Don't forget, buying a used car is better for the environment than buying new car (even an EV). A fully functional old car just being tossed in the scrap yard years before its time is a massive waste of resources! Remmeber the three R's! Reduce Re-use Recycle! Reducing our "consumption" of cars is the most important factor!
I was surprised that a money focused channel is promoting new/lease, when there are tons of cheap used EVs out there. They depreciate heavily because of misconceptions. Mine I just got in great condition for only $4,800 after the used EV tax incentive. It doesn’t have great range, but 99% of my trips are under 40 miles (more like 5).
I work at home and drive a 4 cylinder Toyota. I only go out a few days a week and it’s a small city. One tank of gas lasts me almost a month. I’ve also been to other countries with waaaaay better public transportation, and it’s a whole other world. That alone would make a huge difference and we could leave lithium deposits in the earth!
It's funny how city drivers are marketed as the ones who will benefit most from an EV, but because we drive so little, I think the opposite it true. I either drive very short (10km or less) commutes or very long (600km) trips, so an EV is terrible for me. Plus in Canada I like the heat from an ICE car. I still can't believe Tesla's solution to battery drain in the winter was to use the heated seats as opposed to the heater. I need both!
I think a fuel efficient used car may be the most environmentally-friendly way, relatively. No new manufacturing tolls on the environment while burning relatively less fuel.
Funny, I hear people in other countries complain their public transportation stinks. You're going to have to realize that cars are here to stay forever.
EVs are not designed to save the environment. EVs are designed to save the auto industry. Designing our cities for people instead of cars is a better long-term solution.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Public transport and bikes is way better for the environment than giving everyone a car. That's why Elon Musk keeps trying to ruin public transport.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698 that's the whole argument designed for cars instead of humans though, but it is a bit broader: many US cities have been designed for people with cars to drive through them. The argument says that cities should not be designed for through-travel in the first place, but for living instead. Making the area walkable and nicely looking are among the things that can be done to achieve this. This is just one aspect of the whole argument though and there are many nuances and stuff. My point is mostly that the idea behind the original comment does not limit itself to just how people can travel (safely and conveniently of course), and that as long as city design focusses itself primarily on travel (specifically by car, but also other means) and neglecting other aspects that a city should keep in mind, it is not designed for people.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698 They are not designed for people. Read up on some of the modern human centric city concepts. They have stores and things humans need within a two block radius. So a human never has to drive 15 minutes to get to the grocery store.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698There's also a problem that cities are too expensive for people to live in, so people need to drive from a rural or suburban neighborhood to the city for work. It seems like preventing access to personal vehicles in some big cities will either force people who cannot afford to live in the city move in, or force people to work outside the city and accept a lower paycheck in their local community. If there is public transportation from rural/suburban areas to the city, that would work. But then how would logistics for that work? Will there be a train station with a massive parking lot moving people back and forth to and from the city?
Are we not going to talk about the issue of repair-ability? Meaning that the manufacturer has more control with parts and software blocks that prevent a user from repairing their own vehicle?
@@oscarmurga3499reparability, or rather, unrepairability of EVs is what drives the number of totaled cars and higher premiums. The issue is 3-fold: there are no parts (ask Hertz how easy it was maintaining 100k Teslas -- and that's Hertz, not Evgeni-from-middle-od-nowhere). Next is "guys" -- EVs high-voltage rails require a lot of education and specialized equipment. There are not enough mechanics for regular cars, forget EVs . Try dropping the battery pack to get to something -- it's flat, it's heavy, it's easy to structurally compromise. Third, standards. There are none. Teslas don't even have an OBD2 port -- they have their own connector and software. So does everybody else. Together, this means very few EVs get repaired, only those with tiny scratches. Anything more serious -- total.
You have the same issue in modern gasoline powered cars too, they're mostly running on electronics. You can't fix a single issue without a laptop and matching software to talk to the car.
@@mariusa.5863 I noticed that a lot of new parents tend to buy an EV. It's like having a baby makes people suddenly more environmentally conscientious. Millennials are so weird. Can't afford a house, but tatoo's, take out, and expensive cars are fine.
@@mariusa.5863tattoos, like a lot of things, are fine to get as long as it’s within your budget. After all, what’s the use of saving money if you can’t buy something nice for yourself every now and again?
@@jazcaddell2443Good tatoo's still costs hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Plus you have to touch them up every few years. Point is, if you justify blowing money on tatoo's and take out, then don't complain about being poor. Same with subscription services, millennials often get expensive phones, with expensive plans, plus every subscription you can imagine.
Thanks for sharing a nice updated comparison between gas/EVs. Also, to make this discussion more spicy, if we really want to reduce our CO2 emissions we really must consider less car-dependant cities.
@@bigverybadtom there is. I live in a 3rd world country and my city is less car oriented than American ones. I can go to get groceries, to the drugstore and lots of services by feet. Super close.
Nah, this is America. We’re driving to the nearest McDonald’s. If you really want to talk about emissions and pollution, you should talk about Lithium Extraction and Disposal of Lithium Ion Batteries. Both are extremely awful for the environment. Nobody knows how to safely dispose of the batteries, perhaps garbage islands in China?
No. They eventually make you pay motor fuel tax on home charge (either via extra elictricity tax or ridden distance tax), and you would pay equal with ICE cars (acually more, because of increased insurance, tyres, lost time etc.)
And yet the most sold EV's in the US...eBikes and eScooters...must pay a tariff while automobiles EV's get subsidized? Car EV's are just like gas powered vehicles except they pollute a tiny bit less. Traffic jams and parking still looks exactly the same. Make no mistake; the car EV is to save the car industry and not the environment. If the US was actually serious about pollution, safety, and economics, then public transportation, biking, and walking would be given priority over car EV's that are functionally the same as ICE cars.
Owned an EV for around 6 years now and have exclusively charged on a normal wall outlet whenever not on a road trip. I get 60-70 miles overnight which is more than the average person drives. And with a conversion to the same adapter, road trips are getting even better!
I own an EV (model 3) with close to 100k miles. It is great, both from a cost, longevity, and environmental perspective. EVs get a 100 MPGe equivalent. I don’t know of any gas car that comes close to that. They also last longer and have less maintenance than gas cars. A Tesla battery will easily go 200,000 miles and still have 80% battery capacity. I don’t know many ICE cars on the road after 200k miles. Finally, it’s cheap to drive because of the high efficiency MPGe. I don’t have a 240v charger at home, but the 120V charge works for almost all days because I am not driving more than 1 hour a day. I will say EVs are not great for road trips, which is why we still have our ICE SUV.
A good brand combustion engine will work at least a million km. You can't beat that. Once EV battery is dead, the car is toast, also because the newer EV model is so far ahead, not worth the repair the broken one and no one will buy it. Dead battery is a big burden for the environment and it also has a big foot print until manufactured. I don't have the tools to calculate but an EV is possibly less environmentally friendly than an ICE in the long run, especially if used less than 8 years according to a research.
@@henrymakepeace I think you’re not taking into account that EV batteries can be swapped out in the same vehicle, and EV batteries can be recycled as well after they are “toast.” Replacing a battery module in a Tesla is something like $10,000. I would gladly pay $10,000 to have a basically brand new Tesla. This increases the overall longevity of the vehicle itself.
@@henrymakepeaceisn't that 600k miles. I haven seen too many gasoline car's go over 200k. I bought a used EV with 60k miles and it now has 100k. It cost me $8,000 the maintenance has been less than $100 it has 88 percent of it's battery life left and the replacement/ upgraded battery would cost me $6-8k so it works for me.
@@josephivan5094 The reason you don't see many cars with over 200k miles or even 200k KMS is that people think cars will break down and they're convinced that they're missing new features. Almost any ice car produced today can go beyond 1m km easy. Not sure what the limit for an ev battery is but EVs cannot become popular without full charge in 10 mins in well-spread station network. I can buy one the moment this is done and working provided an average EV car is sold at a reasonable price.
I wish this video had the Let's Run The Numbers section, factoring in fuel prices, insurance and maintenance over time. I also wish they mentioned the used EV tax subsidy as well as comparisons with PHEVs. I have a hunch that if you're gonna keep a car for around 5 years, getting a used gas car is still cheaper overall.
Except for it's not. Gas cars have far more maintenance and you're constantly paying more to run the vehicle. If you get a cheap EV you are absolutely paying less. We just took our Evie from Southern California to Dallas Texas so that we could see the eclipse this trip would have cost us over $800 just for the drive alone. It cost us less than $300 with the EV.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Wrong. My ten year old has Civic has required exactly zero repairs except new tires and brake pads. Edit for completeness: Also some wiring related to the doors, aircon charge, and CV boots, which an EV would also have. NOTHING on the engine. Zip. Nada.
Of course, a major issue with electric vehicles is one that relates to renewable energy in general: Electrical storage of irregular renewable energy sources, like wind and solar. Fortunately, sodium-ion batteries offer a promising solution, because even though they have a lower energy density than lithium-ion batteries, this is less of a problem with stationary applications (ex. solar-powered charging stations), and they have the advantage of being safer and made with far more abundant elements. The main barrier at present is a lack of commercial production capacity, but if LED lights and solar panels are anything to go off of, the price will drop quickly once the manufacturing infrastructure is established.
Just bought my first EV, Tesla Model Y - which was the most sold car in the USA in 2023. (excluding pickups) I paid little over $40k after 7500 ev credit. Insurance was on-par with my other vehicles (I also have F150 and Jeep Wrangler). EV's make sense - a LOT of sense - if (1) it's your daily driver/2nd car, and (2) you live in a home with 240v charger. Don't bash on EVs before you actually experience one. I used to say "ev's are not environmentally friendly" and "I love my Small block V8"... but after owning an EV... it is REALLY FREAKING GOOD.
We had an ev before having a house and before having a house with a 240v charger. It worked because where we were in California both my husband and I could charge at work and there were plenty of superchargers nearby. So there are many situations in which an EV makes sense. BTW, charging was free or very cheap at work for us ;)
Welcome to the EV world, it’s truly amazing. I don’t miss gas stations at all. And let’s not talk about not having to go to service for a ice vehicle. My tire rotations are done right in the driveway by Tesla. I always give the guy a bottle of water and $20 for lunch. Saves me tons of time.
No chance, used to change my car every 3 years but now own a straight 6 Bmw X3 for 9 years. It has only had 1 minor fault and other than a service/tyres I have had no payments for 5 years + years to come. It does 0-60 in under 6 seconds which is quick enough for me and still in excellent condition with 62000 miles. Living the dream 🍻
Wish my wife's X3 was that good, its had burnt out tail light, head light issues. Battery, tire replacements are expensive. But it was better than my Audi... but driving a model 3 for the past 3 years. Haven't had to set foot into a shop except for tire rotations. Most of the "maintenance" can be done by yourself with a 5 minute UA-cam watch. Heck, I even take my Model 3 on small road trips (100 miles out and back). I really like the car but we keep the X3 for the longer road trips.
Last year it was time to replace my toyota with 200k miles. Ended up with buying a model 3. Got the $7,500 rebate and state rebate. I will break even on cost with the increase in excise tax, insurance (for a brand new vehicle vs a 15 year old one) and a phase 2 charger at the house this year. Every year after I'll start saving money. So far zero maintenance, haven't stopped at gas station once and it's a lot to fun to drive!
Similar for me. Replaced my 11yr old Fiat with a Model 3 rwd. I saved over $3k just in fuel last year. Best car I have ever owned and cheapest to own. I charge for free at home while I sleep.
I doubt that that will be the case with the introduction of features-as-a-service business model for cars. With monthly subscriptions for heated seats, internet, etc. the bills m easily surpass the oil change and regular ICE maintenance costs. Insurance premiums are higher for EVs due to higher repair costs. Love the EVs and have had 2 hydrogen cars in California, but currently the savings of gas don’t make up for the increased costs.
@@smileychess good point, but EV’s are coming to the market in a time where OEMS are rolling out features as a service full steam. Any “gas savings” will be obliterated by a continuous subscription model that will bleed out the pockets of users. Also, repair costs are notably higher nowadays. Doesn’t mean that it could change in the future, though.
I'll happily take living in cities with less smog, tyvm. A central power plant belching it out sounds much easier to control and monitor than millions of cars.
To the environment that all that the CO2 is being belched out into, it doesn't make any difference as far as downflow effects. You're basically saying that pollution is fine as long as it isn't in your back yard. That's about as a 'selfish American' stereotype as you can get.
I disagree. Cleaning emissions from a central pollutor is easier than trying to deal with the emissions from millions of individual vehicles. Especially with all the lies we've been sold by manufacturers. And with solar tech now cheaper than coal the days of power from power plants belching pollution are drawing to a close.
@@scarpfish What he means is, that big power plants are more efficient and easier to control. For example, if you would like to have a new filter installed, you only need a handful of power operators to put it in their plants, as opposed to millions of car owners. The same goes for replacing the fossil fuel plants with clean electricity sources.
@artuselias you also have efficiency of scale. Massive power plants are much more efficient at converting available energy into usable energy than thousands of tiny power plants.
@@scarpfishThat would be nice, if it weren’t already proven by examining asthma diagnoses in high-EV density locales, that lowering tailpipe emissions makes the single biggest difference to human health since the advent of genetic modification of food crops. This is fact. Not fiction.
I find most discussions around the affordability of EVs to be pretty useless to consumers such as myself. I only buy used vehicles because I don't want to endure the brunt of the vehicles' depreciation. Are 10 year old used EVs or hybrids affordable and reliable? How much will it cost to replace an aging EV/hybrid battery? Seems like the elephant in the room that no EV proponent wants to touch.
Here's the thing...EV batteries have a warranty of 8 or 10 years and 100k miles. Not a ton of EVs have reached beyond the warranty period yet, so not a ton of people have paid out of pocket for a battery replacement. That said, batteries should be fairly reliable and long lasting. People think that because a battery is rated at 500 (hypothetical number) cycles, that means they just die after that, but it's really only at that point that they are down to 80% of their original capacity. They can still be useful for long after that, and plenty of batteries will last longer than the the vehicle itself. In fact, as more and more EVs are on the road and age and get into accidents and parts are salvaged, the price of replacement batteries will fall. Currently a used replacement pack can be found in the $6k range (Tesla Model 3 batteries and Chevy Bolt batteries), which is not that far off from an equivalently aged ICE vehicle engine replacement cost. A battery swap is also significantly easier than an engine swap.
There are a ton of low cost used EVs in the market. They’re especially cheap because people think their batteries only last 3 years. Just do a few hours of deep dive UA-cam research and you’ll find one that works for your needs and you’ll know how to evaluate a car for its battery degradation. Beyond that, there’s very little maintenance involved, at least compared to a regular car. But if you can’t charge at home, or regularly drive long distances, then don’t bother.
I have a nearly 10 year old EV, the capacity/range is still more than 80% of what it originally was. Milage is about 60k. Time, temperature, and amount of fast charging vs. overnight charging has more impact on battery life than miles driven, different from a gas car. As long as you can charge at home, with even just a standard 110 volt outlet you can get about 50 miles of range in 8 hours (depending on car model). Do you typically drive less than 50 miles a day? Just plug in at night and have full range every single day, no extra time at gas stations or electric charging stations. Most of the older EVs that aren’t crazy priced Teslas were “compliance cars” for CA, OR, WA and MA law, so they have 80 miles range when new. These aren’t good for road-trips. For commuting, getting groceries, etc? Great. They actually get higher range in traffic jams than going 65+ in clear traffic, and higher range on city streets than freeways - opposite of a gas car.
Used Chevy Bolts are decently cheap. With the federal rebate alone ($4k) you could get a used Bolt for ~10k (obviously depending on the local market, we got one for $14k) I'd personally go after the 2017-2019 years as they had a battery recall so most of the ones you can buy basically have a brand new battery. Range is over 200 miles. Only downside is they are pretty slow at fast charging, so I wouldn't recommend one for long trips.
Got a Tesla Model Y for under 40k thanks to the IRA, charge at home for only a couple bucks for a full charge and can go over 300 miles per charge. Also took a road trip to Canada and it was incredibly easy and cheap thanks to supercharging network. Saved tons of money over the past few years and the driving experience has been amazing, highly recommend.
