I know this is an exotic car but some of these problems are ridiculous. The tire hits the fender????? I personally can't see myself spending money on a car with that kind of shoddy engineering. Really pretty though.
Amazing isn't it. Pretty sure Ferrari have come incredibly far in the last ten to fifteen years. The 488 I would think is a much higher quality product than a 360 ever was.
It's not like the 360 was their first car. BUt easy fix. Roll the fender. Job done. I had to do that to my 300ZX but thats because i fitted fat tyres on wheels with an aggressive offset. Common mod on ANY sports car.
Great video! It's the normal, day-to-day aspect that makes these kind of videos so great, as opposed to the all the glamour, pontificating, and otherwise shiney side of the supercar experience that can be so easily found on UA-cam.
Informative video. You'd think that cars with the prancing horse on it wouldn't have loose mirrors but then again, horsepower and vibrations, it should be expected (to a degree)! Keep 'em coming Rob!
The leather issue can be prevented if the owner properly cleaned and conditioned the leather, leather should always have moisture in it or else it's going to shrink and sometime crack
Nah. The leather on the dash will shrink over time if the car sits in the hot sun. The leather on the dash gets VERY hot and any moisture gets cooked right out of the leather in no time.
Filippo Corsi That’s bs. Ferrari’s have a lot of problems that aren’t related to the engines. They know their stupid rich owners will pay as much as they have to, just to fix problems that shouldn’t be there.
Makes me appreciate my Honda even more. Thanks for the videos please keep keeping it real and informing us what's it like to actually own and drive these types of exotic cars.
One thing you didn't mention Rob, but that is very common with the Ferrari 360 is when they first came out, nearly every owner I saw in LA would take the stock exhaust system that came with the vehicle & replace it with an aftermarket one. My friend worked at a very well-known shop, the owner was just stacking all the new ones up, we tried to sell one on e-Bay just to see if we couldn't get rid of them that way, but had no takers after three auctions, even though we kept extending the time for bidding out to the maximum allowed. So if you buy a Modena, Spider, or Stradale, you should be aware that the exhaust package will most likely not be stock, if you're a purist, & if it is stock & you're not particularly fussy about parts purity, you'll want to replace it because the stock exhaust doesn't really sound all that great, a bit tinny. Some owners would replace the package, but keep the stock part if they wanted to sell it later, which is a smart idea, but most weren't interested in keeping it so the shop owner was just piling them up in a spare room. At last count I think we saw around forty-two in the room on the shelves. The aftermarkets sound pretty good, I liked the Hamann best of all one day when we did a side-by-side comparison of the exhaust notes on four different 360s, one with the stock, one with the Hamann, & the other two were I believe Innotech & MaxFlo.
driving a porsche, i ususally get a bit envious when i come across a ferrari at a stoplight or gas station.... after seeing this idk if its well founded, some of this build quality is just terrible compared to the fit and finish of porsche even in their darkest years.
***** things were hand built and quirky pre 996 and 986. The early front engine cars are trouble, 924, 944. But air cooled cars arnt bad and the m96 engine (911 boxster cayman from late 90s to 2008 2009 or so depending on model) are really solid despite the rumors about IMS, as long as the car wasnt a garage queen itll run fine. The turbo and gt3 engine lines are bullet proof. And the new 9A1 engines which are in all the modern cars up until the new turbos are good outside of any worries that there are about DFI which thats to be said about any modern car. The newest 3.0 turbo in the 911 and 4 cylinder turbo in the 718 are yet to be tested.
***** Ive put close to 40k miles on cars due for an IMS to blow and one of which had over 120k miles on its original ims and I bet you could've went several hundred more. IMS is overblown and goes out when people lug their engines and have garge queens, if you drive around in a Porsche in 6th gear all through town and never let it rev of course something will go wrong, if you drive them like theyre meant to be IMS isn't an issue at all.
***** I also know an advisor at a Porsche Jaguar LR dealer. DO NOT trust JLR for out of warranty reliability, but Porsche is as dependable as a Toyota.
I had my first 911 in 1983 and I drove Porsches for 20 years. Now I had my 355 for 9 years. The porsches were not so expensive as the ferrari, but they were not cheap.
@@TheBIGJake111 “as dependable as a toyota” are you serious? Strictly by design, a direct injection turbo is going to be less reliable than a port injection naturally aspirated one. Toyota is going to have fewer parts that fail
The vibrations are caused by the flat-plane crank V8. If anything, that's why Ferrari went turbocharged. 4.5L was as far as that engine could go without shaking itself to pieces. Therefore, to get the power they needed to keep up with the competition, they went turbocharged.
sgfreak96 Sure, which is why they reduced the displacement and used large turbos rather than just adding small turbos onto the 4.5L engine. They can get better EPA/EuroNCAP ratings by having aggressively different on boost/off boost characteristics which is exactly what they've done. Off boost, the car is civil and, dare I say it, frugal while savage on boost. It's what made the the 911 Turbo such a winning formula. Now that we have variable vain geometry turbos and direct injection, turbo lag is a thing of the past. I'm going to miss the noise of NA though, and engine longevity is bound to suffer as well.
The one thing I don't understand is why don't ALL sports car manufactures roll their fenders? I rolled all 4 of my cars fenders Mainly because the rear tires would get cut up. This is a couple of dollars to do when the car is being built. We are talking about cars that cost more then some houses so why not spend the money and do it on the assembly line.
I owned my ferrari 360 spider since factory now and not very much went wrong: •buttons got sticky •the wheel DID NOT scrape the fenders •there is no leakage problems •there is vibration •mirrors are solid never came lose •driver door cable went easy fix • no major engine problems • the leader and stictching on dash is like brand new no wrinkles.and vents still in place • leather seats did get worn (its gonna happen) •no manofold or transmision problem. overal my 360 spider has only had about 3 of these problems and there the ones known to always happen (sticky buttons,worn leather seats, broken door cable) Overal a ferrari 360 spider over a certain millage is a very good buy
Exactly, taken care of since new and maintained by the sounds of it. This jack-wagon bought these cars well used and not from an authorized Ferrari dealer. And they are rental cars that hammered on everyday by test pilots looking for a cheap thrill.
