This. WTF was going on here? How do you not have a 2nd line deployed there ASAP? Hell, the driver pulls a 2nd line and hits the exposure building if it’s a manpower issue. Can’t believe how long that was allowed to burn with no line in place.
suffer247 cause they need to know if people are inside you can survive a fire like this but once water is put on it its near impossible because the steam is so hot
ReverseCloak fn you keep saying that but have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Protecting exposures doesn’t put anyone at risk from ‘steam’. You can cool from outside, you can certainly knock down the fire that’s burning up the outside of the structure whilst putting no one inside at any risk. This is just poor fire suppression from the get go, if I was the second house owner, I’d be suing the FDNY for sure for my losses.
Why would they do that? You gotta delay putting water on the fire so that it grows to massive proportions. Looks better for the camera and then you can say that you went to a job.
Chris C no im not saying make the fire massive i never said dont put a line on it i said not inside because once water is put on the fire inside it boils and makes it hotter for anyone and everyone inside spray the siding not inside
I am by no means a fire expert, but it seems like they should have opened up on the fire immediately upon arrival. It almost looks like they wanted it to burn big. And when the fire began to jump structures nobody reacted until the second structure was Blazing. Is there a reason why they would wait to start spraying the fire? Wouldn't it have been prudent to provide the second structure with some cooling Mist before it caught on fire
they need to make sure no one is inside it’s possible to survive a fire but when it starts getting sprayed if someone is inside theres almost no chance of survival because the steam is so hot
ReverseCloak fn you have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s absolutely nothing stopping these guys from knocking down the fire on the outside and protecting the exposures on the neighbours building. And a straight stream directed into an open window from as acute and angle as you can get can often reset a room to pre-flashover conditions and make the interior cooler for any victims and crews working inside. This was a terrible display of fire fighting by those in command, to let the fire grow to that stage without suppressing even the exterior is unforgivable.
Jim Wilson yea actually i do my dad is a firefighter once water is put on that fire it gets 1000 times hotter and is almost impossible to survive yes at some point it gets cooler but at first it gets very hot and can prevent a flashover but they need to make sure no one is inside first
ReverseCloak fn again, speaking as a firefighter myself, there’s absolutely no excuse for not knocking down the fire on the outside and protecting the adjacent structures. None of that will cause ‘steam’ to be pushed into the structure. Ask your dad about transitional attacks, there’s no point doing an interior attack to knock down fire if you leave the outside to burn and extend to other structures. As for you’re ‘pushing fire’ theory, if applying water from outside is done correctly this won’t happen. As has been shown by various studies, it can intact lower the temperature inside a structure reducing the thermal impact on both any victims in there and firefighters inside searching.
Bart Simpson im saying it boils anyone inside thats why i said they had to wait to get a line inside because their still doing a search and are un sure if anyone is inside that’s exactly why i said they waited to put water on the fire
Jesus that Truckie is so lucky he got out when he did. We just did a flashover training at the academy it’s no joke. You can kinda tell when the rooms about to go he got out just in time
Andy Oxley exactly. No point in him even being up there. I have no clue why the FDNY feels like they have to go break every window to ventilate a fire that has already self ventilated. Not like you were going to increase visibility at that point.
They (NYFD) call for additional for relief. If you have the manpower, why not utilize it. Keeps the men alert. As for water on the fire, I do agree it seemed quite long, however, the first order of duty is to get everyone out of the buildings and conduct a search. This may keep the department from hitting the buildings with a strong stream of water. The safety of the men come into play.
@@glmike523 exposure lines should have been put into action a lot faster. You can still even hit the soffit of the fire building without harm to inside crews. Plus when truck member did his VES (alone & dumb) and the room flashed on him even a 7 second burst above his head could have thermal balanced that room to buy him time get out safer.
@@glmike523 From what I see the city is $3,000,000,000 in the whole right now , 120 extra men standing around is , to say the least , is an in efficient use of money the city doesn't have . I don't know if its a union thing or what , but you don't let the home next door burn without a search being done on it also . Fact is the exposure wasn't checked and two structures burned , not to mention the van that they had the keys offered by the owner .
@@joeboscarino2380 Wow!, so you equate money and call the men at the scene of a fire (not to mention 5 alarms) calling 120 men "extra." You sir, never have been in the Emergency Service. The home (side 4) was checked and in fact both exposures were checked for occupants. (One of which was owned by an off duty fireman) The vehicle, should have been taken out by the owner before the FD arrived. When the shout by someone (most likely the owner) that he had the keys, the fire was already burning under the front of the van. Secondly, when on the scene of an emergency such as a fire, the din or noise most likely would drown out whomever was shouting. Back to the "extra" 120 men. They were there so to relieve each other. The heat, and the plain work load in a 3 story (2 buildings) structure would exhaust anyone. So, relief would be more frequent and that goes without mentioning the Air Bottles on their backs. One other thing, there are at time dangerous liquids stored in basements and attics and sometimes in the kitchens of homes. If, something like that ignited and blew up, it could take many fire personnel with it. Then, without the "extra" men there would be second guessing as to why there weren't 120 "extra" personnel at the scene. To clear things up, I was never a Fireman nor did I ever work with any fire department. However, I was a ranking officer in the NYPD and have been to a number of dangerous situations where I wish I had "extra" men.
