Are Intel Arc Graphics A Bad Idea?
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
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Intel Arc graphics cards have already faced many challenges both before and after launch; how can they compete with the likes of Nvidia and AMD?
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I really hope they don't kill it. Having 3 card manufacturers instead of 2 is great for the consumer.
Agreed. Hopefully, Intel will stick with this. Even though I don't plan on switching anytime soon, this introduces more competition and forces prices down, and innovation up. We'll get better cards for cheaper in the end so long as Intel can keep in the game.
Yeah, but intel is such a brand, if they got a good product in this marcet m they will fuck up the price imidiately. Much worse company than nvidia or amd.
@Josip Broz You can say that about every corporation out there. More competition means they'll bring down prices not because they're good guys, but to compete for sale with NVIDIA and AMD.
Three competitors would force the game development to focus more on compatibility instead of gpu specific, vendor sponsored games. Nvidia's Portal Remaster for example runs horribly on amd gpus, but they could run well optimized, if nvidia's developers wanted to.
Therefore Intel is absolutely doing the right steps in focussing on the Vulkan Api. In that point they have to talk more with game studios though to establish Vulkan against DirectX complexity and vendor dependency.
Then buy their cards!
I hope they don't kill it, not everyone can afford or need $800+ cards.
They won't kill it, they've finally discovered how important a GPU is as a co-processor. Like back in the day when you had the x86 CPU but also a x87 math co-processor which incidentally was also important for gaming performance. History repeats eh?
Then stop buying nvidia, you aren't helping anyone you know
@@xFluing and what are we supposed to buy then ? amd is pretty expensive too...
@@xFluing we’re helping ourselves, to get better performance.
That's why mid-tier cards exist. Hell I'm still on a 8gb Vega 56 getting 60 plus FPS out of Spider-Man remastered on ultrawide 1440p.
The vast majority of people don't need a top-of-the-line graphics card regardless of what marketing tells you.
I’m still excited about the potential for Intel graphics cards. The launch is a bit rocky, but it’s a completely new product… of course it’ll have growing pains.
Exactly, NVIDIA and AMD have been developing GPUs for years, it’s silly to think any company could suddenly match them on driver maturity. If they keep the costs down enough for the AIBs to offer a bargain they could be good for the GPU market.
Same. Been in team red a very long time, but I'm excited to buy a battlemage card when they come out. Alchemist, no.
I have the A770 after upgrading from an RX 480. Can't say its been smooth sailing, but the drivers are getting there.
@@MmntechCa Ooo this is exactly the path I will be going too. Are you on MSWindows or Linux?
After seeing it in action I'm sold that they have a place.
I think Intel Arc will servive if they spread into laptops and prebuilts. I think people who don't know much about computers would buy into the Intel brand.
Arc 770m is laptop edition and it already doing well
If I could get dedicated graphics in a laptop for under 1k$ I'd buy it.
@@Melatoninist you can for a long while now. Asus tuf f15, Acer Aspire 7, Acer nitro 5 etc. All has 3050's for less than 1k
They have had many many years of integrated laptops graphics solutions. They really should be better than they are. I think the current solution is called xe or iris. Something along those lines.
@@AlbertJarodIbay not well built and not really suited for office use, we mostly need something efficient
The GPU team at Intel is doing everything right. They are still learning so they make mistakes and are learning.
Breaking into the GPU market is just REALLY hard and has to take time. They have to have known that and eventually can be a really strong part of the GPU market.
Attacking the midtier is MOSTLY the perfect strategy. Thats where the biggest part of the market is. 1060 and 1650 being the most popular GPUs.
Only issue may be that in these growing pains, the growing pains of a new card is something more suited to the people would would tend towards the higher tier.
Hope they stick to it.
It makes far more sense for them to make their mistakes in the lower price tiers than in the $800+ region.
"It's not perfect but it only cost $300" is far better than "it cost me more than $800 and isn't perfect"
Choose one pill
A 350 card that has driver issue or
A 1600 card that's gonna burn your house
Yes, that's exactly the problem. The low-end cards they are selling are meant for a target audience where the technology has to just work without troubleshooting anything. And that's not the ARC experience to date. There is also the rumor that the A770 doesn't even come close to meeting performance expectations, and based on its die size was meant to be a competitor not to the 3060, but to the 3070 Ti. A GPU that trades blows with the 3070 Ti and comes in cheaper than a 3060 would indeed be something special. As it stands, it's priced like a 3060 and performs like a 3060, unless you run DX11 or older games, or have an older system without ReBAR. You know, because you're on a budget and shopping for a budget video card for an older but still reasonably good rig.
