U forgot one thing TATA and Aurbus are Planning to convert c295 into civil purposes for AirIndia to operate those aircraft for Small Airports under Udan Scheme
And millions of them moving from poor into the middle class👍 This is good for everyone! Especially those who are now able to travel by air and generally live better lives🙂
Funny. Even Shiva chuckled... ...or not, and he just downgraded you in the karma cycle to a dung beetle in your next life for making fun of righteousness.
@@shlok.shrivastavthey have a significant number of isngle aisle planes with businesss amc premium economy cabins. Or should i say they 'had' a lot of planes
@@shlok.shrivastav I didn't know Vistara had full economy planes towards the end. But it quite unmistakably had a bespoke business class product on both its short haul A320s and long haul 787s. And the brand was considered quite premium.
@Maxx1066 It's more complicated than that. India suffers from a duopoly in the aviation Sphere. Indigo or Air India/Express. Spicejet,Akasa,and especially India Air one are very uncommon. Compared to US,where you guys have Delta,Alaska,American,United,southwest,jetblue,and half a dozen smaller airlines,we have two airlines suckerpunching each other 24/7,while others barely survive,let alone grow. Akasa air barely has aircraft in my local airport. Not to mention other parts of our country. But yeah,seeing Indigo as the top customer of the a320 and Air India Express' pretty 737 fleet gives me joy.
@@KedvespatikusYea, Vistara is no longer an airline. It merged with Air India on November 12 under the latter's brand. I do miss flying the purple bird.
@@Kedvespatikusmerged officially on November 12th. But the aircraft and crew will still have the Vistara livery for sometime. Further Air India has announced all the “tier 1 metro” flights will be operated only with the 3 class Vistara and the few Air India A32x narrow bodies. Progressively all AI narrow body will be reconfigured to 3 class. Business, Premium Economy and Economy.
@@christophermcdonald1122branding. Plus Vistara was never profitable. So cost’s has to controlled and losses merged. Plus Singapore Airlines has to be brought in and given a stake in the combined Air India. Already code shares are put and being put in place beyond Singapore and beyond AI’s primary gateways at Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore.
You didn't cover the main point which is that most Indian LCC carriers have their fleet in a lease and sale back model. The first set of Indigo a320 neos which they ordered are already being sent back to their lessors, making them operate Newer, more fuel efficient aircraft. The fleet size of Indigo will never cross 600, by analysts estimates
Exactly what I said too. It's somewhat common afaik around the world, but Indigo's the one who uses it the most aggressively out of anywhere in the world.
This makes more sense because hearing about these carriers getting these planes my first question was one of manpower and where it was going to come from and at what level of quality it was.
Actually all carriers regardless follow SLB model. Air India’s legacy 777s were under a sovereign guaranteed loan with the US ExIm bank. Their 788s are also under SLBs. But now Indigo is changing its business model to include long leases beyond 6 years which were the ironclad model of Gangwal, now that he is out.
Disappointed you didn't touch on how these planes are bought on Sale and lease back models, so they're definitely not taking as much risk as people think they are
@@oatx Of course, and I think its's a reasonable amount tbh, doesn't sound that crazy to me coz I've seen attitudes to flying in India change over the past decade or so. Peak hour rush at metropolitan airports is INSANE.
Hello Petter, Can I add few statistics of IndiGo... 1. It operates over 2200 flights daily which is possibly 7 th highest in the world.. 2. It carried over 100 million passengers in a Calendar year... Less than a handful of Airlines carry as many.. 3. Market capitalisation of IndiGo is only next to Delta Airlines.. 4. It's a clean safety record in its 18 years of operating... 5. Only less than 3% Indians fly which is not even a fraction of what developed world statistics... So Indian aviation is still in its infancy... It's indeed poised for robust growth...
Another thing is also India's airline's benefit of being able to fly over Russia. Shorter route, cheaper tickets and the competition from western airlines gone on the fastest routes.
@@shlok.shrivastav I was more thinking if India betting on continued absence of western airlines over Russia, which seems likely, India might think of taking over that capacity with some of these new planes.
@@kw_awards Yes, but they're stretched thin trying to cater to existing demand already and route expansion will have to wait until the new places come in, by which point we might already see a resolution to the conflict.
@@shlok.shrivastav Could be, but there is also a good probability normalizing the relations will take several decades to mend, hence India sees their chance of new routes.
How the hell do you even become a spurs fan in India? I get it for someone who grew up in London, or for South Koreans coz they've got Son, but man you just set yourself up for eternal pain
@@LilywhitesIndia Man I wanna call a wellness check on the Intersection of the sets of RCB fans and spurs fans. Still could be worse, could be united over the past decade.
Once these aircraft are delivered, the competition with middle east airlines (emirates, qatar....) will heat up. Emirates uses a hub and spoke to get a large set of international travel passengers from india. These indian airlines will now provide point to point for indian passengers from the local cities.
@@shlok.shrivastavbut its not a fighter jet either. It is a military transport aircraft. I read some articles that tatas are interested in a civilian variant and are ready to place triple digit orders for it. That aircraft if made will be a competitir for atr and bomardier Q400 type of aircraft that are used for small airfield under udan scheme by indigo and spicejet among some others. The current fleet of AIX does not allow them to compete in that market as they only have 737 and 320's so that is why they want it.
Just wanted to correct something mentioned at 6:40. Vistara wasn’t a low-cost airline. it was a full-service premium carrier. In fact, it was awarded the 16th Best Airline in the World by Skytrax in 2024. While they did operate a few all-economy aircraft for smaller cities, the majority of their fleet, including the Airbus A321neo, offered premium services like 180-degree flat-bed seats in Business Class.
1. Thank you for covering this topic! 2. Was expecting some snapshots of news articles projecting a growing middle class that would lead to the increased demand or factors like limited growth in railway infrastructure 3. Vistara has never been an LCC 4. The way China demanded an FAL to place its orders in the past, India should also create more pressure to give impetus to its aviation industry, Airbus especially has too many orders from India now 5. Practically, I don't think India will ever replace China as a manufacturing hub, democracy will not let that happen 6. I am excited for new airports creating potential for a hub and spoke model for airlines and improved services by indian airlines on point to point routes, right now, emirates/GCC carriers are in substance the national airline for India on routes to NA and EU
Number 4: Absolutely and I'm surprised the combined orders from Indigo and Air India didn't manage to convince Airbus to set one up at the very least. Maybe they've become cautious after Comac (allegedly) stole an airplane.
