People often ask why I live alone in the far reaches of the desert with no neighbors within a half mile (it used to be 2 miles before masses if people fled the city during the pandemic). You just explained it perfectly ... Being around people for any length of time is too overwhelming.
Same. After growing up in NYC, CT, LONDON, Essex &: CO and ALWAYS escaping to the woods or the sea alone, I've become a very self-sufficient, very happy, desert rat. 😅
HG says it isn’t exhausting. Narcissists don’t know any different. Think of it as a survival mechanism. To anyone else, it seems exhausting because for us to act that way it would be exhausting.
I spent time over Christmas w/ a narc. I didnt realize at the time what i was dealing w/. This person raged at ne over nothing. It took me months to recover. I pulled back from everyone. I couldnt understand where all the rage, shame and hatred had come from inside me. Then one day i realized i had taken all of THEIR feelings inside of me. They werent "my" feelings. They were hers!
Same here, wrote it above : i can't read people's emotions well but i take 'm on unconsciously and at a later point i become aware of it. It could be hours or days later that i realize i was feeling emotions which weren't really mine. It's a bit of a drag because probably some of these emotions start piling up and it becomes almost a duty just to get through the day.
It took me decades to figure out what emotions were mine versus others. This explains why I spend so much time alone. I have to spend time away from people to feel normal.
@@alainvosselman9960 Yes! It's all so confusing! I've always had trouble discerning between my feelings and others. The lines are very blurry. In my Christmas incident, I didn't return anger at my family member, instead I tried to comfort her. What I didn't realize was that part of my comforting was taking in all her dark awful feelings! For a while I even "blamed" her (in my mind) for giving them to me. But, now I realize I willingly took them in an attempt to comfort her! I pulled back from everyone and spent as much quiet time as I could in nature, trying to sort through things and release the feelings.
@@katw5590 Same!! The lines are so blurry! I have wondered why I feel so responsible for everyone else's feelings. I feel like I need to manage them. Make sure everyone is feeling good. I now realize it's b/c I take everyone else's unpleasant feelings on inside me! It's exhausting.
@@Kintsugi979 Good thing that you were confronted for a brief period with such an individual ! And having found this channel so quickly, it will most certainly prevent you of making the same mistakes over & over or attracting such individuals.
I am a majority contagion and it’s now good to know why once I come home from my job why I am perfectly content to be alone for long stretches of time.
When i take over too much emotions or moods of others.. it is seriously draining up to a point where my muscles start feeling as if i have the flew.. i really feel exhausted. Since i was 18 i started to often redraw from people and spent a week or 2 by myself. At work i started to get a reputation of 'disappearing' from the face of the planet. I get sick of sensing the deeper layers to social injustices of all sorts or of certain behaviors one gets confronted with in social settings or at work and that is why i needed to flee quite often. Having said all this, i can not decide to take on or read other people's feelings or moods... I just take 'm over unconsciously and only become aware of it at a later point.
Me too!! I have trouble figuring out what are my feelings and what are someone else's. They just blur together. When I have realized I took someone else's feelings inside myself I have even "blamed" them for giving them to me. But, I realize I willingly take them inside myself to help them feel better. And then I need time alone to purge myself from them.
@@Kintsugi979 Exactly... it's like in the movie The Green Mile with the big fella who sucks up the bad out of people and then needs the purge him self of it. Only, chooses to do this. I don't think this is the case with empaths in real life. At least not for me but i can't speak for others.
And this is what sets HG apart from the thousands of charlatans that create videos about narcissism: not just that he knows narcissists inside out, but he is the only one who knows empaths better than empaths themselves!!! We know he dines on us, but the level of delicacy, accuracy, and I would dare say “respect” (at least, publicly) by which he analyzes our different schools and cadres makes his work such a jewel. This is a diamond, Mr. Tudor. This video on Contagions almost made me cry, and I don’t have any Geyser in me. YOU ROCK. Now let me take my fuel away so that I can finish my writing assignment. It was totally worth putting it aside to listen to you.
It is fascinating our different responses to things. This video nearly made you cry, this video made me thankful I do not know any contagion empaths, they sound annoying and exhausting.
@@sweetestperfection4280 Well whoopy doo, if a contagion empath has taken offence at my comment, they have chosen to take offence, I did not set out to give offence.
@@kerryturtill6727 I don’t think a contagion empath would be offended by your comment, I think that they would just pity you for being a cold hearted person, blinded to others feelings. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but only the best of us can hold onto that opinion in order not to offend or upset others. Thank you for your comment, it is a valuable one.
In short…. an amazing miracle has occurred… l am extremely thankful 🙏 grateful 🙏 for all the help… support…. and my own darn stubborn nature ( resilience) to never give up 🎉🎉🎉
This makes so much sense. I am majority standard but 21% contagion. This must be why I do things over and over like the following: About five years ago I approached a woman in my church who seemed to be hurting so badly even though I didn’t know her. Every time I saw her in the pew my heart felt like it broke in two, I would end up crying and praying for her throughout the service. One day I couldn’t take the pain any longer since she never seemed to get any better. So I approached her. I told her I would pray for her and gave her my number for her to call me any time she needed prayer or to talk. I gave her a huge hug. For two years she called me, speaking to me for hours at a time and sapping every bit of strength from me. Funny enough, she didn’t seem to want my prayers or my guidance. She just wanted to complain about how her husband was evil, her friends who all abandoned her were evil, God had done her wrong, etc…. Finally one day her husband called me and thanked me for being there for her. He asked me to please continue to be her friend because he doesn’t know how to help her anymore since she eventually turns on all her friends, refuses to go to therapy, etc. (Interestingly she had told me that she wants to go to therapy but her husband refuses to send her and is trying to have her committed instead). The fear and despair in her husband’s voice was palpable and heartbreaking. I kept in touch with her for a little while longer but I now noticed how far-fetched some of her stories were. Like she was taking them from movies. She also called me once while she was out on a trail. She told me she got so angry at her husband she told him off and left the house for a long walk to clear her head and make him worry. This was interesting because she had told me before that he was a scary narcissist who would never let her leave the house. I also noticed for the first time how she ended all her calls by buttering me up - how kind and caring and loving I was. How I was a true friend, not like the other friends who abandoned her, how very special I was… One day I lovingly confronted her with the fact that she always called wanting my help and guidance, but then always focused on rehashing the same problems instead of trying any of the solutions I gave her. She got very snippy and ended the call. I never heard from her again. My goodness, I was dealing with a victim narcissist and never realized it!
It’s always biblical…at the core the darkness hates the light and naturally would seek to “hunt it down” in hopes of extinguishing it to get what I believe is the most “fuel” /pleasure out of it if you are a narcissist. I think this explains also why empaths as you choose to call us are drawn to those whom we think we can help. I enjoy your channel hg and I am glad that you are helping others regardless of your motives. I am sure that it’s the smartest thing you can do. 🙏
But what if darkness doesn’t hate light at all. And light is simply the opposite of darkness. What if darkness and light are only different. And need each other to balance. Are all narcissists bad? Are empaths all good? _A cornucopia of thoughts for you on this fine Saturday._ Peace GG, x
Bunch, I’m sorry but I been looking for you everywhere. You mentioned before that you are majority contagion! I have like 25% contagion in my empath make up but I think that is actually wearing me down and to be honest that I really don’t enjoy being an empath, and I can’t really imagine being majority, it must be really difficult. I would love to be able to talk to you but I don’t really know how? Can you suggest something please?❤
I finally knew you could sniff them out when I left the comment about enjoying the bird noises; and they disappeared afterward. I respect your videos absolutely, but I see you.
Believe it or not a few years ago I was in that position and thanks to HGs work I’ve almost completely overcome it. It is a burden really. It’s so bad you feel like you need to help everyone and that the world is on fire. Really through all the advice given by HG I’m able to understand what triggers me
At least in my case, I believe this was caused in me by being not just the "victim" of a narc but being the scapegoat of a narc mother. Having to take responsibility for her feelings, having boundaries completely obliterated through repeated violations when very young. Had to learn the difference between whats mine and whats not. And the horrific grief and terror of acknowledging and instituting boundaries as it feels like a primal wound enacting on myself- and her. Losing her "love"- toxic as it may be. Feel like annaihilation. As though IM the abuser to just to try to LIVE. Ive felt overwhelmed by even "archetypal" energies. Its great in my work to be so attuned to another (learned by having to be so, so as to protect myself from attacks by narc) but exhausting as the source is from trauma.
