EXCLUSIVE : Ramzzy's Public Break-up, Fatherhood and More : PART ONE S1:EP7
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The one and only Ramzzy joins us today to reflect on the separation from his partner two years on. He talks about fatherhood, healing and moving on.
You can easily tell who got left here. It was never 50/50 as alleged. Man is salty AF...
Find a way to get over that.
"Dont introduce men I dont know, to my kids" a man who got introduced to another man's child giving rules. Life is khaaard out here.
I see you're subscribed to Kibe but haven't learned a thing.
👉🏾When Rammzy was introduced to the kids, it was their father's responsibility to set that boundary. He didn't.
👉🏾Rammzy is the captain now. He has set his boundary. Your feelings on what a next man does to protect his family are irrelevant.
👉🏾Educate yourself.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect#:~:text=In%20evolutionary%20psychology%2C%20the%20Cinderella,by%20her%20stepsisters%20and%20stepmother.
👉🏾you're outchea white knighting and simping. Tuck your shit in.
Like make it make sense 😂
@@wanguigrace2957😊😊
He definitely lacks couth
But the father of the kid was present and they met. Also it's the same rule for him. He is not bringing women near his kids. Some level of responsibility
An example of a mature breakup & he’s out here sub tweeting on twitter, doing interviews while the other party has remained quiet? The only person handling this maturely is Shiko tbh you don’t owe the world a single explanation unless you’re being paid for these interviews.. he may not have said foul things about her but there’s strong insinuation of disrespect..
I totally agree on the subtle undertones of disrespect....'he left all his hoes for a woman with a child....' he says she should have learnt from her first divorce as she is a divorcee...the subtle digs at her are lethal and goes to show how he really feels about her and women in general...
Butbwhy should we expect people to keep quiet because the other party is quiet? They are their own person's buana not subject to each other's choices.the only thing I agree on are the subtle hints of disrespect. Mkuachana huna right ya kuexpect that mhandle things the same
@@muriukiwanja1181 "..and women in general..". We don't do that here, we're way beyond sensationalism😉 Also, its his side of the story, its his POV, he is holding a candid conversation about how he feels. Allow the man to be selfish and honestly express himself. If the other party is given a platform, we also allow them to be selfish and express themselves honestly.
@@alerncheruiyot344 wasn't looking for sensationalism. There are ways he could have said he did not get along with her without making it look like he diluted his masculinity or did her favour by being with a single mum and more so a divorcee. Delivery is everything...and if the lady in question had responded as he had my feedback would have been the same.
@@muriukiwanja1181 I get it, but I'll ask you again, he is telling his side of the story as it is. Why do you feel like he needs to adjust his views and deliver them in a way YOU feel it's correct, yet it's how he feels? Sijui kama unanielewa😅😊
Choose your partners wisely, kids!
Totally agree 😳😳😳.
It's a little cringe how y'all talk about women - hoes, logic etc.
Would love this conversation with a bit more maturity and objectivity from the host.
Healing to everyone going through this. It's crucial we understand the way the men or women we commit to view relationships and the other sex.
But you are sanctioning the same things the men are trying to highlight about how they are different with particular reference to the logic part. That is basic science and it's a part that most women need to harness so they communicate better same way men need to learn to master their emotions but everytime men say it they are castigated for it.
Yes the language should be watched but the facts should remain
Rama referring to women as h*es? Guess he is back to his 2012 self.
Wueh
😂😂😂😂
I gave her everything 😢😮bro she has 2of your kids,you gave them to your kids weeh mungu wangu not these kind of men nowonder they separated, the lady is something else too 😮
Not to mention,in her podcast with Mike mondo,she says that SHE had to start from scratch..there’s 2sides and the truth kinda vibes.
So many parts of this conversation made me very uncomfortable. It felt like I was listening in on a conversation between boys at a bar. A lot of ego, emotional immaturity but oh well!
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Wekeleeni leo
They are cooking home boy on Twittee
Iko gwapi?
Its wednesday already. 0200 hrs
@@MajorMaina_M who is? Why?
It's Wednesday already
This guy in the ripped jeans, yikes😬 just no.
