The fact that Acho was basically about to say he was gonna light Lamar up if the Ravens lost Sunday, is wild. Bro hates Lamar and cant change my mind bout it
That would have been the 2nd time he lost to the Bengals on fumble by him, so it would have made sense to in on him if they lost. Turns out, Ravens got real lucky on that missed kicked.
If lamar was 1-4 It would be segments held about league catching up with him. Would be about his turnovers! Fumble, interceptions, settling for 3 points in redzone and not showing up week 1!
When Justin Hebert was throwing for all them yards and TDs n losing, despite horrific coaching and defense, he didn't get a pass, so no he doesn't get a pass
Here is the thing. Joe Borrow doesn’t deserve the blame but this is What the narratives would’ve been if it was Lamar 1-4. “Well Lamar had great stats but why did he turn the ball over at the end? He always choke in clutch moments” “The fact that the coach did 3run play and didn’t hand the ball to Lamar in the overtime what does it say about him? and us trusting his passing ability?” Josh Allen went 9/30 for 130 yards and the narrative all week been “How the coach play calling was bad and how his receivers were bad”
@@majestyzx9081 because we seen this narratives plenty of time. Ravens were 3-1 last season and they were questioning if the Ravens were getting their money worth out of Lamar. Even this season when the ravens were 0-2 acho was basically saying Lamar alredy is past his prime.
Lamar under performs in the playoffs, also doesn’t have success winning in the playoffs. Allen has numbers and playoff wins, burrow has stats and playoff wins
@@BigE526E I love how in week 5 you have to bring up playoff success. TBF Josh Allen beating the Steelers, Dolphins x2, and Colts in Wildcard weekend is hardly playoff success. I wish Lamar could play layups in wildcard week but he's secured the 1 seed twice now, more than both Josh and Joe, so straight to the divisional round to play real teams
Chase said as a QB you're only as good as the pieces around you. So what does that say about Lamar who's never had a WR that's close to the caliber of Chase or Higgins.
Bengals never had a run game like the Ravens, or a tight end like Mark Andrews. Or a perennial top 8 defense like the Ravens. You want to paint a picture, use the entire canvas. Cherry picking one position is a terrible argument.
@@majestyzx9081That’s because Lamar was the run game. This is the first year that he will have a 1000 yard back. He’s lead his team in rushing ever year except this one. 2 of those years he didn’t finish the season, and still lead the team in rushing.
@@tjayd1225Cuz he is. He earned the 2x MVP but then they put Joe borrow (1-4) and Josh Allen Mr 9/30 for 130 yards over him. Based on resume Lamar should be the undisputed 2nd best player but they put him 4 or 5
No pass. He's responsible for 2 of the 4 losses. His bad play led to a loss against NE. His bad decision-making led to an INT at the end of regulation against Baltimore. In OT against Baltimore, he audibled out of a pass play to set his kicker up for a 50+ yard FG attempt he subsequently missed. His lack of locker room leadership has resulted in his teammates repeatedly giving bulletin board material to opponents that backfires. Chase cost his team the game against KC. Burrow had to address it when it was too late on the field because he isn't proactively addressing it behind the scenes. Chase even said he wishes Burrow was a more vocal leader. He's Kirk Cousins with more arm talent. He's just another dude on the roster. He doesn't have Mahomes leadership or presence. He has a career losing record against teams over .500. He can't win consistently with adversity like Mahomes.
To lead your team to back to back afc championship games means you have leadership in the locker room bro,you just one of dem mfs dat been waiting for burrow to lose, I wonder did u say this about him when he led his team to back to back afc championship and a super bowl
Nope, you can't give him all the credit when they win, but try to mention his teammates when he can't win. I was told that he was the next Tom Brady, I was told that he was better than Mahomes 🤷
chiefs fan here. the logic of not giving Burrow a pass because they wouldnt give lamar a pass if it was him is stupid and emotional. Burrow obviously gets a pass. this is not basketball, everyone on the field has a job to do and the QB can play lights out and still lose games if other positional players do not hold up their own, especially in close games. Burrow is statistically the best QB in the league as of right now.
As a chiefs fan to Lamar excuse makes no sense if Lamar was 12 tds and 2 ints and 1 and 4 I wouldnt blame Lamar if his defense was giving up 30 a game if burrow had a elite defense prolly at least 3 and 2 don't like burrow but really can't blame him for a historically bad defense
It is a team game but these lazy analysts blame the QBs every week for winning and losing so u can’t change now. As a chiefs can I should know especially in the playoffs yall defense be playing good but who gets all the credit? When Brady was winning SBs his defense played great most the time but who got the credit? Keep it consistent like James was saying..also with all that being said 2 of the losses including last one if burrow doesn’t make a mistake at end of game they win. How can I give u a pass when it was his late fumble vs the chiefs and INT vs Ravens that helped them lose. If Lamar played good and had late turnover (even tho his defense was bad as well) people would only blame Lamar. Just like when acho said Lamar fumbled he said he was hype to come in and blame Lamar after up til then Lamar played a good game.
He did throw a pick to let the ravens tie the game after being up 10+ 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter… He dos fumble the ball against the chiefs, they let yall back in the game.. yall talking about stats, WATCH THE GAME
Bengals are literally the ‘21 Chargers. Offense was so good and Herbert was trailing Tom Brady in every category but the defense was literally last place and the Chargers went 9-8 and missed the playoffs. Guess who didn’t get a pass for their record?
Can’t stand how QBs have a W-L record attached to their name like starting pitchers do in baseball. It’s a TEAM sport! Burrow is the LEAST of the Bengals problems
QBs are the richest players in the league, the most important person on a field, a top 2 most important person in the building at all times and are glorified into idols. They 100% deserve the W-L record attached to their name
Because Qb's score the points.. If Burrow don't force that throw and get an INT .. the Ravens lose that game because it was back and forth the whole 2nd half.. but Bengals had 10 point lead.. all the Ravens needed to catch up was a turnover and Burrow gave it to them by forcing a bad throw.
