say we don't get injuries, I'm sure ETH will be happy! We have replacements for every player on the pitch and what they bring to the team to an extent,....except MO8. This has been the case since he joined permanently. Feel we should (and will) play dbl pivot with more a focus on counter, minus the mercurial MO8, and use the pace on the wings. This is where I believe MA needs to learn to be more savvy like more weathered managers and withdraw players for the betterment of the club. It will come as he is a very intelligent guy, just a little but wet in regards to this sort of situ. Our defence is solid, however our playmaking abilities have been clipped. I still feel very confident and expect a few BW screamers lol. Up The Arse
I'm curious n excited at the same time to see how Arteta n players will react to this. Playing double pivot with either Havertz orTrossard as CM and Jesus or Havertz as #9. Lets go gunners!!!
Yeah, Tom! I hate the International Breaks too!!!
Tom I fear Merino could be out till end of year with fractured shoulder and now Odegard with possible torn ankle ligaments or even worse. Add Tomiyasu & Jesus. Not the start of season we both envisaged. Depressing m8
For Norway, it isn't meaningless as there's a chance to qualify for something, isn't it? For us, these breaks are infuriating as it is a threat to our players' fitness. He shouldn't have played, but the Norway coach doesn't care about the Arsenal, it's the og gard at fault too, agreeing to play. Someone has the opportunity to step up, and a certain youngun vs. spurs could be the growth spurt of a monster. I totally agree with the international break and timing of it. It's bloody typical! We have enough as they're so interchangeable up top, but we'll have to adapt now. Hopefully, scans go well. I don't know if any news has come out yet. My fingers crossed 🤞
We all want to be lineup experts with our starting midfield out but I would be curious to see saka in the right 8 for a run of games in this scenario. He still gives you that high energy engine going forward and tracking back. Still have the option of sterling and Jesus(if healthy) on the right wing. Maybe I’m just not feeling comfortable with partey and Jorginho in midfield 😂
Fans were raging for a striker hole summer. Odegaard injury doesn't relate at all, so it's crazy why fans are demanding Odegaard backup. You can't expect any club spend 150-200M every summer and not come to situation where PSR rules come closer at your doors.
Arsenal still have enough quality to win the NLD Arteta needs to get his selection and tactics spot on though.
"There's going to be condescension"...and rightly so. Pointless International break.
Condensation? 😜
WHAT drives me insane is the fact player pullout of international due for little to no reason. Yet White's treatment for refusing to play for England due to mistreatment by the England management team is shocking. Case in point, Palmer being back in training already
Always late to the conversation, listening from the USA. The EPL should change the seeding of fixtures around the international break. The matches before and after breaks for international play and Champions League for top ranked teams should be against bottom ranked teams. Of course there would be better ways of doing it for the international break, like factoring in the number of players on international teams, but this way is pretty cut and dry, and fair.
Unfortunately the problem is club football and it's expanding calendar and there is no pushback on that so they push back on international football whose windows have been like this for a long time club football is the one that has changed. Also we have a world cup in under 2 years when other confederations have their WC qualifying other countries have their friendlies I understood the concept of the nations league however there needs to be some tweaking like a player plays one game and is then a substitute in the next game depending on the opponent but these national coaches aren't inclined to work with the clubs I remember the time diaby came back in 2012 and Wenger didn't want him to be called up Deschamps basically insulted arsene and played diaby two 90 min games and he came back and got injured.
My recommended team for the NLD
Sterling Jesus Saka
Haverts Trossard
Jorginho
Timber Magalhaes Saliba White
Raya
If Jesus is fit, I would like to see Martinelli start again. Plays great alongside Jesus with their link-up and getting behind the space Jesus leaves when coming back. Also helps more defensively than Trossard.
