Great to see Arthur again. I just randomly watched his interview with Lloyd. He is somewhat of a watchtower scholar. Great cohost for you Chaka! Thanks for breaking down and sharing this information.
I can neither "FORGIVE" nor can I "FORGET" the vile UN-natural teachings in the name of a supposedly LOVING God. At 78 years, born in, raised in this filth, I've seen so much UN-justifiable actions done by swelled headed, self centred, self righteous shepherds (?). A leopard can't change its spots nor can a CULT change into anything else.
the MEMBERS give them too much power as well. Remember, power perceived is power received. We have to start standing up to them and calling them out. 2024 shun no more!
@@DiffiCULTChildhood totally agree! Also wanted to say I found your channel through Chaka's. Great job! I've been bingeing your videos for the last couple of weeks. Thank you for all the work you guys do! It makes it easier to see that this is really nothing close to the truth and also that leaving it doesn't make you a bad person. It also takes people with good hearts to do this work,because I know it's hard to have to keep reading and researching thier propaganda. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Its SO OBVIOUS this is a result of Norway. They wont SAY the word Disfellowshipped.... but they'll still TREAT YOU like you are! 😡 Wish they'd just GO AWAY already! P.S. Its nice to see Arthur on with you, since I no longer watch toxic Lloyd - haven't since 'The Incident'.
@@cultytalk Yes, it's funny the mind games they try to play. Changing judicial committee to "a committee of elders" and "disfellowshipped" to "removed from the congregation". They just want to confuse people with their semantics
Disfellowshipped, removed, it all the same BS. In the Hall I went to, there were “BROTHERS “ that wouldn’t even hold the door for a disfellowshipped person. Just let it close in their face. So loving! I couldn’t imagine Jesus doing this. Put an uneducated person in CHARGE and they will lord it over others. Do I sound bitter, you bet
@@maryg1338yep I had countless judicial committees , plumbers and window cleaners deciding on my life, making decisions that would stop my family speaking to me
JWs are ALWAYS with the shenanigans and mind games. They made these changes for LEGAL REASONS and nothing else. The semantics are RIDICULOUS. I cannot wait for the day they are fully EXPOSED!!! Thank you so much for giving us this "heads up"!!!
This is simply to take the responsibility off of the organization and putting it on the publishers to mark “disorderly” ones. The PIMI’s will choose to “mark” such ones every time. But, again this takes the responsibility off of the organization for doing it.
🪃 Me again! Hi Chaka. This video popped up in my recommendations, so watched and found it very informative, thank you. I guess the writing committee have to be careful now, not to write anything that countries can use as evidence to remove Watchtower's charity status. You and Arthur make a great team! Kind Regards from Donny
@@donnyetta Hey Donny. Thanks for tuning in and for your kind words. I agree re: WT trying to stay out of legal trouble but they are doing a bad job at it
Watchtower should just shutdown & stop wasting their time. Their changes are not going to keep people from leaving. This will only make most die hards more angry and confused. Watchtower needs to start writing out checks to everyone that they have hurt & screwed up. Example; Severance package. Otherwise, the government will do it for them. Yes...the governments can enforce this if there is probable cause. Watchtower KNOWS this.
As an ex-Elder of some 20 years experience I can categorically state that in my experience the vast majority of them are completely deceived and actually are of high morals and principles.
@grimlokg Questions from readers WRITTEN by G. B. members or their associates. Questions that "lead" into teachings set by 9 geriatrics and not Gods Holy Spirit nor the teachings of Jesus.
@@robertgrey6101 I find it wild that they are called "Questions From Readers" when not a single reader has raised that question or if they did they'd just dismiss them offhand. From the 1950s to the 1970s they used to have actual questions from readers with the senders' initials but they scrapped it because we all know how they feel about being challenged
A rose by any other name smells just as sweet! Changing language needs to be followed by humility and transparency in leadership. Cults have so many layers, with so many secrets and lies. It’s truly sad that they have such a grip on followers. 😢
The longer the elders wait to reinstate a disfellowed person, the more probable it it that in the meantime he learns about the real nature of the Watchtower, f.e. in the Internet, and then he is lost forever for the "Watchtower Gang". Somehow the GB must have realised that outcome now.
