"They didn't score enough" is the cheesiest answer for that question. The REAL answer is....the Bears entire coaching staff is inept....they are ruining yet ANOTHER QB....and since the McCaskeys will NEVER do what is needed...and fire Eberflus mid season....they scapegoated Waldron.
No, it's actually a VALID answer, because if they'd scored more, they'd likely have won more games, & therefore wouldn't be mired in this mess. Yes, ownership, the front office, & the coaching staff - primarily the head coach - is beyond inept , but firing 'Flus mid-season ISN'T a solution, & only moderately appeases the idiot contingent of the fanbase. Whom do you appoint in his stead for interim? Literally there's no one on the current staff who has anything CLOSE to head-coaching experience, & to randomly give the job to someone who would have LESS of a clue on how to right the ship would be an exercise in further futility, & a monumental increase in how much lower the bar of embarrassment can be set, STILL.
@@PhysicalFortitudeExactly. Do what the Packers did when Love went down and they wanted to take it easy on Malik. Use Roshon far more. Use Scott to stretch field.
The league should've forced the McCaskey's to sell the team for them not even interviewing Jim Harbaugh. Never has there been a greater example of organizational malpractice than that. How could Poles, who was a former O linemen, and who has had 3 drafts as the Bear's GM, not have drafted more O linemen in the first round than just Darnell Wright?
After wasting a de facto 1st round pick (32nd overall second round pick) for Pittsburgh's 3rd receiver who had worse stats every year he'd been in the league and was a known head case is now only Pole's second worst decision after not drafting a Olineman with the 8th overall or better yet trading down and picking two first day Olinemen in the 2024 draft. Drafting an WR was a luxury pick for a team just off of food stamps.
The owners are "the league." Attempting to force a sale (very difficult to do) just because ownership is incompetent would set a precedent that would scare the sh*t out of the other bumbling billionaires. Not gonna happen.
No one is interviewing a HC candidate while the current HC still has the job. No 1st Rd picks in 2022. Wright in 2023. Caleb and Rome in 2024. I personally would have preferred an OL instead of Rome, but I get the decision. Are you suggesting Poles should have picked 2 OL in 2024? Or trade up in 2022 which he'd likely have to give up a future 1st Rd pick? On paper the OL looked to have been adequate to solid-ish. Center looked to be the weakest link, but Wright has regressed from a great individual rookie season. The injuries have halted the offenses momentum.
1. Never should have hired him. Seattle offense rankings under Waldron OC, 2021-18th, 2022-13th, 2023-21st. 2. What is the reasoning behind drafting the 2022 Heisman winner over the 2023 Heisman winner. 3. Does Eberflus get bonus money for using some form of the word "process" in his press conferences?
Facts. I looked it up when they hired him and knew unless they won this year, we were starting over again. When is McCaskey going to take any of the blame?
Caleb can be good , it’s the damn coaching 💯 It’s premature until seeing him with a good coaching staff & a good O line 🤷🏿♂️ Jayden Daniels got both over there in Washington, we do NOT
@@jericho2281999 Bingo, can't be overlooked. And the WR route tree under Waldron was abysmal in Seattle and carried over to the Bears. Poorly researched by the Bears. They're very lucky to have Caleb fall into their laps.
I doubt Eberflus decided anything. If they were talking about keeping Waldron around last night, that was Eberflus. If they fired him this morning, that was Poles.
Yes, having invested in the offense (extend WR/TE, bring in vet RB/WR/TE, draft #1 QB, draft WR) you cannot expect Def to continue to hold opponents to under 20pts & lose.
I think he was actually in demand... But also, I worried who would accept a lateral job move with the prospect of being fired in 1 year? Taking the job was his first error in judgement.
Kliff Kingsbury was considered a bum, degenerate..he gets put with Jayden Daniels and now he's a genius. On the other hand Sean McVay said Shane Waldron was the next great offensive mind..he gets put with Caleb Williams (who some said was surrounded by the most talent for a rookie QB ever) yet it's career suicide in a half of a season. I mean Chicago is a complete dumpster fire
Shane Waldren said no to the team that just got him fired. So, as a Patriots fan, thank you, Shane Waldren, for not wasting the first year of our QBs career.
