Wow, I didn't know this. Aeroponic are IDEAL for food production on Mars, and farms are springing up accross the globe in the heart of cities as we speak..
@@MyKharli Just like PayPal, Musk's quasi-science technological companies are for one entity, his narcissistic, self-involved, technocratic, crony-capitalist, Trump election advising, monopolist self. I place my faith in humanity, not the machinations of scientific method, politics, religion, business, society, etc. Why is it so hard for people to see these snake oil salesmen for what they are? Musk is contaminating the solar system with bacteria and burning out his employees, making it impossible for real science institutions to find new life.
Hadnt looked at any of Musk's activitues as such but makes sense. Earth ia the perfect beta test site. Elon...smartest guy in the room...on two planets!
You know, I anticipated his plans back in 2014 already. When I saw what he was doing, and of course he already stated he wanted to colonise Mars for the continued existence of the human race, if anything were to happen on earth (Large Asteroid impact for example), I immediately noticed they were all technologies that are essential for surviving and building a colony on Mars. Been scouring internet daily for news on Elon, ever since. He's my absolute hero.
@@christopherkincey-kamau4404 So far, none of his projects have achieved their respective goals. I wouldn't jump to conclusions too soon. Also, basically all of his ideas are somewhat stubborn attempts at getting old ideas to work, despite earlier attempts failing.
@@PHeMoX uh...he has a $35k ev that not only is the best in the world but is outselling all premium brands incl in germany no less. He had a successful manned flight of a reuasable rocket...something NASA has never been able to do and did it at a fraction of the cist. Now most in intl space flight see that one event as the hinge which opens up a whole new space age for humanity, on which takes man to the moon, mars, and certainly beyond, over time. He landed a $50 mil gig in Vegas just weeks after hus Biring tunnel demo... He has set big auto, big oil, big media, and big investments on their ears with disruptive technologies that are making the wotld a better, cleaner place - dispite opposition's best effirts to prevent or delay this. Dude us literally changing the world while taking us to new ones. Did nothing? What have you done for humanity my friend?
If I read Musk's intentions right, and taking into account his personality, there's won't be a need for money on Mars. Once there, you're taken care of in exchange for your contribution to the colony. And everything will be available for naught.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 ayyyy, communism! no but seriously, a system like that just doesnt work with humans. it might for the first few years when there are only a couple of people who all know eachother, but at some point some people just wont do the needed work.
@@seyyyer Then he'll prbably find somewhere in the middle. And if you don't work, you're on the next starship back to earth. Fair=Fair, if you want to help build a colony on a strange planet you'd better have good motivation. Later when other groups settle, currency will become more common, that is inevitable
So funny ... I'd just proposed this possibility to my family over the weekend ... and then two days later, this video shows up on my recommend list - -
The weirdest thing is that I also thought of that yesterday after seeing the hyperloop. This is not going to work in cities because something like that (unless you makes it very expensive) will cause files because too many people want to use it, but on Mars?
Buildings have to be air tight on mars. Bricks could maybe shield them from radiation and flying particles but could not be used as part of the main structure.
@@fortunefed8719 Ever heard of mortar? a few chases of brick on earth is airtight when built correctly and I suspect they would use what NASA has proposed for the moon. Namely using lasers to melt the silicate minerals in the soil into a sort of glass
@@danielneukomm4097 you're nit picking and miss the point. even with factory to extract O2, the car would have to be heavily redesigned to carry O2 tanks and inject into engine. it's no longer a normal ICE car
Just the fact you'd have to carry the oxidant in addition to the fuel make it a much worse choice than just going electric since the two are _essentially_ on par with one another today, and electric is only get better.
The boring company boring machines are, as I understand it, electrically powered and are smaller than most boring machines - small enough to fit on a rocket. He's spent a lot of time with Tesla working out how to automate his factories. Again, a thing a colony would need. He does seem to be missing extraction tech to be able to build things from mined elements on Mars, but otherwise, yes, he's got the tech blueprint down for living on Mars.
I think you're missing 1 thing... The tunnel boring machine is what would make habitation as well. Without a good magnetosphere the surface radiation is too high so you'd need to live under several feet of Martian regolith to lessen the effect. So really we would live in a ton of underground tunnel homes connected by more tunnels. I don't think surface habitation would happen for many many years after we start colonizing. The idea of the surface dome would be really impractical for early colonies but once we have been there 20+ years I'm sure we will get there. And there was a NASA or DARPA or whatever acronym competition to find ways to harvest lunar regolith then process it and such so the tech is being refined. we know some Vegetables can grow in Martian regolith albeit very slowly and small. My only thing I was not seeing was hydroponic farming systems under his businesses but apparently someone else in the Musk family is doing that now
What else can boring machine be used for? Mining for minerals, yes? And resulting material exiting the machine is already ground to dust, ready for processing.
@CommandoDude No we don't need sunlight, humans can get on fine without it. D-vitamins you can get from your diet or even a tanning bed. If you're thinking psychologically, by designing appropriate lighting, you can simulate Earth like day night cycles inside with no problem. Personally I rarely see the sun I can stay inside for weeks on end without leaving the house and have no issues... Mars will obviously be expensive and they would use cheaper technologies in the beginning and then expand with more expensive technology to grow the colony with time. Colonizing Mars is not a vanity project, it's the new frontier that will really open up opportunities for a space economy. Jeff Bezos for example envisions a TRILLION people living around the solar system in the not too distant future, and he is/was the richest man on Earth... In the future, Earth it self will be a vanity project for planet chauvinists and will essentially be the central park/wildlife reserve of the solar system.
@CommandoDude 1. About the light: I know all about ambient light as I have had a tendency to go to sleep as the sun rises, so I have blinds that block the light completely and a set of curtains on top to block any light that leaks in on the sides. I can see the light very clearly when it leaks through and the lights are out. Now clarify what you mean close to the poles? I live close to the polar circle and know what the polar night is like. You don't have to be inside of the polar circles to experience their effects. I've grown up with winter where you wake up to complete darkness and go to school, then the day pass by and you go home again in complete darkness. In my later years it's even been easier to miss the few hours of light by sleeping through the days and spending all waking hours in darkness. In my later years I started taking vitamin D supplements among others, and don't suffer from winter depression no more. Us northerners have evolved to survive it well a diet rich in fish helps a lot. Now when it comes to sunlight, if it really was so critical (which I highly doubt) then there are tanning beds that give UV radiation, the very same radiation your skin use to produce vit D. When it comes to psychological aspect it's the blue light that helps regulate your circadian rythm. I know about this very intimately as it's the cause of me not sleeping at night. LEDs have no problem producing the light we see with our eyes (it's very likely they are in the screen you'll be reading this on). So when it comes to sunlight, we can produce it arteficial in any ammount we desire. Another psychological problem may be with the closeness to and experience of nature, which the sun is a very intimate part of. Norwegians don't go to southern countries every year on Holliday for nothing. The warmth of the sun and the climate is appealing to lot's of people. However this is a very personal preference. With the advent of computers and online entertainment you have growing culture of people who could not care if the sun didn't rise tomorrow. I'm one of them and I don't need to see the sun. I have gone weeks and maybe months at times not seeing daylight and it hasen't bothered me one bit. I'm pretty sure the higher suicide rates are due to higher parts of the population having low vitamin D levels. I personally have been able to maintain good levels through this winter. I just checked my vit D a week or two ago and they were exellent. Taking supplements have worked great for me and I'm certain I haven't received any UV from the sun. So for certain people living in the north is very tolerable. There should be more than enough of us to populate Mars colonies. As it develops life will become easier there and any problems will be mitigated. It's likely though that Marsians and Earthers will develop and evolve into very different peoples. Different cultures and even different biologists. I think Marsians will have more of the prerequisites for living and working in space so over the centuries I bet space industries will become dominated by Marsians as Earthians will be less suited for space life and require more pampering and carefully designed space habitats. Im not talking end of century I'm talking by the end of the millennia.
@CommandoDude 2. About space economics: I don't think you know all too much about futurism. Your knowledge is stuck in the past realities. Flying planes and driving trains are cheap in comparison because you don't have to scrap the planes and trains after one trip. In space launch industry it's been like that, but this is about to change. Fuel is not the driving cost of launch, the launch vehicle is. Costs are going to come down dramatically over the next decades. Right now there won't be much profit to make in space, but that too will change. A single asteroid can hold more gold than we have access to here on Earth, it's the same for other valuable rear Earth minerals. Space mining is being worked on by real companies. China plans on building solar arrays in orbit that will beam power down to the power grid back on Earth. It's easy to piggy back off of that for using space energy for energy intensive manufacturing in space. As Bezos said it, move the dirty heavy industry off Earth to leave Earth as the a clean ble marble we all want it to remain. You're right that launching to and from space will be somewhat expensive, so we'll keep to the more valuable stuff to launch. To get the space economy really going we need customers in space to produce for. It's a chicken and egg problem, no people in space means no industry in space, which mean no people in space. This will be overcome sooner or later by the visionaries and others will follow. Mars is an important stepping stone for getting things going and building enthusiasm. Space tourism will be a key ingredient as well, as it will rise the demand for space habitats and human space transportation systems. When all these are established you will have a self reinforcing economy that will grow on it's own. Companies will operate space infrastructure to deliver services and resources to other companies who also operate there, all who will be employing and servicing both temporary and permanent growing populations. Some industry will take place in Earth orbit, some on the Moon, some on/around Mars and some as far out as the asteroid belt. It will probably take until the end of this century and beyond before we see all this taking place, but it is definitively not unfeasible. You may have misunderstood me about Bezos trillion population figure, as I think that would be at least a thousand years in the future, but it's a vision to work towards.