@@glmike523 relieve each other? Do they need relief every 5 minutes or what? Like the original commenter said, most career departments could’ve knocked this down with 20-30 guys. Also you wouldn’t have to worry about liquids “blowing up” if you put water on the fire in the first place!
I'm no firefighter but at 2:53 I thought what the hell is he doing putting a ladder there to go up when the flames were that close? I realize firemen run to a fire but that just seemed stupid and not a minute later he comes down with flames on him. There sure seemed to be no clear instruction at this inferno.
He was a idiot, no reason to go in that window, in the uk we would never do that. Should have had a hose covering that driveway to protect other house and the van, not a good outcome for the residents
That was most likely a truckle performing a rescue technique called VES... vent enter search.....u ladder the bldg vent the window enter the room close the door if open and perform a search and get out....it's high risk maneuver but if someone's trapped in there it may b the only way to get them out
@@artmccomeskey738 We call it suicide. Never go in like that without a charged hose. No protection whatsoever. As soon as he smashed the window the room flashed over and he nearly got Cooke. Utter madness.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels granted this is a high risk maneuver its a rescue technique not fire suppression.....high risk=high reward.....if my child or family member were trapped in that room it may have been there only chance of getting out .....The key is to control the door and get out quick....
Person: So what do you do for a living. Fireman: i'm a firefighter! Person: oh, so how many fires have you put out. Firefighter: none, I just fly the drone. :)
FDNY has 0 concept of a transitional attack on ballon frames. Its the backbone of every New England department due to the building construction present thorough out our area. We all want to be super aggressive on the interior but this was borderline negligent. This is just something you don't see happening in New haven, Worcester, Boston and Providence.
@@PEB2631 Exactly, yes you have to get a line charged and get inside to start dealing with the fire and searching but i watched a guy go up a ladder on the side and smash a window and all that did was help the fire spread down that side. There were guys standing around who could have got a charge line to work on knocking the fire down on the side, the van and the building next door. That fire got far worse than it needed to get.
@Bart Simpson He had the manpower , he could have put a line to check the spread without putting water on the exposure . Like I said he was worried about the guys inside searching . He didn't want to produce a steam plume inside the home . Saying that he could have put water on the van and the home next door .
I know right! Unless they left the keys inside due to panic. I don’t see why not. They were just standing outside the house while the driveway was clear.
No those buildings have no firebreak inbetween the floors so once fire gets behind the lathe and plaster/Sheetrock there is nothing to stop the fire from rapidly spreading to all floors... this building was a loss right away but the exposure to the right could have probably been saved if they had a protection line deployed
Whoever was in charge, or was there anyone, should have a lot of explaining to do. Seems to me that most of the constructive comments come from firefighters or ex firefighters who have knowledge and experience the rest come from those who haven’t got a clue. What started as a single structure involved at the rear turned out to be nearly a conflagration watched by 200 “firefighters” before someone remembered the fire triangle ..Very poor effort..
Ok so either the “critics” here half no brain or they didn’t think. 1- did you ever fight a fire yourself to tell these brave men and women what type of job they did? 2nd of all, the van had chemicals. You can put water on something you don’t know. You put water on it and the other second it blows up. 3- Power lines. Reason why there was no water going to the flames is because they had to make sure all electricity was off or else you would see a nice big boom. Edit- also remember, you don’t know how stable a structure is. And no their first thing to do isn’t put water on the fire. It’s to evacuate anyone who might be harmed with the fire either now or later.
That’s the job of the OVM at a residential frame. He was absolutely doing his job. What’s hard to believe is that with a total of 5 alarms, there weren’t any other OVMs operating with him.
We are talking about the FDNY here. You would think they wouldn't need to be trained on the basics of apply water to Visible Burning Material. It's the attitude of the officers from the top town that are trying to make firefighting more glamorous. Everyone thinks they are heroes Just for Joining Up, Dressing Up and Showing Up. How exciting is putting out the fire as soon as your arrive?. Much more heroic and exciting to run blindly into a burning building while the fire threatens not only them but any victims. They only care about them for the photo op as they come out the door. I know human nature. Don't doubt that for one second. Only small town departments give a damn and get the job done because they are protecting their neighbors, not just punching a clock. After all, we are talking about breaking windows a squirting water. You have to try real hard to screw that up. P.S. I was a Third Generation Firefighter who got the Job done.
I don't know the tactics of the American firefighters. On the video we see a lot of people waiting, no water, no fire attack, no protection of the neighboring house. There are many, for what reason, not several teams, one team to explore to look for a possible victim, another to start the fire attack. Can someone answer me? Thank you from France.
Anyone know if they ever managed to get any water on the fire yet? What a gong show, typical FDNY video, 200 guys standing around leaning on pike poles watching the structure burn. This is embarrassing to watch.
How come they didn’t back out the Ford Van and Lexus? Probably too panicked to think about it I guess right? They probably left the keys inside. But good thing everyone got out, since that’s what is important.