It is the amount of mirror neurons. The contagion empath has plenty of those. I even felt how it feels when the narcissist gets rush of fuel. It was a scary feeling for me, like good and addicting, but very unhealthy feeling. I can now see why they do it, it was like a drug.
I had similar experience. I couldn't exactly feel what this person felt but i saw his pupils dilate as he saw that he was able to really harm or hurt me. I felt a vast emptiness for a second there and it scared and intimidated me so much that as soon as he was out the door i was googling for behaviors such as compulsive undermining, criticism and dilating pupils... and ended up with information about narcissism which i thought was wrong.. i kept looking and each time ended up with narcissism and then started to read and went through a 6yr long shock of my life.
Yes, once I started realizing what was going on, I could feel the main narc in my life taking my energy as fuel at times-it was really disturbing, and I wondered why I had chronic fatigue for all the years we were together…
I don't think that it's only the amount of mirror neurons. Sadly I am one of this kind of empaths. I pick up also the emotions when I am on the phone with a person or even thinking about them.I can feel what others are thinking about me, when they are angry or envy on me. It's exhausting. I was raised and surrounded by narcissists my whole life....I am nearly 59. It was horrible. I live completely alone and isolate in nature to deal with this. But I am still practicing to control this a little bit more. I think that this is a survival technique to pick up my caregivers bad emotions so that I could feel more safe. Thank you HG
@@claudiasbarra1044 Just being curious: how do you know your feelings about the others' feelings are right? I have a friend who always expects the worst of every one in every situation. Maybe your life is so fancy that many people envy you. But why would they be angry? Do you get good emotions too?
Interesting parallel. Majority Contagion resembles a Sin Eater. Taking on another's sadness, allowing that person to proceed with their life or into afterlife free from sin.
I knew someone who was so empathic that if a child or puppy got injured, she would have a nervous breakdown. she had been misdiagnosed as histrionic, and an attention seeker. her neurosis was easy to relieve, by attending to the actual patient which would calm her down. even a tiny cut required layers of bandages, and a sling, to be on the safe side.
I love the artistry of this thumbnail! This video, is just fascinating💕. I look forward to your further works on the Contagion Empath and thank you so much for your work on the empath series. Fabulous job done 💯💟
Just received my Empath Detector analysis back from HG. At 60% Contagion I can vouch for many of the things he describes here. His description here of how different types of narcissists respond to this school is quite accurate. The empath detector is very much worth the investment!
100% contagion empath I am. When I did not know or understand what I was, it would affect me energetically and drain me, however as I evolved in my spiritual journey I have learned to protect my energy, yet still have the ability to feel other people's Joys and pains. One of the things that have happened to me historically is people will open up to me, practically strangers and they even question why they have done that as they have never done that with No one else
HG just described a natural healer ❤ 😂 Once I learned that I was picking up other people’s emotions, I learned tools, antient rituals to help me control it. This kind of power can be a curse, but one can create blessings when you learn how. ❤❤❤❤❤
The more aware of myself I become, the more I can "turn down" my contagion aspect. I can filter it much better. But the more I become aware and comfortable with myself, the more I keep attracting people (like a magnet). I cannot switch this off. Random people keep coming up to me and chatting to me about personal things. Why is this happening?
She feels skinless every time she leaves the house. Where narcs see only black and white, she only sees shades of gray. She is color blind. As always, thank-you HG
wow!! I was casually listening with my eyes closed and when you started describing it, my eyes popped wide open! I know when women are pregnant before they do because the color around them goes a weird green and people who are really sick are grey with sparkles. That's something I just DO NOT talk about because I discovered as a child that people think you are insane or, at the very least, think you are woo-woo out there. And crowds exhaust me. I haven't told anyone about it since childhood. To hear you say it blew my mind!!!! Also, children flock to me like crazy and little ones just plunk themselves down in my lap uninvited. I have to be very careful because people might think untoward thoughts. I have NEVER heard anyone else talk about it so matter of fact. I live out in the countryside with very few neighbors and I used to live on a sailboat so I could be more isolated, which people considered "anti-social". Wow, just wow!!!
I'm loving these empath series. Imagine how much time HG must have spent observing people and their interactions to have so much knowledge. I can picture him with a whisky on the rocks, quietly observing people and soaking it all in.
Where does this cross the line into spirituality or the paranormal? For example, what is the difference between a contagion empath and a clairsentient psychic (one who psychically feels others’ emotions and even their physical pains) who has a history with narcissists [this would be me]? Or do you think it’s just semantics? I often have to withdraw because I am overwhelmed, that’s actually a large part of why I stopped doing youtube. I think I am a super empath with the magnet cadre, from what I’ve learned from your channel so far; now evaluating contagion and I’m still watching the vid. Would love to hear your thoughts!
Contagion was my majority outcome on my detector test, albeit I had strong co-dependent too. Hg has taught me so much about myself, as well as narcissism.
I am grateful to you for making the two main videos on the Contagion Empath. I know that you reference them in other videos, but I am specifically referring to the two main ones. I have talked with my wife about the experiences that I have in the main video, "The Contagion Empath". So, she is fully aware of them. I talked with her extensively about them, as we both were trying to figure out what was happening to me, and why it didn't seem to be happening to anyone else. I let my wife know about experiences that I have, in your second video titled, "When the Contagion Empath Senses Darkness", when I realized that I needed to warn her of a particular danger that she was facing, yet unaware. The best way to make her aware of this danger, was to reveal to her how I had acquired the information. She absolutely believed me, because she knows my character. I was not concerned with whether or not she believed me, as long as she heeded my warning about the danger. That said, I am grateful that you made such an accurate video of what I have told my wife that I experience. I just found your videos. I'm sorry that I had not found them earlier. They would have helped me greatly, as I was trying to make sense of things. Most of the time I feel the presence of the demons, that you refer to as darkness. You verbatim explained the encounter the same way as I did to my wife. I will add just one thing, and (if I may) correct another. Most of the time I feel the demons. I even feel like we are one in the same. Deep despair. They are demons, and not merely the deceased. I do see why people would come to that conclusion. Often, they do take on the appearance of dead people. That is not always the case. In addition, I have seen some of them with my eyes. Most of the time, I just feel them. It really bothers my conscience. It feels as though I am them, and that is a weight that pulls me down. I do believe that feeling them is far worse than seeing them. They are fully aware of my presence. They have spoken to me at times, and other times they tried to speak to me, but for some reason, they were blocked. The information in your videos is extremely accurate. Even though you are a narcissist, you are still very much a person. Again, I want to thank you for your videos on Empaths and Narcissists. You are helping more people, then even a lot of empaths are willing to do.
I'm a standard with contagion and super. I worked with those in crisis all my life and had little social life because it was too much on top. Now I understand why.
I’ve seen a lot of questions and comments about why the Contagion can’t immediately spot a narcissist. You don’t understand how soothing an aware narcissist can be to a contagion (at first). In a world of people transmitting a firestorm of feelings-piercing sorrow, aching loneliness, heavy depression-and grasping onto the contagion because their presence soothes and mirrors their own, a very high level narcissist will feel like a balm. You’d think you finally met the perfect one, the cooling lack of those complicated and messy emotions will allow you to feel like YOU for once. It’s like going from a concert with extremely loud music and flashing lights, to a meadow. All caused by this “amazing” person. You can hear your own thoughts for a while, be yourself, you don’t feel like someone else (temporarily). It could feel like coming home. The FEELING of them fueled up (quite like a tick) is addictive and can easily be mistaken for feeling their joy and live. Triumph is hard to distinguish, especially when someone is in your ear telling you it’s love. A low level narcissist is the easiest to pick out, that seething anger/jealousy/rage/emptiness will be easy to spot. A mid-ranger, it depends. But it shouldn’t be too hard. They have less control over their narcissism, and aren’t usually great actors. The emptiness will seem like a blurry spot on the radar, don’t gaslight yourself into thinking your intuition is incorrect. Anything higher, it’s like trying to catch a prism’s rainbow in your hands. Like a sensory gaslighting, like your radar is being scrambled. My advice for contagions: trust your instincts. If you FEEL nothing, dig deeper. If you feel something that seems like love and devotion, make sure it feels like the same flavor. Although the best way to tell, albeit the most risky, is to open yourself up and examine how the “mirror” of yourself is reacting. Eventually it’ll come to you. If this person is any level of narcissist, they do have emotions. Sift through them. Can you also FEEL joy? Contentment? Happiness? Are you also reflecting it? If not, if you’re only picking up a certain segment of the usual emotional range BEWARE. Don’t just believe the gestures, a clever narcissist can act like no tomorrow. FEEL like you know you can, and sense for the hollowness of those gestures. Eventually, and somehow without realizing it, you’ll start to mirror the narcissist. That is not a path you want to go down. Practice unfortunately makes perfect.