"If we find oil on Mars" Id just like to point out that oil comes from the decomposition of organic organisms from a very very long time ago. If we find oil on Mars, that assumes there was once life on Mars and a lot of it.
Musk is simultaneously focussed on Mars and Earth. He tries to build things that can be useful for both. He thinks more laterally than us I’m sure... Mars is a good positive goal to strive for, that motivates us to build solutions for living in inhospitable environments, and to research ways of growing food and recycling the air. Which maybe will be useful on earth too. So yes his Earthly goals are to help Mars... but that’s also to eventually come back and help Earth.
Yes good points because maybe if we trigger runaway global warming we may need to put more infrastructure underground to protect it from super storms and people underground to protect us from excessive heatwaves.
I never bothered to put Musk's projects together into a bigger picture, but I do believe your hypothesis is correct. The pieces fall into place too perfectly!
Original BFR in 2016 was 12 M or 39.37 ft. Recently Musk said he would skip that, for an 18 M or 59 ft. Should fit :) from what I have read, Musk is thinking a capability to produce BFR's in several versions to the 1000's... so perhaps doubling the size may not be a problem. As well, now that the Cybertruck has been pronounced as being built for Mars, I'm sure the early years won't be needing a large diameter tunnel, so build something smaller ;) There is always a way in engineering, if you don't break the laws of physics... And I'm sure Musk knows that thoroughly... edit spelling errors
I've been certain this is his strategy for months now. It all adds up. As soon as I saw the Boring company and what they were doing, I immediately saw how it could be utilised on mars and the moon. Not only to make the tunnels to connect habitats, but also using the boring device to hollow out the actual habitats themselves and with the rock and material that is excavated, it will be refined into building materials from which alot of things can be made. I didnt realise that his brother has been working on indoor food production, but that one of the biggest missing pieces of the puzzle accounted for.
Wind (Scott Maningly talked about it) and nuclear are viable for mars, solar suffers from the increased distance from the sun but is still good to have
"Some experts believe this giant (BFR) has almost no purpose out side Mars).You do realize we expect a large LEO space station. Moon base and all the equipment to start an asteroid capture and mining industry in the next 10 years. A hyper heavy lift rocket is going to be required for every single one of those projects and many more... I'm just saying, it's hardly only a Mars mission machine man.
@@johnnyllooddte3415 I hope you're just trolling. Obviously the point is to establish the infrastructure so they don't need to continue sending materials up by rocket. Once that's in place, there's a lot we can build up there more easily than on earth b/c of the low gravity.
@@johnnyllooddte3415 Nope! Payload costs to GTO on a Falcon 9 are about 9091 dollars per kilogram (or 257.7 dollars per ounce) with a reused rocket. Of course the equipment itself is going to cost more money, and you would lose some efficiency getting it beyond Earth orbit, and that is only for the equipment put into space rather than the amount of material you can extract from it, but even with all of that you need to be 35,805 times less efficient than launching free mass to geostationary transfer orbit on an already flown Falcon 9 being reused. That's actually really really unrealistically high. If your equipment can mine and return as much as it weighs, and let's say it costs as much as the rocket launching it, then factoring in the additional inefficiency of getting to a near-Earth-asteroid, then you're probably looking at the cost increasing somewhere between 2-3 times as much as the cost per ounce to GTO. That's 515.4 to 773.1 dollars per ounce; a far cry from 10,000,000. And that's ignoring the cost to orbit dropping as the superheavy reusable methalox rockets come online in the next few years, as well as the ability to convert the materials in space into more equipment, and the ability to keep using your equipment in space. People really seem to think that space is more expensive than it actually is for some reason...
Wind power is actually not as effected by air pressure as you would think. In the equations, wind speed is much more important. Even though the Martian atmosphere is >.1 atmospheres the wind speed can regularly reach 60mph. Scott Manley has a really good video about this.
The reduced gravity also aids in erecting taller structures. But the dust erosion must be a big problem. The protective coating will need to be quite hard.
oh my god. this totally hits the nail on the head. I could never understand the point of hyperloop, but for mars it makes absolute sense. just like everything else. :O
Well It'll be better than getting stuck in traffic. There was a plan for Amtrak to build a high speed rail line that would cost 135 billion dollars from D.C. to Boston, MA. Just to save 15 minutes. Taking land and properties by eminent domain. Separating neighborhoods and ruining the fabric of communities. For that price I prefer Hyper Loop that is heck a lot faster and quicker to your destinations.
I don't know that it really does make sense. As the video says, most of the work is already done for you because of the of the thin atmosphere. Why even bother with a vacuum tube when you're practically already in vacuum anyway? That said.. building a large scale depressurized tunnel construction on a world with high atmospheric pressure could possibly tell you quite a bit about what's needed to build a large scale pressurized tunnel construction on a low pressure world.
no one is going to build a hyperloop on mars. since the atmosphere on Mars much less dense, you could just build regular trains and have the same effect of a vacuum tube.
Inter-continental travel by rockets is "utter nonsense"?!?!? Travel time will be cut down to three hours. The impact on the travel undustry will be immense. I am positive that flight will be competitive .
True but something as brute as the Starship and booster, will not be allowed to Launch from Everywhere. I'm guessing platforms way out at sea will be the only option, if those things are going to launch and land a few times a day. Imagine the noise those engines make and the sonic booms on re-entry, noone wants to live in that constantly. So unless you have a chopper to take you directly there from home, you'll probably end up taking just as long as a normal long distance plane flight.
Love the video. Never thought about what Musk is doing in that way. Musk will be one of those people talked about in history books in 1000 years time. He really is a great mind of today
Elon has said many times he wants to go to Mars so I have thought it normal that whatever he does he can easily extrapolate to use on Mars. Electric vehicles, high speed transportation, city to city rocket travel, massive battery storage, solar roofs .. all would work on Mars.
I've been saying the exact same thing for a while. And also, when I saw the size of the Boring company's tunnel machines and resulting tunnels, I realized that its within the diameter of the FSH and Starship cargo vessel variant. Underground on Mars (and the moon) is the best place for radiation shielding. And tunnelling and boring machines are necessary for resource extraction and mining. Tesla provides drive motor and vehicle knowhow along with battery tech. Solar City provides solar power. Starlink, as you pointed out, provides communication and geolocation. And to deal with biological enhancement and provide BCI for telepresense control of robots... Neurallink. Still... after putting all this together, I don't think I'd volunteer to be one of Elon Musk's colonists. The picture being painted for someone who can just barely scrape together the funds to move to Mars... it doesn't bode well for the kind of labor and work they'll have to do when they get there to earn their keep. For me, I'd rather live in an orbital built to spec and sourced from lunar and asteroid material and constructed in space. We should be able to build those with rotating 1g rings providing hundreds of square miles of interior surface area for cheap with access to space resources and use telepresense from earth along with automation to do everything but put the biosphere on board. We can probably even get O2 and water from the moon in sufficient quantities to build millions of these stations holding between 10k and 100k people. Better than being a slave on mars.
So what you're saying is, modes of transport are important no matter what planet you're on? In fact, most things anyone does on Earth need some kind of proxy on Mars. You can take pretty much anything he's involved in and say it's for Mars, aside from his Not-A-Flamethrower....... Ok, if it turns out there are angry sandworms on that need to be torched, I'll believe your theory
I've thought this for a long time. Tunnels and solar power... Both will ABSOLUTELY be needed in Mars. And at a much higher technological level then they are now. Along with better satellites.
Except that solar will only be one third as effective on Mars as it is on Earth due to the distance from the sun (there is more ray divergence). Plus there are sand storms that can cover the entire planet form months every 10 or so years. Nuclear is a far better method for power. This is why the curiosity rover used nuclear instead of solar like it's 2 predecessors.
@@Skylancer727 I say go with Nuclear and Solar. It's good to have a backup if one power source fails, especially if you're living on another planet far, far away from Earth. Tesla's battery storage would also be useful in emergencies.
Unfortunately we have no idea. We are just kinda hoping it isn't as big a deal as we think it is and that Mars has enough gravity for it to not be a problem for colonization. If it is, well I guess we are stuck with Earth till we can build O-Neil Cylinders.
Don't know for sure. Not yet at least. All of our medical data relating to gravity effects on humans is either 1g, or 0g, and almost no in between (Lunar gravity, 0.16g). Mars at 0.38g could either be fine for us, or too low to be acceptable. But again, we don't know. I'm hoping the first Mars missions take their time to do full medical studies on people before they send colonists en masse.
@@davidk1308 that's the idea. If it is truly impossible for humans to live on Mars normally, we will need to develop spinning habitats as to add extra gravity effects on the body. Or we could just skip Mars and just build O'Neil Cylinders but that's a decent ways off yet.