Ferraris are embarrassing pieces of junk. I was dead set on a 430....my lawyer already had one, that was the biggest hunk of garbage Ive ever seen. It totally changed my Ferrari outlook. Unless they build a quality car that can take the abuse of my z06.......I'll never own one. And ya'll buyin em are total suckers
Rob, I would add four things... 1. The battery in the alarm module, it can be maintained and prevent leaking and destruction of the module, very bad. 2. The reverse lever spring, a common failure and nothing to worry about, spring can be fixed via replacement, dealers will try to replace whole lever, expensive and a waste of time. 3. This one is important, the main cable from battery to alternator(?) tends to wear the connector to the point the cable will start arcing, 4. All pipe connectors esp coolant near the belts tend to loosen and can come off. Just a check and tighten.
*Never understood why people who own expensive cars don't use seat covers to preserve the leather. You can of course remove them when you're trying to impress, but on track days or weekend cruising by yourself it seems like it would pay for itself fairly quickly.*
They are ugly. My girlfriend's father CTS-V has alcantera package but he put seat covers and steering wheel covers on it. It will allow the car to keep its value when you sell it but If I had the money for a CTS-V or any sports car I am not going to let the wear and tear get to me.
Rob if i had to guess, the vibrations come from solid motor mounts.......most normal production cars have very weak motor mounts so the engine flexes when you go through the revs, this increases ride comfort, however does lose performance. Ever pop a toyota corolla hood and rev the engine? Watch the engine rock back and forth........solid motor mounts are often a upgrade for tuner cars, and do make heavy vibrations. My srt-4 went to solid motor mounts and it rattled like crazy, but the response i gained was superb......the engine loses some of its energy when that energy is transfered from the engine and lost to the soft mount.....
I'm certainly not in the market however my Father is and he definitely appreciated the video. Thank you Rob for all the Great Content these past few years!
Man...Ferrari gets away with so much because the look, sound and performance of their cars...but these fit and finish/long term reliability issues are really unfortunate with the previous generations. Awesome, informative video, as always. Keep up the awesome work
Thank you for taking the time to explain the cons on the 360. I was about to buy one this weekend. but it was in horrible condition. Anyway speaking about sticky buttons I have them on my 2011 599 GTO. so around 8 or 9 years after the 360 you still find them in the 599 GTO
that would be interesting. I bought a one owner 96 cavalier with 196k miles for 500 bucks and have put about 200 bucks in it to replace an oil pan and a muffler so its quiet and has no oil leaks now. as far as im concerned, I am done putting money into it and it has already payed for itself in gas savings compared to my truck. ill drive it until anything major comes up and then scrap it and put another 100 bucks in my pocket.
you can roll a fender with a steel bar and a buddy, stick the bar between the fender and tire, pry on the fender slightly and have your buddy roll the car forward or backwards. Baseball bats work good too if you have the clearance.
Then again, how many percent of the seventies Corollas are still driving as opposed to seventies Ferraris? ;) ofc it doesn't have to be connected to build quality, but is much more likely just because Ferrari owners tend to care a lot more about their car than a Corolla owner, but still :P
Love the videos! Maybe it's the flat plane V8 that is causing all this vibration issues? Unlike the cross plane, that is most commonly associated with American muscle and has that characteristic burble, the flat plane has no secondary balance. But it doesn't have the crankshaft counterweights of the cross plane, so with a lighter crankshaft it revs and responds much faster. But it will buzz. It has the same balance as an inline-4, so think sports bikes and how they buzz at the top end.... Thats the theory, but in practise, I don't know as I've never owned a Ferrari.
A well-maintained and well-treated Modena is a real gem. apart from the sticky buttons, I haven't had any problems with mine which is 24 years old. The engine is fantastic, it's the latest 40 valve V8, sounds magical, and the manual gearbox is a real treat. If you find a nice 360, don't let it go, it's an excellent choice, the prices will soar because I can't imagine in what condition we'll find the new models in 20 years...the 360 will still be valiant in 50 years.
Great video with a lot of knowledge through the ownership! I actually have been looking for a 360 for a month and this video’s going to be my life saver. Thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks Rob, you've convinced me to never, ever buy a Ferrari. It says something about the arrogance of the folks in Modena that they'd let 10K korean cars surpass their precious racehorses in terms of common sense and build quality. I can't chalk that up to anything but a disdain for their customers. Thank god Lamborghini is owned by Germans.
Hi Rob!...I think the main issues with the mirrors are the fact that they are suffering from a pendulum effect mounted that high up and out. The vibrations that come from rough roads and from a flat-crank V8(worse than with cross-plane cranks) probably really stress the mounting points. Love the video...really interesting...thanks.
Something, something passion. Something, something experience. Yada, yada, yada. Yeah I agree. In this era, the C5 Vette, S2000, NSX, 996 Porsche, all had much better build quality than the 360 did. I mean, my dream ride is a F355, but still, the only justification for the original price and build quality, was the fact there was a mythical prancing horse badge on the steering wheel.
+Charlie Hamburger Yeah, but you miss the point. There's problems that simply shouldn't exist on high end cars. Like the doors lock and seat wear in this case, they're really basic things and they failed to make them "reliable". That's the problem here
Normal nickel-and-dime wear-and-tear shouldn't happen on a car that is over a dozen years old? There shouldn't be seat bolster wear on a rental car this old and door lock mechanisms should last forever? Seriously?
Leaky seals, doors that wont open, buttons that gets stuck, mirrors that come loose, manifolds cracking, tires hitting the fender. Amazing. How do they get away with this shit. And to think this car was well over 100k new smh... I've seen better build quality from a Mitsubishi Mirage. But hey, its fast and looks nice, right?
Well, they were the entry model. Lol. Also keep in mind that those are 15 year old cars so some problems are age related. At least they didn't have a lawsuit against them like Porsche had for the IMS. I had a 2000 Rover Freelander and it had similar problems like his Ferrari. Lol
Hey I know old car problems, I have a 18 year old Audi with a 184k on the clock, but it doesn't leak (not even from the sunroof), the doors have never broken, and my wheels don't rub on the inside of the fender when I go around a bumby turn because Audi isn't stupid (for the most part atleast). And when it was new it probably cost 1/5 what this Ferrari did when when it was new. Look, I get that it was an entry level car, but there are some things that just cant happen to any car, let alone one that cost over 100g's and leaky non functioning doors are one of those things
Yup. If Chevy or Ford made this car there would be hell to pay for all these problems, but Ferrari can make cars with shit build quality and get away with it, so long as it look/sounds nice.