For me i’m not blaming the international break one bit, not blaming the managers who use their best players selfishly because they want to win games and keep their jobs… i’m blaming the club… 1. we are aware of the schedule albeit very stupid.. we have no back up for key players and we’ve known for a few seasons especially saka and odegaard and we end a transfer window with fans and others saying “it’s a 7 or 8” with people throwing shade that you’re negative when you raise genuine concerns… so that’s what happens take accountability please and don’t blame others
2. The club knew we had knocks to certain players… they shouldn’t be going and we’ve seen stronger clubs and managers pull their players out, cole palmer was pulled out and he’s already training with chelsea posting pics of him blatantly
3. We have to give Nwaneri a chance as if we’ve loaned out Vieira and sold ESR without going for someone like Eze imo, we must trust him so no panics please everyone who’s been backing these decisions.. calma, your manager has Nwaneri so we’ll be good
If we are saying we didn’t need a back up then we shouldn’t panic as we’ve got Nwaneri, I don’t want any excuses, accountability please … we’ll get top 4 this year at best and it’s not said in hindsight, this was my thought soon as the window closed… and fyi happy that vieira and esr were sold just blows my mind how we didn’t go for players who were clearly available… there are loads of games to play so nothing like “back up”, they all share minutes and get used by the manager in games he sees them fit 👍🏾
I've been giving nearly a word for word response on people that have been complaining about Viera not being good enough for 2 years and them now complaining we let him go. I think the reason this is coming up as more of an issue than it is is two fold;
1) Odegaard is the only one in the squad without an absolute like for like replacement
2) we've got 2 other central midfielders injured/suspended at the same time.
So I agree with you Tom, my view is that finding a "back up" for Odegaard is hard as if he's fit he'll play. Therefore, a youngster like Nwaneri is a sensible way of backing him up. But second (and at time of listening it has not been mentioned), if you went to City and took 3 of their starters out in the same area of the pitch they are also weaker (ironically probably with the exception of midfield, but it holds for attack and defence).
Some things in life are bad. They can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle. Don't grumble, give a whistle and this'll help things turn out for the best.
And ..........
Hi Tom I don't always agree with your views but I have to say in this show you are spot on. We sign multi purpose players, I even think Saka can play as a 10 and I believe it could be a period of new discoveries in the coming weeks that may re shape how we think about the team. If Vieira was at the club I still wouldn't pick him . However re international football I think Aresnal need to be far more strident with international managers. We pay their wages
Thanks mate. It’s what opinions are about, being different. (If you can back them up 😜)
I hope they have a plan B in terms of Formation change or replacement from existing squad... And no excuses now, please let's not change the season objectives based on events that we can control but decided not to
When you get 2 injuries back to back in a week, maybe it’s imperative to listen to your body. I understand the fighter mentality but losing your captain for a 1/3 of a season for a nothing game is foolish. Don’t think we’ll be in the title race this season, I think we’ve had enough bad omens already to make that clear.
1st team players should only play international tournaments if they make their respective national squads. These other friendlies should be played the 2nd string players. Not only would that give premier league players the rest they need, but it also gives another pool of players an opportunity to play for their country. Will also limit injuries to Premier league players.
Oh well we still are able to filled 11 players so that’s good
In my opinion one the best solution is simply increasing squads size. 25 players is just too thin considering all the competitions they take part of.
Issue with that is that it doesn’t matter how many players you have only 11 (+5) can play a game
It is very annoying to loose prayers just after 3 games into a new season.
Just put zinny in the midfield problem solve
The one injury we can’t cover… if that’s ligaments we could be looking at the season. Nwaneri is going to get a baptism of fire. We should definitely have kept Viera IMO. And yes agree 100% this break should not exist. We saw the other teams key players pull out, wish our guys did 😢
No team can legislate for when injuries occur, and at the moment, we have been unlucky to have lost Merino and then see Calafiori and Odegaard also pick up injuries compounded bu the dodgy red card for Rice. We can't keep buying top-quality players just in case of these situations, who would not be happy spending long spells on the bench.
My goodness, what a rallying cry at 32 mins. COYG! we can do this! believe people
if it's not the euros or the world cup, who cares? everything else should be for c and d squad players. i hate these stupid breaks.
Arsenal did not strengthen enough in the transfer window. They will reap what they sow.
Who would you have signed?
GOONERTALK the KROENKE apologist at his best.
the problem is Arteta and Arsenal, Arteta is never rotating players thus overplaying players leading to injuries. when Jesus, Partey, Ode, Saka were not fit Arteta and Arsenal always let them go for international duty thus injuries . we need to put our foot down like Fergie, PEP and tell a player he is not fit and cant go for useless international duties
He may put Havertz at 10 with Jesus uptop. Or Saka at 10 and have Sterling on RW
I like the second idea a lot. What makes Saka so good is that he very often makes the right decision. He’s clearly a very intelligent player and in that role, that’s very important.