Thank you Petter for covering this topic on Indian Aviation. Looking forward for India to be play a significant role in coming years in aviation industry.
I am an aviation enthusiast now. I proudly say I was in the team who received the very first aircraft of IndiGo on Delhi airport back in year 2006. Love your videos. Just one thing at 2:55 the map of India is incorrect.
One thing to note is that Air India was once considered to be the Emirates of Asia back in its heyday. They were often the early adopters of new aircraft types like B747 however, once the company was operated by the government, a lot of things changed. For example the quality of service and just the general condition of the planes was plain awful and prices remained higher than they should have been. Thus the confidence in government led Air India was steadily decreasing prior to the Tata acquisition. On the other hand carriers like Indigo have been able to gain market share with affordable ticket prices (Air India is often slightly more expensive than Indigo) and generally with better service more comfortable planes and also a higher number of available routes with higher frequency. Overall seeing Air India, Indigo and the general aviation industry growing in India is great and knowing that the flag carrier will be operated by Tata group one who is renowned for their quality of service (Vistara for example) there is little doubt that one day it will be the choice for the public. I am not the smartest tool in the shed so do correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you for the insight, it's hard to grasp what commercial aviation is like in a region I've never flown. To the other commenter, I'm sure what he meant was "of Asia back then" if you read the greater context.
Very happy to see mentour now talking about our Country India ❤ I personally love flying with Akasa due to their brand new aircrafts but also gets afraid due to 737 past history. There are talks happening with govt to open either Airbus or Boeing facilities here or even both. Can't wait to see big planes being delivered from here. Thanks @mentournow for this video.
India's fertility rate is now slightly below replacement level; China's, however, is far below replacement level. Both countries are getting older, but China is getting there a lot faster. So India is likely to overtake China in manufacturing. In fact, given their population and education, they're likely to overtake the world. Indonesia and, maybe, Nigeria, may be able to compete, but they won't be able to match India's growth. So India can probably support a much larger air fleet. The biggest question is when and how much bigger. And will newer technologies overtake these planes during their service lives.
Nigeria is in a huge economic downfall at the moment. I would bet much more on Asian countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. to have a bright prospering economic future.
@@MentourNow i would still recommend you to refer to the map given at the ministry of external affair, government of india. Link: www.mea.gov.in/india-at-glance.htm
Do you consider crimea to be Russian land? If so don’t even talk lol. I obviously side with India over China, but it’s very complicated. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to use the map of India which is under Indian control
Just a small addition: Vistara - An airline where Tata had a 51% stake with the rest being held by Singapore Airlines, was a full-service carrier. The plan was to always considate Air India with Vistara when Tata took over Air India from the government, but it was delayed owing to some reviews by the competition commision. Singapore Airlines still owns a 31% stake in Air India post-merger
Not really this ordered are meant to replace the older jets , second the order is Preety small compared to our population if you see the data , india is the 3 largest country in terms of aviation market with 7% growing rate
Your whole team, from this channel and Mentour pilot, do a great job, im glad to youtube algoritm that recomended those channels years ago, only fewl 3 times in my life, not sure if ill step in another aircraf, but love the content
I differ. I think I would much rather use a low cost carrier for flying a 50-70 min route, which I'm more likely to do anyway. AI was a substantially expensive option with the exact same cabin specs. Yeah but if AIR India was providing 2-3 cabin options with better food (esp for longer routes then, yes.) But that was not the case. Atleast not when indigo gained momentum.
Another interesting thing: Indigo's leased Turkish 777s fly a full-economy cabin housing 531 seats. I've heard from people that flew in those flights that it's quite a strain to serve those many passengers for the BOM-IST route
Always love your in-depth videos, and more so when you make a full analysis on my country's aviation news! So thank you. Air travel has increased significantly here, especially after the pandemic, and I have seen firsthand how it can overwhelm the infrastructure sometimes when the demand is high.
Interestingly, India also has a record number of unemployed pilots, the pilot shortage refers to senior pilots , commanders, TRI and TRE's. There are PLENTY of First officers.
I'm from India and I 100℅ agree with what you said, Indian aviation is growing rapidly and they are gonna have shortage of EXPERIENCED PILOTS. Airline like Indigo and Air India have their own Cadet programs but still they hire from Conventional pathway too which says alot about the demand. But as a student Pilot I feel the quality of Instructors and Flight Schools in India isn't that great, Most of the ground instructors are not pilots themselves and the rest who are just teach for the sake of passing. Same is with flight schools they have alot of internal management issues, ego clashes, old aircrafta and very less freedom of flying. Until Indian authority (DGCA) does something about it INDIA is going to face problems in supply of Good Technical and Knowledge pilots.
Personally, I feel like the DGCA isn't that great either tbh. As an outsider, their reports into incidents always seem very lacking to me. Almost as if they're afraid of transparency.
13:23 : air india and indigo are running aggressive cadet pilot recruitments to tackle this. They hire like 20-40 people every few months and charge over 120k usd for their programmes They will make some profit as well as get some future pilots who are contractually obliged to serve the airline for at least 7-10 years
@@elestromusicgamesfun1101 Your data is little more than outdated, that was a figure from the 80s. Current estimates are somewhere around (or below) 10 percent.
@@mumar100Ur maths is as fcked up as ur logic, there's this variable called time. I could say that humans drink 40,000 litres of water in their lifetime, so does that mean there will be drought tomorrow ? Think about it.
Oravel Stays, the India-based parent company of OYO International, acquired Motel 6 from Blackstone Real Estate for $525 million in an all-cash transaction. So India is anticipating the need to fly all of their replacement employees to America when they fire the existing staff. lol
I think you make a good point with the threat up upcoming tariffs for West Taiwan are a big factor. India has the opportunity to grab some manufacturing growth and use new air transport to move goods and modernize passenger aircraft at the same time. Might not buy a log of cargo ships since that's easily contracted out
Really fun to watch this as an IndiGo cadet pilot 😂😂 mentour pilot did an amazing job in this video and he is right about what he saying…love you man 💙💙
India doesn't care that much for hypocritical west enforced emission standards that ignore the basic reality that the west already benefitted from polluting freely and industrialized but now expects developing countries to forego development in the name of environmentalism, especially without any compensation offered. India has the primary responsibility to increase the standard of living of its citizens, not appease foreign interests. So if it means building coal plants coz its cheap or buying new planes because it benefits Indians, we will do it. Still, India has committed to Net Zero by 2070, I think, but that's far away, and planes will be sold for a long time before then.
