Planning to do some breakdown-ish of how different teams perform/play since they pretty much ends up in the same range and it's a matter of investment which does better. It's not my type of thing to do and I'm mega bad at explaining things. Hypercarry Kafka is also a thing that lots been doing already, maybe I join that train xdd
Would appreciate it, i think, so low difference is only actual because prefarmers have really good result(3-4 cycles clear mostly). Probably good method for comparison in actual MoC is lowering character's stats, but i don't know, how to make this comparison honest then. Solo DoT(kafka only) and double DoT are most interesting teams for me, will wait for your updates!
Great video! That LC is the one i plan to use in my Kafka and that team seems to be the one i would run too. Any advice for different setup for Sampo Relics ? Also How about Serval? Mine is at E6
Serval is currently the highest single dot damage scaler "if we dont count fully stacked sampo" However you need to build her as sub dps with crits due to the nature of her kit So it can work However your serval needs to hit hard
Full Wind set is good, I prefer 2p Wind 2p Atk if it's all about his personal dmg, 2p Wind 2p speed is also good, I just kept his 4p Musketeer since I don't have any better and the stats I have on it are pretty good. It all depends on how you play Sampo in your team, but you pretty much want most of your units at 134 or higher speed (more sp and energy generation to keep the debuffs on), the faster the better. I prefer building full crit scaling Serval esp with max Eidolons, some ppl do hybrid break-crit since she is very reliable on breaking with how fast she gets her ult back. You can fit Serval in this team over Luka for more counterplay with element weakness, performance should be around the same given the same-ish amount of investment. Serval is also a strong hypercarry so if you plan on building more units than needed and Hoyo drops a stage that has both lightning weakness on both sides, she can handle the other half as hypercarry (Serval, sustain + 2 buffer/debuffer).
All the micro managing is so satisfying to watch. Seeing all DoT unit work together in harmony is great. Now I understand why people don't prefer this setup. It just to expansive and time consuming to raise these 3 characters. And 3 DoT unit is too squishy. No wonder people try to justify solo Kafka (still good btw) and save resources for future 5* DoT unit. But all in all, I definitely prefer this type of playstyle and build my Luka. My Kafka and Sampo is already built.
It is def expensive both upgrade resources and battle resources (skill points etc.) just to perform in the same range of double DoT or even solo Kafka DoT, the main catch for this team is being able to free your Harmony/Nihility units for your other team if you lack having for both teams. Luocha makes this a lot more comfy to run but most ppl that have Luocha pairs him with other hypercarries. and yes, the dopamine when you see all that DoT procs is pretty funny to see.
2:40 I was confused at first why you weren't using your Skill but you auto attack so the DOT stack doesn't get over written? Idk how DOT works but that's how it works what I'm assuming?
As mentioned already, I was saving as much skill points as possible and he can apply DoT with his basic as well to refresh the duration. Now comes the Nerdge part, after Sampo's turn here, a new cycle starts and I already know that I'm killing him in this cycle so what I want to do during this cycle is to make the most out of it by saving skill points and energy as much as possible and have my team be healthy enough to tank the first few hits on wave 3, with this set up it allows me to full greed on my first turn and set up my burst DoTs for the next cycle to deal as much dmg as I can.
That's totally fine (I'm a Serval enjoyer myself) and can be better for more element counterplay, performance wise they are about the same and it's just the amount of investment who does better. I just really want to show this team for the dopamine it brings when you see all the DoT proc at once xdd.
This depends entirely on your team set up, I play Sampo as a traditional debuffer and not care too much about his own dmg output. I'm using Energy Regen for more ult uptime without having to use a lot of skill points, ATK is still good and performs just about the same, in terms of clear times it's just +1 or -1 cycle in MoC depending on RNG. This team I used here all the DoT units enable each other, I built them to make each other shine.
Very late and you probably got an answer xdd but ye, I think it doesn't matter too much what build you are doing, just that for me I built my Sampo as a traditional support-ish so pretty much your sp generator so I gave him ERR rope for his energy gain to be as close as possible to using skills for energy but with only basics if that makes sense. I only use his skill if I need to break the enemy to delay their nukes or if I need his ult to burst dmg to bosses on current cycle. For Lukatim, depending on the overall dmg of your team is tied to his sp usage I feel, like for me I only use his skill/ult once per boss as they die before they expire and I use his skill + enhanced basic to even out boss hp's (on a 3 DoT team Kafka tends to kill 1 boss faster with her skill on a double boss setting in higher MoC floors) so I don't overkill and spend Kafka's turns alternating skill usage on bosses just so I don't overkill 1 boss, he's sort of an equalizer for me. I uploaded another similar set up and although it's 4 DPS team it should portray the sp management I'm talking about here pretty well and helps you understand it more. Hope this helps xdding
May i ask can i replace Luka with SW since im drained out the f my resources to build Sampo and Kafka,I know Bleed is the best against boss especially since it scales of max hp so Kafka frequently detonating it make bosses melt like butter...also im out of LC of Nihility to put on Luka(don't have his LC unfortunately)
You can and for your situation you should use SW if she isn't that much needed on your other team, they perform around the same range with relatively close investments. They announced that we will have a new Nihility LC on Herta's shop so maybe wait for that on 1.3. Many LC and team combinations perform just about the same and it's just varies from investment which does better, the main catch on this team is being able to flex your Harmony/Nihility (def shred supports) to your other team and also it's just funny to see all the DoT proc at once.