If it were me, I’d seriously consider trying that. Saka has all the attributes that a very good 10 needs.
@@snaggizhe has actually played there before. And certainly he can with his ability and skill. I hope he does that
@@bandaemmanuel1I believe he’s going to play with two sixes with partey and Jorginho and havertz as a 10 and have trossard play 9 with saka on the right and either sterling or martinelli
Damn....
Thankfully, we have 15 defenders. COYG!!!
Ödegaard is captain of a nation that is doing everything in their power to qualify for the big cups. Ofcourse he’s gonna play. I think most people dont understand how big it is representing your country.
Arsenal should pull rank an say no your not playing. The amount we pay you, look what’s happened now. Basically screwed us for the game against our most hated rival.
If you think we did enough in the window, thats fair! Aslong as you dont use injuries as an excuse why we didnt win the league!
Man city had Haaland injured alot and KDB injured alot last season, but they had Alvarez as back up and they had Foden
Yeah that doesn’t work Liam when the injuries outweigh how many signings you make
@@TheGoonerTalkTV it does work, the Califiori injury is a shame but we've got cover (zinchenko, Kiwior, Timber, Tierney?) Odegaards cover is ethan Nwaneri, that's not an excuse that lack of cover.
@@liamje2585 Mikel Merino not popping up for you? Jesus' injury which means moving Havertz back becomes trickier?
It's all well and good being critical but when the arguments unravel so easily it isn't great.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV that's my point though you would have to move Merino to odegards position and then havertz to Merinos position then bring Jesus in who imo doesn't offer as much as havertz in the ST role to facilitate Odegards absence, when if they had cover for Odegaard Merino plays in his best position Havertz stays in his best position and we bring in the cover, instead of weakening and losing the fluidity of the team
No you’d just move Rice to 6, merino play where he usually does and Havertz to Odegaard’s role.
He should have stayed home and he’s a fool if he insisted on going IF Arteta and AFC advised against his inclusion. Norway’s coach obviously couldn’t give AF about the player
Wild take possibly, but I’d rather have kept ESR and still sold / loaned Vieira.
Hey Tom, why hasn’t Arteta signed a new contract yet? It’s kinda stressing me out
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No need to panic over the injury to Odegaard.
Raheem Sterling will now get more game-time without compromising Martinelli's play-time. Yes Sterling is not a 10 but Arteta (mister versatility) can make him deputize for Martin (as an "INVERTED 10" ha ha ha). Not a like-for-like substitution - but footballers are as unique as fingerprints - with even a blank cheque you wouldn't find an Odegaard "like-for-like" anywhere in the world.
Tom. Vieira is not good enough and I agree with the loan and wish he was sold. I think what most people are having problems with is the fact that we sold players, but we didn't replace them. Anyway, I see it as an opportunity for Arteta show he can rotate and give Nwaneri a run. So there are potential positives here.
But we did? The only player who wasn’t replaced was Nketiah and tbh it’s pretty obvious why.
Well, I don't think ESR and Viera were replaced. Marino is a midfielder we needed and it is just unfortunate he broke his arm. I think the players we sold and the players that we bought were pretty much a wash in incoming and outgoing spending right? So adding a striker and another midfielder would have been nice. We will need 2 mins next year right? Getting Sterling at the last minute was not part of the plan and we were light at wing without that signing. Imagine if he didn't land in our laps? I'm not getting the sense that we were signing a Saka backup. Anyway I see this as an opportunity for Arteta to learn to use the whole squad which I don't think he has done in the past. Nwaneri needs to get minutes!!! Timber can play 8, Kiwior or Cala can play LB and Zinny can play 8/10 but not with Partey/Jorginho. That would be a weak slow midfield. I see opportunities for growth here. Cheers.
Even though I’m telling you that both were and the club’s strategy was designed to replace both with Merino and Nwaneri that’s not enough to say they were replaced?
@@TheGoonerTalkTV fair point if Arteta uses Nwaneri. My biggest criticism of Arteta is that he doesn't use his bench. So let's hope he shows a change in character. I still think, since we will need 2 midfielders next year. Another mid would have been beneficial especially given Parteys recent track record. Although he is 5 on the trot without injury!!!