Oh STFU, you idiots. You are all losing sight of the fact that these are old cars which are going to have nickel-and-dime normal wear-and-tear like Rob even said so. It's that simple. These cars are both over 12 years old, are shit-kicked on a daily basis by every dreamer who couldn't afford to own them renting them, and were bought not from the Ferrari dealer network as one should buy one, but rather via eBay, meaning that they were bad enough that, when it came time to consign them, were rejected by the dealer. Fact of the matter is, the build and material quality of modern Ferrari is exceptional. So many idiots here who couldn't even dream of owning a car like this making uniformed comments from the vantage-point of a Corolla. Strong. But funny.
Idiots abound on You Tube. Guys that drive 99 Honda Civics become experts on cars they've never even seen, much less driven or owned. I see it all the time.
Anyone else watch these interesting videos and start to feel that Ferrari and Lambros are a crap waste of money? The more UA-cam video I see highlighting how shoddy these cars are, the more I find myself shaking my head at the people driving them. Kit-car quality at a premium price.
I have a silver 2002 360 modena f1 coupe only issues I've had was clutch replacement, spark plug and coil replacements, and headlamp replacements due to hail here is texas.
This is a video showing issues with the 360s. Many of these issues have been worked out since. Drive/ride in a ferrari, and let me know what you think then. Not all people buy them for showing off!!!
To be fair, the observation presented in the original comment didn't hold much weight. 3-4 minor problems (aside from $4500 dollar headers) suddenly equals "so many malfunctions." Let's be real here.
superspeedersRob That's a good point from you, but I always look at the 'value for money'. Changing belts and bearings after three years or 50.000 kilometres, isn't really. IMHO. And I kept your earlier video's about your other Ferrari's in mind... Yes, a Ferrari is awesome...but not the only car to have fun with. Personally I like Sleeper-type of cars...Cars with even bigger engines. And watches are for showing off indeed..MB&F HM6 Sapphire Vision ($400,000)...WTF?! Thanks for your response!
I had an F10 M5 for 3 years. Nah, more things break - the DCT broke twice needed two replacement, and I redline the car only 3 times in 3 years time (first time I really go over 6K rpm was when the car was 15K miles and it was warmed up); First replacement when the car was 40 miles, and the second was 20K miles. All odd number gears cannot be engaged, including the reverse gear. Airbag circuit/wiring issues, brake issues (uneven wear), backup camera doesn't come on, loud rattle of some interior trim (center console), cracked carbon fiber trims interior, mirror that doesn't fold sometimes, whistle sound when brand new at 60+mph, exposed wiring on the passenger door, water leakage on the driver's side (and the door is not frameless! they ended up replacing the seals). And when I leased it it was brand new with 4 miles on the clock, checked every options except CCB, the price was over 120K. I had to tow the car 4 times which I only towed the NSX once after an incident. But it's true for Japanese car, I had a 1991 NSX. Works great, no such issue (except the main relay died once), and the headlight light bulb went bad.
German, German over engineering makes them God awful expensive to fix, hard to fix, special tools and crappy reliability, that's German over engineering.... Oh I forgot horrible electrical systems.
doorlocks: last week the right (outside) doorlock jammed. The upper cable was the problem; it felt frozen, by rust i think. Removed the cable and re-olied it and made a few in - and out - movements in the workbench. Now the cable operates smoothly again. Costs: 0. 1 / 1,5 hr work :-)
so you are telling me that these problems are common on these expensive cars but I've owned a bunch of cheap Honda Accords and civics that have never had any of these problems.. so then other than speed wtf are you paying 100k for?? 😂
speed, luxury, R&D costs, marketing, brand premium, hand made parts, etc. the car is fast as hell, comfortable, sexy looking and it's a fucking ferarri. there's no such thing as a "bargain" when it comes to cars - an "affordable" Ferrari is "affordable" for a reason.
B P It's the prestige,Performance,Luxury and exclusively. expensive to maintain but so are a lot of rich man toys. That's the thing it's for the rich man who wipes his ass with 10k
Rob, the vibrations in V8 Ferrari's are mostly due to their 180 degree "flat plane crankshaft". This allows the engine to reach high rpms with a nice linear power band but you do get more vibrations than a traditional 90 degree crank used in most v8's. V12 cars do not have this issue because the firing order is balanced.
I love how Rob wears like a simple man but his watch.. well thats another story haha. Great video Rob I love how you interact with the followers on FB!
The vibration problem isn't due to bad motor mounts but rather the nature of a straight-plane V8. SP V8's severely lack engine balancing and develop heavy vibrations and loss of power (and sometimes premature 80-120k mile engine failure) very quickly, even when perfectly maintained.
+Tyler Austin When you have to do more ridiculous repairs to these two cars than you would owning a 1500 'lemon', I'm pretty sure that's a good indicator to throw in the towel. Now if these were F355s it would be a Totally different story *not repair wise but definitely investment wise.
Yup, that's what we did! Was torn between Ferrari, Lambo and the R8. I must admit that the Italian "Red Heads" are just plain exotic as hell... But when seriously comparing, the "total cost of ownership" for the R8 is much less and better handling with AWD. My only wish as that Audi could have implemented the DCT sooner. (The wife doesn't like to drive stick in Silicon Valley Traffic.)
Lol, Justin...we're far from being rich. The rich folks drive McLaren's and 458's. I worked in several Tech Companies and the wife is a boss at her job. My honest advice is to get into Network Security or Java/C++ Programming. You'll have your car in no time! In fact, getting a house is more important because that will allow you to build equity.
Justin, it doesn't require 4-8 years... You can do it in 2 years if you buckle down. Networking Security is not that hard...Getting an internship will give you super hands-on experience, which is invaluable in this field. (Imagine there's a product out there and you just have to learn how to use it. Of course "Life Happens" and it can take you a bit longer. But it's worth it because you don't have to physically slave away.)
There might be some problems but compared to a non mid engine Corvette the 360’s gated hold their values very well and on a 430 gated it has gone up in value. It will be interesting to see if the new mid engine Corvettes will hold their values in the used car market.
This is true, but Rob always refers to all these nickle-and-dime, normal wear-and-tear issues as uniquely "Ferrari problems." It's sickening. And what's even more sickening is every simple-minded idiot, whom couldn't even dream of affording a car like this living behind a keyboard, then post comments suggesting that Ferrari are nothing but crap, when in reality, they are not.