In the 100 year history of the team they’ve never fired a HC during the season. This is the most they are willing to do which shows how sad and bad this franchise is
@nikp8418 Caleb is the same POST HEISMAN & PRO DAY Caleb Williams that's been on display for the world to see. Hence, there is no "regressing" nor any improvements. This is who Caleb Williams is!
Nah man bears fans all offseason were saying “no first overall QB has ever been drafted to a better situation.” Took half a season to find out that was a terrible take. Expectations were as high as bears ever have. They went for glitz and glam instead of enforcing the trenches.
@@HerbHerman-le5ux name a better (on paper) trio at WR than the Bears. That's across the league. Now name a better WR trio to a rookie QB EVER. You can't.
@@nikp8418 Bear could have Moss, Rice, and Fitzgerald and still would struggle to get the ball to the perimeter. Oline and run game much more valuable to success of young QB than talented receivers. This ain’t college anymore buddy
All the talk predraft was that Kingsbury and Williams would go to the same place. Somehow the Bears passed on Kingsbury and drafted Williams. Even though the media hated on Fields, the fans and the team wanted him back. Bears could have kept Fields and gotten a record haul for the #1 pick. Poles needs to go.
Who cares what the fans think, they don't do this for a living. Bears fans ran Nagy out of town and he got the bears into the playoffs twice with trubisky
@@RedHoodFH If you go against the fans and the team, you had better be right. Poles is looking very wrong at the moment. Even Williams camp was suggesting they wanted to avoid the Bears. They were right, and should have forced a trade.
Shane Waldron has value as a high end coach on the squad. He is more of a great special team coach or a coaches assistant but for a NFL offensive coordinator actually in charge with coaching em up being innovative but simple fit for his particular young QB he just ain't it. Never had been
MayBe kliff only wanted to go to chicago if they draft jayden? Maybe he believed jayden was better than caleb? Maybe bears told him they will draft caleb and he decided to go to washington
Huge surprise, the softest thing this organization could do, they did. Eberflus should have been fired for lacking leadership. The whole organization lacks leadership.
Dude u don’t watch Bears I’m guessing . He started just as bad as he finished. Beat the Titans with NO offense to speak of. And Lost the next 2 with crap offense as well.
Shane Waldron is the teaser before the end of season firing of Bears General Manager Ryan Poles. Passing on a franchise changing draft haul and wasting the #1 overall pick on a QUARTERBACK YOU DIDN'T NEED is unforgivable. Caleb needs to be benched while he still (may) have value before trading him for picks and/or O Line help. Then outbid everyone to bring back Justin Fields. Otherwise DJ Moore and others will be demanding to be traded. Ben Johnson is more likely to come to Chicago with Justin Fields (whom he faced twice a year) than Caleb Williams.
The Bears can fire / hire whoever they want, but it's not going to fix the fact that Caleb is more focused on coordinating his heels and purse with the proper lip gloss instead of reading defenses. When the QB is more comfortable in Wrigleyville than Soldier Field, the franchise is going to suffer.
Dude, you spend more time trying to slag him for his idiosyncrasies than actually add anything to the conversation. Your comment literally makes zero sense from a football point of view.
@@DanArchie-r9q Not knowing the playbook, not being able to identify / read the defense, and throwing the ball into triple coverage... those are more than "idiosyncrasies". Yes, I'm biased; I want the Bears to have a franchise QB for the first time in team history.
@@33TimberWolfLooking past your completely nonsensical and unfounded comments about Caleb the person and professional (sigh), everyone with eyes would have to admit he's not been playing well since London especially. However, anyone with ears cannot ignore what's been coming out of the locker room whether it's the players public criticism of this coaching staff or the likes of Kurt Warner and Tim Jenkins saying our offensive schemes have been awful, disjointed, and rarely fit the personel the Bears have. Jenkins and Warner have been critical of Caleb as well, in particular his footwork, but again that's largely coaching.
