The Norse Gods: Loki: An Evil Queer Icon?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- This video on the Norse God Loki was a highly requested one! So many people want to know more about mentions of Loki in Norse Mythology, how to work with Loki, etc. In this video I'm discussing questions all around the Norse Trickster God like: Is Loki even a God? Is Loki secretly a queer icon? Is he evil?
Loki is definitely the most complicated one of the Norse Gods and ever new Norse Pagan will find themselves confronted with his presence. So I hope with this video I can help you figure him out a little bit.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Is Loki a God?
02:43 - Family relations
04:10 - General info
05:59 - Stories which mention Loki
11:28 - Is Loki evil?
16:35 - My experience with Loki
19:07 - The Communities experience with Loki
20:35 - Offerings
Chaos is neither good or evil, it does it's own thing, sometimes those things end up being good or bad for you, depending on how you perceive it. That's kind of how I look at most trickster gods, chaos as a force of nature that is neither good or bad, but the ramifications of the situation is always change. Change is scary to most people, you tend to lack control in how things work out. And we don't always know if our good intentions will have negative effects on someone or something.
Agreed ☺️
You should look into discordianism
I always joked Loki belongs to Chaos Magic panteon, though Chaos Magic avoids dogmatic view of Entities or Gods.
So we can agree on Loki being Agent of Chaos ;)
Loki literally pounced on me when I admitted to myself that I was a witch. I've been an outcast my whole life and realized they were always there. In my experience, they are hilarious and act as a protector towards me among other things as well. I have social anxiety and ofter feel them wrap their arm around me to tell me it's ok. Love them so much.
You saying "kind of annoying but effective" embodies Loki's tactics so well.
Oh yes 🤣
This is so real
I’m really resonating with feeling like Loki is a protector of outcasts. I’m queer, autistic, was bullied horribly…. Wonderfully helpful video. Thank you so much for not only sharing your perspective, but also curating different perspectives from the community. This is so valuable to me as a new practitioner! Skål!
Omg yes! I felt that too. He is literally the perfect being for supporting and sympathizing with the other human outcasts for example us autistics and other neurodivergent folks or just anyone who’s not accepted by society
No he’s bloody not mate, just because hes “worshipped” by a bunch of Kringe media spergs who jumped on the Norse hype train, who have no idea what they are talking about but call themselves “pagans” means nothing, sorry oh wait I don’t care.
I have to admit, I was a little nervous about this video since Loki is the deity I’m closest to, but people frequently don’t understand him at all. You obviously do though, so thank you for making this wonderful video! I hadn’t put into words (so to speak) how Loki does like it when I speak directly and casually to him, but it’s very true. I really resonated with everyone else’s experiences! I also really appreciated that you brought up the Christianization of the tales equating to Loki becoming more villainous; I don’t see that as any coincidence. I’d also learned recently about the alternate version of Baldur’s death that didn’t even involve him, so I really don’t think it’s fair to hold that account against him. He is just the best, my biggest helper and guide!
I've been a devotee of Loki for many years now and he has only ever helped me and comforted me, though his methods might seem harsh or difficult at the time. It's hard to invite chaos into your life, and when you follow Loki, that is what you're doing. I also follow Hel, and I tend to interpret the story of Baldur's death like this- it's a story about the value of having a finite time alive, and a finite amount of time with your loved ones. Humans all wish we could live forever, but we can't, and in many ways that fact is what makes life special. Hel refusing to release Baldur was her lesson to the gods- your time is finite, just like everyone else's. Loki, the agent of chaos that he is, often has a hand in teaching these game changing lessons, to the other gods and to the humans retelling the tales thousands of years into the future.
One old tale of Loki I've stumbled across recently is a Faroese ballad that paints him in a good light. The tale describes how Loki saves a human child from a Jotun. The ballad is called "Lokka Táttur" (Loki's Tale: A Faroese Ballad) and a free PDF can be found online. It's only 6 pages long and is translated into English. I'm not sure how old the ballad is, but it's nice to see positive stories of dear Loki nonetheless.