I am a Christian…. a Holy Spirit… filled one…. since having experienced the freedom from the Narc … no contact regimen… as per your videos… coming out of the the fog of ET … l have must definitely regained my ability to feel and express healthy thoughts… feelings …. and emotions…. That had been under attack for years of abuse… Narc …. abuse….
You described how I am. I have never heard the process you call ‘contagion’ described or acknowledged before, especially the taking on of other’s negative emotions to process, giving them relief. I worked as an energy healer for a number of years but am now unable to as I started to take on other’s physical symptoms as well as emotions and it was happening automatically with people I came into contact with, not just clients. Both my parents are narcissists and my mother uses me to process her pain and ailments while my father resents the fact that I understand him and rejects my compassion aggressively. It’s taken me until middle age to work this out for myself and start to learn how to manage it better in a way that is healthy for me. It’s really hard! I hope you do more videos on this HG, even though it’s bizarre receiving validation from a narcissist.
I know! it does feel good to have this validated! I sometimes cringe a bit at people giving psychological ‘advice’ saying how ‘’you can’t mind read’’ or ‘’needing to figure out someone is just a coping mechanism’’ and although I agree with it to an extent, it fails to acknowledge the accuracy of how a contagion empath can genuinely suss out a situation, or viscerally feel another persons intention. I don’t think that is a coping mechanism, I think it’s a valuable and unique characteristic that we should learn to utilise to our advantage. 😎
I think I have very much of contagion empath in me. I used to think I was so much less than others but you of all ,have made me realize I am special rare and precious
Hey thanks for the gross blast from the past. I vomited for a while, shivered, and then I laughed. And then I read the gushing comments and vomited again. Great times.
So in order …. to process … the new found healthy emotions and feelings which have been stifled for many years… due to extreme abuse… l have found it helpful to withdraw for short periods…and it has been most helpful to keep and stay balanced in this area…
Wow. I took the empath detector, and I have contagion as a minority element. This sort of explains why I'm so drawn to formal Buddhist retreats. I really enjoy the ability to escape from the noise of other people's emotions.
This is why LMRSOMATIC was upset by my ability to sense his emptiness as nothing, no output from him, he called me crazy for telling him I felt nothing from him, just a dark pit.
My parent is a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies, and it says it can see auras- it complains that mine is 'too clean' lol I thought my parent was just getting age-related sight problems that can cause auras in the field of vision. Empaths are psychic- that's why they pick up on things- it's not because they want to be all feelers- they just are. My parent hates me because I am a 'good person'- I must make its skin crawl. Nobody's perfect.
An interesting aspect of this is it appears at least to me that Middle-range Narcissists pretend to be Empaths in this exact way. Even though not self-aware or much so, their natural Narcissist predation tendency and skill set give them the same data as the Empath receives. Armed with this, the Narcissist of the Middle-range can easily pretend to be an Empath which as HG Tudor points out is a common delusion for them. Essentially any Narcissist Upper Lesser (A only) and above has the ability to play Empath for this reason. Given the above it explains why here in the States when Psychology exploded as an Undergraduate Major and profession in general, the students and later practitioners turned out to be a group of Narcissists who were impressed with their "Empathic" ability and reveled in their assumed state of superiority over other people by having insight into them. The profession has always had this as an issue. It was merely interesting and useful with so many examples to validate that it would be a magnet for Narcissists unconsciously (mostly) using their manipulative tools to work in the profession under a cover of being socially perceived caring and good people. When not actively having a distaste for them, I would actually find most of the specimens pathetic, the others at best contemptible. One wonders something. I have some Contagion traits as an Empath. It seems that an Empath can use his sensitivity the same way which a Narcissist can to "read" people and could learn to be more like the Narcissist. Without realizing what it was all about, roughly twenty-five years ago I developed a disgust with what would later be labeled by HG Tudor the Middle-range Narcissists. I actually started to enjoy using and abusing them, especially those who played at being Empathic or Empaths. It was like my Empathic skill-set was linked with the learned (a hard lesson) in some cases and sensed in others that these people, the Middle-range, were not human like me and only functioning in a lie. As an Empath they offended my world view and did not have a right to exist let alone experience they joys and satisfactions. My Empathic Nature would like a switch turn off, yet i could sense so much about them. Yes, as an Empath occasionally did not like myself for what i was doing but resolved that by figuring "just deserts" for everything which I KNEW that they had done to people. Some who had been screwed by specimens of them or observed their ways found my antics and callous disregard for their "feelings" amusing. Yes, Empaths are not angels, and I have taken the tests and been tested to prove as one. It can be draining to do this as an occupation or serious hobby until one learns to emotionally detach. It is probably not the safest of activities and probably a risk to become addicting if one is not careful. Personally I have found it better to convert to this model if one slips by my senses and is in my life for some reason. Even then, it is better to simply leave. A useful technique for me is to refer to them as "it", removing any sense that they are human. This is useful and only appropriate and ethical for the not Self-Aware specimens. The mentality is that they are a type of robot with mildly functional AI. One cannot be held accountable for harming a machine.
First.. I'm not a Contagion Empath, but I went to Vegas a few years ago. I found it so difficult. Walking into a casino, all is good, suddenly you feel like crying, or angry, or excited. No reason, just everything would change. It was pretty overwhelming at times. You would look around and see people in distress or angry, but you couldn't do anything in that environment. It was rough.
Thank You HG!! I'm wondering, do comedians also have some Contagion Empathy as their goal is to make people laugh about serious situations that might even help them solve their own problems later or remove the stress of something by showing people the hilarious side of serious situations that everyone has no control over OR feels helpless to remedy. Sometimes by laughing it minimizes the size and lowers the weight of a situation. OR it helps people see the "other side" of a situation that is approachable. Thank You. PS I needed to listen to this twice because there is so much here to listen to.
That’s interesting. I’d say some comedians are, and other comedians could be narcissists who basically have the nerve to say certain things because they feel free and entitled. Lol Which I do equally enjoy 😅. As a contagion empath myself, I do find I am able to see the humour in things a lot and I am often able to make people laugh in conversation due to my intuitive abilities 😜. I would definitely say some comedians are that way too. But yeah, I’d say it’s a mixed bag overall.
It’s interesting…. HG❤ Since my ongoing recovery ❤️🩹 from the Narcissist l was entangled with…. I have a strong sense on this contagion aspect that you are highlighting here in this video…
I think this form of empath is put in all of us. I feel we were Created by God to be able to seek peace and get away from noise. We have ruined this for ourselselves We have to line up to buy food, see a movie etc. we paved everything. We have terrible floods because there’s no place for water to drain off. Everyone has road rage. I realize most people think they want to be where all the action is but makes us crazy.
Although possible its highly unlikely, it's a very diifcult task, the narcissist plays on a very unfair field, most of time they are playing with other narcs and are surrounded with flying monkeys, it's not hard to outwit them and get them to crack but the battle leads most of the time to violence, these people almost always have a high status in society, engaging in a battle could end you in prison or even dead, still it doesn't mean they are undefeatable, you have to be real witty though.
When your wavering mother, who knows you best, has reviewed your empath/trait detector outcome and has listened to the analysis of each school and cadre represented in this calculus, renders the results incontrovertible. So impressed by the precision of her daughter’s outcome, mom now wants to take an ED. 😬
when I was a child and coming down with an illness, I would cry about someone who was hurting, ie a teacher that was not getting respect. I used to feel that with my ex, I would take on his pain and worry. He would happily give it to me so he didn't have to deal with it anymore. I would take it on as if it was my own pain and try to heal it.