@@33TimberWolf Yep, and those are valid comments and actually add to the football conversation and yep, you're absolutely right. I would be curious to see how/if he would progress under a different head coach, a new OC is definitely a good thing. I don't even know why they hired Waldron, he wasn't good with Seattle. Caleb looks like he's actually regressing as the year goes on.
"They didn't score enough" is the cheesiest answer for that question. The REAL answer is....the Bears entire coaching staff is inept....they are ruining yet ANOTHER QB....and since the McCaskeys will NEVER do what is needed...and fire Eberflus mid season....they scapegoated Waldron.
No, it's actually a VALID answer, because if they'd scored more, they'd likely have won more games, & therefore wouldn't be mired in this mess.
Yes, ownership, the front office, & the coaching staff - primarily the head coach - is beyond inept , but firing 'Flus mid-season ISN'T a solution, & only moderately appeases the idiot contingent of the fanbase.
Whom do you appoint in his stead for interim?
Literally there's no one on the current staff who has anything CLOSE to head-coaching experience, & to randomly give the job to someone who would have LESS of a clue on how to right the ship would be an exercise in further futility, & a monumental increase in how much lower the bar of embarrassment can be set, STILL.
Saying Waldron is a scapegoat is insane lol, he literally runs the offense. Eberflus does not. 😂
@@PhysicalFortitudeExactly. Do what the Packers did when Love went down and they wanted to take it easy on Malik. Use Roshon far more. Use Scott to stretch field.
Bears should have drafted an offensive lineman instead of Rome Odunze.
Exactly, why did they need Odunze, when they have Moore and Allen, and just let Mooney walk?
Agree 100 %-look at the Lions to see what a top lineman means to a young QB - hello Penny Sewell
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Poles has way too much of his ego invested in Braxton Jones for him to do that... another reason why Poles should go too.
They should have drafted OL instead of Caleb
The league should've forced the McCaskey's to sell the team for them not even interviewing Jim Harbaugh. Never has there been a greater example of organizational malpractice than that. How could Poles, who was a former O linemen, and who has had 3 drafts as the Bear's GM, not have drafted more O linemen in the first round than just Darnell Wright?
After wasting a de facto 1st round pick (32nd overall second round pick) for Pittsburgh's 3rd receiver who had worse stats every year he'd been in the league and was a known head case is now only Pole's second worst decision after not drafting a Olineman with the 8th overall or better yet trading down and picking two first day Olinemen in the 2024 draft. Drafting an WR was a luxury pick for a team just off of food stamps.
The owners are "the league." Attempting to force a sale (very difficult to do) just because ownership is incompetent would set a precedent that would scare the sh*t out of the other bumbling billionaires. Not gonna happen.
@@UR_Right24 why would Harbaugh ever consider going to a poverty franchise. He’s a winner. Bears are losers. Simple as that
Never forget we're the team that trade up one spot to take trubisky at #2😊🤡
No one is interviewing a HC candidate while the current HC still has the job. No 1st Rd picks in 2022. Wright in 2023. Caleb and Rome in 2024. I personally would have preferred an OL instead of Rome, but I get the decision. Are you suggesting Poles should have picked 2 OL in 2024? Or trade up in 2022 which he'd likely have to give up a future 1st Rd pick? On paper the OL looked to have been adequate to solid-ish. Center looked to be the weakest link, but Wright has regressed from a great individual rookie season. The injuries have halted the offenses momentum.
1. Never should have hired him. Seattle offense rankings under Waldron OC, 2021-18th, 2022-13th, 2023-21st.
2. What is the reasoning behind drafting the 2022 Heisman winner over the 2023 Heisman winner.
3. Does Eberflus get bonus money for using some form of the word "process" in his press conferences?
Facts. I looked it up when they hired him and knew unless they won this year, we were starting over again. When is McCaskey going to take any of the blame?
