00:00 - LIVE STARTS 02:49 - INTRO 07:23 - Manchester City 2-2 Arsenal 16:58 - Riccardo Calafiori SCREAMER! 25:12 - Should Trossard have been sent off? 29:00 - The inconsistency of referees 40:07 - Different game if Trossard doesn't see red? 47:30 - West Ham 0-3 Chelsea 57:53 - Liverpool 3-0 Bournemouth 1:04:45 - Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United 1:11:03 - Tottenham 3-1 Brentford 1:14:50 - Aston Villa 3-1 Wolves 1:17:15 - OUTRO
Being an Arsenal fan I calmed down massively. I can see how you can have the opinion the sending off was correct, I still feel its harsh and the exact same ref didn`t do it last year ... so the game heated uo between the two teams. What I really don`t understand is which ref is appointed to which game. If Anthony Taylor -for whatever reason- makes more mistakes in chelsea games than stop applying him there. This isn`t even strange, its the same with players : if a player doesn`t work against a specific opposition he doesn`t play, Mudryk, Zinchenko, Richarlison, Alvarez etc Same thing with Michael Oliver: he was on VAR for the penalty City vs United (lets call it questionable) , The offside goal City vs Fulham, Liverpool vs City (Doku vs McAllister) , Arsenal City (Kovacic) ...why appoint him for this game? He seems to make especially errors in these games. But probably the problem lies also in the fact that the PGMOL have all the power: If Managers or players critique refs they get fined, in the same time the PGMOL comes out and always defend themselves and come up with whatever idea they have for new rules ... when did this kind of unbalanced power ever work?
I’m convinced Trossard would’ve been sent off regardless of if he kicked the ball away a millisecond after the whistle was blown or not. Oliver had that card out of his pocket so damn quick.
Arsenal have Michael Oliver Chelsea have Anthony Taylor Liverpool have Paul Tierney There might be others but that is 3 examples of referees that consistantly are bad against a specific team.
As long as I never hear Harry complain about a team parking the bus against them, I will take his point that you can play however you like. But he should never talk about teams parking the bus or low blocks against his team in future.
I will never forget his reaction to the 0-0 draw against Newcastle at the Emirates in January last year. It was all about how teams should play a certain way just because Newcastle didn’t set up how he liked it.
I mean, Doku and Silva both kicked the ball away delaying a restart in the same half and neither got a yellow.. At the time of the incident the VAR team were discussing a ‘reckless challenge’, no mention of delaying a restart.
@@Michael-ok2ij I don’t, they’ve taken this rule to such extreme that any touch of the ball after a whistle has gone is penalized (but also sometimes ignored??). It’s supposed to stop time wasting or obstructing a quick restart. None of those 3 incidents did that at all really and if Trossard wasn’t sent off then we wouldn’t be talking about any of the 3 incidents because nobody would’ve even noticed.
This just feels like an Arsenal coping sesh. They needed to kill off city and show the world it’s their time but they failed again lol city just didn’t need to lose, they know what to do to become champions
Harry is turning into Eric Ten Hag, bringing up ref decisions from past games. How many more times are we gonna be hearing about that Declan Rice incident 😂😂.
Re scott’s comment about fans talking about style of play. It all comes back to brighton sacking houghton imo. At the time everyone were slagging off brighton as they wanted a better style of play and it worked out for them. The likes of west ham have tried to replicate it and it’s backfired
Harry not totally wrong but a bit unhinged here. Rice gets a second yellow for kicking the ball away? Arteta, in the pre-match: "I think we should really kick the ball.away
Just occurred to me... if Oliver HAD yellowed Doku and Silva for kicking the ball away, Trossard would have had to have been an imbecile to launch the ball because a precedent was already set. THIS is the actual eff up of Prem refs like Oliver. Again it begs the question WHY ping Ars and NOT Citeh???
Instead of fans all agreeing that VAR and the refs continue to screw our teams over again and again you all choose to complain when it happens to you and mock others when it happens to them. As a result the rule changes, the quality of refereeing gets worse and worse each season. Congrats everyone!
Oliver used to be such a decent ref but I noticed a big change in his competence last season...someone with a lot of cash & a pet camel must've "got to him!"