I live in Canada and have a hard time believing your post. You must have only stayed in the large cities. The majority of the country is completely inaccessible to EVs. Don't get me started on the roads. You must have travelled to Canada in the summer or warm weather because our cold weather drains the batteries quickly.
@@a.jlondon9039 While there are some charging deserts in Canada (it's a big country), there's lots of chargers in much of the country. The only problems I've heard of are in Northwestern Ontario, and the North of the country generally. Even without a perfect charging network people have managed to drive their EVs across the country. So no, the majority of the country isn't inaccessible to EVs, only certain parts of the country, and the charging network is growing pretty much daily. So it's only a matter of time before you can go anywhere in the country.
310 miles is the EPA range for the Model Y long range under the most ideal conditions. In actual practice it's more like 260 miles and even less if you don't charge it past 80% and discharge it under 20% which is critical if you don't want to speed up battery degradation. Even worse in the winter. So it's hard to believe that you are getting 300 miles range.
@a.jlondon9039 even if yall did have a bad charging network u can charge at home. If u take a trip as long as ur car can make it to the next charger ur fine.
I have a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Bought it new September 2022. Had it for about a year and a half, and I regret nothing. I will say this, though: I've never been the type to recommend anything to others. If they hate evs, good for them. If they love them, good for them. I bought the car bc I like it. What others do with their wallet is none of my business, and honestly, I dont care🤷♂️
I’m disappointed that y’all didn’t mention the environmental impact of mining the precious materials for the battery. I’m all for EVs but there needs to be more regulation on mining these materials so we’re not hurting the environment in a new way ETA: I’ve gotten a few replies so I want to clarify, I am very supportive of the EV industry. Fossil fuel has created a climate change crisis. It needs to be replaced to have any chance at a future. With that said, we can be critical of things we support. Part of the problem with fossil fuel is that it was all of the hype when it first came on the scene. It wasn’t regulated enough/effectively and now we’re all paying the price. If we don’t put strong regulations on the dirty parts of building EVs, then we leave the door open for future crisis.
I agree that we need good/better regulations around mining, but the impact of mining precious metals is dwarfed by the impact of drilling, transporting, and processing oil. They would need to also talk about that too and this was only a ten minute video.
Did you care about the environmental impact typing that comment on your battery powered phone? How about the 3 decades of owning battery powered phones, speakers, laptops, power tools, etc? Yes it's an issue but it has always been an issue. Are you specifically concerned about mining cobalt? Does mining/drilling for oil concern you in the same degree? How about waging wars for oil?
@@Magmar947 I think we're mostly in agreement, though my understanding is that oil is actually worse for the environment than metal mining even in countries without regulation. As far as batteries being retired. I'm the US we are currently recycling about 5% of the batteries, some are being reused, and the rest are being stored for later recycling. They are not dumped in landfills for two reasons, it would be illegal, but more importantly, the metals are precious, e.g. valuable so EV battery recyclers will purchase your dead EV battery even if they need to store it while they ramp up recycling. For example, search for Redwood sell EV battery. This is a relatively new development. Last time I checked they were only taking EV batteries from dealers in California, but now they will purchase any EV battery.
@@Magmar947yep, cause that stuff doesn’t happen with the petroleum industry. I’m pretty sure the material mined for batteries, which have a path for recycling, is dwarfed by the millions of barrels a day that we move of oil. There is no comparison between the impact of mineral mining for batteries and the oil industry! Oil is a vast one way street to pollution, batteries have a life span and can be recycled once it is economically viable. Oil can only become pollution.
With ranges approaching 300 miles, most people in rural areas, like myself, charge at home. The "public infrastructure" is really most necessary for long trips, and interstates are well supplied, at least if you are driving a Tesla.
As long as you can charge at home (and maybe at work) range is a non-issue unless you're a hardcore roadtripper to whom a 1000 mile trip is an easy day driving.
Tesla is pushing out adapters for other evs to charge at their charging stations! I believe some are already out on the coasts, more to come next year.
@@rachelle2227 That's true, and there are plenty of chargers in the Midwest that are open to people with adapters. It isn't just the Tesla chargers, it's the smoothness of the whole experience with a Tesla.... And the cars' ability to update over the years as things change.
@@mindfreeze0838 No one is saying you have to buy a Tesla. But they are excellent electric cars. VW has a checkered last. Henry Ford certainly wouldn't meet today's standards for a decent person.... But people still bought their cars then, and now. But Tesla has a leg up/are a generation ahead on all the EV competition you will find in there US. Chinese cars, like Volvo and Polestar, are generally the only ones who really compete with Tesla.
I wish they would have mentioned that EV repairability and insurance cost are almost always higher. Any damage near a battery even if it doesn’t damage it requires its removal. Also in the case of Tesla, you could be waiting months or since they rarely have independent shops, cost is outrageous out of warranty
Yeah but Tesla's not the only vehicle. That's just a reason why you don't buy a Tesla. I can take my bolt to the Chevy dealer and it's not a problem and any shop can do the body work.
Most dealers aren't going to touch the battery. However, nearly all incidents that damage the car enough to impact the battery would end up in a write-off of the vehicle anyway, even for a gas car
All great points. People need to do their homework. Figure out how and where you are going to use the EV. Also charging at home with a 240V 50amp circuit is the only way to really go. Check local insurance rates for the EV as well. You do not need any surprises. AND also be aware some states are increasing their "license" fees on EV's because they are NOT getting "their" gasoline tax money for the roads or other use. And be aware of your local charging station situation in your city, or state for those potential long trips (200+ miles).
How was total cost of ownership not mentioned? Far lower for EVs now that prices came down & with credits. Even with more frequnt tires & higher insurance costs (for now), the maintenance costs are way lower without oil changes and other engine problems. The fuel savings are only part of this calc and the difference is widening. (Also this is wrong about not being able to get the tax credit for a Tesla Model 3 - some versions still qualify)
We’ve had an ev for about 2.5 years and we love it! We have a Kia Nero ev. It’s so nice to never have to go to the gas station. We have a level 2 charger at home. We did a few times have scares with a low battery, but that was poor planning on our part, and it was in the cold. The battery does really go down fast when it’s less than like 10 Fahrenheit. And it’s difficult to find level 3 chargers. If there were more fast chargers, this wouldn’t really be an issue. We plan for this now by plugging the car in to charge when it gets below 50% in the winter, and charge to 100% in the winter if we’re going to drive more than an hour. I’d like the ability to have more custom alerts in the car to remind you to charge or to tell you how much less efficient the battery is expected to be at the current temperature. We only go on drives longer than an hour and a half like once a year, so the issue of charging out of the house is small for us, and of course for now you do have to plan where you’re going to charge. It’s annoying how so many charging stations are confusing, and need you to download a new app to use it, and sometimes there’s only one or two chargers in a location.
I just bought an EV (my first car!) and I love it! Its perfect for me who basically just needs a commuter car. It would not be an ideal road tripping car but thats fine because my family has an ICE car too. As for changing technology I think that by the time my cars battery needs replaced we will have so many more options for replacement or upgrade and it won’t be as bad as it is now!😊
@@ssa6227 that is why ioniq electric 1st gen is so exceptional, You wont see one more than 5% degredation. Your argument it still true, exceptions don't make it less true.
@@ssa6227 My Nissan Leaf with no battery heating or cooling still has most of its bars, and it's now 8 years old. So degradation varies from vehicle to vehicle, driver to driver.
Just a note. KY, in all their wisdom, decided EV's & Hybrids need a separate tax since they do not use enough gas. So my hybrid cost an additional $60 when doing registrations, and EV's I believe is $120.
That's the road tax. The folks who do all that road repair work get their pay from a tax imposed on all vehicles that drive on those roads. Most convenient way to collect that tax was by adding it to gas prices, but since EV drivers don't buy gas, the state has to collect that tax another way-- the registration fee.
@@BogeyTheBear I do understand that, but the issue I have is that it does not equate. The gas tax meant for the roads changes depending on how much the individual drives. Drive more means more gas. More gas means more total tax for the road. So in a way, the more you use the road, the more you pay. This makes everyone who has an ev or hybrid pay the same, no matter how much they use, and it does not scale. It is singling out those cars. The EV cannot drive less to reduce that tax like a gas car can. An even playing field would be something more like taxing based off of weight. The heavier vehicle, which would cause more ware, would be taxed more.
@@mindfreeze0838 An EV sedan is no heavier than a light-duty pickup. The greater damage an EV inflicts is upon itself, in terms of tire and brake wear.
@BogeyTheBear thats the sedan form factor that people dont really buy, so can you imagine the damage caused by the cars people actually want to buy like the morbidly obese electric Hummer and the Kia EV9. Btw full size pickups arent doing the asphalt any favors.
I love my Chevy Bolt owned since 2017. I installed a hitch and has carried bikes, skis, kayaks and gone to lots of places GM replaced the battery under a recall and I had state and federal tax credit AND bargained 5000 off MSRP when nobody wanted one. It was so cool back then when I could find free chargers everywhere, but now with the rising popularity, that's rare these days. 99% of the commenters here have never even been in an EV. And I'm not against gas cars since I still own two, but I bet everyone who gets an EV, it will become his or her primary family or commuter car eventually because it's just so easy. No need to warm it up before flooring it in the morning, just press a button and go; one pedal driving makes it effortless to drive; the acceleration makes everyone else seems like standing still; leaving the AC or heater on while the kids nap or parked in the garage (I call it my only room in the house with AC); no messy oil changes as I do my own. My wife has literally forgotten how to get gas at the gas station.
Love the channel... a couple notes though: At the 5:00 mark you say that installing a new outlet will cost 1 to 2k. That is not true. The cost to install a new outlet or charger is mainly going to be based on how far away your electrical panel is from where you want your equipment installed. For example mine was installed by an electrician for $250 as my panel is near my garage. At the 5:40 mark you say people may be 100s of miles away from the nearest outlet. That depends on where you live. Here in California (Tesla only, not even including all the other options) I'm surrounded by super chargers. Drove my Tesla Model Y from soCal to Vegas no problem. At the 5:49 mark you say there are several different types of batteries. This is true but irrelevant. If the plug fits it will charge.
Electrify America puts in chargers at least 100miles apart. They have done a very good job ensuring that people have enough range in between each charger. We took our bolt euv with the trailer from Southern California to outside of Dallas texas. Even towing a trailer we made it. The only place is that don't have chargers are the smaller cities and the smaller cities don't exactly have a ton of apartment complexes so in all of those smaller cities the vast majority of people living there are going to be able to charge at their own home which is far cheaper and easier to do. A lot of people are going to be able to charge their cars from their home and never have to use a charging station. If apartment complexes would also start installing chargers then again we are removing the problem. Most people don't charge enough to put that much of a drain on the electrical grid either
Yeah there's only three types of chargers and eventually there's only going to be one type of charger. The battery has absolutely nothing to do with it it's only the charging port.
I rented an EV for a ski trip 2 hours outside the city. It was cheaper than a normal car because I didn’t have to pay for gas. The only downside was waiting 45 minutes with nothing to do while it recharged.
I'm also concerned with second hand prices, the ability to fix these vehicles as I do like to own my cars until they're not economically fixable, I also like to be able to diagnose and work on them myself after the warranty expires. Would I be able to buy a battery for a model 3 in 20 yrs or will it be just junk? No one is answering these questions and as much as I like cars I believe that evs should not only have standardized charging but standardized batteries so that they're not complet junk after a manufacturer decides to not support a certain model.
Probably new battery will be worth more than this car. I believe hybrid cars is the future, so even if Battery capacity goes down to 60-80%, it can have decent reach.
It depends on what part of the car you're concerned about. If it's just the battery, then it will always be easy and cheap to replace batteries. Unlike an ICE engine, the underlying battery is always standardized; it's the connection between car and battery (BMS or Battery Management System) that is purposefully proprietary but that is easily and legally bypassed. A battery and its BMS is stupid simple to assemble and install in a car/bike/motorcycle/golf cart/drone. I'd bet even anti-ev you could learn how to do so with a few YT videos. If you're talking about everything else (struts, frame, engine and engine mounts, body panels, delicate electronics, windows, seats, safety devices, etc...) then no, those are both difficult to fix and expensive to buy. And yet, that's for cars in general. Cars have historically always been extremely complex and fragile; that's not a drawback but a desired design by both consumers and manufacturers.
@@langhamp8912 Vintage cars (15yr+) also have problems with no parts. Battery is battery. As long as there are millions of Models 3 out there, you can always find a used battery. Our phones work the same way and are we complaining? Used phones works just as good. Just need a fresh battery.
@langhamp8912 remains to be seen, I have absolutely nowhere in my area to buy or rebuild a battery for my renault Zoe and the dealer quoted me more than the car is worth making it uneconomical. That's just now, what would be of this car in 20 yrs? Considering that this cars don't release any emissions while driven shouldn't be possible to make them last longer? Also what happens to certain manufacturers who decide to make the battery casing an essential structural part of the vehicle? I feel like we're using good technology in a shitty way over and over
A couple of things: Its more environmentally friendly to keep your current car on the road as long as possible. ICE cars are actually more efficient then EV's on the highway, but EVs are more efficient than ICE cars for the urban run. With that said in contrast to your statement about there being no best time being the right time, I really do feel with so much investment in EV's you will see in the next 10-15 years great leaps in the efficiencies of EVs, until then I really think people should consider hybrids if they absolutely need a new car.
Drove a EV for the first time after my gas car of 10yrs gave out. It was amazing. Getting used to charging but it’s free for the next 2yrs. 18mins gets me 3 days of driving. My state charges an additional registration fee of $220 for BEVs (battery electric vehicles) annually. Something no one talks about
@aaronlandry3934 nope, you said that it would lose 5% every year regardless of mileage, model, etc. You're just moving the goalposts, now. The reality is that it can vary. If someone abuses their battery, like routinely uses DC charging, drains it dead, charges to 100%, etc, then they'll shorten its life considerably. But you could apply the same logic to someone foregoing proper maintenance on an ICE vehicle, like skipping oil changes, running out of gas, not cleaning their fuel system, etc.
I was recently in the market for a new car. I really wanted to purchase an EV, but the cost, coupled with the uncertainty of potential battery obsolescence in the next few years, pushed me back towards the ICE options. As it stands, I have 2 ICE vehicles. A 02 Hyundai Accent for daily driving, and a 23 Toyota Tacoma for longer drives/hauling stuff. Hopefully in the next 5 to 10 years BEV tech continues maturing, because I'd sure love to have one!
Thank you guys for being a reasonable voice in the room. I constantly see commenters raising macroeconomic or sociological factors, and completely ignore the very real personal finance and environmental angle that EV’s are better for your budget and way better for the environment after a year or two. You pay about 25% of what you would pay for gas to fill up the car if you charge at home - maybe 35% if you charge at charging stations. The cost of most regular maintenance goes to zero. No more oil changes or engine filters. Even brakes need service less often (if at all) because you’re using regenerative braking more often. You only have to worry about tires, cabin air, and wipers. The number of mechanical things that can break also goes way down - no more fuel system, intake, combustion engine, exhaust, transmission, driveline, differential, muffler, gas tank, fuel lines, etc. This means way fewer things to break in the long term - something that is showing in the data now. Most people are not changing their batteries at all, even after nearly a decade of use. If you bought a Model 3 in 2017 when it first came out, and put the standard 12K miles on it a year, charging at home, you would have saved close to $7K on fuel alone compared to the average car, and probably another $1K in oil changes alone. Any random breakdown on top - inevitable in seven years of ownership - would have been costs on top. That much money saved should be worth everyone digging in to figure out whether EV ownership is right for them - not just accepting vague generalities about the class of vehicle.
Im an EV owner (Chevy Bolt) but i also know that buying an EV is only better for the environment if you were going to buy a new card regardless. Also you have to keep and drive the car for a certain amount of years to offset the initial carbot footprint compared to a gas car.
We have an ev, and we also got solar panels at a similar time (we needed a new roof, so the timing worked out). Eventually the solar panels will pay themselves off, and obviously this offsets the carbon footprint of the ev. Not everyone wants to fund solar panels, but it’s certainly a decision we’re happy with.
