When I was camping last summer I was at a park near Lake Ontario north of me. A lot of them rode bicycles and there was a couple horse wagons I had my electric bicycle and a couple of the guys came over and talked to me they were really nice and respectful. Well the Amish stick together more than people out here. Nobody came to my house when my son died and I didn't even get to have a funeral for my own son. I raised my boys myself in Batavia New York my kid's mother took the remains home and never brought them back and I almost got arrested cuz of what I told her because it's horrific not to be able to mourn at a funeral with other people and have closure. It should be illegal but it's not and I will never speak to my kid's mother again cuz I have nothing good to say I don't know what the Amish people do but I believe you're supposed to forgive people and I'm not going to on this case ever! People where I live used to have funerals in the house I live in they call it the parlor. Wow that's a lot of wagons I think the Amish people will out survive anybody on earth besides Farmers like me while I used to be a farmer I can survive anything
I m sorry for your son oh God 🙏 is very sad to go to your son funeral and be alone without your family and your friends.i'm sorry my English it's not good.I was crying it's so emotional
What town are you from I have a first cousin in Sioux Falls or around that area his name is Dan mast maybe you know him. I'm in Northern Indiana right now
@@LetArtsLive Apparently the Amish are stronger than both of us. I couldn't / wouldn't forgive that either. Someone could ruin my life on accident and I could very likely get over it. However... the slightest infraction, with intent, and we have an ongoing problem. On the other hand, don't allow someone to take up space in your head without paying rent. This transgression is 100% on them. If closure was meant to be, it will come. Be patient & pay attention.
My sister lost her husband 3 months ago very unexpectedly. The area they lived in, really rallied around get and even came and mowed their lawn this summer so she didn't have to. You are so right, yes while its good to surround them right after, they need more then just that week or so. He was ready to go and we are so thankful!
I grew up in a farming community in the post war years. Up until the late 1960s, the community rallied around the family of the deceased. Food was brought, and the house cleaned. Family, neighbors, friends were there until no longer needed. Then the immediate family continued to help. My father's mother lost her husband just before Pearl Harbor happened. She was watched over and cared for by her daughters and son and the grandchildren. She moved into our home during the 1970s and lived there until she passed away. She lived as a widow almost forty years and never had a care for a roof over her head or food or any other need. We should still be so loving toward our people.
This is similar to the Appalachian Baptists I grew up with in Southeast Kentucky, there was always the body at home or in a church for a 24 hr wake where the body is not left alone that last night going into the burial service the following day, typically 2 days preceding this of 3 to 4 hr viewings with church service and singings, at the funeral a pass by Farewell by the attenders to the family, I too think these traditional practices are much better than modern funerals, people provide help and food and look out for their neighbors and extended family
Very similar to Maori funerals in New Zealand, even down to the helping fill the grave in. I'm not Maori but agree, these funeral traditions are so much better than modern funerals.
Same thing in the Philippines, which are predominantly Catholic. A lot of local Wakes are held in the deceased’s home where there is a 24 vigil for week, Family and Friend would gather around and held Dirges and Mass during the night. If the home is quite small the area of the wake would extend into the street where they would closed one lane and set up Tarpaulin and chairs and tables. A lot of those keeping vigil outside would go around drinking and sing terrible Karaoke in the street much to the annoyance to the neighbors who have to go to work in the morning.
In my Moms family they waked the dead at home until the funeral. Someone was always up 24/7 and food and beverages served to family who were coming from long distances. I vividly remember my Mom's dad's wake when I was four.
Thank you for sharing factual information with us. You have a very nice voice, clear, and a respectful way of presenting important information. May you be richly blessed .
Not Amish. Having being widowed suddenly at 47 services over, yes you are abandoned. I washed a load of laundry 14 times just could not put in dryer. Silly but true, especially counting. What and who got me through one kiss or hug at a time were my dogs.
@@believeinjesus8862 since I am not affiliated to any church, a friend held my husbands memorial at his church. I know his church members meant well when saying things to me like “ he is in God’s hands now ( a good God would not take him ) God needed him ( Not as much as I needed him ) God gave you many years with him ( no we still had at least 30+ years left) etc etc. None of these words were comforting. Who is he to take a good man when you let the likes of Manson rot in jail. I know this is why I found so much comfort in my animals. I would never embarrass my friend but I wanted to scream out on how non comforting those words are and now I know why I belong to no church!
