Scalpers 2.0
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- The PS5 - the newest console in the latest generation of gaming. It's been highly sought after - but for more reasons than one. The pandemic has meant there's been a higher demand for electronics, and a chip shortage has caused a lower supply of consoles. So, in come the scalpers - people who use bots to monitor and buy up rare items, before reselling them at a higher price. Though completely legal in practice, it's very unpopular - but not everyone practices it for greed.
Click explores the world of scalping - talking to people who want to make as much money as they can, but also those who rely on it to keep a roof over their heads.
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“Not having a ps5 is suffering” as he sits in front of a dozen or more ps5’s.
Scalpers are the scum of the earth, I cant believe it’s not illegal. I can’t believe the are reaching for sympathy.
@Mr10Residentevilfan That's because the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 says it is an infringing act to reproduce literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work in any material form, including storing it in any medium by electronic means.
Reselling a physical product that you have purchased and therefore own, is not comparable.
@Mr10Residentevilfan I am from the UK
@@jacobhenderson5499 scalping is fraud. Many successful prosecutions in the UK support this long before ticket scalping was specifically prohibited in the UK. There’s also a bill making it’s way through the commons to make product scalping illegal too.
@@dwayne_dibley That's factually incorrect, scalping is not fraud and I'd love you to actually reference those prosecutions that have been made. Scalping is the act of someone purchasing an item, it then becomes theirs, and they decide to sell it for an advertised price, there's nothing illegal about that lmao
@Sander Cohen Imagine getting so riled up over a gaming console, no wonder this country is in such a state lmao
A very big thank you to everyone who’s responsible for robbing scalpers! We wish there’s a way we can contribute to fund your services!
only that is illegal, and scalping is not
@@jacobhenderson5499 it is
@@zGAMERz111 Erm no, it's not - can you reference me a case in the UK where anyone has been prosecuted for buying a legal item, therefore owning it, and selling it on an online marketplace?
what u mean robbing scalpers?
@@jacobhenderson5499 Well it needs to be made Illegal they need to make them start paying fines for doing it
Omar's mother should win an award; comedic gold! Loved the realistic outbursts!
Console scalpers are the lowest of low..
Been after a PS5 from day one, never was able to get one, and now it's been almost 2 years I'm longer interested and I'm not gonna ever pay scalper for rip off prices.
I come to realise ps5 does not exist
I don’t blame you but don’t give up you just have to out smart those scalpers karma is already dealing with them they are getting beat up and robbed now and thats their own fault for being greedy
PlayStation direct bro trust
Well people like Jack broke my addiction to PS5, they can sit on all those consoles forever now! I just don't care and I bet alot of others feel the same way.
Omfg dude, jack makes my skin crawl. Hell isnt hot enough for these dudes. Pure greed. I don’t understand how you can sell something that’s $500 for $2,000. Absolute scumbags
IF splitting multi-packs and re-sell individually is illegal, so should scalping.
That is not true at all, once someone buys a multi-pack it is their product and they can split and sell the product however they like. If the manufacturer doesn’t like it then they MAY CHOOSE not to sell their product to him in the future. Please do your research before commenting something like this, it's hardly comparable.
It's the idea in a chip shortage, so many devices are just wasting away in a garage somewhere basically waiting for a ransom to be paid. Scalping should definitely be illegal for that reason and it violates warranty and liability.
Scalping should be illegal imo. They aren't entrepreneurs they're just sleazy scammers.
Its not scamming this is an horrible case of poeple getting ripped of
@@boranplaysfortnite5140 people are not being ripped off, they have a choice to buy an item that is a WANT, not a need, at a clearly displayed higher price.
@@jacobhenderson5499 No man scalpung is an ripoff. It is literally the same as buying chocolate for $1 abd selling it for $5. Chocolatd enjojers would love it but it is way too expensive due to rippers.
@@boranplaysfortnite5140 only you have the choice between buying chocolate and another equally as fulling, nutritional and calorific snack
@@jacobhenderson5499 Bro just take the L bro you lost from the begîof the argument
Look at how these scalpers are reaching for pity while at the same time saying, "this is just how the world works".
It’s a troubling blend of narcissism and sociopathy. They’re really not that different from murderers, rapists and pedophiles.