These issues are more revealing of the consumers of luxury goods than of the makers of these things. On volume, I'd say Mercedes Benz is the biggest player (read: "culprit") on that, though their problems are less outrageous than these here. All that is needed is to maintain the "exclusive" and "prestigious" image, and they will have people lining up for this stuff, regardless of true quality and value. Once upon a decade (60's 70's 80's), MB cars were relatively scarce on the roads, and they absolutely were of the highest possible quality. Now, MB have figured out how to hook 10x as many consumers, their products roll around every middle-class suburb in the world. I always laugh when I see their little 5-door liftback grocery getters (model?), usually in very normal neighbourhoods, but they've made the move "up the ladder". Its a stroke of genius really, from a marketing standpoint.
This guy is totally realistic & casual about common things to look out for concerning normal wear & tear; design flaws, manufacturer defects, etc...on a 100 G Ferrari. -Meanwhile people buy a 2 thousand dollar refrigerator & bitch & threaten to sue the appliance store where they bought it, because it makes a noise everytime it dumps ice cubes in the ice bucket! Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?!
Rob thanks for the video! I like the 360 but prefer the styling of the F430. Have you had any F430's in previous rental fleets? Are they reliable? thanks
F430 has similar problems but is chain-driven, so maintenance is slightly less. Remember, it's the same basic body with a facelift. The biggest change is the all-new engine.
As for the vibration, it is because of the flat plane crank design of the engine. There's no counterbalance weights, which gives quicker and higher revs but makes quite a bit of vibration when compared to, say, a corvette. The good news is that Ferrari will replace the motor/transmission mounts with a 12 month warranty, meaning under normal wear and tear, you can have a free set installed every year if you drive like I do.
This is real helpful for my WRX.
but half of those flaws dont really apply on your wrx as it has no interior to speak of :>
+金安迪 outch!
+Charles Wellington lll i see u everywhere
+金安迪 the 15s do; anything before them not so much
Your car is awesome 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I know this is an exotic car but some of these problems are ridiculous. The tire hits the fender????? I personally can't see myself spending money on a car with that kind of shoddy engineering. Really pretty though.
Right? how was that not found during testing?!
I'm pretty sure they didn't test them to see if they last 15 years.
The springs or suspension probably settled over the years.
Amazing isn't it. Pretty sure Ferrari have come incredibly far in the last ten to fifteen years. The 488 I would think is a much higher quality product than a 360 ever was.
It's not like the 360 was their first car. BUt easy fix. Roll the fender. Job done. I had to do that to my 300ZX but thats because i fitted fat tyres on wheels with an aggressive offset. Common mod on ANY sports car.
The biggest issue with the Ferrari 360 is that I don't own one :\
The. Amish.Sasquatch Save up!
Lol.
Agreed
😂😂😂
Problem 1
Catches on fire and gets bought buy a guy named Tavarish
I thought that was the f355?
@@djvendetta2325 it was a F355 it was hoovies
Great video! It's the normal, day-to-day aspect that makes these kind of videos so great, as opposed to the all the glamour, pontificating, and otherwise shiney side of the supercar experience that can be so easily found on UA-cam.
Informative video. You'd think that cars with the prancing horse on it wouldn't have loose mirrors but then again, horsepower and vibrations, it should be expected (to a degree)! Keep 'em coming Rob!
Great video! Really love "it's not all roses" videos about supercars.
The leather issue can be prevented if the owner properly cleaned and conditioned the leather, leather should always have moisture in it or else it's going to shrink and sometime crack
+20turboboxer lmao
A window shade from the Dollars store will fix that nicely.
This will happen unless you store the car in A/C forever, not driving it. Any car with leather dashboard will experience this in the long term.
Nah. The leather on the dash will shrink over time if the car sits in the hot sun. The leather on the dash gets VERY hot and any moisture gets cooked right out of the leather in no time.
10 most common problems with ferraris:
1; Everything breaks. Everything.
Filippo Corsi That’s bs. Ferrari’s have a lot of problems that aren’t related to the engines. They know their stupid rich owners will pay as much as they have to, just to fix problems that shouldn’t be there.
But I love ferraris❤
3213232 1231223 rolling fenders for stock wheels and tires should be expected???
+3213232 1231223 Most people buy supercars for flexing.
No one drives them enough.
Makes me appreciate my Honda even more. Thanks for the videos please keep keeping it real and informing us what's it like to actually own and drive these types of exotic cars.
One thing you didn't mention Rob, but that is very common with the Ferrari 360 is when they first came out, nearly every owner I saw in LA would take the stock exhaust system that came with the vehicle & replace it with an aftermarket one. My friend worked at a very well-known shop, the owner was just stacking all the new ones up, we tried to sell one on e-Bay just to see if we couldn't get rid of them that way, but had no takers after three auctions, even though we kept extending the time for bidding out to the maximum allowed. So if you buy a Modena, Spider, or Stradale, you should be aware that the exhaust package will most likely not be stock, if you're a purist, & if it is stock & you're not particularly fussy about parts purity, you'll want to replace it because the stock exhaust doesn't really sound all that great, a bit tinny. Some owners would replace the package, but keep the stock part if they wanted to sell it later, which is a smart idea, but most weren't interested in keeping it so the shop owner was just piling them up in a spare room. At last count I think we saw around forty-two in the room on the shelves. The aftermarkets sound pretty good, I liked the Hamann best of all one day when we did a side-by-side comparison of the exhaust notes on four different 360s, one with the stock, one with the Hamann, & the other two were I believe Innotech & MaxFlo.
Tubi exhaust is what you were referring to Astonishing noise …. Like A F1 noise. Most Ferraris end up with that back box …
Ahh thanks man, I was on the fence deciding between either the Ferrari 360 and a Toyota Corolla. I know what I want now.
Why I like Rob videos: very simple, short and spot on! And ofc great cars!
Ferrari's have a lot of vibration because they use a flat plane crank v8 and relatively stiff engine mounts.
driving a porsche, i ususally get a bit envious when i come across a ferrari at a stoplight or gas station.... after seeing this idk if its well founded, some of this build quality is just terrible compared to the fit and finish of porsche even in their darkest years.
