As usual Martha Nussbaum is extraordinarily insightful and humane in outlining ideas for 'Enlightentment' in the Twenty- First Century. Her insights are always informed by deep knowledge both of the philosophical tradition and contemporary scientific researches and thought. She is also humble and balanced, as for instance in the remarks she makes about the importance of having empathy for others while understanding our limitations in understanding, even self- understanding, in doing so.
So refreshing. Martha Nussbaum is the reason I can talk about humanity in a reasonable fashion. I think the study of humanities in university could be improved so much if people would go back to some of the ancients.
It's good discussion, I was assign to read her paper. I found her idea are positive fundamental for desision maker who find equality for human being. It's good to have her more than Joseph Nye to possess US International Policies. If someone cover their brains by Interests & Securities, I don't know how the world trend would change in a good direction. Today, there are many conflicts and they are form Priority Interests between them. I think "Where is the love (The Black Eyed Peas)" is LEGEND.
@tyrannicoystercult Who are you to judge what is flawed, what is wrong, or what is "critical thinking". You are the reason we NEED an EQUAL RESPECT for all doctrine.
@uhrw3rk I am Dutch, lived in Holland all my live, am 20 years old. English is not my native language, and yet I could understand perfectly what she was saying.
@tyrannicoystercult Although I agree with your point about "simple wrong-ness" I think to be effective a distinction must be made between the philosophies of anti-clericalism and what I would call "pro-rationalism". The goal of any human endeavour aimed at being productive should be to be effective in achieving goals. In the context of this century anti-clericalism is not going to be effective as approach to social change as religion is now too diverse as an influence on society. (continued)
Equal respect is not consistent with enlightenment thinking, because we may find that some belief systems - such as the geocentric world view - are false and hence not worthy of our respect. Tolerance does not extend itself to falsehoods.
I thought the RSA channel was for intelligent people discussing different points of views, always in a intelligent way.... why so many stupid comments??? you guys aren't ready to look at this material, study a bit and come back later...
@LifeinaRaindrop Sure thing Chief, tell that to the Westboro Baptist Church which is carrying out one of the most successful conversion campaigns of the 21st century. It's sad.
it's simple, but you should perhaps try to google it before posting it here as a "question" when in fact it's quite clear you pose only to disguise your question no as the "attack" to that position that you in fact intend it to be. Human dignity refers to the fact that we humans are under the same conditions or constraints, that we need to fulfill common basic needs but mostly that we are all fragile and that we should care for the fragility of others that it's exactly the same as ours.
@tyrannicoystercult (continued) This diversity in religion prevents the rationalist from effectively "rallying the troops" into a cohort that will result in positive change. In the context of a global society that is now more highly connected via the internet than at any other time in human history, the more effective model is to be "pro-rationalist". Pro-rationalism is about educating and informing people so well that a majority become self-critical thinkers allowing rationalism to prevail.
At 12:45 she suggests that most of us are familiar merely with our animal heritage, acting on tribalism and family values--a mob of fundamentalists. But then, she goes on, there are those few (herself included, no doubt) who can be proud to think of themselves as transcendent of that animal heritage, more human than the rest. Astoundingly, yet painfully predictable, she follows this up with the condemnation of those who would seek to belittle those who are different by comparing them to animals.
Ehhh..... I'm 24 years old and lived like 7-8 years in the Staates - but to completely understand her I would have to look up like 1 word in every second sentence she says... for me that ain't "21st Century Enlightenment "
@brothamouzoune Creating and using technology is inherently part of us. It's what (intelligent) people do, and it's the only reason we're the dominant species on this planet. If you strip away man's technologies, all that's left is a naked ape that has to hide in trees and caves. We don't have sharp teeth & claws, thick hides, or huge, powerful bodies -- our brains and hands are our only assets, and with them we have, over the millennia, created tools that compensate for our innate weaknesses.
@brothamouzoune "I would say that science and technology have enabled some of the most grievous affronts to reason, freedom, and progress in my lifetime." Science & technology, like pretty much everything, are a double edged sword, but the good FAR outweighs the bad. Without them, your life would be very short and miserable. You'd be nothing but a cold, hungry, scared, ignorant animal. Technology is what makes us human. If transhumanism is a 'silly affair', then so is civilization itself.
Last but not least, she massively overemphasizes the importance of 'morality', while equally underestimating the importance of science and technology. This is a common humanist problem, and the reason why the philosophy is not just useless, but actually harmful -- an enemy of reason, freedom, and progress. It is time to bury this fossil and embrace militant transhumanism.
Is there anyway to approach these goal without letting huge swaths of society die off from drug abuse and excessive consumerism? American society is really unsteady, and is actually being deleted slowly due to its social cleavages. The death rate has risen, and many social groups are being completely deleted.
As usual Martha Nussbaum is extraordinarily insightful and humane in outlining ideas for 'Enlightentment' in the Twenty- First Century. Her insights are always informed by deep knowledge both of the philosophical tradition and contemporary scientific researches and thought.
She is also humble and balanced, as for instance in the remarks she makes about the importance of having empathy for others while understanding our limitations in understanding, even self- understanding, in doing so.
What a wonderful woman!