I am a Joe Burrow fan too, and it is unfortunate but it's reality. The better you are, the higher the expectations, the smaller the margin of error of is for you, simple as that. Because we expect Joe Burrow to be MVP and lead his team to Super Bowls, the margin of error is so small for him. It's unfortunate because it seems like most of their losses comes down to one bad play by him, just one. 49 good/great plays out of 50, but that one is the difference between a win and a loss. The Bengals are obviously not built to go through the adversity. We just watched Dak throw 3 picks on Sunday night and they still won the game. If that last pass is dropped or deflected, Dak is the joke of the week. Instead, the pass is completed and nobody cares about those 3 picks. the Bengals holder fumbles the ball, they miss the kick, and now Joe Burrows stats mean nothing, just like that. That's the reality of football. Dallas' defense kept the game close enough to give Dak another chance, the Bengals aren't built like that. Unfortunate for Burrow, but he does have to play perfect. it's just the reality of the situation.
The difference is when Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen go 1-4 they not puttin up 5 TDs and damn near 400yrds. I can't believe what im hearing right now, and these guys supposed to be professionals. This the most hating sht i ever heard in my life. This man is playin better than any other QB in the league right now, including patrick mahomes, and they still sayin its his fault smh 🤦🏾♂️
Shut up don’t nobody want to hear those excuses Lamar threw for 359 yards against the dolphins in 2022 3tds 70 yard td run so 4 tds guess what his defense couldn’t stop them so he lost so shut up with the excuses
When ravens was 0-2 and Lamar was over 300 total yds per game this show was killing him…Lamar defense gave up 15 pt 4th quarter lead but it was all Lamar’s fault. All people saying is treat all the QBs the same. Lamar just put up 400 total yds and 4 tDs but did u not hear Acho say when Lamar fumbled he couldn’t wait to get on the show and call him out. He didn’t blame defense or care about his stats. Why are we doing it for burrow then? Also, I wouldn’t blame burrow either except for the fact that his late game INT cost them the game.
What are you talking about Patrick Mahomes is Lamar’s daddy😂😂😂😂 Lamar is three and seven in the playoffs fanboy😂 he has never even made it to a Super Bowl. Patrick has three rings.. only way Lamar is going to have a chance at a ring is if he goes and buys one or his daddy Patrick gets hurt for a season or just says this is too easy and retires😂😂😂
@@Brickwilliamsand as bad as that defense is he would be 3-2 if he didn’t turn the ball over in both his biggest games this year in the 4th quarter.can u comprehend that? And that’s with 32nd defense
@@HollyG95 wow he isn’t allowed to make one mistake…… throws for 392 and 5 tds, one mistake all game and still his fault when his defense makes 5 mistakes per drive. Racist bum
@@Brickwilliams racist? Bum? lol get out ya emotions. His mistake in the 4th quarter lost them the lead and the game. If it had been Lamar they would have killed him just like acho said in this clip!!! I like burrow so it’s no hate I actually think the bengals going to turn it around and make playoffs as a wild card. All I’m saying is call it fair on both sides. Nothing racist about that, clown
Everyone wants to have it both ways with Burrow. His numbers weren't great when he "led" the Bengals to the Superbowl. So now that they're losing, it's shifted to "but his numbers!"
Lamar was running around like it was recess and he was fresh off of detention. That ain't got nothing to do with Joe. He doing his job. Them fools on the defense need to be answering the reporters questions.
Answer = *Not quite* . ► *Explanation* : Although Joe Burrow is a good quarterback, he has not met the [Football World's] standard for receiving a pass [for his team's 1-4 record]. So, if the Football World were to hand Burrow a pass then the Football World would be on trial (ie, not Joe Burrow). ► *Factual Background* : The Football World hasn't given passes to other good quarterbacks [for their team's losing records]. This is particularly the case when imperfections can be found in the QB's running game. More adroitly - and according to the Football World - a QB is undeserving of a pass if/when his team's running game isn't flawless. In other words, *the fair market value of a pass* is flawlessness [in the run game]. ► *Case-in-Point* : Lamar Jackson • Week 2: Lamar Jackson - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (0-2). His team was 3rd in rushing.¹ • Football World: ' _Lamar Jackson is to blame. In fact, the Ravens need to fix Lamar Jackson's playing style_ .' • Week 5: Joe Burrow - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (1-4). His team was 27th in rushing.¹ • Football World: ' _Joe Burrow deserves a pass. In fact, he is immune to criticism_ .' Exact Quotes:² " _Lamar Jackson needs to be under center. [Yet,] He's out there in shotgun; Derrick Henry is -- He would run bootlegs as well as anybody, but they don't put him under center. We've just become a copycat league. Get the quarterback -- Derek Carr [(ie, the model QB)] has been under center more than any quarterback in the league_ ." - Michael Lombardi, Expert Opinionist (Former NFL GM) _NFL on ESPN_ , 9/19/24 🏈Result: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass then it's ill-positioned to give Joe Burrow a pass. Especially since: (a) Burrow's record is far more dire; and (b) Burrow's rushing attack is extraordinarily worse. 🏈Remember: The [discriminatory] passes that you hand out [to passers] won't pass muster. 🏈Request: Use the same metrics/standards to evaluate these players. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ¹ Since Lamar Jackson's reign, the Ravens have had the league's top rushing attack. ¹ Since Joe Burrow's reign, contrarily, the Bengals have had [one-of] the league's worst rushing attacks. ² Similar/Identical sentiments were uttered by other pundits/gatekeepers (eg, Shannon Sharpe; Dan Orlovsky; etc.)