Till Russia stopped fuel supply, Europe was waxing eloquently about carbon emissions... The day Russia cut their supply the same Europe fired their coal based thermal power plants... That sums up Europe's concern for the world...
@@oatx There are at least a few ways to listen. If you don't have a shortwave radio at home with a good antenna then you go online to WebSDR, choose the station in the Netherlands at the University of Twenty. Aircraft transmitting on HF usually use the USB mode. I just heard Mumbai on 6661 khz. Other frequencies: 2872, 4657, 4675, 5601, 5658, 6655, 8909, 8948, 10018, and 10084. HF signals travel further, many thousands of miles, because those frequencies often bounce off the ionosphere. Also airlines oftentimes transmit digital information using ACARS stands for Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. Some hobby savvy people have put together their own decoders to copy those signals, too.
Mentour, Vistara a JV of Tatas with Singapore Airlines, was always a full service carrier. AirAsia India was the LCC JV of the Tatas and Tony Fernandes’s AirAsia. We know the ethical issues that forced AirAsia to drop out of the JV. Back in the 1990s the Tatas tried to start a full service carrier in JV with SQ but were blocked by Naresh Goyal the owner of Jet Airways. So Air India coming back home to the Tatas was natural. Vistara had never made a profit in its years of operations so it made sense to merge into Air India to create a full service carrier. Similarly Air India Express and AirAsia India are merged to create a low fare carrier to compete with Indigo and Akasa. You will observe that the AiX will tilt to a complete 737MAX fleet. Air India will remain an all A320 family NB fleet. The wide bodies which were traditionally all Boeing (Vistara also flies only 789s as its WBs) will now become a more Airbus WB fleet. India is a very toxic market for the traditional LCC model since all the associated services like airport, aeronautical, and fuel charges are common to all airlines. So this market is more of a low fare carrier market. The private airports are more shopping malls with PBBs attached, and have significantly high charges both levied directly on passengers in the form of User Development Fees, but also on airlines, and taxis etc. Indigo is the single largest Airbus narrow body customer by a large margin. Their total order book with Airbus represents more than one year of TOTAL production. However at least 50% of the orders are for fleet replenishment, and balance for expansion. And lastly it’s pronounced Oodaan (meaning flight in Hindi) and not You-daan but this is purely for your academic interest. I am reachable on X at BLRAviation of your want to chat. Love both your channels and wishing you lots of success, blue skies and tailwinds.
AIRBUS building their factory with partnership of TATA to build C295 aircraft but i am sure boeing wont put their plant in india because of their employe strike their employees striking for everything
I had the opportunity to watch & participate in a Lufthansa cargo livestream this week - they are banking big on India as an emerging market. After the pandemic revealed all the weaknesses in global supply chains, many companies are switching to a "China + 1" strategy when it comes to manufacturing aka keeping some of their existing production in China while also shifting some to newer locations in Vietnam and, of course, India. I've never flown on Air India, but from a cargo perspective, they have been notoriously terrible. Indian customs is also a nightmare when it comes to cargo. I can't tell you how many times I've had to come up with politic ways to say "no, we're not trying to smuggle - my dock guys are just morons".
There is one point which I did not hear you mention - delivery dates. It is one thing to deliver those numbers over two years and quite another to deliver them over ten years. With the order book that Airbus is accumulating already, It is unthinkable thast the company could deliver those planes in any short period. It is more likely that when the last of the delivery is made then the fhe first ones received will have to be replaced. To give a complete picture you have to indicate over what time period are those plane orders are made to be completed..
With indias population, why didnt they buy bigger planes for the domestic market? Its more efficient that way with the same amount of pilots but more passengers. Cost per seat will be lower also, which helps india since many cant afford air travel.
You talked about the joint manufacturing for c-295 militry transport aircraft between airbus and tata but there is one more dimension to it. I read some articles that tatas are interested in a civilian variant and are ready to place triple digit orders for it. That aircraft if made will be a competitionfor atr-72 type of aircraft that are used for small airfield under udan scheme by indigo and spicejet among some others. The current fleet of AIX does not allow them to compete in that market as they only have 737 and 320's so that is why they want it. They already have the factory ready, they have the supply chain ready, i read that there is signifiact localization, most parts other than engine and some avionics are made in india, so a passanger variant should not be that hard. And maybe someday if they are able to satify india's demand they can even export them adding a new family member for airbus commercial lineup
I could be wrong but I believe the C-295 is a much heavier aircraft than the ATR72, so unless India has no other option (rough fields) the ATR would be cheaper to operate. And India is improving its airports, as I explain in the video!
6:40 After the failure of Jet Airways with a dwindling Air India, Vistara was probably the only real player in Luxury air travel in india. So not a low cost airline by far.
My Air India flight was cancelled after incoming aircraft had such a hard landing at Vizakhapatnam it wasn’t allowed to fly again , so perhaps their attrition rate is a bit higher.
Also U didn't mention that Indian airlines get preferential treatment from Russia that they can fly over Russian airspace, decreasing costs and travel time while European and American can't.
Aviation is growing in India. I saw your stream yesterday I don’t think you know that default msfs aircraft suck. Microsoft gives you shitty planes assuming you’re going to buy a 80 dollar 777.
I am wondering if the large order is also strategic in making it harder for competitors to get new aircraft. that would seem to me to be a part of a broad strategy to gain a dominant market position in the air travel market.
Thank you. I never imagined my request to be fulfilled within hours.And that was a very good overview too. I personally think that indian airlines are over reaching themselves a bit considering the risky geopolitical future.
I came to know there are many routes are waiting to begin upon new aircrafts arrival and people are demanding for more flights from Existing domestic routes.
@@jolly-rancher That's just so wrong. It's kind of like showing a USA map without Alaska except the Northmost India is crucial for national security against aggression from our very peaceful neighboura. Won't you be commenting about the same if it was about you?