There are a few other things to consider that are kept conveniently hidden or twisted. So let's run the numbers! ...and facts: 1 - Electricity consumption and impact of the petrol industry. - One pumpjack consume 9800 MWh/month of electricity. - Oil Refineries consume 15-20% of annual electricity consumption for the whole continent (just in the US). - Offshore platforms burn 20-30 tons of diesel per day for their generators. The US alone has 610 active offshore platforms. - Thousands of kilometers of pipelines. Each section with a pump consuming 50-250 kW and working 24/7. - Tankers, each of them burning 200-250 tons of fuel oil per day. 2,210 are currently active tankers. - Land transport with semi trucks - ~ 40 liters of diesel / 100 km. - Gas stations with all their pumps and energy consumption. ... and we haven't touched on shale gas and coal mining yet. ... nor have we paid attention to oil spills, vented gas, pollution of rivers and groundwater, deforestation and wars for resources. 2 - Efficiency and pollution. - An average ICE vehicle is responsible for 260-350 g.CO2/km + NOx, SOx, CO and other harmful fine particulates right in the cities where we live. - ICE efficiency to the wheels - 18-25% (older vehicle even less) - While an EV is responsible for 32-48 g.CO2/km (at the current heavy coal energy mix)... Keep in mind that there are NO emissions during it's operation. NO exhaust gasses where people live - EV efficiency 80-90% 3 - Manufacturing. - Manufacturing of an ICE vehicle releases 5200 to 6900 kg.СО2, while an EV (+battery) releases around 5600 to 8800 kg.СО2. Emissions are equalized after less than 10,000 km. After 250,000 km the difference in emissions is at least 10 times more for the ICE (with the current grid emissions heavy with coal and gas). 4 - Subsidies and profits. - The petrol industry generates $10 Billion in profits per DAY and receives $11 Million in subsidies per MINUTE globally. - They own (or fund) most of the media sources and have wealthy lobbyist in every government. State and federal subsidies or grants to US automakers: - General Motors - $60,952,354,503 - Ford Motor - $41,537,511,916 - Toyota - $7,891,352,312 (+ billions more from a deal with the Saudis to sell more gas vehicles) - Tesla - $796,500,000 for its entire existence. For shared charging netwerk. Mostly loans that are already fully paid off +Multiple loan rejections. From 2016 to 2022 Tesla received $0 /zero/ 5 - The popular "planes" debate. - While a plane indeed burns a ton of fuel, it uses kerosene and burns it relatively efficiently at 10,000 meters above ground. - At the same time billions of vehicles travel 24/7 right in the cities where we live, breath and sleep. Burning diesel or gasoline with extremely low efficiency, releasing 260-350 g/km of toxic exhaust gasses (SOx, NOx, CO + CO2) and other fine particulates, unburnt fuel, brake dust, tyre particulates and so on. 6 - Controversial Cobalt - Cobalt is mainly used as a catalyst in oil refineries. But no one complained for nearly a hundred years. - The next main use case is in LCO batteries in small electronic devices (phones, tablets, laptops, smart watches). 60% cobalt. But no one had a problem changing their phone every year. - Cobalt is used in very small quantities in EV batteries. 3-9% - Most newer EV use LFP batteries with 0% cobalt. 7 - Recycling - Lithium batteries are easily recyclable and 95% of their components extracted and reused again. The only "problem" is that there are currently almost none "dead" EV batteries. - While the finite fossil fuels are burned... destroyed... gone forever. 90-110 million barrels per day. 8 - Most importantly... and sadly - 7-8 million people die worldwide due to air pollution.
@@subbiahpalani Woah there... That's a (summarized) product of a few years of reading and information gathering. It would look like a doctorate's dissertation. I'm also a mechanical engineer who used to work in the automotive industry. If you want to fact check, place go ahead. Google is free. I don't have a habit of keeping a list of all the sources... But maybe I should have.
@@PenkoAngelov Everyone should read this text, great points. I would like to add that lets say "salvation" is in diversification of transport industry. No one should be forced to drive something he doesnt want or what doesnt suit its needs. There's gonna be E fuel which is great. Porsche is developing it. Methane is great fuel too. Cheap and has big caloric value, can be made green also. Downside is its storage.
We love our ID4. Tows 2700lbs, lots of room inside for kids and gear, AWD was great this winter. Minimal noticable range drop from winter to summer. Sit down, step on brake and put in gear and you're on your way much faster than any ICE vehicle ive driven. We downsized from a 2 vehicle to a 1 vehicle family and are super happy we did. 17,000kms driven for the equivalent of about $500 of electricity (woulda done 5 tanks or about 2500kms in our Subaru). So about 1/6 to 1/7th the fuel cost. Own your vehicle for long enough and the initial depreciation those first couole years doesnt really matter as much. By year 8-10, no matter gas or ev, you'll have lost about ~75% of the sticker price. A $60k 2024 vehicle is gonna be a $15k vehicle in 2032 no matter what powers it.
really insane yall didnt mention other modes of transportation (biking, walking, public transit) while talking so much about how "green" EVs are. they are still cars and still require massive amounts of roads and infrastructure which is extremely environmentally costly on its own. Cars are literally the WORST mode of transportation for the environment; EV or ICE doesnt change that.
not everywhere has public transit, and rural areas you might have to travel a minimum of 15 miles just to go to the grocery store. also, most people in my area that don't work from home have to travel to an office 15 to 30 miles away
I would also point out that the video is about the economic implication of specifically EVs. Though a video on the pro cons of alt transit would be neat!
I’m a tesla model Y owner since July and have done a few long trips with it. Tesla has the best charging network and the map in the car helps you plot out how much charge you have and where the next charger is in relation. So for me range anxiety is non issue. Glad alot of the manufacturers are switching to tesla standard. The supercharger stations will be a little more crowded but I find there are enough all over and more coming to hopefully handle the extra traffic.
Great video. So far, I have own two EVs and I have been very happy with them. I am not going back to fuel cars. For the first car, I was in an apartment with access to chargers. The cost for charging was $20 per month. If you have a garage, it's a no brainer. Go EV. Install a 240V outlet and your are set. It cost me $500 to install a level two charger in Georgia. There is a special subscription with the electricity company to charge you car at 2ct/kWh at night. Very affordable. An important aspect is charging infrastructure for road trips. Electrify America is Ok if you are in town but Tesla Superchargers are reliable for long trip. Soon they will be open for non Tesla cars. If you can afford the cost (for ideally used or new), go EV. I forgot to mention...they are fun to drive!
I live in Australia, so the tax incentives are very different. I bought my EV through a novated lease that lets me pay for my car, as well as all the on road costs (registration, insurance, tyres and maintenance) with my pre tax income. Plus I get to charge it for free at work. I bought a BYD Atto 3, it’s a fantastic car and I’m really happy with it. It costs me $206/week out of pocket for everything as I mentioned above. I was desperate for a new car as my old 2003 Camry was dying. I ran the numbers and a brand new EV was cheaper than a second hand ICE car worth $15,000 or more.
I can afford an EV and would get the full credit, but I am planning on driving my 2012 Camry until it stops working. I never understand people who replace their car so often, like 5-7 years. It's not like they're obsolete like phones. Even phones are lasting > 5 years now if you replace the battery.
@@thedopplereffect00 Usually, you stop getting OS update after about 2-3 years and security updates after 5 years. Apple was the exception but they were also more expensive. Nowadays, Google/Samsung phones have support as long as Apple's. For older Android phones, some can be jailbroken to use LineageOS, but few people would want to deal with that. The "bottleneck" of obsolescence for phone is probably battery and it's replaceable for < $100. But, if you care more about your wallet than the environment, it's probably better to use that money to partially fund the next phone after 5 years. Five generations of difference even in a mature product like phones is still worth it. Ironically, for cars, they're putting in so much tech nowadays that they go obsolete faster than older cars. Personally, I can just use my phone for navigation, looking up gas stations, music, etc. Give me full self driving or get out.
I was once like you. My previous car was a 2015 BMW that I bought in 2020. The amount of money I put into maintenance on that vehicle... Was absolutely not worth it. It was at least a grand or more a year in maintenance costs. I've spent close to 0 on my 2023 Tesla. Not saying you have to buy brand new but keeping a car too long can be just as much a financial mistake, especially when you consider the trade in value of the vehicle. If you buy a slightly used vehicle and sell it in an appropriate time, that's probably the sweet spot of least maintenance to least cost.
EVs are NOT intended to "save" the auto industry. The auto industry just needs to further embrace this evolving technology supplemented by better charging infrastructure. We will continue to buy vehicles regardless of the kind of energy storage in the design. One day we will run out of petroleum and will have to have alternative power sources already fully implemented.
IMO, even though new models are still getting better and cheaper, it makes no sense to wait. If you can afford it, replace your ICE vehicle as soon as possible. Total cost of ownership is already lower for electric (and has been for a while), and the faster we get off oil, the sooner our air becomes clean again.
4.5 years in, and 110,000 miles on my model 3 Long-Range, and it still drives like new. Definitely better performance than ICE vehicles, and much lower maintenance and energy costs.
4:55 major mistake here: all EVs, new or old are able to charge off of a regular wall outlet. To be clear, it's not a good solution for people who drive more than an average of 40 miles per day or have a very large vehicle like a truck. But it shouldn't hold back someone wanting an EV who doesn't fall into those two categories
there needs to be a single standard charger for all ev cars, otherwise it will be a lot of wasted effort by each car manufacturer to install their own charger and each one not working with the other. Just make a single standard and have all of them be able to share them with each other
If some people can figure out how to make batteries that can take really quick charging (up to seconds), maybe we should consider to build a lightning/thunder power plant
It's not just about the batteries. You also need to deliver an incredible amount of electricity for fast charging. The grid is not ready for charge-in-seconds scale up to cities
Plug in Hybrids are better, they get better range and cost less ( I know this is about EVs, but don't overlook hybrids) The Prius prime, gets about 100 mpg
Regarding home charging, while it is a good idea to take advantage of faster charging, depending on how often you drive, plugging in overnight will usually get you more than sufficient range. Typically, eight hours of charging will get you at least 80 to 90 miles of range. 12 hours or more should get you over 100 miles of range no matter of the vehicle. Since most people drive much less than 80 miles round-trip on a typical day, the likelihood is that a standard outlet charge on a daily basis will ensure that your battery is full.therefore, you don’t need to do the upgrade as long as you have access to power
I bought a used 2019 model 3 in 2022. The cost was just much as a used ICE car that is comparable in terms of size and specs. I got an electrician to install a 240v plug in my garage for like $300. I don’t notice any significant difference in my electric bill maybe like $20 more per month. I no longer spend hundreds of dollars every month buying gas and no longer drive to the gas station before or after work or wait in gas line at Costco or Sam’s club. I no longer spend my weekend mornings dropping off my car to the dealership for oil changes or maintenance whatever belts or filters and spending hundreds of dollars every few months for maintenance. We have put 30,000 plus miles on the car. For the 2 plus years of owning my model 3 the only maintenance ever on my Telsa was changing the cabin air filter which telsa came to my house to do it for like $60 the only reason why I changed the cabin air filter was because someone threw up in my car and I got brand new tires after 2 and half years because I was dumb and I never rotated my tires 😂 that’s on me. This is our daily driver but yet it can beat any ICE car from the stop light 😂 We use the dog mode a lot for our dog when we have to run inside the store. We took it on so many road trips. You can absolutely beat this car up and it will still run like band new every time. The customers speak for this brand themselves. I don’t even comment on videos but here I am talking about the one car purchase that actually makes sense. Don’t knock it til you try it. Absolutely life changing car. We have saved so much money because of this car compared to driving a normal combustion car.
This is the most delusional post on the internet. you need more often tire replacements and tires cost more the insurance cost more and everytime you recharge the battery it lessens the lifespan of the battery and it leaks energy like having a hole in your gas tank aka wasting money just sitting there lol. also tesla's need oil changes aka automatric transmission fluid and fluid changes in every motor meaning 2 filters if dual motor and quarts of fluid like 4 qts or more. also the cars are unsafe during hailstorm hailstones will bust through the glass roof look it up lol. my honda crv 2014 with k24 is better than any ev on the planet i can back it up with facts. Wait untill you have to replace the traction bettery by the way the tesla model y and model 3 have 27 and 25 recalls actual manufacturing issues not just over the air update issues.
@@billybobbob3003 haha delusional my real life example, but ok thanks. I live in CA we don’t get bad weather here like that. Hail storm or whatever you said. I don’t need the car to run forever buddy. I got a lot of use already out of it for the cost. Thanks for your reply.
@@EightTo80 california gets everything snow,hail,floods,earthquakes volcano eruptions/mudslides power outages all the time you name it. lol you better off with a reliable form of transportation like a 4th gen honda crv.
I feel so sorry for most people now struggling in out of control inflation, so here are the EV facts that for some of you, are the missing pieces in your decision process: If you only drive just 12,000 miles per year 30 miles per gallon (between a mix of city and interstate driving) (assuming your car with perfect maintenance and clean fuel injection burning over the next 6 years, which is unlikely) Your still going to need at least 400 gallons of gas to go just 12,000 miles per year. or 33.3 gallons per 1000 miles Over the next 6 year's (even if gasoline miraculously stayed on average only 4.25 a gallon it cost a minimum of 12K X 4.25 or 1700.00 a year in gasoline It is much more likely to assume gasoline cost will be at least 6.00 a gallon on average between the years 2025 and 2030 I've seen some estimates as high as 9.00 a gallon in major urban areas, but at just 5.00 and 6.00 a gallon those annual cost are: 2,000 annually (at 5.00 a gallon) and 2400.00 annually at 6.00 a gallon, The cost for your electricity at home on Level 2 charging is minimal compared to how much you spend on oil changes and maintenance on regular gasoline powered cars. Battery degradation fear is largely overblown, and only apply's to some models with battery's prior to model years before 2022, If you charge the car using the 20/80 rule on Level 2 charging at home, which restores 150 miles of range in under 8 hours, you'll see little to zero battery degradation over the next 6 to 7 years, as evidenced now by people who are posting there long term ownership battery degradation experiences on UA-cam.
Depends on what you mean. You can have a level 2 charger installed which can charge an ev overnight. Of course you can also use a normal plug, that'll just take way longer
Just plug it into a normal outlet every time it's in the garage. Most people's cars spend the vast majority of their time parked, and most car trips are just a few miles. Many people can get by just fine charging up normally every night.
@@afc820 only problem with this is is that you may lose out on off-peak rates. The benefit of a level 2 charger is that I can charge to my daily maximum all within the off-peak rate of 5 cents/kwh vs 12 cents. Cheap all around, but it definitely helps
The resale is crap when you look at the fact these cars lose real range every year, ICE cars dont have that to deal with. A 50gallon fuel tank stores is filled and used the same way with proper maintenance after 10 years, a EV even if its properly serviced(and yes you need to service them because the motors do have fluids in them).
My feeling is that EV companies (and most new vehicles in general) are designed in an anti-repair way. Dealership only repair options, having to replace full/large systems/modules instead of basic components. As well as subscription based features. I will try to keep my 16 year old truck that any ship can work on running as long as I can.
Really sad to see so many non-EV drivers in this video commenting how EV shouldn't be a thing My family has one and only one car, that's an EV, we don't use it often, but when we do, we know we don't need to worry about our asthmatic family members wellbeing nor giving our neighbours lungs cancer
You say it's sad that non-EV drivers are being ignorant about your choice of transportation, but then counter with your stereotypical snobbery about how much better you are than everyone else because you're not polluting the air at the user end, while not being transparent about how the electricity that powers your EV gets produced. You can't have it both ways.
@@scarpfish I know exactly how the power in my EV gets produced. You do realize that solar panels exist right? And regardless no matter the source of the electricity it is still producing fewer emissions than a gas car. People have done the math but people like you want to remain ignorant.
Apparently 30percent of power in the US is now solar. Coal plants are being shutdown because they are more expensive. There's certainly more work to do but some encouraging first steps.
You forgot to Run the Numbers! 5 years ago I was in the market for a car around $5000. I stretched my budget and got a 5 year old PHEV for $10 K. The fuel and maintenance savings has more than paid for the price gap, and in two more years it'll break even with my old civic that got 40 mpg in fuel costs alone!
@@sethreinke9587 Good cars from what I hear. Anecdotally, all the PHEV owners I know are conservatives- almost like they're good cars when you want to save fuel instead of virtue signalling. And yet, Chevy dropped it for a Battery EV- better subsidies.
