When Windows was different.

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  • @nobbyfirefly57
    @nobbyfirefly57 2 місяці тому +49

    At least Vista bothered to fully change the ui. Windows 11 hasn’t even changed half.

    • @damian9303
      @damian9303 2 місяці тому +1

      It’s a massive improvement compared to 10, but regardless there’s still a lot to polish up

    • @nobbyfirefly57
      @nobbyfirefly57 2 місяці тому +7

      @@damian9303 massive? Like what?

    • @damian9303
      @damian9303 2 місяці тому +1

      @@nobbyfirefly57 just in the presentation alone, if the bloatware is gonna slow down a business computer at least have it be visually stunning lol. felt better to use windows 8.1 for its speedy performance even though it looks pretty much like 10 after you installed the classic shell

    • @EnlightenedSavage
      @EnlightenedSavage 2 місяці тому +7

      The older ui is better. I care about functionality not aesthetics. Everyone else does to do, they just don't know it.

    • @nobbyfirefly57
      @nobbyfirefly57 2 місяці тому

      @@EnlightenedSavage I don’t like metro personally. 10 is still metro inspired. While 11 is better, the bar is already low. We need fruitier aero back or some modern version of it. I want to HEAR the soul again.

  • @zerstaerker
    @zerstaerker 2 місяці тому +15

    ten, eleven, how cute. I switched to 95 long ago

    • @MaxUgly
      @MaxUgly Місяць тому +2

      2k was the golden age

  • @joshwa1234
    @joshwa1234 2 місяці тому +16

    It's funny how Windows 10 (to me) is becoming almost nostalgia (but not as much as Win98, XP and 7). A comfortable place to be, compared to Windows 11, which makes simple copy and paste tasks more difficult. Great video BTW.

  • @lboston4660
    @lboston4660 2 місяці тому +3

    Windows 7 was the last Windows I had love for. Windows 8.1 was the last I had respect for. Windows 10 was the last I had hope for. It really shows how far Windows has fallen down in Micro$oft's list of priorities. Which turned out great for me in the end because it pushed me to give Linux the chance I should've given it years prior. My god, things are so much better here.

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому +1

      Well said

    • @fear416
      @fear416 Місяць тому

      It's only better if you have bog standard hardware and zero edge case scenarios

  • @antoniotugnoli
    @antoniotugnoli 2 місяці тому +3

    my first windows version was 3.0 briefly, then 3.1, and at first i was NOT tech literate. the first thing that comes to mind is that it was not obvious at all where a window went if you clicked outside of it and a maximized one overlapped it! until i learned ALT+TAB, i think i used to believe they were lost. i assume the 95 taskbar really helped novice users, but by then i was a power user.
    there really was something about the 3.1 program manager, especially if you had installed a good number of programs and you had your program groups all nicely tiled the way you liked it; i remember a friend visiting and saying it was beautiful.
    but i guess my favorite windows memory HAS to be windows 95, with all the hype before and after it was released, and all the stuff that came in the CD version once it launched. at some point before release i got a demo CD that ran on 3.1, and i'd spend hours geeking out at all the new features and upcoming microsoft software. i've seen a ton of amazing tech hype over the years, but nothing came close

  • @danielkemmet2594
    @danielkemmet2594 2 місяці тому +6

    I started on Windows 95 installed on an IBM Clone I dug out of a neightbors trash. I thought I was hot sauce when I stepped up to 98 on a compaq armada 7800. :') good times,

  • @NovanByworks
    @NovanByworks 27 днів тому +2

    51:38 This "computers as appliances" sentiment was actually the basis of a 2011 talk by Cory Doctorow titled, "The Coming War on General Computing". I'm very much over-simplifying his points here-highly recommend everyone watch it-but his general thesis was that as personal computers become more specialized like appliances (and vice-versa in some ways), the less capable they become as computers and the more control the companies that make them have over them and their users. I think it's safe to say that if they haven't already won that war by now, we are currently in the midst of it.

  • @domibark
    @domibark 2 місяці тому +11

    Always get upset in a Windows Vista/7 demonstration where they don't enable 3D acceleration in the VM graphics settings. I'm always like "C'mooon you gotta have Aero enabled to get the full experience!!"
    Regardless, I still enjoyed the video and your presentation.

