4-6 PAC schools in BIG12 is better for both. Not many in middle America watch Utah vs Arizona. But if one of the schools is playing Okla State, you bring in a swatch of fans interested enough to watch a late game. That also allows for a lot of flexibility in the late night slot. With enough schools, an expanded BIG12 (perhaps rebranded) can cover that and also showcase the former PAC schools in primetime slots. It also means there is less one show in town which gives the expanded conference greater leverage (they are not competing against one another for the remaining dollars).
That is not entirely true. UA and ASU have always had a following in Kansas and Texas. Colorado was in the conference for 66 years before Texas drove them away. Both Nebraska and Kansas have close ties with CU. Cannot speak for anyone else, but in the absence of Nebraska, I have noticed quite a similarity between Husker games and games at Rice-Eccles in SLC. Both fanbases are similar. Just because we are in the mid-continent does not mean we do not watch games from other regions.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 ….. but the main point he said was still true.. even as a fan of a team in Kansas I’d be more interested to watch another Big12 team like Oklahoma State play Arizona State than to just watch Arizona State play Oregon State..
I had a manager once who was PROUD of the fact that she didn't understand what the people under her do. That's for the "little people" to work out. I can totally understand how the UC leadership is that ignorant. It's beneath them to understand how sports work.
@@AceofCrazy89 Yeah. Upon further review I thing you are right. Keep the Arizona schools together and bail on Colorado. Getting a foothold in Southern California would be a wise move for the Big 12.
With the news that the new B1G Media Rights deal has an escalator clause built into the deal for if/when new schools are added to the B1G. The deal could end up going from the $7b/$8b up to a near $10 Billion deal. OR, WA, Standford, Cal could all be in the B1G soon. I also saw reports that ESPN is being asked to leave an out clause for those 4 schools if another conference comes calling for them.
Also the reason for UCLA going to the B1G to save some of their Olympic sports is the same reason Maryland joined. Maryland had already cut some sports that I do believe they have been able to bring back because of their move from the ACC to the B1G.
The strength of the SEC isn’t just one or two schools winning. It’s the new Big 8 SEC schools that all win Naties. The parity of the SEC is its strength.
I think it's a no brainer B12 would add Arizona/Colorado to add one school in state they don't have. Other schools that think they'd want two in a state are taking a pretty big gamble by not pushing ahead fast. The mountain schools should go as a block for the safest move, otherwise b12 number crunchers may add up that one school in AZ and Utah is more profitable than two. If I'm one of those four schools I'm getting together and leaving today.
The hot chick/49'er paradigm. Apparently the Big 10 night club door men are trained to recognize uncle Phil's/Nike neon green mini skirts and a metric sh*t ton of fakeup when they try to cut to the front of the line and get 'swooshed' in.
I think BIGTen just wanted to get their media deal worked out first. Funny how fast they got their deal done and how long it’s taking the PAC12 to get their deal done.
I don't think anybody expects that this is the end of expansion. And the fact that the Big Ten has an escalator Clause means they can move at a time of their choosing. But if it was that good to add those schools the Big 10 would have already invited them. If the rumors are true that any of those new schools in the Pac-12 Beyond what's already been grabbed would not get full payouts dude what does that tell you that tells you those schools aren't that valuable and the Big 10 doesn't necessarily have to make that move right now they can wait a little bit to see if they get antsy and perhaps offer them an even lesser deal.
They just don't want Cal, their massive debt and fickle fan base IMHO. I would put money on Oregon, Stanford, Utah and Washington. Utah with reservations because it does not bring much from a media market standpoint, but it does bring a lot in on field performance. Perhaps the Big 10 will be bold and grab those four (All are AAU affiliate schools by the way). This might be enough to entice Notre Dame with their long history playing U$C and $tanford, and their current deal with NBC could possibly be incorporated/enhanced. EDIT - I would love to see Utah get a Big 10 invite just to piss off the arrogant faction of BYU fans. The three remaining Pac12 corner schools (UofA, ASU, Colorado), and most probably Utah as well, should jump ship to the Big12 yesterday. If Utah and Colorado continue to hold out offer San Diego State and Boise State. The Big 12 doesn't seem to be fixated on AAU affiliation so ASU, SDSU and Boise State are probably good to go. The alternative for all those Pac12 schools is most likely the Mountain West once what remains of the Pac12 implodes and ceases to exist as a power 5 conference.
@@kaziu312 that is one of the reasons for why when they talked about doing a pac-12 and Big 12 merger that they didn't really want WSU or Oregon State to be part of their conference.