Exactly 💯
Yup, agreed!!
Hemorrhaging F boy vibes.
Big no
A big no...
The way he views women and talks about them, no no no,...Men always speak the truth, but women fail to listen, just listen to that guy speak, issa no...
Preach!
Just found myself responding to your comment with "A big no", out loud.😂 He is a mix of amerix na nai boys babied by their parents. Pure toxicity together with the guy in torn trousers. And the lady, oh the lady. She's the typical understanding girlfriend that clearly has suffered 😭
I got that vibe as well..
Did you watch the entire video guys? He's being real take it or leave it
@@marthakaronga6352 we done left it child. Didn't you read the comment?
“You didn’t chipo? You’re a better man than me” Ew 🤢
100% Euuwww 🤢
Seriously Rama??? Style up!!! Saying Ciku should have learnt from the first time ??? Shame on you and all you women praising him , remember Ciku has never chased clout with this thing , SHAME ON YOU RAMA, respect Ciku
So disappointing. Good thing Shiko left and has moved on. The only thing that Shiko said is how she had lost weight from the heart break.
Mnaanza podcast bila context nkt. Mnaongea nikama tunajua what happened
The way he easily calls women hoes... very sad!
Nah you're just sensitive
@kenprince4629 Am I? How about I call your daughter, sister or mother that and we'll see who is sensitive?
I just commented on that. But he may he may have been with actual sexual workers.
@@wanjiruannemungai7712You don't know who those women are/were. They could be real life hos.
Dropped all my ho*s for a single mom. Wild! Can't believe he is talking about Shiko and Ella like this. I wish him healing and I hope Shiko maintains her silence and doesn't reply back to this mes. Eh dunia!!
I hear him calling Ella his daughter then goes behind her backhand says he can't provide and pay school fees for another man's child? How is Ella his daughter then?
Ella should be grateful to Ramzy.Shiko to be blamed.
Kwani hamjui jokes? 🤣🤣🤣Focus on the whole conversation and not just the part of it that you do not like.
I know right! I wish he spared that part. That little girl will watch this some day and it will break her heart.
@@janengugi5587I know, right!
Dude is a walking red flag....I am not absolving the mama since I do not know the intricacies....but based on this interview...naaah bro😮
Ramzzy in the middle of talking about how his son was affected and the LEGEND interrupts, "but lemme ask you, how did it affect you ?" 😂😂 KINGS
Stay toxic 😂
😂 the comment I was looking for
🤣🤣🤣
Legend!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Was he even listening???
May God remember Shiku and bless her in way no one can explain. Shiku keep focusing on you. They will talk only for awhile and get over it.
And God did🎉
“It takes a lot for me mentally and emotionally to be here “ men😂 don’t have kids if that’s your mentality. Expecting to be praised for being available to your own kids is insane😂🥴 heh
Straight from KOX.
I'm not sure if Rama demeaned Shiko or he's immature or the interviewers ndio wamechapa but they all seem like they have a lot of issues to heal and work on.
Redflag is trying to brag about the young babes, hitting and logical women 😂 Weuh. Heal guys. Sio mchezo this journey. Speak to older men and women
True, it is so disappointing such guys have a podcast, and the guy interviewing Rama is next level toxic
Word!!!! 👏🏾👏🏾
That single mum part, we need to understand that it never means that she is less or requires less or will demand less as compared to one without kids. Realistically speaking, her demands and expectations be more because you already found her a parent. She is already with responsibilities so she is definitely thinking different and I think that is the part men find hard adjusting to, like getting in a relationship and you have to like immediately pay schoolfees or start parenting immediately etc.
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This podcast has aloooot of potential to bloom in regards to helping navigate coparenting, but it would be great if conversations are had with maturity, respect and more advice and what to do and what not to do than rather asking personal questions that help nothing .
It can't thanks to the hosts
They need to know what happened, hence the personal q’s
Hats off for you guys,
Stumbled upon this after a huge fight with my ex-partner which ended being a police case. Co-parenting is for very mature people
Sorry to hear that. We love that you're here now ❤️
Coparenting is 🙆it needs a very strong minded you have to put your feelings aside coz weeeh
I dropped all the hoes for a single mum, huyu dame: hihihiiii😮😮😢
😂😂😂😂heh
Ramzzy is a reasonable guy, its unfortunate that the separation happened. You could sit down and reason with him and have a meeting of the minds.