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому +3

      Brother, I tried, it just wasn't going to happen. Don't worry, it bothered me too

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 2 місяці тому +4

    Fun thing about Windows XP: I had a custom installer built using nLite That was served over the network using a Linux PXE server!! You could network boot a computer and select the XP installer from the menu and by the time the second reboot came, your system was installed and up to date with all of the software updates pre-installed! I miss XP!!!
    Yes, I am a Gen X nerd!!

    • @ssokolow
      @ssokolow Місяць тому

      Got any docs you can point me to? It'd be nice to take my retro LAN's pxelinux chainload boot menu beyond the selection of DOS boot disks, floppies for things like PartitionMagic and Norton Utilities, and "Damn Small Linux from a RAM disk" that it's got right now.

  • @snowsh1ne
    @snowsh1ne 2 місяці тому +7

    I got a physical copy of Windows 8 for Christmas from my dad. I was already dual booting Linux at that time but i actually liked 8. Never upgraded to 8.1 when that was released but instead went Linux full time. Also happy to hear that we we get to see some more of AshDOS. Tried it out for fun last week and i was thinking about how i would have to modify it to allow for installing to an SSD. 😅

  • @CybersecPat
    @CybersecPat 2 місяці тому +7

    You earned my sub. Great video

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 2 місяці тому +7

    In Windows 3, you can double click on the dash in the upper left hand corner of the window to close it. As far as fonts, we all used the Adobe true type fonts that came on a single floppy.

    • @YS_Production
      @YS_Production Місяць тому +2

      Yes, and this behaviour works to this date - you can double click the window icon to close the window. I use it, sometimes it's shorter way than going to the right of a window.

    • @theol1044
      @theol1044 Місяць тому +2

      @@YS_Production I have been using the upper left corner to close a window in Windows for ages. The biggest plus point for me was that it was the same corner the Mac used for the window controls, so I could use similar behaviour for both OSs.
      However, this does *not* work with MS store apps. MS, in their typiical fashion, added yet another annoying inconsistency to the Windows UI.

    • @YS_Production
      @YS_Production Місяць тому +1

      @@theol1044 it's sad it no longer works everywhere. On Windows 7, while they removed window icon from Explorer folder windows, you could still click the area where an icon should be and this behaviour still worked. But I think that was a coincidence and instead of actually removing the UI element, they made the icon blank.

  • @BigTrouble324
    @BigTrouble324 2 місяці тому +2

    This is written on my super-fast XP computer. Couldn't be more happy. Was a lot of work finding the best possible hardware and drivers, but totally worth it! Windows 11 can go fuck itself.

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому

      I'm putting together a native XP box for fun. What software do you recommend?

    • @cs8712
      @cs8712 Місяць тому

      @@cineminttechtips
      winamp v2.91 or 5.666

  • @DJJD669
    @DJJD669 2 місяці тому +8

    I vaguely remember my mom learning how to use dos on Windows 95, her friend would help her fix the computer after she messed it up and she would experiment for hours at a time, but I never used it much because I was so little. XP was our first computer that I would spend a lot of time on. We didn’t have internet very often, just sporadic months here and there, but I would spend SO much time exploring that computer and learning everything I could. I switched to MacOS as an adult, but I still install XP on VMs and tinker around from time to time for nostalgia sake, and I have desktop mode on my Steam Deck themed in Windows XP. I miss XP so much lol

    • @ErdrickHero
      @ErdrickHero 2 місяці тому +2

      You don't use DOS on Windows 95, you use Windows 95 on DOS. Up to and including Windows ME (but not including the Windows NT line), Windows was essentially an extension of DOS.

    • @DJJD669
      @DJJD669 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ErdrickHero homie, I was like 6, and I’ve never used Windows 95 before, maybe I got some of the semantics wrong, but I remember her using the command prompts rather than the user interface and fucking up the computer multiple times and waiting for her friend to come and fix it

    • @OpioidGuzzler
      @OpioidGuzzler 2 місяці тому

      @@ErdrickHeroExcept you do. You select “Restart the computer in MS-DOS mode?” at the shutdown prompt.