@@samj7681 I do not seriously think that was it. The West Coast brainier-than-thou attitude drives those of us in the center of the nation absolutely nuts. I think the attitude and the unreasonable belief we have nothing to offer here put an end to it very quickly. We just do not stand for that junk here. We never will.
@@dachshunddadbob6765 ok maybe the big 12 if they decide to expand but they were rejected before a few months ago and that was one reason for why the merger of Big 12 Pac 12 didn't go through. Big 12 didn't want them. But get maybe since things has changed, let see if they get in now
@@lordrayden3045 You’re a broken record. How pathetic that a team like Oregon has got under your skin. You probably wake up in the middle of the night from your Oregon nightmares. It’s ok Princess Rayden. Oregon won’t hurt you anymore. You really are terrified they are going to move to the B1G and continue the ass kicking you’ve received multiple times already.
I'd I'm the Big 12, only take ASU/UA. Let Utah and Colorado go to the MWC. You can always swing back around and pick them up in 2035 after they scooped up Louisville, Pitt, VaTech, and NCST or GaTech.
@@joshdye4893 That was a "fib" only ONE sportswriter heard. Only one. He admits to wanting a TV job. Now, what are the chances of it being true? I live here and nobody has heard anything even remotely like that. My Cousin is a tenured Professor at CU and she just laughed. I work at CU Med and nobody there has heard anything like this. There is a vast disconnect between everyone on the Front Range and this reporter. Odds have been posted that Alumni and fans of the Buffs want a return to the Big 12 at roughly 70-30%.
College conferences are businesses now not regions. The Big12 should welcome AZ ,ASU ,Utah and Colorado and maybe Cal. You can bet all the tea in China that the SEC and the Big10 will soon be after the ACC. The SEC takes 3 teams the Big10 takes 3 to 4 teams. The Big12 picks up the best of the rest. Maybe Pitt VT, NCST and GT and Duke if available. Some business fail others succeed and some just make it.
I would say that politics may have played a part in the PAC’s downfall. I’m not talking right vs. left, but the fact they voted in politicians that allowed these schools to neglect their duties to their athletes and fans. Sure, not playing during the dark times definitely hurt them but they were sinking far before 2020. I hope that as many of those schools can get to a better situation, but it looks as if only a couple will be able to survive as we know them now.
I'm of the opinion that if you let politics affect your decisions at some point it will bite you on the ass. I think the PAC administrators were more worried about politics than finances.
It is possible that other conferences are waiting until PAC 12 schools hit their rock bottom media value to acquire the investment at a low rather than at a near high. The Big 10 or the Big 12 both have an interest in pursuing ND and ACC teams that are not so desperate to move.
BXII goes to 20? UO, UW, SDSU, UA, CU, BSU, Fresno State, Memphis? It will never happen. I like Stanford but I think they and Cal might go to the B1G. I like WSU but they won't get an invite. Or maybe just UO & UW, UA & CU??? Go to 16 and hope to pick up four if/when the ACC opens up.
@@dachshunddadbob6765 No one in the PAC or ACC has interest in the BXII... until things go pear shaped and their other option is the MWC or AAC. Then they're all kinds of interested. 🙂
@@techtiger38 That won't happen, as the Big-12 doesn't have the top teams and media markets to support the required level of viewership. Current Pac-12 media markets are much larger than Big-12 markets, and if the Big-10 swallows the six best teams in the Pac-12 then they could indeed place two teams in the Rose Bowl. It's also possible that the Rose Bowl could wind up as Big-10 vs SEC.
Delusional...did you see that clown show yesterday for the Cal State school board? These guys don't even understand the game. Much less make themselves marketable. I really don't care about realignment anymore. When the SEC poaches the ACC. The Big 12 will get a few good ones. I like our conference.
The Rose Bowl is the biggest reason why UCLA was accepted by the B1G. The venue is owned by the city of Las Angelas. They couldn’t invite just one, that would leave the Rose Bowl in the Pac 12’s control. With both institutions now members of the B1G, they have complete control. I expect you’ll see a Ride Bowl game that features the SEC vs B1G. That is a massive profit that the B1G would receive.
Dudes... "Monty" -yer takes er ignernt. All of this is well planned. You appear to have no understanding in the longstanding relationship between the B1G and the PAC. These are friendly moves. They're just selling you the drama for sport.
I don't think anyone in the Big 12 *wants* CAL unless they are forced to take them. CAL is toxic. TOXIC! They're far more trouble than their worth and now they're in red ink to.