I am an Indian. Presently there is only Indigo Airlines in India that we can trust. All others have flight delayed or flight cancelled issues, but very rarely with Indigo. My personal experiences with Spice Jet and Air Asia were awful a number of times, but never with Indigo, till date.
@@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl Yeah and I am really envious, because around here we keep talking about it, but nothing is being built. Best of luck to India to keep expanding its rail network.
The TATA group made a major mistake in winding down Vistara, an airline with a quality reputation for service and comfort, in favour of Air India, a brand with a poor reputation that is forever linked to the Air India 182 disaster.
Indian railways is going under it's own major upgradation. More than 30 thousand RKM are going to be under Kavach track protection systems, about 1000 stations being modernized and revamped, more than 100 European like train launched in last couple of years with about 500 more planned for next 5 years, a 500KM bullet train project under construction aided by Japan set to open by 2027, adding thousands of RKM every year, new modern trains to replace infamous open door regional trains. It's a whole different situation.
No matter how many airports we build in the next decade, it won't put a dent in railways. Indian railways is perennially underappreciated. It carried 8 Billion passengers last year compared to less than 200 million passengers who flew.
@shlok.shrivastav Indian railways capacity is impressive but I compare it to my experience with other railways in East Asia. There is much to improve. But I am not sure that they have the capital to improve. In China the state was heavily investing. But India is not China. Lets see.
@@marco21274 They have the capital too, I'd argue. There's just a lack of political and public will. Land acquisition is horrible. Railway unions protest the slightest bit of modern technology getting integrated. Politicians and Railway Babus don't know what world class means. And the most basic amenities being offered attracts criticism from brain dead people because they think having Air conditioning in a subtropical country is a 'luxury' China never had these problems btw.
@@marco21274 Idk if my last reply didn't go through, but I just said that India faces a lot more hurdles than China did and it's not just about capital, it's also abt land acquisition, govt stability, political will, public attitudes to any basic level of comfort, and Railway unions who oppose every integration of technology.
@@shlok.shrivastav Yeah, being democratic has some significant disadvantages here. China's government basically orders people to hand over their land when they do decide to make way for their plans.
From a distance, it sounds too good to be true. To do (big) business in India, I understand you need friends in very high places. Given the total outflow of dollars involved in buying 500 aircraft, there can't be that many airline friends Modi would support at the same time, surely?
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U forgot one thing TATA and Aurbus are Planning to convert c295 into civil purposes for AirIndia to operate those aircraft for Small Airports under Udan Scheme
Well, I heard a few people live in India.
Yeah just 1+ billion people rookie numbers
Just a few 😂
And millions of them moving from poor into the middle class👍
This is good for everyone! Especially those who are now able to travel by air and generally live better lives🙂
Yeah, but really just a few. The country is only ranked #1 in the world in number of inhabitants.
Yeah and bigger land than europe also
India has a jet engine intake on its flag, so what are you expecting?
HAHAHA LMAO, i never noticed that till now
Looks better than the INC's Swaraj flag with the Charkha at least.
Hahaha😂😂😂
Funny. Even Shiva chuckled...
...or not, and he just downgraded you in the karma cycle to a dung beetle in your next life for making fun of righteousness.
Nice one... 😂
6:42 Vistara was NOT a low cost carrier lol
Ig he said that coz they added all economy planes at the end? Still it was full service, so it shouldn't have been counted even then.
@@shlok.shrivastavthey have a significant number of isngle aisle planes with businesss amc premium economy cabins.
Or should i say they 'had' a lot of planes
@@shlok.shrivastav I didn't know Vistara had full economy planes towards the end. But it quite unmistakably had a bespoke business class product on both its short haul A320s and long haul 787s. And the brand was considered quite premium.
@@shlok.shrivastavI believe they had only two such aircraft. I had the misfortune of using one of them recently
Fun to watch mentour talking about my country.
I hope you enjoyed it!
Your country is moving forward while most Western Country's go backwards
@Maxx1066 It's more complicated than that. India suffers from a duopoly in the aviation Sphere. Indigo or Air India/Express.
Spicejet,Akasa,and especially India Air one are very uncommon. Compared to US,where you guys have Delta,Alaska,American,United,southwest,jetblue,and half a dozen smaller airlines,we have two airlines suckerpunching each other 24/7,while others barely survive,let alone grow. Akasa air barely has aircraft in my local airport. Not to mention other parts of our country.
But yeah,seeing Indigo as the top customer of the a320 and Air India Express' pretty 737 fleet gives me joy.
Vistara was a full service carrier in collaboration with Singapore Airlines.
Was? Just Three weeks ago I was still flying with them...🤔 Was their merger with Air India finished since then?
@@KedvespatikusYea, Vistara is no longer an airline. It merged with Air India on November 12 under the latter's brand. I do miss flying the purple bird.
Vistara, not Air India, should have been the surviving airline.
@@Kedvespatikusmerged officially on November 12th. But the aircraft and crew will still have the Vistara livery for sometime. Further Air India has announced all the “tier 1 metro” flights will be operated only with the 3 class Vistara and the few Air India A32x narrow bodies. Progressively all AI narrow body will be reconfigured to 3 class. Business, Premium Economy and Economy.
@@christophermcdonald1122branding. Plus Vistara was never profitable. So cost’s has to controlled and losses merged. Plus Singapore Airlines has to be brought in and given a stake in the combined Air India. Already code shares are put and being put in place beyond Singapore and beyond AI’s primary gateways at Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore.
UDAN meaning - fly
UDAN full form- Ude Desh ka Aam Nagrik meaning - let common man of country fly
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Love ur display name lmfao
Bro unironically named himself signa 😅
@@SoulDuckling126 that's a troll name. 😂 Bhikari means poor
Lol mamata didi op hamba hamba
Indigo loves their 320 neo alot
They do, they've had some engine issues, though
@@MentourNow So did GO First, and that's a major cause for their bankruptcy. Surprised more people haven't sued PW
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All those plane have PW engine.
@@shlok.shrivastavyeah that’s why indigo switched to CFM and are retiring planes with PW
You didn't cover the main point which is that most Indian LCC carriers have their fleet in a lease and sale back model. The first set of Indigo a320 neos which they ordered are already being sent back to their lessors, making them operate Newer, more fuel efficient aircraft. The fleet size of Indigo will never cross 600, by analysts estimates
Exactly what I said too. It's somewhat common afaik around the world, but Indigo's the one who uses it the most aggressively out of anywhere in the world.