@@eanettecurtain4267 yeah I agree, someone buying (therefore owning) and then choosing to sell an item that is a WANT, not a NEED, for a higher price which is completely legal, his comparable to the acts of murderers, rapists and pedophiles.
@@jacobhenderson5499 firstly it’s not 100% legal to use bots to deceive the retailers. There is legal precedent here, it’s fraudulent and deceptive. They’re risking imprisonment and bankruptcy.
Secondly scalping voids warranties/guarantees and denies the consumer the option to insure their product to which they’re legally entitled. Scalpers don’t honour warranties and manufacturers will often say there is no warranty claim as only the original purchaser has a warranty.
Thirdly, the thought process which concludes scalping is acceptable (and also the thought process for your comment) is no different to those groups of awful people you mentioned. Those people take from their victims with absolutely no regard for anyone else as does the scalper.
Your need/want argument is severely floored and is at best clutching at straws. It also works the other way. Scalping is a want not a need. There’s plenty of worthwhile jobs for scalpers, like flipping burgers and stacking supermarket shelves.
@@jacobhenderson5499 it’s not legal to circumvent protections retailers have put in place to prevent scalping if that involves using fake names and addresses and credit cards that don’t belong to you.
The need/want argument is floored. You don’t need a device which allows you to post comments on UA-cam. Scalpers don’t need to scalp in order to live when there’s universal credit. Are you really such a narcissist to think that you get to decide what are needs and wants?
@@dwayne_dibley 1) not all scalpers use bots, a lot of them can do it manually and very effectively, if bots became illegal, scalping would still exist, but currently it's not, and the MP who tried to put the bill through had it rejected.
2) Warranties are void to a certain extent but again, this is not illegal - customers are made completely aware of this by eBay before purchasing, plus the 1 year manufacturers warranty on playstation 5 consoles is completely transferrable to the next recipient.
3) Again, I don't really understand at what point these people become "victims" - I'd only argue this was the case if someone was buying up a necessity, for example what was happening with loo roll and hand sanitiser, someone else gave an example of water then yes - morally wrong. But at the end of the day this is a £500 games consoles, there are other games consoles out there e.g. PS4 and the buyer is fully aware of their purchase, and is clearly not coerced into doing so by anyone.
In legal terms your arguments are completely incorrect, there is no fraud/deception that takes place anywhere, the only thing I could possibly see thats wrong with it is tax dodging, but most scalpers declare their profits via self assessment.
I think you're the one clutching at straws, people will keep doing it at the end of the day, don't hate the player hate the game, and if scalping via bots becomes illegal, people will just continue to do it manually, there's nothing illegal about a free market!
In the US, S.3276 - Stopping Grinch Bots Act of 2021 This bill makes it unlawful to use automated tools (i.e., bots) to intentionally bypass a website's security measures in order to purchase and resell its products or services in interstate commerce. I haven't heard a lot about it being discussed.
I thought Omar's segment was also worthy of an award. Or a full-length movie. Very well done. This is one of the best episodes I've seen.
It should be illegal to advertise and/or sell any product in production for MORE than the RRP.
That would stop those buying at RRP then selling them for more on any website (like Ebay). Auctions for example would have to offer a 'buy it now' at the full RRP option to stop them going over.
It wouldn't stop people buying and then selling if they don't want it - but most they can get is their full money back. It also doesn't affect Antique/limited edition collectors pieces because they are no longer in production so don't have 'current' RRP.
Of course, if people refused to buy these from Scalpers, they'd stop or be left with stock they'd lose money on...
Fortunately, I got my Series X pre-ordered for Launch but had to register with a retailer so they'd contact me to order when they had stock so I could get my PS5 - which I got about 3months after launch because I refuse to buy from a Scalper with no warranty and could scam you too!!
Jacks smile is the most punchabul ive seen in a while
Got news for all scalpers I don't want one anymore you have ruined it for me and everyone else.
Scalpers are terrible and that's because what they do is not complicated. It just goes against the moral values of everyone else, so they just shamelessly take advantage of this fact to get rich. Even that last guy, what an asshole, he was afraid of losing his house. Well, guess what, most of us can't afford a house. I have to pay rent month after month. If you dropped the price of your house, I'm sure you could sell it, move in a smaller house and use the extra to cover medical bills and so on.