Also your going to have exposer problems to the south house and wires to the south and to the garage. Notice how the do a defensive attack,/transitional with everyone doing there part by getting roof ladders up, pulling a line, forcing entry, starting a primary, using the s-a-d method, (surround and drown), and then they would use ‘sbv’ ;suppression, before ventilation)
Its weird to see fdny firefighters not in Manhattan because thats where you would most commonly see them not in the suburbs pf houses but their are still fdny no matter what
That firefighter was brave, but dumb. It was a matter of time, before he would find himself caught between TWO fires. There should have been water on the exposure AND the van, before he went up.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels LOL, most bravery comes from a situation, where you don't have (or don't allow yourself) time to think, really. I imagine he was trying to search for victims, and overlooked the possibility he might become one.
@@33lex55 I think he certainly overlooked the fact he might become a victim. I cannot understand why anyone would go solo up a ladder into a fire compartment without a thermal image camera and a charged hose of some sort to protect himself.
Can any of the brothers provide a reasonable response as to why this job went to a borough call? Either there’s a lot more to what was going on, or shit has gone completely out of control. Seriously. Have the bosses quit letting the officers run their crews and handle their positions? There’s a lot of young faces wearing gear I’ve noticed over the last 5-10 years. WTF happened?
This is FDNY Seriously?!? "Whahappened"? LAFD, Show'em how it's done! Total circus! No exposure protection til it lit up. Would expect that from a small town Volunteer FD. Not FDNY.
Greetings from Germany. What the Hell are those Fire Fighters from New York are doing? There are no Hoses to Protect the neighboring Houses, and especially, what the Hell was that Fire Fighter Doing when he climbed alone into that Window where the Fire was surely in the Room next to it? They let Equipment stay near the Fire, they let the Fire spread to the other House.... Here in Europe and especially Germany, those Fire Fighters would have such a strict Lecture afterwards for there sloppy Job. We Europeans cant understand why Americans try to run into burning Houses when they are lost Cases and most of there Tactics are really weird, but this is something New. There would be if the Water is there in not more then 5 Minutes Hoses Left and Right of the Burning House to Protect it and fighting it comes afterwards. Also running into Burning Houses alone? If someone trys it here in Europe he can even get kicked out ( I Think something like that happend to an Firefighter in London 2 or 3 Years ago, he was running into an Burning House alone and saved a Person, but he got kicked out afterwards because he let himself and others that would follow him get in Serius Danger). In Germany and many other European Countrys, at least 2 or 3 Man are in a Unit for going inside a Burning Building, but they only do it if another Rescue Unit with also at least 2-3 Men are there. If that Backup Unit is not there, no one goes inside a Building.
Possible answer to my own question... my experience in the residential construction industry may have proved useful. I'm assuming they first evacuated with the soul Focus on the evacuation. Then I believe they vented the structure. Once the first structure was vented, they needed to vent the second structure. Doing these tasks would prove difficult while being blasted with water. I did not notice, but the chief said in the interview at the end that there were indoor hand lines. So I'm assuming those indoor lines we're running while exterior venting was being established. Thank God we no longer allow balloon framed Construction
Not knocking you....just adding to your story. I wasn't there, but from the video it appears that the fire was already self ventilated and auto exposure was the major problem here. One of the ways the balloon-frame construction became a factor is because the auto-exposure was not addressed by FD. The best course of action here would've been to get multiple lines (1-3/4 or larger) with smooth bore tips on the fire, open up the walls, and attic ceiling on the inside. Exterior ventilation without coordinating with fire attack teams will feed the fire and you lose the building! I can understand the sustained damage to the original fire building (the fire always gets a head start and FD arrives on-scene already behind the 8-ball), but fire into the exposure is neglecting basic firefighting tactics of hoseline placement. Just one man sitting on a 2-1/2 could've probably prevented the fire from jumping to the exposure! There didn't appear to be a lack of apparatus &/or manpower so that shouldn't have been an issue with directing hoselines. Asbestos shingles could be why there was so much fire, and it spread so quickly? or lack of water in the grid? ...but like I said, I wasn't there...Who knows what the first arriving companies encountered? Yes...Thank god for platform construction!!
I hate to be a critic, but this sure looks like it got a lot bigger than necessary. Didn’t see a initial attack, although I admit we didn’t know what was happening on the interior. No exposure protection. And then once the exposure was involved and the primary structure was well involved it took forever to get water flowing. Not what I expect from a department like FDNY.
With all those lines that were charged why didn’t they have massive water on the exposed structures why the others did search and rescue then once that’s done put water on the fire. As for that firefighter who went into the window and came out on fire. He needs training more. I’m sorry that fire was to close to the window. Unless there was urgent rescue needed no chief or Lieutenant would ok that move. He was a mayday waiting to happen. This was a extremely bad job by NYFD. With all those lines and all those fire fighter there was no way a second exposure should of caught fire and in no way should the first dwelling on fire turn out of control. I support the police and firemen so much and won’t hesitate to say it how it is. Don’t mean I don’t love them
It's cool being a Firefighter.... it's dangerous being a bad one... First of all... get some water on that fire... and second of all... that Firefighter who climbed in to the house. I GUESS he was looking for people... but if he would have find someone they would both be toast
can someone answer me this in a comment why are the flames sooooooo intense i watch these fire vlogs on here and this is the most intense flames ive ever seen its as if there is a propane leak
Balloon frame house. One single very tall stud. Open from basement to attic no restrictions once Fire gets in it acts like a flamethrower. Inside of the wall cavity catches fire fresh air is fed in from the bottom at the basement. Depending on the fire size that Rush of air can gain a great deal of speed and blow the fire out into the Attic. In the video you saw flames shooting from the roof. Firefighters will break a hole in the roof to allow that wall cavity to vent outside of the structure instead of blowing a fireball into a sealed attic creating an even bigger issue
I respect FDNY, but the guy on the extension ladder had no business in that building, after he took the window, especially if no hand lines were in play.