This makes more sense because hearing about these carriers getting these planes my first question was one of manpower and where it was going to come from and at what level of quality it was.
Yup a lot of their planes from the first batch are now flying in south east asia so those 1300 aircrafts are for growth + continuous fleet renewal
Actually all carriers regardless follow SLB model. Air India’s legacy 777s were under a sovereign guaranteed loan with the US ExIm bank. Their 788s are also under SLBs.
But now Indigo is changing its business model to include long leases beyond 6 years which were the ironclad model of Gangwal, now that he is out.
Vistara was not a low cost carrier - It was full service.
I mean in indian standards it is full service 😂😂
Oh no 😢. Mentour has no idea what he just did. Bro just summoned the whole of India now 🇮🇳
Correction @ 6:40 : Vistara was a full service “premium” airline in partnership with SG. Air Asia was “lost cost”
Disappointed you didn't touch on how these planes are bought on Sale and lease back models, so they're definitely not taking as much risk as people think they are
1000+ plane orders is not a joke
@@oatx Of course, and I think its's a reasonable amount tbh, doesn't sound that crazy to me coz I've seen attitudes to flying in India change over the past decade or so. Peak hour rush at metropolitan airports is INSANE.
Hello Petter,
Can I add few statistics of IndiGo...
1. It operates over 2200 flights daily which is possibly 7 th highest in the world..
2. It carried over 100 million passengers in a Calendar year... Less than a handful of Airlines carry as many..
3. Market capitalisation of IndiGo is only next to Delta Airlines..
4. It's a clean safety record in its 18 years of operating...
5. Only less than 3% Indians fly which is not even a fraction of what developed world statistics... So Indian aviation is still in its infancy...
It's indeed poised for robust growth...
Another thing is also India's airline's benefit of being able to fly over Russia. Shorter route, cheaper tickets and the competition from western airlines gone on the fastest routes.
They don't take advantage of it too much unlike Chinese Airlines. Most of India's international flights go to the Middle East.
@@shlok.shrivastav I was more thinking if India betting on continued absence of western airlines over Russia, which seems likely, India might think of taking over that capacity with some of these new planes.
@@kw_awards Yes, but they're stretched thin trying to cater to existing demand already and route expansion will have to wait until the new places come in, by which point we might already see a resolution to the conflict.
@@shlok.shrivastav Could be, but there is also a good probability normalizing the relations will take several decades to mend, hence India sees their chance of new routes.
Thank you for covering this!
You're welcome, I hope you liked it!
@MentourNow Loved it! I haven't read or watched such a thorough analysis by any of the media outlets here in India. You did an AMAZING job. 💙🙏🏻
How the hell do you even become a spurs fan in India? I get it for someone who grew up in London, or for South Koreans coz they've got Son, but man you just set yourself up for eternal pain
@shlok.shrivastav There are a lot of spurs fans in India bhai. They've been suffering for decades now. Come to our screenings someday 😁
@@LilywhitesIndia Man I wanna call a wellness check on the Intersection of the sets of RCB fans and spurs fans.
Still could be worse, could be united over the past decade.
Once these aircraft are delivered, the competition with middle east airlines (emirates, qatar....) will heat up. Emirates uses a hub and spoke to get a large set of international travel passengers from india. These indian airlines will now provide point to point for indian passengers from the local cities.
It’s definitely going to be interesting to see how that pans out.
Hell no, try and match the experience with middle east and india, you'll get a vastly different experience.
@@tds_lunarrx5056 No one wants to use a hub, if it's nonstop they'll get outcompeted anw.
@@tds_lunarrx5056if it was that bad, then no one would be flying on Air India, Vistara, Indigo or Jet Airways in the old times.
@@shlok.shrivastav Icelandair used a hub and spoke model very effectively, but they are also uniquely positioned for it.
Airbus and TATA have already opened their C-295 factory in Gujarat.....
He touched on that near the end, and it's not civilian aircraft production tbf
@@shlok.shrivastav Civilian, military, it's all the same... to the Israelis. :(
@@shlok.shrivastavbut its not a fighter jet either. It is a military transport aircraft. I read some articles that tatas are interested in a civilian variant and are ready to place triple digit orders for it.
That aircraft if made will be a competitir for atr and bomardier Q400 type of aircraft that are used for small airfield under udan scheme by indigo and spicejet among some others.
The current fleet of AIX does not allow them to compete in that market as they only have 737 and 320's so that is why they want it.
Just wanted to correct something mentioned at 6:40.
Vistara wasn’t a low-cost airline.
it was a full-service premium carrier.
In fact, it was awarded the 16th Best Airline in the World by Skytrax in 2024.
While they did operate a few all-economy aircraft for smaller cities, the majority of their fleet, including the Airbus A321neo, offered premium services like 180-degree flat-bed seats in Business Class.
6:42 vistara wasn't a low cost airline, it was a full service airline with 787 service to Europe
1. Thank you for covering this topic!
2. Was expecting some snapshots of news articles projecting a growing middle class that would lead to the increased demand or factors like limited growth in railway infrastructure
3. Vistara has never been an LCC
4. The way China demanded an FAL to place its orders in the past, India should also create more pressure to give impetus to its aviation industry, Airbus especially has too many orders from India now
5. Practically, I don't think India will ever replace China as a manufacturing hub, democracy will not let that happen
6. I am excited for new airports creating potential for a hub and spoke model for airlines and improved services by indian airlines on point to point routes, right now, emirates/GCC carriers are in substance the national airline for India on routes to NA and EU
Number 4: Absolutely and I'm surprised the combined orders from Indigo and Air India didn't manage to convince Airbus to set one up at the very least.
Maybe they've become cautious after Comac (allegedly) stole an airplane.
Vistara was one of my favourite airlines
Thank you Petter for covering this topic on Indian Aviation. Looking forward for India to be play a significant role in coming years in aviation industry.
Oops! Vistara Airlines wasn't a low cost carrier but Air Asia India was.
This was very well researched and made! Well done❤
Thanks! I hope you enjoyed it!
Man I miss Jet Airways...
Yes, Indian skies badly miss those 9Ws
I am an aviation enthusiast now. I proudly say I was in the team who received the very first aircraft of IndiGo on Delhi airport back in year 2006. Love your videos. Just one thing at 2:55 the map of India is incorrect.