@@megachonk9440 honestly, as someone in the ARC's target population, I'd rather a cheap card with issues than an expensive card with issues. Like, imagine spending a thousand dollars or more and still getting issues. The contrast between "Cheap with a few issues, extra steps" and "Expensive with a few issues, extra steps" is massive since you typically expect expensive stuff to just work.
Honestly, targeting low to mid range markets is a pretty smart business plan. There really isn’t much available in that market range at the moment.
Plus if they can utilize some of what they learn and do to improve their iGPU then they could really go back to dominating the laptop market.
Because they cant compete with the higher end chip cards. Not because they chose to lmao
@@neoand3rson agreed
@@neoand3rson to be real, given the profit margins, it's better to cast a wider net against a bunch of fish than getting a whaling ship to try to harpoon dolphins...
...unless you're Japanese, of course
The biggest issue for A770 is the one he didnt mention- it costs the same as the Radeon 6700XT which is solid, has dependable drivers on every platform, and is much fatser in every metric but rayracing
Honestly, we need to keep that midrange market alive for components since not everyone has the money to shill out thousands for a single component or really need a 4090's level of power. So im all for keeping these in the market, if not for me then the new buyers that need a starting point.
Their real power move is to make them less dependent on resizable BAR for performance. The upcoming Battle Mage equivalent of the 380 could score meaningful market share by becoming the de facto standard for “card you buy to drop into an office PC for cheap gaming”…but it needs to be less dependent on reBAR to do that.
@@doesitgame u seem pro xD i like that
I hope next gen of intel ARC is affordable on the mid-range, would consider them then because currently my 3060 just fine
Same, even though my 3060ti will run just fine for years and years to come, Id like to hop off the nvidia bandwagon with how they are going.
Just a fyi the price has lowerd and they come with codw2 for free. Also some sites are doing raptor/alder lake cpu gpu bundles. Memory express had a 13700k A770 for $700 cad few weeks back.
i'm just glad that we finally have team red, green and blue, the RGB competition in the graphic card industry
The Trifecta :) of power!
I just got the A770 Limited Edition and it has been GREAT- even though I'm currently running it in a 6th-gen 6600K/Prime Z270-A system that doesn't even have Resizable BAR or PCIe Gen 4. It's a huge uplift over my ROG Strix GTX 1060 6GB, and I expect it to be even better once my Z590 and 11700K get here.
For reference, the games I'm mostly playing right now are:
-Valheim
-MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
-Empyrion: Galactic Survival
-V-Rising
-Conan Exiles: Age of Sorcery
It's silly, but I'd love to run a Microsoft GPU on an AMD motherboard.
@@djchristian82 I think it's great Intel targeted a reasonable TDP and performance level, which allowed them to set a reasonable price. At $350, the A770 is a great value.
It's fun to watch Linus install 18 $2,000 GPUs on a $3000 mobo with 128GB RAM or whatever, but I'm just never going to be buying top-end enthusiast stuff brand new, the prices are insane especially on a performance-per-dollar basis over the mid-tier stuff.
Plus it's an incredibly pretty card, the styling is amazing.
@@PropaneWP I thought about going AM4 but honestly Ryzen prices are too damn high, even for 3000 and 5000 series stuff...and it does seem like sacrilege lol. Idk if the Deep Link Hyper Compute stuff works from Intel Arc to AMD integrated Radeon anyway though.
@@PropaneWP Microsoft?
I really hope you bought that 11700K and the z590 used. Which would be a good deal depending on the price you got them for.
Brand new the price to performance is really bad.
Would be amazing to see what they can achieve in 5+ years
Arc A770 has been treating me well this past month or so, won’t be going for battlemage unless performance uplift is drastic but I’m planning to stay intel when they release their 3rd gen gpus.