@@Skylancer727 If Mars gravity proves too low would it be compensated by some sort of heavy clothing materials. Maybe like chain mail armour, enough of to make people think they were under Earths gravity. This type of clothing could maybe shield against cosmic rays too.
Oh there’s another Musk development for Mars. Massive, obvious, and yet unnoticed. :) Gigafactories. Raw material in one end, then cars, solar and batteries out the other end. Running on solar. Not a bad idea for Mars. He’s practicing. A massively automated production line too. So automated that it might even be possible to have some lines unpressurised.
I tought most of his ideas except spacex and tesla, Was just bad ideas until i watched this video and realised that everything elon musk make is designed for mars.
it is direct if you think of it deeply. i thought of it way back. everything Elon does. is just soo good for Mars, we forgot as well he has put money in house 3d printing.
@@andyjk5974 Any 3D PRINTING of large habitats for MARS that can be shipped by BFR? Also remotely controlled or SO controlled software to run, design, and Build these large habitats?
No secret Elon has always been singularly focused on making humanity a multi-planetary species -I also believe that to be essential for our survival as a species -among other things
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334In reality this is the same nonsense . Until I see a working biosphere project on earth I think people have very rosy tinted specs on . The same people who say they would go to mars in fact do not lock themselves up in a bus for six months to arrive at there bedroom where they have to stay for maybe two years with the odd walk out hoping everything works ok to find a load of dust , While here on earth there are still tons of mysteries which I bet there not out searching for . Basically we are chimps with guns and good imaginations. Still hope I am wrong !
You missed something about Starlink - It's laser intercommunication is also being designed to pick up optical communications from the red planet. It's not just a money maker and a way to share data on mars, it also does the job of a deep space communications system by receiving incoming calls.
Michael Arndt Limited to the speed of light in a vacuum, the fastest possible time of communication between earth and mars (that’s when the 2 planets are the closest to eachother) is no less than 3 minutes. So a call would be really dumb due to the huge delay, but sending messages or any other form of data other the a live call is very effective
A space colony doesn't need to be small and cramped. Depending on the layout, it could be a large city, just, you know, self-contained. But far from a prison. Yeah, we need a lot more studies and research on self-sustaining biospheres, but that could be done alongside building up a Mars base. Once we have the kinks ironed out, we'll be free to expand. But I don't know how long that would take.
Most of this, except hyperloop is reasonable. Hyperloop is far too delicate and sensitive to be safe for any colony. It'd be safer and cheaper to just do uncrewed maglev and keep crew transports relatively slow.
"If we do it will be a truly epic discovery" 5:15 If we do find oil on mars, we won't need Elon Musk and the Starship, The Americans will be there in 12 months. -6 months the journey -6 months to prepare a vessel capable of transporting up to 500 troops, supplies, ammo, tanks, mobile bases, and heavy oil extracting machines, also train everyone, plan the whole thing, get it in and out of congress, do test-flights, and develop all the new technologies required for that to happen.
@@sebasfavaron because claiming billion dollar projects are for mars when we dont even know if we Can Go there is kind of pointless? 100% speculation with 0 prove is just clickbait
Mr. Musk has humorously approached a difficult task. It's refreshing to see & watch a space project series unfolding before my eyes and feet that I am part of the whole whooping thing that is going on, even as an observer.
We need to advance and perfect nuclear for serious colonization and even serious exploration of our solar system. Nuclear is many orders of magnitude more energy dense than any other form of energy.
The surface of Venus is hot enough to literally melt itself. We're not going to be spending any significant time there. The atmospheric pressure also makes for some serious concerns when it comes to getting on and off the planet. Ever try a manned mission to Eve in Kerbal Space Program? There's a reason it's considered one of the greatest challenges the game has to offer. Some people have considered what amounts to flying dirigible cities in the "habitable" zone of Venus's atmosphere.. but the effort required to make that happen would just be nuts. Ultimately, why? What does that gain you? You may as well just stay on a space station in orbit.
On Mars single-stage to orbit works great. The Starship is in fact designed for it, no need for a booster. About nuclear power: It works great on submarines, and the Russians are making nuclear powered ice-breaker ships as we speak. It could absolutely be doable with modern tech. And safe.
Why do you think the pressure in the hyperloop tunnels is exactly 1% of normal atmospheric? ---> Mars surface pressure ;) that was the dead giveaway from the start.
Man, I can't wait for Martian dune buggy canyon racing, that's going to be epic. Aside from all that, great video! I really enjoyed the calm and logical presentation.
CockatooDude image the acceleration as the gravity is less than earth do whatever your hot rod Dynos out here and the percentage more of the difference in gravity =. big huge doubles way no trouble .. whoops double in a double times to the 40 millionth square out
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Space X gets u there. Tesla drives you around. Solarcity powers your bases. Powerwalls store your power. Boring digs your living spaces. Kimbal grows your food. Flamethrowers for defence ;). seems like some pretty straight forward connection of dots to me.
electric vehicles, solar power, state of the art batteries, indoor food production.......yeah, I would say his projects are ripe to be tested on mars...and discovery of mars secrets that are yet to be found.
It may be all about the dow like everything else but so far he's outdone himself and I love it / ''don't buy this flame thrower'' reversed psychology :)))))
Mr. Musk is a visionary who combines Tesla, the Wrights, Billy Mitchell, Rickenbacker. Howard Hughes. And Frank Zappa. Smoking dope on camera was not his best moment. I wonder what brand he smokes. Maybe we should find out and send some to the folks that run NASA! Or give NASA to Mr. Musk and let him run it. I wonder how much he would charge? With a budget the size of NASA's he could colonize the whole solar system! After Mars I recommend that the second place we colonize is California.
Excellent. There is a huge amount of Elon related information supporting your thesis, and I, for one, am both certain that you are correct and support his vision, maybe especially because it is so incredibly difficult to achieve. The key to growing the Martian world is a one-way emigration and the procreating a first generation of native Martians. This may be much more difficult than currently understood, since it may require that pregnant women spend at least some time in normal earth gravity. If this would be the case, then a fast, circulating train which creates artificial earth-like gravity might be a requirement. A Hyperloop and Boring Company'ish, solution, circulating one of the many Marsian craters is probably the best starting point to create this artificial / earth-like gravity and was discussed in one of the Mars Society conferences. You may be interested in having a look at the superb Wait but Why's analysis to further stimulate your thoughts on how Neuralink would enhance his mission. His interview with Joe Rogan is excellent and Ashley Vance's book Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future is one of my favourites. If you think that you might be a potential Mars addict/visionary/colonist, have a look at the National Geographic series "Mars", read the " Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson and everything by Robert Zubrin, the founder of the Mars Society. He has also proposed an excellent "Moon Direct" solution, in contrast with the NASA proposal, which is arguably worse than none at all, since it exposes astronauts to a huge amount of unnecessary radiation, limits the cargo volume to the moon, increases the costs and has no value whatsoever (like the SLS, more accurately referred to as the Senate Launch System. According to both Zubrin and Elon (and Gwynn, of course), " If you to go to Mars or the Moon, do that" Do not go to a Moon orbiting station, and do not do to Mars-orbiting moon (Deimos)
Ancient texts, like the Indian Mahabharata and the Mayan Popol Vuh, tell us that the Earth suffers from a cycle of seven natural disasters. Those disasters are causing massive floods, earthquakes, hurricanes and a bombardment of fiery meteors every few thousand years. The only possible natural cause of this cycle, can be a ninth planet in our solar system, orbiting our sun in an eccentric orbit. By the same event, the planet Mars is even more frequently bombarded with meteors. So Mars is certainly not a good shelter for a next civilization, after we have destroyed the Earth. On the Earth, these disasters create a cycle of civilizations. One of these civilizations lives more than 10,000 years and reaches a higher level of knowledge and skills than we have now. They will have visited the Moon and Mars and made constructions there. Their civilization ended 20,000 years ago because of the next recurring disaster. To learn much more about the cycle of civilizations, recurring floods, and ancient high technology, read the eBook:"Planet 9 = Nibiru". Search for: invisible nibiru 9
this makes sense but I think musk is more realistic than that. these could apply to many industries, including space, but not necessarily mars. I think musk knows that it's too big of a leap in his life time, there are more important and difficult things that he hasn't been working on that would be critical to mars colonization, including having political and legal backing to even do so in the first place. musk isn't even working on a nuclear-propulsion rocket (as far as anybody knows), which is more efficient, reusable, and can cut mars travel times by over 50%. we have a lot more steps to go before mars becomes feasible, and I think that musk is more savvy than putting all his eggs in that basket at the current moment. it would make much more sense for him to begin colonization experiments on the moon or even just a private space station, and he hasn't even mentioned either of these possibilities. musk talks about mars cause he knows it's exciting and stimulates people's imaginations, and nobody is even close to getting there so he has no competition to challenge his claims. this is one of his psychological tactics of getting people inspired and hypnotized into supporting his unrelated, irrelevant, and auxiliary projects. he's like the Donald trump of technology. think about it, he hasn't even made any tunnels for his boring co. project, WHICH WAS A FARCICAL PLOY TO BEGIN WITH. he literally started that company so he could sell tee shirts. you really think he's building some extensive tunnel network under LA with some untested and unverified mag-lev trolley system? let's get real please. musk openly admits that he only dug a few holes straight down into the ground in LA, and he hasn't informed the public (and neither has anyone in the huge city of LA noticed anything particular) of his ongoing project details. I'm not saying he's a conmen, but he is a business man and psychological manipulation is the fastest way to raise capital funds through investment.