@@BJ2020_ask God about this, he is good by default, what The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do, or allow, can at times be very hard, even seeming harsh, but there always is a reason behind it, and you can ask God and he will lovingly give you an answer. are you saved too? 💚 I talk to him daily and he is love let me tell you! I hope your husband is home cause Jesus is coming for his bride soon! 🫂
I agree wholeheartedly that we should not just leave the family in need after losing a loved one. Even after chores, harvesting, or auctions are done, we should be involved with them to get them through the mourning period. They need the support after the funeral too.
This is such an important comment!!! I know from experience. In Sept 2021 my husband died from COVID and we were left totally alone. My parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc, never even called to check on us. Because of the circumstances in our situation there was no funeral. My husband was cremated (he wanted it that way but I still have trouble with it) and I had his remains split between me and his sister. I felt as if it was the right thing to do, especially since we lived fairly far from his family. His sister kept in contact, but it was nothing more than a ruse, all about some money. Once the money was a no-go we never heard from her again. The only contact I've had with my in-laws since then was at the funeral of one of our granddaughters. Only two of my brothers in law spoke to me. I talked to one nephew, whom I hadn't seen since he was a baby, and a niece who still stays in touch with me. My family members turned their backs on us when we needed them the most. And for petty reasons. My mother went so far as to tell my daughter it was "stupid" to want to see her dad before he passed away. I can't grasp how someone can even think that's ok to say to their grandchild. My daughter was 24 at the time but it didn't hurt her any less than if she had been 14. I've had two cousins who actually came to my house. One is the daughter of the other and she grew up with my kids. Otherwise, no support of any kind from my immediate family and almost none from other family members. My work family became my real family at that point. They are the ones who hugged me and allowed me to cry on their shoulders. My husband and I had been separated at the time of his death but we had children, grandchildren and over 25 years of history together. I'm human, it hurt. More than I thought it would. I do believe God spared him from going through the tragic loss of our second oldest granddaughter on May 24th of this year. I FIRMLY believe if he'd been alive when that happened, we would have been dealing with both their deaths at the same time. It would have just been too much.. I know God did the best thing for us in a bad situation. But I do believe support is needed for those dealing with the loss of a loved one. And don't just assume someone else is checking in. The pain my heart suffered from the abandonment of those related to me in my time of grief still haunts me a year later. I don't want anyone else going through that. When my granddaughter passed away it was due to a school shooting and the whole world rallied around the families. I am unbelievably grateful for that. But it shouldn't take the deaths of 21 people on at an elementary school to bring out the goodness in our fellow man. Yes, we deal with death and loss every day in this world, but we should NEVER have to deal with it alone.
I'm not religious or anything, but I agree to that. It's amazing that the neighbours come and take over the chores. But in my country, of a close relative die, you can get a sick leave app 2 weeks. Paid BTW. But it's coincidental how many people you have to support you. Since most elderly over 70 in my country works, it must be the children or other relatives. If you don't have any relatives (and it's not that uncommon, some die alone) it's the county that takes care of the funeral. Then it's cremation and an urn in a common grave, unless you have a testament to demand otherwise.
Recently had a young Amish boy pass in a tragic accident. My dads a farmer and works closely with this family (this family in particular taps our trees for maple syrup) so, my dad and I took a cake over to the home.. the one thing that stood out to me was how nobody was shedding a single tear. They were all visiting... the man who greeted my and and I in the driveway one of the first things he asked was if we wanted to see the child. I declined because I didn't want to invade on their personal thing and because I knew I'd bawl like a baby.. but I was shocked.. not bad shocked but just... the acceptance and the understanding was overwhelming.
Our family was so separated that when my Momma died, I was the only one with her. Afterwards, my co-workers were there with me. I was sort of glad that people were less attentive as I just wanted and needed to be alone to work through the idea that Momma was gone.
I just found you on UA-cam yesterday thank you for sharing things with us. I’ve always been curious about the Amish. I live in Kansas, and we have an Amish community in the next county over there. real nice people it’s nice to kind of know a little about how they do things
Yep... I agree. I was (unfortunately) able to attend a funeral for one of the Amish community members (who I used to drive for) who succumbed to his injuries sustained in a accident that happened. He and his family were hit by a car that "didn't see the buggy", and he was in a comma for 2months, before he passed away. During that period time, I drove the family down to the hospital he was at so that they could spend time to sing to him through an open window(this was Covid period, and they were not allowing anyone inside, and luckily it was a ground level room). It was beautiful to hear them singing, by the way. When he passed away, I was so overwhelmed with the outpouring of love and support for the family from not just the community we were in, but from all over Michigan. The days of the funeral (it was like a 3 day ordeal), the final day, I went to the funeral and I was shocked! There was over 900 people that came from all OVER the USA AND CANADA(Ontario). Keep in mind. This Amish community was the 2nd northern most (at the time) community in Michigan. It was also small(maybe 20 families).