Even though the graphics card shortage is over, I still can’t afford one
Well RTX cheap as hell. But during recession - there's a high chance it would increase in price. Sheesh
Work overtime, 2nd job? XD
@@nikyabodigital WHAT???? RTX IS MOST DEF NOT CHEAP IN THE CURRENT MARKET!
Welcome to the club 💪
In india it's artificially inflated so...
People forgot that when Vega cameout, they also aimed for midrange only…
Remember RDNA1? RX 5700 XT? That was also not a high end card
You need to rock on a low/mid range markets first
People seems to forget that
Intel's worst problem isn't manufacturing or performance, it's management. Executives sat on their monolopy for decades while AMD was on the backfoot. Now that AMD is competing, Intel is being forced to innovate while having the luggage of exec bonuses and sales quotas. I have no hope for domestic chip manufacturing =_=
Intel is doing fine now, if you said this last year, yeah sucks to be intel. But from all things happening recently I think Intel woke up and is doing a great job. I just hope they don't abandon GPU marked. They need to hold up, from what I have seen they are sorting out driver issues for Arc and hopefully we get Battlemage GPUs from intel.
Intels worst problem with Arc is that value buyers already have AMD. the 6700XT is the same price as A770 and thumps it in every metric but RT, and has pretty much the most stable drivers available across all common platforms (Never thought i would say that last bit about AMD but here we are).
@@testtest8399 Starting to do “fine” in the midst of sky high inflation and global recession, with tech companies getting their market caps smashed. Too little, too late. They got into gpus out of desperation.
Keep in mind there’s also a lot of uncertainty around the semi market due to tensions with China.
@@someguy3186 Yeah and AMD showed they are not really that much better than intel when they got ahead. When intel was having sky high prices because they had the edge it was "intel bad", now with recent launches AMD also showed they know perfectly well to overprice their stuff in both CPU and GPU market.
Remember that they launched their latest flagship CPU at $700 msrp and intel priced their flagship cpu at 590$ msrp. Also AMD was supposed to be the savior in GPU space where they could have undercut the fuck out of nvidia 4080/4090 with both 7900 xt/xtx version. They did basically none of those things.
On cpu side they dropped prices because they HAD to, just like intel dropped them because they HAD to if they want to stay competitive(not sure why everyone still considers AMD as a good guy now).
Lets not even mention that while xtx variant is in theory better card than 4080 it is lackluster in RT performance(I personally don't care about RT), but also nvidia has edge on software side(not strictly drivers, but other software that is available on their GPUs).
Both 1k and 1.2k are both pretty high prices and usually people that can spend 1k can spend 1.2k for overall better performance.
The thing in the end is both are companies that want to earn money and people should just buy thing that give them best performance for their money and honestly stop considering buying AMD purely because they are "a good guy". They are same as intel and nvidia, just that for a long time they couldn't compete in neither properly and if they didn't have good price for performance ratio they would be out of business.
Well, intel has always had a commitment averse board, I was explaining earlier they didn't even want to commit to making X86 chips, could have been doing so years earlier but the board said no to some very smart people they employed, year after year. But then this is understandable, the board of any wealthy corporation is always far more interested in making money in the short term than investing sufficiently to make far more in the long term.
But as to domestic chip manufacturing, it is not intel that will kill that, it is capitalism. Why did chip manufacturing bugger off abroad to begin with?? the same reason America has rust belts due to all its manufacturing moving abroad, capitalism incentivised it to be done in order to lower the cost of wages and materials which in turn increases profits which then go out the door as unearned income via dividends to shareholders, a handful of whom will get the majority of. The invention of the jet engine and shipping container incentivised every western capitalist who could, to bugger off abroad where they can hire a PhD qualified engineer for less than the cost of a cleaner in Texas. Capitalism literally incentivised our western capitalists to sell out their own nations across the west, in pursuit of higher dividend payments for themselves alone.
So, Biden is chucking $50 billion dollars at rebuilding US chip making... Here is how that will go:
It will remain viable until the subsidy stops.
^ Did you get that....
The cost of manufacturing chips in the USA to a capitalist is VASTLY higher than to the same capitalist doing so in Taiwan or China. The only thing that will prevent them from sending it all abroad again in due course is if American tax payers are forced to cough up the profit those capitalists wont get by producing in the US instead of Taiwan or China, and coughing up billions, every year, all to hand to the pockets of handfuls already richer than God could count.