***** things were hand built and quirky pre 996 and 986. The early front engine cars are trouble, 924, 944. But air cooled cars arnt bad and the m96 engine (911 boxster cayman from late 90s to 2008 2009 or so depending on model) are really solid despite the rumors about IMS, as long as the car wasnt a garage queen itll run fine. The turbo and gt3 engine lines are bullet proof. And the new 9A1 engines which are in all the modern cars up until the new turbos are good outside of any worries that there are about DFI which thats to be said about any modern car.
The newest 3.0 turbo in the 911 and 4 cylinder turbo in the 718 are yet to be tested.
***** Ive put close to 40k miles on cars due for an IMS to blow and one of which had over 120k miles on its original ims and I bet you could've went several hundred more. IMS is overblown and goes out when people lug their engines and have garge queens, if you drive around in a Porsche in 6th gear all through town and never let it rev of course something will go wrong, if you drive them like theyre meant to be IMS isn't an issue at all.
***** I also know an advisor at a Porsche Jaguar LR dealer. DO NOT trust JLR for out of warranty reliability, but Porsche is as dependable as a Toyota.
I had my first 911 in 1983 and I drove Porsches for 20 years. Now I had my 355 for 9 years. The porsches were not so expensive as the ferrari, but they were not cheap.
@@TheBIGJake111 “as dependable as a toyota” are you serious? Strictly by design, a direct injection turbo is going to be less reliable than a port injection naturally aspirated one. Toyota is going to have fewer parts that fail
I do enjoy the series. Keep it coming
So you're saying get a 911?
Va Vo I'd definitely sell that thing if I owned one and use the money to buy a 911 targa... 😁
well, yeah
Get a z06 and paddle ass on both of them.
no get yourself a NSX
@@Heretic_Wolf I almost puked
People complaining about the problems, but you don't buy a Ferrari with your head, you buy it with your heart.
Btw that Spider spec is gorgeous
This video should be titled: "why you shouldn't buy a Ferrari 360"
Nope, still a buy. When you drive one you'll forget about the little things which are all fixable.
Only a 360 is a so so buy. I rode in a 458 going 200 MPH, completely fucking insane experience.
One day, I´ll have one! I`m so soft for the CS :)
3:45 You have the "child safety lock" on,, duhh...lol
The vibrations are caused by the flat-plane crank V8. If anything, that's why Ferrari went turbocharged. 4.5L was as far as that engine could go without shaking itself to pieces. Therefore, to get the power they needed to keep up with the competition, they went turbocharged.
I think it's safe to say they did turbos also for emissions and eco-friendly as well. The EPA laws are cracking down.
sgfreak96 Sure, which is why they reduced the displacement and used large turbos rather than just adding small turbos onto the 4.5L engine. They can get better EPA/EuroNCAP ratings by having aggressively different on boost/off boost characteristics which is exactly what they've done. Off boost, the car is civil and, dare I say it, frugal while savage on boost. It's what made the the 911 Turbo such a winning formula. Now that we have variable vain geometry turbos and direct injection, turbo lag is a thing of the past. I'm going to miss the noise of NA though, and engine longevity is bound to suffer as well.
The one thing I don't understand is why don't ALL sports car manufactures roll their fenders? I rolled all 4 of my cars fenders Mainly because the rear tires would get cut up. This is a couple of dollars to do when the car is being built. We are talking about cars that cost more then some houses so why not spend the money and do it on the assembly line.
I owned my ferrari 360 spider since factory now and not very much went wrong:
•buttons got sticky
•the wheel DID NOT scrape the fenders
•there is no leakage problems
•there is vibration
•mirrors are solid never came lose
•driver door cable went easy fix
• no major engine problems
• the leader and stictching on dash is like brand new no wrinkles.and vents still in place
• leather seats did get worn (its gonna happen)
•no manofold or transmision problem.
overal my 360 spider has only had about 3 of these problems and there the ones known to always happen (sticky buttons,worn leather seats, broken door cable)
Overal a ferrari 360 spider over a certain millage is a very good buy
Exactly, taken care of since new and maintained by the sounds of it. This jack-wagon bought these cars well used and not from an authorized Ferrari dealer. And they are rental cars that hammered on everyday by test pilots looking for a cheap thrill.
Ferraris are embarrassing pieces of junk. I was dead set on a 430....my lawyer already had one, that was the biggest hunk of garbage Ive ever seen. It totally changed my Ferrari outlook. Unless they build a quality car that can take the abuse of my z06.......I'll never own one. And ya'll buyin em are total suckers
what mileage would you say is a good buy
Rob,
I would add four things... 1. The battery in the alarm module, it can be maintained and prevent leaking and destruction of the module, very bad. 2. The reverse lever spring, a common failure and nothing to worry about, spring can be fixed via replacement, dealers will try to replace whole lever, expensive and a waste of time. 3. This one is important, the main cable from battery to alternator(?) tends to wear the connector to the point the cable will start arcing, 4. All pipe connectors esp coolant near the belts tend to loosen and can come off. Just a check and tighten.
flatplane V8 is just a naturally vibratey motor
GREAT video Rob. All cars have issues regardless of price or badge and some people dont get that. Thanks for sharing what to look out for.
*Never understood why people who own expensive cars don't use seat covers to preserve the leather. You can of course remove them when you're trying to impress, but on track days or weekend cruising by yourself it seems like it would pay for itself fairly quickly.*
They'll still wear even if they are covered.
What's the point in that? Why pay for the luxury just to cover it up with cheap cloth.
Because people who own expensive cars have the money to pay for new seats if they wanted nice seats again.
If you are trying to preserve the car for the next guy, why bother driving it?
They are ugly. My girlfriend's father CTS-V has alcantera package but he put seat covers and steering wheel covers on it. It will allow the car to keep its value when you sell it but If I had the money for a CTS-V or any sports car I am not going to let the wear and tear get to me.
Rob if i had to guess, the vibrations come from solid motor mounts.......most normal production cars have very weak motor mounts so the engine flexes when you go through the revs, this increases ride comfort, however does lose performance. Ever pop a toyota corolla hood and rev the engine? Watch the engine rock back and forth........solid motor mounts are often a upgrade for tuner cars, and do make heavy vibrations. My srt-4 went to solid motor mounts and it rattled like crazy, but the response i gained was superb......the engine loses some of its energy when that energy is transfered from the engine and lost to the soft mount.....
Totally turned me off a Ferrari now lol
I know I could almost afford the matchbox Ferrari!!!