I will say that contributing to Cal’s recent woes was the city of Berkeley’s COVID rules. The city really impacted football in the last two years.
4-6 PAC schools in BIG12 is better for both. Not many in middle America watch Utah vs Arizona. But if one of the schools is playing Okla State, you bring in a swatch of fans interested enough to watch a late game. That also allows for a lot of flexibility in the late night slot. With enough schools, an expanded BIG12 (perhaps rebranded) can cover that and also showcase the former PAC schools in primetime slots. It also means there is less one show in town which gives the expanded conference greater leverage (they are not competing against one another for the remaining dollars).
That is not entirely true. UA and ASU have always had a following in Kansas and Texas. Colorado was in the conference for 66 years before Texas drove them away. Both Nebraska and Kansas have close ties with CU. Cannot speak for anyone else, but in the absence of Nebraska, I have noticed quite a similarity between Husker games and games at Rice-Eccles in SLC. Both fanbases are similar. Just because we are in the mid-continent does not mean we do not watch games from other regions.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 ….. but the main point he said was still true.. even as a fan of a team in Kansas I’d be more interested to watch another Big12 team like Oklahoma State play Arizona State than to just watch Arizona State play Oregon State..
I had a manager once who was PROUD of the fact that she didn't understand what the people under her do. That's for the "little people" to work out. I can totally understand how the UC leadership is that ignorant. It's beneath them to understand how sports work.
I think you have a point there
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The Utes are headed to the Mountain West Conference….AGAIN! Absolutely Hilarious 😂
Time for Arizona ASU Utah and Colorado to make the move to the BIG 12.
Id swap one of the 'zona schools or colorado for SDSU
@@AceofCrazy89 Yeah. Upon further review I thing you are right. Keep the Arizona schools together and bail on Colorado. Getting a foothold in Southern California would be a wise move for the Big 12.
With the news that the new B1G Media Rights deal has an escalator clause built into the deal for if/when new schools are added to the B1G. The deal could end up going from the $7b/$8b up to a near $10 Billion deal. OR, WA, Standford, Cal could all be in the B1G soon. I also saw reports that ESPN is being asked to leave an out clause for those 4 schools if another conference comes calling for them.
Also the reason for UCLA going to the B1G to save some of their Olympic sports is the same reason Maryland joined. Maryland had already cut some sports that I do believe they have been able to bring back because of their move from the ACC to the B1G.
Maybe the PAC can convince Long Beach St to start back up their football program and take USC & UCLA place in the LA Market
The strength of the SEC isn’t just one or two schools winning. It’s the new Big 8 SEC schools that all win Naties. The parity of the SEC is its strength.
I can see the Big 12 getting a few Pac 12 schools. I don't know about the California schools, maybe the MWC...
Any PAC school that doesn’t immediately apply to the big 12 (if they haven’t) need to do it by the end of business today
Don’t be the last one left
I think it's a no brainer B12 would add Arizona/Colorado to add one school in state they don't have. Other schools that think they'd want two in a state are taking a pretty big gamble by not pushing ahead fast. The mountain schools should go as a block for the safest move, otherwise b12 number crunchers may add up that one school in AZ and Utah is more profitable than two. If I'm one of those four schools I'm getting together and leaving today.
Everyone, listen here. Princess Rayden has spoken!!! Apply now before it’s toooooo late!
You tell ‘em Princess, you bad little piglet you!!!
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Oregon tried to invite themselves to the big 10 already.
The hot chick/49'er paradigm.
Apparently the Big 10 night club door men are trained to recognize uncle Phil's/Nike neon green mini skirts and a metric sh*t ton of fakeup when they try to cut to the front of the line and get 'swooshed' in.
I think BIGTen just wanted to get their media deal worked out first.
Funny how fast they got their deal done and how long it’s taking the PAC12 to get their deal done.
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Well played sir,,…..
Well played
@@lordrayden3045 Thank you kind sir.
Go woke Go broke.
Hey look
It’s this stupid comment
Enough MAGA for a day.
I don't think anybody expects that this is the end of expansion. And the fact that the Big Ten has an escalator Clause means they can move at a time of their choosing. But if it was that good to add those schools the Big 10 would have already invited them. If the rumors are true that any of those new schools in the Pac-12 Beyond what's already been grabbed would not get full payouts dude what does that tell you that tells you those schools aren't that valuable and the Big 10 doesn't necessarily have to make that move right now they can wait a little bit to see if they get antsy and perhaps offer them an even lesser deal.