But these guys scalping electronics are probably the same ones who scalp the housing industry, so they don't like it when they have to drop the price. I'm sure it's awful making less than 50x on your investment.
I personally just ordered an RTX 3080 with a $300 "scalping tax" (which stores also apply if we're fair) and I could flip my GTX 1080 and cover that, because my graphics card is overpriced as well. In fact, on the second hand market it costs more than I paid for the whole PC 3-4 years ago. It just goes against my moral values to try to rip off a kid or some other gamer.
There's no excuse other than being an utter scumbag.
i couldnt agree more. well put. i wish there was a law Against scalping.
Except there is an excuse, it's not illegal and they aren't essential goods, so you could even argue against the 'moral' point by saying people become too emotionally attached to their games consoles and lose focus on the most important things in life.
@@jacobhenderson5499 that isn't an excuse for being a scumbag
scalpers are easilly defeated. Dont buy. There are always suckers buying. No buyers, the price comes down.
not everyone is broke, lots of people got money where paying a scalper is like buying a coffee
It should be a federal crime to own a bot to be honest with you it should result in jail time
I don't condone what these people do but at the end of the day they aren't the ones making you pay over the odds for rare items. I want a PS5 as much as the next person but I will only pay a sensible price, so will wait.
They are depriving you of the fair marketplace. They are scum.
I just imagine them laughing evilly as they sit on huge amounts of stock ... And then the market changes and they're stuck with all that stock! Evil laugh 😈😈
@@robdavis8556 Only that's not what happens, they sell them on straight away to people who are happy to pay a higher price for convenience
@@jacobhenderson5499 with your other comments I can tell you’re a desperate scalper😂
@@alipetuniashow desperate? I’ve made 50 grand off the PS5 shortage 😂
just watched this episode on BBC didn't know it was a month old
it is the proxies that are illegal. as you showed, at just under seven minutes in, bots cannot operate from a single IP, they need to be able to appear to be coming from all over, to escape detection. these proxies are hacked computers, all over the world, collated into "botnets" and sold on the black market. it is the use of proxies that makes these people criminal. may i ask why you did not cover this?
Curries, Argos and others get their cuts, because they provide distribution network and final cost agreed with the brand manufacturer (Sony). Whereas Scalping doesn't add value to distribution, they hoards, instead they jack up the price without manufacturer acknowledgement.
It does technically add value, it's a common misconception that scalpers 'hoard' consoles, they do not - they buy them from retailers and sell them straight on. It would be completely illogical to hold onto something that has an infinite supply. Scalpers also sell all their stock, to people who want consoles, so even if scalping didn't exist, the same amount of consoles would still be produced, and demand would stay exactly the same, they would still be out of stock absolutely everywhere. Scalpers offer the opportunity of convenience for a higher price, and people will pay for it!
People who Scalp should be named and anything they buy should gets marked up 1000%
Scalping should be illegal
Big Bold and Chuffed to bits.
Isn't the Valve Index universally considered a financial success? Not sure the guy they interviewed knew exactly what he was talking about. As for their other products, yeah I'm sure they bombed.
Yes the Index is a huge success. Who the hell is this nobody James Binns of Network N anyway?
No one really bought it compared to the meta quest 2.
People would rather use the meta quest than the index, yea it was a fail lol
Yes.
Simply: don’t buy from them. That’s the solution.
By the same logic high frequency trading (HFT) on stock and other asset markets should also be outlawed as it only benefits the major banks with deep pockets at the expense of the little guy
If big corporations bought all of the water in the world and they sold it for $€£20+ per liter woul you still biy it? This is about in hand products not online ways to make money....
@@boranplaysfortnite5140 in that case, there would be a revolution and people will swarm those private companies and forcefully try to get access to water and there will be a full blown war. Stop comparing the incomparable.
@@boranplaysfortnite5140 water is a need, a £500 games console is a want, not comparable
@@jacobhenderson5499 I see you do not know what an example is huh?
It is the exact same principle. It is like buying an kid bike for $100 and selling it for $700
@@boranplaysfortnite5140 it's not a good example though, you're ignoring the moral line between wants and needs which is a very basic economic concept and actually makes the practice of scalping justifiable.