Joe is responsible for 4 of the losses: 1. His bad play performance against the Patriots at home. 2. His fumble against the Chiefs defense that got them back in the game. 3. Him and the offense inability to score in the red zone on multiple red zone opportunities. 4. The offense finally put a complete game together against the Panthers. 5. His turnover late in the 4th quarter is what got the Ravens back in the game and sent the game into Overtime.
@HollyG95 Baker has thrown 2 interceptions all year, both of which were in the first half, and they only lost one of those games. The game they did lose was not because of a INT in the 2nd quarter. So I'm not sure wtf you're talking about lol
James nailed it -- all stats aside, in the end you gotta make The Big Plays in key situations. Burrow has been blowing it when it matters most Love Joe Burrow, but no Pass
The fact that they’re even asking this question shows the Media bias towards certain players. Jalen has been to a superbowl more recently and he doesn’t get this treatment Joe Burrow gets.
Bengals fan. Gotta agree with JJ and shady. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Chiefs away and failed. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Ravens away and failed. If he's "joe brrr" Bengals should be at least 3-2
The Facility is like walking into a barbershop that is full of ex pro football players who are chopping up football games. I'm here for it. No eye-candy ladies, no non-football playing reporters who man-splain to the audience what was already said. Just, "What's your take on this?"
Burrow did fumble for a TD. But with 1minute, the offense got the lead BACK.... and handed that lead to the defense. Then a rookie committed a PI.....so his whole argument is pointless.
Was “ready to give it to Lamar when he fumbled”. But has BARELY mentioned the INT! He doesn’t even acknowledge it after Shady brings it up!!!!! No interception, no chance for the kicker to miss the kick.
Wrong question. The real question is whether or not your can reasonably expect Burrow to do more to overcome not only his own mistakes, but the no room for error afforded by the defense. The reason Lamar would get roasted in a loss would be because it wouldn't be the first time he blew it. Burrow doesn't have the history of worst mistakes at the worst times. You wouldn't accept 2 botched snaps by your QB in a win because next time it happens, the pendulum swings the other way. So keep the same energy for all of them because ain't nobody's favorite QB perfect. Looking at you, James.
Joe Burrow is not the problem at all, I’m a Ravens fan first, but the problem is how the media pick and choose who they bash and when they do it. Last year Jalen Hurts was winning and putting up numbers and nothing was said. As soon as they started losing that’s all they talked about. Let Dak do anything other than win and he’ll be crushed by the media. Aaron Rodger’s is not performing good at all but no segments about him and to be honest he’s something from the past but I would agree if Lamar started 1-4 you would hear he’s not worth the money just like . They even started it this year with Lamar when he started 0-2 although it wasn’t because of his play by far. Come on these media people have to keep it real
I don't get why this isn't talked about enough. Every sport is the same in this one regard...show me how you perform in 'high leverage' situations...end of a close game, playofffs etc. etc. Think of it as the exact opposite of garbage time. People can talk up Mahomes and Lamar all they want...last game showed you both guys choking a bit at the end when it really matters. Mahomes is like Brady (or Montana)...only gets better as the game goes on...and when it really matters...he locks in and focuses and only gets better.
Is it Joe Burrow's fault that the Bengals holder dropped the ball on the field goal attempt?....Is it Joe Burrow's fault that Derrick Henry broke off that long run against his defense in OT?...The Joe Burrow criticism is getting out of hand now...Yall Lamar fans are hypocrites because if Lamar had Joe's stats and the ravens were 1-4, yall would be screaming how it's not his fault
@@dparks2856if you understand football, you would understand that jamarre chase has to fight to get in better position for the ball, he gave poor effort to catch the slant
If a QB throws for 5 touchdowns and almost 400 yards and he didn't do enough to win than we over value the QB position way to much. What more can Joe Burrow do? Its a team sport guys.
This is why most nfl players can’t be sport commentator they have zero nuance and don’t understand context or ignore it. James Jones is the same guy that said wins aren’t a quarterback stat but put all the blame on the qb even tho he did his job. Like bill bellicheck said do your job and the defense didn’t do there job all game long and the kicker didn’t do his job. It a team and this team isn’t very good but joe making it look good.
Here come victim mentality! Lamar had best record and best defense and best offense last year. And still lost to Mahomes with his worst offense ever!They said give lamar a true 1 receiver? Yet tyreek hill leaves and pat get 2 more superbowls without number 1 receiver!! Yet yall 2xmvp cant get yall atleast a superbowl appearance???? Man gtfoh
@@HollyG95 brah stop lieing, you ever notice when lamar lose in playoffs. They try and protect that victim because he black man. Yet when he win they mad because a black man winning!! Brah you cant have it both ways.He has 2 mvp someone voted for him.. excuses!! And finally real fans and world know it just a victim mentality!!!
And the wild thing is lamar is 9-1 against burrow but acho was foaming at the mouth for the ravens to lose just to bring up that fumble and crucify lamar
I’ve made comments in prior videos about Dak n Lamar being the most criticized QBs n Allen or burrows being the most favored n they tried to clown me. On my life if Dak or Lamar threw 9-30 they’d have trade headlines for them 😂
Sometimes if you're considered the best player on the team then as the quarterback, sometimes you have to win games. Let me say that again as the quarterback sometimes you have to WIN games. Not speaking past tense, and the nature that you won on speaking, WINNING the game as a verb.
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The fact that Acho was basically about to say he was gonna light Lamar up if the Ravens lost Sunday, is wild. Bro hates Lamar and cant change my mind bout it
💯💯💯 glad u caught that
Right wtf is that they waiting to bash the dude 😂😂
That would have been the 2nd time he lost to the Bengals on fumble by him, so it would have made sense to in on him if they lost. Turns out, Ravens got real lucky on that missed kicked.
That's why they can miss me with fake adulation when he wins a game. They're just itching for him to lose again so they pounce.
If lamar was 1-4
It would be segments held about league catching up with him.
Would be about his turnovers!