First of all...Shiko needs therapy! May God be there for her and her adorable kids always. May God prosper the works of her hands and expand her territories,to give her kids the best life. In the mean time,Holy Ghost fire burn the tongues of these two immature men.Amen.
Faya bon!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 smh
Ameen😂🎉
😂😂😂hold up
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Shiko deserves better.
Rammzy deserves much better
Rammzy deserves better
“Most women are not logical,you are” and the woman is just there giggling because of validation from an ex or whatever you guys are. So many negative things being said about women in this podcast . Also Rama is crying oh negative comments ,these comments are nothing compared to how your fellow men are cooking you on Twitter lol
Still it changes nothing, he pained man, man has the capacity to push people to be nasty, the only difference is Rama is being painfully raw on a public social platform. Pretty sure by the time he said yes to this, he knew what would unfold.
Also Chim telling the mother of his kids that she is logical and it has taken her time to get there and that most women are not logical is not disrespectful it's the Truth, a natural truth, it's not supposed to shame anyone, it was supposed to shed light. He also touched on how men miss the emotional aspect creating a source of conflict and how he has learned that part from his co parent. Raw conversations are not always disrespectful sometimes our perspectives and thought process is what leads us to concluding something was said in disrespect
Indeed. The fallacy that men are automatically logical is laughable. Most men are not logical either hence why the Kibes and Amerixes thrive. There are individuals that are more logically and emotionally intelligent and there are those that are not.
I see no lies ,most women are not logical
Funny but i never thought Rama and shiku were a good march. Their relationship seemed off.
It couldn't work. None of them came from a healthy family background. He hasn't grown up with a father and her mother passed on kitambo. They should have dated more and got therapy before having kids. It was clear from the beginning this wouldn't last.
They were a mismatch, shiku deserved better interms of maturity, noting that she was older than ramzzy
@@IrenesConciergenow a parent dying is an unhealthy home? Mnavutanga bhangi baridi sana.
@@surpeleisurpelei7501😂😂😂😭😭😭
@surpeleisurpelei7501 . Not necessarily unhealthy, but it can put your life on a negative trajectory!
This was wholesome in every way. Important conversation especially hearing from the men themselves. There were instances i felt though that the host shut down the men especially when they were trying to explain how they felt in certain instances. She also completed thoughts for them which is not always the nicest thing to do. Kindly check on that, let the guest tell their stories , share their opinions without rushing them a]or completing their thoughts for them. waiting for part 2
Thank you for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it!
This is really good criticism. Thank you.
Ramzzy, you guy 👏👍... accepting and being accountable is on another level of maturity. Many will say negative things but for sure you're doing what's best for you same to mama Ella... we as woman like to play the blame game not knowing what will happen next
Agreed 💯 He spoke his truth.
No. he is not what we look" for "
I love hearing men speak this honestly so that I can take more seconds each day to fear them 😂😂
Episode was🔥
🤣🤣 Happy you are here. Feel at home ❤️
How are guys missing the part where he said "that's one of the reasond why I broke up..."
Awesome episode. The patterns on the curtain made me dizzy 😅😅. Maybe something simpler next time?
The idea was to hypnotize you. Did it work? Have you subscribed?
😂😂😂😂 you made my day any next time don’t stare play it in the background 😂
Rama has helped me fill the missing link...Egocentric 😂😂😂😂oh my!!! Now makes sense 😂😂! Shiku alikuwa na nguvu!!
Wait until you listen to Mike and Shikus podcast and you find out Rama was also violent 😢.
@wanjirus4809 that's what I meant by saying Shiku had strength. The ego on show and display here is alarming
My two cents for Rammzy.....this is not the best platform for exercising freedom of speech esp on personal matters....ur adding a nail to the coffin...details achia therapist or maboys....for ur sake, the kids n ex...less is more...esp if ur trying to get to a place where you can be cordial.