The Týr version of it is also fucking superb if anyone likes metal
This was a fun video. When reading the book Norse Mythology, I felt like Loki is just misunderstood by the other gods. He just likes to pull pranks and laugh. But he's always there to help out when needed.
I’d also like to add that Loki does show up as spiders to me and others I talk to who worship him. They’re never dangerous/venomous. A god should not want to harm you!
I sware he sends spiders. One time I woke up in the middle of the night and there was a gigantuan spider on my windowsill that faces my bed. And one time there was this gigantic spider the size of a fist almost in our couch a while ago. Now that I see spiders as a sign from Loki I'm not so scared of them now but goddamnit still gets me everytime
I listen to a Norse mythology podcast and they’ve discussed Loki at length. They have mentioned a few times that it’s almost like he’s the “keeper of fate” in a way where if something happens which threatens fate… such as Baldur being destined to die and Frigg tries her hardest to stop it from happening, Loki will intervene. Like, the reason why good things seem to happen from his bad behaviour is more because he is ensuring fate isn’t altered… they explain it SOOOOO much better than me lol. I’ve come to really appreciate Loki.
Name of podcast?
I gasped in excitement when I saw that you posted your Loki video!
Hope you liked it 🥰
I totally had the experience where i spoke to him formally at first, but i got this feeling like he didn't like it. So now i talk to him more casually!
I think Loki is multi-faceted and in some ways shows us a face that works for each of us. I see him as 'keeper of the old ways' and thus an advisor to the Aesir and frequently frustrated by their lack of understanding of more ancient and cosmic traditions. I am pleased that people gain support from him when they want to 'live well and resist control' as that fits perfectly with his values.
I know a lot of people see Lokasenna as him being evil and uncaring about the god...but I also want to say that it reads as a victim wanting to get back at everyone. I also know there's many people who feel they've had their own lokasenna. The story doesn't read (at least to me) as someone deciding to be an ass, but rather as someone who's drunk and angry and wants to show everyone what the truth is. He essentially held up a mirror to them, and the gods reacted by murdering his sons and torturing him. I cannot feel Loki is the villain in this story because I can just sense the bitterness in it
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I love Loki, I love working with him, I love his energy and that he's always here for me.
I had an experience where when I was building my relationship with Freyja, Loki kept showing up pretending to be her and would also prank me in my dreams. It was funny, but my annoyance over it made me feel closer to Freyja and I got to know her better through the experience. i may work with him in the future but right now i can only take on one deity
It’s extremely interesting how many people share this experience of Loki pretending to be someone else. I have heard about it from at least 5 people now 😳
Snorri and Saxo a 100% needed a Lucifer-like figure when writing the Eddas, and Loki was the only one fitting for the role. And we must remember that when doing our research.
Agreed!
Snorre wrote one book called Edda. Saxo wrote his Danish history, but no Edda.
In authentic heathen poetry, Loki gives birth to numerous horrible monsters that are said to be hated by the gods. He also leads the forces of chaos and destruction against the gods which literally results in the end of the world. This is not a good figure.
yay loki video~ i enjoyed that! it's really a lot to go through isn't it 🤔 i loved to hear/read other people's input and it's nice to see that there is not so much tiptoeing around the topic necessary... yay for loki~
I‘m glad you liked it 🥰
I just found your channel today through your runes videos, and saw this was just uploaded. I just started working with Loki last week and I love it! This was a really good summary and I appreciate you for making it. My life is total chaos right now, and as soon as Loki made contact with me I felt so calm. He’s the master of the chaos so it was like I knew he’d help me see the way through it, help me see the patterns and make sense of it so I wouldn’t have to fear whatever happens next. Definitely not evil in my opinion.
That sounds lovely 🥰
I do treat Loki as a god. I treat it as an agent of chaos and change.
When I call on Loki, it's usually if I foresee big change coming my way.
I typically ask to help deal with coming changes and perceived chaos.