I must say, HG really contributes to my self-awareness. Thank you! I wonder if empaths types can be related to astrological signs... Contagion empaths sound very much like the cancer energy - emotionally receptive, intuitive, psychic, feeling the aura of people and spaces, great emotional awareness, quickly overburdened to the point of being depressed...
Possibly, I mean any of the water signs are good candidates, as the water signs are emotional. Pisces may be an even better example, as Pisces rules the 12th house and they both govern the collective and in their exaltation, universal love. Human Design also reveals the ultimate empath, which may be a Reflector (1% of the population), with a completely open bodygraph, being the ultimate mirror to their environment. Another Human Design example would be someone with a completely open emotional center/Solar Plexus, meaning they literally feel the people and environment around them.
My Geyser and Contagion works together with me , didn't realize that was what was going on with me, makes sense why I thought my percentages were different. Thanks HG xx
Hey HG, where to autistic folks fall into this? Do you include their different ways of processing empathy into account with these categories, or do they fall into their own category altogether?
so the empaths follow a similar “fuel matrix” as far as the number of people they are empathizing for. the codependent is empathizing for one person usually as in the narcissist. and the contagion is the “greater” in a sense that they empathize with everyone.
It's interesting with animals (more of my volonteering information xD but I appreaciate greaters being able to hear it, especially when they don't like/see the use of animals). I KNOW what it's like when a cat or a dog chews, gnaws, at something and is being driven. When a cat runs by, I know her. It's hungry, afraid, it's senses burn, when t's catching a bug it's singular, the sleep catches up, the hunger wakes you up from the sleep, the nature makes you run in circles... There are descriptins in fiction, i.e. when Arya Stark becomes a wolf and has "wolf dreams".
Now that you say that, I see another element of myself. Just hadn't thought about it as something different with animals. I always thought, " Well, it's a living creature, of Course I know when it's hungry or scared or lost.". People have asked me all my life how I know so accurately what an animal needs. I just wondered how they couldn't!! Then I'd think of my shut-down Narc parents who refuse to know what another needs even if she names it and begs.l, and then I know the answer to THAT question! 🤣
@@sunnyadams5842 YES, exactly, I thought everyone else surely recognize that a living being is scared, hungry and/or lost! xD And yes, my shut down parents were also blind to those things. That reminds me of an earlier generation of parents/grandparents who would, some of them at least, take children into the woods and leave them there to find their own way home. The thing with animals is that it's that visceral, wild, the smells, the sounds... like when your ears are ringing, when you're feverish...
I think my anxiety is like my spidey senses if I am a contagion and shit sucks bc anxiety sucks. I got a panic attack otw to my narc ex’s house and the last thing I wanted him to see was me in that state. I had to slap my face and gaslight myself 🫠 I’m currently 1 week no contact.
I'm resonating with this description a little too much. I guess I should take HG's empath detector to verify which empath I am. I realized some years back that I feel the emotions of others at a visceral level. It can be a curse.
2 years he tried, I knew he was pariah… I felt it and ran 🏃🏽♀️ and he wouldn’t let up. It took 4 months for him to start with the devaluation, I was shocked! Appalled! Disgusted, and then left. No contact, before any name calling, belittling etc, I felt suffering and asked him “would you have me suffer?” No answer. I feel deeply, I’m a counselor and nurse😂 I feel so cliche about my work My sisters always are fascinated at how “I can give people exactly what they need” it’s because I feel them. But trauma I think has led me to have dark triad traits. I love ❤️ that😈 I feel rather invincible. I mourned him, I see his end. It’s sad 😞I escaped, I did give an explanation and he immediately says “when can I come see you” I said Senator don’t bother. You’re dead 💀 to me, “you tried to break my soul?”😂 I kept saying that. I never said narcissist, it’s like I didn’t have to.
How do your categories relate to Myers Briggs personality types? Example would be an INFJ and their strong empathetic traits which seem similar to the contagion empath.
NOPE just kidding I am a contagion empath forsure. Now I can answer. It’s probably the intuitive feeling That we all have in common. Just like you, me, and the INFP that also commented. The first and last functions are more focused on physical actions so it can be different but we all share similar inner mindset (bc the NF comes more from the mind/our inner values)
Very interesting these empath series even if I'm not into this "aura" stuff.I don't really believe these things. Personally I wouln't consider myself as an empath because even if I have very strong empathic traits I am not guided by my emotional empathy but I'm trying to act throught logic.Even if there was a kind of attraction/addiction for the narcissist I think that this is vanished the last years and even if I have a caring nature I have to admit that as I'm growing up I am just looking my own bussiness. Althought I would like to say something about the types of empaths HG. You categorize empaths throught their narcissistic traits(super),their caring nature,their addiction,their sensitivity but not throught their emotional intelligence. For exable you are the ultra because of your intelligence and your awareness and so do the greaters.
I hate being this. The closest example to the Heyoka, they can reflect your own energy back to you. The walking mirror. The average person thinks they know vibes but they don't know how much this empath feels it. Energy transfer is real. An evolved narcissist will scan you energetically to read you. An evolved empath has to recharge a lot, touch grass and be near water and all that because we are sponges. I have to salt bath daily. It's a blessing and a curse and I'm learned that the love coming from a narc is so damn fake. They're hollow inside. If you're a contagion you get it. If you're from the states, check your native American heritage, Cherokee are like this.
The way HG breaks down the archetype’s of empaths let’s you know that he is one manipulative mf in his personal life. 😆
Haha I don’t doubt that.
And the worst kind, he knows what he is doing.... I love his knowledge but i'd never want to meet him in person !
@@alainvosselman9960I do 👀
@@alainvosselman9960 he’s still on tea and crumpets vibes so he couldn’t be a shark in the U.S. 😂
@@electricw3irdo Yeah .. imagine :
Somatic / Cerebral / Elitist / Victim
and the American psycho... he forgot one class...
People often ask why I live alone in the far reaches of the desert with no neighbors within a half mile (it used to be 2 miles before masses if people fled the city during the pandemic). You just explained it perfectly ... Being around people for any length of time is too overwhelming.
Same. After growing up in NYC, CT, LONDON, Essex &: CO and ALWAYS escaping to the woods or the sea alone, I've become a very self-sufficient, very happy, desert rat. 😅
It sounds almost as exhausting as being a narcissist.
Because it is
Agreed. It IS.
Yep, it is exhausting. A lot of alone time is needed ….🍹
It is.
HG says it isn’t exhausting. Narcissists don’t know any different. Think of it as a survival mechanism. To anyone else, it seems exhausting because for us to act that way it would be exhausting.
I spent time over Christmas w/ a narc. I didnt realize at the time what i was dealing w/. This person raged at ne over nothing. It took me months to recover. I pulled back from everyone. I couldnt understand where all the rage, shame and hatred had come from inside me. Then one day i realized i had taken all of THEIR feelings inside of me. They werent "my" feelings. They were hers!
Same here, wrote it above : i can't read people's emotions well but i take 'm on unconsciously and at a later point i become aware of it. It could be hours or days later that i realize i was feeling emotions which weren't really mine. It's a bit of a drag because probably some of these emotions start piling up and it becomes almost a duty just to get through the day.
It took me decades to figure out what emotions were mine versus others. This explains why I spend so much time alone. I have to spend time away from people to feel normal.
@@alainvosselman9960 Yes! It's all so confusing! I've always had trouble discerning between my feelings and others. The lines are very blurry.
In my Christmas incident, I didn't return anger at my family member, instead I tried to comfort her. What I didn't realize was that part of my comforting was taking in all her dark awful feelings!
For a while I even "blamed" her (in my mind) for giving them to me. But, now I realize I willingly took them in an attempt to comfort her!
I pulled back from everyone and spent as much quiet time as I could in nature, trying to sort through things and release the feelings.
@@katw5590 Same!! The lines are so blurry! I have wondered why I feel so responsible for everyone else's feelings. I feel like I need to manage them. Make sure everyone is feeling good. I now realize it's b/c I take everyone else's unpleasant feelings on inside me! It's exhausting.
@@Kintsugi979 Good thing that you were confronted for a brief period with such an individual ! And having found this channel so quickly, it will most certainly prevent you of making the same mistakes over & over or attracting such individuals.