One thing to note is that Air India was once considered to be the Emirates of Asia back in its heyday. They were often the early adopters of new aircraft types like B747 however, once the company was operated by the government, a lot of things changed. For example the quality of service and just the general condition of the planes was plain awful and prices remained higher than they should have been.
Thus the confidence in government led Air India was steadily decreasing prior to the Tata acquisition.
On the other hand carriers like Indigo have been able to gain market share with affordable ticket prices (Air India is often slightly more expensive than Indigo) and generally with better service more comfortable planes and also a higher number of available routes with higher frequency.
Overall seeing Air India, Indigo and the general aviation industry growing in India is great and knowing that the flag carrier will be operated by Tata group one who is renowned for their quality of service (Vistara for example) there is little doubt that one day it will be the choice for the public.
I am not the smartest tool in the shed so do correct me if i am wrong.
Emirates of Asia? The UAE itself is an Asian country. Are you referring to the times before Emirates came into existence?
Thank you for the insight, it's hard to grasp what commercial aviation is like in a region I've never flown.
To the other commenter, I'm sure what he meant was "of Asia back then" if you read the greater context.
i wish both airlines good luck but hope they don't exceed their limits, history shows what happens when an airlines expands far too rapidly
With a changing market it's hard to judge what "too rapidly" means in this case
too many planes, not enough pilots to match, pilots not getting enough training,
@@joecrammond6221 They're setting up new flight schools
I just wanna wish you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
Very happy to see mentour now talking about our Country India ❤ I personally love flying with Akasa due to their brand new aircrafts but also gets afraid due to 737 past history. There are talks happening with govt to open either Airbus or Boeing facilities here or even both. Can't wait to see big planes being delivered from here. Thanks @mentournow for this video.
India's fertility rate is now slightly below replacement level; China's, however, is far below replacement level. Both countries are getting older, but China is getting there a lot faster. So India is likely to overtake China in manufacturing. In fact, given their population and education, they're likely to overtake the world. Indonesia and, maybe, Nigeria, may be able to compete, but they won't be able to match India's growth.
So India can probably support a much larger air fleet. The biggest question is when and how much bigger. And will newer technologies overtake these planes during their service lives.
Nigeria is in a huge economic downfall at the moment. I would bet much more on Asian countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. to have a bright prospering economic future.
Brilliant analysis as usual thanks for covering India ❤
SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
2:54 you've used a wrong indian map, in which some regions of the Ladakh are missing.
Thank you, we decided to use a map showing the area currently administered by India.
@@MentourNow Very likely video may get blocked in India for that, just a heads up.
@@MentourNow i would still recommend you to refer to the map given at the ministry of external affair, government of india. Link: www.mea.gov.in/india-at-glance.htm
Do you consider crimea to be Russian land? If so don’t even talk lol. I obviously side with India over China, but it’s very complicated. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to use the map of India which is under Indian control
Amazing Video and good research.
Keep up the good work 👍🏻
was waiting for this! a good video on indian aviation, thank you!
Just a small addition: Vistara - An airline where Tata had a 51% stake with the rest being held by Singapore Airlines, was a full-service carrier. The plan was to always considate Air India with Vistara when Tata took over Air India from the government, but it was delayed owing to some reviews by the competition commision. Singapore Airlines still owns a 31% stake in Air India post-merger
Loved the video. Very very well researched, as always. Thank you so much!
I wouldn’t be surprised if these orders are cancelled nearing to delivery dates.
Not really this ordered are meant to replace the older jets , second the order is Preety small compared to our population if you see the data , india is the 3 largest country in terms of aviation market with 7% growing rate
Your whole team, from this channel and Mentour pilot, do a great job, im glad to youtube algoritm that recomended those channels years ago, only fewl 3 times in my life, not sure if ill step in another aircraf, but love the content
10:56 Well the pronunciation of Indira was funny 😂 Anways , world's most populous country did get your attention at last 😅😅😊😊❤❤
As an indian consumer I would anyday prefer air india over indigo
I differ. I think I would much rather use a low cost carrier for flying a 50-70 min route, which I'm more likely to do anyway. AI was a substantially expensive option with the exact same cabin specs. Yeah but if AIR India was providing 2-3 cabin options with better food (esp for longer routes then, yes.) But that was not the case. Atleast not when indigo gained momentum.
love from india
INDIA going bonkers!
It's a huge market, with plenty of growth potential, for sure
Another interesting thing: Indigo's leased Turkish 777s fly a full-economy cabin housing 531 seats. I've heard from people that flew in those flights that it's quite a strain to serve those many passengers for the BOM-IST route
Always love your in-depth videos, and more so when you make a full analysis on my country's aviation news! So thank you. Air travel has increased significantly here, especially after the pandemic, and I have seen firsthand how it can overwhelm the infrastructure sometimes when the demand is high.
They are definitely reserving delivery slots for years to come.
Yes and that could actually be a key strategy of theirs...
We know the Best, What's going on.
Interestingly, India also has a record number of unemployed pilots, the pilot shortage refers to senior pilots , commanders, TRI and TRE's. There are PLENTY of First officers.
@MentorNow - Hey, you used wrong Map of India. Please rectify.
I'm from India and I 100℅ agree with what you said, Indian aviation is growing rapidly and they are gonna have shortage of EXPERIENCED PILOTS.
Airline like Indigo and Air India have their own Cadet programs but still they hire from Conventional pathway too which says alot about the demand.
But as a student Pilot I feel the quality of Instructors and Flight Schools in India isn't that great, Most of the ground instructors are not pilots themselves and the rest who are just teach for the sake of passing. Same is with flight schools they have alot of internal management issues, ego clashes, old aircrafta and very less freedom of flying.
Until Indian authority (DGCA) does something about it INDIA is going to face problems in supply of Good Technical and Knowledge pilots.
Thank you for your input, good luck with your training!
Personally, I feel like the DGCA isn't that great either tbh. As an outsider, their reports into incidents always seem very lacking to me. Almost as if they're afraid of transparency.
@@shlok.shrivastav agreed.
13:23 : air india and indigo are running aggressive cadet pilot recruitments to tackle this.