EV’s….. I just bought few weeks ago an RX7 FC3s single turbo, does around 4km/l and revs to 8,500RPM, 400+ BHP and I’m so happy!!!! Then for my commute days or local grocery shops I love to get my bicycle… The car I only use when I want it, and not be slave of an “automobile” which I know some people that uses a car just to pickup a milk 2KM away from home… And add to the note I’m living in Nagano prefecture, the winter is harsh!
Overall, this was a pretty fair overview of the EV market/situation. If people want a channel to learn more about EVs in detail, I recommend Transport Evolved. Tom Moloughney's channel, State of Charge is also good for learning about EV chargers/charging specifically!
whichever you get make sure you buy a spare tire and keep it in the trunk. new evs and hybrids don’t have them and you might be in for a surprise the first time you get a flat
Did they not mention the depreciation of the value of the car? When the battery's life is reduced, half the price of the car is just gone. And you have to pay $$$$$ to replace the battery.
ICE cars also depreciate in value? Cars in general are a depreciating asset. Battery degradation is over blown, other commenters already mentioned a drop to 85% capacity over 5-8+ years. Chevy has a 8 year warranty on their EV battery for a reason.
To me depreciation is a rich person problem. I keep cars until they cost too much to fix, roughly 10 to 12 years. My first new car was the 2022 Tesla Model 3 rwd. Love it. It saves me over $3k last year just in fuel costs and the LFP battery should last 300k to 500k miles.
Another thing of electric cars provide that most people don’t talk too much about is the fact that if you were caught in traffic, you don’t have to keep the engine running in order to keep up with anni movement. In fact, electric vehicle is significantly more efficient and stop and go traffic Than in open roads. But what’s more, you find yourself behind a roadblock for several hours, an electric vehicle is actually a much better place to be than a gas vehicle. While you will still lose some power if you’re running your heat or,you can shut off the vehicle and next to no power while you wait.
RE 4:09: There is currently one Tesla Model 3 variant that qualifies for the $7,500 tax rebate. According to the Tesla website: Tax Credit for Each Vehicle: - Model 3 Performance: $7,500 - Model X Dual Motor: $7,500 - 2024 Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive: $7,500 - Model Y Long Range: $7,500 - Model Y Performance: $7,500
If you live in a city, odds are that you live in multifamily housing, making it a real PITA to get a charger installed at your home where you park, and quite expensive. Like $10k instead of $2k that simgle family home dwellers get to pay. If the country wants to incentivise people into buying electric they need to address this barrier to entry. New EV sales were more than 35% of new car purchases in some urban areas in 2023 (California), already way more than 7%, and despite it being challenging for the majority of residents to charge at their multifamily homes. Also, homeowners live in both single family homes and multifamily homes, as do renters.
One thing I rarely ever see mentioned is the environmental impact of mining/refining lithium, and what that does to local soil and water. While not warming the planet, it is having other environmental effects. Only considering climate change ignores plastic in the ocean, landfills, and toxicity of synthetic chemicals like pfoa.
!!!! This I was looking for this exactly. Its actually kind of troubling when it's not mentioned..I listened to The Daily and about 2 years ago talked about this exact topic. It is so crucial that we understand what is happening to our sea life and seafloor! Makes me really sad.
When you take into account the mining of lithium and cobalt, it takes about 2 years of driving to offset the extra emissions from mining. So as long as you drive the car longer than the average car owner, it’s a net benefit. This also doesn’t take into account that most Ev batteries are recyclable, however.
Please tell me all about the environmental impact of oil extraction. From fracking, to abandoned wells, to spills, speaking of which there's still oil coming out of the ground in Prince William Sound, Alaska, from a spill in the 1980s! All of that is "fine", but how dare we do even minor damage to change to something that does way less damage over all? The oil industry thanks you for their defense, even as they pick your pocket to line theirs.
@@jimthain8777 you are putting words in my mouth. You are straw-manning. I never said stay on fossil fuels. I said lithium/cobalt mining and refining is rarely covered when it comes to the conversation of environmental impact of EVs. To my knowledge, Hydrogen Fuel Cells are better for the environment than Lithium Ion Batteries when it comes to energy storage (assuming we move nuclear/renewable energy generation). While hydrogen is scary due to its flammability, there is research proving this can be negated if hydrogen as stored an easily separable compound with magnesium (I believe hydrogen powerpaste is what this compound is being called). After use, this magnesium can be recycled for use as more powerpaste, the only emission from the engine is water vapor, and mining/refining of magnesium (to my knowledge) is better for the environment than lithium/cobalt refining. It requires high heat to bond the hydrogen to the magnesium, but again, if we use renewables/nuclear as an energy source, emissions are not a worry. Ultimately we should move away from the automobile. We need to build safe, high speed, passenger train infrastructure, and have more frequent train schedules. Trains are much more energy and emssions efficient than cars if you consider the volume of passengers trains can shuttle. What we need is better rail infrastructure and civil planning for more walkable towns. Suburban sprawl has had a major impact on the environment. I suggest channels like NotJustBikes and StrongTown.
@@andy.morris it's more than the emissions. It's the water pollution which kills animals, and runoff water from flats can lead to soil contamination, killing plants. There are very few environmental safety regulations when it comes heavy metal mining and refining. Not to mention deforestation needed for setting up shop. Regardless of runoff, once all the lithium in the area is minined and refined, the soil of the flats are so heavily toxic, no plants can grow there afterward.
I worry that EVs will be disposable because the batteries cost SO MUCH to replace and they will contribute to more trash because they only last so many miles. Better for the environment to just buy used cars. My partner is a car enthusiast and has owned and personally maintained over 35 old BMWs with most of them reaching 200 to 250k+ miles and they are usually 90s to early 2000s cars so 20-30 yrs old. They run great because he is skilled but the point is they're ABLE to run at this old age. Will EVs be able to last 20 yrs?
EV batteries are way too valuable to throw away. They get reused way more than recycled. Battery recyclers are struggling to get used packs from even totaled EVs because the packs are quickly bought on the secondary market to be used for other projects.
@@ramelchilds7416 3 days for 40 miles. it's luckily not a full EV, since Toyota refuses to fully commit until they are ready because they are more or less perfectionists. Their only full EV is the bz34/Subaru Solterra which are both the worst EVs you can buy, alongside the Nissan leaf
Assaults->EV’s only work for people who charge at home and take short trips. The other problem is charging station availability with almost 50% broken. Then there is a bigger scarier problem if you live in an area or travel through an area with crime…..charging station assaults, many of which never get reported, let alone prosecuted. They especially target out-of-state plates. This why my wife will never do a trip in the EV again. The other pesky little problem is that EV’s contribute 20% more tire microplastic to the environment per vehicle. Imagine what happens when electric trucks hit the roads?
By your comments I can tell you didn't have a Tesla. I have only ever had 1 supercharger stall not work out of the 69 or so I have used. I have not felt unsafe at any of the stations but I also plan where I stop based on what's in the area.
To everyone saying EVs aren't about saving the environment, that's incorrect. How likely do you think it is to get everyone to take a bus to work and sell their car? Even with public transit funding, EVs are a very necessary step to reducing total emissions.
@@sigaev11 it might not be to some, but those that want to ride a bike or take a bus already do so, regardless of vehicle options on the road. The realist in me says, we can't have mass change disrupting how a society operates within a short amount of time. Electric cars serve a purpose of steps towards carbon neutrality while maintaining the free marketplace that allows consumers choice of how to live.
Local pollution. Localized pollution is directly correlated to gas cars. This directly affects human health because it is so concentrated. This causes the yearly deaths we hear about. It is always better to drive an EV, or don't drive at all. Walk or bike
The sad thing is it takes 6kWh worth of electricity for each gallon of gasoline (from well to tank). All jack wells use electricity, all pipelines use electricity both from the well to the refinery and from the refinery to the distribution points. Plus the refinery itself. We complain about not making a pipeline from Canada to TX and somehow think crude doesn't get pumped thousands of miles. You can drive an EV 24 miles on just the electricity, coal or not, used to pump, refine and deliver each gallon of gasoline. So not only is there significant pollution in the refining process the whole process also uses a significant amount of electricity. Gas cars also use electricity.
If you want to “save the environment”, allow Chinese EVs and encourage them to install more solar panels and wind farms. You decarbonize transportation and industry (which happens mostly in China). But if you use this opportunity for trade wars, protection and income transfer by limiting EV credit to low earners, that is what you achieve.
Many arguments can be made for and against EVs, but it would be ridiculous to talk about the environmental impact if we are going to exclude the high environmental cost of mining materials for the batteries. At the end of the day, replacing ICE vehicles with EVs will not be the sole answer.
But you see, mining is not done in the US, therefore data cannot be trusted, and shouldn't make it in the report. How convenient. Plus, it's not just mining -- it's the compound interest too. The fuel you will burn in 4 years will not be in the atmosphere for 4 years (until you actually burn it). Mining was done yesterday, and all that CO2+rest-of-emissions will sit there for 4 years, diligently warming the planet.
This "high environmental impact" is still nowhere near the impact from mining fossil fuels. We're talking 180K metric tons of lithium mined in 2023, and 15 BILLION metric tons of fossil fuels mined in 2021. So you're right, EVS will not be the sole answer, there's no way we can reduce 15,000,000,000 with only 180,000.
Being in manufacturing with my hand in a lot of ICE components, EVs really are a mixed bag. Not only is battery technology/disposal a major concern, but the power grid itself. The amount of stress EVs may put on the grid (especially if everyone charges the same time, roughly 5-6 PM weeknights), we got a lot of work ahead of us for that. We're also playing this silly game of "Do everything but address the problem directly". Regulations have pushed vehicles into becoming larger and sucking up more gas over teh last 40 years. We got literally half of surburbia driving around trucks and large SUVs at a half to a third of the fuel efficiency even a hybrid can offer.
Really great video from you guys on the state of the EV industry. It'll be interesting to see if there are any policy changes with the upcoming election year
First time Tesla buyer and I can tell from experience biggest con now is insurance is still higher than gas car. What makes it worst Tesla own insurance is based on how well you drive expcting you to drive their way and not your way where you are comstantly monitored. I had a couple of false frontal alert cause AI but they ding you for it. If you driver after 2 am you are ding. There are law suit towards Tesla on it. My premium went up $85 within one monthcause Tesla did not like how I drive.
5:05 citation needed. While SOME 240v charging can cost 1-2k, it in no way has to. It is legal to DIY and if the panel is in the garage can be done for less than $100 worth of materials + EVSE. If wiring a 14-30 or 14-50 is outside of your comfort zone, you could do a 6-20 which uses the bog standard 12/2 Rolex wire most of your house has anyway, and is very minimally different than wiring in a ordinary 120v outlet. A electrician should also charge much less for this than they would a 6-50 or similar high amperage circuit. How practical is the relatively low powered 6-20? Honestly, it’s very possibly all that the majority really need. A Tesla model Y will charge at 14mph per tesla, and that works out to 112 miles of range over an 8 hour night. We can round that down to 100 miles for the average passenger EV, and being the average daily is under 50 miles that’s more than enough. You can very easily get a charger installed under $500 DIY including your EVSE. I myself use a model connector ($250) with a 14-30 outlet, $100 in materials (6ft wire), and $45 for the additional adapter.
I bought a Tesla Model Y in December 2023. In these 5 months, I have spent $53 USD for electricity for my car. The lowest battery charge I have reached so far is 42% for groceries and errands Sunday. Ohh! And $0 USD in maintenance.
Don't forget, buying a used car is better for the environment than buying new car (even an EV). A fully functional old car just being tossed in the scrap yard years before its time is a massive waste of resources! Remmeber the three R's! Reduce Re-use Recycle! Reducing our "consumption" of cars is the most important factor!
can someone pin this comment? cmon people, like this comment into the stratosphere!
I was surprised that a money focused channel is promoting new/lease, when there are tons of cheap used EVs out there. They depreciate heavily because of misconceptions. Mine I just got in great condition for only $4,800 after the used EV tax incentive. It doesn’t have great range, but 99% of my trips are under 40 miles (more like 5).
@@jameschalkwig787your hybrid is going to cost double the maintenance 😂
@@Globalscanningeyes not my experience as a longtime owner of a Prius 150k miles and counting . Even Scotty Kilmer ageees since it’s a Toyota.
@@autecheee provide facts and figures not opinions
I work at home and drive a 4 cylinder Toyota. I only go out a few days a week and it’s a small city. One tank of gas lasts me almost a month.
I’ve also been to other countries with waaaaay better public transportation, and it’s a whole other world.
That alone would make a huge difference and we could leave lithium deposits in the earth!
It's funny how city drivers are marketed as the ones who will benefit most from an EV, but because we drive so little, I think the opposite it true.
I either drive very short (10km or less) commutes or very long (600km) trips, so an EV is terrible for me.
Plus in Canada I like the heat from an ICE car. I still can't believe Tesla's solution to battery drain in the winter was to use the heated seats as opposed to the heater. I need both!
I think a fuel efficient used car may be the most environmentally-friendly way, relatively. No new manufacturing tolls on the environment while burning relatively less fuel.
Funny, I hear people in other countries complain their public transportation stinks. You're going to have to realize that cars are here to stay forever.
EVs are great for people who rarely use cars and don't really need a car. How lovely
Same spent about $30 on gas a month. Ev is worthless to me.
EVs are not designed to save the environment. EVs are designed to save the auto industry. Designing our cities for people instead of cars is a better long-term solution.
Yes they are designed to save the environment. The math has been done on this and they absolutely produce less CO2 and less harm to the environment
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite
Public transport and bikes is way better for the environment than giving everyone a car. That's why Elon Musk keeps trying to ruin public transport.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698 that's the whole argument designed for cars instead of humans though, but it is a bit broader: many US cities have been designed for people with cars to drive through them. The argument says that cities should not be designed for through-travel in the first place, but for living instead. Making the area walkable and nicely looking are among the things that can be done to achieve this. This is just one aspect of the whole argument though and there are many nuances and stuff. My point is mostly that the idea behind the original comment does not limit itself to just how people can travel (safely and conveniently of course), and that as long as city design focusses itself primarily on travel (specifically by car, but also other means) and neglecting other aspects that a city should keep in mind, it is not designed for people.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698 They are not designed for people. Read up on some of the modern human centric city concepts. They have stores and things humans need within a two block radius. So a human never has to drive 15 minutes to get to the grocery store.
@@Ok_Mountain_8698There's also a problem that cities are too expensive for people to live in, so people need to drive from a rural or suburban neighborhood to the city for work. It seems like preventing access to personal vehicles in some big cities will either force people who cannot afford to live in the city move in, or force people to work outside the city and accept a lower paycheck in their local community. If there is public transportation from rural/suburban areas to the city, that would work. But then how would logistics for that work? Will there be a train station with a massive parking lot moving people back and forth to and from the city?
Are we not going to talk about the issue of repair-ability? Meaning that the manufacturer has more control with parts and software blocks that prevent a user from repairing their own vehicle?
The opposite
@@oscarmurga3499reparability, or rather, unrepairability of EVs is what drives the number of totaled cars and higher premiums. The issue is 3-fold: there are no parts (ask Hertz how easy it was maintaining 100k Teslas -- and that's Hertz, not Evgeni-from-middle-od-nowhere). Next is "guys" -- EVs high-voltage rails require a lot of education and specialized equipment. There are not enough mechanics for regular cars, forget EVs . Try dropping the battery pack to get to something -- it's flat, it's heavy, it's easy to structurally compromise. Third, standards. There are none. Teslas don't even have an OBD2 port -- they have their own connector and software. So does everybody else. Together, this means very few EVs get repaired, only those with tiny scratches. Anything more serious -- total.
@@EvgeniBelin This is why more regulation is needed for vehicles in general, including right to repair laws.
You have the same issue in modern gasoline powered cars too, they're mostly running on electronics. You can't fix a single issue without a laptop and matching software to talk to the car.
There's an episode about this in the current season of The Neighborhood. Marty leaves JPL and teams up w/ his dad to make a repair shop for EVs.
Every time I decide to watch one of these informative episodes, it seems either or both of them has a new tat lol
Really weird obsession nowadays. Plus a huge waste of money. "How tattoos keep you poor" - how about a vid on that?