@@dawnchain1020 try driving at 55 mph at night and coming over a hill and there's the buggy! When I am driving in Amish area, I am always watching for them!
I been to one Amish funeral, my first and very likely my last. It was for my aunt. Because there's a large amount of people in the family that don't know PA Dutch, they had two services for her, English inside the house and PA Dutch in a tent at the same time. It was an interesting experience and there's a number similarly between the Amish and Mennonite/Beachy.
Being from Alaska, we found the Amish culture very interesting. Traveling through Pennsylvania we stopped at a farm selling eggs. We talked with the oldest brother for about an hour. Very pleasant and educating visit. Abraham was as curious about Alaska as we were his community. Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Christ is all about grace, unmerited favor. A beautiful gift. Looking forward to future videos👍👍
Ex Holmes County Amish fella here. I think one of the things that helps Amish families cope and grieve the loss of the family member is other families of that congregation and ones nearby will come visit on Sunday afternoons or sometimes in the evening during the week. And they might not specifically talk very much about the family member that passed, but they understand the reason they are there to visit and the conversations along with also the biweekly church services helps give the feeling of some form of normalcy even if it might only be for a few hours
You have a beautiful dog! I have always wondered. I grew up near a Mennonite community and they did some of the same things you talk about. Also, where I am originally from in Upstate NY, they occasionally dug extra graves in the fall, in anticipation of winter deaths.
Been awhile since I've watched one of your vids. You said something very important...we could learn so much from our Amish neighbors about real community.
This is wonderful…..I grew up in the south….and we always brought food and helped out the family any way we could. Someone would stay whether family or friends. Ongoing help is always needed both at home and possibly counseling as well.
I agree! I plan to be cremated, and I've told friends to mix my ashes with potting soil and plant a tree instead of spending $10K on a plot of land and a fancy box, then go have a party with food, music and laughter. I'm 56 and have many friends and family on the Other Side, so my death will be a happy time for me. I don't want people crying over me!
Thank you very much CJ for explaining this funeral process and Also for explaining the old order Amish process since they are much more strict like my community in Kenton. The Dan church is even a level stricter when it comes to someone leaving the Amish church
When my grandpa passed away, the church placed us ex-Amish folks farther from the casket (all of them were my grandpa's children, grandchildren, and spouses to the kids). My ex-Amish cousin and his family came in late and the church was full so they pulled up a few more chairs and placed him directly in front of the casket 😆 after we all filed past and my grandma was up by the casket one more time, 3 or 4 of her ex- Amish kids went up and put their arm around her. So that was pretty cool. Something the Amish wouldn't do.
Also, the ex-Amish kids were excited for him. Yes it's a change but my grandpa had lived a full life and was ready to go. He had a few experiences in his last weeks that we know he's in heaven.
I'm 21 years old and lost my dad a few months ago. It's been hard; but my mom, my brothers and I have been so blessed to be part of a faithful, Bible-believing church whose members have truly demonstrated the love of Christ to us as His Body. Even three months after, we're still being provided with occasional meals, financial help, phone calls to check in on us, and countless other things. It almost brings me to tears thinking about how this indescribable love others are showing us is just a small reflection of how much Christ first loved us. As far as I know, my dad wasn't a believer. I just have to trust my dad to God's care - knowing that God pursues the lost sheep and is all-wise, never making mistakes. The situation brings to mind both a song I've been listening to by the Gettys: "The Perfect Wisdom of Our God"; and Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (ESV) Thanks for the video, and blessings.
The interesting part is, the mourning part stop once the graveside service is over. I was a little surprised and asked my dad about it and he said, oh that's common. I been to one Amish funeral which was for my aunt and everyone want to talk to me afterwards. I met a number of my distance family for the first time. Alot of them are my second and third cousins.
@@oceanlover1663 In my religion it's a bit different. We wash and bury the body quick, ASAP. We have a Janazah prayer and bury the body within 24 hours, if possible. There is argument over autopsies. We don't embalm the dead. If the death is unexpected, we the Janazah and burial as quickly as possible, even if not within 24 hours. Members of the community will typically leave the family alone other than give them food. We don't do the "reception where the family provides food for people". "They just lost a loved one...and now they're supposed to ENTERTAIN you?" kind of thing. Some mosques apparently don't allow women to attend the Janazah, however, there is no evidence from Qur'an or Hadith for this. However, women should not go to the graveyard.