They just don't want Cal, their massive debt and fickle fan base IMHO. I would put money on Oregon, Stanford, Utah and Washington. Utah with reservations because it does not bring much from a media market standpoint, but it does bring a lot in on field performance. Perhaps the Big 10 will be bold and grab those four (All are AAU affiliate schools by the way). This might be enough to entice Notre Dame with their long history playing U$C and $tanford, and their current deal with NBC could possibly be incorporated/enhanced. EDIT - I would love to see Utah get a Big 10 invite just to piss off the arrogant faction of BYU fans.
The three remaining Pac12 corner schools (UofA, ASU, Colorado), and most probably Utah as well, should jump ship to the Big12 yesterday. If Utah and Colorado continue to hold out offer San Diego State and Boise State. The Big 12 doesn't seem to be fixated on AAU affiliation so ASU, SDSU and Boise State are probably good to go.
The alternative for all those Pac12 schools is most likely the Mountain West once what remains of the Pac12 implodes and ceases to exist as a power 5 conference.
Washington St and Oregon State start applying to the Mountain West. Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State and possibly Utah to Big 12.
Really? I actually think the Beavers and the Cougars would be a good fit for that conference.
@@kaziu312 that is one of the reasons for why when they talked about doing a pac-12 and Big 12 merger that they didn't really want WSU or Oregon State to be part of their conference.
@@samj7681 I do not seriously think that was it. The West Coast brainier-than-thou attitude drives those of us in the center of the nation absolutely nuts. I think the attitude and the unreasonable belief we have nothing to offer here put an end to it very quickly. We just do not stand for that junk here. We never will.
The Cougs and Beavs won't be in the Mountain West, but nice try!
@@dachshunddadbob6765 ok maybe the big 12 if they decide to expand but they were rejected before a few months ago and that was one reason for why the merger of Big 12 Pac 12 didn't go through. Big 12 didn't want them. But get maybe since things has changed, let see if they get in now
Cal-Berkely has a 6.8 Billion endowment. They have no money problems.
Who will be the first PAC12 school to jump to the BIG12? Once the first one jumps, the dam breaks and others will follow.
Utah
Arizona
I'm hearing Arizona has been real interested.
@@joshdye4893 Both Arizona and Arizona State have been asking about Big 12 membership for almost 3 years now.
100M B10 vs 30M P12 (Best case). Buh bye Oregon & Washington. Time to pull the plug.
Oregon already tried to invite themselves to the big 10
@@lordrayden3045
You’re a broken record. How pathetic that a team like Oregon has got under your skin. You probably wake up in the middle of the night from your Oregon nightmares. It’s ok Princess Rayden. Oregon won’t hurt you anymore. You really are terrified they are going to move to the B1G and continue the ass kicking you’ve received multiple times already.
I'd I'm the Big 12, only take ASU/UA. Let Utah and Colorado go to the MWC. You can always swing back around and pick them up in 2035 after they scooped up Louisville, Pitt, VaTech, and NCST or GaTech.
LOL
Ok sure
@@joshdye4893 Colorado will end up back in the Big 12. We won't let them become a MWC school. They were part of us for too many years.
@@joshdye4893 That was a "fib" only ONE sportswriter heard. Only one. He admits to wanting a TV job. Now, what are the chances of it being true? I live here and nobody has heard anything even remotely like that. My Cousin is a tenured Professor at CU and she just laughed. I work at CU Med and nobody there has heard anything like this. There is a vast disconnect between everyone on the Front Range and this reporter. Odds have been posted that Alumni and fans of the Buffs want a return to the Big 12 at roughly 70-30%.
SDSU to the BIG12
Big Ten sources saying they are not done expanding today with new media deal. It's over.
Somehow, I knew Warren was not telling the truth. I knew he would take more PAC affiliates if he could.
That ended today 8/19/22. You should never trust anyone trying to eat your conference.
How bad is it at UCLA? They have to pay rent to use Pauley Pavilion on its own campus.
To emphasize your point
The big 10 is a research institution conference…… they seem to be just fine
The AAU gives its members a lot of research money.
College conferences are businesses now not regions. The Big12 should welcome AZ ,ASU ,Utah and Colorado and maybe Cal. You can bet all the tea in China that the SEC and the Big10 will soon be after the ACC. The SEC takes 3 teams the Big10 takes 3 to 4 teams. The Big12 picks up the best of the rest. Maybe Pitt VT, NCST and GT and Duke if available. Some business fail others succeed and some just make it.
Believe the long-term goal is to offer membership to the 4 Mountain Universities plus Louisville and Pitt, with Memphis as a possible.