I was wondering about "do-ability" concerning Musk's ambitions for Mars. I didn't realize that Musk's empire, on the whole, had ANYTHING to do with martian infra-structuring. Apparently, it DOES. Thank you, H.
Advanced AR and VR are also important for space travel and Mars habitation. An exoskelleton wouldn't weigh anything in space, and wouldn't have to take up much room. It would provide much-needed escapism by providing haptic feedback and body tracking in VR. A second application would be to conserve muscle mass, electric motors on the exoskelleton would provide resistance, even simulating Mars or Earth gravity for training purposes. So for entertainment, mental health and training advanced VR with exoskelleton would be the perfect.
using BFR (Starship) for transport around Mars is terrible idea. When going around Earth it uses aerobraking, on Mars it would have to use fuel both to gain speed and to brake. Furthermore I do not see why Mars colonies would have to be spread far around Mars surface. Maybe some smaller scientific missions will be further, but colonies would probably just stick together, making transport simpler to do just by rovers and tunnels, later hyperloop-class vehicles.
If you watch the unveiling of the Model Y he has a quip about Tesla on Mars by such and such date, 2029 I think. Remember Tesla's advertised Bioweapon Defense Mode on the Model X? Wouldn't that be a convenient little system to have while driving around on the surface of Mars?
Great video! Just a question, though, do you really think that solar energy is the thing to go with on Mars? Dust, dust storms (those can last for months!) and distance from the sun are three factors that must not be overlooked and in my opinion make the use of solar energy on mars unrealistic. Even the implementation of huge battery cells wouldn't compensate for these 3 things. Fission and fusion power make far more sense. Elon Musk is deeply concerned for our own planet too, and I think that Solar City's aim is towards preserving the climate.
I agreed with most of these points, but there were a few I felt were left out. Gravity on Mars is far different to Earth gravity, he addressed this fact only briefly at 12:30. Mars gravity is about 38% the strength of gravity on Earth. In reality, this fact would greatly impact transportation methods, on a scale larger that this video might imply. Lower atmospheric pressure may increase the difficulty of lifting a plane into the air, but the reduced gravity means less force pushing it back downwards. Again, I don't regard any of the points addressed by this video as incorrect, I merely believe it is just lacking in certain aspects of information...
What if we could make some magnetic bombs (just like nuclear bombs) that could create huge magnetic fields instead of explosions. We might jump start Mars's magnetic field. (I'm a physics major i know I'm fooling around just thought that would be cool)
Ahsan Shah what do you think of a superconducting cable wound around Mars like an electromagnet? The temperatures on the northern an southern latitudes would be cold enough for superconductors. The energy input would be low to nonexistent. A strong magnetic field could be setup just like on Earth but different way. Looking ahead to terraforming, the planet would warm up and superconductivity would cease, at least with today's technology. In the future room temperature superconductivity might solve that.
@@avid0g That would screen the astronauts from radiation and reduce the work needed for initial settlers on Mars. It would not protect the whole planet atmosphere from solar wind gradually blowing away the atmosphere but that could come later with superconductive cable winding round Mars.
@@grgmetube , @Ahsan Shah There is an energy cost involved in expanding the magnetic field induced by the DC current. That is, the conductor will have inductance. How much Energy to cover a habitat, a city, a nation, a world? Each superconductor has a practical current limit, so multiple conductors need to be installed roughly in parallel. Will the subsequent conductors require even more energy to energize? Will increasing the current in one reduce current in the others? How does one pump mega amperes of DC current into superconductors? As the current increases at the equator, the radiation level will drop near the conductors, but increase just beyond that protected zone.
@@avid0g If it is just 1 conductor but coiled, instead of many paralel, then increasing the current would increase it in the whole coil. That would ofcourse increase inductance when the current was initially set up. but inductive reactance (resistance to change of current in a conductor) decreases if the increase rate is slow enough. Once the current is established at correct level no more energy need be applied. Also the because the Suns magnetic field is at right angles to the coil and Mars is rotating it might be enough on its own to set up a strong current in the coil (the only problem though, to do this the coil needs to cut through the Suns magnetic field at right angles to the coil cable orientation and the Suns magnetic lines but has to also cut at right angle to the direction of current flow. The rotation would cut in same direction as current flow. So maybe no current induced by Sun, unless you also made the cable zigzag, but then you would get opposing voltage trying to make current from the zigzag going back in other direction. Maybe something like a diode in the zig or zag.) If there was a continuous voltage inducing a current from cutting the Suns magnetic lines, in a superconductor, there would be a continuously increasing current. I think I remember reading somewhere that there is a limit to the current in a superconductor, that when it is reached forces it from superconductivity to non superconductor. The diodes along with a tiny resistance could limit this current and there be no energy wasted anywhere else in the cable. I'm still not certain this scheme would work though, as the diode would be reverse biased with the same voltage as the zig from the diode in the zag. How would current flow? I think you would still have opposing voltage problem. Does anyone else see a solution?
Dont forget what his brother Kimbal is doing. Hes doing indoor food production.
That's interesting work for Mars too
Wow, I didn't know this. Aeroponic are IDEAL for food production on Mars, and farms are springing up accross the globe in the heart of cities as we speak..
but there has not been a single viable `biosphere` project on earth ! so not sure how Mars will work out.
@@MyKharli Just like PayPal, Musk's quasi-science technological companies are for one entity, his narcissistic, self-involved, technocratic, crony-capitalist, Trump election advising, monopolist self.
I place my faith in humanity, not the machinations of scientific method, politics, religion, business, society, etc. Why is it so hard for people to see these snake oil salesmen for what they are?
Musk is contaminating the solar system with bacteria and burning out his employees, making it impossible for real science institutions to find new life.
@@PeterKnagge Get a hobby.
And the flamethrowers are developed to fight with the Doom demons on Mars?
Exactly! We see what you're up to Musky boi!
just have to give them a bit more oomph, those imp demons can be nasty
@@Cydonius1 Now we're waiting for the Doomgys suit
@@trash4cash454 Yeah, I must say I don't like the Daft Punk style helmets anyway. The Doom guy helmet would be way cooler.
The flamethrowers are to roast the martian potatoes...
Hadnt looked at any of Musk's activitues as such but makes sense. Earth ia the perfect beta test site.
Elon...smartest guy in the room...on two planets!
You know, I anticipated his plans back in 2014 already. When I saw what he was doing, and of course he already stated he wanted to colonise Mars for the continued existence of the human race, if anything were to happen on earth (Large Asteroid impact for example), I immediately noticed they were all technologies that are essential for surviving and building a colony on Mars. Been scouring internet daily for news on Elon, ever since. He's my absolute hero.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 i agree. The guy is literally changing the world...while taking us to a new one!
@@christopherkincey-kamau4404 So far, none of his projects have achieved their respective goals. I wouldn't jump to conclusions too soon. Also, basically all of his ideas are somewhat stubborn attempts at getting old ideas to work, despite earlier attempts failing.
@@PHeMoX uh...he has a $35k ev that not only is the best in the world but is outselling all premium brands incl in germany no less.
He had a successful manned flight of a reuasable rocket...something NASA has never been able to do and did it at a fraction of the cist. Now most in intl space flight see that one event as the hinge which opens up a whole new space age for humanity, on which takes man to the moon, mars, and certainly beyond, over time.
He landed a $50 mil gig in Vegas just weeks after hus Biring tunnel demo...
He has set big auto, big oil, big media, and big investments on their ears with disruptive technologies that are making the wotld a better, cleaner place - dispite opposition's best effirts to prevent or delay this.
Dude us literally changing the world while taking us to new ones.
Did nothing?
What have you done for humanity my friend?
Mars doesn't even have a magnetosphere. Everything is highly radioactive. We are never going to live on Mars.
Paypal is gonna be a great way to pay for things on Mars
If I read Musk's intentions right, and taking into account his personality, there's won't be a need for money on Mars. Once there, you're taken care of in exchange for your contribution to the colony. And everything will be available for naught.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 ayyyy, communism!
no but seriously, a system like that just doesnt work with humans. it might for the first few years when there are only a couple of people who all know eachother, but at some point some people just wont do the needed work.
@@seyyyer Then he'll prbably find somewhere in the middle. And if you don't work, you're on the next starship back to earth. Fair=Fair, if you want to help build a colony on a strange planet you'd better have good motivation. Later when other groups settle, currency will become more common, that is inevitable
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 i dont think there will be starships back to earth for quite a while after the colony gets founded.
@@seyyyer musk stated it would be a ferry going back and forth continuously, as long as the aligment allows it
Hallelujah this is the first video that i have seen that has made all the connection to elon musk projects to a single giant goal.
So funny ... I'd just proposed this possibility to my family over the weekend ... and then two days later, this video shows up on my recommend list - -
@@lauriivey7801 I guess your FBI agent is doing a great job!
@@WataMalown Gads!! Don't tell me that - - next thing you know, I'll be hiding behind blackout curtains and eyeballing everyone that walks by! ;-)
I have been saying all these same thing for years, connect the dots. glad someone did a video about it :)
The weirdest thing is that I also thought of that yesterday after seeing the hyperloop. This is not going to work in cities because something like that (unless you makes it very expensive) will cause files because too many people want to use it, but on Mars?