@@mariusa.5863 I noticed that a lot of new parents tend to buy an EV. It's like having a baby makes people suddenly more environmentally conscientious.
Millennials are so weird. Can't afford a house, but tatoo's, take out, and expensive cars are fine.
@@michaelp4122This just in tattoos are cheaper than houses. 🙄
@@mariusa.5863tattoos, like a lot of things, are fine to get as long as it’s within your budget. After all, what’s the use of saving money if you can’t buy something nice for yourself every now and again?
@@jazcaddell2443Good tatoo's still costs hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Plus you have to touch them up every few years.
Point is, if you justify blowing money on tatoo's and take out, then don't complain about being poor.
Same with subscription services, millennials often get expensive phones, with expensive plans, plus every subscription you can imagine.
Thanks for sharing a nice updated comparison between gas/EVs. Also, to make this discussion more spicy, if we really want to reduce our CO2 emissions we really must consider less car-dependant cities.
There is no such animal.
@@bigverybadtom there is. I live in a 3rd world country and my city is less car oriented than American ones. I can go to get groceries, to the drugstore and lots of services by feet. Super close.
@@embatbr You can do that in many American small towns too.
Nah, this is America. We’re driving to the nearest McDonald’s.
If you really want to talk about emissions and pollution, you should talk about Lithium Extraction and Disposal of Lithium Ion Batteries. Both are extremely awful for the environment. Nobody knows how to safely dispose of the batteries, perhaps garbage islands in China?
I felt this wasn't a comparison but rather "reasons to buy EV". There was not even a con again electric vehicles... That's not a comparison
The TLDW is - if you:
1. Have a place to charge
2. Have a second, ICE vehicle for long trips
3. Don't need to tow or haul
Then yes, get an EV
Or just rent a car for your occasional long trip unless you make them frequently
No. They eventually make you pay motor fuel tax on home charge (either via extra elictricity tax or ridden distance tax), and you would pay equal with ICE cars (acually more, because of increased insurance, tyres, lost time etc.)
That opener was awesome 😂
And yet the most sold EV's in the US...eBikes and eScooters...must pay a tariff while automobiles EV's get subsidized? Car EV's are just like gas powered vehicles except they pollute a tiny bit less. Traffic jams and parking still looks exactly the same. Make no mistake; the car EV is to save the car industry and not the environment. If the US was actually serious about pollution, safety, and economics, then public transportation, biking, and walking would be given priority over car EV's that are functionally the same as ICE cars.
If we cared about the environment, we’d use Nuclear Power and stop burning Coal. We don’t care about the environment
I'm not taking an eBike or eScooter to my job 30 miles away.
@@HH-le1vi Then buying a car, regardless of its price, is worth every penny.
@@langhamp8912 Not like everyone has that kinda money just sitting around..
Ebikes and escooters come from China and get hit with tariffs.
Owned an EV for around 6 years now and have exclusively charged on a normal wall outlet whenever not on a road trip. I get 60-70 miles overnight which is more than the average person drives. And with a conversion to the same adapter, road trips are getting even better!
I own an EV (model 3) with close to 100k miles. It is great, both from a cost, longevity, and environmental perspective. EVs get a 100 MPGe equivalent. I don’t know of any gas car that comes close to that. They also last longer and have less maintenance than gas cars. A Tesla battery will easily go 200,000 miles and still have 80% battery capacity. I don’t know many ICE cars on the road after 200k miles. Finally, it’s cheap to drive because of the high efficiency MPGe. I don’t have a 240v charger at home, but the 120V charge works for almost all days because I am not driving more than 1 hour a day.
I will say EVs are not great for road trips, which is why we still have our ICE SUV.
Thank you for a good user-pov summary with logic behind it. The general public don't see this bit more often.
A good brand combustion engine will work at least a million km. You can't beat that. Once EV battery is dead, the car is toast, also because the newer EV model is so far ahead, not worth the repair the broken one and no one will buy it. Dead battery is a big burden for the environment and it also has a big foot print until manufactured. I don't have the tools to calculate but an EV is possibly less environmentally friendly than an ICE in the long run, especially if used less than 8 years according to a research.
@@henrymakepeace I think you’re not taking into account that EV batteries can be swapped out in the same vehicle, and EV batteries can be recycled as well after they are “toast.” Replacing a battery module in a Tesla is something like $10,000. I would gladly pay $10,000 to have a basically brand new Tesla. This increases the overall longevity of the vehicle itself.
@@henrymakepeaceisn't that 600k miles. I haven seen too many gasoline car's go over 200k. I bought a used EV with 60k miles and it now has 100k. It cost me $8,000 the maintenance has been less than $100 it has 88 percent of it's battery life left and the replacement/ upgraded battery would cost me $6-8k so it works for me.
@@josephivan5094 The reason you don't see many cars with over 200k miles or even 200k KMS is that people think cars will break down and they're convinced that they're missing new features. Almost any ice car produced today can go beyond 1m km easy. Not sure what the limit for an ev battery is but EVs cannot become popular without full charge in 10 mins in well-spread station network. I can buy one the moment this is done and working provided an average EV car is sold at a reasonable price.
I wish this video had the Let's Run The Numbers section, factoring in fuel prices, insurance and maintenance over time. I also wish they mentioned the used EV tax subsidy as well as comparisons with PHEVs. I have a hunch that if you're gonna keep a car for around 5 years, getting a used gas car is still cheaper overall.
Except for it's not. Gas cars have far more maintenance and you're constantly paying more to run the vehicle. If you get a cheap EV you are absolutely paying less.
We just took our Evie from Southern California to Dallas Texas so that we could see the eclipse this trip would have cost us over $800 just for the drive alone. It cost us less than $300 with the EV.
A used hybrid is probably the cheapest overall cost of owenship. Depending on the use case, a 10 year old PHEV or EV could be dirt cheap over 5 years.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Wrong. My ten year old has Civic has required exactly zero repairs except new tires and brake pads. Edit for completeness: Also some wiring related to the doors, aircon charge, and CV boots, which an EV would also have. NOTHING on the engine. Zip. Nada.
@@penultimateh766 lol bs. You don't do any oil changes? Expect a lot of repairs really soon.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Ooooh oil changes. Big burden. Every 10k in modern cars takes 10 minutes.
Of course, a major issue with electric vehicles is one that relates to renewable energy in general: Electrical storage of irregular renewable energy sources, like wind and solar. Fortunately, sodium-ion batteries offer a promising solution, because even though they have a lower energy density than lithium-ion batteries, this is less of a problem with stationary applications (ex. solar-powered charging stations), and they have the advantage of being safer and made with far more abundant elements. The main barrier at present is a lack of commercial production capacity, but if LED lights and solar panels are anything to go off of, the price will drop quickly once the manufacturing infrastructure is established.
Just bought my first EV, Tesla Model Y - which was the most sold car in the USA in 2023. (excluding pickups) I paid little over $40k after 7500 ev credit. Insurance was on-par with my other vehicles (I also have F150 and Jeep Wrangler).
EV's make sense - a LOT of sense - if (1) it's your daily driver/2nd car, and (2) you live in a home with 240v charger. Don't bash on EVs before you actually experience one. I used to say "ev's are not environmentally friendly" and "I love my Small block V8"... but after owning an EV... it is REALLY FREAKING GOOD.
We had an ev before having a house and before having a house with a 240v charger. It worked because where we were in California both my husband and I could charge at work and there were plenty of superchargers nearby. So there are many situations in which an EV makes sense. BTW, charging was free or very cheap at work for us ;)
Welcome to the EV world, it’s truly amazing. I don’t miss gas stations at all. And let’s not talk about not having to go to service for a ice vehicle. My tire rotations are done right in the driveway by Tesla. I always give the guy a bottle of water and $20 for lunch. Saves me tons of time.
Best car experience ever while saving hundreds of dollars not buying gas
You’re the perfect ev customer. Plus you still have gas cars.
No chance, used to change my car every 3 years but now own a straight 6 Bmw X3 for 9 years. It has only had 1 minor fault and other than a service/tyres I have had no payments for 5 years + years to come. It does 0-60 in under 6 seconds which is quick enough for me and still in excellent condition with 62000 miles. Living the dream 🍻
Change a car every 3 years?? What..is that a cellphone 😂😂😂😂even cellphones don't need to be changed every 3 years. Good for you
You're a terrible person for the environment.
Wish my wife's X3 was that good, its had burnt out tail light, head light issues. Battery, tire replacements are expensive. But it was better than my Audi... but driving a model 3 for the past 3 years. Haven't had to set foot into a shop except for tire rotations. Most of the "maintenance" can be done by yourself with a 5 minute UA-cam watch.
Heck, I even take my Model 3 on small road trips (100 miles out and back). I really like the car but we keep the X3 for the longer road trips.
Wow the sewer reptile part was hilarious! Nice job pouring thought and energy into these videos, they are really in their prime.
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The video is cool. The content not much. Also this is not a comparison but more of a "reasons to buy an EV"
Last year it was time to replace my toyota with 200k miles. Ended up with buying a model 3. Got the $7,500 rebate and state rebate. I will break even on cost with the increase in excise tax, insurance (for a brand new vehicle vs a 15 year old one) and a phase 2 charger at the house this year. Every year after I'll start saving money. So far zero maintenance, haven't stopped at gas station once and it's a lot to fun to drive!
Similar for me. Replaced my 11yr old Fiat with a Model 3 rwd. I saved over $3k just in fuel last year. Best car I have ever owned and cheapest to own. I charge for free at home while I sleep.
I love that this show explains things to me like I’m an adult child, and I mean that in the kindest way possible! Big fan
The truth is buying electric car is not about saving the environment. It's about saving the total cost of ownership compared to ice car.
I doubt that that will be the case with the introduction of features-as-a-service business model for cars.
With monthly subscriptions for heated seats, internet, etc. the bills m easily surpass the oil change and regular ICE maintenance costs. Insurance premiums are higher for EVs due to higher repair costs.
Love the EVs and have had 2 hydrogen cars in California, but currently the savings of gas don’t make up for the increased costs.
@@Kilaueaorph4n Sadly, new ICE cars also implement the features-as-a-service model
@@Kilaueaorph4n - Nothing you said is unique to EVs.
@@smileychess good point, but EV’s are coming to the market in a time where OEMS are rolling out features as a service full steam. Any “gas savings” will be obliterated by a continuous subscription model that will bleed out the pockets of users.
Also, repair costs are notably higher nowadays. Doesn’t mean that it could change in the future, though.
yes and no. not about global warming or climate change but it is about pollution or cleaner air.
4:55 You shouldn't call it an extension cord. It's just a cord. If there's one thing you don't want on an *extension* cord, it's an EV!
I'll happily take living in cities with less smog, tyvm. A central power plant belching it out sounds much easier to control and monitor than millions of cars.
To the environment that all that the CO2 is being belched out into, it doesn't make any difference as far as downflow effects.
You're basically saying that pollution is fine as long as it isn't in your back yard. That's about as a 'selfish American' stereotype as you can get.
I disagree. Cleaning emissions from a central pollutor is easier than trying to deal with the emissions from millions of individual vehicles. Especially with all the lies we've been sold by manufacturers. And with solar tech now cheaper than coal the days of power from power plants belching pollution are drawing to a close.
@@scarpfish
What he means is, that big power plants are more efficient and easier to control.
For example, if you would like to have a new filter installed, you only need a handful of power operators to put it in their plants, as opposed to millions of car owners.
The same goes for replacing the fossil fuel plants with clean electricity sources.
@artuselias you also have efficiency of scale. Massive power plants are much more efficient at converting available energy into usable energy than thousands of tiny power plants.
@@scarpfishThat would be nice, if it weren’t already proven by examining asthma diagnoses in high-EV density locales, that lowering tailpipe emissions makes the single biggest difference to human health since the advent of genetic modification of food crops.
This is fact. Not fiction.
I find most discussions around the affordability of EVs to be pretty useless to consumers such as myself. I only buy used vehicles because I don't want to endure the brunt of the vehicles' depreciation. Are 10 year old used EVs or hybrids affordable and reliable? How much will it cost to replace an aging EV/hybrid battery? Seems like the elephant in the room that no EV proponent wants to touch.
Here's the thing...EV batteries have a warranty of 8 or 10 years and 100k miles. Not a ton of EVs have reached beyond the warranty period yet, so not a ton of people have paid out of pocket for a battery replacement. That said, batteries should be fairly reliable and long lasting. People think that because a battery is rated at 500 (hypothetical number) cycles, that means they just die after that, but it's really only at that point that they are down to 80% of their original capacity. They can still be useful for long after that, and plenty of batteries will last longer than the the vehicle itself. In fact, as more and more EVs are on the road and age and get into accidents and parts are salvaged, the price of replacement batteries will fall. Currently a used replacement pack can be found in the $6k range (Tesla Model 3 batteries and Chevy Bolt batteries), which is not that far off from an equivalently aged ICE vehicle engine replacement cost. A battery swap is also significantly easier than an engine swap.
There are a ton of low cost used EVs in the market. They’re especially cheap because people think their batteries only last 3 years. Just do a few hours of deep dive UA-cam research and you’ll find one that works for your needs and you’ll know how to evaluate a car for its battery degradation.
Beyond that, there’s very little maintenance involved, at least compared to a regular car.
But if you can’t charge at home, or regularly drive long distances, then don’t bother.
I have a nearly 10 year old EV, the capacity/range is still more than 80% of what it originally was. Milage is about 60k. Time, temperature, and amount of fast charging vs. overnight charging has more impact on battery life than miles driven, different from a gas car.
As long as you can charge at home, with even just a standard 110 volt outlet you can get about 50 miles of range in 8 hours (depending on car model). Do you typically drive less than 50 miles a day? Just plug in at night and have full range every single day, no extra time at gas stations or electric charging stations.
Most of the older EVs that aren’t crazy priced Teslas were “compliance cars” for CA, OR, WA and MA law, so they have 80 miles range when new. These aren’t good for road-trips. For commuting, getting groceries, etc? Great. They actually get higher range in traffic jams than going 65+ in clear traffic, and higher range on city streets than freeways - opposite of a gas car.
@@jeremiahkuehne2400 theres the batteries then theres the motors.
Used Chevy Bolts are decently cheap. With the federal rebate alone ($4k) you could get a used Bolt for ~10k (obviously depending on the local market, we got one for $14k)
I'd personally go after the 2017-2019 years as they had a battery recall so most of the ones you can buy basically have a brand new battery.
Range is over 200 miles. Only downside is they are pretty slow at fast charging, so I wouldn't recommend one for long trips.
Got a Tesla Model Y for under 40k thanks to the IRA, charge at home for only a couple bucks for a full charge and can go over 300 miles per charge. Also took a road trip to Canada and it was incredibly easy and cheap thanks to supercharging network. Saved tons of money over the past few years and the driving experience has been amazing, highly recommend.
I live in Canada and have a hard time believing your post. You must have only stayed in the large cities. The majority of the country is completely inaccessible to EVs. Don't get me started on the roads. You must have travelled to Canada in the summer or warm weather because our cold weather drains the batteries quickly.
bull 🤣
@@a.jlondon9039
While there are some charging deserts in Canada (it's a big country), there's lots of chargers in much of the country.
The only problems I've heard of are in Northwestern Ontario, and the North of the country generally.
Even without a perfect charging network people have managed to drive their EVs across the country.
So no, the majority of the country isn't inaccessible to EVs, only certain parts of the country, and the charging network is growing pretty much daily.
So it's only a matter of time before you can go anywhere in the country.
310 miles is the EPA range for the Model Y long range under the most ideal conditions. In actual practice it's more like 260 miles and even less if you don't charge it past 80% and discharge it under 20% which is critical if you don't want to speed up battery degradation. Even worse in the winter.
So it's hard to believe that you are getting 300 miles range.
@a.jlondon9039 even if yall did have a bad charging network u can charge at home. If u take a trip as long as ur car can make it to the next charger ur fine.
I have a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Bought it new September 2022. Had it for about a year and a half, and I regret nothing. I will say this, though: I've never been the type to recommend anything to others. If they hate evs, good for them. If they love them, good for them. I bought the car bc I like it. What others do with their wallet is none of my business, and honestly, I dont care🤷♂️
I’m disappointed that y’all didn’t mention the environmental impact of mining the precious materials for the battery. I’m all for EVs but there needs to be more regulation on mining these materials so we’re not hurting the environment in a new way
ETA: I’ve gotten a few replies so I want to clarify, I am very supportive of the EV industry. Fossil fuel has created a climate change crisis. It needs to be replaced to have any chance at a future.