How can the congregation welcome disfellowshipped ones to the meeting since they are only allowed to enter the hall during the first song, and then leave during the last one? And were they rejected for being apostates, or maybe became one after, like me but most have no idea?
@daretodiffer CONTROL is the name of the game. The apostates (DfD, walked away, faded) MUST LEARN to be controlled in thought, word and deed. A sticky plaster on a gaping wound which requires a surgeon to stitch up along with oral medication and ointment on the wound for it to heal. G. B. members ARE G O D !! Don't forget it !!
Since they no longer are using the word "disfellowshipped" to describe someone removed from the congregation, will they still use terms like disassociation? For example, WT wants to claim they don't punish people for getting a blood transfusion, but of course they do. I doubt they will use wording like "people who get blood transfusions shall be removed from the congregation" in their flock book, they need to keep the wording as confusing as possible otherwise it'll spell more trouble for them
As a never was JW & ex Catholic that married a never baptized POMI with zealous JW in laws (Elder & Pioneer), I just absolutely love this content! Call me crazy but the whole psychological aspect to this cult just fascinates me. With you being an ACTUAL DR. Cognitive Behavioral Therapist, your insight to this cult is refreshing and educational. You are so smart and glad to see you using your actual skill & talent in helping ex-JWs. Mahalo and Aloha from Hawaii ❤
@@kawehionalani Thank you for your kind words. Yes, it's fascinating looking into their mind control tactics. It would even be funny if they weren't causing so much damage to people's lives
We expected that. The old cover was related to one of the articles prepared for the initial version of the magazine, that was unreleased probably mid-printing.
*** w99 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers *** Christians in the congregation who are thus alerted *can individually decide to limit any socializing with ones* who clearly are pursuing a disorderly course but who are still brothers
Funny...new cover...just 'rince repeat'...and some hidden footnotes. Still suspect them to present 'new light' that already was covered in the original issue.
@@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim Great to see you on here. Honestly, I wasn't expecting anything from this article. I was even surprised that there was some new light in the form of the "Questions From Readers"
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns They're so sneaky. This is how they sneak in tiny changes. They've done this from the beginning. And sometimes they never say an official word about the subject again - and other times they wait a long time & then pop something in a new article. I find it interesting how they still talk about "unless xyz stumbles someone" .... yet they no longer care if beards "stumble" anyone even though for 200 years they DID!! 🙄
If 2 Thessalonians 1:1 is written to the whole congregation, what about 1 Corinthians 1:1, 2? Chapter 5 discusses 'removing' someone from the congregation, so logically this is by individuals as well? Can't have it both ways....
I have a question guys not on this topic of the August WT 24, but to do with the Organisation Head Quarters at Warwick, claiming to be more or less the first to Lockdown in the Covid Pandemic among the big Co Operations? I saw an exjw Vlog which stated an Organisation that was ahead of WT to Lockdown but I cant remember which Vlog it was on or whose Vlog it was ? Id appreciate that Thank U and for all yr HARD WORK too.
OH WOW CHAKA ( ZULU LOL ), A BIG UPS FOR GETTING BAC TO ME I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THANK U. SO IT WAS LLOYDIE, GOOD OLD LLOYD AYE............ THANK U AGAIN FROM NEW ZEALAND
Thats not what I got out of it. Sounds like more of the same ole thing to me. They periodically shuffle the wording to make it sound different legally. Marking will continue as always. Who is doing the marking can continue.🙄 The gossip will never stop. 🙄 That is what makes them feel like real christians. 🙄 Like any JW will ever forget the judicial committee or disfellowship terminology. 🙄 Its still shunning if the only thing they will say is a simple greeting! 🙄🙄🙄 They are SO SHALLOW!