Gibbs White was sent off because he was told by the 4th official it’s a dangerous tackle which is allowed. Mind you Anthony Taylor loves to be the centre of attention.
United fans don’t get to complain that they are spoken about all the time in the media! You can’t call yourself the biggest club in England and then bitch that pundits are talking about you and using you as clickbait
After hearing loads of opinions on Ars/Citeh... I think Arteta cocked up doing a 10-man low block. I get if you're 9-man like we had to vs Spurs a while back... but Legohead was the architect of his own downfall. The best defensive set in the Prem should surely be able to defend with 8 and have a runner as the out... why because City would have had to keep on or two out of the attack to mark the runner which meant less bodies in the red zone for Arsenal. Valiant defending yes, but Arteta effed up because no one can statistically get through that with all 10 City players attacking. Just my opinion. Raya was excellent but also lucky many shots were hit straight at him. Oliver turned this into a farce and its hard to deny that when he refs City, they usually don't lose.
If Arsenal stopped kicking the ball away they’d have 4 more points this season. Their actions. Jesus Christ, Harry if your club stopped attacking referees and writing letters to the PGMOL they wouldn’t need to “protect” themselves from microscopic scrutiny. It was a fucking yellow card, it should be given more often, give up the whataboutery, so bored of the salt.
Oliver had that yellow card out of his pocket as soon as he blew his whistle, and he wasn’t kicking it away, he had the ball and kept playing on a split second after the whistle because, ya know, they’re out there playing football! Michael Oliver is a crap ref and just wanted an excuse to send someone off. The VAR team at the time of the incident were discussing a reckless challenge and did not even mention a delay of a restart
@@EEEZEA No, microscopic scrutiny is a PGMOL directive to the leagues referees to look for any little reason to book players and they can’t even apply that consistently. This may sound crazy but I just want to watch the damn game be played.
@@EEEZEA Also why are you acting as if the refs and PGMOL aren’t deserving of clubs’ criticism? They are absolute crap! I wish my club, and every other club tomorrow would send a joint letter to the PGMOL telling them to get their act together.
@@1whippple1 Referees are making more correct decisions now that when I started watching football over 30 years ago. It will never be perfect and I’m happy with that. But they got this correct ffs. I guess Arsenal fans will always believe that their constant moaning is for the moral betterment of the game. Must be why you’re living in the comments saying the same stuff under multiple posts. We get it, you’re a Gooner. Go make some dinner and put that salt to good use.
Harry- stop lying. Its one thing reaching position with your back behind the ball, and its another the other way around. Its so shameful for referee to call the player from a defensive position and then not wait for him before blowing the whistle. Walker didn't run, but he didn't walk slowly too.
@@cautiousoptimist1926 shut up. You clearly never played football in your life. You dont even understand how positioning works. It was the ref who took him out of the position. He should have waited till he got back in his position. But hey, its Arsenal. What do you expect from the king of victim mentality.
Harry playing morals, if that was a Manchester City player on yellow card with your team 1-2 down, will you have the same opinion. Keeping the game 11v11 is not the responsibility of the ref to keep the 11v11 the players have that responsibilities too. Arsenal were playing defensively even before the card.
The ref didn't card Silva or doku for kicking the ball away so he set a precedent there. It is his responsibility to manage the game fairly and he didn't do that meaning we played a whole half with 10 men
I have said it time and time again Grizz is the worst analyst on the panel and he definitely should not be representing Liverpool and by the way Walker has Martinelli under wraps throughout the game apart from the goals
Genuinely here, not trying to be a nob... but what is the difference between Arteta's system and Dyche's ? Sit back and wait for a set piece goal then defend for your life to protect the 1 goal lead - timewaste, fake injuries, dive, whatever it takes - If Dyche had the £1B Arteta has spent in 4 years, he'd have more than 1 FA Cup
Arsenal's setup and defence are the envy of every team in the league and pretty much most of Europe. You won't find any fans saying the same about Dycheball. If you really think that and aren't trying to be a nob then I fear the complexities of football may be lost on you
United fan telling Man City how to win, and please no me can tell Pep how to play until you face that kind of low block you don’t have a clue, it’s okay watching on tv or high ground, pitch level it’s different. For me. And on the goal Arsenal scored last week go watch the hands on Romero to stop him jumping for the ball before Gabby scored.
