BIG Problem With Milwaukee's USA Made Hand Tools (THEY'RE LYING)
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2022
- BIG Problem With Milwaukee's USA Made Hand Tools (THEY'RE LYING) Milwaukee tool has a brand new factory where they're making these new hand tools in the USA:
Cutting Pliers (USA)
9" Lineman's Dipped Grip Pliers (USA) MT500
9" Lineman's Dipped Grip Pliers w/ Crimper & Bolt Cutter (USA) MT500C
9" Lineman's Dipped Grip Pliers w/ Thread Cleaner (USA) MT500T
8" Long Nose Dipped Grip Pliers (USA) MT505
6" Diagonal Dipped Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT506
7" Diagonal Dipped Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT507
8" Diagonal Dipped Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT508
9" Lineman's Comfort Grip Pliers (USA) MT550
9" Lineman's Comfort Grip Pliers w/ Crimper and Bolt Cutter (USA) MT550C
9" Lineman's Comfort Grip Pliers with Thread Cleaner (USA) MT550T
8" Long Nose Comfort Grip Pliers (USA) MT555
6" Diagonal Comfort Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT556
7" Diagonal Comfort Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT557
8" Diagonal Comfort Grip Cutting Pliers (USA) MT558
Screwdrivers (USA)
4PC Cushion Grip Screwdriver Set (USA) MT200-4
Includes: MT207, MT212, MT202, MT206
6PC Cushion Grip Screwdriver Set (USA) MT200-6
Includes: MT203, MT212, MT207, MT202, MT206, MT201
#1 Phillips 3" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT201
#2 Phillips 4" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT202
#3 Phillips 6" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT203
#2 Phillips 10" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT204
#2 Phillips 6" Cushion Grip Demolition Screwdriver (USA) MT205
1/4" Slotted 4" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT206
5/16" Slotted 6" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT207
5/16" Slotted 6" Cushion Grip Demolition Screwdriver (USA) MT208
3/8" Slotted 8" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT209
3/8" Slotted 8" Cushion Grip Demolition Screwdriver (USA) MT210
3/16" Cabinet 3" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT211
3/16" Cabinet 6" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT212
3/16" Cabinet 8" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT213
1/4" Cabinet 10" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT214
#1 ECX 4" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT215
#2 ECX 4" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT216
#1 Square 3" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT217
#2 Square 4" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT218
#3 Square 6" Cushion Grip Screwdriver (USA) MT219
Only problem is they lied to us during their pipeline 2022 demonstrations about their new made in the USA hand tools.
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Huh...what? People need to be told this? I would even change the word "always" to "ever" in your statement.
I was an aircraft mechanic in them USAF for 14 years when I got hurt. The AF put me in charge of tool purchase, and I was sent to several large tool shows directed to the military. I looked at all the manufacturers and also saw some of the outrageous claims made by the salespeople. As a master mechanic I asked to try the product, but most were reluctant to let me try because of "liability" issues. I will say that Snap On was the most open to suggestions and when I asked them if they could design a drawer handle end plug that was round they asked why and I explained that the handles stuck out just enough to snag our BDU's and rip them they listened. I later ordered 24 "taco wagon " tool boxes for the hangars and they came with the rounded ends. The vice president that was at the show offered me a job in design and I declined but was impressed to see they really listened to customers. Glad you challenged them, love your videos!
Wow what a cool story! A job offer even, that's incredible. Great job, thanks for sharing, and thanks for your service!
Yeah more companies definitely need to take this approach. Especially the failing car companies.
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Cool story!
How long ago was this experience you had with Snap On?
That first Milwaukee employee answering questions about heat induction lasers. He is awesome. You can see he's so passionate about what he does about their products about how they do it. That's the kind of employee you want. That dude just loves what he does and he loves talking about it and he's so proud of it. That's the ultimate culture you want to create in a company.
I agree “Mike” is an asset to Milwaukee Tool in my opinion!
Yeah I’m with you but ultimately he is a sales team guy. He says what they want him to say. The product might be good, but he is right when he says they are trying too hard here. They are over-selling something that should just stand in its own.
American tool manufacturers are seemingly in a competition to see who can make tools as utterly shitty as China. As a lineman we mostly use Klein as our go-to hand tool while Milwaukee is generally the power tool side. That being said, tools are no longer being manufactured to last or have consistency. From one pair of 9's to the next it's a coin toss. 🤷🏽♂️
Lies always sounds amazing !!!!
Yea I'm pretty sure he sits in one of many cubicles
I live 15 miles from this plant.. and watched it be built from the ground breaking.. I worked right across the street.
They are still doing a massive hiring event.
I seriously hope they get the help they are needing.. regardless of how we feel about their tools,, they ARE hiring workers.. VERY much needed here in Wisconsin.
Hope these high paid employees and inflation keeps them in business.
i went back to work in2020 being a concrete guy we have jobs in wisconsin folks are just using the system
You need people to want to have a job first.
How much is their starting wage? And what is their wage ceiling?
If Wisconsin needs business so bad , why is Milwaukee Tool having to beat the bushes to find workers?
I am going to be honest. I happy to see hand tools are starting to be made again in the USA. I still have my Craftsman Screwdrivers and without remorse- bought some more craftsman Screwdrivers before they disappeared to China Manufacuring. Yes, that has been some time ago. I just recently bought the anniversary set of Klein tools made in the USA- 4th of July promo, I think. My hats off to Milwaukee in doing this and hope they can deliver what they promise or even a partial delivery will be nice. Also, Craftsman is all doing or going to the same thing. Damn, it is great to have some manufacturing come back to the USA for a change. The country needs more.