JSN reaction said it all
Caleb can be good , it’s the damn coaching 💯 It’s premature until seeing him with a good coaching staff & a good O line 🤷🏿♂️ Jayden Daniels got both over there in Washington, we do NOT
@@jericho2281999who is JSN?
@@jericho2281999 Bingo, can't be overlooked. And the WR route tree under Waldron was abysmal in Seattle and carried over to the Bears. Poorly researched by the Bears. They're very lucky to have Caleb fall into their laps.
They hired Waldron because they all have the same agent
Weve gone from probably a 4 win team to probably a 4 win team 😂
Whoa…let’s not get too crazy now, it’s just an OC change!!
I doubt Eberflus decided anything. If they were talking about keeping Waldron around last night, that was Eberflus. If they fired him this morning, that was Poles.
Yes, having invested in the offense (extend WR/TE, bring in vet RB/WR/TE, draft #1 QB, draft WR) you cannot expect Def to continue to hold opponents to under 20pts & lose.
Jim Harbaugh is still waiting for the Bears to reach out to him, meanwhile the Chargers drafted to improve their line.
thank u tom for literally almost no imformation
Waldron was hired because he was CHEAP. ⬇️⬇️🐻
Facts
I think he was actually in demand... But also, I worried who would accept a lateral job move with the prospect of being fired in 1 year? Taking the job was his first error in judgement.
The Seattle players were less than complimentary of Waldron after he was fired from there last year. Bears are toast
You had Patriots special teamers getting sacks, everyone was getting one, they gave up 9 sacks last game, and who knows how many qb hits.
Kliff Kingsbury was considered a bum, degenerate..he gets put with Jayden Daniels and now he's a genius.
On the other hand Sean McVay said Shane Waldron was the next great offensive mind..he gets put with Caleb Williams (who some said was surrounded by the most talent for a rookie QB ever) yet it's career suicide in a half of a season.
I mean Chicago is a complete dumpster fire
Shane Waldren said no to the team that just got him fired. So, as a Patriots fan, thank you, Shane Waldren, for not wasting the first year of our QBs career.
Everyone is asking "Why didn't they hire (failed head coach) Cliff Kingsbury as OC? But Why didn't they hire up and coming talent Thomas Brown as OC?
This mess cant possibly be because of the play caller. 😂😂😂
In the 100 year history of the team they’ve never fired a HC during the season. This is the most they are willing to do which shows how sad and bad this franchise is
Fix Rich’s mic please.
The expectations were not high. The breaking point was that Caleb started regressing.
@nikp8418 Caleb is the same POST HEISMAN & PRO DAY Caleb Williams that's been on display for the world to see.
Hence, there is no "regressing" nor any improvements.
This is who Caleb Williams is!
Nah man bears fans all offseason were saying “no first overall QB has ever been drafted to a better situation.” Took half a season to find out that was a terrible take. Expectations were as high as bears ever have. They went for glitz and glam instead of enforcing the trenches.
@@HerbHerman-le5ux name a better (on paper) trio at WR than the Bears. That's across the league. Now name a better WR trio to a rookie QB EVER. You can't.
@@nikp8418 Bear could have Moss, Rice, and Fitzgerald and still would struggle to get the ball to the perimeter. Oline and run game much more valuable to success of young QB than talented receivers. This ain’t college anymore buddy
@@HerbHerman-le5ux you proved my point 🤷
All the talk predraft was that Kingsbury and Williams would go to the same place. Somehow the Bears passed on Kingsbury and drafted Williams.
Even though the media hated on Fields, the fans and the team wanted him back. Bears could have kept Fields and gotten a record haul for the #1 pick.
Poles needs to go.
Who cares what the fans think, they don't do this for a living. Bears fans ran Nagy out of town and he got the bears into the playoffs twice with trubisky
@@RedHoodFH If you go against the fans and the team, you had better be right.
Poles is looking very wrong at the moment.
Even Williams camp was suggesting they wanted to avoid the Bears. They were right, and should have forced a trade.