Capitalism, ripping off and conning the general populations of most nations since circa 1650. Its an inglorious corrupt anti democratic anti Christian wonder to behold when you understand it systemically. But it does produce some nice momentary baubles even if decimating the world to do so.
I honestly wish Intel the best in all their efforts
Loving my A770 so far ^x^
what a strange thing to say, but i agree, we need more competition
i still dont like their CPU pricing and development strategies tho...
When looking at the Intel Roadmap, it looks like the plan includes moving parts of the new Arc architecture back into integrated graphics in the future. The more they get sorted out now, the less issues later. Laptop gaming will be a much better thing in the coming years, AMD has been greatly improving their own integrated graphics as well.
Arc is getting promising. Even in some games the a770 competes with a 3070ti for significantly cheaper. Also the architecture is really showing it’s 4k and RT abilities. There’s so many games I expect it to tank but fps barely drops. I’ve seen a lot of games where going from 1440 to 4k only drops a few fps while with everything else out there you usually lose like 40 percent of your fps. It’s got a lot of promise. Once they get the stability down I feel the range is gonna be awesome. Even in this mess it’s showing if pushed it could be insanely versatile. We definitely need more competitors to knock Nvidia off their monopoly greed schemes.
Arc has been pretty good on Linux. It too had some teething issues with earlier Mesa driver releases causing random lockups across a lot of games, but it seems those issues have been fixed. The latest drm-next kernel also has audio over HDMI working now. Where it hasn't had many issues is in performance. Since Linux uses Vulkan and OpenGL exclusively on the driver side, Intel's been doing well. DirectX 9/10/11 are implemented using DXVK and it runs great on Arc. It's even been suggested as a way to improve Arc performance on Windows. Copying the DXVK implementation of DirectX into many Windows games (by copying .dll files into the game's directory) provides a big performance boost. This boost is just the norm on Linux where DXVK is used for all GPU manufacturers alike.
Let's hope they stick with it.
The weird part about the marketing strategy: hardware targets midrange buyers that make up the bulk of Steam users, but doesn't support older APIs when most people using midrange to low end graphics cards are also the sort to be playing replayable old games instead of buying the latest AAA games while they're still $50 or more much less with ray tracing (come on, people with 2060, 3050, 3050Ti laptops, 3060, and 3060 Ti are buying these for the Tensor cores and DLSS, not the RT cores and actual RT). So even if they do well on benchmarks some of the people within the group they're targeting might not get them on account of there being a game they still find fun but hasn't been updated to run on at least DX11.
I bought one to experiment with, so far with the new drivers it's been decent... though I'm still waiting for SteamVR support (and the next LTT Arc challenge video)
Which model do you have? Did performance increase in DX12/Vulkan titles as well or only Dx9-11? If it did by how much?
@@testtest8399 A770 16GB LE
3:15 It's worth mentioning that DXVK (a DX11 to Vulkan translation layer originally developed for Linux) can yield marked improvements in framerates and latency for those older games.
CSGO is fixed with the latest driver update, no DXVK needed, more than twice the averages and 1% lows.
Intel Arc is now using DXVK for older APIs, it's what fixed the performance issues
Grabbed an Arc a750 before Christmas.
Pulled my 5700xt out and gave it a go.
It's great. No issues with drivers, no crashes, no heat issues, just a smooth experience thus far. I've had my 5700xt since launch. I lost track of how many crashes, green screens, heat issues, software issues etc .
Only gripe, Fan control and a small amount of coil whine .
The Gpu-market needs competition... -Hoping they don't "Google" it!
Everyone needs to remember that this is the first lineup of GPUs intel have made. Give them a few years ironing out bugs and getting them working well in tandem with their CPUs and we'll see a strong contender. I'd happily buy an Intel card for my next upgrade!... about 4/5 years from now.
Bought it back in December and I am really impressed with the performance! I paired Intel Arc A770 with Ryzen 7 5800X3D (and 32gb RAM) because I play Star Citizen.
The games I play:
- Star Citizen
- Star Trek Online
- Modern Warfare II (2022)
- Uncharted
- Halo Infinite
- Gotham Knight
You can pretty much play any games!