I'm certainly not in the market however my Father is and he definitely appreciated the video. Thank you Rob for all the Great Content these past few years!
way too many problems for a 100k car
It's a super car... most of them are like that
+BasedNeel your right just couldnt imagine it being worth it
+Charles Wellington lll look at you Charles the third 😅😅😅
+Charles Wellington lll take a gander at some old assss muhfugger from the 1800s
no they are not. Super means super quality as well
I had the "sticky button" problem in my SL500. Used nail polish remover and a rag. Fixed that problem.
Did Doug DeMuro used to own the red one?
No
@Anton Zuykov but dougs was red on the back not matt black
@@AminAzv dougs was red and tan
Man...Ferrari gets away with so much because the look, sound and performance of their cars...but these fit and finish/long term reliability issues are really unfortunate with the previous generations. Awesome, informative video, as always. Keep up the awesome work
Does one of those belong to your personal trainer?
Thank you for taking the time to explain the cons on the 360. I was about to buy one this weekend. but it was in horrible condition. Anyway speaking about sticky buttons I have them on my 2011 599 GTO. so around 8 or 9 years after the 360 you still find them in the 599 GTO
I think you should do a cost of ownership vid on a $500 vehicle. is it more or less than an exotic.
10x more probably lol
Sounds like Rob's experience with exotics; lots of money on repairs and ownership, and being stranded at bad times.
+Sizukun1 The point of a $500 car is when it breaks you get another one. Cost of ownership... $500
that would be interesting. I bought a one owner 96 cavalier with 196k miles for 500 bucks and have put about 200 bucks in it to replace an oil pan and a muffler so its quiet and has no oil leaks now. as far as im concerned, I am done putting money into it and it has already payed for itself in gas savings compared to my truck. ill drive it until anything major comes up and then scrap it and put another 100 bucks in my pocket.
you can roll a fender with a steel bar and a buddy, stick the bar between the fender and tire, pry on the fender slightly and have your buddy roll the car forward or backwards. Baseball bats work good too if you have the clearance.
But, that's the Italian touch! Pure beauty with absolutely zero reliability, quality, or longevity!
I'm glad I saw this before buying a '02 360 I saw for 60k. I'll just go with the 2020 Z06.
Wise man here! Even if it is GM, I'm pretty sure you will enjoy it much more with less issue.
I bet that Corolla in the back has better build quality and longevity then those 360s lol
Of course it has better longevity. Why would you even bother commenting that?
I bet you pull more girls with the 360 though
Then again, how many percent of the seventies Corollas are still driving as opposed to seventies Ferraris? ;) ofc it doesn't have to be connected to build quality, but is much more likely just because Ferrari owners tend to care a lot more about their car than a Corolla owner, but still :P
+GreenTea if you drive a certain car just to "get girls" you 100% have small man syndrome.
GreenTea That Corolla's a 4 seater though
that vibration is caused because of the flat plain crank design in the engine. a cross plain crank does not have as much vibration
This guy is desperately trying to increase demand for the 360s.
Love the videos! Maybe it's the flat plane V8 that is causing all this vibration issues? Unlike the cross plane, that is most commonly associated with American muscle and has that characteristic burble, the flat plane has no secondary balance. But it doesn't have the crankshaft counterweights of the cross plane, so with a lighter crankshaft it revs and responds much faster. But it will buzz. It has the same balance as an inline-4, so think sports bikes and how they buzz at the top end.... Thats the theory, but in practise, I don't know as I've never owned a Ferrari.
and..... very heavy clutch and difficult shifting, forget about one finger shifting.
Those two come with any supercar tho if you really cant deal with that then buy a luxury car
A well-maintained and well-treated Modena is a real gem. apart from the sticky buttons, I haven't had any problems with mine which is 24 years old.
The engine is fantastic, it's the latest 40 valve V8, sounds magical, and the manual gearbox is a real treat.
If you find a nice 360, don't let it go, it's an excellent choice, the prices will soar because I can't imagine in what condition we'll find the new models in 20 years...the 360 will still be valiant in 50 years.
Being a glorified Fiat, having car problems is not surprising...
Great video with a lot of knowledge through the ownership! I actually have been looking for a 360 for a month and this video’s going to be my life saver. Thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks Rob, you've convinced me to never, ever buy a Ferrari. It says something about the arrogance of the folks in Modena that they'd let 10K korean cars surpass their precious racehorses in terms of common sense and build quality. I can't chalk that up to anything but a disdain for their customers. Thank god Lamborghini is owned by Germans.
Hi Rob!...I think the main issues with the mirrors are the fact that they are suffering from a pendulum effect mounted that high up and out. The vibrations that come from rough roads and from a flat-crank V8(worse than with cross-plane cranks) probably really stress the mounting points. Love the video...really interesting...thanks.
If I paid that sort of money for these cars, I'd be extremely disappointed/angry with my purchase. What a piece of shit.
Agreed. My Holden had better build quality.
Something, something passion. Something, something experience. Yada, yada, yada.
Yeah I agree. In this era, the C5 Vette, S2000, NSX, 996 Porsche, all had much better build quality than the 360 did. I mean, my dream ride is a F355, but still, the only justification for the original price and build quality, was the fact there was a mythical prancing horse badge on the steering wheel.
+Charlie Hamburger Yeah, but you miss the point. There's problems that simply shouldn't exist on high end cars. Like the doors lock and seat wear in this case, they're really basic things and they failed to make them "reliable". That's the problem here
All early 2000s cars sucked ass build quality-wise, especially american cars.
Normal nickel-and-dime wear-and-tear shouldn't happen on a car that is over a dozen years old? There shouldn't be seat bolster wear on a rental car this old and door lock mechanisms should last forever? Seriously?
I appreciate you making these kinds of videos, and enjoy watching them thank you!!
Wait till you own an Aston Martin. Those cars are assembled by seagulls I swear!
As long as you have bumper-to-bumpet warranty
@@Robert-Cinque777 ah yes a fellow human who knows doug demuro
I'll definitely take the hardtop. Being a mechanic, most of this stuff like the fenders and doors I can fix myself lol
Leaky seals, doors that wont open, buttons that gets stuck, mirrors that come loose, manifolds cracking, tires hitting the fender. Amazing. How do they get away with this shit. And to think this car was well over 100k new smh... I've seen better build quality from a Mitsubishi Mirage. But hey, its fast and looks nice, right?