With that said, we can be critical of things we support. Part of the problem with fossil fuel is that it was all of the hype when it first came on the scene. It wasn’t regulated enough/effectively and now we’re all paying the price. If we don’t put strong regulations on the dirty parts of building EVs, then we leave the door open for future crisis.
I agree that we need good/better regulations around mining, but the impact of mining precious metals is dwarfed by the impact of drilling, transporting, and processing oil. They would need to also talk about that too and this was only a ten minute video.
Did you care about the environmental impact typing that comment on your battery powered phone? How about the 3 decades of owning battery powered phones, speakers, laptops, power tools, etc? Yes it's an issue but it has always been an issue. Are you specifically concerned about mining cobalt? Does mining/drilling for oil concern you in the same degree? How about waging wars for oil?
@@Magmar947 I think we're mostly in agreement, though my understanding is that oil is actually worse for the environment than metal mining even in countries without regulation.
As far as batteries being retired. I'm the US we are currently recycling about 5% of the batteries, some are being reused, and the rest are being stored for later recycling. They are not dumped in landfills for two reasons, it would be illegal, but more importantly, the metals are precious, e.g. valuable so EV battery recyclers will purchase your dead EV battery even if they need to store it while they ramp up recycling. For example, search for Redwood sell EV battery. This is a relatively new development. Last time I checked they were only taking EV batteries from dealers in California, but now they will purchase any EV battery.
@@Magmar947yep, cause that stuff doesn’t happen with the petroleum industry. I’m pretty sure the material mined for batteries, which have a path for recycling, is dwarfed by the millions of barrels a day that we move of oil. There is no comparison between the impact of mineral mining for batteries and the oil industry! Oil is a vast one way street to pollution, batteries have a life span and can be recycled once it is economically viable. Oil can only become pollution.
With ranges approaching 300 miles, most people in rural areas, like myself, charge at home. The "public infrastructure" is really most necessary for long trips, and interstates are well supplied, at least if you are driving a Tesla.
As long as you can charge at home (and maybe at work) range is a non-issue unless you're a hardcore roadtripper to whom a 1000 mile trip is an easy day driving.
Tesla is pushing out adapters for other evs to charge at their charging stations! I believe some are already out on the coasts, more to come next year.
@@rachelle2227 That's true, and there are plenty of chargers in the Midwest that are open to people with adapters. It isn't just the Tesla chargers, it's the smoothness of the whole experience with a Tesla.... And the cars' ability to update over the years as things change.
@@martalliyes because its so comforting for Lord Elon to add and remove features as he desires.
@@mindfreeze0838 No one is saying you have to buy a Tesla. But they are excellent electric cars. VW has a checkered last. Henry Ford certainly wouldn't meet today's standards for a decent person.... But people still bought their cars then, and now. But Tesla has a leg up/are a generation ahead on all the EV competition you will find in there US. Chinese cars, like Volvo and Polestar, are generally the only ones who really compete with Tesla.
I wish they would have mentioned that EV repairability and insurance cost are almost always higher. Any damage near a battery even if it doesn’t damage it requires its removal. Also in the case of Tesla, you could be waiting months or since they rarely have independent shops, cost is outrageous out of warranty
Yeah but Tesla's not the only vehicle. That's just a reason why you don't buy a Tesla. I can take my bolt to the Chevy dealer and it's not a problem and any shop can do the body work.
Most dealers aren't going to touch the battery. However, nearly all incidents that damage the car enough to impact the battery would end up in a write-off of the vehicle anyway, even for a gas car
All great points. People need to do their homework. Figure out how and where you are going to use the EV. Also charging at home with a 240V 50amp circuit is the only way to really go. Check local insurance rates for the EV as well. You do not need any surprises. AND also be aware some states are increasing their "license" fees on EV's because they are NOT getting "their" gasoline tax money for the roads or other use. And be aware of your local charging station situation in your city, or state for those potential long trips (200+ miles).
It is a propaganda video with half truths and lies.
How was total cost of ownership not mentioned?
Far lower for EVs now that prices came down & with credits. Even with more frequnt tires & higher insurance costs (for now), the maintenance costs are way lower without oil changes and other engine problems. The fuel savings are only part of this calc and the difference is widening.
(Also this is wrong about not being able to get the tax credit for a Tesla Model 3 - some versions still qualify)
New Model 3s do not qualify anymore in the US
@@doomtomb3 ....but all the model Y's do.
We’ve had an ev for about 2.5 years and we love it! We have a Kia Nero ev. It’s so nice to never have to go to the gas station. We have a level 2 charger at home. We did a few times have scares with a low battery, but that was poor planning on our part, and it was in the cold.
The battery does really go down fast when it’s less than like 10 Fahrenheit. And it’s difficult to find level 3 chargers. If there were more fast chargers, this wouldn’t really be an issue. We plan for this now by plugging the car in to charge when it gets below 50% in the winter, and charge to 100% in the winter if we’re going to drive more than an hour. I’d like the ability to have more custom alerts in the car to remind you to charge or to tell you how much less efficient the battery is expected to be at the current temperature.
We only go on drives longer than an hour and a half like once a year, so the issue of charging out of the house is small for us, and of course for now you do have to plan where you’re going to charge. It’s annoying how so many charging stations are confusing, and need you to download a new app to use it, and sometimes there’s only one or two chargers in a location.
I just bought an EV (my first car!) and I love it! Its perfect for me who basically just needs a commuter car. It would not be an ideal road tripping car but thats fine because my family has an ICE car too.
As for changing technology I think that by the time my cars battery needs replaced we will have so many more options for replacement or upgrade and it won’t be as bad as it is now!😊
Suggestions for curious ones, Ioniq electrics 2016 - 2019 in the market have next to none battery degradations.
Oh common! Everybody knows lithium batteries are done in 10 years or so.
5 years and they are half. So your resale fall like ton of bricks.
@@ssa6227 that is why ioniq electric 1st gen is so exceptional, You wont see one more than 5% degredation. Your argument it still true, exceptions don't make it less true.
They just limit the battery to stop charging at 85% and wont turn on at 15%
As soon as one lithium cell is worn out, it acts like a load to the other cells, Evs are about control
@@ssa6227
My Nissan Leaf with no battery heating or cooling still has most of its bars, and it's now 8 years old.
So degradation varies from vehicle to vehicle, driver to driver.
Just a note. KY, in all their wisdom, decided EV's & Hybrids need a separate tax since they do not use enough gas. So my hybrid cost an additional $60 when doing registrations, and EV's I believe is $120.
That's the road tax. The folks who do all that road repair work get their pay from a tax imposed on all vehicles that drive on those roads. Most convenient way to collect that tax was by adding it to gas prices, but since EV drivers don't buy gas, the state has to collect that tax another way-- the registration fee.
@@BogeyTheBear I do understand that, but the issue I have is that it does not equate. The gas tax meant for the roads changes depending on how much the individual drives. Drive more means more gas. More gas means more total tax for the road. So in a way, the more you use the road, the more you pay.
This makes everyone who has an ev or hybrid pay the same, no matter how much they use, and it does not scale. It is singling out those cars. The EV cannot drive less to reduce that tax like a gas car can. An even playing field would be something more like taxing based off of weight. The heavier vehicle, which would cause more ware, would be taxed more.
You do know that EV's are heavier and do more damage to the road right?
@@mindfreeze0838 An EV sedan is no heavier than a light-duty pickup. The greater damage an EV inflicts is upon itself, in terms of tire and brake wear.
@BogeyTheBear thats the sedan form factor that people dont really buy, so can you imagine the damage caused by the cars people actually want to buy like the morbidly obese electric Hummer and the Kia EV9. Btw full size pickups arent doing the asphalt any favors.
I love my Chevy Bolt owned since 2017. I installed a hitch and has carried bikes, skis, kayaks and gone to lots of places
GM replaced the battery under a recall and I had state and federal tax credit AND bargained 5000 off MSRP when nobody wanted one.
It was so cool back then when I could find free chargers everywhere, but now with the rising popularity, that's rare these days.
99% of the commenters here have never even been in an EV. And I'm not against gas cars since I still own two, but I bet everyone who gets an EV, it will become his or her primary family or commuter car eventually because it's just so easy. No need to warm it up before flooring it in the morning, just press a button and go; one pedal driving makes it effortless to drive; the acceleration makes everyone else seems like standing still; leaving the AC or heater on while the kids nap or parked in the garage (I call it my only room in the house with AC); no messy oil changes as I do my own. My wife has literally forgotten how to get gas at the gas station.
Love the channel... a couple notes though:
At the 5:00 mark you say that installing a new outlet will cost 1 to 2k. That is not true. The cost to install a new outlet or charger is mainly going to be based on how far away your electrical panel is from where you want your equipment installed. For example mine was installed by an electrician for $250 as my panel is near my garage.
At the 5:40 mark you say people may be 100s of miles away from the nearest outlet. That depends on where you live. Here in California (Tesla only, not even including all the other options) I'm surrounded by super chargers. Drove my Tesla Model Y from soCal to Vegas no problem.
At the 5:49 mark you say there are several different types of batteries. This is true but irrelevant. If the plug fits it will charge.
Electrify America puts in chargers at least 100miles apart. They have done a very good job ensuring that people have enough range in between each charger. We took our bolt euv with the trailer from Southern California to outside of Dallas texas. Even towing a trailer we made it. The only place is that don't have chargers are the smaller cities and the smaller cities don't exactly have a ton of apartment complexes so in all of those smaller cities the vast majority of people living there are going to be able to charge at their own home which is far cheaper and easier to do. A lot of people are going to be able to charge their cars from their home and never have to use a charging station. If apartment complexes would also start installing chargers then again we are removing the problem. Most people don't charge enough to put that much of a drain on the electrical grid either
Yeah there's only three types of chargers and eventually there's only going to be one type of charger. The battery has absolutely nothing to do with it it's only the charging port.
I rented an EV for a ski trip 2 hours outside the city. It was cheaper than a normal car because I didn’t have to pay for gas. The only downside was waiting 45 minutes with nothing to do while it recharged.
I'm also concerned with second hand prices, the ability to fix these vehicles as I do like to own my cars until they're not economically fixable, I also like to be able to diagnose and work on them myself after the warranty expires. Would I be able to buy a battery for a model 3 in 20 yrs or will it be just junk?
No one is answering these questions and as much as I like cars I believe that evs should not only have standardized charging but standardized batteries so that they're not complet junk after a manufacturer decides to not support a certain model.
Probably new battery will be worth more than this car.
I believe hybrid cars is the future, so even if Battery capacity goes down to 60-80%, it can have decent reach.
It depends on what part of the car you're concerned about. If it's just the battery, then it will always be easy and cheap to replace batteries. Unlike an ICE engine, the underlying battery is always standardized; it's the connection between car and battery (BMS or Battery Management System) that is purposefully proprietary but that is easily and legally bypassed. A battery and its BMS is stupid simple to assemble and install in a car/bike/motorcycle/golf cart/drone. I'd bet even anti-ev you could learn how to do so with a few YT videos.
If you're talking about everything else (struts, frame, engine and engine mounts, body panels, delicate electronics, windows, seats, safety devices, etc...) then no, those are both difficult to fix and expensive to buy. And yet, that's for cars in general. Cars have historically always been extremely complex and fragile; that's not a drawback but a desired design by both consumers and manufacturers.
@@langhamp8912 Vintage cars (15yr+) also have problems with no parts. Battery is battery. As long as there are millions of Models 3 out there, you can always find a used battery.
Our phones work the same way and are we complaining? Used phones works just as good. Just need a fresh battery.
@@hansenluuit's absolutely ridiculous that everyone forgets that an EV is basically just a glorified cell phone
@langhamp8912 remains to be seen, I have absolutely nowhere in my area to buy or rebuild a battery for my renault Zoe and the dealer quoted me more than the car is worth making it uneconomical. That's just now, what would be of this car in 20 yrs? Considering that this cars don't release any emissions while driven shouldn't be possible to make them last longer?
Also what happens to certain manufacturers who decide to make the battery casing an essential structural part of the vehicle? I feel like we're using good technology in a shitty way over and over
i’m surprised they didn’t mention plug-in hybrids, which seem like the best of both worlds imo
A couple of things:
Its more environmentally friendly to keep your current car on the road as long as possible.
ICE cars are actually more efficient then EV's on the highway, but EVs are more efficient than ICE cars for the urban run.
With that said in contrast to your statement about there being no best time being the right time, I really do feel with so much investment in EV's you will see in the next 10-15 years great leaps in the efficiencies of EVs, until then I really think people should consider hybrids if they absolutely need a new car.
False, there is still a lot more energy consumed on the highway in an ICE than EV, and it certainly cost more to refuel an ICE vehicle.
Drove a EV for the first time after my gas car of 10yrs gave out. It was amazing. Getting used to charging but it’s free for the next 2yrs. 18mins gets me 3 days of driving. My state charges an additional registration fee of $220 for BEVs (battery electric vehicles) annually. Something no one talks about
This episode didnt mention resale prices !
You don’t see it but you are saying EVs are cheap to buy
@@aaronlandry3934 It's not about the years but the miles or charging cycles. Tesla data shows a 12% loss of capacity after 200,000 miles.
@@aaronlandry3934my 3 year old EV has lost 7%.its not 5% annually, not even close.
How hypocrite of you? When you mentioned 5% annually, did you add model, mileage etc?
@aaronlandry3934 nope, you said that it would lose 5% every year regardless of mileage, model, etc. You're just moving the goalposts, now.
The reality is that it can vary. If someone abuses their battery, like routinely uses DC charging, drains it dead, charges to 100%, etc, then they'll shorten its life considerably. But you could apply the same logic to someone foregoing proper maintenance on an ICE vehicle, like skipping oil changes, running out of gas, not cleaning their fuel system, etc.
I was recently in the market for a new car. I really wanted to purchase an EV, but the cost, coupled with the uncertainty of potential battery obsolescence in the next few years, pushed me back towards the ICE options. As it stands, I have 2 ICE vehicles. A 02 Hyundai Accent for daily driving, and a 23 Toyota Tacoma for longer drives/hauling stuff. Hopefully in the next 5 to 10 years BEV tech continues maturing, because I'd sure love to have one!
Thank you guys for being a reasonable voice in the room. I constantly see commenters raising macroeconomic or sociological factors, and completely ignore the very real personal finance and environmental angle that EV’s are better for your budget and way better for the environment after a year or two.
You pay about 25% of what you would pay for gas to fill up the car if you charge at home - maybe 35% if you charge at charging stations.
The cost of most regular maintenance goes to zero. No more oil changes or engine filters. Even brakes need service less often (if at all) because you’re using regenerative braking more often. You only have to worry about tires, cabin air, and wipers.
The number of mechanical things that can break also goes way down - no more fuel system, intake, combustion engine, exhaust, transmission, driveline, differential, muffler, gas tank, fuel lines, etc. This means way fewer things to break in the long term - something that is showing in the data now. Most people are not changing their batteries at all, even after nearly a decade of use.
If you bought a Model 3 in 2017 when it first came out, and put the standard 12K miles on it a year, charging at home, you would have saved close to $7K on fuel alone compared to the average car, and probably another $1K in oil changes alone. Any random breakdown on top - inevitable in seven years of ownership - would have been costs on top.
That much money saved should be worth everyone digging in to figure out whether EV ownership is right for them - not just accepting vague generalities about the class of vehicle.
They're obviously biased towards evs.
Im an EV owner (Chevy Bolt) but i also know that buying an EV is only better for the environment if you were going to buy a new card regardless. Also you have to keep and drive the car for a certain amount of years to offset the initial carbot footprint compared to a gas car.
We have an ev, and we also got solar panels at a similar time (we needed a new roof, so the timing worked out). Eventually the solar panels will pay themselves off, and obviously this offsets the carbon footprint of the ev. Not everyone wants to fund solar panels, but it’s certainly a decision we’re happy with.