Not impressed..what's the point of throwing a ladder to the side just to break a window when its obvious the fire is a few feet away and is spreading rapidly because no water is being applied..
Over 200 on scene and you can’t handle a simple house fire because you don’t know how to put water on the fire? We would’ve had this out in 10 minutes with less than 10 people on scene on my department!
Tactic to defeat fire in USA is so sad and funny to... The gear of firefighters maybe looks good, but they can t do anything... Tactics is so complicated and slow. Why the one firefighter goes to tohe full open fire alone, completely useless?? They were breaking windows instead to get water on the building from oustide... in fire tactics, European firefighters are much further than in the United States. I apologize for my sincerity, but this is the reality...
Absolutely pathetic. Guys from a local bar could have skipped a bathroom break and p*ed this fire out faster. Some stripes in the FDNY need to be demoted over this s*-show.
No kidding. That FF never ever should have been on the ladder. He was too close to a fire that was out of control. No water. No backup. I’m a volunteer fire chief. Can’t believe what I saw in this video.
Through no fault of the men, they are well trained, sharp and brave. but surly the command staff. the FDNY rides on their laurels of years gone by. They suck and I am glad I don't depend on them. They need to go back to the basics of pulling hose use tank water and put the water on the fire instead of putting up the over rated towers and waiting for the fire to come to them. Of course they can always make excuses and bigger fires mean more men to stand around, but it looks good on paper reports. Over 40+ years of fire service! yeah Career officer not just a volley. Don't take my word for it, see for your selves just watch videos of similar fires in other communities.
I’d like to know how many people in the comments, specifically those with comments critical of the FDNY or their strategy/tactics, are actually firefighters?
Once again great footage of this 5th alarm fire even off duty firefighters are never really off duty well done Firefighter Piotr Orlowski
In the south we spray water on house fires, it works to contain and extinguish the fire really well!
😂😂😂 we do the same over here on the west coast. Seems to be the most effective way to fight fires.
I am so surprised on how long they had taken to get water on this fire!
They're inside putting water on the fire in the very first moment the fire is actually shown.
@@BuckHypervisor well they obviously weren't putting enough on it
I am very surprised that the #4 exposure wasn't covered with a line earlier in the fire.
This. WTF was going on here? How do you not have a 2nd line deployed there ASAP? Hell, the driver pulls a 2nd line and hits the exposure building if it’s a manpower issue. Can’t believe how long that was allowed to burn with no line in place.
suffer247 cause they need to know if people are inside you can survive a fire like this but once water is put on it its near impossible because the steam is so hot
ReverseCloak fn you keep saying that but have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Protecting exposures doesn’t put anyone at risk from ‘steam’. You can cool from outside, you can certainly knock down the fire that’s burning up the outside of the structure whilst putting no one inside at any risk. This is just poor fire suppression from the get go, if I was the second house owner, I’d be suing the FDNY for sure for my losses.
Why would they do that? You gotta delay putting water on the fire so that it grows to massive proportions. Looks better for the camera and then you can say that you went to a job.
Chris C no im not saying make the fire massive i never said dont put a line on it i said not inside because once water is put on the fire inside it boils and makes it hotter for anyone and everyone inside spray the siding not inside
5th alarm is a no joke. Praying for full recovery for those firefighters who got injured in thw fire. Greetings from Canada
I am by no means a fire expert, but it seems like they should have opened up on the fire immediately upon arrival. It almost looks like they wanted it to burn big. And when the fire began to jump structures nobody reacted until the second structure was Blazing. Is there a reason why they would wait to start spraying the fire?
Wouldn't it have been prudent to provide the second structure with some cooling Mist before it caught on fire
they need to make sure no one is inside it’s possible to survive a fire but when it starts getting sprayed if someone is inside theres almost no chance of survival because the steam is so hot
ReverseCloak fn you have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s absolutely nothing stopping these guys from knocking down the fire on the outside and protecting the exposures on the neighbours building. And a straight stream directed into an open window from as acute and angle as you can get can often reset a room to pre-flashover conditions and make the interior cooler for any victims and crews working inside. This was a terrible display of fire fighting by those in command, to let the fire grow to that stage without suppressing even the exterior is unforgivable.
Jim Wilson yea actually i do my dad is a firefighter once water is put on that fire it gets 1000 times hotter and is almost impossible to survive yes at some point it gets cooler but at first it gets very hot and can prevent a flashover but they need to make sure no one is inside first
ReverseCloak fn again, speaking as a firefighter myself, there’s absolutely no excuse for not knocking down the fire on the outside and protecting the adjacent structures. None of that will cause ‘steam’ to be pushed into the structure. Ask your dad about transitional attacks, there’s no point doing an interior attack to knock down fire if you leave the outside to burn and extend to other structures. As for you’re ‘pushing fire’ theory, if applying water from outside is done correctly this won’t happen. As has been shown by various studies, it can intact lower the temperature inside a structure reducing the thermal impact on both any victims in there and firefighters inside searching.