I as well have old craftsman hand and power tools. Won’t part with them. New stuff made in Chinnnnaaa and is junk like everything else there.
Bring back to the USA.
I still shop garage sales and flea markets for older tools. Made in the USA.
Why does it matter where tools are manufactured? If they are made with the same materials does it matter where they are put together? USA made with Chinese materials or China made with USA materials? I’m not trying to be snarky or rude. I’m sincerely asking for opinions and point of views.
@@cesarmoore7996 I would rather keep my neighbors in the USA employed rather than supporting communist China, where part of the profits go to the military from all major businesses.
Also if my neighbor loses his job to another country you and I will be paying taxes to help them out until they find another lower paying job.
If I was only thinking about myself then sure buy the cheapest tool you can find.
@@cesarmoore7996 It doesn't matter where the tools are made. You're right my friend - there are plenty of tool brands that are of excellent quality that are made overseas. However, when given the opportunity to purchase something that is MADE IN USA I'm definitely going to do so. I don't have Snap-on money or MAC money, but Milwaukee, Tekton, Klein, Channellock, and now Craftsman and Milwaukee all provide inexpensive options to buy USA made tools.
@@cesarmoore7996 It matters where tools are manufactured (1) because American made tools historically are higher quality than most of the garbage that comes out of China, (2) result in economic growth of American workers. and (3) they are not "made with the same materials".
All hand tools need a lifetime warranty. 😂 That is just the standard
Being a Milwaukee resident, you really get a sense of how much Milwaukee Tool is investing in the area. Everyone has heard a story of a mill town, where it's fairly known once you hit 18 you're going to be working at the mill at some point in your life. Milwaukee Tool has turned the city into their town. If you ask anyone who is changing jobs or looking for a new job, Milwaukee Tool is the first company they talk about.
It’s impressive and an awesome town
Never been there but y’all have a famous round about there that gets a lot of attention on crash videos. And beer.
@@rustbucket9318 crashes here are brutal, some of the worst reckless driving in the country is in Milwaukee, it's rough. Beer is everywhere, that's for sure, even most company meetings rooms
Wisconsin culture is beer. But on another note Snap On is a wisconsin brand as well.
Yeh all 150 of them. Shill harder
I’m Milwaukee guy through and through. When it comes to pliers nothing can touch knipex
NWS & Fujiya & Klein are just as good. The twin grips and the pliers wrench is what brings knipex just slightly above the rest. Imo.
I'v been an A&P mechanic for 27 years . A lot of the big companies especially in manufacturing or large air carriers or military contractors , supply the tool box now . The box is completely shadowed and the tools are tracked by computer. It's tracked by who removed the tool . You have to use your company badge to open the drawer on the tool box , after you open and close the drawer the toolbox has a camera in the drawer that takes a picture that's digitally stored in a computer with who opened the drawer and what tool was taken out . The point I'm making is that these tool boxes are $50,000 . By a big Tool Company , not going to mention the name ? But it's easy to find out ! ... Milwaukee makes great tools . If you manage to break a hand tool , you were probably abusing it . I have my own set of tools and it's a mixed variety of brands ( some expensive some cheap ) Milwaukee , some Snap On , and all in between . Not going to even try to list them all . MY ADVICE TO ANY MECHANIC STARTING OUT . Don't go and buy a $10,000 tool box that's empty . Invest in tools for a few years , buy a box that's within reason . I have yet to meet a mechanic that gave his tool box to his kid or grandchild. THOSE ARE ALL SALES GIMMICKS TO SELL A TOOL BOX TO YOU . Invest $10,000 in tools, then get an expensive tool box . YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING WITH WHATS IN THE BOX . I found out two smaller roll around tool boxes are easier to move than one giant one . You're not always going to have a forklift. Don't go nuts buying tools on credit. Seen people do this also . People get addicted to buying tools . Remember your doing this to make a living. Don't buy a bunch of tools to make someone else rich . ( I followed a Tool truck driver home one day ) trying to stop him to buy a tool . He got to his house , couldn't believe it . $800,000 house on 20 acres in Texas outside Houston. Don't make these guys rich .
I made the mistake of getting a giant one because of garage space… and yea, I’m not moving that thing again.
It will be sold with the house like a pool table or Jacuzzi
Buy the tool box at Harbor Freight.
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@@TheCyberMantis cyber mantis knows the way
I'm a journeyman electrician with almost 20yrs in the field. Some tools you'll need to spend some money but most others you can get the job done with cheapies. I like my Milwaukee dikes because of the pipe reamer. They're hole saws aren't too bad or sockets and box wrenches, but I won't use thier cordless tools. I've gone through so many different brands dropping from lifts or just wear out. Now I just rock Ryobi. Not too pricey and the hammer drill surprised me how tough it is. Band saw is nice and my tree trimming tools. All use the same batteries, so I've got that going for me...which is nice.
As a electrician I like Milwaukee and have a few tools by them but when it comes to linesman, strippers, diagonal cutters, cable cutters and channels I stick with knipex those have yet to let me down and seem to last
Used to be all Klein when I became a sparky, but have since changed completely over to Knipex. Will never go back
@@chriswindberg5010 yes sir
They are pricey so I only have the main staples. Cobras, twin grip and pliers wrench. Definitely worth it tho
Knipex and wiha are my to go to brands hands down
Agreed. Knipex is my choice
Milwaukee doesn't have to be the best screwdriver ever made. They just have to be as good as most and I will buy them.
Craftsman were my choice in screwdrivers when they were made in the USA.
I will just start buying Milwaukee made in USA instead.