You show a Watchtower. You talk about it. What would be the harm to give a link to it??? As I do not speak languages you are referring to I can't find it.
@@RegieWipesWall The link is not yet live on jw.org. Arthur downloaded it from the backend that WT stores them on before release. If you email me I can send you the magazine
Sure. They’re guilty but what about each JW? We have to own our share of accountability by willingly giving up our own minds and agency. How else will we heal without self empowerment? 🤷♂️ IJS
I guess marking went the same way as an unapproved associate.. if I remember that archaic term correctly. Also the length of disfellowshiping was at least a year. Actually I think the body got there jolly’s ruling with an iron fist. Beating their fellow slaves
So now all Jws are judges? I thought that a person who is marked is someone who needs counselling by the shepherds? So now everyone has that responsibility?
Yes, each individual Christian has to decide for themselves to mark someone who is walking disorderly. But walking disorderly is not a kind of sin that warrants a judicial committee.
I wonder how many marking talks were given on average per congregation per year. Maybe their frequency had increased to the point they were really discouraging and depressing for the congregations. Just think..no more apostasy marking talks! Less marking talks means less judgment, suspicion, and gossip, all things that divide congregations. I have to wonder if they will ( in time) start to treat the "removal"(dfing) of people from the conregation the same way as the old "marking" system. Maybe announce that so-and-so has been removed but its up to individual publishers as to how much they communicate with them . Guess we'll have to wait and see.
@@Rupunzelsawake Great points. The more pressure they face from governments the more likely they are to soften their shunning policies. So far its just window dressing but definitely with time they'll make shunning a conscious matter.
@DiffiCULTChildhood A growing number of countries are expanding the scope and definition of what constitutes defamation of character. The WT already has had a lot of past and ongoing legal battles. This is likely in response to a legal battle over defamation of character - given how often changes have come on the heels of legal woes for the WT. Just my theory.
Wow glad to know you are Zambian Chaka. I'm Zambian too and I was an elder. You're doing great exposing this cult.
@@mozartzq2521 That's amazing! Send me an email. Would be great to link up🙏🙏🙏
Great to see Arthur again. I just randomly watched his interview with Lloyd. He is somewhat of a watchtower scholar. Great cohost for you Chaka! Thanks for breaking down and sharing this information.
Too little too late. I can forgive but not forget.
@@noonespecial5517 They haven't changed any of the shameful shunning policies. Just the marking of disorderly ones has been scrapped
I can neither "FORGIVE" nor can I "FORGET" the vile UN-natural teachings in the name of a supposedly LOVING God.
At 78 years, born in, raised in this filth, I've seen so much UN-justifiable actions done by swelled headed, self centred, self righteous shepherds (?).
A leopard can't change its spots nor can a CULT change into anything else.
Watchtower gives too much authority to these self appointed leaders. Elders are made to micro manage and medal in people’s lives.
Mmvnmm
the MEMBERS give them too much power as well. Remember, power perceived is power received. We have to start standing up to them and calling them out. 2024 shun no more!
I am following their rule, I mark all of them, I see a lot of them not following the rules themselves but mark you.
They should have thought of this 50 yrs ago when I left. I'm glad they were so harsh or I might still be lost in their bs.
Great program!
Arthur, so great to see you again 😁
Every time I think the Org can't get more cringey, I am proven wrong 🙃 -Falon
Hey Falon. You just could not make it up.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Not unless you're on the Governing Body. Then maybe you could make it ALL up. 😆
@@DiffiCULTChildhood totally agree! Also wanted to say I found your channel through Chaka's. Great job! I've been bingeing your videos for the last couple of weeks. Thank you for all the work you guys do! It makes it easier to see that this is really nothing close to the truth and also that leaving it doesn't make you a bad person. It also takes people with good hearts to do this work,because I know it's hard to have to keep reading and researching thier propaganda. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Its SO OBVIOUS this is a result of Norway. They wont SAY the word Disfellowshipped.... but they'll still TREAT YOU like you are! 😡 Wish they'd just GO AWAY already! P.S. Its nice to see Arthur on with you, since I no longer watch toxic Lloyd - haven't since 'The Incident'.