I was expecting the launch to be a lot worse. Intel is pretty good with driver updates so most issues have been already fixed. Rooting for them. More competition is better for us consumers especially when we are tired of not only the high prices but also stock that sells out in minutes
I hope they stick around. The longer that they are here the better they will get.
Brother got me the 750 for Christmas and so far I really like it
@@djchristian82 The 6600 isn't faster lol. Maybe in some games where the support isn't that great, but most of the time, it's in between a 6600xt and 6700xt.
If they are still around by 2025 I’ll buy one on my new build.
The improvement in drivers and performance they are making is really good tbh. I feel like the next gen of them will be really good
I purchased an a770 and I've been pretty happy. There have been some issues especially with older titles, but overall the performance has been good.
Team Red, Team Green... and Intel joining as Team Blue, we have all the RGB we want (?)
My A770 has been fun to play around with. There are bugs and such. But nothing that I didn't expect. And I'm never sure if Arc is causing or the game because I've been playing MW2 which is jank... And division 2 which is jank. So crashes happen on Nvidia as well. It's fun.
If only they got their cards to the market months sooner, they would have flew off the shelves. They missed the mark.
I really wanna build with an Intel GPU. They're soooo much smaller than other things out right now, plus the chance to get in early and mess with it would be fun.
Just watched The Friday Checkout and it seems that Intel is at 4% marketshare in 3 months. If that will be confirmed in more sources, it means Intel really did something smart. PS: in the source used by TFC AMD share is going down and Nvidia went up in 2022.
Re AMD, not for lack of customers but for lack of supply due to their incompetence and greed. I have bought ATi/AMD cards for the most part, for 25 years. I wanted an RX 6800XT. I have an RTX3070. There is your answer as to why Nvidia gained market share, it wasn't because of anything additional they did, they simply had more available GPU's than AMD, but now even availability wont save either of them as they took too much money from too many for too long and their reputations are damaged beyond belief for the doing of that.
Here to say their cards are great, latest drivers are really on target and I currently am not experiencing any problems with my games. I have A750 and A770. I run games in 4k native and just about every game hits 60fps. I recommend getting a displayport 2.0 or HDMI 2.1 cable for these cards. The cards work best with newer equipment. I am running 12600k, 32gb ram (ddr5) (msi and asus z690 boards, resize bar enabled). A clean install on the drivers works best. I played recently Tiny Tinas, Guardians Of the Galaxy
Intel has the money and building the capability to compete with AMD and Nvidia in the future. Pat Gelsinger seems to be investing a lot for long term so hopefully in 5 years time we'll have 3 manufacturers to choose from for high and lowend cards.
This us a new venture for them starting from scratch. They just need time. From what I’ve seen of their drivers now from launch is a huge step up in performance while having far less bugs and issues. And that’s within only a few months. Imagine a few years of generations of intel gpus how far they’ll come.
The market can do with some extra focus on the midrange segment. The prices for high end GPUs are getting crazier by the generation and are affecting the prices of mid-range cards as well.
Most people actually want low and mid range cards. Definitely the biggest segment of the market, regardless of whether they should want said cards or not. Intel is smart to focus there.
And personally, though I just got a 3060ti almost 2 years ago, I look forward to having Intel as an option for my next purchase
The extra experience would certainly be valuable for improved integrated graphics. Imagine how much power savings you could have on a gaming system if the GPU and CPU were on one chip. (Kinda like how Apple did it with M1.)
Thats AMD chips on consoles. Except you cant add fast gddr ram to chip itself, so it needs to be soldered together on board. Thats why it wont get into classical PC builds.
"Gamers won't have much patience"
I must disagree.
Gamers are waiting since more than a decade for TES VI, more than a decade for Dawn Of War 3 (because there was NEVER one), etc....
Or when your game is loading because "No, of course 1500 mods isn't overkill"
Gamers *knows* how to wait.
On the other hand, kids that didn't get beaten enough and have an attention span of 3s don't know how to wait.
I’d absolutely love one, but unfortunately for Intel’s GPU division their CPU division did too well with Haswell and Broadwell so there’s no need for me to upgrade my 6900K…and there’s no reBAR there.
Also, Dawid does Linode spots better. Sorry, Riley.
Ha I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to be mean to Riley. A collab between Linus and Dawid that would be good, would get a lot of views i think too.