I agree. The most important thing is that they are made in the US. And I Luv Murica!
So your just buying for the brand then 🤷🏽♂️
@@anthonymartinez5653 Never was a big Milwaukee fan but I am going to support American workers jobs over foreign jobs. My tools are mostly DeWalt and the older USA Craftsman. I have one Milwaukee Super Sawzall from about thirty years ago and that is it.
Indeed, looking forward to buying the new Milwaukee screwdrivers and pliers as well. Glad they'll be made in USA
@@anthonymartinez5653 Nothing wrong with that.
What would be nice to see is Milwaukee have an agreement with HomeDepot (or any other authorized retailer) to have the lifetime warranty claims take place at that location. Kind of like how Sears had Craftsman... if a tool broke, you brought it back to Sears and swapped it out. If a tool breaks, and I need it, I wouldn't want to wait to have to send the tool back to Milwaukee for them to replace it.
I understand that hand tools are not expensive, but if you have a tool that comes with a lifetime warranty, you should only need to buy one. Personally, I purchase 2 - 3 of the most common tools and have only one of the others. Like a 10mm wrench or socket, you are actively using it, it's in your hand while you're doing a 360 degree turn and suddenly it's missing, never to be found again.
Menards has an in house policy on lifetime tools if they sell it. No Milwaukee there but some other good brands.
@@cartman0223 I've heard a lot of good things about Menards, the problem with it is the closest one is 350+ miles from me.
That 10mm socket gremlin is real
The stores by me WILL warranty Milwaukee hand tools
@@n2ocharged I feel that I've never even seen a Menards, I would like to though.
I work industrial maintenance so the only Milwaukee tools that I really use is the cordless line. I’m to set on my Proto and similar industrial tool companies to think about switching over. I like the fact that Milwaukee is deciding to make tools right here in the US. I really appreciate you being honest about how you feel on how Milwaukee is marketing their brand of US tools. You don’t hold back on your opinions and it’s awesome. You can’t say that about other reviewers. Stay honest and never let one of these companies buy you out.
Thank you for that fair and unbiased report! 👍🏼
You know it
As an electrician for over 20 years I've learned from experience that when you find a brand that does a particular tool better than the rest, that's what you stick with because you tend to get screwed over when you switch to another brand. Klein, for example, tends to have the best linesman's pliers.
Gtfoh Knipex by far has the best linesman pliers. Klein can’t do anything better except drive staples if you’re into that kinda thing. After using knipex for a couple months you’ll pick up a pair of Kleins and think to yourself “gross”
Lmao @ knipex being good. Took all the advice and spent $60 for a pair. Cutting edge didn’t last me a month. the worst I’ve owned. Never buying that shit again.
Depending on what pair you get, you can have added features. I prefer the pair that has the crimper in the back. I find that way more useful than any other added feature that they offer. I stick by Klein linesman pliers because I've never had another brand that consistently works better.
I like Milwaukee well enough. The guy that taught me building trades for 3 years, gave me my first job in the trades , he swore by Milwaukee. He said they are number 1 but he also held makita in high esteem at #2. But I started out buying skil saws, black and decker sawzalls, and whatever brand tablesaw I could get for 89$ . Then I moved up to dewalt because they were at the price point and a brand I saw a bunch of guys using. I built as good with my original setup as I do with all the new tools. The biggest game changer in my opinion is the multi tool, oscillating saw. That son of a gun does so much and replaces so much. I find myself using it time I shouldn’t because it’s already out and hot damn it seems to always get it done
Thanks for the honest no BS video. I have used Klein and Knipex lineman pliers and I doubt the USA made Milwaukee will blow them out of the water. Probably still a good tool.
I believe they are, but don’t appreciate my intelligence being insulted.
I'm pretty sure Knipex is all made in Germany. Most of Klein's hand told are US made. Not all.
Boy ! Massive kudos to Vince for being real and calling them out ! I doubt they'll have you back for that factory tour and If you do go to the next event Vince : do NOT eat the cheese steak they'll have prepared specifically for you , matter of fact don't eat or drink anything while you're there ! 😅
haha lol. Nah i hope Milwaukee takes his review and honesty as a challenge to do better rather than the opposite. Yeah kudos on him for having the balls to provide honest review. That's why we follow him.
I appreciate that while calling them out he makes the excellent point that they are actually good tools. It was there attempts to hype the tools through exaggeration and even deception that was the problem. So kudos for providing the most useful feedback with out going negative about the tools where it wasn’t warranted.
Use the screwdriver as a punch, chisel, & prybar test-comparison, now you have my attention.
lmao
30 years ago had a SnapOn sales man say when he was a mechanic he NEVER used a screwdriver for a punch, prybar or scraper! Everyone in the shop including the foreman laughed in his face🤣 he never asked how a screwdriver got damaged again.
I dont get why a company with that already puts out quality tools, would think its a good idea to make outlandish claims like that. Especially when the claims are easily disproven.
Nothing good comes from lies, even little lies!
Exactly! The guy actually blames the manufacturer of screws that is probably more repeatable than tools and the way they're used by various tradespeople.
Bad management. After seeing this, I would not be surprised if Milwaukee's steam is about to run out and they start cutting too many corners and release subpar products.
But what about the "process" "processes" also, I was not there for this part, but they must have fed you a cheesesteak because you seemed a lot more calm at this point than earlier in the day 🤔
We weren’t allowed to video or photograph the process sorry Flint.
Flint is too busy trying to flexvolt his lineman
Great job job keeping it real and holding Brands accountable to accurate retoric!