Bart Simpson im saying it boils anyone inside thats why i said they had to wait to get a line inside because their still doing a search and are un sure if anyone is inside that’s exactly why i said they waited to put water on the fire
I thought one of main priorities of a fire like this was structure protection? They could have avoided that other house catching fire
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3:24 "You wanna move the van? I got the keys!" ....Meanwhile the van is already on fire.
Jesus that Truckie is so lucky he got out when he did. We just did a flashover training at the academy it’s no joke. You can kinda tell when the rooms about to go he got out just in time
He shouldn't have gone in there in the first place.
Andy Oxley exactly. No point in him even being up there. I have no clue why the FDNY feels like they have to go break every window to ventilate a fire that has already self ventilated. Not like you were going to increase visibility at that point.
God bless these brave souls especially during these "peaceful protests"....
5th alarm 200+ crew members to fight a fire which most career depts do with 30 guys. SMH
They (NYFD) call for additional for relief. If you have the manpower, why not utilize it. Keeps the men alert. As for water on the fire, I do agree it seemed quite long, however, the first order of duty is to get everyone out of the buildings and conduct a search. This may keep the department from hitting the buildings with a strong stream of water. The safety of the men come into play.
@@glmike523 exposure lines should have been put into action a lot faster. You can still even hit the soffit of the fire building without harm to inside crews. Plus when truck member did his VES (alone & dumb) and the room flashed on him even a 7 second burst above his head could have thermal balanced that room to buy him time get out safer.
@@glmike523 From what I see the city is $3,000,000,000 in the whole right now , 120 extra men standing around is , to say the least , is an in efficient use of money the city doesn't have . I don't know if its a union thing or what , but you don't let the home next door burn without a search being done on it also . Fact is the exposure wasn't checked and two structures burned , not to mention the van that they had the keys offered by the owner .
@@joeboscarino2380 Wow!, so you equate money and call the men at the scene of a fire (not to mention 5 alarms) calling 120 men "extra." You sir, never have been in the Emergency Service. The home (side 4) was checked and in fact both exposures were checked for occupants. (One of which was owned by an off duty fireman) The vehicle, should have been taken out by the owner before the FD arrived. When the shout by someone (most likely the owner) that he had the keys, the fire was already burning under the front of the van. Secondly, when on the scene of an emergency such as a fire, the din or noise most likely would drown out whomever was shouting.
Back to the "extra" 120 men. They were there so to relieve each other. The heat, and the plain work load in a 3 story (2 buildings) structure would exhaust anyone. So, relief would be more frequent and that goes without mentioning the Air Bottles on their backs. One other thing, there are at time dangerous liquids stored in basements and attics and sometimes in the kitchens of homes. If, something like that ignited and blew up, it could take many fire personnel with it. Then, without the "extra" men there would be second guessing as to why there weren't 120 "extra" personnel at the scene.
To clear things up, I was never a Fireman nor did I ever work with any fire department. However, I was a ranking officer in the NYPD and have been to a number of dangerous situations where I wish I had "extra" men.
@@glmike523 relieve each other? Do they need relief every 5 minutes or what? Like the original commenter said, most career departments could’ve knocked this down with 20-30 guys. Also you wouldn’t have to worry about liquids “blowing up” if you put water on the fire in the first place!
I'm no firefighter but at 2:53 I thought what the hell is he doing putting a ladder there to go up when the flames were that close? I realize firemen run to a fire but that just seemed stupid and not a minute later he comes down with flames on him. There sure seemed to be no clear instruction at this inferno.
He was a idiot, no reason to go in that window, in the uk we would never do that. Should have had a hose covering that driveway to protect other house and the van, not a good outcome for the residents
That was most likely a truckle performing a rescue technique called VES... vent enter search.....u ladder the bldg vent the window enter the room close the door if open and perform a search and get out....it's high risk maneuver but if someone's trapped in there it may b the only way to get them out
@@paulsutton1042 My thoughts Exactly Paul.
@@artmccomeskey738 We call it suicide. Never go in like that without a charged hose. No protection whatsoever. As soon as he smashed the window the room flashed over and he nearly got Cooke. Utter madness.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels granted this is a high risk maneuver its a rescue technique not fire suppression.....high risk=high reward.....if my child or family member were trapped in that room it may have been there only chance of getting out .....The key is to control the door and get out quick....
Person: So what do you do for a living.
Fireman: i'm a firefighter!
Person: oh, so how many fires have you put out.
Firefighter: none, I just fly the drone. :)
Mike Maby you work as a team, your department fights the fire you also contributed to putting it out
@@PlutoTheGod I know, I know. .. I was just muckin about. ;)
FDNY has 0 concept of a transitional attack on ballon frames. Its the backbone of every New England department due to the building construction present thorough out our area. We all want to be super aggressive on the interior but this was borderline negligent. This is just something you don't see happening in New haven, Worcester, Boston and Providence.
Took 16 minutes from arrival until they got any water on it. Fire every one of them.
Guess you're too blind to see the multiple charged hose lines into the house and on the bravo/charlie side around the 1 minute mark.