Fumble, interceptions, settling for 3 points in redzone and not showing up week 1!
and much worse.
If that was Lamar y'all have a steak, knife, fork, wine 🍷 and napkins around your necks.🤷🏿♂️🤔
They had those segments when he was 0-1 losing by a toe on this very show talking about how mobile QBs peak in year 4-5
They gave him 2 mvps wtf are you talking about
@@Brickwilliams Don't act oblivious. You know the talk would be different if this were Lamar.
When Justin Hebert was throwing for all them yards and TDs n losing, despite horrific coaching and defense, he didn't get a pass, so no he doesn't get a pass
he always gets a pass tf you mean 💀
@@Nickthegoatyt2 I meant from them on the show, not the general public
Herbert is a better QB. That's why people who know ball were roasting him.. despite his team being trash 🗑️
Nobody care if Herbert win or lose lol
@@FadedWill_97 oh okay i just mean everyone hypes him up to be a top 5-10 qb so he deserves the same treatment
Here is the thing. Joe Borrow doesn’t deserve the blame but this is What the narratives would’ve been if it was Lamar 1-4.
“Well Lamar had great stats but why did he turn the ball over at the end? He always choke in clutch moments”
“The fact that the coach did 3run play and didn’t hand the ball to Lamar in the overtime what does it say about him? and us trusting his passing ability?”
Josh Allen went 9/30 for 130 yards and the narrative all week been
“How the coach play calling was bad and how his receivers were bad”
The victim complex is strong with this one.
@@majestyzx9081The facts deflecting complex is even stronger
@@Messigoat1033 when u will get it’s because of Lamar’s playoff resume
@@Messigoat1033What facts? You're creating a headcanon "What-if" scenario.
That's literally fiction. Fiction is fiction, not "alternative facts".
@@majestyzx9081 because we seen this narratives plenty of time. Ravens were 3-1 last season and they were questioning if the Ravens were getting their money worth out of Lamar.
Even this season when the ravens were 0-2 acho was basically saying Lamar alredy is past his prime.
Yall wouldn't give Lamar a pass...allen and burrow only ones media protect smh..do better
Lamar under performs in the playoffs, also doesn’t have success winning in the playoffs. Allen has numbers and playoff wins, burrow has stats and playoff wins
@@BigE526Eneither have a SB josh hasn’t been any further then Lamar 😂
@@BigE526E I love how in week 5 you have to bring up playoff success. TBF Josh Allen beating the Steelers, Dolphins x2, and Colts in Wildcard weekend is hardly playoff success. I wish Lamar could play layups in wildcard week but he's secured the 1 seed twice now, more than both Josh and Joe, so straight to the divisional round to play real teams
@@JT2327 brother the titains twice are playoff layups Lmfao and remember Josh Allen beat lamar in the playoffs, lock in
@@michaelnance8917 Lamar is 2-5 in the playoffs, Josh is 4-3 and one of those wins is against lamar, lost twice to KC and once to the bengals
Bro everyone looking at chase like “ we left joy for this guy ????”””
James Jones never criticizes Rodgers so i can't hear him talk about any other QB needing to be criticized
Jones and rodgers are filming brokeback mountain 2 atm a d pat mcafee is diector
@@michaelroelant7134 🤣🤣I believe it
Chase said as a QB you're only as good as the pieces around you. So what does that say about Lamar who's never had a WR that's close to the caliber of Chase or Higgins.
Bengals never had a run game like the Ravens, or a tight end like Mark Andrews. Or a perennial top 8 defense like the Ravens.
You want to paint a picture, use the entire canvas. Cherry picking one position is a terrible argument.
@@majestyzx9081That’s because Lamar was the run game. This is the first year that he will have a 1000 yard back. He’s lead his team in rushing ever year except this one. 2 of those years he didn’t finish the season, and still lead the team in rushing.
@@majestyzx9081Joe Mixon ran for a 1000 yards 3x while Burrow has been there.
@@majestyzx9081Why are you bringing up the Ravens run game when Lamar has been the leading rusher every season since 2019? Lol
@@DarrylJones-jc7wq still cherry picking. You didn't mention the defense
Would yall be giving Lamar a pass? NO
Why yall be tryna make a 2 time mvp top 5 player In football a victim constantly?
@@tjayd1225Cuz he is. He earned the 2x MVP but then they put Joe borrow (1-4) and Josh Allen Mr 9/30 for 130 yards over him. Based on resume Lamar should be the undisputed 2nd best player but they put him 4 or 5
Lamar don’t get a pass because he hasn’t beat Mahomes in the playoffs. This year it might change though.
Did they?
@@tjayd1225 as soon as the ravens lose a game it’s “his fault”. As soon as another QB loses it’s always an excuse.
Acho so much of a hater he literally just said he couldn’t wait til Monday just to hate on Lamar it’s sad😭
I respect haters that don’t hide it tho lol
So why do they always try to say Josh better than Lamar. Stats wise Josh is. Winning wise Lamar is. And Lamar got 2 MVPs
Because Josh does both
@@masterleefvr1767 so does Lamar. Lamar also has mvps
@@masterleefvr1767both what? 😂 can’t be talking about winning.
When they say "wins" really they're just talking about playoff wins.
@@FreshmanFrenzy he does win in the playoffs. He has 5 playoff wins. That's actually pretty good if you compare him to his contemporaries
No pass. He's responsible for 2 of the 4 losses. His bad play led to a loss against NE. His bad decision-making led to an INT at the end of regulation against Baltimore. In OT against Baltimore, he audibled out of a pass play to set his kicker up for a 50+ yard FG attempt he subsequently missed. His lack of locker room leadership has resulted in his teammates repeatedly giving bulletin board material to opponents that backfires. Chase cost his team the game against KC. Burrow had to address it when it was too late on the field because he isn't proactively addressing it behind the scenes. Chase even said he wishes Burrow was a more vocal leader. He's Kirk Cousins with more arm talent. He's just another dude on the roster. He doesn't have Mahomes leadership or presence. He has a career losing record against teams over .500. He can't win consistently with adversity like Mahomes.