I would say that politics may have played a part in the PAC’s downfall. I’m not talking right vs. left, but the fact they voted in politicians that allowed these schools to neglect their duties to their athletes and fans. Sure, not playing during the dark times definitely hurt them but they were sinking far before 2020. I hope that as many of those schools can get to a better situation, but it looks as if only a couple will be able to survive as we know them now.
Having my Master's from UCLA, this is sad news.
I'm of the opinion that if you let politics affect your decisions at some point it will bite you on the ass.
I think the PAC administrators were more worried about politics than finances.
Fat Brad Pitt nailed it, listening from NJ.
It is possible that other conferences are waiting until PAC 12 schools hit their rock bottom media value to acquire the investment at a low rather than at a near high. The Big 10 or the Big 12 both have an interest in pursuing ND and ACC teams that are not so desperate to move.
Depends on what you mean by "Not so desperate". Pitt and Louisville have always been odd ducks in the ACC.
You can’t gauge SOS at the beginning of the season
PAC will get $350 mil/ yr. $35 mil per school. Done deal.
I just saw a video that said big 12 is done for.
BXII goes to 20?
UO, UW, SDSU, UA, CU, BSU, Fresno State, Memphis? It will never happen. I like Stanford but I think they and Cal might go to the B1G. I like WSU but they won't get an invite.
Or maybe just UO & UW, UA & CU??? Go to 16 and hope to pick up four if/when the ACC opens up.
The Cougs have no interest in the Big 12.
@@dachshunddadbob6765 No one in the PAC or ACC has interest in the BXII... until things go pear shaped and their other option is the MWC or AAC. Then they're all kinds of interested. 🙂
This is all beef up hype. UCLA was about broke. All the Pac 12 and Mountain West Combine .
And have all the PAC demoted to G5? That's a solution for sure.
The future does not look very bright in the PAC.
Monty the sexiest podcaster out there lol 😂 jake is okay.
Kaboom 💥
So if and when the PAC 12 dies, what happens to the Rose Bowl? Usually they have a member of the pac 12 vs big 10. Great show!
I’m thinking that’ll just be the new big ten championship venue or something like that.
The Big 12 gets it
@@techtiger38 That won't happen, as the Big-12 doesn't have the top teams and media markets to support the required level of viewership. Current Pac-12 media markets are much larger than Big-12 markets, and if the Big-10 swallows the six best teams in the Pac-12 then they could indeed place two teams in the Rose Bowl. It's also possible that the Rose Bowl could wind up as Big-10 vs SEC.
Delusional...did you see that clown show yesterday for the Cal State school board? These guys don't even understand the game. Much less make themselves marketable. I really don't care about realignment anymore. When the SEC poaches the ACC. The Big 12 will get a few good ones. I like our conference.
The Rose Bowl is the biggest reason why UCLA was accepted by the B1G. The venue is owned by the city of Las Angelas. They couldn’t invite just one, that would leave the Rose Bowl in the Pac 12’s control. With both institutions now members of the B1G, they have complete control. I expect you’ll see a Ride Bowl game that features the SEC vs B1G. That is a massive profit that the B1G would receive.
Dudes... "Monty" -yer takes er ignernt.
All of this is well planned. You appear to have no understanding in the longstanding relationship between the B1G and the PAC. These are friendly moves. They're just selling you the drama for sport.
All your long spam posts have been totally wrong and they have no idea what they're talking about. Lack of self awareness much?
Wrong? Where? Nowhere. Wait for it.
Secret Agent. Lol
The PAC is dead. Really think certain teams are certain to move to the Big 12 now
I dont even care let them all go broke!!!
Remember all the stupid people saying how newsome was going to make UCLA stay?
Troll away princess
And see how that worked out.
Hahahahaha Alexa
S.C. bailed for B1G bux $$
They were smart to do that. Hopefully Cal stays on west coast.
Good for them
Monty you’re probably not good looking😂
PAC 12, the Woke is for Losers Conference..lol
Hey look
It’s this stupid comment
$500 million / year?
Ok sure
So, is CAL coming to Big 12 then, for more money ?
I don't think anyone in the Big 12 *wants* CAL unless they are forced to take them. CAL is toxic. TOXIC! They're far more trouble than their worth and now they're in red ink to.
Cal would never be welcomed to the Big 12
Both are in similarly poor spots
@@techtiger38 They might. Never predict future trendlines.
@@_________. We are not in a poor spot. We have the luxury of time.
good work guys, hit me up if you want to talk about Big 12 stuff