Talk about red flags 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 how he speaks about the mother of his children says it all. I am one of those that admired him. But listening to his point of view, he should have never had kids with a single mum. She doesn't deserve him.
Oh noo and the way Ella had bonded with you, all that will be undone by what you have said. Ati I ain't taking care of a child that's not mine and the only reason you gave Shiko a chance was coz u didn't have to pay for her 😢
That part!
Bonding with her doesn't mean that he should automatically assume the responsibilities of her real dad.
@@felliesweetiethe real dad is present
So Ella is not dadless. She has a dad
Her father is present in her life
I know, very immature comments from him 😮
😂😂😂😂 yea, this was a downgrade to Shiko.
Wah🙊like, this is a pure nai f boy. No man here.
And why is the guy so psyched up for Ramas sexual escapeds, almost like he fancies him
😂😂😂
They look like fools.
Very candid conversation.. Very important in this time and day.. The fact the host is there with her ex at peace with their journey shows alot maturity.. really good content
Sooo glad you're here!
Rama aliachwa mombasa ka jini sai ako bitter
😂😂😂😂😂ati ?.
😂😂😂😂😂 eei
😂😂😂😂😂
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😭🤣🤣🤣
This was so raw and authentic. Godbless you Rama
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Shiko you are a great girl juu weeh! !,you are a strong girl
But she's the one who messed their relationship?😂
@@oliverosir7650madem are their worst enemies.
The guy in blue hat is trying so hard to be a bad boy and thuggish and show offs
Am conflicted on shiku and rama issue,seems Rama is enjoying the new season of getting attention from the babes,side chicks,ho*s and sinhle mothers,its saf but hope he gets well
M(27) I gotta respect the honesty of this conversation: Rammzy seems very comfortable and open; and man the articulation of ideas by the whole panel is outstanding.
Wait till you watch Part 2! 😍
This is really dope . More often than not, men bottle their pain and hurt.
Thank you for the vulnerability.
We love to see it!
I'm not here to say who of the two was wrong. My guess is 50% to each of them. BUT. Ladies, DO NOT PLAY HOUSE WITH ANY MAN. It always ends in tears. If he's not ready to put a ring on it, leave him where you found him. And save yourself heartache.
I would like to hear him expound on "missing milestones as a reason for break-up."
I think he means his personal milestones, like his achievements.
I hope he responds to this.
@@meddeck let me tag him just incase @RamaRamzZy
"your not like other women"
host: "🤣🤣🤣🤣"
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'Animosity ' is the word
Moral of the story..NEVER START 1-0
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😂😂😂😂😂😂tuneskia chairman
Hata ukianza 0-0, there is no guarantee your second or third born won't be from an away match. Hali ya maisha.
@@surpeleisurpelei7501 I'll take the bet than be an effeminate man to take care of another man's baggage
This is a great convo. Kudos Rama on opening up.
Main take away: "Dont get kids"
That lady aamke with a cease and desist.
Look , love Rama and love Shiko and wish them all the best . It is unfortunate the relationship failed. There's absolutely a pattern with Shiko , I really hope she takes the time to herself before rushing into another situation, it is terrible for the kids especially the daughter who has gone through this twice now . Rama as calm as you come across , feels like there is still much healing to do , particularly how you view women , you are disparaging in some of your utterances , can't help but think Shiko must have experienced this attitude in some form or another. As for the host today , she is still got unresolved anger , she could barely look her ex in the eye and carried on the interview like he wasn't there . Phew ! dramaz!!!
Can't wait for Part 2 next week! This was fire 🔥
Same boat sis 🔥🔥🔥
I really wish we could view co parenting from a mature point of view.
I have seen baby daddies who only want to be in the kid(s) picture if they still have sex with the baby mama and I have also seen baby mamas who only allow dads to be in the kid (s) children if they send money. Otherwise they use the children as a weapon against these men and it gets worse when the man moves on to marry and have a solid family.
May God favour us..
Ramzy is quite mature with his co-parenting reasoning.