Time will tell then
If we get a draw at the North London Derby then we are lucky mate
And if we win… fair play the team and Arteta
Cmon bro 😢😊, don't die twice 😂
Draw… Paha!
Fifa and the national sides are never going to change - they're too greedy and there's too much money to be made - so unfortunately it's on the players to wise up and get their priorities straight. Whilst I don't think the club should start throwing its weight around and start blocking anyone from representing their countries - that will just get everyone's backs up and push players towards the exit - I do think we need to sit everyone down and calmly outline the risks and consequences: we have a very competitive squad now in all areas, so anyone who comes back injured from an international they didn't need to be playing is in danger of losing their place in the side, possibly for months, possibly permanently if their replacement really shines. It could have a serious impact on their status at the club, and in the long-run that will also have an impact on their chances of future international call-ups. The choice is theirs, and the risk is theirs.
Jorginho and Partey double pivot against spurs will be enough. Keep calm everyone ,please
To those that said the window was a 7/10 or 8/10 was it really? When everyone said we are too short in midfield one or two injury or suspension away and we are done and Santa clause is early, letting go of ESR and Fabio at the sametime and not replace them is a major failure on top of that you knew merino got injured not back till October and you fighting for the title lol come on
I said I was a 6.5 so guess you can’t be talking about me
@@TheGoonerTalkTV lol fair, jokes aside we left ourselves very short and yea now we are here just have to ride it out
Please Arteta🙏, give BB the armb😅❤
We could have 8 players out, Tommy, Odegaard, Merino, Calafiori, Rice, Tierney with Jesus and Timber not 100%, last time we had so many players out after 3 games we were bottom of the league, but at least this time Arteta wont get hounded out by the haters for the sack
Makes me so angry. For nation league games 🤬
Schedule loading has been the heaviest it's been in maybe the history of modern football the last three years, and along side ultra-condensed fixtures "the powers that be" decided to add extra CL games.
Anyone with half a brain could see there were clearly going to be issues if the same players repeatedly had even more high stress minutes pumped into them.
Excluding the injury risks, at the very least performance levels were/are going to noticeably drop due to exhaustion. Spanish/Middle Eastern preseason camp aside.
So, here we are. Ranting and raving like lunatics.
You spoke of "Arsenal only signing assets" now, you know what destresses these assets Tom?
Arguably more than being in national teams or a history playing elsewhere? Injuries.
When people point out the shortcomings in Edu, other than the clearly bang average negotiating skills, this is it.
Lack of marginal gains.
It could be argued with Edu that there have been some very very obvious poor scouting choices/flaws in logic over his time. As well as easily avoidable poor timing that fans dismiss as "what happens behind closed doors". But this lack of foresight really hurts. Sometimes you want/need a mad scientist rather than a BBQ chef.
My very simple question to anyone that'd listen was what happens if one or more of Saka, Havertz and Odegaard get injured?
Yet to hear a decent answer. Consensus conclusion seemed to be we're cooked. Or, some other gaslighting bullshit.
Oh, the market!? The market!? Look at what City and Liverpool are doing!? Yeah? And? Oh they're our rivals!? Yeah? And?
What about profit and sustainability!?
Yeah, and what about addressing having 22 1/2 players 6+ of whom are injured and none of which are seemingly number 8's?
City have 115 charges and Pep threatening to leave hanging over the top of them. Liverpool have a new manager.
What's Arsenal's new made up barrier to intelligent work going forward?
Seems like Merino's shoulder didn't give way because big gabby fell on him, it gave way due to all the load bearing minutes he was about to endure.
But seriously, Sterling was a last minute "market opportunity" (Milking Chelsea's chaos), imagine where things would stand if we moved out ESR, Fabio, Nelson AND brought in no one.
There's a fine line between reckless and incompetent is my reply, not just regarding this, but in life.
Does anyone really have the appetite to play dice regarding what I said above with four TOTAL central midfielders?
Only a mad man.
But the other kind of mad. The ignorant kind.
To keep the metaphors going, moving out the "dead wood" might take time, but it also means you have huge gaps and no shelter and you're exposed. Literally.
This is exactly why you...
-Develop or sell Marquinhos & Tavares, (or don't buy them in the first place if there's no plan and don't fit how you want to play?)