Hey it's me (I'm a high majority Contagion Empath based on your test)! You finally made a video about this, thank you 😄
I was waiting for it, too ❤
@@bunchhaustell me, how is life as a majority contagion? I only have significant, but I can see auras as HG explained and other stuff.
@@sweetestperfection4280
What do you see when you see auras?
I am a majority contagion and it’s now good to know why once I come home from my job why I am perfectly content to be alone for long stretches of time.
@@dishonest-corset4942not all them are easy to see. Most people have a little energy ring so to speak and it has a subtle color.
When i take over too much emotions or moods of others.. it is seriously draining up to a point where
my muscles start feeling as if i have the flew.. i really feel exhausted.
Since i was 18 i started to often redraw from people and spent a week
or 2 by myself. At work i started to get a reputation of 'disappearing' from the face of the planet.
I get sick of sensing the deeper layers to social injustices of all sorts or of certain behaviors
one gets confronted with in social settings or at work and that is why i needed to flee quite often.
Having said all this, i can not decide to take on or read other people's feelings or moods...
I just take 'm over unconsciously and only become aware of it at a later point.
Me too!! I have trouble figuring out what are my feelings and what are someone else's. They just blur together. When I have realized I took someone else's feelings inside myself I have even "blamed" them for giving them to me. But, I realize I willingly take them inside myself to help them feel better.
And then I need time alone to purge myself from them.
@@Kintsugi979 Exactly... it's like in the movie The Green Mile with the big fella who sucks up the bad out of people and then needs the purge him self of it. Only,
chooses to do this. I don't think this is the case with empaths in real life. At least not for me but i can't speak for others.
“Removing” sadness is called Lenchak in Buddhism and this is what we do 💛
And this is what sets HG apart from the thousands of charlatans that create videos about narcissism: not just that he knows narcissists inside out, but he is the only one who knows empaths better than empaths themselves!!! We know he dines on us, but the level of delicacy, accuracy, and I would dare say “respect” (at least, publicly) by which he analyzes our different schools and cadres makes his work such a jewel. This is a diamond, Mr. Tudor. This video on Contagions almost made me cry, and I don’t have any Geyser in me. YOU ROCK. Now let me take my fuel away so that I can finish my writing assignment. It was totally worth putting it aside to listen to you.
Well said, SP!
It is fascinating our different responses to things. This video nearly made you cry, this video made me thankful I do not know any contagion empaths, they sound annoying and exhausting.
@@kerryturtill6727that is very offensive to contagion empaths. They are not annoying or exhausting, in fact they are annoyed and exhausted by others.
@@sweetestperfection4280 Well whoopy doo, if a contagion empath has taken offence at my comment, they have chosen to take offence, I did not set out to give offence.
@@kerryturtill6727 I don’t think a contagion empath would be offended by your comment, I think that they would just pity you for being a cold hearted person, blinded to others feelings. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but only the best of us can hold onto that opinion in order not to offend or upset others. Thank you for your comment, it is a valuable one.
In short…. an amazing miracle has occurred… l am extremely thankful 🙏 grateful 🙏 for all the help… support…. and my own darn stubborn nature ( resilience) to never give up 🎉🎉🎉
This makes so much sense. I am majority standard but 21% contagion. This must be why I do things over and over like the following:
About five years ago I approached a woman in my church who seemed to be hurting so badly even though I didn’t know her. Every time I saw her in the pew my heart felt like it broke in two, I would end up crying and praying for her throughout the service.
One day I couldn’t take the pain any longer since she never seemed to get any better. So I approached her. I told her I would pray for her and gave her my number for her to call me any time she needed prayer or to talk. I gave her a huge hug.
For two years she called me, speaking to me for hours at a time and sapping every bit of strength from me. Funny enough, she didn’t seem to want my prayers or my guidance. She just wanted to complain about how her husband was evil, her friends who all abandoned her were evil, God had done her wrong, etc…. Finally one day her husband called me and thanked me for being there for her. He asked me to please continue to be her friend because he doesn’t know how to help her anymore since she eventually turns on all her friends, refuses to go to therapy, etc. (Interestingly she had told me that she wants to go to therapy but her husband refuses to send her and is trying to have her committed instead). The fear and despair in her husband’s voice was palpable and heartbreaking.
I kept in touch with her for a little while longer but I now noticed how far-fetched some of her stories were. Like she was taking them from movies. She also called me once while she was out on a trail. She told me she got so angry at her husband she told him off and left the house for a long walk to clear her head and make him worry. This was interesting because she had told me before that he was a scary narcissist who would never let her leave the house.
I also noticed for the first time how she ended all her calls by buttering me up - how kind and caring and loving I was. How I was a true friend, not like the other friends who abandoned her, how very special I was…
One day I lovingly confronted her with the fact that she always called wanting my help and guidance, but then always focused on rehashing the same problems instead of trying any of the solutions I gave her. She got very snippy and ended the call. I never heard from her again.
My goodness, I was dealing with a victim narcissist and never realized it!
It’s always biblical…at the core the darkness hates the light and naturally would seek to “hunt it down” in hopes of extinguishing it to get what I believe is the most “fuel” /pleasure out of it if you are a narcissist.
I think this explains also why empaths as you choose to call us are drawn to those whom we think we can help.
I enjoy your channel hg and I am glad that you are helping others regardless of your motives. I am sure that it’s the smartest thing you can do.
🙏
But what if darkness doesn’t hate light at all.
And light is simply the opposite of darkness.
What if darkness and light are only different.
And need each other to balance.
Are all narcissists bad? Are empaths all good?
_A cornucopia of thoughts for you on this fine Saturday._
Peace GG,
x
Thank you SO much for bringing such clarity to my life, HG. I feel less confused and more sane with each day that passes 😘
Hooray! The Contagion video we’ve been patiently waiting for is here and it was worth the wait. Thank you, HG!
It was truly awesome, wasn't it??!
And now we know !
Bunch, I’m sorry but I been looking for you everywhere. You mentioned before that you are majority contagion! I have like 25% contagion in my empath make up but I think that is actually wearing me down and to be honest that I really don’t enjoy being an empath, and I can’t really imagine being majority, it must be really difficult. I would love to be able to talk to you but I don’t really know how? Can you suggest something please?❤
I finally knew you could sniff them out when I left the comment about enjoying the bird noises; and they disappeared afterward. I respect your videos absolutely, but I see you.
Noticed that, same LOL
Thank u, HG. I call it the “Black Aura of Resentment”.
Believe it or not a few years ago I was in that position and thanks to HGs work I’ve almost completely overcome it. It is a burden really. It’s so bad you feel like you need to help everyone and that the world is on fire. Really through all the advice given by HG I’m able to understand what triggers me
I’ve been patiently waiting for this! I have this school. Can’t wait to learn more ❤
At least in my case, I believe this was caused in me by being not just the "victim" of a narc but being the scapegoat of a narc mother. Having to take responsibility for her feelings, having boundaries completely obliterated through repeated violations when very young. Had to learn the difference between whats mine and whats not. And the horrific grief and terror of acknowledging and instituting boundaries as it feels like a primal wound enacting on myself- and her. Losing her "love"- toxic as it may be. Feel like annaihilation. As though IM the abuser to just to try to LIVE. Ive felt overwhelmed by even "archetypal" energies. Its great in my work to be so attuned to another (learned by having to be so, so as to protect myself from attacks by narc) but exhausting as the source is from trauma.
It is the amount of mirror neurons. The contagion empath has plenty of those. I even felt how it feels when the narcissist gets rush of fuel. It was a scary feeling for me, like good and addicting, but very unhealthy feeling. I can now see why they do it, it was like a drug.
I had similar experience. I couldn't exactly feel what this person felt but i saw his pupils dilate as he saw that he was able to really harm or hurt me. I felt a vast emptiness for a second there and it scared and intimidated me so much that as soon as he was out the door i was googling for behaviors such as compulsive undermining, criticism and dilating pupils... and ended up with information about narcissism which i thought was wrong.. i kept looking and each time ended up with narcissism and then started to read and went through a 6yr long shock of my life.