@@dogma39-c4j Guess YOU are too blind to see that they could have put Tank Water on all the Visible Burning Material within one minute of arrival.
Unbelievable! Hard to watch the “Best” Firefighters in the world do such a lousy job!
We roll in with 6 guys (two engines and a truck)and we would have had water on that faster. 🤨
Mike Daub Thank you for your service 🙏🏻
Who let that guy up the ladder. Pointless and dangerously stupid
@@416nozzlenutz You're a real comedian. Or just an arrogant a**.
God watch over these brave people! 🙏♥️
For FDNY to be such a great department they sure do suck at putting out fires. I mean could you be any slower??
Let's not get a line on the exposure and save the van . That chief was consumed by the search event and nothing else .
exactly what i thought too
@@PEB2631 Exactly, yes you have to get a line charged and get inside to start dealing with the fire and searching but i watched a guy go up a ladder on the side and smash a window and all that did was help the fire spread down that side. There were guys standing around who could have got a charge line to work on knocking the fire down on the side, the van and the building next door. That fire got far worse than it needed to get.
You could even hear a guy saying I have the van key u wanna move it but he was ignored then they let the fire spread to the next house
@Bart Simpson He had the manpower , he could have put a line to check the spread without putting water on the exposure . Like I said he was worried about the guys inside searching . He didn't want to produce a steam plume inside the home . Saying that he could have put water on the van and the home next door .
Question is why do you take them so long to get a hose line down in between the houses?
Was that guy in there by himself, and with no one monitoring him? Might be missing something that wasn’t in the video...
It's NY. A lot of old style work. Not for nothing but watch Boston on Mansfield St. (4 parts ).
OMG how long does it take to get some water out of a hose????
Hey, if we wait maybe we can extinguish the whole block. Geez, protect the adjacent homes!
Any of you FDNY Buffs remember the FDNY Borough Call signals and the Simultaneous call signals during the FDNY war years?
Is it me or have there been a ton of good jobs lately in the Big Apple.
No one thinks to move the vehicles before they become bombs??
I know right! Unless they left the keys inside due to panic. I don’t see why not. They were just standing outside the house while the driveway was clear.
Yeah , no one thinks to pull a line to the blazing side of the house
I was wondering the same thing. It took 4ever to protect that exposure. And wtf is that guy going up the portable ladder without a line.
So he could leave it there to melt in a few minutes.., which it did... government employees smh!
VEIS. You don't use a line to search
The hell did the build that house with,thermite?!?!
Cedar shingles looks like... Highly flammable!
No those buildings have no firebreak inbetween the floors so once fire gets behind the lathe and plaster/Sheetrock there is nothing to stop the fire from rapidly spreading to all floors... this building was a loss right away but the exposure to the right could have probably been saved if they had a protection line deployed
Cedar seems more the case. My grandparents house still has the old existing cedar planks behind the new walls. She always called it a timber box.
WTF! I guess only rookies show up tonight, to hard to watch
Whoever was in charge, or was there anyone, should have a lot of explaining to do. Seems to me that most of the constructive comments come from firefighters or ex firefighters who have knowledge and experience the rest come from those who haven’t got a clue. What started as a single structure involved at the rear turned out to be nearly a conflagration watched by 200 “firefighters” before someone remembered the fire triangle ..Very poor effort..
Ok so either the “critics” here half no brain or they didn’t think. 1- did you ever fight a fire yourself to tell these brave men and women what type of job they did? 2nd of all, the van had chemicals. You can put water on something you don’t know. You put water on it and the other second it blows up. 3- Power lines. Reason why there was no water going to the flames is because they had to make sure all electricity was off or else you would see a nice big boom.
Edit- also remember, you don’t know how stable a structure is. And no their first thing to do isn’t put water on the fire. It’s to evacuate anyone who might be harmed with the fire either now or later.
Oleg OBVIOUSLY has NO idea what the he'll shes talking about.....
ZERO
Why was homey all alone going in for the VES??
That’s the job of the OVM at a residential frame. He was absolutely doing his job. What’s hard to believe is that with a total of 5 alarms, there weren’t any other OVMs operating with him.
We are talking about the FDNY here. You would think they wouldn't need to be trained on the basics of apply water to Visible Burning Material. It's the attitude of the officers from the top town that are trying to make firefighting more glamorous. Everyone thinks they are heroes Just for Joining Up, Dressing Up and Showing Up. How exciting is putting out the fire as soon as your arrive?. Much more heroic and exciting to run blindly into a burning building while the fire threatens not only them but any victims. They only care about them for the photo op as they come out the door. I know human nature. Don't doubt that for one second. Only small town departments give a damn and get the job done because they are protecting their neighbors, not just punching a clock. After all, we are talking about breaking windows a squirting water. You have to try real hard to screw that up. P.S. I was a Third Generation Firefighter who got the Job done.
FDNY are the bravest !
this is one fire i am not impressed with FDNY. call me whatever but that was piss poor. great video
I don't know the tactics of the American firefighters. On the video we see a lot of people waiting, no water, no fire attack, no protection of the neighboring house. There are many, for what reason, not several teams, one team to explore to look for a possible victim, another to start the fire attack. Can someone answer me?
Thank you from France.
