TNG did LeVar Burton dirty
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Geordi was one of the first times I saw a black man on TV that wasn’t a stereotype. He wasn’t into hip hop or basketball, he wasn’t a gangster, he wasn’t a Gary Stu cool guy because the writer wanted to show how not racist he was. He was just an ordinary, awkward guy that happened to save the day with his brains instead of his muscles or a gun. That came at the price of him also being a bit of an awkward nerd, but he still tried. His failures made him more endearing as a character, not less.
In comparison Worf is a culturally rich warrior, a good son, and attempts to be a good father. He's a model for any man
Reasons why I love star trek
@@haddy106Worf: “I have a son?”
@@haddy106attempts is being generous word concerning word and fatherhood 😂
Geordie was awkward af with women. He was written as an awkward but extremely intelligent engineer nerd, who went about trying to get women in a way that A LOT of men go about it in real life (and fail miserably as well). He tried romantic settings, tried to activate his emotional side, trying to charm women that were out of his league, wasn't self aware enough to know he was being cringy, had no game... He also had an obvious physical disability. A modern man of our own era in Geordie's position would have the same amount of luck as Geordie did. He just isn't smooth! Yes the writers could have written him differently. BUT to be fair - Worf, played by a black man, was a strong confident warrior who was afraid of nothing. He landed Troi AND courted and the won the magnificent Jadzia Dax (in ST DS9). Geordie just drew the writers short straw.
The thing is that Levar himself is a pretty charismatic man and it bleeds through to his performance. It's like if they cast Will Smith to play Steve Urkel.
@@ANullAssault can you imagine Will Smith as the host of Reading Rainbow 😂 Do you see what I mean?
That’s true, but it’s also true that Geordi plots involving him creeping on women got really repetitive fast. If you wanna go the route of him being a cringy nerd, then I think you either have to give him that moment of self-realization and let him grow as a character or else have Troi or Picard sit him down and get him to knock it off. It’s just weird that in what’s supposed to be a new age utopia, you have what amounts to harassment going on and it’s just never addressed.
I mean this is Berkman we’re talking about so I shouldn’t act so surprised, but still!
Yeah, the writers of that generation probably thought they were pretty edgy writing an awkward science nerd who is black.
@@Vee_9001
Geordi wasn't creepy. Just very innocent and naive. A lot of us were back in the day.
Yeah this is what I was thinking. Being game-less isn't a crime. He knew how to take a "No" when he got one.
Innocent and naive is creepy if you're ugly but charming if you're good looking
@@brandonlink6568go outside and touch grass
No, he also did some creepy stuff. 😅 like, talking to a stranger about how they used to do their hair a certain way, because he already dated her hologram?
That's some creepy stalker vibes.
@@FFKonoko but women like it when you notice they've changed their hair
LeVar actually said that he would come back in picard season 3 only if his love life was good and normal and he had a family. He was just as upset as you guys were.
Then when they finally wrote an episode where a hot woman is interested in him and he has no interest in her!
I literally heard that tune in my head when you said "you don't have to take his word for it"
🎵 du-DUN _DUN_ 🎵
🤣😭
Geordie was awesome, great hubby and dad material! Writers can't handle that often, they got it better in DS9.
Sisko is still best captain!
@@thatonea-hole Totally agree Sisko nailed it, my fav Captian!
@@7uhv Sure, Sisko was doing very well as a father and husband, until he left Kasidy Yates with a bun in the oven to be with worm hole aliens. Even he had his issues......
@@davidhenderson3988 didn't think it was his choice
Worf and O'Brien became much better characters in DS9. Too bad Geordi never got that crossover.
Omg the reading rainbow joke at the end just caught me off guard 😂😂😂
Just one of the tropes of the late 80s early 90s. Engineers are nerds. That's why he's Datas best friend.
Unlike the 60's then where they viewed engineers as gigachads, if Scotty is anything to go by.
@@RJALEXANDER777I was alive for the second half of the 90s when they were just starting to see nerds as people 🤣
@@RJALEXANDER777 kinda yea. An engineer was seen as your local mechanic
Meanwhile, Data got laid in season 1! 😅
Geordi LaForge was a classic Nerd. The girls that Geordi liked, never liked him. And the ones that liked him, he never liked. It's been a struggle for Nerds since the dawn of Sci Fi. He wasn't creepy, he was just misunderstood like most men are.
"No dood if he's not crushing pussy he's an incel haha even his actor said it was lame."
Because all actors are writers. Also, Geordi not being fucking perfect is *a perfectly valid character*.
he had the same experience most of the men who watched the show had
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Butterflies in the sky
LeVar Burton is going to cry
Take a look, Burn a book
Reading rainbow.