Have you taken the empath test? Truly curious
Yes, once I started realizing what was going on, I could feel the main narc in my life taking my energy as fuel at times-it was really disturbing, and I wondered why I had chronic fatigue for all the years we were together…
I don't think that it's only the amount of mirror neurons. Sadly I am one of this kind of empaths. I pick up also the emotions when I am on the phone with a person or even thinking about them.I can feel what others are thinking about me, when they are angry or envy on me. It's exhausting. I was raised and surrounded by narcissists my whole life....I am nearly 59. It was horrible. I live completely alone and isolate in nature to deal with this. But I am still practicing to control this a little bit more. I think that this is a survival technique to pick up my caregivers bad emotions so that I could feel more safe. Thank you HG
@@claudiasbarra1044 Just being curious: how do you know your feelings about the others' feelings are right? I have a friend who always expects the worst of every one in every situation. Maybe your life is so fancy that many people envy you. But why would they be angry? Do you get good emotions too?
Ohhhhh MY GOD. The awaited one!!!! And I am finishing my homework. Leaving all to listen to HG!
Interesting parallel. Majority Contagion resembles a Sin Eater. Taking on another's sadness, allowing that person to proceed with their life or into afterlife free from sin.
I knew someone who was so empathic that if a child or puppy got injured, she would have a nervous breakdown. she had been misdiagnosed as histrionic, and an attention seeker. her neurosis was easy to relieve, by attending to the actual patient which would calm her down. even a tiny cut required layers of bandages, and a sling, to be on the safe side.
I love the artistry of this thumbnail! This video, is just fascinating💕. I look forward to your further works on the Contagion Empath and thank you so much for your work on the empath series. Fabulous job done 💯💟
Fascinating and quite accurate, Skylark.
@@bunchhaus yes, it explains so much!
Depressingly accurate.
Just received my Empath Detector analysis back from HG. At 60% Contagion I can vouch for many of the things he describes here. His description here of how different types of narcissists respond to this school is quite accurate. The empath detector is very much worth the investment!
Is 60% majority? If so how high of a majority? I have a question to ask
High 5 🙌 I’m like 63% contagion 😅 It’s all very interesting, it’s so amazing having someone actually articulate all this.
100% contagion empath I am. When I did not know or understand what I was, it would affect me energetically and drain me, however as I evolved in my spiritual journey I have learned to protect my energy, yet still have the ability to feel other people's Joys and pains. One of the things that have happened to me historically is people will open up to me, practically strangers and they even question why they have done that as they have never done that with
No one else
'Anyone' else , Dear.
I can relate and scored 64%contagion on the empath detector.. I can imagine what you experience, and I also protect my energy.
HG just described a natural healer ❤ 😂
Once I learned that I was picking up other people’s emotions, I learned tools, antient rituals to help me control it.
This kind of power can be a curse, but one can create blessings when you learn how.
❤❤❤❤❤
It has been a revelation to me…. and sometimes l need to withdraw… due to the powerful… and power … that comes with them …
The more aware of myself I become, the more I can "turn down" my contagion aspect. I can filter it much better.
But the more I become aware and comfortable with myself, the more I keep attracting people (like a magnet). I cannot switch this off. Random people keep coming up to me and chatting to me about personal things.
Why is this happening?
She feels skinless every time she leaves the house. Where narcs see only black and white, she only sees shades of gray. She is color blind.
As always, thank-you HG
wow!! I was casually listening with my eyes closed and when you started describing it, my eyes popped wide open! I know when women are pregnant before they do because the color around them goes a weird green and people who are really sick are grey with sparkles. That's something I just DO NOT talk about because I discovered as a child that people think you are insane or, at the very least, think you are woo-woo out there. And crowds exhaust me. I haven't told anyone about it since childhood. To hear you say it blew my mind!!!! Also, children flock to me like crazy and little ones just plunk themselves down in my lap uninvited. I have to be very careful because people might think untoward thoughts. I have NEVER heard anyone else talk about it so matter of fact. I live out in the countryside with very few neighbors and I used to live on a sailboat so I could be more isolated, which people considered "anti-social". Wow, just wow!!!
👉This includes medical issues. Can also make one feel like a sin-eater. Awareness and frequent solitude & nature are antidotes.👈
I'm loving these empath series. Imagine how much time HG must have spent observing people and their interactions to have so much knowledge. I can picture him with a whisky on the rocks, quietly observing people and soaking it all in.
Thanks HG, for describing Empath categories.
"Fragmented Empath" might be a good fit for me.
I'd rather be a hermit, though. It's much easier!
I always notice a subtle devaluation or assertion for narc control at the very end of all of HG Tudor’s videos. Betrays the narcs inherent fragility.
Where does this cross the line into spirituality or the paranormal? For example, what is the difference between a contagion empath and a clairsentient psychic (one who psychically feels others’ emotions and even their physical pains) who has a history with narcissists [this would be me]? Or do you think it’s just semantics?
I often have to withdraw because I am overwhelmed, that’s actually a large part of why I stopped doing youtube. I think I am a super empath with the magnet cadre, from what I’ve learned from your channel so far; now evaluating contagion and I’m still watching the vid.
Would love to hear your thoughts!
Contagion was my majority outcome on my detector test, albeit I had strong co-dependent too. Hg has taught me so much about myself, as well as narcissism.
Wow, you are almost salivating over the thought of this one!
"..harder to break in terms of causing Negative Fuel to flow.."
Thanks again HG
Thank you HG ❤❤❤
I am grateful to you for making the two main videos on the Contagion Empath. I know that you reference them in other videos, but I am specifically referring to the two main ones.
I have talked with my wife about the experiences that I have in the main video, "The Contagion Empath". So, she is fully aware of them. I talked with her extensively about them, as we both were trying to figure out what was happening to me, and why it didn't seem to be happening to anyone else.
I let my wife know about experiences that I have, in your second video titled, "When the Contagion Empath Senses Darkness", when I realized that I needed to warn her of a particular danger that she was facing, yet unaware. The best way to make her aware of this danger, was to reveal to her how I had acquired the information. She absolutely believed me, because she knows my character. I was not concerned with whether or not she believed me, as long as she heeded my warning about the danger.
That said, I am grateful that you made such an accurate video of what I have told my wife that I experience. I just found your videos. I'm sorry that I had not found them earlier. They would have helped me greatly, as I was trying to make sense of things.
Most of the time I feel the presence of the demons, that you refer to as darkness. You verbatim explained the encounter the same way as I did to my wife. I will add just one thing, and (if I may) correct another.
Most of the time I feel the demons. I even feel like we are one in the same. Deep despair. They are demons, and not merely the deceased. I do see why people would come to that conclusion.
Often, they do take on the appearance of dead people. That is not always the case. In addition, I have seen some of them with my eyes. Most of the time, I just feel them. It really bothers my conscience. It feels as though I am them, and that is a weight that pulls me down. I do believe that feeling them is far worse than seeing them.
They are fully aware of my presence. They have spoken to me at times, and other times they tried to speak to me, but for some reason, they were blocked.
The information in your videos is extremely accurate. Even though you are a narcissist, you are still very much a person. Again, I want to thank you for your videos on Empaths and Narcissists. You are helping more people, then even a lot of empaths are willing to do.
Thank you for this one, and all the others HG.
I'm a standard with contagion and super.
I worked with those in crisis all my life and had little social life because it was too much on top.
Now I understand why.
I’ve seen a lot of questions and comments about why the Contagion can’t immediately spot a narcissist.
You don’t understand how soothing an aware narcissist can be to a contagion (at first). In a world of people transmitting a firestorm of feelings-piercing sorrow, aching loneliness, heavy depression-and grasping onto the contagion because their presence soothes and mirrors their own, a very high level narcissist will feel like a balm. You’d think you finally met the perfect one, the cooling lack of those complicated and messy emotions will allow you to feel like YOU for once. It’s like going from a concert with extremely loud music and flashing lights, to a meadow. All caused by this “amazing” person. You can hear your own thoughts for a while, be yourself, you don’t feel like someone else (temporarily). It could feel like coming home.
The FEELING of them fueled up (quite like a tick) is addictive and can easily be mistaken for feeling their joy and live. Triumph is hard to distinguish, especially when someone is in your ear telling you it’s love.
A low level narcissist is the easiest to pick out, that seething anger/jealousy/rage/emptiness will be easy to spot.
A mid-ranger, it depends. But it shouldn’t be too hard. They have less control over their narcissism, and aren’t usually great actors. The emptiness will seem like a blurry spot on the radar, don’t gaslight yourself into thinking your intuition is incorrect.