I watch a UA-cam channel called "Kari the Mortician". She answers questions that her viewers ask her and one of the questions was about female morticians at Muslim funerals. She lives in Michigan, so things might be different where you live. I say that with respect and sincerity. She said if the deceased is male, only men were allowed to attend to the deceased, go to the cemetery, etc. If the deceased was female, only women were allowed. To me, a Christian, that sounds very respectful. As someone who is very modest when it comes to being in public, I appreciated the separation of the sexes, even after death. I watched a video several years ago where the deceased was an infant. The man attending to the body, bathed them under a cover for the sake of modesty.
I am glad you left and have your freedom, your a good man. i am sure being amish may have done you some good, but living with that much control is ridiculous.
That is so loving for the Amish community! When my family died, grand parents, then my mom and dad. All died within 2 years. I was 19 at the end of all their lives. I had no support from my extended family. I am 70 and still hurts today.
I belong to an Apostolic Pentecostal church and we call the gather of family and friends as a “Celebration of Life “, because we know they’re with Jesus! ❤️✝️
If somebody comiting suicaid probably was mentally sick and suffering so WAY punish and humiliate his family? That’s not love of God .that’s human cruelty
Where I live, I’m close to several Amish communities. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with the people I’ve met. Of course, my interaction has been from the outside. I’ve often wondered about the people such as yourself that has chosen to leave the community and I have to say this… I can’t imagine how hard it was to leave. I know there’s things you probably keep close to your heart that you don’t care to share, which I totally understand. The best thing about your leaving is learning about the love and grace of Jesus Christ. There’s a totally different outlook between the preaching of the Amish (almost seems to be totally Old Testament teaching) of course this is my opinion. May the Lord bless you and give you deep peace brother.
Back in the day , when someone passed away , like he said , the community would come clean your house , bring cooked foods, do what ever needs to be done . Those days are LONG GONE !! SMH
unfortunately, as a culture, we have given up 'community' with everyone working and scheduled activities -- nobody knows their neighbor because they are never home and when they do , they are frightened to even say hello to someone else
They were not Amish but my mother and father grew-up on farms. Now, mom is now 87 and dad would've been in his 90's but the description of how the community comes together with the Amish sounds like how the farm community comes together at least in my parent's time.
Good job C.J. I don't believe Amish invest in expensive vaults, either. During COVID-19. I missed several Amish funerals in IN when aunts and uncles passed away. When an aunt passed, her children and spouses came from KS, MO, PA, and elsewhere. 13 out of 14 got the virus. Her sister died a few weeks later. It was a very sad season and I was not able to be with my family. I was able to be in IN Labor Day weekend and go to reunions and love on my family and meet cousins and their families. While I was in Goshen, my brother died. It was special that some of those cousins came to his viewing or funeral. God bless family support!! Keep up your teaching of our ancestral ways. Appreciate it.
I truly love your candidness and your personal conviction. I wish more Christians would show that part of their faith. Your videos are teaching me more about my neighbors here in Wyoming. Mennonites are thriving in our small community of Basin Wyoming. Their kids have their own school, they provide a very no nonsense workforce to some small businesses, and not all farm. Some have construction, and various other manual labor services. Their church services are even open to the public.
I grew up in Berks County Pennsylvania. Those were very strick up there. Things have very much changed over the years. I'm in Kentucky now, the Amish community here is very relaxed.
The idea of community continuing to look after others that have had their lives forever changed by death of a father, mother etc.. just doesn't seem to exist any more. I think we all yearn for it but it's hard to get back once it is gone.
there are still some that do it -- but for the most part, our culture has changed to an everyone for themselves culture -- but consider why it happens --- as a culture in general -- we drop our children off at day care at six weeks old to fend for themselves....
Each if us can initiate the change by DOING ourselves what we would like to see happen. Others will observe and maybe join in. A pebble in a pool of water. 😅
@@beloveddaughter8585 exactly! Always 'love' the comments from others when they say 'they should..." No - you start and let everyone else follow :-) So easy to tell others what they should do...