You didn't mention bricks made when making tunnels, that can be used for buildings.
Buildings have to be air tight on mars. Bricks could maybe shield them from radiation and flying particles but could not be used as part of the main structure.
@@fortunefed8719 That's right. The European Space Agency is already looking at 3D printing bricks and mortar around moon habitats.
@@fortunefed8719 Ever heard of mortar? a few chases of brick on earth is airtight when built correctly and I suspect they would use what NASA has proposed for the moon. Namely using lasers to melt the silicate minerals in the soil into a sort of glass
Aka mining for resources.
Mj K i thought they want to 3D Print some kind of shields over the infrastructure that will be built on mars / moon
not enough O2 in Mars atmosphere for ICE car to work even if they have oil
Think deeper... The atmosphere there is rich in CO2. O2 is everywhere there- it just needs some plants to convert it to O2.
@@danielneukomm4097
you're nit picking and miss the point. even with factory to extract O2, the car would have to be heavily redesigned to carry O2 tanks and inject into engine. it's no longer a normal ICE car
@@rustygear447 You are absolutely correct- I did miss the point! My apologies.
@@danielneukomm4097 also the Martian atmosphere is like 0.01 atm so extracting co2 would take very long
Just the fact you'd have to carry the oxidant in addition to the fuel make it a much worse choice than just going electric since the two are _essentially_ on par with one another today, and electric is only get better.
earth is the proving ground and mars is the ultimate goal
ahahaha it will be 50 years , if ever, to send a humanoid to mars
@@crystalball020 probably musky guy
look at these stupid earthlings with their offline money
johnny llooddte 50 years is too long ;) try 20
The boring company boring machines are, as I understand it, electrically powered and are smaller than most boring machines - small enough to fit on a rocket. He's spent a lot of time with Tesla working out how to automate his factories. Again, a thing a colony would need.
He does seem to be missing extraction tech to be able to build things from mined elements on Mars, but otherwise, yes, he's got the tech blueprint down for living on Mars.
I think you're missing 1 thing... The tunnel boring machine is what would make habitation as well.
Without a good magnetosphere the surface radiation is too high so you'd need to live under several feet of Martian regolith to lessen the effect. So really we would live in a ton of underground tunnel homes connected by more tunnels. I don't think surface habitation would happen for many many years after we start colonizing. The idea of the surface dome would be really impractical for early colonies but once we have been there 20+ years I'm sure we will get there.
And there was a NASA or DARPA or whatever acronym competition to find ways to harvest lunar regolith then process it and such so the tech is being refined. we know some Vegetables can grow in Martian regolith albeit very slowly and small. My only thing I was not seeing was hydroponic farming systems under his businesses but apparently someone else in the Musk family is doing that now
What else can boring machine be used for? Mining for minerals, yes? And resulting material exiting the machine is already ground to dust, ready for processing.
@CommandoDude No we don't need sunlight, humans can get on fine without it. D-vitamins you can get from your diet or even a tanning bed. If you're thinking psychologically, by designing appropriate lighting, you can simulate Earth like day night cycles inside with no problem. Personally I rarely see the sun I can stay inside for weeks on end without leaving the house and have no issues...
Mars will obviously be expensive and they would use cheaper technologies in the beginning and then expand with more expensive technology to grow the colony with time. Colonizing Mars is not a vanity project, it's the new frontier that will really open up opportunities for a space economy. Jeff Bezos for example envisions a TRILLION people living around the solar system in the not too distant future, and he is/was the richest man on Earth... In the future, Earth it self will be a vanity project for planet chauvinists and will essentially be the central park/wildlife reserve of the solar system.
@CommandoDude 1. About the light:
I know all about ambient light as I have had a tendency to go to sleep as the sun rises, so I have blinds that block the light completely and a set of curtains on top to block any light that leaks in on the sides. I can see the light very clearly when it leaks through and the lights are out.
Now clarify what you mean close to the poles? I live close to the polar circle and know what the polar night is like. You don't have to be inside of the polar circles to experience their effects. I've grown up with winter where you wake up to complete darkness and go to school, then the day pass by and you go home again in complete darkness. In my later years it's even been easier to miss the few hours of light by sleeping through the days and spending all waking hours in darkness.
In my later years I started taking vitamin D supplements among others, and don't suffer from winter depression no more. Us northerners have evolved to survive it well a diet rich in fish helps a lot.
Now when it comes to sunlight, if it really was so critical (which I highly doubt) then there are tanning beds that give UV radiation, the very same radiation your skin use to produce vit D. When it comes to psychological aspect it's the blue light that helps regulate your circadian rythm. I know about this very intimately as it's the cause of me not sleeping at night. LEDs have no problem producing the light we see with our eyes (it's very likely they are in the screen you'll be reading this on). So when it comes to sunlight, we can produce it arteficial in any ammount we desire.
Another psychological problem may be with the closeness to and experience of nature, which the sun is a very intimate part of. Norwegians don't go to southern countries every year on Holliday for nothing. The warmth of the sun and the climate is appealing to lot's of people. However this is a very personal preference. With the advent of computers and online entertainment you have growing culture of people who could not care if the sun didn't rise tomorrow. I'm one of them and I don't need to see the sun. I have gone weeks and maybe months at times not seeing daylight and it hasen't bothered me one bit.
I'm pretty sure the higher suicide rates are due to higher parts of the population having low vitamin D levels. I personally have been able to maintain good levels through this winter. I just checked my vit D a week or two ago and they were exellent. Taking supplements have worked great for me and I'm certain I haven't received any UV from the sun.
So for certain people living in the north is very tolerable. There should be more than enough of us to populate Mars colonies. As it develops life will become easier there and any problems will be mitigated. It's likely though that Marsians and Earthers will develop and evolve into very different peoples. Different cultures and even different biologists. I think Marsians will have more of the prerequisites for living and working in space so over the centuries I bet space industries will become dominated by Marsians as Earthians will be less suited for space life and require more pampering and carefully designed space habitats. Im not talking end of century I'm talking by the end of the millennia.
@CommandoDude 2. About space economics:
I don't think you know all too much about futurism. Your knowledge is stuck in the past realities. Flying planes and driving trains are cheap in comparison because you don't have to scrap the planes and trains after one trip. In space launch industry it's been like that, but this is about to change. Fuel is not the driving cost of launch, the launch vehicle is. Costs are going to come down dramatically over the next decades.
Right now there won't be much profit to make in space, but that too will change. A single asteroid can hold more gold than we have access to here on Earth, it's the same for other valuable rear Earth minerals. Space mining is being worked on by real companies. China plans on building solar arrays in orbit that will beam power down to the power grid back on Earth. It's easy to piggy back off of that for using space energy for energy intensive manufacturing in space. As Bezos said it, move the dirty heavy industry off Earth to leave Earth as the a clean ble marble we all want it to remain. You're right that launching to and from space will be somewhat expensive, so we'll keep to the more valuable stuff to launch. To get the space economy really going we need customers in space to produce for. It's a chicken and egg problem, no people in space means no industry in space, which mean no people in space. This will be overcome sooner or later by the visionaries and others will follow. Mars is an important stepping stone for getting things going and building enthusiasm. Space tourism will be a key ingredient as well, as it will rise the demand for space habitats and human space transportation systems. When all these are established you will have a self reinforcing economy that will grow on it's own. Companies will operate space infrastructure to deliver services and resources to other companies who also operate there, all who will be employing and servicing both temporary and permanent growing populations. Some industry will take place in Earth orbit, some on the Moon, some on/around Mars and some as far out as the asteroid belt. It will probably take until the end of this century and beyond before we see all this taking place, but it is definitively not unfeasible. You may have misunderstood me about Bezos trillion population figure, as I think that would be at least a thousand years in the future, but it's a vision to work towards.
"If we find oil on Mars" Id just like to point out that oil comes from the decomposition of organic organisms from a very very long time ago. If we find oil on Mars, that assumes there was once life on Mars and a lot of it.
PK Wadsworth Weird how almost no one else pointed this out :))) Imagine driving a car that uses old extraterestial decomposed matter
Musk is simultaneously focussed on Mars and Earth. He tries to build things that can be useful for both.
He thinks more laterally than us I’m sure... Mars is a good positive goal to strive for, that motivates us to build solutions for living in inhospitable environments, and to research ways of growing food and recycling the air. Which maybe will be useful on earth too.
So yes his Earthly goals are to help Mars... but that’s also to eventually come back and help Earth.
Wish the world would invest in him, move out of his way and let him do his thing
Yes good points because maybe if we trigger runaway global warming we may need to put more infrastructure underground to protect it from super storms and people underground to protect us from excessive heatwaves.
Loved by the inspired, hated by the jealous.
You got that right.
And Matt Damon already has experience growing potatoes on Mars. Future looks promising
Hahaha!!! Funniest comment I've read in a while
Just came across your channel and love it! Please keep up the good work!!!
The BFR is technically the Big Falcon Rocket, but we all know what it really stands for.
Angus Uchiha 😂 Big Fuckin Rocket 🚀
When Mars is colonized would it be under any country’s control? Because if not it’s the perfect time to make a new government and and improve one
The presenter sounds like a young Admiral Ackbar.