Anything higher, it’s like trying to catch a prism’s rainbow in your hands. Like a sensory gaslighting, like your radar is being scrambled.
My advice for contagions: trust your instincts. If you FEEL nothing, dig deeper. If you feel something that seems like love and devotion, make sure it feels like the same flavor. Although the best way to tell, albeit the most risky, is to open yourself up and examine how the “mirror” of yourself is reacting. Eventually it’ll come to you. If this person is any level of narcissist, they do have emotions. Sift through them. Can you also FEEL joy? Contentment? Happiness? Are you also reflecting it? If not, if you’re only picking up a certain segment of the usual emotional range BEWARE.
Don’t just believe the gestures, a clever narcissist can act like no tomorrow. FEEL like you know you can, and sense for the hollowness of those gestures.
Eventually, and somehow without realizing it, you’ll start to mirror the narcissist. That is not a path you want to go down.
Practice unfortunately makes perfect.
Now l feel l can bloom and blossom… without the downside…. of being overwhelmed… by it al …
I am a Christian…. a Holy Spirit… filled one…. since having experienced the freedom from the Narc … no contact regimen… as per your videos… coming out of the the fog of ET … l have must definitely regained my ability to feel and express healthy thoughts… feelings …. and emotions…. That had been under attack for years of abuse… Narc …. abuse….
Fascinating!
(Definitely going to have to relisten to these.)
You described how I am. I have never heard the process you call ‘contagion’ described or acknowledged before, especially the taking on of other’s negative emotions to process, giving them relief. I worked as an energy healer for a number of years but am now unable to as I started to take on other’s physical symptoms as well as emotions and it was happening automatically with people I came into contact with, not just clients. Both my parents are narcissists and my mother uses me to process her pain and ailments while my father resents the fact that I understand him and rejects my compassion aggressively. It’s taken me until middle age to work this out for myself and start to learn how to manage it better in a way that is healthy for me. It’s really hard!
I hope you do more videos on this HG, even though it’s bizarre receiving validation from a narcissist.
I know! it does feel good to have this validated! I sometimes cringe a bit at people giving psychological ‘advice’ saying how ‘’you can’t mind read’’ or ‘’needing to figure out someone is just a coping mechanism’’ and although I agree with it to an extent, it fails to acknowledge the accuracy of how a contagion empath can genuinely suss out a situation, or viscerally feel another persons intention. I don’t think that is a coping mechanism, I think it’s a valuable and unique characteristic that we should learn to utilise to our advantage. 😎
I think I have very much of contagion empath in me.
I used to think I was so much less than others but you of all ,have made me realize I am special rare and precious
Here to keep learning! ❤
Kiitos paljon HG Tudor. Odotus on palkittu ja elämä on mennyt eteenpäin.
Absolutely fabulous!!! 🖤🖤 Thank you HG!
Hey thanks for the gross blast from the past. I vomited for a while, shivered, and then I laughed.
And then I read the gushing comments and vomited again.
Great times.
I feel so extreme I also vomit
Dear HG❤ your work is astounding….👏👏👏👏
I am so glad you posted this. I am majority contagion after taking the test and find it very relatable.
So in order …. to process … the new found healthy emotions and feelings which have been stifled for many years… due to extreme abuse… l have found it helpful to withdraw for short periods…and it has been most helpful to keep and stay balanced in this area…
Wow. I took the empath detector, and I have contagion as a minority element. This sort of explains why I'm so drawn to formal Buddhist retreats.
I really enjoy the ability to escape from the noise of other people's emotions.
I can enjoy all the good things this life has to offer…❤
NEVER CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE!!!
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Pure brilliance HG !
This is why LMRSOMATIC was upset by my ability to sense his emptiness as nothing, no output from him, he called me crazy for telling him I felt nothing from him, just a dark pit.
My parent is a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies, and it says it can see auras- it complains that mine is 'too clean' lol I thought my parent was just getting age-related sight problems that can cause auras in the field of vision. Empaths are psychic- that's why they pick up on things- it's not because they want to be all feelers- they just are. My parent hates me because I am a 'good person'- I must make its skin crawl. Nobody's perfect.
Wonder if this is why I can't eat animals and carefully let bugs out of the house. I feel what they go through when they are trapped, etc.?? 😢
You're a good person, every little life matters ❤
An interesting aspect of this is it appears at least to me that Middle-range Narcissists pretend to be Empaths in this exact way. Even though not self-aware or much so, their natural Narcissist predation tendency and skill set give them the same data as the Empath receives. Armed with this, the Narcissist of the Middle-range can easily pretend to be an Empath which as HG Tudor points out is a common delusion for them. Essentially any Narcissist Upper Lesser (A only) and above has the ability to play Empath for this reason.
Given the above it explains why here in the States when Psychology exploded as an Undergraduate Major and profession in general, the students and later practitioners turned out to be a group of Narcissists who were impressed with their "Empathic" ability and reveled in their assumed state of superiority over other people by having insight into them. The profession has always had this as an issue. It was merely interesting and useful with so many examples to validate that it would be a magnet for Narcissists unconsciously (mostly) using their manipulative tools to work in the profession under a cover of being socially perceived caring and good people. When not actively having a distaste for them, I would actually find most of the specimens pathetic, the others at best contemptible.
One wonders something. I have some Contagion traits as an Empath. It seems that an Empath can use his sensitivity the same way which a Narcissist can to "read" people and could learn to be more like the Narcissist. Without realizing what it was all about, roughly twenty-five years ago I developed a disgust with what would later be labeled by HG Tudor the Middle-range Narcissists. I actually started to enjoy using and abusing them, especially those who played at being Empathic or Empaths. It was like my Empathic skill-set was linked with the learned (a hard lesson) in some cases and sensed in others that these people, the Middle-range, were not human like me and only functioning in a lie. As an Empath they offended my world view and did not have a right to exist let alone experience they joys and satisfactions. My Empathic Nature would like a switch turn off, yet i could sense so much about them. Yes, as an Empath occasionally did not like myself for what i was doing but resolved that by figuring "just deserts" for everything which I KNEW that they had done to people. Some who had been screwed by specimens of them or observed their ways found my antics and callous disregard for their "feelings" amusing. Yes, Empaths are not angels, and I have taken the tests and been tested to prove as one.
It can be draining to do this as an occupation or serious hobby until one learns to emotionally detach. It is probably not the safest of activities and probably a risk to become addicting if one is not careful. Personally I have found it better to convert to this model if one slips by my senses and is in my life for some reason. Even then, it is better to simply leave. A useful technique for me is to refer to them as "it", removing any sense that they are human. This is useful and only appropriate and ethical for the not Self-Aware specimens. The mentality is that they are a type of robot with mildly functional AI. One cannot be held accountable for harming a machine.
Wow, thought I was mainly a super with highly tuned intuition. Not anymore. Always learning thank you HG.
First.. I'm not a Contagion Empath, but I went to Vegas a few years ago. I found it so difficult. Walking into a casino, all is good, suddenly you feel like crying, or angry, or excited. No reason, just everything would change. It was pretty overwhelming at times. You would look around and see people in distress or angry, but you couldn't do anything in that environment. It was rough.
Good video, HG.
Thank You HG!! I'm wondering, do comedians also have some Contagion Empathy as their goal is to make people laugh about serious situations that might even help them solve their own problems later or remove the stress of something by showing people the hilarious side of serious situations that everyone has no control over OR feels helpless to remedy. Sometimes by laughing it minimizes the size and lowers the weight of a situation. OR it helps people see the "other side" of a situation that is approachable. Thank You. PS I needed to listen to this twice because there is so much here to listen to.
That’s interesting. I’d say some comedians are, and other comedians could be narcissists who basically have the nerve to say certain things because they feel free and entitled. Lol Which I do equally enjoy 😅. As a contagion empath myself, I do find I am able to see the humour in things a lot and I am often able to make people laugh in conversation due to my intuitive abilities 😜. I would definitely say some comedians are that way too. But yeah, I’d say it’s a mixed bag overall.
Thank you for being very clear. This was very interesting.
It has been an almighty battle… exhausting and depleting in every way… undiscribable … other worldly… in many ways ..
It’s interesting…. HG❤
Since my ongoing recovery ❤️🩹 from the Narcissist l was entangled with…. I have a strong sense on this contagion aspect that you are highlighting here in this video…
Welp. You nailed me on this one too - I have none of it!