But this is how I approach any god. I don't make demands or ask for material things.
As a side note, I never give offerings to Odin without including Loki as well.
I give thanks and appreciation, to Loki, if I come through a difficult situation.
I started working with Hel not too long ago. Immediately when I set up her candle and altar space there were spiders around my altar which has never happened. A spider had literally made its web above Hel’s candle. I began feeling another energy as well so I did some research and found out it was just Loki checking in on his daughter and the person whos working with her 😅 I set up a mini altar for him with a candle and immediately all the spiders disappeared, but I still feel him around.
I love your videos and I've honestly been waiting for this one 😅 Thank you so much for all of your content! Loki was the first deity I've worked with and I absolutely adore and respect him. Sigyn came to me with Loki and I cried for their story. Also, Baldur staying in Helhiem allowed him to help rebuild after Ragnarok! I believe that's part of the reason Loki didn't weep. I've also had the same experiences as far as his energy being warm and comforting and Loki pretending to be others 🤣 I busted out laughing when you said that! Again, thank you for all of your videos and have fun and be safe on your vacation!! I'm so happy for you!
I agree that Loki shares many of the characteristics you described here. Im impressed by your presentation, well done!
I thought of another way to describe his influence which I'd like to add.
That is he encourages me to figure things out, and to think things through more carefully when perhaps there was something I overlooked.
So having the great Loki around is like having a brilliant genius, and a friend watching your back!
*starts working with Loki again and then this pops up on the top of my feed 🤣
Weeeellll 🤣🤣🤣
As usual, a helpful and fun video! I'm don't think I will even think about working with deities for a while yet, and if I do, they will probably not even be from the Norse pantheon (though that might change) but I'm always open to learning new things and this was a really interesting video
I had a run of bad luck not so long ago. Not just bad, but strange things were happening. I thought I had been cursed. I hadn't but I made an offering to Loki, and it stopped! I think he was trying to get my attention... It worked 😂
ive never understood the “loki is evil” perspective. ive always seen him as chaotic neutral and as a family man, even to his æsir “family”
Thank you. This was very intersting and fun. I am thinking about asking Loki to work with him. I feel connections to him. Blessings Norse Witch
So happy to finally watch this video! I love working with Loki!! He also came to me in disguised as another god lol So interesting to hear other’s experiences - hail Loki🔥🤘🏼🔥
As ons who has just started to immerse himself in Nórdic Mythology, I must Say i quite agree with your more moderate and balanced view of Loki's characters.
I'm chaotic as heck so teaming up with Loki seems fitting not to mention I connect with him as being able to call out my family for their bs . Loki is like the brother I never had Thor is like a protective dad to me. Not to mention I'm bigender so yeah.
Thank you so much for this!!! Put Loki in a wonderful perspective and gave me a new insight on this hilarious deity
Your amazing thank you for making them videos
You’re so welcome 🥰❤️ I‘m glad you like my content!
Loki has been in my life since I was a child basically, but I didn't realise it until about four years ago, when I finally accepted my faith as a norse pagan. Just to add to him pretending to be something else instead of being straightforward, with me he pretended to be an angel (yeah I know it's hilarious) for one whole year. I guess he thought that it would be funny to do that to someone who has a very complicated relationship with christianity in general lol. I also completely relate to your experience of him just bombarding your brain before you actually acknowledge him, he did the same with me.
I love Loki, and I also love his wife Sigyn. It's awe-inspiring how she stands by him, something for me to aspire to.
Today I figured out Loki has been reaching out to me so I have been doing research on him. How I figured out it was Loki is a funny story, so this is basically how it went:
So I was going down my list of gods he could be and this is what happened
Me: Are you Heimdallr?
Loki: Yes
Me: Really?
Loki: Yup
Me: Are you sure?
Loki: no
Me: Are you Loki?