For nah he’s responsible for 4 of the losses
To lead your team to back to back afc championship games means you have leadership in the locker room bro,you just one of dem mfs dat been waiting for burrow to lose, I wonder did u say this about him when he led his team to back to back afc championship and a super bowl
Nope, you can't give him all the credit when they win, but try to mention his teammates when he can't win.
I was told that he was the next Tom Brady, I was told that he was better than Mahomes 🤷
chiefs fan here. the logic of not giving Burrow a pass because they wouldnt give lamar a pass if it was him is stupid and emotional. Burrow obviously gets a pass. this is not basketball, everyone on the field has a job to do and the QB can play lights out and still lose games if other positional players do not hold up their own, especially in close games. Burrow is statistically the best QB in the league as of right now.
Exactly. Can’t blame offensive players for defensive failures. Especially as well as their offense has been playing the last several weeks
As a chiefs fan to Lamar excuse makes no sense if Lamar was 12 tds and 2 ints and 1 and 4 I wouldnt blame Lamar if his defense was giving up 30 a game if burrow had a elite defense prolly at least 3 and 2 don't like burrow but really can't blame him for a historically bad defense
It is a team game but these lazy analysts blame the QBs every week for winning and losing so u can’t change now. As a chiefs can I should know especially in the playoffs yall defense be playing good but who gets all the credit? When Brady was winning SBs his defense played great most the time but who got the credit? Keep it consistent like James was saying..also with all that being said 2 of the losses including last one if burrow doesn’t make a mistake at end of game they win. How can I give u a pass when it was his late fumble vs the chiefs and INT vs Ravens that helped them lose. If Lamar played good and had late turnover (even tho his defense was bad as well) people would only blame Lamar. Just like when acho said Lamar fumbled he said he was hype to come in and blame Lamar after up til then Lamar played a good game.
The quarterback is getting paid 55 million a year.
He did throw a pick to let the ravens tie the game after being up 10+ 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter… He dos fumble the ball against the chiefs, they let yall back in the game.. yall talking about stats, WATCH THE GAME
Burrow doing everything he need to do
As a chief fan yes he is it´s the defense
Except win.
@@michaelroelant7134So it’s the defense fault that Joe and the offense make critical mistakes.
Man I’m surprised acho didn’t give him a pass because when Herbert was playin good but losing he was on his neck
Bengals are literally the ‘21 Chargers. Offense was so good and Herbert was trailing Tom Brady in every category but the defense was literally last place and the Chargers went 9-8 and missed the playoffs. Guess who didn’t get a pass for their record?
You have a bad memory . Nobody, and I mean nobody was blaming Herbert
What's crazy is it took 3 days to address it on here. Yall talked DAk int in win more than Joe's in a loss.
If the refs called that blatant face mask on mark andrews then the game would’ve been over chase. No OT
If joe dont throw it to marlon so what you saying?
@@LamarWorld-m5t Ding 🛎️ Ding 🛎️ You basically answered the question. Joe deserve the blame. 😅 easy trap
If Lamar dont fumble ……
@LamarWorld-m5t lmao that's the player making a mistake, not the same as a ref missing an easy call
@@Hopkins8564shouldn't have happened. Should have never been in ot. That's the point of the comment
Yo, James Jones whole demeanor had me 💀
Burrow was trash vs NE and threw the pick in the 4th to ice the game vs the Ravens. That’s 2 wins on HIM!!!
Yall keep taking about the muffled snap, THEY WOULDNT BE IN OVERTIME IT BURTOE DIDNT THRIW A PICK!!
Can’t stand how QBs have a W-L record attached to their name like starting pitchers do in baseball. It’s a TEAM sport! Burrow is the LEAST of the Bengals problems
Exactly. Wins are a team stat. Burrow could be a little better I guess but bengals have bigger problems.
QBs are the richest players in the league, the most important person on a field, a top 2 most important person in the building at all times and are glorified into idols. They 100% deserve the W-L record attached to their name
Because Qb's score the points.. If Burrow don't force that throw and get an INT .. the Ravens lose that game because it was back and forth the whole 2nd half.. but Bengals had 10 point lead.. all the Ravens needed to catch up was a turnover and Burrow gave it to them by forcing a bad throw.
They are paid top dollar to win not put up stats.
The quarterback is getting paid 55 million a year and y’all wanna blame the defense.
The glazing of burrow is crazy
Ravens started off 0-2 1-3 and everybody was giving lamar a pass. "He's playing well, we know they're gonna win games".
That's not what I saw, they were killing lamar after the chiefs loss.
That is not remotely true 😂
Why is everyone tryna keep lamar as a victim LMAO😭
Are you slow? Do you watch Media? Lamar was 3-2 last year and they said he didn’t deserve his money.. Joe is 1-4!
You clearly don’t watch sports TV cause if you did you wouldn’t ask that question
Lamar Jackson fans are like Embiid fans they need to fell like the victims for some reason.
@@mattmmixes comparing Lamar and Embiid doesn’t even make sense in the first place
@@mattmmixeslamar is luka 26y 2× mvp
This is stupid. ANY qb that throws for 1370 yards, 12 td, 2 int should not be blamed for 1-4 when teams are putting up 30+ points on their defense.
Mahomes had a worse defense and still was winnin🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
If only that happened with ALL qbs
Burrow getting 200M&Ms i don’t wanna hear nothing
@@Ekleaz mahomes does not have a worse defense? cinci has the 31st worst defense in the league. only the panthers are worse.
Mahomes never had the worst defense in the entire league stop it
Joe Borrow gets the glory when they win. So he can get the blame when they lose.