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 2 місяці тому +3

    You need the Luna theme for Windows XP.

  • @ImHeadshotSniper
    @ImHeadshotSniper 2 місяці тому +5

    17:38 what is that music? sounds stock-ish nostalgia music but i like it
    i grew up on XP as a 2000 born fella. XP and 7 were very nostalgic to me and i have videos recorded on other channels from years ago where i was actively using windows XP lol

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому +3

      It's the "shop closing" song from Animal Crossing New Horizons, it's very pretty

  • @shaheryarmuhammadali5843
    @shaheryarmuhammadali5843 Місяць тому +1

    Vista brought the Linux sudo equivalent in Windows; User Account Control (consent.exe). Windows Server 2008 is similar to/based on Vista. Windows 7's server counterpart was Windows Server 2008 R2.

  • @mentalmarvin
    @mentalmarvin 2 місяці тому +8

    Windows 8 was what made me move away from Microsoft. That full screen Start menu was laggy as heck! Guess where I ended up

    • @YS_Production
      @YS_Production Місяць тому +1

      Symbian?

    • @theol1044
      @theol1044 Місяць тому

      Windows 8 was actually fine, once you disabled all the tablet UI nonsense and added an alternative start menu.

    • @YS_Production
      @YS_Production Місяць тому

      @@theol1044 yes, then it was mostly re-skinned Windows 7, but I hated the 8 look and it didn't bring any meaningful new features to my knowledge. All that equates to me that 8 was a worthless version of Windows. Or am I too harsh?

    • @theol1044
      @theol1044 Місяць тому

      ​@@YS_Production Windows 8 was much more than its looks. According to Microsoft, lots of the core code of Windows 8 had been rewritten from scratch, notably the kernel. This had to do with Microsofts strategy to bring the Windows 8 kernel (and subsequently Windows 10) to a multitude of devices, including phones. That rewrite resulted in a big increase in perfomance (again, according to Microsoft). I cannot rate this myself, because I went from XP directly to 8 on a much newer computer as my main work machine, and personally only had 7 on much slower PCs. But I certainly never had anything to complain about regarding the performance of Windows 8. And leaving the Metro nonsense aside, 8 removed some of the visual fluff of Vista/7, which should have also helped performance.

    • @mentalmarvin
      @mentalmarvin Місяць тому

      @@YS_Production Alpine! I miss symbian though

  • @1993MAZDAMIATA
    @1993MAZDAMIATA Місяць тому +1

    I still use windows media center. I have over 2700 albums and it’s awesome seeing the art

  • @kokodin5895
    @kokodin5895 2 місяці тому +3

    you could close windows in windows 3.1 by double clicking on the left titlebat button with menu

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 2 місяці тому +3

    Fun fact about Windows Solitaire: Don't select a deck in the game. By not doing this, the game will pick a new deck randomly each time the game is started!

  • @YS_Production
    @YS_Production Місяць тому +2

    Hi. Thanks for the video. I will post a few notes:
    8:08 minimise and maximise are the arrow buttons on the right
    8:15 isn't it possible to close the window by double clicking the menu (minus sign) button? Because that's how I close windows very often today (win 10/11!) to save myself the trip to the right end of the window to the close button, instead I double click the window icon - it was even possible when Windows 7 explorer windows had no icons (well, they probably still had a fully transparent icon). I always considered this as a legacy remnant from past version of Windows (my first version was 95).
    8:28 the most important part of Windows Vista was Aero. It's a little bit of a crime not to show Vista and 7 with 3D graphics drivers where the look would really show. Aero was both loved and hated at the time of Vista and 7, but I think it was the step in the right direction, albeit I don't like that Aero (or its evolution we have today) is "forced on" in 10 and later (8 maybe too?). Also the task switcher at 28:05 is a 3D animated view of running windows which did not show in your presentation without 3D drivers and Aero enabled. It was also possible to show it via win+tab key combo in Vista and 7. Anyway I don't remember anyone ever using it in practice though, it was a nice gimmick at the time.
    I'll write my Windows story as a separate comment

  • @gdtyra
    @gdtyra Місяць тому +1

    Woa, Game Programming for Teens or whatever it was called was my first programming experience too! The Blitz products are open source now. Someday I want to dig into that and see what was going on behind the scenes

  • @itsalwaysoniontime
    @itsalwaysoniontime 2 місяці тому +4

    not really relevant, but when he said 'about 10 years ago' i genuinely thought he was gonna talk about windows 7, then he said windows 10 which made me feel very old, despite actually being a young person

  • @NDakota79
    @NDakota79 Місяць тому +1

    Windows nowadays is primarily a platform for advertising. I made the switch to macOS in 2011.