So refreshing. Martha Nussbaum is the reason I can talk about humanity in a reasonable fashion. I think the study of humanities in university could be improved so much if people would go back to some of the ancients.
That ring on her finger breaks my heart.
😊 #metoo
a proper balance between the head and heart
she genuinely wants it to be better and for me this is enough
It's good discussion, I was assign to read her paper. I found her idea are positive fundamental for desision maker who find equality for human being.
It's good to have her more than Joseph Nye to possess US International Policies.
If someone cover their brains by Interests & Securities, I don't know how the world trend would change in a good direction. Today, there are many conflicts and they are form Priority Interests between them.
I think "Where is the love (The Black Eyed Peas)" is LEGEND.
SHE IS ON POINT,
@tyrannicoystercult Who are you to judge what is flawed, what is wrong, or what is "critical thinking". You are the reason we NEED an EQUAL RESPECT for all doctrine.
RIGHT ON POINT
Martha Nussbaum on 21st Century Enlightenment。
April 17，2022。
@uhrw3rk I am Dutch, lived in Holland all my live, am 20 years old. English is not my native language, and yet I could understand perfectly what she was saying.
@tyrannicoystercult Although I agree with your point about "simple wrong-ness" I think to be effective a distinction must be made between the philosophies of anti-clericalism and what I would call "pro-rationalism". The goal of any human endeavour aimed at being productive should be to be effective in achieving goals. In the context of this century anti-clericalism is not going to be effective as approach to social change as religion is now too diverse as an influence on society. (continued)
Equal respect is not consistent with enlightenment thinking, because we may find that some belief systems - such as the geocentric world view - are false and hence not worthy of our respect. Tolerance does not extend itself to falsehoods.
is the two party system obsolete
I thought the RSA channel was for intelligent people discussing different points of views, always in a intelligent way.... why so many stupid comments??? you guys aren't ready to look at this material, study a bit and come back later...
@dereklearnslow YES SHE IS
@LifeinaRaindrop Sure thing Chief, tell that to the Westboro Baptist Church which is carrying out one of the most successful conversion campaigns of the 21st century. It's sad.
it's simple, but you should perhaps try to google it before posting it here as a "question" when in fact it's quite clear you pose only to disguise your question no as the "attack" to that position that you in fact intend it to be. Human dignity refers to the fact that we humans are under the same conditions or constraints, that we need to fulfill common basic needs but mostly that we are all fragile and that we should care for the fragility of others that it's exactly the same as ours.
@tyrannicoystercult (continued) This diversity in religion prevents the rationalist from effectively "rallying the troops" into a cohort that will result in positive change. In the context of a global society that is now more highly connected via the internet than at any other time in human history, the more effective model is to be "pro-rationalist". Pro-rationalism is about educating and informing people so well that a majority become self-critical thinkers allowing rationalism to prevail.
For me the 21st Century Enlightenment is philosophy under control.
@MadCTR sorry, I meant to say "some guys"
At 12:45 she suggests that most of us are familiar merely with our animal heritage, acting on tribalism and family values--a mob of fundamentalists. But then, she goes on, there are those few (herself included, no doubt) who can be proud to think of themselves as transcendent of that animal heritage, more human than the rest. Astoundingly, yet painfully predictable, she follows this up with the condemnation of those who would seek to belittle those who are different by comparing them to animals.
Ehhh..... I'm 24 years old and lived like 7-8 years in the Staates - but to completely understand her I would have to look up like 1 word in every second sentence she says... for me that ain't "21st Century Enlightenment "
@brothamouzoune Creating and using technology is inherently part of us. It's what (intelligent) people do, and it's the only reason we're the dominant species on this planet. If you strip away man's technologies, all that's left is a naked ape that has to hide in trees and caves. We don't have sharp teeth & claws, thick hides, or huge, powerful bodies -- our brains and hands are our only assets, and with them we have, over the millennia, created tools that compensate for our innate weaknesses.
@uhrw3rk Correct
@brothamouzoune "I would say that science and technology have enabled some of the most grievous affronts to reason, freedom, and progress in my lifetime." Science & technology, like pretty much everything, are a double edged sword, but the good FAR outweighs the bad. Without them, your life would be very short and miserable. You'd be nothing but a cold, hungry, scared, ignorant animal. Technology is what makes us human. If transhumanism is a 'silly affair', then so is civilization itself.
Kerala
Cloose but NO cigar. One must wash all the dirt off or the infection will continue.
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Last but not least, she massively overemphasizes the importance of 'morality', while equally underestimating the importance of science and technology. This is a common humanist problem, and the reason why the philosophy is not just useless, but actually harmful -- an enemy of reason, freedom, and progress. It is time to bury this fossil and embrace militant transhumanism.
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Is there anyway to approach these goal without letting huge swaths of society die off from drug abuse and excessive consumerism? American society is really unsteady, and is actually being deleted slowly due to its social cleavages. The death rate has risen, and many social groups are being completely deleted.
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I think she's somewhat hot!
You sir are not 21st century enlightened.
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Entersting dieloug but sorry very few people will understand it's importance for human being future!
More Nussbaum and far less from the man.
youre giving this person way too much credit. its just a simple person they get aggravated easily its a very sad state of affairs