Loki: FINALLY
I'm still new to Loki but for me he felt familiar ( I had a not so great childhood and when things got really bad I felt this kind energy around me that helped me feel safe) and when I started working with Loki he felt like that energy. He is also like a dad to me since in his opinion my "dad" is a jerk so I need a better one. He has a sweet tooth for me he likes chocolate so I give him a lot of that.
I feel like this is very accurate.
tried to join a kindred recently and a major red flag that made me not go back was someone tried to make loki out as a devil figure, and as a loki, thor, and freyja devotee, really? seriously? right in front of my salad?
Thanks so much, Norse Witch. It makes me feel closer to him 🖤💀🕷️777
I would love to know where you learned all of this info on Loki! Do you have any book recommendations or other source material? Loki recently reached out and I’m so fascinated by him is it just a conglomeration of a million sources haha thank you for your content new sub and your so well spoken and knowledgeable!
Also the reason I’m asking you specially vs just googling material is I know there’s a lot of misinformation about him so I would love to know if you have any valuable sources that seem more accurate
Ty I picked up on the vibes. I literally just was thinking about this thing, Crazy but not really. Ty all
For me, I see the Loki who killed Balder and Started Ragnarok as a parent who was fed up with how the gods treated his children, imprisoning them when they hadn’t even done anything wrong. I don’t think Loki actually wanted to kill Balder, just injure him, which is why he had Balder’s blind brother shoot him. Loki never expected the blind god to hit him directly in the heart, probably just in the arm or the leg or something. But after Balder’s death, the gods kill his
Sons, tie him to a large rock with their intestines, and then drip snake venom into his eyes, so I’m not surprised that he decides to wage war against Asgard when he eventually escapes.
Could you make a list of books that talk about the history of the norse gods?
Baldr is kept in Helheim until after Ragnarok, so he was able to rise again. If he was able to come back to life through the tears of everyone, he may not have been able to come back from the dead a second time.
also, and this is probably just me rambling, we as pagans / animists, need to give a little bit less importance to the title "God" when worshipping entities. i understand that monotheistic religions left a big impact on how we view things, but if we look how thinks worked back in the day, for example, the Vættir weren't considered Gods, yet they were worshipped, people were doing Blót to them, paying them their respect and everything! A lot of entities are very powerful and as important as the Æsir or the Vanir, just being part of nature. So yeah, our practices are ours and if you want to worship Loki you can, even if he doesn't qualify as a God for certain scholars (I myself consider him a God, but if you don't that's valid too)
Yes yes and yes! Definitely agree! Especially in the Norse pantheon where Land spirits become house spirits, ancestral spirits become land spirits, giants become gods, etc. 🤣
3:20 I would use a term "sworn brother" like in a Chinese drama series, buuut blood brother also covers that, I guess.
Cheers!
Are knots associated with Loki Ive had the urge to do witches ladder recently and I feel like Loki might be the reason why. I've thought about giving knot work to Loki as offerings
I don't know if anyone os going to see this because this is an old video but i started deity work with Freyja recently and I have my doubts about making an altar for Loki too close to Freyja to avoid interferences or maybe to avoid making Freyja angry but I don't know if I'm being paranoid about it
Im not one that works with any deity or god/goddess but if I were to try to, Loki would probably be the first one I'd try to contact. Im not a formal person and I appreciate his existence in Norse mythology being a shapeshifter and its connection to queerness and the misfit energy is really interesting to me. Who knows maybe I'll get into it lol
Could you do a video about the godess Jord? Most places only talk about her as Thors mother and I would love to know more
I will talk about aaaaaaall of them at some point ☺️ I want to cover all the Norse gods, goddesses and major spirits ☺️☺️
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Hey! Yeah unfortunately I have to do major legal and tax related adjustments at the moment. I‘m trying to set everything up as soon as possible but unfortunately it’s possible that it’ll take me a month or so since for example I have to recalculate ALL prices 😪 if you want to stay updated on when I’ll reopen (I want to make sure to reopen with a Big Bang drop) it’s probably best to follow my shop on Instagram ☺️
@@TheNorseWitch Thanks for ur response 😊Totally understandable, good luck handling that! 😬I gave you a follow on Instagram, I look forward to you opening again. I found myself having another question, I've been watching your videos for a while but I might have missed it. Where did you get the wooden figures (of the norse gods) on your altar from?