Well, they were the entry model. Lol. Also keep in mind that those are 15 year old cars so some problems are age related. At least they didn't have a lawsuit against them like Porsche had for the IMS. I had a 2000 Rover Freelander and it had similar problems like his Ferrari. Lol
Hey I know old car problems, I have a 18 year old Audi with a 184k on the clock, but it doesn't leak (not even from the sunroof), the doors have never broken, and my wheels don't rub on the inside of the fender when I go around a bumby turn because Audi isn't stupid (for the most part atleast). And when it was new it probably cost 1/5 what this Ferrari did when when it was new. Look, I get that it was an entry level car, but there are some things that just cant happen to any car, let alone one that cost over 100g's and leaky non functioning doors are one of those things
Yup. If Chevy or Ford made this car there would be hell to pay for all these problems, but Ferrari can make cars with shit build quality and get away with it, so long as it look/sounds nice.
Oh STFU, you idiots. You are all losing sight of the fact that these are old cars which are going to have nickel-and-dime normal wear-and-tear like Rob even said so. It's that simple. These cars are both over 12 years old, are shit-kicked on a daily basis by every dreamer who couldn't afford to own them renting them, and were bought not from the Ferrari dealer network as one should buy one, but rather via eBay, meaning that they were bad enough that, when it came time to consign them, were rejected by the dealer. Fact of the matter is, the build and material quality of modern Ferrari is exceptional. So many idiots here who couldn't even dream of owning a car like this making uniformed comments from the vantage-point of a Corolla. Strong. But funny.
Idiots abound on You Tube. Guys that drive 99 Honda Civics become experts on cars they've never even seen, much less driven or owned. I see it all the time.
Thanks Rob for keeping thing's kinda real and down to earth.
Anyone else watch these interesting videos and start to feel that Ferrari and Lambros are a crap waste of money? The more UA-cam video I see highlighting how shoddy these cars are, the more I find myself shaking my head at the people driving them. Kit-car quality at a premium price.
Yup.
I have a silver 2002 360 modena f1 coupe only issues I've had was clutch replacement, spark plug and coil replacements, and headlamp replacements due to hail here is texas.
so.....lets just say super shoddy Italian workmanship...
So much money for a car, yet so many malfunctions. proofs that people just are buying a Ferrari for status/showing-of
They are pretty awesome to drive. Watches and extra bedrooms are for showing off.
+superspeedersRob that is a terrible argument
This is a video showing issues with the 360s. Many of these issues have been worked out since. Drive/ride in a ferrari, and let me know what you think then. Not all people buy them for showing off!!!
To be fair, the observation presented in the original comment didn't hold much weight. 3-4 minor problems (aside from $4500 dollar headers) suddenly equals "so many malfunctions." Let's be real here.
superspeedersRob
That's a good point from you, but I always look at the 'value for money'.
Changing belts and bearings after three years or 50.000 kilometres, isn't really. IMHO.
And I kept your earlier video's about your other Ferrari's in mind...
Yes, a Ferrari is awesome...but not the only car to have fun with.
Personally I like Sleeper-type of cars...Cars with even bigger engines.
And watches are for showing off indeed..MB&F HM6 Sapphire Vision ($400,000)...WTF?!
Thanks for your response!
Awesome vid. Finally a real world look into these types of cars! Thank you!! keep it coming.
Buy Japanese or German. Some of those design / build flaws are inexcusable.
I had an F10 M5 for 3 years. Nah, more things break - the DCT broke twice needed two replacement, and I redline the car only 3 times in 3 years time (first time I really go over 6K rpm was when the car was 15K miles and it was warmed up); First replacement when the car was 40 miles, and the second was 20K miles. All odd number gears cannot be engaged, including the reverse gear. Airbag circuit/wiring issues, brake issues (uneven wear), backup camera doesn't come on, loud rattle of some interior trim (center console), cracked carbon fiber trims interior, mirror that doesn't fold sometimes, whistle sound when brand new at 60+mph, exposed wiring on the passenger door, water leakage on the driver's side (and the door is not frameless! they ended up replacing the seals). And when I leased it it was brand new with 4 miles on the clock, checked every options except CCB, the price was over 120K. I had to tow the car 4 times which I only towed the NSX once after an incident.
But it's true for Japanese car, I had a 1991 NSX. Works great, no such issue (except the main relay died once), and the headlight light bulb went bad.
German, German over engineering makes them God awful expensive to fix, hard to fix, special tools and crappy reliability, that's German over engineering.... Oh I forgot horrible electrical systems.
Nah German cars just as unreliable as the exotic supercars, you want reliability get a Japanese car
Thanks that’s helpful. I’m just beginning my search for a 360 so this has helped me. 👍
A leaky top would be more understandable in a car like a Miata, but a Ferrari? Come on
doorlocks: last week the right (outside) doorlock jammed. The upper cable was the problem; it felt frozen, by rust i think. Removed the cable and re-olied it and made a few in - and out - movements in the workbench. Now the cable operates smoothly again. Costs: 0.
1 / 1,5 hr work :-)
this video helped me fix my geo metro
Hey boss the vibrations are probably from the high revving v8 right behind your back
so you are telling me that these problems are common on these expensive cars but I've owned a bunch of cheap Honda Accords and civics that have never had any of these problems.. so then other than speed wtf are you paying 100k for?? 😂
speed, luxury, R&D costs, marketing, brand premium, hand made parts, etc.
the car is fast as hell, comfortable, sexy looking and it's a fucking ferarri. there's no such thing as a "bargain" when it comes to cars - an "affordable" Ferrari is "affordable" for a reason.
@@maksuree Spoken like a true sheep and a delusional fanboy.
The product is defective and is not worth the price.
B P It's the prestige,Performance,Luxury and exclusively. expensive to maintain but so are a lot of rich man toys. That's the thing it's for the rich man who wipes his ass with 10k
Rob, the vibrations in V8 Ferrari's are mostly due to their 180 degree "flat plane crankshaft". This allows the engine to reach high rpms with a nice linear power band but you do get more vibrations than a traditional 90 degree crank used in most v8's. V12 cars do not have this issue because the firing order is balanced.
So Kia makes Ferraris now?
hah my Kia doesn't have any of these issues.
+harris3693 176k way out of warranty. still no issues.
No. Fiat does.
I love how Rob wears like a simple man but his watch.. well thats another story haha. Great video Rob I love how you interact with the followers on FB!
Thank you. I've learned that Ferrari quality is even worse than I thought.
@3213232 1231223 Marketing goes a long way.