@@cultytalk Yes, it's funny the mind games they try to play. Changing judicial committee to "a committee of elders" and "disfellowshipped" to "removed from the congregation". They just want to confuse people with their semantics
Disfellowshipped, removed, it all the same BS. In the Hall I went to, there were “BROTHERS “ that wouldn’t even hold the door for a disfellowshipped person. Just let it close in their face. So loving! I couldn’t imagine Jesus doing this. Put an uneducated person in CHARGE and they will lord it over others. Do I sound bitter, you bet
@@maryg1338yep I had countless judicial committees , plumbers and window cleaners deciding on my life, making decisions that would stop my family speaking to me
@joepublisher166 What did Lloyd say about his viewers?
JWs are ALWAYS with the shenanigans and mind games. They made these changes for LEGAL REASONS and nothing else. The semantics are RIDICULOUS. I cannot wait for the day they are fully EXPOSED!!! Thank you so much for giving us this "heads up"!!!
This is simply to take the responsibility off of the organization and putting it on the publishers to mark “disorderly” ones. The PIMI’s will choose to “mark” such ones every time. But, again this takes the responsibility off of the organization for doing it.
🪃 Me again! Hi Chaka. This video popped up in my recommendations, so watched and found it very informative, thank you. I guess the writing committee have to be careful now, not to write anything that countries can use as evidence to remove Watchtower's charity status.
You and Arthur make a great team! Kind Regards from Donny
@@donnyetta Hey Donny. Thanks for tuning in and for your kind words. I agree re: WT trying to stay out of legal trouble but they are doing a bad job at it
Watchtower should just shutdown & stop wasting their time. Their changes are not going to keep people from leaving. This will only make most die hards more angry and confused. Watchtower needs to start writing out checks to everyone that they have hurt & screwed up. Example; Severance package. Otherwise, the government will do it for them. Yes...the governments can enforce this if there is probable cause. Watchtower KNOWS this.
To me Elders are just as culpable as The Governing Body
@@Wallows19441 They are just as culpable... Their desire for power and control means they just implement rules unquestioningly
ALL elders are wicked
As an ex-Elder of some 20 years experience I can categorically state that in my experience the vast majority of them are completely deceived and actually are of high morals and principles.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns yes most Elders love power
Nerds in school... now they've got power.
Yeah right “ questions from readers” and the calls are coming from inside the tower get out!
@@grimlokg 💯
@grimlokg
Questions from readers WRITTEN by G. B. members or their associates.
Questions that "lead" into teachings set by 9 geriatrics and not Gods Holy Spirit nor the teachings of Jesus.
@@robertgrey6101 I find it wild that they are called "Questions From Readers" when not a single reader has raised that question or if they did they'd just dismiss them offhand. From the 1950s to the 1970s they used to have actual questions from readers with the senders' initials but they scrapped it because we all know how they feel about being challenged
@@grimlokg 😆 😆 😆 100%
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
Wild is mild.
More like a cyclone and an earth quake with a tidal wave having a wreck.
A rose by any other name smells just as sweet! Changing language needs to be followed by humility and transparency in leadership. Cults have so many layers, with so many secrets and lies. It’s truly sad that they have such a grip on followers. 😢
The longer the elders wait to reinstate a disfellowed person, the more probable it it that in the meantime he learns about the real nature of the Watchtower, f.e. in the Internet, and then he is lost forever for the "Watchtower Gang". Somehow the GB must have realised that outcome now.
I think they do realize that.... and that is why all the changes !
How can the congregation welcome disfellowshipped ones to the meeting since they are only allowed to enter the hall during the first song, and then leave during the last one? And were they rejected for being apostates, or maybe became one after, like me but most have no idea?