Rescue then exposers , but with all the men on scene both could have happened at the same time !
wow 2 fucking hundred personnel on the fire and this much destruction how crazy
Congratulations! You saved two basements....SMH
JB91710 yeah I meant no disrespect but it seems it could have been contained to a 2 alarm at most and not escalated to a 5 er
What a great representation of the EMS branch of FDNY.....smh KIDDING
How much property do they wanna lose while they decide weather water is a good option to fight a fire.
Anyone know if they ever managed to get any water on the fire yet? What a gong show, typical FDNY video, 200 guys standing around leaning on pike poles watching the structure burn. This is embarrassing to watch.
Pretty sure a bunch of vollies are watching this with their pants around their ankles
@@JB91710 oh so you're an FDNY FANBOY..do you have replica FDNY toy fire trucks so you can pretend you're doin it just like them..
How come they didn’t back out the Ford Van and Lexus? Probably too panicked to think about it I guess right? They probably left the keys inside. But good thing everyone got out, since that’s what is important.
Also your going to have exposer problems to the south house and wires to the south and to the garage. Notice how the do a defensive attack,/transitional with everyone doing there part by getting roof ladders up, pulling a line, forcing entry, starting a primary, using the s-a-d method, (surround and drown), and then they would use ‘sbv’ ;suppression, before ventilation)
I'm assuming there was an water supply issue.. because there's no way they loss 2 structures.
Its weird to see fdny firefighters not in Manhattan because thats where you would most commonly see them not in the suburbs pf houses but their are still fdny no matter what
Normally the FDNY is on their game but they really blew it with this one. Way way too long to get an exposure line on that side.
That firefighter was brave, but dumb. It was a matter of time, before he would find himself caught between TWO fires. There should have been water on the exposure AND the van, before he went up.
There is no such thing being brave and dumb. Its one or the other and without being unkind he was dumb.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels LOL, most bravery comes from a situation, where you don't have (or don't allow yourself) time to think, really. I imagine he was trying to search for victims, and overlooked the possibility he might become one.
@@33lex55 I think he certainly overlooked the fact he might become a victim. I cannot understand why anyone would go solo up a ladder into a fire compartment without a thermal image camera and a charged hose of some sort to protect himself.
Too bad for the van that too went up in flames...5:29...😒😒😒
Didn't even try to get a line over there .
Can any of the brothers provide a reasonable response as to why this job went to a borough call? Either there’s a lot more to what was going on, or shit has gone completely out of control. Seriously. Have the bosses quit letting the officers run their crews and handle their positions? There’s a lot of young faces wearing gear I’ve noticed over the last 5-10 years. WTF happened?
This is FDNY Seriously?!? "Whahappened"? LAFD, Show'em how it's done! Total circus! No exposure protection til it lit up. Would expect that from a small town Volunteer FD. Not FDNY.
Fire I was chief of a small vol Dept ( which now is combo ) don’t down us vol we always protected exposures
Greetings from Germany.
What the Hell are those Fire Fighters from New York are doing? There are no Hoses to Protect the neighboring Houses, and especially, what the Hell was that Fire Fighter Doing when he climbed alone into that Window where the Fire was surely in the Room next to it? They let Equipment stay near the Fire, they let the Fire spread to the other House....
Here in Europe and especially Germany, those Fire Fighters would have such a strict Lecture afterwards for there sloppy Job. We Europeans cant understand why Americans try to run into burning Houses when they are lost Cases and most of there Tactics are really weird, but this is something New. There would be if the Water is there in not more then 5 Minutes Hoses Left and Right of the Burning House to Protect it and fighting it comes afterwards. Also running into Burning Houses alone? If someone trys it here in Europe he can even get kicked out ( I Think something like that happend to an Firefighter in London 2 or 3 Years ago, he was running into an Burning House alone and saved a Person, but he got kicked out afterwards because he let himself and others that would follow him get in Serius Danger). In Germany and many other European Countrys, at least 2 or 3 Man are in a Unit for going inside a Burning Building, but they only do it if another Rescue Unit with also at least 2-3 Men are there. If that Backup Unit is not there, no one goes inside a Building.
Possible answer to my own question... my experience in the residential construction industry may have proved useful. I'm assuming they first evacuated with the soul Focus on the evacuation. Then I believe they vented the structure. Once the first structure was vented, they needed to vent the second structure. Doing these tasks would prove difficult while being blasted with water. I did not notice, but the chief said in the interview at the end that there were indoor hand lines. So I'm assuming those indoor lines we're running while exterior venting was being established. Thank God we no longer allow balloon framed Construction
Not knocking you....just adding to your story. I wasn't there, but from the video it appears that the fire was already self ventilated and auto exposure was the major problem here. One of the ways the balloon-frame construction became a factor is because the auto-exposure was not addressed by FD. The best course of action here would've been to get multiple lines (1-3/4 or larger) with smooth bore tips on the fire, open up the walls, and attic ceiling on the inside. Exterior ventilation without coordinating with fire attack teams will feed the fire and you lose the building! I can understand the sustained damage to the original fire building (the fire always gets a head start and FD arrives on-scene already behind the 8-ball), but fire into the exposure is neglecting basic firefighting tactics of hoseline placement. Just one man sitting on a 2-1/2 could've probably prevented the fire from jumping to the exposure! There didn't appear to be a lack of apparatus &/or manpower so that shouldn't have been an issue with directing hoselines. Asbestos shingles could be why there was so much fire, and it spread so quickly? or lack of water in the grid? ...but like I said, I wasn't there...Who knows what the first arriving companies encountered? Yes...Thank god for platform construction!!