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Quick question... Isn't "killing Baldur" related maybe to the fact he had a thing for Loki's daughter Hel? Overprotective dad mode? XD
Did I rewatch this a bunch of times because I love your videos? Goodness yes this was was also a good one and needed
Oh 🥹❤️
Do you haya video on the 9 realms I've been looking hopefully not missing it
Nope I don’t have a video on that yet
@@TheNorseWitch okay that's okay there is a lot of stuff you could cover it's completely understandable 😁
I will definitely make a video on the topic at some point ☺️
Age of Mythology the game has Loki as a major god for the Norse, god Loki is valid
Loki sounds quite like an outsider to the Norse gods. Have you found any indication that Loki is actually from another pantheon? Like Hekate originally isn't a Greek goddess, but was adopted by the Greek...
I don’t know of any indication of that but it’s a very interesting thought!
I just watched a video from Ocean Keltoi on Hodr and his involvement in Baldr’s death. He said that Frogger didn’t extract an oath from Mistletoe not to hurt. Last because she belt it was too young to make an oath. I do forget what his source was on that but if you watch his video, you’d probably understand better than I.
Yeah I‘m aware of that source. It’s one of two sources about Baldrs death. It’s the one I mentioned by Snorri Sturluson. ☺️
As a parent to the Goddess Hel, can we not connect this to him also being a god?
Good call! I guess this leads us to the question whether being a god in a Nordic context is more of a job description than anything else 🤔 because I guess Hel also wasn’t meant to be a goddess until Odin gave her the job of reigning over Helheimr?
a friend of mine once accidentally gave some bubblegum as an offering to Loki, and that seemed to appease them
They seem to like strange offerings 🤣
Chaotic natural at its finest
I would love to hear you talk about the older story of Baldr's death and how that would change Loki re Ragnarok.
I vibe with the idea of Loki being so intimately involved with the death and rebirth of the Universe, but really don't like the christianized mythologies...
In my case also the most loved kitten died although i asked Hel to save its life. Instead the other kitten resurrected the other night
Oddly, the queer norse god I feel a lot of fascination with is Odin. His practice of seidr is innately queer, and there are some suggestions it involved a sexual element. So, yeah the god I look up to as a queer person would have to be our favorite wanderer.
The people of the Caucasus (Caucasians) are ancestral to the Greek, Celtic and (later) Germanic people, and had long tradition of breeding horse and hound: it'd be odd if the ancestral gods (the 'grand' /'great' grandparents) were not remembered in the new (Olympian, Druidic & Odinic) religions.
we assume ragnsrock is bad. yes it's the end of the godds. but from my understanding their are survivors and new birth after the battle. everything ends nothing is forever.
As a bisexual, i get such gender envy, from loki, i cant wait to learn about him, thank you 😊
I have something aginst not acknowledging Loki. Loki symbol of the othering in Norse mythology. How people treat Loki a lot of time correlate with their tolerance of other or lack their off.