People die everyday, we all are eventually going die, people get wrapped up in ritual, it is a way of accepting what has happened, and dealing with grief, everyone deals with death differently. . . . . every culture has a way of showing there respects, But, remember, this is all done for the living, the dead are gone, i feel sometimes small children are traumatized by how much confusion by all these different type of ceremonial practices people do . . . . Something i feel kids should not have go through all of what the adults give them no choice in
Similar to other Christian relgions but like you I believe at the time of death the soul goes for judgement and hopefully to heaven. One thing that is very distressing to me as an animal lover is the way the Amish treat their horses and other livestock. Appalling.
When my dad passed away no family or he's friend's did not bring me nothing .....they did the same when my mother passed 4 years later..l lived in there home.then my dad gave me the house.but no one came checked on me..l am 68 and l had a hard time dealing with everyone doing this..it saden me to this day.they all ways we t to church .but no one came..
my doctor is an ex Amish. from Ohio, her mom and dad were shunned. Well her daddy was, but the entire family left. I ABSOLUTELY love her, and her work. 🥰🥰🥰 They should be proud of her. PNWU.. she is one of the founders.
Our son died in the first weeks of Lockdown we couldn’t even have a funeral as no guidelines were laid out at the time Even my family which is large were not permitted to come to our home. Not only did we suffer a loss but also missed the closeness of family
I remember as a child (1950s), that suicides and unbaptised babies were buried outside the hallowed ground of the cemetery. Twin girls born to my grandmother died within hours of their birth (1915 or so) and are buried in an unmarked grave outside the hallowed ground of the cemetery as they weren't baptized. And my mother 1930s told of a Jewish man who married outside of the Jewish faith, and his family had a funeral for him with an empty casket, as he was dead to them.
The English could learn a lot about caring for their community from the Amish! And yeah I grew up around the Amish. I grew up in Illinois near Arcola and the Amish community there. Very nice people.
My great grandma lived in Trilla and later Mattoon. She taught me alot about Amish in the area. I think I was around 14 when I saw a teen girl get into a car with a boy. Back then I didnt yet know about rumspringa. I thought oh boy if her parents found out she would be in trouble. Now 67 and still love learning about the different amish sects. Things have changed for them thru time as well, just not like the English.
This sounds very similar to a Jewish funeral. Except Jews don't have viewings and open coffins. Similar rules for suicides, as well. Also simple coffins bc everyone is ultimately equal before God, no matter their station in this life.
When he described the day of the funeral, I said to myself “Oh! It’s just like a Black funeral!” I mean all the way down to the length of time for the funeral and having the meal where the service was held after coming back from the cemetery. The one difference is that only the people from the funeral home are allowed to put the dirt on the casket because it’s too dangerous getting near the grave. After reading some of the other comments, I realized that I needed to add some info. First thing, I’m from the South in a small town community where it used to be mainly farming for everyone a couple of generations ago (I’m 49.) I think that in the South, people are generally helpful to each other even regardless of race in some communities. It’s a beautiful thing to see.
I take food to the family of one who passed away. People always ask why I do that. That's what I was thought and seen. I think what you said about the church and others is perfect. We all should go back to doing some ways of respect.
My grnd mother went through this when she left the Amish community and met my grandfather who was English her Amish husband and children considered her dead
A lot of Amish also have very plain tombstones. Some are just a small stone slab with initial of the deceased, and others are wooden and wither away after a few years. Rarely will you see the more elaborate burial mounds.
I wonder where you got the info about Dan Church? I grew up in Ohio in the middle of the community where the Dan church started. I have never heard of the gravestone thing when someone leaves.
I think that is not fair to exclude family members who left Amish community when a family member passed . They still love that person just as much as the ones who are still Amish.
Remember as a kid the person was always laid out it was called awake for 3 days and they were buried seems like they don't do that so much anymore. They are laid out for one day now
My mother committed suicide 51 years ago today 10/6/1971. She was of a faith called Christidelphian, my brother and I were raised, and baptised in to, the Baptist faith. I like to think my Mother is in Heaven, God knew she was in a lot of physical pain as the result of a car accident long before our parents met. As an adult I understand things that the 5 year old I was could never have grasped. My mother's faith believed like the Amish, that "The dead know nothing" and sleep until Christ returns. As children, we used to go to the Mennonite community in Waynesboro, Va. every summer and bought the most amazing cheeses that we brought home and froze. As kids, we were fascinated by the horses and buggies and how friendly and polite everyone was to us.
I agree, need to check in with family weeks after death of lived one. both my children passed as young adults within a couple of months of each other. realized my family wasn't there for me. the community also wasn't. those that pretended to care and show up at memorial never to see or hear from again. that was winter of 2019. I now hold onto you will know them by there fruit and let the dead bury their dead.