@@kapuminyozora7845 I know, but I'm talking about replacing Sampo. You can play a dot team with Kafka, Sampo, a debuffer (Pela, SW or Welt) and a healer (Bailu, Luocha or Natasha). Only Kafka as a DoT applicator won't be enough unless you play and build her as a Hypercarry DPS
Luka is super weak, hes single target bleed DOT. If the enemy has no phys. weakness, Luka deals like 600dmg to them on lvl 70... Its better to just run Kafka with Sampo, healer and Buffer/debuffer
Planning to do some breakdown-ish of how different teams perform/play since they pretty much ends up in the same range and it's a matter of investment which does better. It's not my type of thing to do and I'm mega bad at explaining things. Hypercarry Kafka is also a thing that lots been doing already, maybe I join that train xdd
Would appreciate it, i think, so low difference is only actual because prefarmers have really good result(3-4 cycles clear mostly). Probably good method for comparison in actual MoC is lowering character's stats, but i don't know, how to make this comparison honest then.
Solo DoT(kafka only) and double DoT are most interesting teams for me, will wait for your updates!
this is so satisfying! thank you so much for sharing
Thank youuu
Man this is amazing
my fermata still S4... need 2 more weeks for S5
Yeah do feel that, hopefully they release another healer thats less SP reliant or that Loucha rerun comes out soonish
It is so hard to keep team alive with these healers. Loucha is the Abundance himself 🤣
Great video! That LC is the one i plan to use in my Kafka and that team seems to be the one i would run too. Any advice for different setup for Sampo Relics ? Also How about Serval? Mine is at E6
Serval is currently the highest single dot damage scaler "if we dont count fully stacked sampo"
However you need to build her as sub dps with crits due to the nature of her kit
So it can work However your serval needs to hit hard
Full Wind set is good, I prefer 2p Wind 2p Atk if it's all about his personal dmg, 2p Wind 2p speed is also good, I just kept his 4p Musketeer since I don't have any better and the stats I have on it are pretty good. It all depends on how you play Sampo in your team, but you pretty much want most of your units at 134 or higher speed (more sp and energy generation to keep the debuffs on), the faster the better.
I prefer building full crit scaling Serval esp with max Eidolons, some ppl do hybrid break-crit since she is very reliable on breaking with how fast she gets her ult back. You can fit Serval in this team over Luka for more counterplay with element weakness, performance should be around the same given the same-ish amount of investment. Serval is also a strong hypercarry so if you plan on building more units than needed and Hoyo drops a stage that has both lightning weakness on both sides, she can handle the other half as hypercarry (Serval, sustain + 2 buffer/debuffer).
Thank you for the inside tips and those are much appreciated.@@churchofthetea4273
Thank you Mistilteinn looking forward for more updates on ur end about the Boom Boom Girl !@@Mistilteinn.
I just never built any team beyond 121 speed or something gonna be a real challenge
All the micro managing is so satisfying to watch. Seeing all DoT unit work together in harmony is great.
Now I understand why people don't prefer this setup. It just to expansive and time consuming to raise these 3 characters. And 3 DoT unit is too squishy. No wonder people try to justify solo Kafka (still good btw) and save resources for future 5* DoT unit.
But all in all, I definitely prefer this type of playstyle and build my Luka. My Kafka and Sampo is already built.
It is def expensive both upgrade resources and battle resources (skill points etc.) just to perform in the same range of double DoT or even solo Kafka DoT, the main catch for this team is being able to free your Harmony/Nihility units for your other team if you lack having for both teams. Luocha makes this a lot more comfy to run but most ppl that have Luocha pairs him with other hypercarries.
and yes, the dopamine when you see all that DoT procs is pretty funny to see.
kafka is not good unit, she is the BEST unit.
2:40 I was confused at first why you weren't using your Skill but you auto attack so the DOT stack doesn't get over written? Idk how DOT works but that's how it works what I'm assuming?