They hire like 20-40 people every few months and charge over 120k usd for their programmes
They will make some profit as well as get some future pilots who are contractually obliged to serve the airline for at least 7-10 years
Great to see videos about other countries. I would suggest one about Brazil. Gol on chapter 11, Azul struggles and Latam winning the market.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it!
OMG THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIAN AVIATION, I FEEL SEEN. Thanks Mentour Pilot! A long time fan from India!
1.000 planes for India is 1 plane for 1.4 Million citizens, not really much
True, but remember that like 30% of India is living under the poverty line.
It is rapidly reducing @@elestromusicgamesfun1101
@@elestromusicgamesfun1101 still 1 Million per plane
@@elestromusicgamesfun1101 Your data is little more than outdated, that was a figure from the 80s. Current estimates are somewhere around (or below) 10 percent.
@@mumar100Ur maths is as fcked up as ur logic, there's this variable called time.
I could say that humans drink 40,000 litres of water in their lifetime, so does that mean there will be drought tomorrow ?
Think about it.
Cool double bogey A320 at about 6:16
Oravel Stays, the India-based parent company of OYO International, acquired Motel 6 from Blackstone Real Estate for $525 million in an all-cash transaction. So India is anticipating the need to fly all of their replacement employees to America when they fire the existing staff. lol
I think you make a good point with the threat up upcoming tariffs for West Taiwan are a big factor. India has the opportunity to grab some manufacturing growth and use new air transport to move goods and modernize passenger aircraft at the same time. Might not buy a log of cargo ships since that's easily contracted out
Really fun to watch this as an IndiGo cadet pilot 😂😂 mentour pilot did an amazing job in this video and he is right about what he saying…love you man 💙💙
Excellent! Good luck with your training!
What does that mean for Co2 emissions? Airbus might not be allowed to sell that many jets to India due to growing Co2 emissions.
Their loss
India doesn't care that much for hypocritical west enforced emission standards that ignore the basic reality that the west already benefitted from polluting freely and industrialized but now expects developing countries to forego development in the name of environmentalism, especially without any compensation offered.
India has the primary responsibility to increase the standard of living of its citizens, not appease foreign interests. So if it means building coal plants coz its cheap or buying new planes because it benefits Indians, we will do it.
Still, India has committed to Net Zero by 2070, I think, but that's far away, and planes will be sold for a long time before then.
Till Russia stopped fuel supply, Europe was waxing eloquently about carbon emissions... The day Russia cut their supply the same Europe fired their coal based thermal power plants... That sums up Europe's concern for the world...
Only the Europe cares about co2 emissions , travel anywhere people don’t really care about CO2
Anyone ever listen to Mumbai ATC on HF frequencies? Crazy busy!
how to listen?
These days most cpdlc enabled aircarft just check in once to say they are cpdlc with Mumbai radio...
@@oatxuse a HF USB receiver...
Or home brew a vfo...
Freq are listed in iNetra portal of AAI
@@oatx There are at least a few ways to listen. If you don't have a shortwave radio at home with a good antenna then you go online to WebSDR, choose the station in the Netherlands at the University of Twenty. Aircraft transmitting on HF usually use the USB mode. I just heard Mumbai on 6661 khz. Other frequencies: 2872, 4657, 4675, 5601, 5658, 6655, 8909, 8948, 10018, and 10084. HF signals travel further, many thousands of miles, because those frequencies often bounce off the ionosphere. Also airlines oftentimes transmit digital information using ACARS stands for Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. Some hobby savvy people have put together their own decoders to copy those signals, too.
@@vu2pmc My guess is that eventually most voice communication will become obsolete.
Mentour, Vistara a JV of Tatas with Singapore Airlines, was always a full service carrier. AirAsia India was the LCC JV of the Tatas and Tony Fernandes’s AirAsia. We know the ethical issues that forced AirAsia to drop out of the JV. Back in the 1990s the Tatas tried to start a full service carrier in JV with SQ but were blocked by Naresh Goyal the owner of Jet Airways. So Air India coming back home to the Tatas was natural. Vistara had never made a profit in its years of operations so it made sense to merge into Air India to create a full service carrier. Similarly Air India Express and AirAsia India are merged to create a low fare carrier to compete with Indigo and Akasa. You will observe that the AiX will tilt to a complete 737MAX fleet. Air India will remain an all A320 family NB fleet. The wide bodies which were traditionally all Boeing (Vistara also flies only 789s as its WBs) will now become a more Airbus WB fleet.
India is a very toxic market for the traditional LCC model since all the associated services like airport, aeronautical, and fuel charges are common to all airlines. So this market is more of a low fare carrier market. The private airports are more shopping malls with PBBs attached, and have significantly high charges both levied directly on passengers in the form of User Development Fees, but also on airlines, and taxis etc.
Indigo is the single largest Airbus narrow body customer by a large margin. Their total order book with Airbus represents more than one year of TOTAL production.
However at least 50% of the orders are for fleet replenishment, and balance for expansion.
And lastly it’s pronounced Oodaan (meaning flight in Hindi) and not You-daan but this is purely for your academic interest.
I am reachable on X at BLRAviation of your want to chat.
Love both your channels and wishing you lots of success, blue skies and tailwinds.
Honestly it doesn’t mean anything if they both still have a huge backlog.
AIRBUS building their factory with partnership of TATA to build C295 aircraft but i am sure boeing wont put their plant in india because of their employe strike their employees striking for everything
indigo is such a good name
I had the opportunity to watch & participate in a Lufthansa cargo livestream this week - they are banking big on India as an emerging market.
After the pandemic revealed all the weaknesses in global supply chains, many companies are switching to a "China + 1" strategy when it comes to manufacturing aka keeping some of their existing production in China while also shifting some to newer locations in Vietnam and, of course, India.
I've never flown on Air India, but from a cargo perspective, they have been notoriously terrible. Indian customs is also a nightmare when it comes to cargo. I can't tell you how many times I've had to come up with politic ways to say "no, we're not trying to smuggle - my dock guys are just morons".
There is one point which I did not hear you mention - delivery dates. It is one thing to deliver those numbers over two years and quite another to deliver them over ten years. With the order book that Airbus is accumulating already, It is unthinkable thast the company could deliver those planes in any short period. It is more likely that when the last of the delivery is made then the fhe first ones received will have to be replaced. To give a complete picture you have to indicate over what time period are those plane orders are made to be completed..
