Warlord Resin Plus Review | A look Warlord Games new resin & Bolt Action Bersaglieri Weapons Teams
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Warlord Games gave very kindly sent me some Bolt Action Bersaglieri Weapons Teams in the brand new Warlord Resin Plus. So here's a review not only for the new resin, but also the upcoming Italian weapons teams.
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Thanks for the in depth review. Figures look finely detailed and the resin seems more durable than the previous resin models. Appreciate you taking the time to go over this.
Thank you 😊
Excellent review - very informative.
I love that the marketing materials for these small teams in resin included the addition of an order dice for each team. So a great idea! I hope they adopt that permanently.
Thank you.
That order dice is a great idea, didn’t realise until I checked the pre-order page for the images to add to the video.
It is great to see someone demonstrating fettling.
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Thanks Stuart. Great review as usual
Thank you Paul 😊
I'm very glad the cleaning up process has a better result than the previous iteration. I had a nightmare cleaning the epic range Waterloo commanders box. Looks like a great improvement. Thanks for the review.
Definitely a big improvement, not yet perfect, but loads better.
Great review
Thank you 🙂
Really good review, and gives me hope that other companies might also be able to go this way. I particularly am at war with FOW's thermoplastics, and I do wonder if this material could be adopted into 15mm models.
From what Battlefront have said recently, they’re already in this process, some may already be in production/on sale now.
They look great tbh. I really hope they start phasing metal out completely so I can replace my american and german hq's and weapons teams. Thanks for this review!
I’d certainly prefer these to metal now I think.
The flexibility might be useful on things like AT rifles etc....stops them snapping.
Yep absolutely, they straightened well when I tested it today as well.
Great review as always mate, I'm definitely optimistic when it comes to soft resin but it seems like Warlord have definitely got something decent here. I'll be interested to see what the other batches are like after time as you pointed out.
Cheers mate. Seems like things are improving, hopefully they will continue to do so.
Great Video. I am really looking forward to this. I am not a fan of metal miniatures, and these will be perfect to add to my bolt action collection.
I’m not a huge fan of metal miniatures either, now this resin is improved I think I’d choose this.
Great review, I’m very open minded to this. I can see many people will refuse to consider anything other than metal, but in my view as time goes by there will be more resin/ plastic and less metal.When I had my figure company I seriously considered Siocast I just couldn’t afford the investment.
Thank you Graham. I can imagine the start up costs are huge, those machines don’t look cheap. I wonder if we will see 3rd party companies invest and do casting services with Siocast for the smaller companies, definitely a change coming, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see many metals in 10-20 years time.
I wonder if Warlords will redo the support groups from metal with this new resin. Whilst I hope they do BEF British in plastic wouldn't. Ind them doing the current metals in this resin. Much better product by the looks of it. It was cleaning up on the previous iteration that I didn't quite fancy
I would guess that they will eventually like to us this to replace most metals, I guess whether they change the material for existing models might depend on their suitability.
Few materials are truly perfect, these look like an improvement and I imagine that over time the formulation and the design of the moulds to move mould lines away from faces and awkward places. Flexibility of guns is preferable to brittle materials that are prone to snapping. Modern paints are much more flexible and more resistant to cracking when the resin/plastic bends
Completely agree Joe, not perfect, but a welcome improvement for sure.
Thanks for this, as I usually model and paint a mix of metal minis and hard plastic minis, and the thought of this sort of resin was a worry.
I've not had any resin BA minis however I've had the rereleased SPQR minis in their resin.
I was glad to hear you mention and find out how they filed, because my experience with the new Battlefront Flames of War minis was not pleasing. Filing mould lines on tops of helmets left them fuzzy.
However, glad you looked at this specific issue to put our minds minds at ease, at least perhaps by 50% :)
I share your experiences there, all the soft resin I’ve come across has had me conceded, and many times not without reason. It’s good to see both Warlord and Battlefront are now looking to improve the recipe of their own Siocast mix, the limited experience I’ve had with both definitely shows improvement, and being able to file them easier makes a huge difference for sure.
*Looking great mate! :D
Cheers dude
I know they won’t but I wish games workshop would replace all the metal and fine cast lord of the rings models with something like this.
Finecast/Citadel Resin is an odd thing, in many ways it’s always been a bit better than Siocast, while it was flexible, it wasn’t rubbery and impossible to file like Siocast could be. The biggest issue with Finecast is that it was used for sculpts not designed for the material, so you end up with holes in the early days, then a million gates to remove now, let alone the poor casts and bent weapons.
I’d say this new formula Siocast is better, but not sure the previous version was.
If i remember one of the main problems of finecast is that they tend to use metal molds for them instead on specifically designed molds
Yep I heard that as well, a bit of an experiment using existing metal molds with resin, that became a product 😂. Luckily these are different.
Thanks for a very helpful review. I have had reservations about resin and especially the idea of the flexibility. My experience of paint flaking off Airfix spears etc has left me scarred for life🤣.
I appreciate these are not the Airfix polythene, but the reference to flexibility does bother me. Do you think this is likely to be a problem with paint flaking?
I couldn’t say without fully painting them and playing with them. However, I’ve not had this issues with the other soft resin models I have. The material is super matte to the finish as well (probably why they can be painted without primer), I think this will help the paint adhere enough to prevent that .
I've painted loads of the original "warlord resin" and siocast figures and never had a problem with paint flaking due to the flexibility. Most modern acrylic paints have a good amount of flexibility in them so are more than capable of flexing with the figure and the more matt, very very slightly textured material helps the paint adhere rather than the old perfectly smooth shiny airfix plastics.