Another Arsenal loving session. How the Arsenal fan can defend Trossard is just mind boggling. Should be pissed at Trossard not the referee - also inconsistent decisions is nonsense. They had a lot go their way beforehand and after that decision. Arsenal are a quality side but City deserved that equaliser for just not giving up and Arsenal offered nothing in terms of going forward or holding the ball up. Never seen such a defensive performance even with 10 men - to offer nothing I bizarre. Long way to go, I don’t think result mattered much at this stage. As always April time is where things get started.
These refs get a lot money when they get to work on invitational games in the Middle East.. It would be in their best interest to give Oil Money clubs some leeway
Has arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea never got any ref decisions that benefited them? Also have you watched every match from the top 6 to think it's only city that benefits from ref decisions?
00:00 - LIVE STARTS
02:49 - INTRO
07:23 - Manchester City 2-2 Arsenal
16:58 - Riccardo Calafiori SCREAMER!
25:12 - Should Trossard have been sent off?
29:00 - The inconsistency of referees
40:07 - Different game if Trossard doesn't see red?
47:30 - West Ham 0-3 Chelsea
57:53 - Liverpool 3-0 Bournemouth
1:04:45 - Crystal Palace 0-0 Manchester United
1:11:03 - Tottenham 3-1 Brentford
1:14:50 - Aston Villa 3-1 Wolves
1:17:15 - OUTRO
Being an Arsenal fan I calmed down massively. I can see how you can have the opinion the sending off was correct, I still feel its harsh and the exact same ref didn`t do it last year ... so the game heated uo between the two teams.
What I really don`t understand is which ref is appointed to which game. If Anthony Taylor -for whatever reason- makes more mistakes in chelsea games than stop applying him there. This isn`t even strange, its the same with players : if a player doesn`t work against a specific opposition he doesn`t play, Mudryk, Zinchenko, Richarlison, Alvarez etc
Same thing with Michael Oliver: he was on VAR for the penalty City vs United (lets call it questionable) , The offside goal City vs Fulham, Liverpool vs City (Doku vs McAllister) , Arsenal City (Kovacic) ...why appoint him for this game? He seems to make especially errors in these games.
But probably the problem lies also in the fact that the PGMOL have all the power: If Managers or players critique refs they get fined, in the same time the PGMOL comes out and always defend themselves and come up with whatever idea they have for new rules ... when did this kind of unbalanced power ever work?
I’m convinced Trossard would’ve been sent off regardless of if he kicked the ball away a millisecond after the whistle was blown or not. Oliver had that card out of his pocket so damn quick.
Arsenal have Michael Oliver
Chelsea have Anthony Taylor
Liverpool have Paul Tierney
There might be others but that is 3 examples of referees that consistantly are bad against a specific team.
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As long as I never hear Harry complain about a team parking the bus against them, I will take his point that you can play however you like. But he should never talk about teams parking the bus or low blocks against his team in future.
I will never forget his reaction to the 0-0 draw against Newcastle at the Emirates in January last year. It was all about how teams should play a certain way just because Newcastle didn’t set up how he liked it.
As a neutral, loved the shithousery and fighting between City and Arsenal. Haaland telling Arteta to be humble at the end of the game was too funny.
great stuff as always! now to watch the vid
Come on Harry, if a City player did that and got sent off you'd be praising the ref
I mean, Doku and Silva both kicked the ball away delaying a restart in the same half and neither got a yellow.. At the time of the incident the VAR team were discussing a ‘reckless challenge’, no mention of delaying a restart.
@@1whippple1 both Doku and Silva should've got yellow cards I agree
@@Michael-ok2ij I don’t, they’ve taken this rule to such extreme that any touch of the ball after a whistle has gone is penalized (but also sometimes ignored??). It’s supposed to stop time wasting or obstructing a quick restart. None of those 3 incidents did that at all really and if Trossard wasn’t sent off then we wouldn’t be talking about any of the 3 incidents because nobody would’ve even noticed.
It's a send off without doubt, but every fan gets frustrated at the inconsistency of the interpretation of the rules by the referees.
It never is a City player though is it.
Harry too dishonest when it comes to Arsenal. Same as Scott with United. I rate the loyalty tbh.