With indias population, why didnt they buy bigger planes for the domestic market? Its more efficient that way with the same amount of pilots but more passengers. Cost per seat will be lower also, which helps india since many cant afford air travel.
You talked about the joint manufacturing for c-295 militry transport aircraft between airbus and tata but there is one more dimension to it.
I read some articles that tatas are interested in a civilian variant and are ready to place triple digit orders for it.
That aircraft if made will be a competitionfor atr-72 type of aircraft that are used for small airfield under udan scheme by indigo and spicejet among some others.
The current fleet of AIX does not allow them to compete in that market as they only have 737 and 320's so that is why they want it.
They already have the factory ready, they have the supply chain ready, i read that there is signifiact localization, most parts other than engine and some avionics are made in india, so a passanger variant should not be that hard. And maybe someday if they are able to satify india's demand they can even export them adding a new family member for airbus commercial lineup
I could be wrong but I believe the C-295 is a much heavier aircraft than the ATR72, so unless India has no other option (rough fields) the ATR would be cheaper to operate. And India is improving its airports, as I explain in the video!
6:40 After the failure of Jet Airways with a dwindling Air India, Vistara was probably the only real player in Luxury air travel in india. So not a low cost airline by far.
My Air India flight was cancelled after incoming aircraft had such a hard landing at Vizakhapatnam it wasn’t allowed to fly again , so perhaps their attrition rate is a bit higher.
Who's going to maintain all these planes? I hope they don't cut any corners in this aspect.
India is known for being a “techy” & country so I doubt they’d have a lack of the right manpower
They are adding a lot of MRO capacity, too.
Also U didn't mention that Indian airlines get preferential treatment from Russia that they can fly over Russian airspace, decreasing costs and travel time while European and American can't.
The indian economy is growing very fast :)
The Earth and the Sky say thank you.
does the best youtuber respond?
Bro vistara was not a low cost airline
Aviation is growing in India. I saw your stream yesterday I don’t think you know that default msfs aircraft suck. Microsoft gives you shitty planes assuming you’re going to buy a 80 dollar 777.
Good to see story on Indian aviation... 🎉 kudos.
I am wondering if the large order is also strategic in making it harder for competitors to get new aircraft. that would seem to me to be a part of a broad strategy to gain a dominant market position in the air travel market.
Eyyy nice an episode about India
Thank you. I never imagined my request to be fulfilled within hours.And that was a very good overview too. I personally think that indian airlines are over reaching themselves a bit considering the risky geopolitical future.
We'll see! It's hard to tell if they're over-reaching or if the country's growth will beat their estimates.
There is already a long waiting list for Airbus aircraft. So how long will it take Airbus/Boeing to complete these orders?
I came to know there are many routes are waiting to begin upon new aircrafts arrival and people are demanding for more flights from
Existing domestic routes.
"Not unusual" lol
If only we had a word for that.
I know they’re theoretically a LCC but do you think IndiGo might join oneworld?
I'm watching this sitting at an airport (In India) waiting at the gate.
I'm flying Indigo A320.
Trains in India are always full, as long as the ticket price can be low enough there's yuge demand
The map of India is incorrect. Part of northern most India map is incorrect. Please check.
We used a map showing the area currently administered by India.
@@MentourNow disregard that, they spam the same crap under every single video that shows a map of that country
@@jolly-rancher That's just so wrong. It's kind of like showing a USA map without Alaska except the Northmost India is crucial for national security against aggression from our very peaceful neighboura. Won't you be commenting about the same if it was about you?
I am an Indian. Presently there is only Indigo Airlines in India that we can trust. All others have flight delayed or flight cancelled issues, but very rarely with Indigo. My personal experiences with Spice Jet and Air Asia were awful a number of times, but never with Indigo, till date.
India could use some high speed rail to complement its growing airline industry.
Already under construction.
@@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl Yeah and I am really envious, because around here we keep talking about it, but nothing is being built.
Best of luck to India to keep expanding its rail network.
The TATA group made a major mistake in winding down Vistara, an airline with a quality reputation for service and comfort, in favour of Air India, a brand with a poor reputation that is forever linked to the Air India 182 disaster.
can the airports expand enough?
Are they trying to increase passenger capacity to compete with or even supersede India's aging and over-crowded rail transit system?
Indian railways is going under it's own major upgradation. More than 30 thousand RKM are going to be under Kavach track protection systems, about 1000 stations being modernized and revamped, more than 100 European like train launched in last couple of years with about 500 more planned for next 5 years, a 500KM bullet train project under construction aided by Japan set to open by 2027, adding thousands of RKM every year, new modern trains to replace infamous open door regional trains. It's a whole different situation.
6:40 vistara isnt a low cost carrier
do you have to pay some amount during the order? Because if not it makes sense to just order a lot because the wait list is a decade or more.
It’s really exciting to study to be a pilot here rn
I think aerospace engineers are in demand too
I think it will be a great success because India is struggling to build high speed rail.
No matter how many airports we build in the next decade, it won't put a dent in railways. Indian railways is perennially underappreciated. It carried 8 Billion passengers last year compared to less than 200 million passengers who flew.
@shlok.shrivastav Indian railways capacity is impressive but I compare it to my experience with other railways in East Asia. There is much to improve. But I am not sure that they have the capital to improve.
In China the state was heavily investing. But India is not China. Lets see.
@@marco21274 They have the capital too, I'd argue. There's just a lack of political and public will. Land acquisition is horrible. Railway unions protest the slightest bit of modern technology getting integrated. Politicians and Railway Babus don't know what world class means. And the most basic amenities being offered attracts criticism from brain dead people because they think having Air conditioning in a subtropical country is a 'luxury'
China never had these problems btw.
@@marco21274 Idk if my last reply didn't go through, but I just said that India faces a lot more hurdles than China did and it's not just about capital, it's also abt land acquisition, govt stability, political will, public attitudes to any basic level of comfort, and Railway unions who oppose every integration of technology.
@@shlok.shrivastav Yeah, being democratic has some significant disadvantages here. China's government basically orders people to hand over their land when they do decide to make way for their plans.
From a distance, it sounds too good to be true. To do (big) business in India, I understand you need friends in very high places. Given the total outflow of dollars involved in buying 500 aircraft, there can't be that many airline friends Modi would support at the same time, surely?