Exactly 😆
I'm still hoping we get a LaForge/Data spin-off. Just like a single season side quest. 😂
He is married with two daughters in Picard, season 3
Now I want to see a buddy comedy where Geordie and Harry Kim team up to find dates
They're two wild and crazy guys!
They both end up with Klingon women cause thats the only ones that can handle/ tolerate them lol
@@maarekstele2998You say that like it’s a bad thing….
@@shuboy05 i did? I wasn't trying to
Harry got plenty of tail, remember? There was an entire episode devoted to him getting laid, and learning he probably should've worn a rubber. He also nearly got a Klingon woman without even trying.
Ensign Harry Kim from Voyager.. same thing.. never gets promoted (in main timeline), never gets the girl, never truly become an ongoing confident character.
I mean he had a gf waiting for him back home so that would explain a motive for if he never really wanted to be too committed except when chemically induced to and stuff..
Well by Picard he seems to have gotten it together, as he has a daughter that is a helmsperson.
Two daughters! I believe we’re going to see the other daughter when we finally see Geordi.
Spoilery @$$… ::grumble grumble::
@@westmcgee9320 the kids are from a TNG movie thats like over 20 years old lmao its no spoiler
@@supershot9729 what TNG movie mentions daughters?
This doesn’t match my memory OR movies in which he bemoans never having had children.
@@shuboy05 Yup, and it's his real life daughter Mica.
In Transfigurations, he actually did get with Christy.
He was the reason I started to watch startrek in the first place! He is pretty much the reason I love sifi.... lol
Yeah, I remember how excited I was when I was a kid seeing LeVar Burton on Star Trek. As far as I was concerned, he was the star of the show.
@@Phlebas so true!
Why does every main character have to end up with every perfect trait by the end of a show? Why can't he just be a genius level engineer who will always be socially awkward? What's wrong with that?
This!!!!!
I don't really see anyone arguing that point in this video? Not all character growth has to make someone perfect, there's an ocean between creepy and lady-killer. Even in Burtons quote he's just lamenting the feeling that his character was treated differently, not that he should've become a silver-tongued smooth-talker.
@@Deadriser he was lamenting that his character didn't get more cool. You're just splitting hairs.
@@IdealConscience thank you
What is he talking about unconscious bias? The man was living the nerd life, and he finished the nerd dream when he found another nerd to love and establish a family with. Clearly, he didn't understand his own character.
He's a typical nerd: he's into science, he's blind without his glasses, his best friend is a computer and his girlfriend is imaginary.
"How bad could he be"......Bill Cosby was considered a good family man. Even his stand up was clean.
I love this bit piece about Geordie. The reading rainbow part was funny too.
Gordi is a 'nice guy'
That was a very minor part of the character! Geordie was an awesome engineer and perfect Star Fleet Officer. Maybe the best!?
Let no one ever say an unkind word about Lavar Burton. That man was the reason a lot of kids could read in the 80s.
If I'm right. In the episode Q-Who ensign Sonya Gomez had a thing for him but he didn't feel the same way. Interesting side note. The actress that played Sonya Gomez also played the 3 boob woman in Total Recall.
“He made Reading Rainbow, how bad can he be?”
Hey remember Bill Cosby?
For years people thought he was a good man because of all the family content he did….. how did that pan out?
Never judge an actor by their roles, otherwise you will be wondering why your jello taste funny.
Some deep cuts in the reading rainbow references
Le Var was an actor on an iconic show with a legendary creator, Roddenberry. Don't think he really cared.
I literally put in the video one of several interviews where he was mad about it.
@@NewbieStarTrek he also kept signing back on. "Mad" is a relative term.
Money will overcome lots of anger.
I was at salt lake comic con and watched his panel to a full theater. Levar joked how the writers gave the emotionless robot get more sex then geordi and how ridiculous the writers kept him as the awkward nerd. The whole house broke into laughter. Charming guy for sure.
That's why Picard season 3 is kind of tragic. Finally gets the girl aaaaaaand, it's off-screen. 😢
I felt that Geordi was purposely underused. We saw everyone's family. Multiple episodes of Deanna's mother and Data an Android super extended family complete with grandfather, mother, father and brother. Riker's father and transporter brother Dr. Crusher's aunt and ghost lover. Picard's brother, nephew, and sister-in-law. Worf's parents and son. Dead Tasha Yar's sister.
All that and they only have one episode showing Geordi's father over a computer screen to tell him his mother is missing. Did they even consider him as part of the cast. Tasha Yar alternate reality daughter got more screen time.
At least they kind of addressed this in Picard. (Extremely minor spoiler)
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He is married with kids in the future... so it might have taken him a few decades, but he got it all together something like 10 years after the end of TNG.