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Man Vince tells it the way it is. That's what keeps people coming back. This world is so corrupt anymore I don't even trust my mother. Keep on keeping it real Vince. The tools looked great though. I love the American made and loved the lifetime warranty.
Thanks notta
Wtf
Sorry to hear that man i can trust my mother more than myself
I like the VCG channel, spend plenty of time on it, but sometimes Vince goes a bit far in my opinion. Starting shit that doesn't need to be started. I understand why he does it, need them clicks. He's playing the game and does it well. But not everything he says is "how it is". Some things are "how it is driving traffic to the channel".
Vince tells it the way he is paid to. I learned that when I bought the skill 12v tools he was pushing a while back. Good luck to anyone that invests in that platform.
Glad to see jobs being created here. They seem like quality tools, if they are as good as the Milwaukee sawzaw blades, and hex to impact adapters they might be worth a try...
And this is coming from a DeWalt guy who runs Milwaukee blades. Of course I think we all know DeWalts blades are junk.... 🤷♂️
To be honest though most of my hand tools come with a lifetime warranty much cheaper at Harbor Freight.
Dewalts are junk... their brushless drills crap out after only a few hundred hours... makita lasts 10x as long, and then you have Milwaukee (especially the Japanese made ones) heck for the price of a Dewalt you can get a ryubi and that lasts just as long sad to say.
I found that demon blades are far superior to Milwaukee blades
Dewalt and wookie blades suck. DIABLO RULES BABY!!!!!!!!
One of the most important things I’ve discovered about Milwaukee’s business model and their American Pride is that you can actually talk to a U.S. based technical rep when you need help or have questions. I recently did a power tool comparison and tried calling tech support for Dewalt, Mikita, Bosch and Fein and there was absolutely no technical support to be found.
None! When I go into Home Depot more often than not there will be an actual U.S. rep there to answer questions.
Milwaukee Tools deserves our customer loyalty.
I’m just a hard working consumer, not a Milwaukee rep.
and why did you need to contact a us based technical rep for your tool? because it's a piece of shit? I have a 15 year old makita thats still going strong. Never had to contact the company for anything
@@schlomoshekelstein908 he stated exactly why he was contacting the manufacturers. Now who's the real tool here?
@@driveman6490 it was a rhetorical question that i answered myself in the next line: because it's a piece of junk. r u mad?
@@schlomoshekelstein908 It was prepurchase to see if he would get any support should he need it from those brands.
So you are happy Milwaukee has US reps to talk to you while all their products are made in China.. derp. DeWalt is the only power tool manufacturer with significant US manufacturing and they are US owned. The fact so many people fawn over Milwaukee, a company controlled by communists, while DeWalt has a similar quality product, it amazes me.
Glad to see Milwaukee following DeWalt and bringing manufacturing back to America. I'm looking forward to getting the Made in America wrenches and sockets DeWalt will be making in Texas this upcoming holiday season
don't hold your breath... they might be forced to go back overseas with this current America last government.
DeWalt doesnt manufactur in the USA. The only assembly some of the tools here. They only do that because it's cheaper to ship the parts than to ship the whole tool. DeWalt cares less about that USA stamp another than smucks see it and think " oh yeah finally american made". It's still the same Chinese garbage. Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi, and several others are all made in the same Chinese plant with different colors and names slapped on.
@@kevinkieel6778 Close, they've got a factory in Mexico for the power tools now. Sure, it isn't USA, but at least it's not China.
Schrade has an American made line of knives for the first time since 2004.
Briggs and Stratton is too.
I love how ppl say he's a milwaukee fanboy yet he's ALWAYS willing to call out BS on any big brand company. Great Job Sir. Much Respect.
🤣 Being a Milwaukee fanboy has zero, to do with whether he points out issues with other companies. The question is does he point out the issues with Milwaukee like he points out the issues with everyone else? Most fanboys don't.
Needless to say, Vince will not be on Milwaukee's Christmas card list.
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Honestly can’t wait to see more Milwaukee products being made in USA, don’t think it’ll happen but there’s a lot of companies that only provide USA made tools for they’re workers and having that market open to them would be beneficial
The main problem with that is they will either need to raise their prices exponentially, (which they won't do) or cut cost in quality, in order to remain competitive.
@@bobos245 so be worse than the equivalent chineese product, or have their basic tools being the same price as nicer contractor tools.
yeah, there isn't a lot of incentive for that.
They're workers? They are workers?
@@kyle18934 That's what I'm saying, don't think it'll happen, where they'll still control the market. Their hand tools are already the same price as well established pro hand tool brands, but they're made in Taiwan and China.
@@bobos245and they're shit compared to them.
My buddy works for Milwaukee and I can honestly say I’ve never seen someone care so much about their work. The culture they have there is amazing and if they do something they do it right. That is why I continue to buy their products.
I'm so glad I found your UA-cam you've helped me alot along my process of which tools to buy for work as an electrician apprentice and also just love the honesty and vibes keep it up!!!
Thanks Luis!
1. Manufacturing in the U. S. is a must, considering the state global manufacturing and supply chain issues. 2. Nothing wrong with choices. Get these new hand tools in the hands of young apprentices and they will have a customer for life. 3. Kline and Ideal Tools will only get better and more innovative with another player on the market.
As a master/journeyman electrician, I’ll stick with Klein tools for my hand tools. Milwaukee is my go to for power tools though. Heavily invested in the M12 line.
Agree on the Klein. I was intro to a neat multi electrician pliers/strippers. But in the end it’ll reach for Klein for pliers and screwdrivers and my comm gear for doing networking (cabling).
I just love the way Klein screwdrivers feel in my hand but the Milwaukee lineman pliers...the ones before these are just gold.