-Move on one of Kiwior or Zinchenko (or play them).
-Blood your youth players where ever possible in order to get a fee however trivial (even if you don't rate them).
-Don't completely tank your fringe players value (even if you don't see a future with them)
-Spend flexibly rather than with a seemingly rigid year by year philosophy (One big signing, one medium signing then the rest)
-Sign/loan in a cheap utility player to fill gaps. Kadioglu last year would've been my pick as I've stated earlier.
Sure, there's the loaning in or buying of players, but what I'm actually concerned with is the clear lack of understanding or even awareness of the poor job that's been done by not retaining long-term OR not maximizing profit on any/all of Omari Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry or Patino, and that can't be underestimated.
Shit or get off the pot. Our second biggest sale was Nicolas Anelka. Which was almost TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO!
"Driving culture" with "professionals" like Cedric or Elneny might (arguably) benefit squad harmony, but you know what else can boost a squad's mood?
Being able to experiment with a variety of younger players and the freshness of not only rest, but not being easily scouted or locked into playing the same exact style against every opposition for 90 minutes every week.
But it seems Mikel chose to opt for pickpockets. You've stolen your cover! Good clubs plan their squads sustainably and intelligently! That was the real lesson of that David Brent level farce.
If you sell Ramsdale last year, things break differently, if Lokonga goes to say a Palace under Glazner or a Thiago Motta Bologna rather than a Luton, things break differently. Some things are luck and on paper long shots like Tierney in Spain. Then there's dropping players off with a no phone service, an expiring contract to go live in another country and then deciding to go shop in the bargain bins of Chelsea and City, only to be met with "Oh those price tags are wrong, here's the very special price for you, our rivals". It's tedious.
Then on top of that.
This bullshit attitude of "Arsenal are one of the most promising projects in Europe" how about putting that theory into practice and showing it. In a positive way for once.
Calafiori wanted a move, Merino seems iike good business, so credit where it's due.
But...
3/3 starting midfielders are out for Tottenham and 6 1/2 out of 22 players are out at the moment assuming Jesus and Odegaard are injured.
Havertz at 10, Zini at 10, Saka at 10, Nwaneri at 10? it's all a bit desperate and doesn't need to be.
At the same time, It's not too reactionary to say Arsenal are three games in and one Rice or Saka long term injury from the season being over before it begins.
I'm incredibly pissed off.
Hence the rant. Would have got on the call to say as such.
Knowing Mikel I wouldn't be stunned if he moved to a back 5.
This international break has taken out two good players for Arsenal needs to be banned 😡
Havertz / Saka will probably be playing later… it might even get worse
That's what happens when a team trying to overtake man city has the audacity yo spend 20 million NET spend. I said all summer we need cover for Odargard but no one was having it and look now one injured player everyone in melt doen
I have a feeling that Arsenal will win against Tottenham this sunday......
I think I'd try 4-4-2 same back line,partey,jorgy, saka,sterling,and havertz n trossard up front?
This could just as easily happen in training. Should Ødegaard not train? Just rotten luck and discussion about national teams is meaningless
I really don’t understand the fact that you don’t understand people complaining about Vieira, for sure we all see that Vieira wasn’t a the level to fight for the league but again the phrase don’t stop there, if you decide to let those guys leave you have to improve you wanted players that are able to help us fight for the league, you plan your team no one ever said it was easy to find a replacement for odegaard but it’s their job, they had months to think about that, for sure my job is not easy but I find a way to do it, we all know you can’t rely on Ethan, find an alternative, and if it’s that hard the only guy you have a least keep him find a solution before letting him go, but the problem Tom is again fell like you never question the club like they do a thing and you look for all the way to defend it.
I think I explained it pretty clearly tbh.
“Never question the club” you just choose what you want and what you don’t want to hear. And that’s on you.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV there is no explanation needed for me, you can’t say « people who were saying Ciera or ESR are no good enough now complain we let them go » to understand it like that is intentional, you just want to make fun of people or appears smarter I don’t know but you are never trying to understand, even me at the start of the window you ask me ESR or no one, I would chose to keep ESR, it was never just get rid of them so coming now acting like but but you wanted those guys gone, it was just not that quite simple to understand. Than for the rest sorry or not but most of the time almost every time you just go with what the club do, I listen to often almost everyday and yeah almost all the time!!