Lmao
I never bothered to put Musk's projects together into a bigger picture, but I do believe your hypothesis is correct. The pieces fall into place too perfectly!
The diameter of starship is 30 feet. The boring company tunneling machine is 28 feet. I dont think this is a coincidence.
Original BFR in 2016 was 12 M or 39.37 ft. Recently Musk said he would skip that, for an 18 M or 59 ft. Should fit :) from what I have read, Musk is thinking a capability to produce BFR's in several versions to the 1000's... so perhaps doubling the size may not be a problem. As well, now that the Cybertruck has been pronounced as being built for Mars, I'm sure the early years won't be needing a large diameter tunnel, so build something smaller ;) There is always a way in engineering, if you don't break the laws of physics... And I'm sure Musk knows that thoroughly...
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Nevermind the fact that an internal combustion engine wouldn't even function in the Martian atmosphere.
That’s an easy fix
And of course Teslaquila for something to drink.
I've been certain this is his strategy for months now. It all adds up. As soon as I saw the Boring company and what they were doing, I immediately saw how it could be utilised on mars and the moon. Not only to make the tunnels to connect habitats, but also using the boring device to hollow out the actual habitats themselves and with the rock and material that is excavated, it will be refined into building materials from which alot of things can be made. I didnt realise that his brother has been working on indoor food production, but that one of the biggest missing pieces of the puzzle accounted for.
You are sooooo correct with your Idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wind (Scott Maningly talked about it)
and nuclear are viable for mars, solar suffers from the increased distance from the sun but is still good to have
As you go underground surface waves travel around you during a seismic event. This is why nuclear, and earthquake shelters are built underground...
Also, isn't Mars tectonically dead? Much unlike earth
"Some experts believe this giant (BFR) has almost no purpose out side Mars).You do realize we expect a large LEO space station. Moon base and all the equipment to start an asteroid capture and mining industry in the next 10 years. A hyper heavy lift rocket is going to be required for every single one of those projects and many more... I'm just saying, it's hardly only a Mars mission machine man.
ahahahahhaha ..lets see.. 10 million an ounce mined ahahahahaha
@@johnnyllooddte3415 I hope you're just trolling. Obviously the point is to establish the infrastructure so they don't need to continue sending materials up by rocket. Once that's in place, there's a lot we can build up there more easily than on earth b/c of the low gravity.
@@johnnyllooddte3415 Nope! Payload costs to GTO on a Falcon 9 are about 9091 dollars per kilogram (or 257.7 dollars per ounce) with a reused rocket. Of course the equipment itself is going to cost more money, and you would lose some efficiency getting it beyond Earth orbit, and that is only for the equipment put into space rather than the amount of material you can extract from it, but even with all of that you need to be 35,805 times less efficient than launching free mass to geostationary transfer orbit on an already flown Falcon 9 being reused. That's actually really really unrealistically high.
If your equipment can mine and return as much as it weighs, and let's say it costs as much as the rocket launching it, then factoring in the additional inefficiency of getting to a near-Earth-asteroid, then you're probably looking at the cost increasing somewhere between 2-3 times as much as the cost per ounce to GTO. That's 515.4 to 773.1 dollars per ounce; a far cry from 10,000,000. And that's ignoring the cost to orbit dropping as the superheavy reusable methalox rockets come online in the next few years, as well as the ability to convert the materials in space into more equipment, and the ability to keep using your equipment in space.
People really seem to think that space is more expensive than it actually is for some reason...
Wind power is actually not as effected by air pressure as you would think. In the equations, wind speed is much more important. Even though the Martian atmosphere is >.1 atmospheres the wind speed can regularly reach 60mph. Scott Manley has a really good video about this.
The reduced gravity also aids in erecting taller structures. But the dust erosion must be a big problem. The protective coating will need to be quite hard.
Like. Interesting point of view)
oh my god. this totally hits the nail on the head. I could never understand the point of hyperloop, but for mars it makes absolute sense. just like everything else. :O
Well It'll be better than getting stuck in traffic. There was a plan for Amtrak to build a high speed rail line that would cost 135 billion dollars from D.C. to Boston, MA. Just to save 15 minutes. Taking land and properties by eminent domain. Separating neighborhoods and ruining the fabric of communities. For that price I prefer Hyper Loop that is heck a lot faster and quicker to your destinations.
I don't know that it really does make sense. As the video says, most of the work is already done for you because of the of the thin atmosphere. Why even bother with a vacuum tube when you're practically already in vacuum anyway?
That said.. building a large scale depressurized tunnel construction on a world with high atmospheric pressure could possibly tell you quite a bit about what's needed to build a large scale pressurized tunnel construction on a low pressure world.
no one is going to build a hyperloop on mars. since the atmosphere on Mars much less dense, you could just build regular trains and have the same effect of a vacuum tube.
Humankind on two planets? What an exciting concept! If this works out Elon should be president of mars. 🤗
The correct title for leader of Mars is The Elon.
@@redpillcoach1855 WvB Mars Project 1949, ;) Peace
Where can i apply for martian Passport?
That was a very good analysis, thanks for sharing.
Neuralink will help people from going insane during the long journey
I think it would be great to be able to plug in directly to the cloud
It's 4-6 months, hardly worse than european colonial voyages which had markedly worse conditions.
Did you know that you are safer underground rather than above ground during an earthquake? The fears about the tunnels in California are baseless
Disagree. What if rubble blocks the entrances and the ventilation shuts down?
@@theexplosionist2019 well then you can be rescued, at least you are much less likely the be killed by rubble collapsing on to you
In fact, I have been saying this for about a year and a half :)
I like the way you think!
John Boen that s right damn the torpedoes full bullshit ahead
Inter-continental travel by rockets is "utter nonsense"?!?!? Travel time will be cut down to three hours. The impact on the travel undustry will be immense. I am positive that flight will be competitive .
True but something as brute as the Starship and booster, will not be allowed to Launch from Everywhere. I'm guessing platforms way out at sea will be the only option, if those things are going to launch and land a few times a day. Imagine the noise those engines make and the sonic booms on re-entry, noone wants to live in that constantly. So unless you have a chopper to take you directly there from home, you'll probably end up taking just as long as a normal long distance plane flight.
Three hours? Try 45 minutes for most flights, plus the commute to and from a sea-based space port around 30 miles from urban zones.
Love the video. Never thought about what Musk is doing in that way. Musk will
be one of those people talked about in history books in 1000 years time. He really is a great mind of today
This was a great watch, its well thought out and put together so I'm subbing. Look forward to more
Elon has said many times he wants to go to Mars so I have thought it normal that whatever he does he can easily extrapolate to use on Mars. Electric vehicles, high speed transportation, city to city rocket travel, massive battery storage, solar roofs .. all would work on Mars.
I think this is a topic of the video)
You first,crawl,stand, walk, fly. He never made a secret out of going to Mars.
I've been saying the exact same thing for a while. And also, when I saw the size of the Boring company's tunnel machines and resulting tunnels, I realized that its within the diameter of the FSH and Starship cargo vessel variant. Underground on Mars (and the moon) is the best place for radiation shielding. And tunnelling and boring machines are necessary for resource extraction and mining. Tesla provides drive motor and vehicle knowhow along with battery tech. Solar City provides solar power. Starlink, as you pointed out, provides communication and geolocation. And to deal with biological enhancement and provide BCI for telepresense control of robots... Neurallink.
Still... after putting all this together, I don't think I'd volunteer to be one of Elon Musk's colonists. The picture being painted for someone who can just barely scrape together the funds to move to Mars... it doesn't bode well for the kind of labor and work they'll have to do when they get there to earn their keep.
For me, I'd rather live in an orbital built to spec and sourced from lunar and asteroid material and constructed in space. We should be able to build those with rotating 1g rings providing hundreds of square miles of interior surface area for cheap with access to space resources and use telepresense from earth along with automation to do everything but put the biosphere on board. We can probably even get O2 and water from the moon in sufficient quantities to build millions of these stations holding between 10k and 100k people. Better than being a slave on mars.
Paul Vance The first thing I noticed when I first saw a boring machine, that thing fits inside the BFR
So what you're saying is, modes of transport are important no matter what planet you're on? In fact, most things anyone does on Earth need some kind of proxy on Mars.
You can take pretty much anything he's involved in and say it's for Mars, aside from his Not-A-Flamethrower....... Ok, if it turns out there are angry sandworms on that need to be torched, I'll believe your theory
I've thought this for a long time. Tunnels and solar power... Both will ABSOLUTELY be needed in Mars. And at a much higher technological level then they are now. Along with better satellites.
Except that solar will only be one third as effective on Mars as it is on Earth due to the distance from the sun (there is more ray divergence). Plus there are sand storms that can cover the entire planet form months every 10 or so years. Nuclear is a far better method for power. This is why the curiosity rover used nuclear instead of solar like it's 2 predecessors.
@@Skylancer727 I say go with Nuclear and Solar. It's good to have a backup if one power source fails, especially if you're living on another planet far, far away from Earth. Tesla's battery storage would also be useful in emergencies.
How again are we supposed to not die from muscle atrophy?
it shouldnt be too bad, since the people going there will mostlikely stay.