Funny thing is I actually like them a lot talking about other teams I guess we all have our bias
This just feels like an Arsenal coping sesh. They needed to kill off city and show the world it’s their time but they failed again lol city just didn’t need to lose, they know what to do to become champions
Harry is turning into Eric Ten Hag, bringing up ref decisions from past games. How many more times are we gonna be hearing about that Declan Rice incident 😂😂.
Re scott’s comment about fans talking about style of play. It all comes back to brighton sacking houghton imo. At the time everyone were slagging off brighton as they wanted a better style of play and it worked out for them. The likes of west ham have tried to replicate it and it’s backfired
Harry not totally wrong but a bit unhinged here. Rice gets a second yellow for kicking the ball away? Arteta, in the pre-match: "I think we should really kick the ball.away
VVD walked off when he did his ACL. As soon as I saw Rodri holding the back of knee I though it was his ACL.
Just occurred to me... if Oliver HAD yellowed Doku and Silva for kicking the ball away, Trossard would have had to have been an imbecile to launch the ball because a precedent was already set. THIS is the actual eff up of Prem refs like Oliver. Again it begs the question WHY ping Ars and NOT Citeh???
Instead of fans all agreeing that VAR and the refs continue to screw our teams over again and again you all choose to complain when it happens to you and mock others when it happens to them. As a result the rule changes, the quality of refereeing gets worse and worse each season. Congrats everyone!
Oliver used to be such a decent ref but I noticed a big change in his competence last season...someone with a lot of cash & a pet camel must've "got to him!"
Any ref that sends a woolwich player of is a great ref
I'm convinced that Scott is an Chelsea fan. He wants them to succeed.
Gibbs White was sent off because he was told by the 4th official it’s a dangerous tackle which is allowed. Mind you Anthony Taylor loves to be the centre of attention.
When did the rule change where they could change the ref’s decision in play on a 2nd yellow card?
Your hate of Chelsea is confused admiration
United fans don’t get to complain that they are spoken about all the time in the media! You can’t call yourself the biggest club in England and then bitch that pundits are talking about you and using you as clickbait
After hearing loads of opinions on Ars/Citeh... I think Arteta cocked up doing a 10-man low block. I get if you're 9-man like we had to vs Spurs a while back... but Legohead was the architect of his own downfall. The best defensive set in the Prem should surely be able to defend with 8 and have a runner as the out... why because City would have had to keep on or two out of the attack to mark the runner which meant less bodies in the red zone for Arsenal. Valiant defending yes, but Arteta effed up because no one can statistically get through that with all 10 City players attacking. Just my opinion. Raya was excellent but also lucky many shots were hit straight at him. Oliver turned this into a farce and its hard to deny that when he refs City, they usually don't lose.
The ref is a corrupt fool.
Is Harry including the community shield matches when he says City haven’t beaten them in the last 4 matches?
The middle east competitions have been paying refs pretty well.
Mike ( man city ) Oliver, he can’t be allowed to do any city games!
Seeing arsenal fans cry is a beautiful thing
Arsenal were able to keep a clean sheet in this fixture last season. This season 2 goals in.
In both goals arsenal were 10men!
If Arsenal stopped kicking the ball away they’d have 4 more points this season. Their actions.
Jesus Christ, Harry if your club stopped attacking referees and writing letters to the PGMOL they wouldn’t need to “protect” themselves from microscopic scrutiny. It was a fucking yellow card, it should be given more often, give up the whataboutery, so bored of the salt.
Oliver had that yellow card out of his pocket as soon as he blew his whistle, and he wasn’t kicking it away, he had the ball and kept playing on a split second after the whistle because, ya know, they’re out there playing football! Michael Oliver is a crap ref and just wanted an excuse to send someone off. The VAR team at the time of the incident were discussing a reckless challenge and did not even mention a delay of a restart
@@1whippple1 exactly the microscopic scrutiny I was talking about. Well done 😂👏👏
@@EEEZEA No, microscopic scrutiny is a PGMOL directive to the leagues referees to look for any little reason to book players and they can’t even apply that consistently. This may sound crazy but I just want to watch the damn game be played.
@@EEEZEA Also why are you acting as if the refs and PGMOL aren’t deserving of clubs’ criticism? They are absolute crap! I wish my club, and every other club tomorrow would send a joint letter to the PGMOL telling them to get their act together.