Us Sparky’s are going to be the hardest market to break into. I had one hell of a time even trying out Ideal after using nothing but Klein for 90% of my hand tools, even my dad before me had nothing but Klein hand tools. Not to say it wasn’t worth it because Ideal is a great brand as well, it just took a lot to muster up the courage.
@@ApacheLife-50 couldn’t agree more. I’ve bought ideal and greenlee tools but have always gone back to Klein. Just ended up buying tools twice when I would do that. I’ve bought some Milwaukee hand tools as well but I’ve never stuck with them long term. If I had to choose 1 Milwaukee branded hand tool, it would definitely be the 7 in 1 pliers.
Sidenote, I've always just called yall Sparkle Fairies. But thanks to some great points on a lot of the responses, I'll try to remember *Sparky... seems worse to me still tho. Like *Chief...sparky...I still don't like it ....Sparky.....at least Sparkle Fairy brings a laugh.. but whatever bossman, yall make the call Chief.(also coming from a man that left to his own device will assemble cabinets with a framing nailer, so there's that too) lol
I work for a wholesale distributor and manufacture in the cabinet hardware world, and I’ve heard a lot of BS from marketing departments from companies. They have a decent product, but it’s the marketing team that comes up with the ridiculous demonstrations and claims. I attended a presentation by a drawer slide manufacturer who was trying to say that their slide opened with much less force than their competition, yet that wasn’t true on the displays that they brought to the training. I slipped out and went to a nearby Walmart and bought a fish scale, and upon my return prove to myself and to them, that their claims were totally false. keep doing what you do! Scott
As a CNC Machinist that has worked for multiple manufacturers over the last 26 years. I can tell you that tools are made to a print standard. Every single manufacturer will reduce cost by bypassing standards in order to produce more product with less. This means paying more unskilled laborers less to produce a product cheaper with less quality. The truth is that kids are no longer interested in learning a hands on trade that requires you to get your hands dirty to make product, and the people that are detailed in their craftsmanship are now retiring or being phased out to so companies can pay some kid off the street with no skills half the pay to protect a product as fast as possible with regard to quality. This is happening everywhere. Just look at all the companies looking to hire machinists. They cannot find people to do the job!
Preach my brotha!! Coming from a die hard Milwaukee guy for the last 16yrs I couldn’t have said it better myself!! Under promise and over deliver!! The things that gets me is the all the BS during there testing like no one knows there something going on!!
As an electrician, a bad set of pliers immediately get either dumped or tossed into the bottom of a spare toolbag. I have a 9 dollar Kobalt set that outperforms my Kleins that were 3x the price.
As a died-in-the-wool Milwaukee tool owner, I'd like to replace the word "lying" with "creative embellishment". I'd also like to add the gimmickry of a "tradeshow" environment. I mean, come on....haven't you seen the "slap-chop" at a home show??? Great Video by the way. Thanks!
Thanks for the honesty. Big thing for me is that they are going to be made in the USA and they won't be priced like Snap On.
Vince walking around Milwaukee like he is going to fire somebody
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All through the'70s and '80s, we bought and used Milwaukee Power Tools in our shop and in the field. They were rugged, dependable and rebuildable. I still had all of those tools until recently. My son started his own custom manufacturing business, so I ended up giving him my service truck and most all of my equipment. Including most all of the Milwaukee equipment. I kept about 15 of the Milwaukee tools for myself as I still liked fool around building and repairing stuff.
Those tools are different though. The new stuff is all throw away. It may be marginally better than some of the other brands but at a higher price. I wish Milwaukee would go back to building the way they used to. Those tools that we bought for our business were commercial and Industrial quality. When I started seeing Milwaukee power tools sold in big box stores, the quality started to go down. It's the same with Bosch, and I guess we've lost Porter-Cable all together. I would be happy if the manufacturers would offer two actual lines. Consumer and Industrial.
Well, Bosh actually offers 3 different lines ( at least in Germany). Green - common folks, blue - professionals, yellow - industrial grade
@@dominicholder7323 exactly, people don't really realize this. There are different tool levels and you usually have to request for the higher tier.
@@TyphusVonElder We always bought the commercial line or industrial line of the manufacturers tools. Many of them now are no better than the do-it-yourselfer stuff.
@@dominicholder7323 Bosch hasn't been made Germany in years. They were bought out by the same company that owns skill and Black & Decker. All three companies have reduced the quality of their products. Even the commercial brand, Metabo has drastically reduced the quality of their products to compete with the pricing for do-it-yourselfer.
@@jnicksnewstart I never claimed they are made in Germany :p I just said that here in Germany we have 3 different lines of Bosch tools and the industrial grade once are still quite good.
My neighbor works at Milwaukee. I love borrowing her tools and never returning them. 🤣
I really like Milwaukee tools and own a number of them. I think they were the first ones to really push the envelope with brushless motors and lithium ion batteries to give us a huge range of cordless tools that are just as good as corded tools. That said, they are REALLY proud of their stuff in price point and bragging. I've never put a lot of stock in any of the "tests" these different brands do. But Milwaukee seems to excel at bragging when their stuff is more expensive but not that much different than the competition.
All that said, I'm willing to give these hand tools a shot, if for no other reason, than I want to support American jobs.
Makita was first developers of lithium tools
Makita was also first to introduce brushless to power tools lol
@@cravenmoorehead5636. Actually it was Bosch.
Crescent is made in USA still. Reliable tools.