And I back it up every time with reason. Just because an opinion is different to yours doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
A club who have risen up the table and are now competing for titles despite people like you thinking it not possible under Arteta I bet tend to make far more decisions which are correct to ones that aren’t so it’s not entirely surprising.
If you don’t like how I see things, you don’t need to watch it.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV his is not about different opinion it’s you not understanding what the other are saying, ‘cause if you start your sentence by saying « the one who wanted to sell X or Y not are complaining why we sold X or Y » you already lost me because no one never said that or simply that, you do like journalist does just take a part of a sentence, so after that you can have all the explanations in the world is not I don’t know how to call but from the beginning you did not take what people said so you explanation is a no for me. where did you see me saying it was not possible to compete with arteta?? Please don’t create stupid stuff or narrative thank you ahahaha Jesus you have no idea what I think about arteta so keep your comment for you and stick to the subject (and speaking about arteta pretty sure he is not fully satisfied with the team he said himself before end of mercato the team was thin), and yeah I watch I can find some good info I don’t have the time to see and I will keep doing if I want and say again ‘cause like I said almost everyday, complicated to find a time you say something the club is wrong (almost doesn’t mean never)
Okay mate. We can agree to disagree
The bigger question is, why are we having a stupid international break? 3 games into the season, when we have just had the Euros, FIFA are a joke!
Its not as if we were not aware of this International break. The entire team and the world knew of this before the first pre-season match, yeah? We are cursing the international break now, because of the way it has affected us. But facts remain, we were not prepared for any extremities.
If we can win without him, should get rid, he should be rested not playing in these meaningless games. He'll be out for 3 games what's the use for us. Not very helpful.
The amount of moaning these days from arsenal fans is jarring. It feels like we moan about every single thing. Might as well just forfeit the season the way people are going on
Incredibly defeatist isn’t it
@@TheGoonerTalkTV yeah I can't stand it! It seems worse than ever and we're only 3 games in
Wether representing there country or not its Arsenal that pay their wages & a player already carrying a knock , should not have played , this is now building up into a season defining period , 2 points dropped at home & with 3 games that could wreck Arsenals title challenge , a bloody stupid time to play unnecessary international break a potential 6 points dropped & a dodgy start to the champions league 😡🤬😡
Hey Tom - big fan of the channel. Just wondering whether when you say ‘apathy’ you mean ‘antipathy’? Old teacher of English here, just can’t help myself.
COYG!
No I mean apathy. A real lack of interest in reality of the situation
@@TheGoonerTalkTV - thanks for the reply Tom - I kind of interpreted it like that to begin with, but as you sometimes use it in reference to fans being quite agitated/opinionated it caused me to wonder. Apologies for second guessing you.
Fair enough fella
Tom, I am a little nervous about typing this but I am confused. Let me start by saying I am in agreement with you and so not trolling etc which is what i am nervous about how this coming across but you say you are fed up with people blaming Arsenal and the club have no issue. You say people shouldnt be blaming the club but in your hieracrchy of blame at the start of the video you say Arsenal are in your hierarchy because of not withdrawing players
Context mate. Blame the club for certain things but not others which make little sense to
@@TheGoonerTalkTV thank you for clearing that up. Keep up the good work as well. I rarely make a live show but have been listening daily for 4 years now.
Morning Tom and everyone, this is awful news , potentially derailing the entire season.. gonna see a bit of Nwaneri now that’s for sure.. just got to hope it’s not as bad as it looks
Lads..its Tottenham
I keep reading about how the squad's been left short because of the recent transfer window, anyone who seriously thinks we could have acquired a player to fill in for our skipper is deluded, you simply can't acquire another player with his unique abilities, he's worth in excess of £120m, so you're looking at spending £70-80m for someone to fill in when he's not available, it's not happening. Furthermore, everyone who's now moaning about Viera and ESR being sold are the same people who were calling for their sale not so long ago. They weren't good enough then, and they wouldn't be good enough now. People panicking like this is just silly, we're 3 games in and anything can still happen.
You dont have to get someone that is better though, Man City have left themselves short in the ST position, do you really think they are going to find some better? We just need someone that can come in a perform, I like the look of Ethan Nwaneri but he has 2 first team appearances, can you rely on him to play Tottenham, Atalanta and Man City in 1 week?