You're seriously underestimating how much better new CPUs are
@@tbunreall You’re missing the point. Yes, newer CPUs are better…but my Broadwell octacore is bottlenecked by even a 6700XT in essentially everything that’s not CS:GO or Valorant... and that’s at stock clocks; it’s still a K-sku.
Why upgrade a component that’s still not the limiting factor of a system? That’s just creating e-waste.
@@doesitgame You'd probably get 20 fps more just from upgrading your CPU to something that could run faster ram, let alone improvements from CPU cache. Really, it's what you're able to live with for gaming and that's different for everyone
@@tbunreall You know the 6900K has the same memory bandwidth as the 12900K, right?
And that’s now how GPU-bound titles work anyway.
Games where *anyone* running a Haswell or Broadwell CPU would gain 20fps with a 6700XT are games where 20fps is meaningless. No one actually cares if they go from 390 to 410fps in CS:GO. And to get a 20fps improvement in games where I would want it and find it meaningful would mean an $800+ GPU upgrade atop a $350 CPU upgrade. So yeah, fantastic value proposition to gain a few percent relative improvement for over $1100 outlay.
Even Linus, on the very LTT channel, found earlier this year that the 4770K - a Haswell *quad* core - was GPU limited by a 3060Ti. A quad core. There’s just no need to upgrade from Haswell or Broadwell or Skylake hexacore/octacore CPU unless you’re pairing with an enthusiast tier card in the first place…which, in the context of the video we’re commenting on, means you’re not “upgrading” to an Intel dGPU anyway.
I think the cards are good but the software leaves a lot to be desired. I hope they can improve on it in the coming years, it is truly the Achilles heel of this product
No one can pronounce Linode quite like Dawid.
I recently bought a Radeon RX6600 new for £229 (and it came with 2 free games worth £100), whereas the Intel Arc A770 (when you can find it - Amazon UK seems to have no Arc cards at all!) is £379 from the same UK retailer (Ebuyer).
However, if you look at Passmark's GPU benchmarks (though these are averaged from user submissions, so could be dragged down by early Arc driver woes), the RX6600 has an overall GPU perf rating 44% higher than the A770! With this sort of massive price/perf disparity, Intel Arc is a really tough sell for most users.
I really dont mind the idea of intel being mid-range for the time being. All I want is an affordable gpu that keeps me up to date with new titles. The problem I have with it (which i'm aware theyre trying to fix with driver updates) is that older games sometimes run considerably worse than the compentition on the same price range.
I have only ever bought a high end card (GTX 1080) and it was a second hand one when the next gen had already launched, but even from my performance expectations, the fact that their drivers lack so much compatibility really breaks the deal for me.
Specially as a non-top-of-the-line gamer, I value older game compatibility and emulation over any "DX13 ultra plus extreme RT" buzzword nonsense, I just want my current library to work as I have come to expect.
The Arc cards make for great media server cards, I can't remember the specifics but their special sauce makes for a great encoder and compression card.
It has the encoder/decoder for all the major video codecs; h264, h265, AV1 & VP9. AV1 being the new hotness that things like Twitch streams will be switching over to in the future.
That said there is a hold up in the media server software end. In not supporting a lot of those standards. Plex for instance barely supports h.265 even though its been an industry standard for several years now. But others like Jellyfin already do.
There should be a video of cooling with exotic methods. Eg using a data vac to cool a cpu, or cooling a only the ihs with a upside down can of compressed air
Although the current gen Arc is not that impressive it will still be a good improvement over Intel integrated graphics for laptops and pre-builds. The drivers really need to get better before I would recommend someone to buy a arc card, unless they are way cheaper then everything else even the used market. But the hardware seems reasonably promising for a first gen product so I am hopefully for they will manage something more competitive in the next gen or so.
I own both a RTX 4090 and an A770. Intel's Arc GPUs are a first generation product. Arc GPUs are, to me, much like AMD's Ryzen 1000 CPUs: an impressive start. Right now the best bang for the buck low end GPU is hard-fought between the RX 6600 and the A750. I look forward to seeing the Arc B GPUs. One more thing: we have seen 3xx and 7xx GPUs but Intel's naming conventions go 3, 5, 7, and 9 so I wonder how the 9xx versions - presumably the halo GPUs - will perform? Indeed, maybe Intel will take Arc to 11?