Or even better - no car at all! The best financial decision I've ever made. I'd love to see a Two Cents episode on Living Car-Free!
not in america 😂😂
There are a few other things to consider that are kept conveniently hidden or twisted. So let's run the numbers! ...and facts:
1 - Electricity consumption and impact of the petrol industry.
- One pumpjack consume 9800 MWh/month of electricity.
- Oil Refineries consume 15-20% of annual electricity consumption for the whole continent (just in the US).
- Offshore platforms burn 20-30 tons of diesel per day for their generators. The US alone has 610 active offshore platforms.
- Thousands of kilometers of pipelines. Each section with a pump consuming 50-250 kW and working 24/7.
- Tankers, each of them burning 200-250 tons of fuel oil per day. 2,210 are currently active tankers.
- Land transport with semi trucks - ~ 40 liters of diesel / 100 km.
- Gas stations with all their pumps and energy consumption.
... and we haven't touched on shale gas and coal mining yet. ... nor have we paid attention to oil spills, vented gas, pollution of rivers and groundwater, deforestation and wars for resources.
2 - Efficiency and pollution.
- An average ICE vehicle is responsible for 260-350 g.CO2/km + NOx, SOx, CO and other harmful fine particulates right in the cities where we live.
- ICE efficiency to the wheels - 18-25% (older vehicle even less)
- While an EV is responsible for 32-48 g.CO2/km (at the current heavy coal energy mix)... Keep in mind that there are NO emissions during it's operation. NO exhaust gasses where people live
- EV efficiency 80-90%
3 - Manufacturing.
- Manufacturing of an ICE vehicle releases 5200 to 6900 kg.СО2, while an EV (+battery) releases around 5600 to 8800 kg.СО2.
Emissions are equalized after less than 10,000 km. After 250,000 km the difference in emissions is at least 10 times more for the ICE (with the current grid emissions heavy with coal and gas).
4 - Subsidies and profits.
- The petrol industry generates $10 Billion in profits per DAY and receives $11 Million in subsidies per MINUTE globally.
- They own (or fund) most of the media sources and have wealthy lobbyist in every government.
State and federal subsidies or grants to US automakers:
- General Motors - $60,952,354,503
- Ford Motor - $41,537,511,916
- Toyota - $7,891,352,312 (+ billions more from a deal with the Saudis to sell more gas vehicles)
- Tesla - $796,500,000 for its entire existence. For shared charging netwerk. Mostly loans that are already fully paid off +Multiple loan rejections. From 2016 to 2022 Tesla received $0 /zero/
5 - The popular "planes" debate.
- While a plane indeed burns a ton of fuel, it uses kerosene and burns it relatively efficiently at 10,000 meters above ground.
- At the same time billions of vehicles travel 24/7 right in the cities where we live, breath and sleep. Burning diesel or gasoline with extremely low efficiency, releasing 260-350 g/km of toxic exhaust gasses (SOx, NOx, CO + CO2) and other fine particulates, unburnt fuel, brake dust, tyre particulates and so on.
6 - Controversial Cobalt
- Cobalt is mainly used as a catalyst in oil refineries. But no one complained for nearly a hundred years.
- The next main use case is in LCO batteries in small electronic devices (phones, tablets, laptops, smart watches). 60% cobalt. But no one had a problem changing their phone every year.
- Cobalt is used in very small quantities in EV batteries. 3-9%
- Most newer EV use LFP batteries with 0% cobalt.
7 - Recycling
- Lithium batteries are easily recyclable and 95% of their components extracted and reused again. The only "problem" is that there are currently almost none "dead" EV batteries.
- While the finite fossil fuels are burned... destroyed... gone forever. 90-110 million barrels per day.
8 - Most importantly... and sadly - 7-8 million people die worldwide due to air pollution.
State your sources please if you are making estimated claims
TLDR, fanatic.
@@subbiahpalani Woah there... That's a (summarized) product of a few years of reading and information gathering. It would look like a doctorate's dissertation.
I'm also a mechanical engineer who used to work in the automotive industry.
If you want to fact check, place go ahead. Google is free. I don't have a habit of keeping a list of all the sources... But maybe I should have.
@@penultimateh766 I prefer "Just someone sick of mis and disinformation."
And it's actual a very short read.
@@PenkoAngelov Everyone should read this text, great points. I would like to add that lets say "salvation" is in diversification of transport industry. No one should be forced to drive something he doesnt want or what doesnt suit its needs. There's gonna be E fuel which is great. Porsche is developing it. Methane is great fuel too. Cheap and has big caloric value, can be made green also. Downside is its storage.
We love our ID4. Tows 2700lbs, lots of room inside for kids and gear, AWD was great this winter. Minimal noticable range drop from winter to summer. Sit down, step on brake and put in gear and you're on your way much faster than any ICE vehicle ive driven. We downsized from a 2 vehicle to a 1 vehicle family and are super happy we did.
17,000kms driven for the equivalent of about $500 of electricity (woulda done 5 tanks or about 2500kms in our Subaru). So about 1/6 to 1/7th the fuel cost.
Own your vehicle for long enough and the initial depreciation those first couole years doesnt really matter as much. By year 8-10, no matter gas or ev, you'll have lost about ~75% of the sticker price. A $60k 2024 vehicle is gonna be a $15k vehicle in 2032 no matter what powers it.
Answer: Do whatever you like. Just don’t ask me to pay for it.
really insane yall didnt mention other modes of transportation (biking, walking, public transit) while talking so much about how "green" EVs are. they are still cars and still require massive amounts of roads and infrastructure which is extremely environmentally costly on its own. Cars are literally the WORST mode of transportation for the environment; EV or ICE doesnt change that.
not everywhere has public transit, and rural areas you might have to travel a minimum of 15 miles just to go to the grocery store. also, most people in my area that don't work from home have to travel to an office 15 to 30 miles away
This is a US-based show. It is currently completely unfeasible for a large majority of Americans to go without a car.
Not everywhere having public transit is the point. U think America was just found w tons of roads everywhere? We get what we build for.
I would also point out that the video is about the economic implication of specifically EVs.
Though a video on the pro cons of alt transit would be neat!
I’m a tesla model Y owner since July and have done a few long trips with it. Tesla has the best charging network and the map in the car helps you plot out how much charge you have and where the next charger is in relation. So for me range anxiety is non issue. Glad alot of the manufacturers are switching to tesla standard. The supercharger stations will be a little more crowded but I find there are enough all over and more coming to hopefully handle the extra traffic.
Great video. So far, I have own two EVs and I have been very happy with them. I am not going back to fuel cars. For the first car, I was in an apartment with access to chargers. The cost for charging was $20 per month. If you have a garage, it's a no brainer. Go EV. Install a 240V outlet and your are set. It cost me $500 to install a level two charger in Georgia. There is a special subscription with the electricity company to charge you car at 2ct/kWh at night. Very affordable.
An important aspect is charging infrastructure for road trips. Electrify America is Ok if you are in town but Tesla Superchargers are reliable for long trip. Soon they will be open for non Tesla cars. If you can afford the cost (for ideally used or new), go EV.
I forgot to mention...they are fun to drive!
Most people can get by with the mobile connector for $250. Good for about 60 miles a night of charging
I live in Australia, so the tax incentives are very different. I bought my EV through a novated lease that lets me pay for my car, as well as all the on road costs (registration, insurance, tyres and maintenance) with my pre tax income. Plus I get to charge it for free at work.
I bought a BYD Atto 3, it’s a fantastic car and I’m really happy with it. It costs me $206/week out of pocket for everything as I mentioned above. I was desperate for a new car as my old 2003 Camry was dying. I ran the numbers and a brand new EV was cheaper than a second hand ICE car worth $15,000 or more.
I can afford an EV and would get the full credit, but I am planning on driving my 2012 Camry until it stops working. I never understand people who replace their car so often, like 5-7 years. It's not like they're obsolete like phones. Even phones are lasting > 5 years now if you replace the battery.
The problem with phones is they are proprietary software so they stop getting security updates after only a few years. It's a big scam
@@thedopplereffect00 Usually, you stop getting OS update after about 2-3 years and security updates after 5 years. Apple was the exception but they were also more expensive. Nowadays, Google/Samsung phones have support as long as Apple's. For older Android phones, some can be jailbroken to use LineageOS, but few people would want to deal with that.
The "bottleneck" of obsolescence for phone is probably battery and it's replaceable for < $100. But, if you care more about your wallet than the environment, it's probably better to use that money to partially fund the next phone after 5 years. Five generations of difference even in a mature product like phones is still worth it.
Ironically, for cars, they're putting in so much tech nowadays that they go obsolete faster than older cars. Personally, I can just use my phone for navigation, looking up gas stations, music, etc. Give me full self driving or get out.
@@thedopplereffect00doesnt matter about the updates. You can still use it
@@talavera180 yeah but you might get your bank account stolen. No thank you. I need a reliable tool
I was once like you. My previous car was a 2015 BMW that I bought in 2020. The amount of money I put into maintenance on that vehicle... Was absolutely not worth it. It was at least a grand or more a year in maintenance costs. I've spent close to 0 on my 2023 Tesla.
Not saying you have to buy brand new but keeping a car too long can be just as much a financial mistake, especially when you consider the trade in value of the vehicle. If you buy a slightly used vehicle and sell it in an appropriate time, that's probably the sweet spot of least maintenance to least cost.
EVs are NOT intended to "save" the auto industry. The auto industry just needs to further embrace this evolving technology supplemented by better charging infrastructure. We will continue to buy vehicles regardless of the kind of energy storage in the design. One day we will run out of petroleum and will have to have alternative power sources already fully implemented.
IMO, even though new models are still getting better and cheaper, it makes no sense to wait.
If you can afford it, replace your ICE vehicle as soon as possible. Total cost of ownership is already lower for electric (and has been for a while), and the faster we get off oil, the sooner our air becomes clean again.
How about insurance? Clean air? lol not driving a Tesla there won’t be. You’ve caused enough pollution from your Lithium extraction
We'll never get off oil. At most it'll go down about half of current demand.
4.5 years in, and 110,000 miles on my model 3 Long-Range, and it still drives like new. Definitely better performance than ICE vehicles, and much lower maintenance and energy costs.
Honestly that intro is just very cute and funny
Ya but video is a propaganda with lies and half truths.
4:55 major mistake here: all EVs, new or old are able to charge off of a regular wall outlet. To be clear, it's not a good solution for people who drive more than an average of 40 miles per day or have a very large vehicle like a truck.
But it shouldn't hold back someone wanting an EV who doesn't fall into those two categories
Lol I feel like you gas light me by hiring a new actor to play your husband every couple of years...
2:16 That sound is a nice subtle touch!
there needs to be a single standard charger for all ev cars, otherwise it will be a lot of wasted effort by each car manufacturer to install their own charger and each one not working with the other. Just make a single standard and have all of them be able to share them with each other
In the USA most manufacturers are now switching to the (Tesla) NACS port.
We _had_ one. Then Tesla decided they wanted to make theirs instead.
If some people can figure out how to make batteries that can take really quick charging (up to seconds), maybe we should consider to build a lightning/thunder power plant
More than that batteries need to get cheaper to make EVs viable.
It's not just about the batteries. You also need to deliver an incredible amount of electricity for fast charging. The grid is not ready for charge-in-seconds scale up to cities
Plug in Hybrids are better, they get better range and cost less ( I know this is about EVs, but don't overlook hybrids)
The Prius prime, gets about 100 mpg
Regarding home charging, while it is a good idea to take advantage of faster charging, depending on how often you drive, plugging in overnight will usually get you more than sufficient range. Typically, eight hours of charging will get you at least 80 to 90 miles of range. 12 hours or more should get you over 100 miles of range no matter of the vehicle. Since most people drive much less than 80 miles round-trip on a typical day, the likelihood is that a standard outlet charge on a daily basis will ensure that your battery is full.therefore, you don’t need to do the upgrade as long as you have access to power
I bought a used 2019 model 3 in 2022. The cost was just much as a used ICE car that is comparable in terms of size and specs. I got an electrician to install a 240v plug in my garage for like $300. I don’t notice any significant difference in my electric bill maybe like $20 more per month. I no longer spend hundreds of dollars every month buying gas and no longer drive to the gas station before or after work or wait in gas line at Costco or Sam’s club. I no longer spend my weekend mornings dropping off my car to the dealership for oil changes or maintenance whatever belts or filters and spending hundreds of dollars every few months for maintenance.
We have put 30,000 plus miles on the car. For the 2 plus years of owning my model 3 the only maintenance ever on my Telsa was changing the cabin air filter which telsa came to my house to do it for like $60 the only reason why I changed the cabin air filter was because someone threw up in my car and I got brand new tires after 2 and half years because I was dumb and I never rotated my tires 😂 that’s on me.
This is our daily driver but yet it can beat any ICE car from the stop light 😂
We use the dog mode a lot for our dog when we have to run inside the store. We took it on so many road trips. You can absolutely beat this car up and it will still run like band new every time.
The customers speak for this brand themselves. I don’t even comment on videos but here I am talking about the one car purchase that actually makes sense. Don’t knock it til you try it. Absolutely life changing car. We have saved so much money because of this car compared to driving a normal combustion car.
This is the most delusional post on the internet. you need more often tire replacements and tires cost more the insurance cost more and everytime you recharge the battery it lessens the lifespan of the battery and it leaks energy like having a hole in your gas tank aka wasting money just sitting there lol. also tesla's need oil changes aka automatric transmission fluid and fluid changes in every motor meaning 2 filters if dual motor and quarts of fluid like 4 qts or more. also the cars are unsafe during hailstorm hailstones will bust through the glass roof look it up lol. my honda crv 2014 with k24 is better than any ev on the planet i can back it up with facts. Wait untill you have to replace the traction bettery by the way the tesla model y and model 3 have 27 and 25 recalls actual manufacturing issues not just over the air update issues.
Yes it works for some people.
@@billybobbob3003 haha delusional my real life example, but ok thanks. I live in CA we don’t get bad weather here like that. Hail storm or whatever you said. I don’t need the car to run forever buddy. I got a lot of use already out of it for the cost. Thanks for your reply.
@@EightTo80 california gets everything snow,hail,floods,earthquakes volcano eruptions/mudslides power outages all the time you name it. lol you better off with a reliable form of transportation like a 4th gen honda crv.
I feel so sorry for most people now struggling in out of control inflation, so here are the EV facts that for some of you, are the missing pieces in your decision process:
If you only drive just 12,000 miles per year
30 miles per gallon (between a mix of
city and interstate driving)
(assuming your car with perfect maintenance
and clean fuel injection burning over
the next 6 years, which is unlikely)
Your still going to need at least 400 gallons
of gas to go just 12,000 miles per year.
or 33.3 gallons per 1000 miles
Over the next 6 year's (even if gasoline
miraculously stayed on average only 4.25 a gallon
it cost a minimum of 12K X 4.25 or 1700.00 a year in gasoline
It is much more likely to assume gasoline cost
will be at least 6.00 a gallon on average between the years 2025 and 2030
I've seen some estimates as high as 9.00 a gallon
in major urban areas, but at just
5.00 and 6.00 a gallon those annual cost are:
2,000 annually (at 5.00 a gallon) and
2400.00 annually at 6.00 a gallon,
The cost for your electricity at home on Level 2 charging
is minimal compared to how much you spend on oil changes
and maintenance on regular gasoline powered cars.
Battery degradation fear is largely overblown, and only apply's to some models with battery's prior to model years
before 2022, If you charge the car using the 20/80 rule on Level 2 charging at home, which restores 150 miles of range
in under 8 hours, you'll see little to zero battery degradation over the next 6 to 7 years, as evidenced now by people who are posting there long term
ownership battery degradation experiences on UA-cam.
A better question would be: can i buy an ev and an at home charging station?
Depends on what you mean. You can have a level 2 charger installed which can charge an ev overnight. Of course you can also use a normal plug, that'll just take way longer
Just plug it into a normal outlet every time it's in the garage. Most people's cars spend the vast majority of their time parked, and most car trips are just a few miles. Many people can get by just fine charging up normally every night.
@@afc820 only problem with this is is that you may lose out on off-peak rates. The benefit of a level 2 charger is that I can charge to my daily maximum all within the off-peak rate of 5 cents/kwh vs 12 cents. Cheap all around, but it definitely helps
No better question is. What is my resale value after 10 years? Think about it.