Shane Waldron has value as a high end coach on the squad. He is more of a great special team coach or a coaches assistant but for a NFL offensive coordinator actually in charge with coaching em up being innovative but simple fit for his particular young QB he just ain't it. Never had been
This head coach has gone through more coordinators than any head coach in the history of the game. The entire organization is a dumpster fire.
MayBe kliff only wanted to go to chicago if they draft jayden? Maybe he believed jayden was better than caleb? Maybe bears told him they will draft caleb and he decided to go to washington
not packers taking any ones trash they do fine they their are 🔥🔥💛💖
Huge surprise, the softest thing this organization could do, they did. Eberflus should have been fired for lacking leadership. The whole organization lacks leadership.
Packers are coming off there bye expect them to be refreshed. This Bears team is done
Packers by 10.
At least 10.
only 10?
@@danmcnamara4640 My thinking is 14-21 (Not score. Blowing CHi out by 14 or 21)
The league should embargo the Bears from drafting a QB until the McKaskeys are gone. The McKaskeys stack up ruined QBs like cord wood.
Again just give pelissero no answers, just word salad.
Ben Johnson next yr
Caleb made big plays against bad teams
What big plays? Those were made by the RB, Wars, and TE...
What do you expect he started good because of tape and once the defensive coordinators got film of him it was going to change
Dude u don’t watch Bears I’m guessing . He started just as bad as he finished. Beat the Titans with NO offense to speak of. And Lost the next 2 with crap offense as well.
@ but the fans were so happy and boasting about how they were going to the Super Bowl
Normally when they do a facelift they don't also lift the forehead. Interesting.
Caleb the new team obliterator.
Seen what exactly 😂 not a damn thing
Terrible
Shane Waldron is the teaser before the end of season firing of Bears General Manager Ryan Poles.
Passing on a franchise changing draft haul and wasting the #1 overall pick on a QUARTERBACK YOU DIDN'T NEED is unforgivable.
Caleb needs to be benched while he still (may) have value before trading him for picks and/or O Line help.
Then outbid everyone to bring back Justin Fields. Otherwise DJ Moore and others will be demanding to be traded.
Ben Johnson is more likely to come to Chicago with Justin Fields (whom he faced twice a year) than Caleb Williams.
No chance Fields would ever go back to the Bears.
He was awful.
The Bears can fire / hire whoever they want, but it's not going to fix the fact that Caleb is more focused on coordinating his heels and purse with the proper lip gloss instead of reading defenses. When the QB is more comfortable in Wrigleyville than Soldier Field, the franchise is going to suffer.
Dude, you spend more time trying to slag him for his idiosyncrasies than actually add anything to the conversation. Your comment literally makes zero sense from a football point of view.
@@DanArchie-r9q No, but it does point out his bias.
@@DanArchie-r9q Not knowing the playbook, not being able to identify / read the defense, and throwing the ball into triple coverage... those are more than "idiosyncrasies". Yes, I'm biased; I want the Bears to have a franchise QB for the first time in team history.
@@33TimberWolfLooking past your completely nonsensical and unfounded comments about Caleb the person and professional (sigh), everyone with eyes would have to admit he's not been playing well since London especially. However, anyone with ears cannot ignore what's been coming out of the locker room whether it's the players public criticism of this coaching staff or the likes of Kurt Warner and Tim Jenkins saying our offensive schemes have been awful, disjointed, and rarely fit the personel the Bears have. Jenkins and Warner have been critical of Caleb as well, in particular his footwork, but again that's largely coaching.
@@33TimberWolf Yep, and those are valid comments and actually add to the football conversation and yep, you're absolutely right. I would be curious to see how/if he would progress under a different head coach, a new OC is definitely a good thing. I don't even know why they hired Waldron, he wasn't good with Seattle. Caleb looks like he's actually regressing as the year goes on.
The league should embargo the Bears from drafting a QB until the McKaskeys are gone. The McKaskeys stack up ruined QBs like cord wood.