High hopes for Battlemage. It really seems like the software and driver game is all that's holding them back
Once Plex has AV1 support (they're working on it) I'll probably get a low end Arc card for my server. Battlemage might be out by then.
I have used Intel products for decades and they never really put out bad products. My worry is if this card will go the way of their motherboards which were really great during the 2010-2015 era but they discontinued support and stopped making them.
in 4-5 years we could be seeing Qualcomm CPU desktop PC builds with Intel Graphics cards... whoouie
The biggest thing for them is to continue the line no matter what. People’s biggest concern is a lack of later support, so if they keep these cancellation rumors going, people will never adopt it to begin tih
Any competition is good, market is a dumpster fire
I don't think so. They have to start somewhere. They should have known it wouldn't be a stellar launch and would probably cost them for some time. I think in the long run it's a great thing though. You can't really complain about having a third option on the market. I would personally buy an Arc GPU further down the line when they have worked out all the major kinks over a fews gens of GPUs.
I hope Intel becomes a proper player in the GPU market, because then the main competitors would be RGB.
They will grow with workstation computer combos with CPU and GPU.
Personally i'm waiting for Plex to add support for AV1 transcoding in their media server. If that comes, with hardware support, i'll definitely be getting an Intel GPU for my media server/NAS
Proposal. You could make a video about the history and development of video cards. Maybe even in several episodes. I would definitely be interested in that. PCs for me started with the intel 386. Before the first voodoo video cards that came out. We lowered the resolutions of doom 2 just to be able to play it on 386/486.
The last thing I have realized that I have missed is the disappearance of double, triple, ... video cards from the systems. There is probably a lot more to tell.
"It does make some sense, considering how new Intel is to the discreet graphics game"
No. No it most certainly does NOT and I wish people would stop making this particular excuse for Intel. I say this because Intel has been in the *embedded* GPU market for a loooooooong time. They are not in any way new to graphics. They knew full well what they would face. They *should* have even had a leg up on anyone else trying this because of this long experience with graphics already. Instead they somehow nosedove headfirst into epic failure on their drivers even worse ... because of their leg up? No. No sense to be found here. Nor excuses.
A380 is the hope for keeping the 75W class going, we really need that!
Imagine future Intel processors with built in ARC graphics in it, that would be wild and gamechanging on GPU market
Except you already have AMD APU’s with RDNA2. What you become limited by is die area that can be dedicated to the graphics, heat generation, power requirements and memory bandwidth.
Since it was mentioned, a breakdown on the cost of graphics cards may actually be a good idea.
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A new, budget-friendly, gaming-focused GPU brand is exactly what this market needs, to help the consumers. I hope Intel can do it right.
Really want to see Battlemage come out. 1st generation Intel gpus were never going to beat Nvidia or AMD, but without Alchemist Intel could never get the design experience and actual in-the-wild consumer feedback to find bugs and make a good product. There's only so many problems that can be found and fixed ahead of time on a trial run, it takes time and iterations to perfect them.
Love the potato. Intel needs to not even try at the top of the stack for a while. Get to where they can produce solid low and mid range and they will do fine.
Especially if they can figure out a card that’s slot powered only.
As Microsoft and Intel work well together with drivers etc I personally will be getting one. Sure its having issues but like a new kid you have to trip a few times before you can run. Also anyone noticed we now have R (amd) G (nvidia) B (Intel)
I think Intel has a real chance of dominating in like 2 generations once they're all caught up on the drivers and all that, but I don't think the prices will stay as low as they are now.
I would like to see an apu made by intel i7 with arc mobile, that sht will dominate market
Competition is a good thing.. They just don't compete yet
At least three released cards this time. Unlike last time they said they were gonna launch a discrete GPU.
I recently bought an A380 because I don't REALLY game all that much, but do a fair bit of video editing, and the A380 seems like a hell of a bargain for that use case.
they look amazeballs on paper. for $300-ish it has 20 BILLION transistors, 256-bit GDDR6, 3500+ shaders, 224/112 - TMUs/ROPs etc. but the performance does not match the specs at all.
Intel has been working on their GPUs for several years now. About a decade ago they tried their first GPUs codenamed "Larrabee". Since they are still in the race I wouldn't expect them to quit soon.