They just wrote him as an awkward smart nerdy guy. Those types of hyper intelligent guys often times have difficulty with women.
If anything, Levar Burton portraying Geordie was the opposite of racism. Back then black people would have never been cast in the role of a smart nerdy engineer.
The real reason he never “found love” was because he was a smaller side character. There’s only so much time in every episode. So the writers had to have the main characters fall in love first. Then, if you have time, you write the side characters falling in love….which they evidently didn’t have time to do with Geordie.
The da duh duh at the end got the like for the video. XD
I bet Levar has about a million times the game of Geordi.
Look at Bashir in DS9...
The cute chick at the bar (Played by Julie Warner, who was also the love interest in Tommy Boy starring Chris Farley R.I.P) straight up looks like Amelia Clarke (from Game of Thrones).
That ending was gold to whomever actually remembers reading rainbow! 😂
His character was more or less minored from someone from the cast or from a producers friend. He was highly intelligent with good social skills and should have been more balanced in relationships. But this character should NEVER be perceived as disappointing!
He also did roots
"He made Reading Rainbow how bad could he be?"
He had the whole galaxy, and still never found love 😢
I always thought it was strange about Christie Henshaw. First, Geordi had that awkward holodeck date with the gypsy violins, and she was zero interested. Then, later that same year, he got zapped vyllvy the aliens and slhad more confidence and, suddenly, she interested in gmhim!
Geordi definitely had the "Nice Guy Syndrome"
Dude, he's not "creepy" lol,....he's awkward. Creepy is an ENTIRELY different thing!
I remember one time on the show this alien was going through a change and some energy came off of him and went into Gordie. it gave him like a 10% upgrade on carisma. and then nothing.
LOL, you guys are great.
At least he wasn't as bad as Howard Wolowitz.
Honestly, he's my 2nd favorite character next to Data, it's surprisingly realistic that a top of the line Sci-fi engineer who's probably focused more on his work and studies would be unknowledgeable to an extent in socialization with the opposite sex. But they do oversell it a bit making his attempts for connection seem creepy and even pathetic at points, But I think it definitely exaggerates the episode they play in this clip, him being able to find a lid to his pot therefore means more. Even though she's a simulated version of the real deal. Proving that maybe he'd just need to find someone with common ground rather than someone who just looks good at the time. Idk man.
One could surely argue that this was something that happened quite a bit for black male characters on 80’s shows. The absence of a female love interest on many t.v. Shows was rampant during this time. Benson is one example that comes to mind and there are more. Juxtapose this with white male characters who were commonly casted with having a female love interest and one can see that African Americans actors on television were not written with female love interests. At least they made it up by developing Worf’s character to have a female love interest.
Whats the reason? White male ego? Masculine competition?
He had a number of love interests they just didn’t work out. It happens in real life.
That edit at the end XD
Geordi did get the woman eventually because his daughter was a helmsman in the series Picard, Which ripped off Sulu & his daughter in Generations
Yeah, the issue is Geordi is awkward and naive in some scenes/episodes and creepy in others. I think it would have went a long way to making Geordi less creepy if either you completely delete the Dr Brahms episode or you have him apologize at the end of the episode instead of having Dr Brahms apologize. The bullshit of "I just wanted to be your friend" just makes him look like a creep when it was clear it wasn't just friendship he was after.
Geordi was redeemed in Star Trek Picard
I wish I were Levar Burton.
WARPSPEED! Dont rainbow read me nigga!
You guys have clearly never seen "Dummy" a 1979 TV movie where Levar Burton plays a deaf mute man accused of killing a prostitute... He was no gentleman in that movie lol.
From The Greatest Gen podcast, "the android got more action than Geordi. Bullshit."
It must be the visor.
I think his attitude has a lot to do with how often he was jumping starships with his parents. They were rarely assigned together so he would jump from one starship to another a lot. To combat that, he focused on the scientific journey instead of his lack of stability. He's a very gifted engineer because of it, but he lacks in the social department as a price.
It was very cleverly written... or worked with well after the fact so he had an excuse for being so awkward in the past. Otherwise he's just plain creepy for no reason 😂
I had to edit for this.... I NEVER KNEW HE ACTUALLY PRODUCED READING RAINBOW! He was the host and my first TV crush but 8 never knew he was more. Wow
LeVar has quietly accomplished a LOT in his life
Levar Burton wanted to be a priest.
Hence the awkward
if that was dirty wait till they find out how they did to the tortured chief O'Brian and Ensign Kim or even Tasha Yar. it's probably just the operations uniforms the red shirts were expendable and the yellow shirts were tortured souls.