I don't know a lot about god's & Goddess like you & others do. But as for shape shifting. I do something similar in my dreams. Sometimes I run real fast & I am low to the ground. Also I hear wolves ,crows, bats & owls & other night creatures, not only can I hear them in my dreams I can also sense their presence. In some dreams I also change size Sometimes I am my own size 5,5. But sometimes I am very tall, at a guess somewhere between 6,6 & Upton 7 feet. Other times I will see myself in mirrors & I have changed colour, mainly white that I am.but sometimes black or brown, blueish reddish, sometimes very green. All colours really. I have had sex with thousands of females all over the world in different places, including family members, royalty, nuns & other beings, even females that look dead. I have also done battle with many creatures, strange looking beings & vampires & aliens & reptile looking beings. But the strangest thing about all my dreams is that I do it in another time. It's like time fluctuates forty eight hours either way, sometimes I get stuck on the twenty four hours & that's when battles start or things go wrong. What some people would call nightmares. I can go further back in time, it's like running really fast & leaping amazing distances ,I normally just drop right next to who or where I want to be. In one dream I saw Jesus, he looks nothing like he does in films or anything, I dropped behind him, but about thirty or so yards away. I knew straight away it was him, he must have felt my presence, as he turned & looked at me he looked panicked, he then ran away with two others that were with him. I never chased him. I could write a book about my dreams.hundreds I can remember & thousands I cannot. I can even remember my very first dream as a child when I was about five or six. Even if dreams are not real & just imagination, I have met world leaders, royalty, strange creatures & done some amazing things. I have never been defeated in battle in my dreams, if I do get defeated then maybe the dreams will stop. As for Loki, maybe he has all the stuff the gods & goddesses have & maybe more than them. Sometimes he will impress the good guys & sometimes the bad guys. Maybe he has a human education & wants to impress everyone & does not know how to impress himself.
I agree that lot of blowback around Loki and even to a larger extent, Ragnarok, is the effects of latent Christianity. Our ancestors saw life and death as cycles just as in nature. Death wasn’t the end. Also, death is necessary for rebirth as we see in Hel, Goddess of death and life. When the Eddas and sagas were written down, they painted the events with their dualistic worldview of heaven and hell, when all signs point to our ancestors having a much more nuanced view of right and wrong and held much more to a code of personal responsibility rather than leaving it all up to the singular Christian god. They may have viewed Raganrok on both micro and macro levels. It can be a devastating death of an old part of life that’s necessary to give birth to a new part. It could be as that fear to this life on Midgard that we have, but it’s a cycle that leads to a new age. It could have been the ancient memories of a climate apocalypse from the end of the ice age. Who knows, but I guess my point is that it was much more complicated and nuanced in our ancestors worldview. Loki in all these stories seems to me to bring balance. He cuts off Sif’s hair and then out of the chaos that caused, he offers the gifts from the Dwarves to the gods. I’m not sure if I’m remembering correctly, but does Bladr come back amongst the few resurrected after Ragnarok? If so, Loki’s actions in that case can possibly been seen as a necessary catalyst and important part of the Ragnarok cycle. I’m new to this, so I’m not sure if it makes any sense. Great video, with lots to think about. I’m definitely checking out the other Loki video (which you’ve made by the time I’m first watching this) after this one! Skål!
I just think: what if ragnarok is the catastrophe of all world and all this armies of dead people, gods fight aganist more powerful enemy what they all??? it's just open question... but...
I mean union of all forces aganist something ugly that Lokis childs :)
I don't know man I myself not religious I'm spiritual eclectic the gods and goddesses I think they have since of humor. I mean a string tied to ole testicles there to the beard that's classic but I mean thier usauly symbolism, metaphor with every religion .
I'm gonna need some deets on those farting incense cones 👀😂
🤣🤣 I was thinking about selling them on my shop actually
@@TheNorseWitch ooooh, great idea! 😁 I know I'll get a laugh out of that 😄
Oh me too!! I can just imagine how much it would make Loki laugh!
Loki is not even a chaos God. Recently historians have come to the agreement that “Loki” is most likely another name for “Lodur” from the creation myth, and that Loki himself most likely debuted as a vaettr or a nisse (house spirit) that was thought to protect homes and children before rising to Godhood status. This nisse is sometimes called the Ashlad because offerings to them were left at the fireplace - IE the “hearthfire” hence “Loki, God of the hearthfire.”
This theory is supported by the story of Lokka Tattur, which is a Faroese ballad.
Not only that but Ragnarok is a cycle of rebirth - not destruction. Because after the battle is over, Baldr is reborn and joins his brother as the new King of Asgard and they create new humans to repopulate Midguard. As far as Loki goes, he was protecting his family cause he got fed up with Odin’s shit and I would also like to take this moment to point out that Loki killing Baldr is a story that is isolated to Iceland. I don’t know what their deal is with him but whatever.