The resale is crap when you look at the fact these cars lose real range every year, ICE cars dont have that to deal with. A 50gallon fuel tank stores is filled and used the same way with proper maintenance after 10 years, a EV even if its properly serviced(and yes you need to service them because the motors do have fluids in them).
EV’s should be a choice. Having more choices in cars is the best. Competition makes for improvements.
I think hybrids might be what might be the next surge.
Yes.
1. Can you charge it at home ? --> Yes --> do you drive like 25km+ a day ? --> well still maybe
2. Can you charge it at home ? --> No --> Then no.
My feeling is that EV companies (and most new vehicles in general) are designed in an anti-repair way. Dealership only repair options, having to replace full/large systems/modules instead of basic components. As well as subscription based features. I will try to keep my 16 year old truck that any ship can work on running as long as I can.
This isn't really an EV specific problem. All new cars are a pain to repair.
The insurance cost is not mentioned in the provided information. It is typically 20%-50% more expensive.
And everyone I know and have EV need to change their tires twice as often due to the car weight and acceleration.
Not true, I only pay around $30/month through tesla insurance, before that the cheapest I could find was north of $200
@@88Xlmkhave an ev and this is accurate
Not true at all
My insurance went up $10/month.
My tires are still original and just crossed 36k. Just don’t floor it everywhere you go.
Really sad to see so many non-EV drivers in this video commenting how EV shouldn't be a thing
My family has one and only one car, that's an EV, we don't use it often, but when we do, we know we don't need to worry about our asthmatic family members wellbeing nor giving our neighbours lungs cancer
Yeah it's really funny to read all the comments written by people that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
You say it's sad that non-EV drivers are being ignorant about your choice of transportation, but then counter with your stereotypical snobbery about how much better you are than everyone else because you're not polluting the air at the user end, while not being transparent about how the electricity that powers your EV gets produced. You can't have it both ways.
@@scarpfish I know exactly how the power in my EV gets produced. You do realize that solar panels exist right? And regardless no matter the source of the electricity it is still producing fewer emissions than a gas car. People have done the math but people like you want to remain ignorant.
Oh boy here we go again
Apparently 30percent of power in the US is now solar. Coal plants are being shutdown because they are more expensive. There's certainly more work to do but some encouraging first steps.
You forgot to Run the Numbers! 5 years ago I was in the market for a car around $5000. I stretched my budget and got a 5 year old PHEV for $10 K. The fuel and maintenance savings has more than paid for the price gap, and in two more years it'll break even with my old civic that got 40 mpg in fuel costs alone!
Anecdote!
PHEV though- which, in general, make more sense in every way than Battery EVs. Chevy Volt I'm guessing?
@@SoybeanAK '14 Volt premium. A fair bit more comfortable than a '98 civic too.
@@sethreinke9587 Good cars from what I hear. Anecdotally, all the PHEV owners I know are conservatives- almost like they're good cars when you want to save fuel instead of virtue signalling. And yet, Chevy dropped it for a Battery EV- better subsidies.
These things cost so much less to run, like 5 limes less than gas.
EV’s…..
I just bought few weeks ago an RX7 FC3s single turbo, does around 4km/l and revs to 8,500RPM, 400+ BHP and I’m so happy!!!!
Then for my commute days or local grocery shops I love to get my bicycle…
The car I only use when I want it, and not be slave of an “automobile” which I know some people that uses a car just to pickup a milk 2KM away from home…
And add to the note I’m living in Nagano prefecture, the winter is harsh!
Overall, this was a pretty fair overview of the EV market/situation. If people want a channel to learn more about EVs in detail, I recommend Transport Evolved. Tom Moloughney's channel, State of Charge is also good for learning about EV chargers/charging specifically!
Engineering explained is great also
Both are great channels 👍
whichever you get make sure you buy a spare tire and keep it in the trunk. new evs and hybrids don’t have them and you might be in for a surprise the first time you get a flat
Did they not mention the depreciation of the value of the car? When the battery's life is reduced, half the price of the car is just gone. And you have to pay $$$$$ to replace the battery.
Myth. Battery degradation is a lot less than expected. Like 90% after 5 years or more.
ICE cars also depreciate in value? Cars in general are a depreciating asset. Battery degradation is over blown, other commenters already mentioned a drop to 85% capacity over 5-8+ years. Chevy has a 8 year warranty on their EV battery for a reason.
@@doomtomb3 90% battery loss in 5 years is VERY bad. By year 7 it’s worthless. Thats a worse investment than a mobile home
@@aaronlandry3934 no, he meant still at 90% health in 5 years.
To me depreciation is a rich person problem. I keep cars until they cost too much to fix, roughly 10 to 12 years. My first new car was the 2022 Tesla Model 3 rwd. Love it. It saves me over $3k last year just in fuel costs and the LFP battery should last 300k to 500k miles.
Another thing of electric cars provide that most people don’t talk too much about is the fact that if you were caught in traffic, you don’t have to keep the engine running in order to keep up with anni movement. In fact, electric vehicle is significantly more efficient and stop and go traffic Than in open roads.
But what’s more, you find yourself behind a roadblock for several hours, an electric vehicle is actually a much better place to be than a gas vehicle. While you will still lose some power if you’re running your heat or,you can shut off the vehicle and next to no power while you wait.
RE 4:09: There is currently one Tesla Model 3 variant that qualifies for the $7,500 tax rebate. According to the Tesla website:
Tax Credit for Each Vehicle:
- Model 3 Performance: $7,500
- Model X Dual Motor: $7,500
- 2024 Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive: $7,500
- Model Y Long Range: $7,500
- Model Y Performance: $7,500
If you live in a city, odds are that you live in multifamily housing, making it a real PITA to get a charger installed at your home where you park, and quite expensive. Like $10k instead of $2k that simgle family home dwellers get to pay. If the country wants to incentivise people into buying electric they need to address this barrier to entry.
New EV sales were more than 35% of new car purchases in some urban areas in 2023 (California), already way more than 7%, and despite it being challenging for the majority of residents to charge at their multifamily homes.
Also, homeowners live in both single family homes and multifamily homes, as do renters.
One thing I rarely ever see mentioned is the environmental impact of mining/refining lithium, and what that does to local soil and water. While not warming the planet, it is having other environmental effects. Only considering climate change ignores plastic in the ocean, landfills, and toxicity of synthetic chemicals like pfoa.
!!!! This I was looking for this exactly. Its actually kind of troubling when it's not mentioned..I listened to The Daily and about 2 years ago talked about this exact topic. It is so crucial that we understand what is happening to our sea life and seafloor! Makes me really sad.
When you take into account the mining of lithium and cobalt, it takes about 2 years of driving to offset the extra emissions from mining. So as long as you drive the car longer than the average car owner, it’s a net benefit. This also doesn’t take into account that most Ev batteries are recyclable, however.
Please tell me all about the environmental impact of oil extraction.
From fracking, to abandoned wells, to spills, speaking of which there's still oil coming out of the ground in Prince William Sound, Alaska, from a spill in the 1980s!
All of that is "fine", but how dare we do even minor damage to change to something that does way less damage over all?
The oil industry thanks you for their defense, even as they pick your pocket to line theirs.
@@jimthain8777 you are putting words in my mouth. You are straw-manning. I never said stay on fossil fuels. I said lithium/cobalt mining and refining is rarely covered when it comes to the conversation of environmental impact of EVs. To my knowledge, Hydrogen Fuel Cells are better for the environment than Lithium Ion Batteries when it comes to energy storage (assuming we move nuclear/renewable energy generation). While hydrogen is scary due to its flammability, there is research proving this can be negated if hydrogen as stored an easily separable compound with magnesium (I believe hydrogen powerpaste is what this compound is being called). After use, this magnesium can be recycled for use as more powerpaste, the only emission from the engine is water vapor, and mining/refining of magnesium (to my knowledge) is better for the environment than lithium/cobalt refining. It requires high heat to bond the hydrogen to the magnesium, but again, if we use renewables/nuclear as an energy source, emissions are not a worry.
Ultimately we should move away from the automobile. We need to build safe, high speed, passenger train infrastructure, and have more frequent train schedules. Trains are much more energy and emssions efficient than cars if you consider the volume of passengers trains can shuttle. What we need is better rail infrastructure and civil planning for more walkable towns. Suburban sprawl has had a major impact on the environment. I suggest channels like NotJustBikes and StrongTown.
@@andy.morris it's more than the emissions. It's the water pollution which kills animals, and runoff water from flats can lead to soil contamination, killing plants. There are very few environmental safety regulations when it comes heavy metal mining and refining. Not to mention deforestation needed for setting up shop. Regardless of runoff, once all the lithium in the area is minined and refined, the soil of the flats are so heavily toxic, no plants can grow there afterward.
I worry that EVs will be disposable because the batteries cost SO MUCH to replace and they will contribute to more trash because they only last so many miles. Better for the environment to just buy used cars. My partner is a car enthusiast and has owned and personally maintained over 35 old BMWs with most of them reaching 200 to 250k+ miles and they are usually 90s to early 2000s cars so 20-30 yrs old. They run great because he is skilled but the point is they're ABLE to run at this old age. Will EVs be able to last 20 yrs?
EV batteries are way too valuable to throw away. They get reused way more than recycled. Battery recyclers are struggling to get used packs from even totaled EVs because the packs are quickly bought on the secondary market to be used for other projects.
If the EVs could charge via solar while reducing the heat that'd be phenomenal
The Toyota Prius actually can be optioned with a solar roof
@@haydenho154 how long does it take for it to be fully charged, I never knew about that
@@ramelchilds7416 3 days for 40 miles. it's luckily not a full EV, since Toyota refuses to fully commit until they are ready because they are more or less perfectionists. Their only full EV is the bz34/Subaru Solterra which are both the worst EVs you can buy, alongside the Nissan leaf
Charge About 6 hours at home while I sleep and about 20 minutes at Tesla supercharger 😊
@@haydenho154Toyota held off on making diesel till the technology was better. Crdt was the first diesel. The D4D
Assaults->EV’s only work for people who charge at home and take short trips. The other problem is charging station availability with almost 50% broken. Then there is a bigger scarier problem if you live in an area or travel through an area with crime…..charging station assaults, many of which never get reported, let alone prosecuted. They especially target out-of-state plates. This why my wife will never do a trip in the EV again. The other pesky little problem is that EV’s contribute 20% more tire microplastic to the environment per vehicle. Imagine what happens when electric trucks hit the roads?
By your comments I can tell you didn't have a Tesla. I have only ever had 1 supercharger stall not work out of the 69 or so I have used. I have not felt unsafe at any of the stations but I also plan where I stop based on what's in the area.
To everyone saying EVs aren't about saving the environment, that's incorrect. How likely do you think it is to get everyone to take a bus to work and sell their car? Even with public transit funding, EVs are a very necessary step to reducing total emissions.
Most people in Europe take a bus to work. It's really not a big deal.
@@sigaev11 it might not be to some, but those that want to ride a bike or take a bus already do so, regardless of vehicle options on the road. The realist in me says, we can't have mass change disrupting how a society operates within a short amount of time. Electric cars serve a purpose of steps towards carbon neutrality while maintaining the free marketplace that allows consumers choice of how to live.
EV's are only more reliable in a very specific window (
can you guys do a video about buying a existing business, one with property n one without. thank you!!!
Local pollution. Localized pollution is directly correlated to gas cars. This directly affects human health because it is so concentrated. This causes the yearly deaths we hear about.
It is always better to drive an EV, or don't drive at all. Walk or bike
When you add coal electricity to electric car pollution. You must add pollution from oil drilling and refining to car gas.
The sad thing is it takes 6kWh worth of electricity for each gallon of gasoline (from well to tank). All jack wells use electricity, all pipelines use electricity both from the well to the refinery and from the refinery to the distribution points. Plus the refinery itself. We complain about not making a pipeline from Canada to TX and somehow think crude doesn't get pumped thousands of miles. You can drive an EV 24 miles on just the electricity, coal or not, used to pump, refine and deliver each gallon of gasoline. So not only is there significant pollution in the refining process the whole process also uses a significant amount of electricity. Gas cars also use electricity.
If you want to “save the environment”, allow Chinese EVs and encourage them to install more solar panels and wind farms. You decarbonize transportation and industry (which happens mostly in China). But if you use this opportunity for trade wars, protection and income transfer by limiting EV credit to low earners, that is what you achieve.
Yep
Many arguments can be made for and against EVs, but it would be ridiculous to talk about the environmental impact if we are going to exclude the high environmental cost of mining materials for the batteries. At the end of the day, replacing ICE vehicles with EVs will not be the sole answer.
New battery chemistries are reducing or removing such minerals. Definitely something to look into when picking.
@@psalmy26 pardon silly me -- what chemistries are available today, in 2024, beyond some form of lithium? Did I miss something?
But you see, mining is not done in the US, therefore data cannot be trusted, and shouldn't make it in the report. How convenient.
Plus, it's not just mining -- it's the compound interest too. The fuel you will burn in 4 years will not be in the atmosphere for 4 years (until you actually burn it). Mining was done yesterday, and all that CO2+rest-of-emissions will sit there for 4 years, diligently warming the planet.
This "high environmental impact" is still nowhere near the impact from mining fossil fuels. We're talking 180K metric tons of lithium mined in 2023, and 15 BILLION metric tons of fossil fuels mined in 2021.
So you're right, EVS will not be the sole answer, there's no way we can reduce 15,000,000,000 with only 180,000.
I kinda agree, the real answer is hydrogen cars or solar powered car
Being in manufacturing with my hand in a lot of ICE components, EVs really are a mixed bag. Not only is battery technology/disposal a major concern, but the power grid itself. The amount of stress EVs may put on the grid (especially if everyone charges the same time, roughly 5-6 PM weeknights), we got a lot of work ahead of us for that.
We're also playing this silly game of "Do everything but address the problem directly". Regulations have pushed vehicles into becoming larger and sucking up more gas over teh last 40 years. We got literally half of surburbia driving around trucks and large SUVs at a half to a third of the fuel efficiency even a hybrid can offer.
Omg a channel I trust released a video about a question I've been asking Google for months now.
😂
I own an EV and for me it was a great decision. I will be glad to answer any questions about it.
Really great video from you guys on the state of the EV industry. It'll be interesting to see if there are any policy changes with the upcoming election year
First time Tesla buyer and I can tell from experience biggest con now is insurance is still higher than gas car. What makes it worst Tesla own insurance is based on how well you drive expcting you to drive their way and not your way where you are comstantly monitored. I had a couple of false frontal alert cause AI but they ding you for it. If you driver after 2 am you are ding. There are law suit towards Tesla on it. My premium went up $85 within one monthcause Tesla did not like how I drive.
Also repairs are expensive if you're not used to luxury prices
Must be a USA and UK issue - my insurance is 20% cheaper on my model 3 than the Audi A4 it replaced it's the same deal throughout most of Europe.
5:05 citation needed. While SOME 240v charging can cost 1-2k, it in no way has to. It is legal to DIY and if the panel is in the garage can be done for less than $100 worth of materials + EVSE. If wiring a 14-30 or 14-50 is outside of your comfort zone, you could do a 6-20 which uses the bog standard 12/2 Rolex wire most of your house has anyway, and is very minimally different than wiring in a ordinary 120v outlet. A electrician should also charge much less for this than they would a 6-50 or similar high amperage circuit. How practical is the relatively low powered 6-20? Honestly, it’s very possibly all that the majority really need. A Tesla model Y will charge at 14mph per tesla, and that works out to 112 miles of range over an 8 hour night. We can round that down to 100 miles for the average passenger EV, and being the average daily is under 50 miles that’s more than enough. You can very easily get a charger installed under $500 DIY including your EVSE. I myself use a model connector ($250) with a 14-30 outlet, $100 in materials (6ft wire), and $45 for the additional adapter.
Missed opportunity to talk about the financial benefits of going car-lite or car free!😢
Depending on where you live that's not an option. No car is going to be obviously cheaper
That’s not the point of this video
lol car free life in America is called “Poverty”
I bought a Tesla Model Y in December 2023. In these 5 months, I have spent $53 USD for electricity for my car. The lowest battery charge I have reached so far is 42% for groceries and errands Sunday. Ohh! And $0 USD in maintenance.