I think this form of empath is put in all of us. I feel we were Created by God to be able to seek peace and get away from noise. We have ruined this for ourselselves We have to line up to buy food, see a movie etc. we paved everything. We have terrible floods because there’s no place for water to drain off. Everyone has road rage. I realize most people think they want to be where all the action is but makes us crazy.
There is a problem with a narcissistic psychopath who prays on empaths offering an “empath detector”. Don’t train the beast to hunt you.
Too late.
He is already a hunter extraordinaire.
Although possible its highly unlikely, it's a very diifcult task, the narcissist plays on a very unfair field, most of time they are playing with other narcs and are surrounded with flying monkeys, it's not hard to outwit them and get them to crack but the battle leads most of the time to violence, these people almost always have a high status in society, engaging in a battle could end you in prison or even dead, still it doesn't mean they are undefeatable, you have to be real witty though.
When your wavering mother, who knows you best, has reviewed your empath/trait detector outcome and has listened to the analysis of each school and cadre represented in this calculus, renders the results incontrovertible.
So impressed by the precision of her daughter’s outcome, mom now wants to take an ED. 😬
Highly accurate.
But l am glad to say …. I have the victory…. no longer a victim….The Lord God … has been my guide … and you HG❤ have been by my side….
Transmuting negative feelings of others.
I realised I was this when I was 9 years old.
when I was a child and coming down with an illness, I would cry about someone who was hurting, ie a teacher that was not getting respect. I used to feel that with my ex, I would take on his pain and worry. He would happily give it to me so he didn't have to deal with it anymore. I would take it on as if it was my own pain and try to heal it.
When you were playing with barbie dolls?
@@mrsmallpinky9041 you clearly don't know my childhood
I have a high majority in this school per the Empath Detector. I am looking forward to hearing more about this from HG.
Can I ask what your percentages were? I have a question to ask
@@triplejmom7826 almost 70%
Yes right didn’t know there is a name for this.
Thanks HG tudor
Sounds like me... This has been a great series. Thanks so much for your work. ❤
I must say, HG really contributes to my self-awareness. Thank you!
I wonder if empaths types can be related to astrological signs... Contagion empaths sound very much like the cancer energy - emotionally receptive, intuitive, psychic, feeling the aura of people and spaces, great emotional awareness, quickly overburdened to the point of being depressed...
Possibly, I mean any of the water signs are good candidates, as the water signs are emotional. Pisces may be an even better example, as Pisces rules the 12th house and they both govern the collective and in their exaltation, universal love. Human Design also reveals the ultimate empath, which may be a Reflector (1% of the population), with a completely open bodygraph, being the ultimate mirror to their environment. Another Human Design example would be someone with a completely open emotional center/Solar Plexus, meaning they literally feel the people and environment around them.
I am a cancer (water sign) and took the test and have contagion. I have felt this since I was a young child.
My Geyser and Contagion works together with me , didn't realize that was what was going on with me, makes sense why I thought my percentages were different. Thanks HG xx
Can I ask what your percentages are? I’m contagion & geyser too.
@@triplejmom7826 Sorry, I was instructed not to give my percentages anymore by HG.
16 minutes, 16 seconds, 999 views, 6 hours ago.
I have to listen again
Visits to my late Mother were extremely draining for me. Explains the Contagion aspect of my Empath detector results.
Hey HG, where to autistic folks fall into this? Do you include their different ways of processing empathy into account with these categories, or do they fall into their own category altogether?
Yay! That’s me 🥰🥰🥰🥰
so the empaths follow a similar “fuel matrix” as far as the number of people they are empathizing for. the codependent is empathizing for one person usually as in the narcissist. and the contagion is the “greater” in a sense that they empathize with everyone.
For my teacher HG❤Tudor 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🥀
Creepy much?
It's interesting with animals (more of my volonteering information xD but I appreaciate greaters being able to hear it, especially when they don't like/see the use of animals). I KNOW what it's like when a cat or a dog chews, gnaws, at something and is being driven. When a cat runs by, I know her. It's hungry, afraid, it's senses burn, when t's catching a bug it's singular, the sleep catches up, the hunger wakes you up from the sleep, the nature makes you run in circles... There are descriptins in fiction, i.e. when Arya Stark becomes a wolf and has "wolf dreams".
Now that you say that, I see another element of myself. Just hadn't thought about it as something different with animals. I always thought, " Well, it's a living creature, of Course I know when it's hungry or scared or lost.". People have asked me all my life how I know so accurately what an animal needs. I just wondered how they couldn't!! Then I'd think of my shut-down Narc parents who refuse to know what another needs even if she names it and begs.l, and then I know the answer to THAT question! 🤣
@@sunnyadams5842 YES, exactly, I thought everyone else surely recognize that a living being is scared, hungry and/or lost! xD And yes, my shut down parents were also blind to those things. That reminds me of an earlier generation of parents/grandparents who would, some of them at least, take children into the woods and leave them there to find their own way home. The thing with animals is that it's that visceral, wild, the smells, the sounds... like when your ears are ringing, when you're feverish...
I think my anxiety is like my spidey senses if I am a contagion and shit sucks bc anxiety sucks.
I got a panic attack otw to my narc ex’s house and the last thing I wanted him to see was me in that state.
I had to slap my face and gaslight myself 🫠
I’m currently 1 week no contact.
HG you are describing a transmutation
I'm resonating with this description a little too much. I guess I should take HG's empath detector to verify which empath I am. I realized some years back that I feel the emotions of others at a visceral level. It can be a curse.
2 years he tried, I knew he was pariah… I felt it and ran 🏃🏽♀️ and he wouldn’t let up. It took 4 months for him to start with the devaluation, I was shocked! Appalled! Disgusted, and then left. No contact, before any name calling, belittling etc, I felt suffering and asked him “would you have me suffer?” No answer. I feel deeply, I’m a counselor and nurse😂 I feel so cliche about my work
My sisters always are fascinated at how “I can give people exactly what they need” it’s because I feel them. But trauma I think has led me to have dark triad traits. I love ❤️ that😈 I feel rather invincible. I mourned him, I see his end. It’s sad 😞I escaped, I did give an explanation and he immediately says “when can I come see you” I said Senator don’t bother. You’re dead 💀 to me, “you tried to break my soul?”😂 I kept saying that. I never said narcissist, it’s like I didn’t have to.
How do your categories relate to Myers Briggs personality types? Example would be an INFJ and their strong empathetic traits which seem similar to the contagion empath.
Hmm interesting I'm high contagion and INFP
I’m not really sure what I am. I do know I am highly empathetic and ENFP.
My comment did not help this at all. LOL.
NOPE just kidding I am a contagion empath forsure. Now I can answer. It’s probably the intuitive feeling That we all have in common. Just like you, me, and the INFP that also commented.
The first and last functions are more focused on physical actions so it can be different but we all share similar inner mindset (bc the NF comes more from the mind/our inner values)
INTJ's are often called emotionless but I am 76% contagion empath
@@Itsbiancabitchh you’re probably really smart and you’re cognitive empathy is really high
Very interesting these empath series even if I'm not into this "aura" stuff.I don't really believe these things.
Personally I wouln't consider myself as an empath because even if I have very strong empathic traits I am not guided by my emotional empathy but I'm trying to act throught logic.Even if there was a kind of attraction/addiction for the narcissist I think that this is vanished the last years and even if I have a caring nature I have to admit that as I'm growing up I am just looking my own bussiness.
Althought I would like to say something about the types of empaths HG. You categorize empaths throught their narcissistic traits(super),their caring nature,their addiction,their sensitivity but not throught their emotional intelligence. For exable you are the ultra because of your intelligence and your awareness and so do the greaters.
I hate being this. The closest example to the Heyoka, they can reflect your own energy back to you. The walking mirror. The average person thinks they know vibes but they don't know how much this empath feels it. Energy transfer is real. An evolved narcissist will scan you energetically to read you. An evolved empath has to recharge a lot, touch grass and be near water and all that because we are sponges. I have to salt bath daily. It's a blessing and a curse and I'm learned that the love coming from a narc is so damn fake. They're hollow inside. If you're a contagion you get it. If you're from the states, check your native American heritage, Cherokee are like this.
I have clarity…. I can discern…. Evil 👿