Geordi was basically Berman incarnate
Trying to play the race card in that interview is a bit sketchy. It was more the character being awkward and sadly never being written out of that phase. Worf had relationships. Troy, Dax, the mother of Alexander. Worf was played by a black man so idk if saying “Geordie didn’t get laid because he was black and the white writers were racist” is truthful/accurate.
Geordi and Riker weren't, in my opinion, cast very well. And this was my opinion from back when the series started, and continues til today. Remember: It's my opinion only.
I actually think that this whole premise is flawed, he ends up marrying Leah Brahms - and it's not that he goes after her when she's not receptive - it's that he falls in love with a Holodeck version of her who is of course totally receptive because she's artificial. Then he meets the real her, she's not happy that he has preconceptions about her based on his Holodeck experiences and feels violated by the Holodeck recreating her without her permission. But because Jordy is such an awesome guy and because his intentions are pure she warms up to him and realizes she misjudged him at first, and they fall in love and get married. I don't think he's a creep at all
He has an awkward date in another episode and people have combined this all into some narrative that just isn't accurate.
If it wasn't for that one date on the beach in the Holodeck I don't think anyone would have created this stereotype of Geordie.
Why didn’t they show Geordie’s Wife in Picard? Who is Geordie’s Wife??
"He made Reading Rainbow, how bad could he be?"
Would this be a bad time to point out that one of the bits that would happen during Reading Rainbow was Picture Pages with.... ahem... Bill Cosby?
for the record I am not saying "levar burton is a bad person for having bill cosby on reading rainbow." what I am saying is "he made reading rainbow" is not a sufficient measuring stick for "probably is a nice person (especially to women)"
an engineer that's awkward with women? This is truly the most incredible thing on the show
But he gets married and has children, so it works out in the end.
The black dude on a white tv show in the 80s and early 90s hardly ever claps cheeks lol since interracial dating is usually a no no on these shows. They made it work with Worf since he was an alien. Usually they'll get a black female guest star to act as a temporary love interest which I think they actually did on this show.
It's kind of weird given the society the Federation has. There should be plenty of women amazed at his career and accomplishments. Possibly even experts seeing him as a contemporary that would want to meet him. He's also an attractive man. Maybe if they'd let him grow that beard, he'd have had more luck.
Levar Burton is solely responsible for getting me into bowling
Bowling?
@NewbieStarTrek yeah man, there was a reading rainbow episode that Levar was hosting that covered the how Ebonite Bowlin balls are made
Oh dang!
ROOTS!
now lying is creepy.................
LaForge and Bashir the incels of Star Trek
He had that one girl didn't he..with the dog?
They do smear thing to ensign Kim on Voyager
How bad could he be cut to all the child show hosts that were bad
Even Data got laid in the next generation. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DATA!!!
Followed by
Worf
Riker
Troi
Picard.
All of them boldly went to bed with someone!🤣
And Lavar Burton has pretty daughter that does cosplay
I'm no Star Trek expert. But wasn't it just 2 episodes with the lady scientist? How many episodes did he have lady problems with?
so you DON'T wish you were LeVar Burton?
He's a crazy now..
no they didnt
If there were evidence or complaints in LeVar Burton's past, he certainly would have been cancelled several times over by now.
Big Bang Theory
La Forge eventually got it together.
“ST: Picard” season 3 takes place decades after this, and you find out he has a couple kids. One of those kids is played by Burton’s real life daughter, Mica.
LaVar it's SUCH A GOOD GUY. Look up his interview about FAN MAIL. Ultimate nice guy
I didn't know he actually addressed it. He was actually one of the more famous actors on the show. And his character was treated so badly.
I also think the visor really sucked ass to wear which is why I'm sure he forced them to ditch it for the movies lol
Is it really icky when its made clear hes awkward more than anything? Like hes not shown to be perverted
Making an exact hologram of someone so you can do weird sexy stuff with them without their consent is pretty icky
They wouldn't let him keep his beard because they knew he looked too good and might have out did Riker's😊
He was KUNTA KENTE! I love TNG, but they way under-rated him. Too bad.
Geordi wasn't creepy, he was awkward AF. There IS a difference.
I think it worked, that's the way it is in real life. He was nerdy and didn't know what to do with women.
Harry Kim I think had it worse than Geordi
Atleast he isn't Barkley am I right hahaha
it must be a chief engineer thing, scotty was even worse. "who mourns for adonis" is one of the funniest original series episodes ever. the greek god keeps making moves on this woman thats not even into scotty so he keeps trying to rush apollo. he gets zapped by lightnig with a wave of the hand like 4 times.
TNG is the Picard and Data show. The rest of the characters are kinda flat.
Wesley is "boy genius".
Warf is "Noble Warrior".
Jordi is "Brilliant Engineer Nerd".