@@daretodiffer1090 I don't think this was ever an official rule but depending on how strict the elders were they would enforce this
@daretodiffer
CONTROL is the name of the game.
The apostates (DfD, walked away, faded) MUST LEARN to be controlled in thought, word and deed.
A sticky plaster on a gaping wound which requires a surgeon to stitch up along with oral medication and ointment on the wound for it to heal.
G. B. members ARE
G O D !!
Don't forget it !!
Why are they being all secretive about it? 🤣 So stupid. Does Watchtower think they're James Bond-type Agents? 😂😂😂
More like Johnny English
@@cultytalk I know, right?
Lol they do think so, they think they are the ultimate movie stars
34:03 They know their enemy that just won't 'vanish like smoke' only Tony Morris can pull off that feat 'by thy words thou shalt be condemned'...
Since they no longer are using the word "disfellowshipped" to describe someone removed from the congregation, will they still use terms like disassociation? For example, WT wants to claim they don't punish people for getting a blood transfusion, but of course they do. I doubt they will use wording like "people who get blood transfusions shall be removed from the congregation" in their flock book, they need to keep the wording as confusing as possible otherwise it'll spell more trouble for them
Wow! First to do my 👍 and my comment.
@@haynehifanny8006 Hey Hayne! Fantastic! Well done. Thanks for tuning in
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns My pleasure Chaka.👍
@hayne
Congratulations on making an effort to espouse your opinion.
Nice find. But I have to imagine most witnesses won’t even read this box. I certainly wouldn’t have. Done by design once again.
As a never was JW & ex Catholic that married a never baptized POMI with zealous JW in laws (Elder & Pioneer), I just absolutely love this content! Call me crazy but the whole psychological aspect to this cult just fascinates me. With you being an ACTUAL DR. Cognitive Behavioral Therapist, your insight to this cult is refreshing and educational. You are so smart and glad to see you using your actual skill & talent in helping ex-JWs. Mahalo and Aloha from Hawaii ❤
@@kawehionalani Thank you for your kind words. Yes, it's fascinating looking into their mind control tactics. It would even be funny if they weren't causing so much damage to people's lives
The cover art has changed from what came up previously, in your previous video about this issue.
We expected that. The old cover was related to one of the articles prepared for the initial version of the magazine, that was unreleased probably mid-printing.
*** w99 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
Christians in the congregation who are thus alerted *can individually decide to limit any socializing with ones* who clearly are pursuing a disorderly course but who are still brothers
Funny...new cover...just 'rince repeat'...and some hidden footnotes.
Still suspect them to present 'new light' that already was covered in the original issue.
@@EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim Great to see you on here. Honestly, I wasn't expecting anything from this article. I was even surprised that there was some new light in the form of the "Questions From Readers"
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns They're so sneaky. This is how they sneak in tiny changes. They've done this from the beginning. And sometimes they never say an official word about the subject again - and other times they wait a long time & then pop something in a new article. I find it interesting how they still talk about "unless xyz stumbles someone" .... yet they no longer care if beards "stumble" anyone even though for 200 years they DID!! 🙄
@@cultytalk If anyone needs evidence that this is a cult this is it
@EL-IZ-At-BETH
Buy new brand of washing powder.
Old brand has lost its effectiveness.
If 2 Thessalonians 1:1 is written to the whole congregation, what about 1 Corinthians 1:1, 2? Chapter 5 discusses 'removing' someone from the congregation, so logically this is by individuals as well? Can't have it both ways....
@@timmiller3662 Great point!
Oh there are many elders who will just love having even more of their petty authority taken away!
I have a question guys not on this topic of the August WT 24, but to do with the Organisation Head Quarters at Warwick, claiming to be more or less the first to Lockdown in the Covid Pandemic among the big Co Operations? I saw an exjw Vlog which stated an Organisation that was ahead of WT to Lockdown but I cant remember which Vlog it was on or whose Vlog it was ? Id appreciate that Thank U and for all yr HARD WORK too.