Bring up he’s getting paid 55 million a year and they can’t say sh**
I am a Joe Burrow fan too, and it is unfortunate but it's reality. The better you are, the higher the expectations, the smaller the margin of error of is for you, simple as that. Because we expect Joe Burrow to be MVP and lead his team to Super Bowls, the margin of error is so small for him. It's unfortunate because it seems like most of their losses comes down to one bad play by him, just one. 49 good/great plays out of 50, but that one is the difference between a win and a loss. The Bengals are obviously not built to go through the adversity. We just watched Dak throw 3 picks on Sunday night and they still won the game. If that last pass is dropped or deflected, Dak is the joke of the week. Instead, the pass is completed and nobody cares about those 3 picks. the Bengals holder fumbles the ball, they miss the kick, and now Joe Burrows stats mean nothing, just like that. That's the reality of football. Dallas' defense kept the game close enough to give Dak another chance, the Bengals aren't built like that. Unfortunate for Burrow, but he does have to play perfect. it's just the reality of the situation.
As a Ravens fan, Joe Burrow is not the problem. He gets a pass.
He is the problem.
Nah 👎 no pass.
He a part of the problem. They would be 3-2 if not for his late game turnovers
Nah nah my fellow flock brother…don’t give him no pass AT ALL
As a Burrow fan. He fumbled and lost the game against the Chiefs, he was bad in the first week as well.
Lamar Jackson ain't NEVER had a player like JaMarr Chase...or Tee Higgins....and he got BOTH!!!!! Man, DAMN!!!!
And what if lamar had chase what would he do?run to him instead of throwing...
@michaelroelant7134 he threw 4 TD'S and won. Repeating the same robotic text 🤖
OMG what's new Burrow praise even though he's 1-4 and will miss the playoffs again ....Lamar would never get this pass
Cuz of their playoff resumes
Because Lamar is HALF the QB burrow is? Lamar is literally trash man , I don’t get it .
@@kenkaneki1522literally trash is wild 😂 rage bate comment
@@CoachRJ334 if Lamar wasn't terrible in the postseason, he'd get a pass..the fact he's sucked in 6 playoff games is why he's criticized
@@shauryasati947 bro burrow went to the bowl 1 time do what is the excuse that they don’t give hurtz passes?
The difference is when Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen go 1-4 they not puttin up 5 TDs and damn near 400yrds. I can't believe what im hearing right now, and these guys supposed to be professionals. This the most hating sht i ever heard in my life. This man is playin better than any other QB in the league right now, including patrick mahomes, and they still sayin its his fault smh 🤦🏾♂️
It is
When Mahomes had his super trash defense Mahomes was winning
Shut up don’t nobody want to hear those excuses Lamar threw for 359 yards against the dolphins in 2022 3tds 70 yard td run so 4 tds guess what his defense couldn’t stop them so he lost so shut up with the excuses
Quarterbacks get paid big money to win not put up stats.
@@jodyjo804 u forgot to mention, Burrow lost the game this past sunday
When ravens was 0-2 and Lamar was over 300 total yds per game this show was killing him…Lamar defense gave up 15 pt 4th quarter lead but it was all Lamar’s fault. All people saying is treat all the QBs the same. Lamar just put up 400 total yds and 4 tDs but did u not hear Acho say when Lamar fumbled he couldn’t wait to get on the show and call him out. He didn’t blame defense or care about his stats. Why are we doing it for burrow then? Also, I wouldn’t blame burrow either except for the fact that his late game INT cost them the game.
Man I was confused seeing this, not knowing y’all changed undisputed into the facility lol
Bro missed EVERYTHING
Bengals backup QB is the real Tom Brady. Joe Bledsoe already lost his super bowl just like his dad Drew. Garbage time stats wont save him now 🎉🎉
A pass? Mannnn yall can’t be serious 😐
@@StepBlvck he’s literally been statically the best qb this szn 💀💀💀
They have a top 5 scoring offense, it's not Burrow's fault. They need to fix their 26th ranked defense.
@@shauryasati947 and? If Lamar as 1-4 it would be a 30 minute SLANDER session. Guaranteed
Shady just cant help himself hating on Justin Fields.
Bruh!!! He slid that man's name in there so smooth lol
@@haroldbrown6173 lol then he will say his on hating.
Lamar is James harden, Burrow is Jimmy Butler, and Josh Allen is steve nash. They all competing for second place so who cares about them😭
Holy d*** munching..... Dust your knees off when you're done
What are you talking about Patrick Mahomes is Lamar’s daddy😂😂😂😂 Lamar is three and seven in the playoffs fanboy😂 he has never even made it to a Super Bowl. Patrick has three rings.. only way Lamar is going to have a chance at a ring is if he goes and buys one or his daddy Patrick gets hurt for a season or just says this is too easy and retires😂😂😂
Don't disrespect Nash, 2XMVP
Josh Allen more like Paul George
Lamar is 26 hes luka even better he got 2 mvp
they paying him to be a winner n he’s losing. where’s the disconnect?
He has the 31st worst defense in the league, there ya go I know you’re slow but I hope you can comprehend this
@@Brickwilliamsand as bad as that defense is he would be 3-2 if he didn’t turn the ball over in both his biggest games this year in the 4th quarter.can u comprehend that? And that’s with 32nd defense
@@HollyG95 wow he isn’t allowed to make one mistake…… throws for 392 and 5 tds, one mistake all game and still his fault when his defense makes 5 mistakes per drive. Racist bum
@@Brickwilliams racist? Bum? lol get out ya emotions. His mistake in the 4th quarter lost them the lead and the game. If it had been Lamar they would have killed him just like acho said in this clip!!! I like burrow so it’s no hate I actually think the bengals going to turn it around and make playoffs as a wild card. All I’m saying is call it fair on both sides. Nothing racist about that, clown
If that was Lamar y'all have a steak, knife, fork, wine 🍷 and napkins around your necks.🤷🏿♂️🤔
The issue I see here is that burrow doesn't have an Andy Reid or bellicheck working alongside him,he is expected to perform miracles single handedly.