Such pretty homes, so sorry.
Looks like these guys need to watch and study some Stockton Ca Fire Dept. videos. They have a great channel. This was painful to watch.
What started it
Global warming.
Apparently Trump
I hate to be a critic, but this sure looks like it got a lot bigger than necessary. Didn’t see a initial attack, although I admit we didn’t know what was happening on the interior. No exposure protection. And then once the exposure was involved and the primary structure was well involved it took forever to get water flowing. Not what I expect from a department like FDNY.
Lol you can really tell where people are from around the world when it comes to firefighting.
With all those lines that were charged why didn’t they have massive water on the exposed structures why the others did search and rescue then once that’s done put water on the fire. As for that firefighter who went into the window and came out on fire. He needs training more. I’m sorry that fire was to close to the window. Unless there was urgent rescue needed no chief or Lieutenant would ok that move. He was a mayday waiting to happen. This was a extremely bad job by NYFD. With all those lines and all those fire fighter there was no way a second exposure should of caught fire and in no way should the first dwelling on fire turn out of control. I support the police and firemen so much and won’t hesitate to say it how it is. Don’t mean I don’t love them
It's cool being a Firefighter.... it's dangerous being a bad one...
First of all... get some water on that fire... and second of all... that Firefighter who climbed in to the house. I GUESS he was looking for people... but if he would have find someone they would both be toast
When laying lines why do they not have a plan instead of just covering the street so no trucks can get in?
I cant believe this.
Where’s the water?????
can someone answer me this in a comment why are the flames sooooooo intense i watch these fire vlogs on here and this is the most intense flames ive ever seen its as if there is a propane leak
Building materials
Balloon frame house. One single very tall stud. Open from basement to attic no restrictions once Fire gets in it acts like a flamethrower. Inside of the wall cavity catches fire fresh air is fed in from the bottom at the basement. Depending on the fire size that Rush of air can gain a great deal of speed and blow the fire out into the Attic. In the video you saw flames shooting from the roof. Firefighters will break a hole in the roof to allow that wall cavity to vent outside of the structure instead of blowing a fireball into a sealed attic creating an even bigger issue
I respect FDNY, but the guy on the extension ladder had no business in that building, after he took the window, especially if no hand lines were in play.
That fire is some sort of electrical fire or something else started it.
All those charged lines and no water being put on fire!!!
Makes NO sense!!!
Also, you never advance in to the fire without a hose line!!!
If this was Detroit that fire would have been out
Versus "Mansfield St. Boston MA"
Exposures!
Not impressed..what's the point of throwing a ladder to the side just to break a window when its obvious the fire is a few feet away and is spreading rapidly because no water is being applied..
@@johanrebel 😀😀😀
Over 200 on scene and you can’t handle a simple house fire because you don’t know how to put water on the fire? We would’ve had this out in 10 minutes with less than 10 people on scene on my department!
Tactic to defeat fire in USA is so sad and funny to... The gear of firefighters maybe looks good, but they can t do anything... Tactics is so complicated and slow. Why the one firefighter goes to tohe full open fire alone, completely useless?? They were breaking windows instead to get water on the building from oustide... in fire tactics, European firefighters are much further than in the United States. I apologize for my sincerity, but this is the reality...
ermmm water works better than talking ....
Absolutely pathetic. Guys from a local bar could have skipped a bathroom break and p*ed this fire out faster. Some stripes in the FDNY need to be demoted over this s*-show.
Take Care off your Fire crew!! Chiefs!? Firefighter on fire...in operation,it's yours responsibility!
No kidding. That FF never ever should have been on the ladder. He was too close to a fire that was out of control. No water. No backup. I’m a volunteer fire chief. Can’t believe what I saw in this video.
Anyone save the Torah?
Terrible! I think all buildings should have fire sprinklers.
Glad I made it with my Brain.
Through no fault of the men, they are well trained, sharp and brave. but surly the command staff. the FDNY rides on their laurels of years gone by. They suck and I am glad I don't depend on them. They need to go back to the basics of pulling hose use tank water and put the water on the fire instead of putting up the over rated towers and waiting for the fire to come to them. Of course they can always make excuses and bigger fires mean more men to stand around, but it looks good on paper reports. Over 40+ years of fire service! yeah Career officer not just a volley. Don't take my word for it, see for your selves just watch videos of similar fires in other communities.
200 + firefighters for a house fire? What gives? What do these BC know? Apparently not much. Both seem way too young.
ummm do you reallly need all these logos on the screen???
People take the video and sell them
at 4minutes....get the water on for crying out loud....why are American firefighters so slow to act....so 1 housefire ending up 2 houses and a vehicle
What a joke NYFd is....no water and no plan of action. Just horrible
1 day.
I will give you one day with us. Then you will see why.
I’d like to know how many people in the comments, specifically those with comments critical of the FDNY or their strategy/tactics, are actually firefighters?
Wow... not impressed at all!
Terrible job
Nyfd never lost a basement