I was for selling Eddie, ESR, Viera... but to not replace them doesn't help Arsenal in anyway, except having money in the bank.
@@liamje2585 They bought Merino, and Rice is missing for one game, so Nwaneri would only have to play one match out of the 3 you've mentioned.
@craigwright1867 do you think Nwaneri is ready to play a crucial champions league game? Start a game away at Tottenham or mancity ?
Merino was bought to go into that 'xhaka role', which we didn't replace when xhaka left and now we got rid of ESR (good transfer fee) were short...
😂 He wants to play. Shouldn't be there. 😂
Catch 22
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What annoys me about this international break is no one watches them anyway, we've just had a summer International tournament, we dont need another. We all know it's only done because UEFA are trying to make as much money as possible, it's not fulfilling a need for the fans. It's like me going KFC and ordering 10 piece chicken meal at 5pm, then at 9pm going back to order a chicken fillet burger.....its not needed.
It's made worse seeing some players pull out too yet we dont do the same, doesnt seem fair.
I promise you - Norwegians were watching the game, as Nation's League is our best shot of qulifying for the World Cup. Not sure where you're from, but probably a nation who usually qualifies. In that case, I see why you would view these matches as "glorified friendlies". But to the nations in Pot B, C and D, they are not.
Surely you have back ups? Told he's not reliable. He's heart is not in the club.
Tom, I hear your concerns on starting Nwaneri.. but I think.. START THE KID. He’s ready. It’ll be a massive test no less.
Tom just doesn't get it
We are not saying we want Viera here, we wanted them to get someone else on loan. Why are we getting rid of players without proper alternatives
Who’d you have signed?
Any minutes Vieira would have got, I’d rather Nwaneri got.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV How bad were the terms on that PSG Marco Asensio offer?
That was an option
@@TheGoonerTalkTV absolutely hate this argument 'who would you have signed', I can guarantee you weren't calling for Arsenal to sign Gabriel, Saliba, Ben White, Havertz, Martinelli etc before we were linked, you probably hadn't heard of half of them... they have the best scouting networks out there, they can find someone just like they did with alot of out squad
@@liamje2585 People hate it because they often are stumped by it.
@@TheGoonerTalkTV Lazy response, so are you telling me the club couldn't find a backup to Odegaard better and more ready to play numerous premier league games to help us achieve the title than Nwaneri? Or are you saying we can't do better?
We needed a replacement for Ramsdale, and on deadline day we got Neto in (who is experienced and can do a job)
Arsenal have great scouting networks they can find great players, just because some people don't know a suitable back up of the top of there head does not make there point void. You don't have the experience of running a football club does that mean you can't have an opinion on the owner? You've never played the game at a professional level does that mean you can't have an opinion ?
Odegaard shouldn’t have played. Being captain he should have put the club first. Califiori too
Tbf he is Norway captain too
@@TheGoonerTalkTV this is true but he’d got a knock against Brighton were he was hobbled.he knows we’re without Rice and it’s spurs next. Please don’t play both meaningless friendlies. It’s like you said. Our club just doesn’t pull our players an we’re gonna pay for it
As for this international break, there's only 1 word...Bollocks
Have you seen the ref and var ref we got for the nld, we must have pissed off the football gods!
Loved the show, from start to finish, which isn’t always the case lol
Well said Tom 🫡
It’s so weird how some supporters choose to support their club.. I mean I get coping mechanisms but my goodness when are you going to show your love and faith in your club?
And F fifa and their endless intl tournaments!
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Unfortunately the problem is club football and it's expanding calendar and there is no pushback on that so they push back on international football whose windows have been like this for a long time club football is the one that has changed. Also we have a world cup in under 2 years when other confederations have their WC qualifying other countries have their friendlies I understood the concept of the nations league however there needs to be some tweaking like a player plays one game and is then a substitute in the next game depending on the opponent but these national coaches aren't inclined to work with the clubs I remember the time diaby came back in 2012 and Wenger didn't want him to be called up Deschamps basically insulted arsene and played diaby two 90 min games and he came back and got injured.
He should have stayed home and he’s a fool if he insisted on going IF Arteta and AFC advised against his inclusion. Norway’s coach obviously couldn’t give AF about the player either