Just saying Mahomes’ defense was ranked close to last in 2018 and he was winning mvp.
They never gave Justin Herbert a pass and i don't think he's had more than 5 horrible games
They’ll destroy Lamar if this was him.. he’s just stat padding
Everyone wants to have it both ways with Burrow. His numbers weren't great when he "led" the Bengals to the Superbowl. So now that they're losing, it's shifted to "but his numbers!"
Joe must have to throw 10 tds 700 yards
Lamar was running around like it was recess and he was fresh off of detention. That ain't got nothing to do with Joe. He doing his job. Them fools on the defense need to be answering the reporters questions.
Hard to believe you could have numbers that good and still be 1-4.
He threw the pick that allowed us a chance. That matters
Answer = *Not quite* .
► *Explanation* : Although Joe Burrow is a good quarterback, he has not met the [Football World's] standard for receiving a pass [for his team's 1-4 record]. So, if the Football World were to hand Burrow a pass then the Football World would be on trial (ie, not Joe Burrow).
► *Factual Background* : The Football World hasn't given passes to other good quarterbacks [for their team's losing records]. This is particularly the case when imperfections can be found in the QB's running game. More adroitly - and according to the Football World - a QB is undeserving of a pass if/when his team's running game isn't flawless. In other words, *the fair market value of a pass* is flawlessness [in the run game].
► *Case-in-Point* : Lamar Jackson
• Week 2: Lamar Jackson - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (0-2). His team was 3rd in rushing.¹
• Football World: ' _Lamar Jackson is to blame. In fact, the Ravens need to fix Lamar Jackson's playing style_ .'
• Week 5: Joe Burrow - despite having stellar stats - had a losing record (1-4). His team was 27th in rushing.¹
• Football World: ' _Joe Burrow deserves a pass. In fact, he is immune to criticism_ .'
Exact Quotes:²
" _Lamar Jackson needs to be under center. [Yet,] He's out there in shotgun; Derrick Henry is -- He would run bootlegs as well as anybody, but they don't put him under center. We've just become a copycat league. Get the quarterback -- Derek Carr [(ie, the model QB)] has been under center more than any quarterback in the league_ ."
- Michael Lombardi, Expert Opinionist (Former NFL GM) _NFL on ESPN_ , 9/19/24
🏈Result: Since the Football World didn't give Lamar Jackson a pass then it's ill-positioned to give Joe Burrow a pass. Especially since: (a) Burrow's record is far more dire; and (b) Burrow's rushing attack is extraordinarily worse.
🏈Remember: The [discriminatory] passes that you hand out [to passers] won't pass muster.
🏈Request: Use the same metrics/standards to evaluate these players.
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¹ Since Lamar Jackson's reign, the Ravens have had the league's top rushing attack.
¹ Since Joe Burrow's reign, contrarily, the Bengals have had [one-of] the league's worst rushing attacks.
² Similar/Identical sentiments were uttered by other pundits/gatekeepers (eg, Shannon Sharpe; Dan Orlovsky; etc.)
Burrow currently experiencing what Herbert’s been going through his whole career
I haven't watched any Bengals games but it sounds like the defense sucks. He can't play both sides of the ball.
He can take care of the football and handle his business on offense.
I appreciate the honesty of Acho even though he is a Lamar hater, but he was being truthful if they lost
The awkward silence at 1:55 !! 😂😂 Joe is elite always was and always will be though . The team record isn’t on him .
Joe Burrow is getting a pass because he beat Patrick Mahomes 3 years ago
the dead stares and silence and James look away had me dying. chase on the Shammy Sham.
Joe is responsible for 4 of the losses:
1. His bad play performance against the Patriots at home.
2. His fumble against the Chiefs defense that got them back in the game.
3. Him and the offense inability to score in the red zone on multiple red zone opportunities.
4. The offense finally put a complete game together against the Panthers.
5. His turnover late in the 4th quarter is what got the Ravens back in the game and sent the game into Overtime.
3:26 “Joe Burrow’s greatest quality.. was winning”
*Career Record 30-26-1*
…. What we talking about??
Baker has thrown for 1164 yds 11 tds (13 total) 2 ints with a 72% completion percentage and a 112.2 rating and you don't give him a pass
Not when in 2 of the biggest games he had a turnover late that lost them the game.
@HollyG95 Baker has thrown 2 interceptions all year, both of which were in the first half, and they only lost one of those games. The game they did lose was not because of a INT in the 2nd quarter. So I'm not sure wtf you're talking about lol
Mahommes = Steph Curry
Lamar Jackson = James Harden
Josh Allen = Paul George
Burrow and the offense scored on EVERY SINGLE POSSESSION against Washington, and he’s played great in 4 of 5 games. Their defense is just that bad!
2/4 in the red zone against Washington? And you said he played great but did he make winning plays?
But won't lose to no Commanders with a rookie QB
Shady couldn’t help but throw some Fields shade in there.. nobody is even talking about him in this instance lol smh
James nailed it -- all stats aside, in the end you gotta make The Big Plays in key situations. Burrow has been blowing it when it matters most
Love Joe Burrow, but no Pass
James Jones always keeps it real.
The fact that they’re even asking this question shows the Media bias towards certain players. Jalen has been to a superbowl more recently and he doesn’t get this treatment Joe Burrow gets.
Bengals fan. Gotta agree with JJ and shady. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Chiefs away and failed. Burrow had the ball in his hands to put the Ravens away and failed. If he's "joe brrr" Bengals should be at least 3-2
The Facility is like walking into a barbershop that is full of ex pro football players who are chopping up football games. I'm here for it. No eye-candy ladies, no non-football playing reporters who man-splain to the audience what was already said. Just, "What's your take on this?"