@@tegimr Channel Lock is also still made in the USA as far as I know. I had to push my work to buy those instead of the made in China cheap ones. I showed them how the made in China ones started breaking down on the first use, while Channel lock just kept going. When they realized for five dollars more, we could get a tool we didn't have to replace once a month, they switched.
Just stumbled across this vid and awesome way you approached their staff with opinions and questions you wanted answers to. I love Milwaukee tools and really, doing crazy demonstrations doesn't mean you'll get people to jump ship on what they're using now. Getting the tools in the tradesman's hands and word of mouth feedback will sell the tools. If the cost makes sense to switch from Klein or Knipex for equal or better results, they'll sell pliers all day. My fear is the reason why they're overselling the demonstration is because they want to validate the cost of the tool that would seem too expensive to someone buying the competition.
Pro tip on breaking in linesman pliers. You have to gently throw them onto a smooth concrete floor. Do it about a dozen times, and they’ll swing open nicely. 👍
I am glad you all showed that part about the Linesman. I did go out an buy the Linesman, side cutters, wire strippers and needle nose. All are great tools but I had to go back to the Klein Linesman. They seemed to cut with way more ease.
Vince / VCG team, loved the video and loved Vince's comments during his conclusion. The comparison between hype and BS vs quality and execution was excellent. The analysis of how a company's hype and BS can over shadow there successes reminds me of Flex and their fakes tool test with actors and drama creating hosts. Integrity be an essential priority is so important. Even when people are trying to be so slick and sneaky like a snake, sometimes that's makes it even easier to smell the BS. Great point about dealing with contractors. Sometimes salesmen think their dealing with people who watch the View, not contractors/Pros/tradesmen/operators etc. IE like wee supposed to believe the competitors are incompetent and stupid and using 50 year old technology to make tools, and that Wlkee is the only on who is cutting edge. The good tool made in USA used to work for Craftsman. I'd buy Milwaukee if their good and going to manufacturer in USA. Not because I actually think their the best of the best of the absolute best. There's a lot of good/excellent competitors out there.
If they could make hand tools as good as knipex, they'll be doing something special!
As an electricians apprentice I've enjoyed having every color of tool sticking out of my pouch but I don't have any Milwaukee hand tools
You're absolutely right, manufacturers don't do themselves any favours by making over-the-top claims. Sure, it's hard to sell a screwdriver but this isn't the best way to do it, I'm certain.
Gotta say: As a former MAC dealer who worked with Snap On stuff in my younger years, I’m pretty impressed with the Milwaukee chromed stuff.
What happened? China…When I started with MAC circa 2003, they had just been absorbed by Stanley Tools and was managed by a bunch of former execs from Frito-Lay…They wanted nothing but bigger margins and continuously moved more production to China.
I'll go out of my way to buy USA made. Definitely get the point your making. But im assuming it's just the marketing department justifying they're existence.
I hear ya, but people make their own decisions to carry on a lie.
Craftsman selling point. Affordable, no hassle lifetime warranty, and most importantly made in USA. Can we have this back? Im looking to invest my money is afforable usa made tools!
Love when I see youtubers/ reviewers keeping it real!!!
I love it when you call out bull shit on manufacture’s. 👍
You can’t tell me they actually got away from forging and still make a quality product. Or maybe I’m miss understanding the process. Tekton released cnc cut wrenches made in USA. They are half as strong as forged.
All I’m saying is I need more information about what’s going on here. But I’m liking the fact that it’s offering Americans jobs.
Nothing can tough forgings period.
Pretty sure they are still forging. Just using lasers to heat treat instead of traditional methods
check out Torque test channel.... they do some amazing tool testing of all tools with complete breakdowns of each tool..... amazing tool channel.
Tekton CNC wrenches are the angled ones not used for torque, so it really doesn’t need to be forged for that application.it was CNC made to keep costs down.
@@kevinkieel6778 thanks for the reference! Project Farm does interesting reviews as well.
Milwaulkee Electricians pliers are the best I’ve ever used. They have wire stripping, cable cutting, screw cutting and deburr tool all in one.
Their screwdrivers were rubbish though, the tips weren’t hardened and wore after 3 uses.
Keep in mind that Milwaukee tools is owned by the Hong Kong tool company TTI which also owns Ryobi and a few others.
Ironic how they may be manufacturing in the USA.
I don’t know these days buddy🤦🏻♂️. Tool marketing is getting weird AF
Recently had some reps come out and demo all of their hand and power tools made specifically for lineman at the utility I work for. I really wasn't overly impressed as the majority of the stuff they have to offer I'm familiar with and use on a regular basis but it's nice to see they are USA based and USA made. Seems they've invested big time in their lineup geared specifically for lineman, many of those tools had improvements and tweaks to gain an edge on what the competition has to offer.
I also work in that industry. We're going from Makita to Milwaukee. We have about 2k field employees. It's a huge transition. Milwaukee is buying back our Makita tools
I've used Milwaukee tools for awhile now and they are a good quality item. It's a good thing made in the USA is back. Let's hope the best for the people working in this shop. I've been around for more than 60 years and I've never seen that screwdriver pull before. I'm thinking one hell of a magnet!
I’m a pretty new subscriber and I really appreciate the no BS approach. I understand Milwaukee is looking at turning a profit, but it’s probably not a good idea to start off with trying to pull the wool over the consumers eyes.
I appreciate you going in with an open mind and not trying to sell people on oh it says Milwaukee you should buy it.
Milwaukee lineman was the first one i had ever bought. I like how it feels. Dont like that it takes more force for me to cut wire with them vs my basic klein stripper. Tried the milwaukee stripper, had to use the 16 gauge slot to strip 14 wire. Annoyed me enough to get rid of them and stick to my klein.