He didn't use his skill to save skill points, and sampo's normal attack applys dot anyways
As mentioned already, I was saving as much skill points as possible and he can apply DoT with his basic as well to refresh the duration.
Now comes the Nerdge part, after Sampo's turn here, a new cycle starts and I already know that I'm killing him in this cycle so what I want to do during this cycle is to make the most out of it by saving skill points and energy as much as possible and have my team be healthy enough to tank the first few hits on wave 3, with this set up it allows me to full greed on my first turn and set up my burst DoTs for the next cycle to deal as much dmg as I can.
Prolly gonna use serval instead of Luka tho cause i already have her built sort of
That's totally fine (I'm a Serval enjoyer myself) and can be better for more element counterplay, performance wise they are about the same and it's just the amount of investment who does better. I just really want to show this team for the dopamine it brings when you see all the DoT proc at once xdd.
@@Mistilteinn. understandable it is pretty funny seeing a lot of numbers on screen XD
Sampo's rope are ehr? Not atk?
I wanna build him so wanna know..
This depends entirely on your team set up, I play Sampo as a traditional debuffer and not care too much about his own dmg output. I'm using Energy Regen for more ult uptime without having to use a lot of skill points, ATK is still good and performs just about the same, in terms of clear times it's just +1 or -1 cycle in MoC depending on RNG. This team I used here all the DoT units enable each other, I built them to make each other shine.
For tripple dot. How do you determine uses sp's? I know kafka always uses it but for Luka and sampo how do you determine which ones uses skill points?
Very late and you probably got an answer xdd
but ye, I think it doesn't matter too much what build you are doing, just that for me I built my Sampo as a traditional support-ish so pretty much your sp generator so I gave him ERR rope for his energy gain to be as close as possible to using skills for energy but with only basics if that makes sense. I only use his skill if I need to break the enemy to delay their nukes or if I need his ult to burst dmg to bosses on current cycle.
For Lukatim, depending on the overall dmg of your team is tied to his sp usage I feel, like for me I only use his skill/ult once per boss as they die before they expire and I use his skill + enhanced basic to even out boss hp's (on a 3 DoT team Kafka tends to kill 1 boss faster with her skill on a double boss setting in higher MoC floors) so I don't overkill and spend Kafka's turns alternating skill usage on bosses just so I don't overkill 1 boss, he's sort of an equalizer for me. I uploaded another similar set up and although it's 4 DPS team it should portray the sp management I'm talking about here pretty well and helps you understand it more.
Hope this helps xdding
@@Mistilteinn. your response greatly helps. I really appreciate the response
May i ask can i replace Luka with SW since im drained out the f my resources to build Sampo and Kafka,I know Bleed is the best against boss especially since it scales of max hp so Kafka frequently detonating it make bosses melt like butter...also im out of LC of Nihility to put on Luka(don't have his LC unfortunately)
If you can, she does very well on any team by reducing resistance and defenses, as well as adding a weakness that the enemy does not have.
You can and for your situation you should use SW if she isn't that much needed on your other team, they perform around the same range with relatively close investments. They announced that we will have a new Nihility LC on Herta's shop so maybe wait for that on 1.3. Many LC and team combinations perform just about the same and it's just varies from investment which does better, the main catch on this team is being able to flex your Harmony/Nihility (def shred supports) to your other team and also it's just funny to see all the DoT proc at once.
i also uploaded video with e0 kafka and e6 sampo / e6 luka
Do you guys think fermata s5 is better than in the name of the world s1 (welt's lc)
Certain scenarios it can be better, in the name of the world gives more attack and that’s the biggest selling point
Welt>>>>fermata cause the att and ehr
for whom ? If it's sampo then s5 fermata
I think s5 gnsw is much better than s5 fermatta for kafka, why don't you try it out?
It is, but I wanted to show Fermata dmg just because youtube audience gonna go boohoo S5 GNSW very whel dmg xdd.
Interesting, however I think I will just replace sampo with some form of debuffer
Why? Sampo is one of the bests DoT applicators for Kafka
@@wandersonvitor3054 i think he meant SW per say since she shreds def a lot or Pela for Aoe Def Shred
@@kapuminyozora7845 I know, but I'm talking about replacing Sampo. You can play a dot team with Kafka, Sampo, a debuffer (Pela, SW or Welt) and a healer (Bailu, Luocha or Natasha). Only Kafka as a DoT applicator won't be enough unless you play and build her as a Hypercarry DPS
@@wandersonvitor3054 some ppls dont like sampo personality wise
Ironically Sampo IS a debuffer lol
Luka is super weak, hes single target bleed DOT. If the enemy has no phys. weakness, Luka deals like 600dmg to them on lvl 70... Its better to just run Kafka with Sampo, healer and Buffer/debuffer