  • @MrHack4never
    @MrHack4never Місяць тому +2

    >doesn't spark fun in the users
    I know what you're talking about, the old Windows's feel like they were made by their users, the new W10/11 feel like storefronts where you only go to get what you absolutely need and leave immediately afterwards

  • @DankUser
    @DankUser Місяць тому +1

    "Let's just.... Gloss over these... Uhh... Missing DLLs... There." 🎉🎉🎉

  • @smokejaguar986
    @smokejaguar986 Місяць тому +2

    I wish there was a way to show this to Microsofts board of directors

  • @dragonballjiujitsu
    @dragonballjiujitsu Місяць тому +1

    I started on Win 95. Windows XP and Windows 7 were the pinnacles of the Windows OS. Everything after Win 7 has gotten a lot worse. I actually stopped using Windows after they did away with 7 and went to MacOS and Linux. You could't pay me to own a windows machine now.

  • @michaelmiller4154
    @michaelmiller4154 14 днів тому +1

    i love purple place so much!!!

  • @JoBot__
    @JoBot__ Місяць тому +1

    I think Windows Vista (with Aero enabled) is the best looking Windows release.

  • @PandaRamble
    @PandaRamble Місяць тому +2

    I could live with win11 not being "fun", what I'm pissed off about is that it isn't usable anymore. No UI customisation, no smooth experience. I was right clicking Start menu since server 2012 or win8 because the start started to suck for me, but win11 UI is just bunch of elements floating in ugly whitespace that dies whenever you want to open anything. I want to see names of all windows I have opened and sometimes make task bar 3x the size because I need to see what I'm changing to and this has become an impossible task on stock 11.

  • @roracle
    @roracle 2 місяці тому

    Honestly, 95 and 98 looked similar, but they were worlds apart.
    Even your image of explorer in My Documents looked nothing like that in 95

  • @JLZ109
    @JLZ109 2 місяці тому +1

    Interesting video! If only windows11 came with space cadet, I'd actually consider updating lol
    Just a heads up if you haven't noticed (or maybe it's just on my end) - the audio it's really quiet

  • @RaimarLunardi
    @RaimarLunardi Місяць тому +1

    I started with Me, but it was so bad I backpaddled to Win98SE... until like 2002 or 3, when I jumped straight to XP (after 1 month trying win2000, but too many hassle I decided to try XP even though it was considered "heavy")
    Tried Vista and it was shit, I only jumped to Win7 in like 2010...
    in 2013 I got a gamer laptop with win8.1 and it was very good! I never upgraded that to Win10 until I gave away to my cousin
    I'm on win10 on my PCs since like 2017-8, and will not upgrade to 11 if not really really obligatory. My laptop has now Linux Mint for quite some time,

  • @bennetfox
    @bennetfox 2 місяці тому +1

    Windows Vista was not refined and polished. It looked good but it ran like crap and the hardware requirements were ridiculous at the time. This was the last version of Windows I used before I switched to Linux full-time. I started out with Ubuntu and when I got tired of constantly fixing it I switched to LinuxMint which I still use to this very day on my laptop which is an older IBM ThinkTank (ThinkPad to the rest of you and I am serious when I say these things are built like tanks!).

    • @Wobuffet3
      @Wobuffet3 2 місяці тому +1

      11 is vista all over again lole

  • @Jamesisnothere123
    @Jamesisnothere123 2 місяці тому +2

    I can’t believe you skipped Windows 95

  • @theol1044
    @theol1044 Місяць тому +2

    You cannot speak about people staying (or running) away from Windows 11 without mentioning the ridiculous way MS hiked up the hardware requirements. I have about a dozen different computers running Windows 10, and none fulfills the requrements for Windows 11. When Windows 10 support runs out, I'lll probably switch to Mac or Linux (or Android for media boxes).