Are they just stiff brand new but if you broke em in a little they can glide?
To be honest im not sure what you mean by glide. They dont feel stiff, they feel good from the get go, at least to me. These are my first linemans ive ever owned. I was just surprised to see that it took more effort from me to cur through wire than it does with my litte klein strippers. I only use my lineman for twisting wire and the e occasional crimp. Im not an electrician so i dont see all the work scenarios an electrican would while using these. So i dont know how they might feel after alot of use or in scenarios ourside of residential uses
As a journeyman carpenter every tool in my nail bags and truck was made in USA…. I can’t have things breaking on the job I can’t afford the down time. 🇺🇸
And I thought VCG guy was a sell out for Milwaukee but this video provide the evidence.... Thank you for your honesty that was American all about
Thx for telling us like it is! 👍 like the guy said at the end he wants to hear from the consumer
They hearing it here
Milwaukee is on par with Flex tool claims. They do a lot of wild embellishments that they really do not have to do.
Laughed my ass off when you and a few other people pulled the toolbox with the other screwdriver, ya got a subscriber for that
Wow that's really interesting and I really love hearing about this stuff and making tools down to the detail in quality, plus all the cool new manufacturing techniques , while also having people to double check for errors.
I absolutely LOVE how hard Vince is on Milwaukee. The only reason I watch.
I hard on them because I believe in them
Dayumm son, you a real one for that editing 🤣 I’m sure they’ll get the message. You’re 100% correct tho, irritates me when they use their painted competitor tools that are trash and claim they’re the next best thing to Milwaukee 🤣. Insulting tf out of our intelligence
Im a electrician by trade and helped build a Milwaukee factory rite here In Mississippi. I support them 100%
love that you call them out! Good show and thanks for not selling out!
Yeah i get it. They just need to be at the same level as say Snap on tools. Or kinchrome, SP etc... no need to say that they can out do any other hand tool manufacturers. As a mechanic who absolutely punishes his hand tools i can say with confidence that they all break. Where it counts is warranty. Sending a broken tool off to be 'examined' is the worst. Over the counter warranty is the best!
Yep with expensive tools you're not paying for build quality per se, you're paying for the customer service.
This is beautiful! A lot of these big tool companies do all these corny tests that are rigged a lot of the time, I’m glad to see a big UA-cam page calling them out!
I'm an old Craftsman guy. Pop was a Craftsman man and so was my grandfather. That being said, I'm not quite sold on their cordless power tools yet. The only Milwaukee tool I own is a reciprocating saw (cord not battery). Damn good saw.
I’m a commercial refrigeration tech and have use Milwaukee tools on job, they are okay but it’s not Klein and will not spend the same money I spend on Klein! Love Klein!
Milwaukee does some things right and some things wrong.
At least they listened about the collet problem in their impact drivers, but the question becomes: “Why was there ever a problem with their collet in their impact drivers?”
Now if they would just fix the m12 soldering irons that melt or stop heating and rotary tools that run full speed when the mosfets fail and you have to pull the battery to make it stop.
@@biohaz360 I've just done a video on fixing one of those m12 irons, then I bought another 3 broken ones. Also done a few on repairing items with blown mosfets and other issues!
@@BuyitFixit Great, I have 3 of those m12 rotary tools, 1 works, 1 won't turn off unless the battery is removed, 1 is totally dead.
The working one is already showing some problems, it won't spin up at low speed, a common problem.
It seems to be related to stalling the motor when cutting.
There are 3 mosfets inside them, and replacing 2 of them got me the one that won't turn off.
And I also bought an m12 soldering iron with a quick charger cheap on ebay, both broken and replaced the element to fix the iron, still waiting on parts for the quick charger.
Hakko a1321 was what I used, like everyone else. Paid under $3 shipped from china.
@@biohaz360 I've not looked at a rotary tool yet. Is it brushless? Or brushed. I did repair a brushless multitool but that was the motor driver IC.
Glad to hear they are making changes. As of now, Klein is the way to go with hand tools for me
@@jamesfynnhere6983 driver bits are dogshit across the board in my experience.
Always been better off to buy 3 sets and usually break the bits getting the job done and return them right away.
@@maxnovakovics2568 have you tried wera?
Klein hand tools for electrical work have always seemed the best to me. I have needle nose and linesman pliers that are 30 years old that still feel better than most other lines today.
30 years huh. You must be pretty dang good at your job if you never cut into a hot wire in 30 years. Since that ruins the tool
@@weewillywanka5904 True, not all survived but as long as you don't cut the hot and the neutral or two hots at the same time it's usually fine.
Did hit a piece of romex that was supposed to be off. I kept those as strippers. 🙂
He’s absolutely correct.
Milwaukee. Listen. Liiiiisten.
Make surveys, don’t just show people what you have for them….ask the people what they want.
THIS IS THE BEST EPISODE YET LOVE AND REPECT THE HELL OUT OF THIS GUY.
Imagine if they made power tools here, they would dominate the market like never before.
I dont know.I think that power tools would have to be double the price of milwaukee or more if made in the usa.That would never fly.People wont pay double for something if its not a better tool.
@Dr. WomenHateShortMen 🧐 More reliability is not even guaranteed.
@Dr. WomenHateShortMen 🧐 Doubtful reliability would be affected. After all, if they set up a power tool plant here it would be filled with the same robots they use in China... And where do you think the robots are made? Also pretty sure Chinese workers are more skilled than most people in the US who would even consider working in a factory. Bad products coming out of China have little to do with the location, but rather the instructions for how products are to be made, and the instructions they receive, even from Milwaukee, are to make them as cheaply as possible without dropping below a certain quality threshold level. You could maybe say Milwaukee are running at an 80% threshold to keep up just enough with a few other brands at the same level. Moving this to the US won't change a thing except raise the price of products.