@@1whippple1 Referees are making more correct decisions now that when I started watching football over 30 years ago. It will never be perfect and I’m happy with that. But they got this correct ffs.
I guess Arsenal fans will always believe that their constant moaning is for the moral betterment of the game.
Must be why you’re living in the comments saying the same stuff under multiple posts. We get it, you’re a Gooner. Go make some dinner and put that salt to good use.
Calafiori was trying to cross
Calling it a classico, where is the power of shame??
Harry- stop lying. Its one thing reaching position with your back behind the ball, and its another the other way around. Its so shameful for referee to call the player from a defensive position and then not wait for him before blowing the whistle. Walker didn't run, but he didn't walk slowly too.
He had 8 seconds after the chat with the ref before the ball was played and he knew where Martinelli was positioned.
@@cautiousoptimist1926 shut up. You clearly never played football in your life. You dont even understand how positioning works. It was the ref who took him out of the position. He should have waited till he got back in his position. But hey, its Arsenal. What do you expect from the king of victim mentality.
HARRY DELUDED ARSENAL PR OPINIONS AS USUAL
Harry playing morals, if that was a Manchester City player on yellow card with your team 1-2 down, will you have the same opinion. Keeping the game 11v11 is not the responsibility of the ref to keep the 11v11 the players have that responsibilities too. Arsenal were playing defensively even before the card.
You definitely didn't watch the game, we were 1 nil down then came back 2 1 and had them on the ropes. How did we play defensively the whole game?
The ref didn't card Silva or doku for kicking the ball away so he set a precedent there. It is his responsibility to manage the game fairly and he didn't do that meaning we played a whole half with 10 men
Harry is so dishonest. He is like the typical Arsenal fan you see on Twitter.
Oliver was right, arsenal fans need to stop whinging
He baited me 😂
think harry is too biased. he needs to be humbled
I have said it time and time again Grizz is the worst analyst on the panel and he definitely should not be representing Liverpool and by the way Walker has Martinelli under wraps throughout the game apart from the goals
Genuinely here, not trying to be a nob... but what is the difference between Arteta's system and Dyche's ?
Sit back and wait for a set piece goal then defend for your life to protect the 1 goal lead - timewaste, fake injuries, dive, whatever it takes -
If Dyche had the £1B Arteta has spent in 4 years, he'd have more than 1 FA Cup
Arsenal's setup and defence are the envy of every team in the league and pretty much most of Europe. You won't find any fans saying the same about Dycheball. If you really think that and aren't trying to be a nob then I fear the complexities of football may be lost on you
United fan telling Man City how to win, and please no me can tell Pep how to play until you face that kind of low block you don’t have a clue, it’s okay watching on tv or high ground, pitch level it’s different. For me. And on the goal Arsenal scored last week go watch the hands on Romero to stop him jumping for the ball before Gabby scored.
Yes Klopp beat pep at there home
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Its getting kind of silly to have these conversations without a City fan. 4 years on and finally I am on the verge of unsubscribing.
Another Arsenal loving session.
How the Arsenal fan can defend Trossard is just mind boggling. Should be pissed at Trossard not the referee - also inconsistent decisions is nonsense. They had a lot go their way beforehand and after that decision.
Arsenal are a quality side but City deserved that equaliser for just not giving up and Arsenal offered nothing in terms of going forward or holding the ball up. Never seen such a defensive performance even with 10 men - to offer nothing I bizarre.
Long way to go, I don’t think result mattered much at this stage. As always April time is where things get started.
Standard Arsenal fans, never hold their players accountable - always blaming the referee
Even Leeds won at the Etihad with 10 men
@@DavidRegaL-lw5xz Leeds had a good go, deserved to nick it at the end.
Why do the Refs want City to win the League despite they being under the investigation for the highest number of charges against any Club in History.
These refs get a lot money when they get to work on invitational games in the Middle East.. It would be in their best interest to give Oil Money clubs some leeway
Has arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea never got any ref decisions that benefited them?
Also have you watched every match from the top 6 to think it's only city that benefits from ref decisions?
Chelsea win the league within 3 years
Massive mentality failure by Arsenal really
Liverpool won...oh look who's back!