Lloyd Evans covered this thoroughly in his rebuttal to the 2020 annual meeting. I would suggest checking out those videos.
OH WOW CHAKA ( ZULU LOL ), A BIG UPS FOR GETTING BAC TO ME I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THANK U. SO IT WAS LLOYDIE, GOOD OLD LLOYD AYE............ THANK U AGAIN FROM NEW ZEALAND
Thats not what I got out of it. Sounds like more of the same ole thing to me. They periodically shuffle the wording to make it sound different legally. Marking will continue as always. Who is doing the marking can continue.🙄 The gossip will never stop. 🙄 That is what makes them feel like real christians. 🙄
Like any JW will ever forget the judicial committee or disfellowship terminology. 🙄
Its still shunning if the only thing they will say is a simple greeting! 🙄🙄🙄
They are SO SHALLOW!
@@heatherwillson4862 This is so true. Such great points!
You show a Watchtower. You talk about it. What would be the harm to give a link to it??? As I do not speak languages you are referring to I can't find it.
@@RegieWipesWall The link is not yet live on jw.org. Arthur downloaded it from the backend that WT stores them on before release. If you email me I can send you the magazine
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Oh I see. I am sorry for being a bit offensive in commenting then. Cheers.
The world is marking the GB and the elders for how they handle crimes.
Why invite an apostate to the meetings?!? He wouldn't come anyway, would he?
Sure. They’re guilty but what about each JW?
We have to own our share of accountability by willingly giving up our own minds and agency.
How else will we heal without self empowerment?
🤷♂️ IJS
I guess marking went the same way as an unapproved associate.. if I remember that archaic term correctly. Also the length of disfellowshiping was at least a year. Actually I think the body got there jolly’s ruling with an iron fist. Beating their fellow slaves
@@maryg1338 It's really sad that what these slave drivers are doing to people.
So now all Jws are judges? I thought that a person who is marked is someone who needs counselling by the shepherds? So now everyone has that responsibility?
Yes, each individual Christian has to decide for themselves to mark someone who is walking disorderly. But walking disorderly is not a kind of sin that warrants a judicial committee.
@@RationalMind24 The whole thing just collapses when you subject it to the slightest bit of scrutiny
That 2 Thessalonians scripture is ridiculous. "So he may become ashamed"🙄
It’s very hard to believe that the elder body will not mark individuals. I’ll believe it when I see it.
I bet the marking system was abused and used by elders to publicly humiliate people they didn’t like.
Another new light can never get it right
I wonder how many marking talks were given on average per congregation per year. Maybe their frequency had increased to the point they were really discouraging and depressing for the congregations. Just think..no more apostasy marking talks! Less marking talks means less judgment, suspicion, and gossip, all things that divide congregations.
I have to wonder if they will ( in time) start to treat the "removal"(dfing) of people from the conregation the same way as the old "marking" system. Maybe announce that so-and-so has been removed but its up to individual publishers as to how much they communicate with them . Guess we'll have to wait and see.
@@Rupunzelsawake Great points. The more pressure they face from governments the more likely they are to soften their shunning policies. So far its just window dressing but definitely with time they'll make shunning a conscious matter.
All about the money, honey 😅
@DiffiCULTChildhood A growing number of countries are expanding the scope and definition of what constitutes defamation of character. The WT already has had a lot of past and ongoing legal battles. This is likely in response to a legal battle over defamation of character - given how often changes have come on the heels of legal woes for the WT. Just my theory.
"removed" in computer language (f.e. UNIX) means "canceled". And that isn't toxic as "disfellowshipped"? Strange view.
@@Ottonio fair point
Uh oh. Here is the channel
@@anthonymalfino1 Tell me more
Guys grow a beard please. You’re no longer cult members.
I grew a beard after I left. Now I want to shave it off.😂 But I also hate shaving or trimming so.....
The cult members are now allowed to grow beards and they are doing so en masse. So thank you but I'll pass.
It’s just new light. Nothing to see here 😂
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