  • @mtaras
    @mtaras 2 місяці тому +6

    I think Windows 11 is fine now, pretty much on par with Windows 10 for me personally. I appreciate it for making some smaller UI changes that were long overdue (like centering the task bar; I believe today it makes a lot of sense to a lot of people).
    And I can say that because in my eyes, Windows always was barely OK. It could run (almost) any software and could be run on (almost) any hardware, and it's its biggest strength, but other than that, I always barely tolerated it, never enjoyed it, to the point of jumping to Ubuntu in high school and recently moving to macOS. And I've been happy with both Linux and macOS, and I don't think I ever was happy with Windows.

    • @brasidas33
      @brasidas33 2 місяці тому

      I liked the simplicity of XP and the raw power of NT

  • @samuelzinjgs
    @samuelzinjgs 2 місяці тому +2

    what is the music from the start?

  • @Nikolas_Noseman
    @Nikolas_Noseman 2 місяці тому +1

    Wait, you show us Win98, but didn't show us weird desktop themes with stupid cursors and sounds! Or were they introduced in Win98SE?

  • @MaxUgly
    @MaxUgly Місяць тому +2

    Edot: i have huge thumbs, and tts is not showing me amy love roght now...

  • @archie6276
    @archie6276 2 місяці тому +2

    I somehow loved the windows 8 start menu, it works somehow but i cannot get accostumed to the win11 one

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому +1

      I'm in the same boat, I'll take the Win 8 start menu over the Win 11 start menu any day

    • @archie6276
      @archie6276 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@cineminttechtipsThere is a registry key that you can flip in its "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FeatureManagement\Overrides\0\2093230218" and in this key you can change "EnabledState" to 0 but you need permissions. This is for having coloured start menu tiles

    • @archie6276
      @archie6276 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cineminttechtips there is a registry key you can access for coloured start menu you can search for "20H2: Any way to re-enable colored start menu tiles via registry tweaks?" On the internet, it may work with the win10 start menu from exp. Patcher idk

    • @archie6276
      @archie6276 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cineminttechtips there is a way to get coloured start menu tiles on windows 10, you can google it. It's easier to find if you search for 20h2, also deer god stop auto deleting my comments

    • @archie6276
      @archie6276 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cineminttechtips coloured menu is possible with a registry edit

  • @extremepsykosis
    @extremepsykosis 2 місяці тому

    There have only been two stages for windows. 9X and NT. We currently use NT and used to use DOS based 9X.
    If you think that the dos based was any better, you need a lobotomy. dos based was garbage, hacked together and blue screened all the time. Had higher limitations, bigger drawbacks and was unstable from boot.
    NT was the server based OS turned consumer, with greater stability and was introduced as an all around improvement over 9x based code. The first consumer version was XP, though some argue it was windows 2000.
    Are you talking about release cycles? because 95/98/Me/Vista/8 have all been flops
    95OSR2.1/98SE/XP/7/10 have all been amazing operating systems. This puts 11 in the flop category and the next version of windows should be a much improved version of 11.
    So there wasn't a point when windows was different....the only thing that changed was your perception.
    So don't make videos unless you actually have done research, and put together a script and do things properly. When you do unprepared nonsense like what you just did here, it invalidates every single opinion you have and makes your content essentially worthless to everyone.
    Do better.

  • @roracle
    @roracle 2 місяці тому

    I'm not trying to be mean, but it's clear you don't really know what you're talking about from a technical point of view.
    There's a world of difference between Linux users and Windows users. Linux users seem to understand the core technologies, even in Windows. But Windows users are always about the aesthetic and likely, as you've demonstrated, don't actually know what's under the hood enough to comment on it.
    Please learn Linux so you can make computers personal again.

    • @cineminttechtips
      @cineminttechtips  2 місяці тому +4

      I know Linux pretty well. I've got other videos on this channel if you're interested in building a tiny distro from source and getting Python running on it. This video was explicitly for the people who only care about the aesthetic of Windows, it has nothing to do with the technical side. It was a nostalgia trip for me

  • @gentuxable
    @gentuxable 2 місяці тому +2

    16:24 Win98 came with IE4.