While we all know cards in the $800+ range are sadly more common in higher midrange to halo tier cards now, $1000+ cards have existed as far back as the GTX 690.
Expensive graphics cards are really nothing new like the media has been over portraying lately.
You just have to be smart. Check benchmarks, read reviews, keep track of pricing and deals, etc.
You can often get last generation cards on the cheap for close out pricing or find used cards that are in great condition for half the cost of a comparable new card.
Especially now since Crypto has gone bust, computer hardware is being sold at insanely good pricing, both new and used.
I got a brand new Intel ARC A750 8GB for $199 on a Newegg deal with roughly the performance of an RTX 3060 and only about 8% performance difference of the $349 A770 16GB.
So contrary to popular belief, since RGB can't improve system performance and you can't really utilize the extra VRAM due to the lower performance range, the A750 8GB at $199 is a fantastic new budget card so long as your platform has ReBAR support.
I also was able to snag a used RX 580 8GB for $45. This is a fantastic deal on an older used card and kind of an ultimate budget card to put into an older system like an Optiplex build, etc.
I was even able to get the last best card EVGA ever produced, the 3090Ti 24GB for $899 ($2000+ MSRP Card) when pricing for those cards plummeted for a time, so if you follow this advice, you can even get into halo-tier high-end gaming without breaking the bank.
Just some examples to help you out when building a computer on a budget in the future! Good luck! 👍
Nvidia is definitely earning some margin with their high MSRP for the 4000 series
Intel has almost hollowed out AMD's graphics architecture department they're definitely not giving up yet
I just bought an A750, threw it in a SFF PC for my mom. So far works great, she’s not hardcore gaming for sure but says 4k video and photo editing work fine
Apart from the driver hiccups which were to be expected I think the Arc GPUs are looking good, the only downside being the almost mandatory REBAR.
Don't forget about Acer! They are making Intel Arc cards as well! Good to see Acer in this business too!
Gaming: Meh
Everything else: Give it time for improvements, and it's gonna shame Apple for not being fully DIY...
I would love to buy an intel arc, but at almost $500 locally and the poor legacy support I can't in good conscience be an early adopter (yet).
I really hope that they continue offering this midrange product stack in future gens also (contrary to some rumors). Battlemage should already be pretty interesting alternative.
I just realized we have RGB gpu options
Red for AMD
Green for Nvidia
Blue for Intel
I've just put together a budget rig with a GTX 1080 and an i7 6700 for less than $400. Metal Hellsinger runs above 80 fps on ultra for me and everything else I tried runs at least 60 fps. I'll just keep putting together 2nd hand part rigs and save big money
Mid range used to be £150-£200. Now mid range seems to be £350-£450. 3060s are still well over priced in the UK. MSRP in the UK was £300 (£60 more than the US). The cheapest is currently about £330 and its 2 years old.
I like the Intel arc cards as another affordable gaming option for those who aren't looking for mind blowing fps. It is still capable and one way to save some money on a build.
I thought Arc was going to be the competition for Radeon for the cheap and good video cards. Never saw them as the expensive brand like Nvidia.
I don't think Intel needs to compete at high-end levels on the GPU scene. Providing low to mid-end cards is probably a more sensible decision. But with that being said, Intel once held back the CPU industry for years with their incessant 4 core processors. If they do enter the GPU industry, we'd probably still see 4GB GPUs for years as well.
For being their first card ever, and for the driver attention they're getting into, it seems like they're an actual very good choice.
Hope they get some open drivers on Linux like AMD so that there's more room improvement in less time
While this is a pain in the butt for them NOW... this IS a great move for the consumer. NO ONE with sense expected a top tier product from day one. Heck, even the 2nd or 3rd generation... but if they can make good progress, they'll be just fine - and we NEED more mid-range and lower-cost cards that can compete and help entry-level consumers have options. The way AMD & nVidia are driving prices up, we NEED a competing force to drive those down and give us better mid-tier options.
We have already have scrappy underdog at home, you can get a 6750 XT for that price, why do you keep excluding AMD from these comparisons, is it really just because Intel asked you to compare it to the 3060
I don't want a super high end card. I don't mind a mid-ranged gpu that is actually affordable vs trying to by a Lamborghini of graphics cartds.