That moving out part was really funny
😂😂😂
How I loved the Calabash...i miss you guys.May God lead you in this different path
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I loved them too❤
Why is she laughing when he said that he dated a single mom
I am listening to the Crib Sheet podcast episode ya @RamzZy_ and I'm drawing parallels from their break up. I'm getttinf to appreciate my own jus the way he did. Takes a lot kukubali whatever happened and how far back it pulls you. What matters ni kurise tena.
My Tweet after listening. Wekeleeni part 2 soom
Iko jikoni ina come 😉
@@TheCribSheet sasawa
Thanks guys for being vulnerable.I learnt alot.
Thank you for being here 😃
Thoroughly enjoyed the conversation 🎉
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Lakini Mr.Calabash si pia we ulikua uncle uncle when you first met Ella eeh hii itakua ngumu
But Ella's dad knew him. They had met
Definitely seen a side of Rama that I definitely didn’t see all along.
Daaaamn Rama!!! Ati i thought you learnt something the first time😮
The interview is biased and not handled in a mature way. Rama, if u had money to buy a car, u would have done it before. Buying gas cooker, beds after separation cannot stop you from purchasing a car😂😂😂
Wueh 👀 ☕
And it's been like 2 years since, kwani bado he hasn't bounced back financially to afford a car???!! Blame-game and excuses tu. Shiko underwent the same transition and she was able to sell her old manual car and upgrade hadi. He is being trashy by using disparaging utterances on Shiko
The Green Calabash was close to be a Netflix adaptation.
😊😊😊
I loved that Channel...
The podcast had a potential to be very impactful...But the guys threw in alot of shade on women...its like the othr guy wanted some one to validate his behaviours...Th woman here was jst giggling yet the guys were being disrespctful...thre is alot of healing that needs to happen to Rama...cz he is salty af...There is sth off with this panelist as a whole..but the conversation would have been great..I wish there was a 4th person to kind of moderate the conva...Idc I kinda loved some bit of it but..somehow...between lines..there is sth jst wrong
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First time watching you guys and I’m in love with your channel❤
We love you too!! 😭
It should be obvious to you as a father that provision is your responsibility. It has nothing to do with the mother of your children. You shouldn’t even be shocked that it’s required of you.
Thank you for your feedback 🤔
Correction shiku is still hot
I wish kenyan men would adopt the loss of relationship not to meanthe discard of ur kids!!
Provide and make time for these kids for real
Ramzy may be a good dad but i kid u not shiku left with enough reasons😊
Tell us more
What are the reasons?
Wale mashangingi wa toxic ambao huwachwa na wana blame it on the ex 100% ndio wako hapa waki ongea mbaya juu ya Ramah and what he has said. He stood tall for his ex and himself and showed no ill will and disrespect to his baby mama! Listen to his words, see his body language and compare it to the co-hosts's (the dude) and see that these are men at two very different levels of maturity when it comes to responsibility and parenthood!
This whole episode is 🗑 🚮. U can feel that the man was the problem. How would u love someone but not step up to be a father to the child she had before you n u have agreed to come together in a marriage.secondly throw a bash immediately ? Thirdly, why would u feel bad for helping out the mother of ur kids together wt ur kids with basic material needs. Alot of growing up to do. I pity whoever dates this man.
He doesn't know where the remorse frm ex stems frm. U up n left the lady wt 2,3 kids? Shame!!!!! Again why is the host laughing every damn min ?
Women let's just be mindful not to overlook the redflags in men who aren't raised right.
Small unsolicited advice: Never pick a side in a story you were not a participant nor witness to. I was not the first one to break up with her and you will never know why she has 3 kids from 2 baby daddies in a span of 15yrs. Your ilk keep asking me questions and projecting things you can get answers for if you ask her or think for yourself.
A man is allowed to enter into a relationship of his choosing. If he wants to date a woman with a kid who is provided for by her own biological father then that’s his preference. He also said he had a party, basically hung out with his friends because he didn’t want to be alone after his family left. And he clearly let the woman leave with all the furniture and provides for his kids. He’s a solid guy all I see is projecting.
I’d rather a man tell me he prefers the kid I’m coming with keeps being provided for by her own bio dad than have him resentful over the fact that he’s being made to pick up the tab. Some men would gladly do it, others won’t and both are totally fine.