That screwdriver pull test having the screwdriver pull 1200lbs load... I have never been in a situation where i had to horizontally pull my screwdriver at 1200lbs.
Not even a succubus will hold your screwdriver at 1200lbs from you.
But if that Milwaukee screwdriver could pull 1200lbs vertically then that would be one exalted driver of all screws.
Any tool with a pivot is made similarly, the 2 pieces are joined and the pivot shaft is smashed into a cavity on the opposing side. They could be heat treated before or after, doesn't matter. The heat treating is for the cutting edge and the feel of the handle. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to have the same feel of the pivot the way these tools are made, some break in great (as you mentioned) and some do not. What they need is a very fine adjustment on that pivot screw, so that the feel of the cut and opening of the tool is always the same throughout it's life regardless of whether the cutting edge is worn or damaged...
Milwaukee needs to KISS. Like you said, underpromise and overdeliver.
I agree on that!
I've had some great tools from USA and some not so great. I've had some great tools from Taiwan and in Australia most tools are from Taiwan and really cheap compared to USA. If I was American I would buy USA made and if Australia made tools I would buy Australian. As far as pliers go, Knipex for me.
I still can’t figure out what exactly they lied about…
Thanks for keeping it 100%. It's the reason i watch your channel and I just subscribed.
Thanks cuzbo
I’m a huge Milwaukee fan….but, does anyone else feel like he’s talking to kids out of college that not only don’t really know what they’re talking about…but, don’t have the communication skills to get through it either. It’s borderline uncomfortable to listen to them. It’s almost as if the people responsible for these crazy (and unnecessary) claims put these kids, that don’t know any better, out on the floor as a shield, so they don’t have to take the heat (directly) for making an stupid claim.
I don’t know how old you are Phil, but don’t get it twisted. These are adult men and women, no one is “tricking” them.
@@VCGConstruction ...good feedback. I'm in my 50's and have noticed that even when dealing with a 35yr-old, these days, it seems like I'm dealing with a perpetual child, with zero communication skills. The various people you were talking with appeared to be in their early 20's (for the most part), and had no idea what they were talking about....like they were reading a script about a tool they've probably never used. Maybe I'm completely off base on that....
With, that said, if they're old enough to know exactly what they're saying, about these false claims then it's inexcusable. And, again....maybe it's my generation, but if an executive told me to go tell a customer something that was a blatant lie about the capability of a tool, I'd tell him to go fornicate with himself. But, I digress..... GREAT video. Thank you again for sharing
I think they did a great job. Nobody's perfect - give them a break they're just trying to do their job and get through the day like everyone else. Don't kill the messenger.
@@MrAsmith1583 exactly. it's a marketing event. People expect a little smoke and mirrors. you can't just hold up a screwdriver and say, this is pretty good, so please consider buying it next time you see it on a shelf. Doesn't work that way. Funny to go to a milwaukee sales event and get ruffled that you encounter sales people that don't know everything, imperfect demos and representatives that don't know every single thing about the engineering. hello, the real world is calling.
TTI started off making tools for Sears Craftsman so they have been doing it for a long time. They now sell all of the HART brand in WalMart which I guess replaced what they were making for Sears. It's nice to see them make some tools in the USA. Kind of going full circle since the Craftsman days.
TTI did not make hand tools for Sears. Hart brand is definitely not skookum.
@@Maxb49 Are you saying that APEX made the socket sets? I highly doubt it, yes they made all of the hand tools but not socket sets as far as I know. I have in my hand a Sears Chinese Craftsman socket and it really is the same as HART I have in my other hand so I really think it was TTI unless you are saying that APEX make HART sockets for TTI then I guess it makes sense. Husky is made by APEX but they look different than HART or Sears Craftsman Chinese so not sure I buy that theory. Why would APEX make 2 totally different socket sets? Sounds like a lot of extra cost but maybe they have to by contract or something. Anyway, always interesting topic.
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I worked in Quality and Reliability for 30 years. Specifically conducting testing and running down quality issues in a production plant that produced 6 million units per year. This Milwaukee guy has no idea. Allowing the end user to be your sole metric for quality is just lazy, stupid, and bound to ruin your brand reputation.
That's how almost everything is going or has gone already. Same with app development: computer software companies bash something out and launch a first draft - wait for user feedback to reveal flaws that get fixed by bodge in next release. Doesn't pay to be an early adopter, even if company makes you an offer that you think you can't refuse - it will be too good to be true
the milwaukee guy is a marketing guy with marketing skills at a marketing event. Give the kid a break.
Glad to hear you called out BS when you sell it yah one for the trades
They're trying to make out that they've made a massive leap in innovation for a screwdriver. It's a bit of metal shaped to fit a screw, nothing more. Same with the blade on the pliers. It's a sharp piece of metal...
They want you to buy their screwdriver. That's marketing. You think people want to show up for an event and hear your version of a screwdriver? Sorry there needs to be a little smoke and mirrors to even get people to show up. It's called puffery. Their screwdriver seems competent and probably won't let most people down. But they still need to sell it a little bit. Milwaukee has the money for these events and paid a bunch of people to have the event. Let them spread the wealth around like that. More jobs.
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@@VCGConstruction Absolutely 💯
You da best Stephen, hope you’re enjoying this beautiful Sunday!
Milwaukee tools are for DIYers. Stick with pro tools like Bauer or Warrior