Unfortunately we have no idea. We are just kinda hoping it isn't as big a deal as we think it is and that Mars has enough gravity for it to not be a problem for colonization. If it is, well I guess we are stuck with Earth till we can build O-Neil Cylinders.
Don't know for sure. Not yet at least. All of our medical data relating to gravity effects on humans is either 1g, or 0g, and almost no in between (Lunar gravity, 0.16g). Mars at 0.38g could either be fine for us, or too low to be acceptable. But again, we don't know. I'm hoping the first Mars missions take their time to do full medical studies on people before they send colonists en masse.
@@davidk1308 that's the idea. If it is truly impossible for humans to live on Mars normally, we will need to develop spinning habitats as to add extra gravity effects on the body. Or we could just skip Mars and just build O'Neil Cylinders but that's a decent ways off yet.
@@Skylancer727 If Mars gravity proves too low would it be compensated by some sort of heavy clothing materials. Maybe like chain mail armour, enough of to make people think they were under Earths gravity. This type of clothing could maybe shield against cosmic rays too.
its name isnt BFR anymore it now known as Starship + super heavy
Yes, but why?
I found Big F... Rocket better 🙊
It will always be the Big Farking Rocket to me
Oh there’s another Musk development for Mars. Massive, obvious, and yet unnoticed. :)
Gigafactories. Raw material in one end, then cars, solar and batteries out the other end. Running on solar. Not a bad idea for Mars. He’s practicing.
A massively automated production line too. So automated that it might even be possible to have some lines unpressurised.
I tought most of his ideas except spacex and tesla, Was just bad ideas until i watched this video and realised that everything elon musk make is designed for mars.
Look into NASAs killapower it's basically a all in one power plant. It uses Sterling Engines.
Mars habitats need more than kilowatts. I expect liquid Fluoride Salt reactors, like Thorium fusion reactors are needed.
Caution. Elon Musk is just one lab accident away from being a super villain. Have you seen a photo of his mother?
Yeah, and we are the same age. Coincidence? I hope not :D She even knits and crotchets, while still being a model, and really interesting.
If there was oil on mars the US would have been there long ago.
Considering in which direction our society is developing... Who can judge musk for jumping to another planet?
Interesting video. I think that's a long term plan. Maybe not so direct as in the video but it is real
SpaceX has plans on putting people on Mars in 10 years.
it is direct if you think of it deeply. i thought of it way back. everything Elon does. is just soo good for Mars, we forgot as well he has put money in house 3d printing.
@@andyjk5974 Any 3D PRINTING of large habitats for MARS that can be shipped by BFR? Also remotely controlled or SO controlled software to run, design, and Build these large habitats?
No secret Elon has always been singularly focused on making humanity a multi-planetary species -I also believe that to be essential for our survival as a species -among other things
People who are not interestefd in this kind of stuff really are oblivious of the important stuff happening. They'd Rather watch Pewdiepie ;')
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334In reality this is the same nonsense . Until I see a working biosphere project on earth I think people have very rosy tinted specs on . The same people who say they would go to mars in fact do not lock themselves up in a bus for six months to arrive at there bedroom where they have to stay for maybe two years with the odd walk out hoping everything works ok to find a load of dust , While here on earth there are still tons of mysteries which I bet there not out searching for . Basically we are chimps with guns and good imaginations. Still hope I am wrong !
You missed something about Starlink - It's laser intercommunication is also being designed to pick up optical communications from the red planet. It's not just a money maker and a way to share data on mars, it also does the job of a deep space communications system by receiving incoming calls.
Michael Arndt Limited to the speed of light in a vacuum, the fastest possible time of communication between earth and mars (that’s when the 2 planets are the closest to eachother) is no less than 3 minutes. So a call would be really dumb due to the huge delay, but sending messages or any other form of data other the a live call is very effective
max security prison , who else would want to spend their life in a box underground hoping the airlock seals are good !
probably tens or hundreds of thousands of people
A space colony doesn't need to be small and cramped. Depending on the layout, it could be a large city, just, you know, self-contained. But far from a prison. Yeah, we need a lot more studies and research on self-sustaining biospheres, but that could be done alongside building up a Mars base. Once we have the kinks ironed out, we'll be free to expand. But I don't know how long that would take.
@@davidk1308 the first base will most definetly feel like a prison, since it'll probably be build underground.
Most of this, except hyperloop is reasonable. Hyperloop is far too delicate and sensitive to be safe for any colony. It'd be safer and cheaper to just do uncrewed maglev and keep crew transports relatively slow.
Olso the electric vertical take of, hipersonic plane ho elon talks abaud will be posible to use on mars i tink
This is why I'm going to become and aeronautical engineer and apply at SpaceX
"If we do it will be a truly epic discovery" 5:15
If we do find oil on mars, we won't need Elon Musk and the Starship,
The Americans will be there in 12 months.
-6 months the journey
-6 months to prepare a vessel capable of transporting up to 500 troops, supplies, ammo, tanks, mobile bases, and heavy oil extracting machines, also train everyone, plan the whole thing, get it in and out of congress, do test-flights, and develop all the new technologies required for that to happen.
Robert, aren't you just replacing unobtainium with crude oil?
We dont even know if people can survife/reproduce in marsian gravity so this is nothing but clickbait
It's true we dont know the long term consequences of low gravity, but why should that invalidate this guys theory?
@@sebasfavaron because claiming billion dollar projects are for mars when we dont even know if we Can Go there is kind of pointless? 100% speculation with 0 prove is just clickbait
@@4Methylendioxy Because he stated they were for mars? What else do you want
This is actually a great video, I’m glad I stumbled across it in my suggested.
tunnels are safer during earthquakes than being on the surface. its like being in a submarine during a storm. do your research bro
He didn't technically didn't smoke because he didn't inhale the smoke
Mr. Musk has humorously approached a difficult task. It's refreshing to see & watch a space project series unfolding before my eyes and feet that I am part of the whole whooping thing that is going on, even as an observer.
We need to advance and perfect nuclear for serious colonization and even serious exploration of our solar system. Nuclear is many orders of magnitude more energy dense than any other form of energy.
How is it a theory he’s made it clear that’s what he wants
Living underground would be the best solution on Mars. I do not think we should write off Venus.
The surface of Venus is hot enough to literally melt itself. We're not going to be spending any significant time there. The atmospheric pressure also makes for some serious concerns when it comes to getting on and off the planet. Ever try a manned mission to Eve in Kerbal Space Program? There's a reason it's considered one of the greatest challenges the game has to offer.
Some people have considered what amounts to flying dirigible cities in the "habitable" zone of Venus's atmosphere.. but the effort required to make that happen would just be nuts. Ultimately, why? What does that gain you? You may as well just stay on a space station in orbit.
Musk brothers could become the owners of Mars in practice
Elon Musk confirmed a Martian
You totally forgot that there's not enough oxygen for internal combustion.
On Mars single-stage to orbit works great. The Starship is in fact designed for it, no need for a booster. About nuclear power: It works great on submarines, and the Russians are making nuclear powered ice-breaker ships as we speak. It could absolutely be doable with modern tech. And safe.
This clicked for me recently. True. Combustion engines don't work on mars. Tunnels and underground life is required to be safe from radiation.
Why do you think the pressure in the hyperloop tunnels is exactly 1% of normal atmospheric? ---> Mars surface pressure ;) that was the dead giveaway from the start.
I loved the connections you made. I loved how you present them too.
Musk isn't even supporting hyperloop anymore...
Great video!!! Definitely it looks like connected dots. All make sense now
What would be the point of discovering oil on Mars? You couldn't run a gasoline engine on a planet with no oxygen...
Steffen Scheibler yea I thought the same, hope it was a Joke I didn’t get
It would confirm that there was a SIGNIFICANT amout of life on Mars at some point.
Man, I can't wait for Martian dune buggy canyon racing, that's going to be epic. Aside from all that, great video! I really enjoyed the calm and logical presentation.
CockatooDude image the acceleration as the gravity is less than earth do whatever your hot rod Dynos out here and the percentage more of the difference in gravity =. big huge doubles way no trouble .. whoops double in a double times to the 40 millionth square out
@@donniebaker5984 Imagine it in a hyped up Cybertruck vs 3...
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how can musk see the future?
Space X gets u there. Tesla drives you around. Solarcity powers your bases. Powerwalls store your power. Boring digs your living spaces. Kimbal grows your food. Flamethrowers for defence ;). seems like some pretty straight forward connection of dots to me.
electric vehicles, solar power, state of the art batteries, indoor food production.......yeah, I would say his projects are ripe to be tested on mars...and discovery of mars secrets that are yet to be found.
Gas can be made from the atmosphere mars, very easily actually.
Huh... never though of that..
It may be all about the dow like everything else but so far he's outdone himself and I love it / ''don't buy this flame thrower'' reversed psychology :)))))
Mr. Musk is a visionary who combines Tesla, the Wrights, Billy Mitchell, Rickenbacker. Howard Hughes. And Frank Zappa. Smoking dope on camera was not his best moment. I wonder what brand he smokes. Maybe we should find out and send some to the folks that run NASA! Or give NASA to Mr. Musk and let him run it. I wonder how much he would charge? With a budget the size of NASA's he could colonize the whole solar system! After Mars I recommend that the second place we colonize is California.