Said he don't look the same as a winner?? Defense ranked 31st in every category. Qb shouldn't have to be perfect every game he's super elite
James Jones is critical of anyone not named Aaron Rodgers lol
Burrow did fumble for a TD. But with 1minute, the offense got the lead BACK.... and handed that lead to the defense. Then a rookie committed a PI.....so his whole argument is pointless.
James jones spits FACTS!💯
Was “ready to give it to Lamar when he fumbled”. But has BARELY mentioned the INT! He doesn’t even acknowledge it after Shady brings it up!!!!!
No interception, no chance for the kicker to miss the kick.
Wrong question. The real question is whether or not your can reasonably expect Burrow to do more to overcome not only his own mistakes, but the no room for error afforded by the defense.
The reason Lamar would get roasted in a loss would be because it wouldn't be the first time he blew it. Burrow doesn't have the history of worst mistakes at the worst times.
You wouldn't accept 2 botched snaps by your QB in a win because next time it happens, the pendulum swings the other way. So keep the same energy for all of them because ain't nobody's favorite QB perfect. Looking at you, James.
Joe Burrow is not the problem at all, I’m a Ravens fan first, but the problem is how the media pick and choose who they bash and when they do it. Last year Jalen Hurts was winning and putting up numbers and nothing was said. As soon as they started losing that’s all they talked about. Let Dak do anything other than win and he’ll be crushed by the media. Aaron Rodger’s is not performing good at all but no segments about him and to be honest he’s something from the past but I would agree if Lamar started 1-4 you would hear he’s not worth the money just like . They even started it this year with Lamar when he started 0-2 although it wasn’t because of his play by far. Come on these media people have to keep it real
Burrow is playing like MVP with an ok O-line, an ok running game and a horrible Defense in the ultimate TEAM sport
I don't get why this isn't talked about enough. Every sport is the same in this one regard...show me how you perform in 'high leverage' situations...end of a close game, playofffs etc. etc. Think of it as the exact opposite of garbage time. People can talk up Mahomes and Lamar all they want...last game showed you both guys choking a bit at the end when it really matters. Mahomes is like Brady (or Montana)...only gets better as the game goes on...and when it really matters...he locks in and focuses and only gets better.
Gotta win games. Whether it’s your fault or not.
Is it Joe Burrow's fault that the Bengals holder dropped the ball on the field goal attempt?....Is it Joe Burrow's fault that Derrick Henry broke off that long run against his defense in OT?...The Joe Burrow criticism is getting out of hand now...Yall Lamar fans are hypocrites because if Lamar had Joe's stats and the ravens were 1-4, yall would be screaming how it's not his fault
That int?
@@dparks2856if you understand football, you would understand that jamarre chase has to fight to get in better position for the ball, he gave poor effort to catch the slant
This why I rock wit James
Everybody looks at stats but not the critical mistakes in the clutch from Joe and the offense.
Why wouldn’t you give any of those QBs a pass if they were 1-4??? Because they aren’t playing like Burrow! How hard is that to understand???
If a QB throws for 5 touchdowns and almost 400 yards and he didn't do enough to win than we over value the QB position way to much. What more can Joe Burrow do? Its a team sport guys.
DAK 4TH DOWN TD PASS!
STR8 CLUTCH 🤠💪🫡
Chase need to go🤦🏾♂️
This is why most nfl players can’t be sport commentator they have zero nuance and don’t understand context or ignore it. James Jones is the same guy that said wins aren’t a quarterback stat but put all the blame on the qb even tho he did his job. Like bill bellicheck said do your job and the defense didn’t do there job all game long and the kicker didn’t do his job. It a team and this team isn’t very good but joe making it look good.
Here come victim mentality! Lamar had best record and best defense and best offense last year. And still lost to Mahomes with his worst offense ever!They said give lamar a true 1 receiver? Yet tyreek hill leaves and pat get 2 more superbowls without number 1 receiver!! Yet yall 2xmvp cant get yall atleast a superbowl appearance???? Man gtfoh
And he gets killed for it daily. Give the other QBs the same treatment. Simple.
@@HollyG95 brah stop lieing, you ever notice when lamar lose in playoffs. They try and protect that victim because he black man. Yet when he win they mad because a black man winning!! Brah you cant have it both ways.He has 2 mvp someone voted for him.. excuses!! And finally real fans and world know it just a victim mentality!!!
@@Block1212 🧢🧢 and I’m done with u cuz u making zero sense
They choose stats over winning games 😂😂😂
And the wild thing is lamar is 9-1 against burrow but acho was foaming at the mouth for the ravens to lose just to bring up that fumble and crucify lamar
Ppl talking about burrow is elite in the play offs that man is Jared Goff cut it out 😂😂 what did he win ?
I’ve made comments in prior videos about Dak n Lamar being the most criticized QBs n Allen or burrows being the most favored n they tried to clown me. On my life if Dak or Lamar threw 9-30 they’d have trade headlines for them 😂
Finally real conv on burrow lmao talkin bout stats he got no all pros, 1 pro bowl lol his thing was IT factor and winning
The problem is the chemistry and I think Taylor,Chase,and several others are on their way out.
Lamar, Burrows, Allen, TJ. Let’s see who can beat Mahomes in playoffs. Then we don’t have to argue about it anymore.
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Why does he mention specifically Jalen hurts and Lamar Jackson????
Lamar isn't bash for anything other than his playoff record and performances. Race has nothing to do with it.
If your team possesses the ball with time to run out the clock and the lead and you fail, you are to blame.
Sometimes if you're considered the best player on the team then as the quarterback, sometimes you have to win games. Let me say that again as the quarterback sometimes you have to WIN games. Not speaking past tense, and the nature that you won on speaking, WINNING the game as a verb.
Bengals defense DID NOT cause a fumble. Lamar just fumbled