As far as I know the theory with Loki being another name for Lodur is highly debated but it’s not a fact. It’s just a guess.
But yeah, as I pointed out - Snorris version of Baldrs death is the only that mentions Loki as the one to be blamed. Saxo for example never even mentions him in his version of the story. So it’s pretty likely another case of the Christians needing someone to blame 😅
Hes not evil, but he is dark.
Hail Loki
It was him who introduced me to Odin and the other Gods
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Well. if a human did some of this shit, you'd say he's a pretty bad person. So yeah. lol Probably not good LOL But whatever LOL
Whether he's a god or just a deity, in the end, people do what people do and that* is human.
You are extremely beautiful by the way! You have a very nice eloquence and accent.
I guess there are a lot of deities that you definitely wouldn’t call a good person if they were human xD Odin is DEFINITELY one of them but still it’s usually Loki who’s accused of being the awful one…
@@TheNorseWitch I agree! I don't argue with people that call Loki the "shadow side" of Odin LOL!! In all honesty, Odin's name alone..."Fury/Frenzy" says alot...and his Kenning or Haita, "Bolverk (Evil One)" is very indicitive of that side of his nature.
How I really decide who is good or bad depends on how many "innocent" lives they take and if they commit rape. Then, i look at the things they have done that appear to be within or outside of normal human behavior. So a god that is mostly honest that only kills other gods or things that "had it coming" i consider a "good" god. So Zeus, we will say, is definitely not a god I would like to follow, and I keep people that "Identify" with Zeus at an arms length. I actually steer away from people that follow Zeus alot more than I would from someone that follows Loki. Why, well because Zeus, by many, is seen as blameless or has had excuses made for him by either other gods or other people. Lokis followers, on the other hand, may only say "well, that is just the way he is", and in the various myths, we see him trying to rectify his actions at some points, and we also see other gods scold him, and we even see remorse.
SO i also look at this and say "exactly how OLD was Loki when he was first brought to Asgard? was he merely a young god of the wild that the gods of order just simply not know how to handle?
to the side, we see in hebrew language, in the Old testament, the word for evil, when appliied to a spirit or god, was actually "unripe".
so could this have been Lokis case? was he simply just not ripened as an individual? had he not yet evovled? in all honesty, if he wasnt a god, but just deified, he wouldnt have godlike attributes. And then at this point we see Odin acting like a carzy mad man, killing young thralls to get to some mead. Well.
well.
LOL
I actually really like the idea that maybe Loki was just a teenager rebelling 🤣 that kind of makes sense with all of the tricks he’s playing
@@TheNorseWitch Yes, I've always felt, wether he is good or bad, he is a totally different creature from the rest...and there is a very good chance we was still an adolescent in a sense
@@TheNorseWitch you know also i mean if anything said "loki was an adolescent male" it maybe would have been when he tied a goats beard to his balls and risked getting his worm bitten off LOL
Interesting. I am homosexual man, so naturally, I've been interested in the Norse attitudes to that & any potential deities. Loki seems to represent things that don't resonate with me, though, such as the gender fluidity. I don't suppose there are any norse deities who are more straightforwardly appropriate for me, are there?
No you probably won’t find a lot there. Homosexuality (at least male homosexuality) was pretty much looked down upon during the Viking age (look up the terms ergi and ragr!) so you won’t find a straight up gay Norse god. But of course that doesn’t mean you can’t worship the gods. ☺️
@@TheNorseWitch yes, I am aware of the "ins and outs" of Viking attitudes to gay conduct; as it were. lol Oh, I still venerate the Gods (and some from another Pantheon) and have not experienced any problems in working with Odin or Baldr.
Yeah especially Odin who was called ergi himself shouldn’t have any problems with homosexuality 🤣
I’ve been seeing non aggressive brown recluses occasionally popping up around the house. I did reach out to Loki recently but I was unsure since it was brown recluses that I’ve been seeing. I do have a fear of spiders and have slowly gotten over it but recluses still freak me out. 😂
It might be Kali.