@3213232 1231223 I am brazilian and ferrari made themselves look bad with mistakes like these.American cars are terrible too.
4:20 OMG i had a heart attack... thought you took the ferrari to an autowash... =D
wtf, Ferrari can't even make watertight cars? My 16 year old, $6000 Miata has a better seal then that Ferrari...
Congratulations you just convinced 0 people to buy a Miata over a 360.
There have been over 1 million miatas sold, more then any other Convertible. More people buy Miatas for racing then 360s.
But nobody looks at a Miata and goes "wow, he's made it in life"
I don't own a civic, lmao
No one says that about a 10 year old Ferrari, either.
I have a 360 Spider and I agree with all your points!
Just another reminder as to why you should never buy a Ferrari but instead stick to renting
*not buy a 360
360 is one of the most reliable Ferraris lol
It's more of an award to yourself.
At least that's how I look at it.
If you won $100 million powerball, you'd change your mind.
+Josh B All Ferraris are unique. If it doesn't have those problems but it will get others you never dream of.
The vibration problem isn't due to bad motor mounts but rather the nature of a straight-plane V8. SP V8's severely lack engine balancing and develop heavy vibrations and loss of power (and sometimes premature 80-120k mile engine failure) very quickly, even when perfectly maintained.
So you hold onto these pieces of shit as investments but you sell the Murcielago -_-
The Murci will last forever and go waaaay up in price when everyone is driving around in electric cars and no NA cars exist.
+Mark M exactly
+Nik84811 pretty sure he sold it because he just ordered a brand new Ferrari and is gonna have to buy the ford gt as well.
+Tyler Austin exactly why he should have gotten rid of these two cash zapping 'assets'
+Tyler Austin When you have to do more ridiculous repairs to these two cars than you would owning a 1500 'lemon', I'm pretty sure that's a good indicator to throw in the towel. Now if these were F355s it would be a Totally different story *not repair wise but definitely investment wise.
is the newer ferraris Leaseable from the factory or is it only from secondhand dealerships ?
so in other words,, JUNK
M lol u bastard you lol.
Yay a Rob video thats over 3 mins
im buying a z o 6 after seeing this.
Thats some pretty major design and manufacturing flaws.
This shows the true value of a 300k mile validation process. Thanks Rob
What pieces of shit. I'll stick with my Honda Accord
3:48 Same thing just happened on my 360. Is this an easy DIY fix?
Go buy a brand new stingray
Or a porsche cayman gt4
"10 Common Issues with _____" would be an awesome series!
I'd rather get an Audi R8
Yeah no kidding!
Yup, that's what we did!
Was torn between Ferrari, Lambo and the R8. I must admit that the Italian "Red Heads" are just plain exotic as hell... But when seriously comparing, the "total cost of ownership" for the R8 is much less and better handling with AWD.
My only wish as that Audi could have implemented the DCT sooner. (The wife doesn't like to drive stick in Silicon Valley Traffic.)
Lol, Justin...we're far from being rich. The rich folks drive McLaren's and 458's.
I worked in several Tech Companies and the wife is a boss at her job. My honest advice is to get into Network Security or Java/C++ Programming. You'll have your car in no time!
In fact, getting a house is more important because that will allow you to build equity.
Justin, it doesn't require 4-8 years... You can do it in 2 years if you buckle down. Networking Security is not that hard...Getting an internship will give you super hands-on experience, which is invaluable in this field. (Imagine there's a product out there and you just have to learn how to use it. Of course "Life Happens" and it can take you a bit longer. But it's worth it because you don't have to physically slave away.)
Justin Jones how did it go
There might be some problems but compared to a non mid engine Corvette the 360’s gated hold their values very well and on a 430 gated it has gone up in value. It will be interesting to see if the new mid engine Corvettes will hold their values in the used car market.
360 today on eBay UK is £46,500 to 100,000. let's see what they cost in the future
Rob, the leaking on the convertible is not just a Ferrari problem.
That's just the life of a convertible.
This is true, but Rob always refers to all these nickle-and-dime, normal wear-and-tear issues as uniquely "Ferrari problems." It's sickening. And what's even more sickening is every simple-minded idiot, whom couldn't even dream of affording a car like this living behind a keyboard, then post comments suggesting that Ferrari are nothing but crap, when in reality, they are not.
These issues are more revealing of the consumers of luxury goods than of the makers of these things. On volume, I'd say Mercedes Benz is the biggest player (read: "culprit") on that, though their problems are less outrageous than these here. All that is needed is to maintain the "exclusive" and "prestigious" image, and they will have people lining up for this stuff, regardless of true quality and value. Once upon a decade (60's 70's 80's), MB cars were relatively scarce on the roads, and they absolutely were of the highest possible quality. Now, MB have figured out how to hook 10x as many consumers, their products roll around every middle-class suburb in the world. I always laugh when I see their little 5-door liftback grocery getters (model?), usually in very normal neighbourhoods, but they've made the move "up the ladder". Its a stroke of genius really, from a marketing standpoint.
This guy is totally realistic & casual about common things to look out for concerning normal wear & tear; design flaws, manufacturer defects, etc...on a 100 G Ferrari.
-Meanwhile people buy a 2 thousand dollar refrigerator & bitch & threaten to sue the appliance store where they bought it, because it makes a noise everytime it dumps ice cubes in the ice bucket!
Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?!
straight to the point video. well done with some valuable drive line inspection points to watch for. ($$$$$)
Those repeat nuisance problems would make me crazy. My Lotus had to have the motor mounts changed out at 22k miles
Great little video and true of the 360. my spider leather is fine so far on all issues other than the roof.
Liking the frequent uploads!!
Rob thanks for the video! I like the 360 but prefer the styling of the F430. Have you had any F430's in previous rental fleets? Are they reliable? thanks
F430 has similar problems but is chain-driven, so maintenance is slightly less. Remember, it's the same basic body with a facelift. The biggest change is the all-new engine.
regarding the leather shrinking get some ceramic window tint on all windows including the windshield
As for the vibration, it is because of the flat plane crank design of the engine. There's no counterbalance weights, which gives quicker and higher revs but makes quite a bit of vibration when compared to, say, a corvette. The good news is that Ferrari will replace the motor/transmission mounts with a 12 month warranty, meaning under normal wear and tear, you can have a free set installed every year if you drive like I do.
I love these videos. Keep them coming!