The only way I could see it being an issue is using a hard coating, so the likes of old enamel paints, but any flexible coating such as acrylics shouldn't have a issue unless you decide to bend it 180 degrees!
Looking good. Are warlord swaping to resin from metal like GW?
They’ve been using their own formula of Siocast resin for a while now, called it Warlord Resin, this is an evolution of that. The issue with soft Siocast resin is that it doesn’t file or clean up well, this new formula improves on that somewhat. If it proves successful, I’d I owe will see it more and more, eventually replacing metal.
Having done a similar video as this I mostly echo your findings. I only had the prone rifleman to look at and the detail was not good. I painted mine unprimed and like you the base coat went on ok, then I gave it a wash of Army Painter Soft Tone znd there appeared to be a chemical reaction. Did you wash yours first and did you complete a paint job on any of them?
Oh wow, what kind of chemical reaction (I’ll go and check your video out)? The only painting I did was just what you saw in the video, I just wanted to test if they took paint, as I’ll probably never paint them without priming anyway.
I’m curious about this new formula. I can’t stand the previous Siocast editions because I hate the burring and texture trying to clean mold lines. So it’s a wait and see still for me. But from the sounds of your video, it’s one set closer to hard plastic
Yep not 100 there, but definitely a step closer. For me I still prefer hard plastic, or proper hard resin, but this offers a decent alternative to metal. Both metal and Siocast have their issues for me, different issues, but this formula has probably put it just ahead of metal for me.
The 'leg wraps', generally called 'puttees' in English.
Thank you 😊
Do NOT like the "flex" to the guns. Too "softplasticesque"....
It’s a concern for quite a few people for sure.
Thanks for reviewing these samples. Do you think they will be more or less expensive than metal miniatures?
I’m not sure, they’re up for pre-order now, but I’ve not looked at how they compare with metal versions. I think the material is cheaper, but I don’t know if how much Warlord charges for them reflects that. You’d hope they were slightly cheaper, or at least allows them to keep them at a similar price, where metals would have had to go up. I know the cost of metal has rocketed over the last few years, lots of manufacturers have been absorbing that cost somewhat, so wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see a drop, but this as an alternative brings their margins back closer to where they’d like.
I could be wrong here, but I think Warlord would say that the cost of metal has been going up for years, and that they’ve been absorbing those increases for a time, hence the resin models not being offered for a cheaper price. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong, just offering a reason.
Plastic/polymer/resin raw material pricing has increased exponentially since March 2020. Same price increases have afflicted metal raw material as well. Nothing will be as affordable as it was prior to March 2020.
Anything on the e-mail on the new epic range? 😂
😂 I genuinely don’t know, very excited to find out on Wednesday.
I would be interested in testing this claim that you don't need to prime them. I find that hard to believe that the paint would adhere as well as a normally primed model.
I was surprised, but from the limited amount of testing I did (as seen in the video), the paint went on as it would over a grey primer.
@@MiniatureRealms what about durability though?
I’m no wiser than you on that, I’m assuming they’d recommend varnishing. I’ll still prime anyway, it works with my painting method.
Those huns look wonky. Do they fix up and straighten out in hot water?
@David Robotham, I’ve not tried on these, but I’m going to give it a go and report back.
@Robin I think that with a hobby like ours a certain amount of preparation of miniatures in acceptable (at least to me anyway). Resin miniatures (not just this soft Siocast resin) occasionally require straightening of thin parts, but so do metal miniatures. Some metal miniatures require pinning, or hands drilled out to add a spear etc. Nearly all require mould line removal, sometimes gap filling.
Now if those parts don’t straighten or fail to stay straight that’s different, but for me needing to do it is just part of working with miniatures. Maybe they should all be ‘perfect’ for the price we pay, but I don’t think there are many examples of that, as that would likely mean a fully assembled, mould line free miniature, and I can’t think of many examples of that.
Robin,
I think your expectations are way too high and unrealistic. Almost every figure I buy needs some preparation, metal figures can be hard work drilling out hands for spears etc, I’ve had a fair few bayonets break on metal figures whilst trying to straighten muskets etc and it’s almost impossible to repair them I think as metal costs continue to soar you better be prepared to see more plastic and resin figures
I’ve recently started an Italian army so theses were well timed, the fact they are made from a lighter material than metal is a bonus ( living in the shadow of the Malvern hills I have taken transporting my armies as an extra stint in the gym lol) so will definitely be picking some of these up.
@David Robotham, did a quick test in hot water and had no issues straightening them.
Their present resin (siocast?) I am not a fan off. Too rubbery, more clean-up, and generally more effort per miniature. Modification is the only benefit of resin versus metal.
This is still Siocast, just an improved formula. I like that resin miniatures are lighter, and less likely to chip (without having to add so much varnish that it changes the paint colour).
I wasn’t excited about the announcement, but the product looks more worrying that i had thought. That much bendiness, especially in longer weapons, can only go wrong.
I can understand that concern for sure.
My biggest issue with resin are bent barrels. Is that an issue?
I can only speak for what I have to review here, and they bend for sure, but don’t seem out of shape, and that’s normally easy to fix in hot water.
I did notice one of the rifles and the antitank gun barrels looked slightly warped. Was any attempt to straighten them made ie hot water? If so, did it take?
I haven’t attempted to straighten it, I’d be surprised if it didn’t though. I’ll try and remember to give it a try tomorrow and get back to you.
…did a quick test in hot water and had no issues straightening them.