Mr Chapman for PM
If i were him I would have pun him and stole all the ps5's from him when he said "people won't care" and basically treating it like a actual businesses, this not only disrespectful to Gamers, but to Parents who want to get their children a console, and Entrepreneurs who actually work for their money.
Just buy a PS4 instead then, or wait!
@@jacobhenderson5499 I see you in almost every comment defending scalpers dude, that fucking sad
@@abztrackt that’s because I am one, I’ve made £50k and counting off the PS5 shortage
@@jacobhenderson5499 we’re getting closer to finding the storage location “Jacob”. V for vendetta.
@John Smith scalpers aren't enemies they are dickheads, it's not just consoles but collector's editions, cards, exclusive items that aren't available like before thanks to these scammers and there isn't so much people can do to stop them because they use bots and have the money and time to do it. Stop defending them
he is not wrong really. Barclays, Bank of Scotland, the Government, Amazon, Microsoft, they all manipulate the markets in sm how, but nobody sees or complain about it..
Stockmarket is exact the same scheme yet is widly accepted?!
Omars reports are too enthusiastic
Amazon and ebay in a nutshell. Don't buy. Scalpers are out that money if no one buys from them. just don't buy from a non-authorized reseller. Simple. Do scalpers report all of their income? Do you need a license to sell over xx of an item before you are considered a dealer of said item.? Does he have enough insurance if he were to lose his inventory in a disaster?
Yes, scalpers do report their income through self assessment
scalping and botting are 2 very different things. Bots bypass all security checks, they bypass limits on buying and jump the entire line in many instances. It creates artificial demand. A person like me and you buying a game console, car, a ticket and the value of that product is lets say $100 vs a $75 MSRP why in the world would I sell for $75? What are people going to complain about next? House flipping? Retail profit margins? How about brands that sell a shoe for $300 but it costs $20 to make, $10 per to market and $5 to ship? "Value" is a slippery slope. Botting should be illegal or retailers should put in better safeguards against it. Scalping is another conversation. The bot owner that was interviewed here is a douchebag
house flipping? what lol people are mad at this because it ruins their hobbies.
I can’t believe you haven’t mentioned the launch of the Mac Studio in ‘The week in tech’… the main new product…
Jim White…slow sports news….this month we have an insight into the issues in Hong Kong
they got scared of the price
@@PixelVogue Lol!!
I don’t think their production schedule gave them enough time. They probably have to finalise their show mid-week.
8:29 and here is the lie. There is no extra step or added value.
Except there is, it's essentially a fee for being able to buy the product at your convenience. There's a common misconception that scalpers 'hoard' their stock, they don't, the guy in this video has simply done it for aesthetic. They like to get their stock out the door as quick as possible, and people buy them at the higher prices, if scalping didn't exist it wouldn't have an effect on the main issue which is the overall supply.
@@jacobhenderson5499 Buying the product at a convenience by holding it hostage for a higher price is not a service.
@@Lasagnaisprettycool they're not holding it hostage though, people pay for it pretty quickly, as I said it's a common misconception that they hoard them
@@jacobhenderson5499 It's being held until a higher than MSRP sum is paid. How long it's out of rotation is irrelevant. It's occupied and not in the hand of someone that wants to use the product, with the sole purpose of gaining money out of a shortage with high demand.
@@Lasagnaisprettycool Yes but again theres nothing wrong with it lmao, it's just supply and demand, again the item is a want, not a need, and buyers are fully aware of their purchasing decision
Scalping is just the logical step in a capitalist society run amok. Hate the game, not the player blah blah. Although it doesn’t help that players like Bayliss have such punchable faces…
same reasoning jack used, we get it, you don't give a crap
@@klipk7296 clearly you don’t with such a vapid and petulant response lol…
theres no chip shortage
Scalpers, they are selling things people "Want" not "need", nobody needs a gaming console, they are not important things, just people trying to escape something, identify what that is and fix it, life will improve.
Try telling that to your 6 year old kids
Buying things, then selling at a profit. . Not medicines. The practices there are far worse.
The problem with the scaloers is they don't make political donations.
A real non issue.
calling 911 on scalper on those stolen ps5 if you buy from scalper you will get banned from sony