Ahh yaani you even have an ideal way someone should spend their day after a partner moves out. You are toxic and controlling.
You still have time to delete this vapid take.
You're projecting your anger at your life on the wrong people. You watched the entire episode and came to this conclusion? Comprehension must not be a strong suit of yours.
How can such a skinny guy threaten anyone with violence? Even his woman told him to check himself 😂😂😂😂😂😂
No wonder mnakua cooked pale twitter . Buana huyu ameita exes wake HOES 😂😂😂😂
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Dope episode. I would also love to hear the other side of the coin. Gives perspective of both sides.
Huyu dame anakaa kama Karen nyamu ama ni mimi tu naona
At least they didn’t publicly shoot at each other like Frankie
What does she mean in the beginning ati " I cant say that right now?" weird...
One Rule gone wrong 😂... Mike Mūndū 😂
😭😭 Wueh!!
But the male host is dressed for a Zoom meeting. Decent on top and disaster at the bottom
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This podcast is the realest ❤
Welcome! Glad you are here!
"Men, there are no rules for being a "real man". Anyone who tells you that is trying to control you. There are as many healthy valid versions of masculinity as there are men to perform them. Millions of masulinities, in fact. Create/find/evolve the one that's right for you." Mark Green @remakingmanhood
Ok Pickmeisha
@Stephie77 outside of the jab you've thrown, do you have a coherent criticism of what she said? Or is it all just bad mind energy?
@@ChimObiajulu who are you addressing coz I’m sure as he’ll know I’m not it
@@Stephie77 then why did you respond?
It's commendable that the guys are being real. However, being real shouldn't be mingled with bad language. Also to refer to the delusion they mentioned. . .they are themselves delusioned that a child is not insightful enough to know that the parents are actually separated, and no longer a couple; not that they just live where they do because of work. In all, though candid. . . maturity with honour still evades the two gentlemen.
That "Hell no!..." @17:58 was kinda too loud though, you can see the dude got that stomach sinking kind of feeling when you realize she is actually gone🙂
😂😂 maze. Anajiconsole na we are good friends
@@gachanja she doesn''t think so at all😃, if you watch keenly she is really dismissing most of the things he tries to argue out and she goes out of her way to affirm Rama's POV. Its a polite, si unyamaze tu wasee wengine wabonge....not nice🙂
Huyu jamaa alikuwa amewekwa no wonder dem aliMove out na kula kitu
Yet he managed to bounce back immediately 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@HardlyTalk😂😂😂
Noma sana. Great guy. Would love to hear Shiku's side.
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Don't ignore Shiku's side part
Now i see why you and Shiko broke up.Wow .I never saw this side of Ramah.Disgusting
The vibe on this podcast is good. Nice conversations
Pull up a chair and feel at home ❤️
could we get a part 3? Seeing that Shiko is now engaged, and with Rama saying he wouldn't allow his kids to meet a man he doesn't know etc...i'd like to know what the dynamics are for him (Rama) now...this podcast exudes negative vibes through and through...this chic giggling is so annoying...also, the dude is living vicariously through Rama when he talks about vetting 'hoes', telling Rama he's a better man than him coz he didn't 'chipo' a chic after the break-up...there's a lot going on here!
Maneno ya watu wawili huwa ngumu😂 hata yangu inanishinda😂 I can't judge him or Shiku break up sio mchezo
This lady here, please never do an interview gain maan! You didn't represent the women or extracted from Rammzy what we needed to hear about co-parenting from a man's perspective vs a woman expectations. You just sat there pretty, trying to prove a point to your ex and just grinned! Yoh! You have no interviewer skills of extracting constructive information from an interviewee. Period!
The kids always suffer. Wished they were together, but things happen. All the best with the future.
1st time here but this convo is well done
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These two boys are so immature it's disheartening....
Began with Part 2 and halfway into this one... all I'll say is this podcast lacks a strong woman's POV to challenge the heavy misogyny oozing from this Chim guy (plus check guests on language such as "hoes") . The current host isn't doing much justice to that role.
Ramzzy has some valid points but also many problematic ones. Even with that he's compelling to listen to.
Hosts, do a bit better.