Excellent. There is a huge amount of Elon related information supporting your thesis, and I, for one, am both certain that you are correct and support his vision, maybe especially because it is so incredibly difficult to achieve. The key to growing the Martian world is a one-way emigration and the procreating a first generation of native Martians. This may be much more difficult than currently understood, since it may require that pregnant women spend at least some time in normal earth gravity. If this would be the case, then a fast, circulating train which creates artificial earth-like gravity might be a requirement. A Hyperloop and Boring Company'ish, solution, circulating one of the many Marsian craters is probably the best starting point to create this artificial / earth-like gravity and was discussed in one of the Mars Society conferences. You may be interested in having a look at the superb Wait but Why's analysis to further stimulate your thoughts on how Neuralink would enhance his mission. His interview with Joe Rogan is excellent and Ashley Vance's book Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future is one of my favourites. If you think that you might be a potential Mars addict/visionary/colonist, have a look at the National Geographic series "Mars", read the " Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson and everything by Robert Zubrin, the founder of the Mars Society. He has also proposed an excellent "Moon Direct" solution, in contrast with the NASA proposal, which is arguably worse than none at all, since it exposes astronauts to a huge amount of unnecessary radiation, limits the cargo volume to the moon, increases the costs and has no value whatsoever (like the SLS, more accurately referred to as the Senate Launch System. According to both Zubrin and Elon (and Gwynn, of course), " If you to go to Mars or the Moon, do that" Do not go to a Moon orbiting station, and do not do to Mars-orbiting moon (Deimos)
Ancient texts, like the Indian Mahabharata and the Mayan Popol Vuh, tell us that the Earth suffers from a cycle of seven natural disasters. Those disasters are causing massive floods, earthquakes, hurricanes and a bombardment of fiery meteors every few thousand years. The only possible natural cause of this cycle, can be a ninth planet in our solar system, orbiting our sun in an eccentric orbit. By the same event, the planet Mars is even more frequently bombarded with meteors. So Mars is certainly not a good shelter for a next civilization, after we have destroyed the Earth. On the Earth, these disasters create a cycle of civilizations. One of these civilizations lives more than 10,000 years and reaches a higher level of knowledge and skills than we have now. They will have visited the Moon and Mars and made constructions there. Their civilization ended 20,000 years ago because of the next recurring disaster. To learn much more about the cycle of civilizations, recurring floods, and ancient high technology, read the eBook:"Planet 9 = Nibiru". Search for: invisible nibiru 9
this makes sense but I think musk is more realistic than that. these could apply to many industries, including space, but not necessarily mars. I think musk knows that it's too big of a leap in his life time, there are more important and difficult things that he hasn't been working on that would be critical to mars colonization, including having political and legal backing to even do so in the first place. musk isn't even working on a nuclear-propulsion rocket (as far as anybody knows), which is more efficient, reusable, and can cut mars travel times by over 50%. we have a lot more steps to go before mars becomes feasible, and I think that musk is more savvy than putting all his eggs in that basket at the current moment. it would make much more sense for him to begin colonization experiments on the moon or even just a private space station, and he hasn't even mentioned either of these possibilities. musk talks about mars cause he knows it's exciting and stimulates people's imaginations, and nobody is even close to getting there so he has no competition to challenge his claims. this is one of his psychological tactics of getting people inspired and hypnotized into supporting his unrelated, irrelevant, and auxiliary projects. he's like the Donald trump of technology. think about it, he hasn't even made any tunnels for his boring co. project, WHICH WAS A FARCICAL PLOY TO BEGIN WITH. he literally started that company so he could sell tee shirts. you really think he's building some extensive tunnel network under LA with some untested and unverified mag-lev trolley system? let's get real please. musk openly admits that he only dug a few holes straight down into the ground in LA, and he hasn't informed the public (and neither has anyone in the huge city of LA noticed anything particular) of his ongoing project details. I'm not saying he's a conmen, but he is a business man and psychological manipulation is the fastest way to raise capital funds through investment.
I was wondering about "do-ability" concerning Musk's ambitions for Mars. I didn't realize that Musk's empire, on the whole, had ANYTHING to do with martian infra-structuring. Apparently, it DOES. Thank you, H.
Advanced AR and VR are also important for space travel and Mars habitation. An exoskelleton wouldn't weigh anything in space, and wouldn't have to take up much room. It would provide much-needed escapism by providing haptic feedback and body tracking in VR. A second application would be to conserve muscle mass, electric motors on the exoskelleton would provide resistance, even simulating Mars or Earth gravity for training purposes. So for entertainment, mental health and training advanced VR with exoskelleton would be the perfect.
using BFR (Starship) for transport around Mars is terrible idea. When going around Earth it uses aerobraking, on Mars it would have to use fuel both to gain speed and to brake.
Furthermore I do not see why Mars colonies would have to be spread far around Mars surface. Maybe some smaller scientific missions will be further, but colonies would probably just stick together, making transport simpler to do just by rovers and tunnels, later hyperloop-class vehicles.
If I smoke a joint will any of this sound like a good idea ?
It's worth a shot
Get real - If we go to Mars it will not be until 2040.
But we will
What about Neuralink?! Could that be used to treat psychological conditions in space flight long-term? Treat space madness with a neural lace?
Honestly spacetravel is probably gonna be better than living working and dying on Mars...
If you watch the unveiling of the Model Y he has a quip about Tesla on Mars by such and such date, 2029 I think. Remember Tesla's advertised Bioweapon Defense Mode on the Model X? Wouldn't that be a convenient little system to have while driving around on the surface of Mars?
Great video! Just a question, though, do you really think that solar energy is the thing to go with on Mars? Dust, dust storms (those can last for months!) and distance from the sun are three factors that must not be overlooked and in my opinion make the use of solar energy on mars unrealistic. Even the implementation of huge battery cells wouldn't compensate for these 3 things. Fission and fusion power make far more sense. Elon Musk is deeply concerned for our own planet too, and I think that Solar City's aim is towards preserving the climate.
I agreed with most of these points, but there were a few I felt were left out. Gravity on Mars is far different to Earth gravity, he addressed this fact only briefly at 12:30. Mars gravity is about 38% the strength of gravity on Earth. In reality, this fact would greatly impact transportation methods, on a scale larger that this video might imply. Lower atmospheric pressure may increase the difficulty of lifting a plane into the air, but the reduced gravity means less force pushing it back downwards. Again, I don't regard any of the points addressed by this video as incorrect, I merely believe it is just lacking in certain aspects of information...
What if we could make some magnetic bombs (just like nuclear bombs) that could create huge magnetic fields instead of explosions. We might jump start Mars's magnetic field. (I'm a physics major i know I'm fooling around just thought that would be cool)
Ahsan Shah what do you think of a superconducting cable wound around Mars like an electromagnet? The temperatures on the northern an southern latitudes would be cold enough for superconductors. The energy input would be low to nonexistent. A strong magnetic field could be setup just like on Earth but different way. Looking ahead to terraforming, the planet would warm up and superconductivity would cease, at least with today's technology. In the future room temperature superconductivity might solve that.
@@grgmetube
You could start with a super conductor rings near the habitats.
@@avid0g That would screen the astronauts from radiation and reduce the work needed for initial settlers on Mars. It would not protect the whole planet atmosphere from solar wind gradually blowing away the atmosphere but that could come later with superconductive cable winding round Mars.
@@grgmetube , @Ahsan Shah
There is an energy cost involved in expanding the magnetic field induced by the DC current. That is, the conductor will have inductance. How much Energy to cover a habitat, a city, a nation, a world? Each superconductor has a practical current limit, so multiple conductors need to be installed roughly in parallel. Will the subsequent conductors require even more energy to energize? Will increasing the current in one reduce current in the others? How does one pump mega amperes of DC current into superconductors?
As the current increases at the equator, the radiation level will drop near the conductors, but increase just beyond that protected zone.
@@avid0g If it is just 1 conductor but coiled, instead of many paralel, then increasing the current would increase it in the whole coil. That would ofcourse increase inductance when the current was initially set up. but inductive reactance (resistance to change of current in a conductor) decreases if the increase rate is slow enough. Once the current is established at correct level no more energy need be applied. Also the because the Suns magnetic field is at right angles to the coil and Mars is rotating it might be enough on its own to set up a strong current in the coil (the only problem though, to do this the coil needs to cut through the Suns magnetic field at right angles to the coil cable orientation and the Suns magnetic lines but has to also cut at right angle to the direction of current flow. The rotation would cut in same direction as current flow. So maybe no current induced by Sun, unless you also made the cable zigzag, but then you would get opposing voltage trying to make current from the zigzag going back in other direction. Maybe something like a diode in the zig or zag.) If there was a continuous voltage inducing a current from cutting the Suns magnetic lines, in a superconductor, there would be a continuously increasing current. I think I remember reading somewhere that there is a limit to the current in a superconductor, that when it is reached forces it from superconductivity to non superconductor. The diodes along with a tiny resistance could limit this current and there be no energy wasted anywhere else in the cable. I'm still not certain this scheme would work though, as the diode would be reverse biased with the same voltage as the zig from the diode in the zag. How would current flow? I think you would still have opposing voltage problem. Does anyone else see a solution?