No god is all good no god is all evil. They are just the gods.
Loki as a Queer icon 😂
People of this century are getting weirder, his stories involve shapeshifting and even bearing "animal" progeny. Everything about him points to him being SOMETHING nothing like any of us and that's pretty much how the stories about him describe him, how the other characters of the Norse mythos saw him too.
You want to USE him as a posterboy for your own political issues go for it, but keep in mind that from an outside point of view he's nothing like us and if anything he's Pansexual, the Greek expression for someone that could love all, anyone and his case anything which historian's pretty much agree is probably how the majority of people in that day and age were
Difficult figure? You mean complex
I think of Loki as the jester of Asgard.
I'm trying to find a place in the USA to practice Norse Pagan or Heathenry that's not attached to a racist group. I'm trying to find a place to practice and learn the ways.
Start with Ocean Keltoi on UA-cam. He has videos about how to find other non-racist, non-misogynist, non-bigot Norse Pagans.
Stay away from "Wisdom of Odin." His channel is a gateway for recruiting/creating neo-Nazis and his loyalty pledge is utter bullshit. Don't fall for that crap.
Tbh as being nonbinary, genderfluid myself it kinda sucks when all mythological figures who have a remotely non-cis component end up being bad or the villain
Agreed! Although there’s also still Odin who practices women’s magic and he’s always celebrated? At least that’s something? 🙊
@@TheNorseWitch That's cool! I have been studying deities that have been historically worshipped in this place and so far I have mostly worked myself through the Roman/Greek ones and working towards the Norse, German and Celtic ones, so I haven't come around to Odin yet. That's certainly something to look forward to :D I must say I've been kinda intimidated by him so that's a good icebreaker. I know they equated him to Wodan here (the level of melting pot is so high around these parts, it can get kinda confusing) but that's only from studying the origins of our days of the week
I am a devotee of Loki and literally devoted my channel to Him, I am a proud Lokean witch and am potentially going to enter a God-spousal connection with him
He shouldn’t of cut her hair off to begin with. That’s one of the stories that really irritated me with him lol thought u was gonna say sorry for the shadows on my face loki says hello 😂😂
Cutting off all her hair was a common (albeit cruel) method dealing with unfaithful wives among the Norse/Vikings though. Loki used tradition to get one over on Thor and Sif. He got Sif to screw him, thus enabling Loki to bring ridicule to Thor and Sif by cutting Sif's hair when she fell asleep in Loki's bed afterward. And then Loki had to pay the price, which wasn't so bad from his perspective.
@@CricketsBay didn’t know that part so now I don’t feel so bad for Sif lol
I think in the stories, loki is careless and reckless, even with the lives of other gods. I think that's why the last straw was loki telling off all of the gods basically, because it revealed that he didn't care about them and before they gave him the benefit of the doubt and even cared about him. I'm not saying that anyone can't worship him, I just won't do it myself.
It was a good video though, I still enjoyed it.
Yeah so lokis not queer so pls stop
Are you kidding me? Loki is one of the most flaming queer gods in the universe. Pls stop with the homophobia and willful ignorance.
You kidding?
Loki is a shape shifter a mother and father they had something with males(the horse for example) and females ( his wife the giant)
You cat tell me he isn't somewhat queer
Sure back then there was a different understanding for that but in today's tears he would be seen as queer
@@SleepyRacoonYT He did it for the gods NOT TO HAVE A QUEER IDENTITY
@@Person-ry7iq he didn't need to still they did and stop spreading your hatreds just accept that some people think that way, this whole video mentioned Loki being queer like what once? And that's the only thing you mentioned in your comment.
Why ? Why not talk about the other great things this video talked about? Why commenting if only about Loki being queer?
Do you work with Loki? Do you talk to him? How do you know it ?
@@SleepyRacoonYT let me guess your queer