The practice of burying A suicide outside the cemetery fence is a very old practice going back centuries. The belief being a suicide cannot be buried in hallowed ground.
Funeral director once told me the reason they embalm people is to preserve it to last longer for funeral and people can view them. If they don't want embalming they have 72 hours to bury the deceased. Called a natural burial in my state. Embalming is a big no no here. You suppose to go back the way you came as stated in the bible. natural.💖
Having a 3 day viewing and funeral with a open coffin would make imbalming necessary. You can't leave a body unrefrigerated for that long without consequences.
We had an Amish community near where we grew up in Sussex, England, though they're called Bruderhof there. Their beliefs maybe the same, but British law is different to US law. Funerals must follow strict regulations and inhumations must be in a cemetary, regardless of the manner of death. While growing up, I remember always feeling sorry for the teenagers who had to leave their community for two years and live as outsiders. There was a documentary about them a few years ago and it opened my eyes to a lot of things. It's a pity that we, on the outside, are left to guess the what why and wherefore of other religious groups. It breeds contention and intollerance. And that causes some groups to close ranks and speak even less to outsiders. So, on that, thanks for sharing your insights. It really is important for sicial acceptance and understanding.
@@Marius-dk9je Oops, yes, you're right. I meant the other group in Sussex. I've forgotten their name, but I know they identified themselves as Amish. Two of the girls and I went to secondary school together.
I've actually witnessed one church that basically lied. The boy that was deceased was driving a pickup when it flipped. The church said he wasn't driving the truck even though he was belted in the driver's side. They said his best friend that was English was driving. I know they didn't want the young people to know and think driving was ok but I feel like they committed a bigger sin by covering it up. My belief is how will the youth know it's wrong when they act like the person did no wrong. Here in Grabill drinking was a big problem among the youth. I've asked many parents why they allow their kids to go with groups that drink. Their answer was "I drank in my youth so how can I tell them to not drink?" Basically the parents hide their sin from the kids because they don't want to seem like Hippocrates.
Ilost my mother July the 9th just a couple months ago, I have a few family members left they never came and I never even got a card nor an explanation so I'm all alone struggling to maintain the house and grieve 😔 I know God is with me I just feel so alone now,
Prayers for you. The grief doesn't end with the funeral. I lost my sister in law on September 2nd, her daughter lived with her and took care of her for the past 4 years. I call once a week to check in and let her know she hasn't been forgotten.
As a Confessional Lutheran of Pennsylvania "Fancy" Dutch descent (mother's side of the family were mostly German Lutheran, with some family members in Wesleyan Evangelical Brethren and United Methodist congregations) when it comes to suicide, most of the Churches will treat suicide differently than someone who was just outright murdered at the hands of someone else: in Colonial America, those who died by suicide in the Crown Colonies in which the Church of England was the Established Church followed the "felo de se" laws laid out by the Acts of Parliament in Westminster and would bury people in crossroads in the middle of the night and without any services; New England Separatists/Congregationalists likewise did the same (things varied in the Proprietary Colonies although Maryland, originally a Catholic colony before the Calvert Family converted to the Church of England would follow Roman Catholic Canon Law in regards to suicide, however once Maryland came under the Church of England, the British laws in regards to suicide was followed). During the lockdowns in 2020, one of my Facebook friends, a pastor in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS) lost his only child to suicide, and normally, the LCMS will have an actual funeral in the congregation, with appropriate prayers for those who died by suicide be recited. However due to the restrictions, the pastor's son was entombed (as most of the NOLA is on swampland which at spots, is below sea level) in a graveside service similar to that found in the 1662 English Book of Common Prayer, with a memorial service later held at his congregation in suburban NOLA after most of the restrictions were lifted.
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When I was camping last summer I was at a park near Lake Ontario north of me. A lot of them rode bicycles and there was a couple horse wagons I had my electric bicycle and a couple of the guys came over and talked to me they were really nice and respectful. Well the Amish stick together more than people out here. Nobody came to my house when my son died and I didn't even get to have a funeral for my own son. I raised my boys myself in Batavia New York my kid's mother took the remains home and never brought them back and I almost got arrested cuz of what I told her because it's horrific not to be able to mourn at a funeral with other people and have closure. It should be illegal but it's not and I will never speak to my kid's mother again cuz I have nothing good to say I don't know what the Amish people do but I believe you're supposed to forgive people and I'm not going to on this case ever! People where I live used to have funerals in the house I live in they call it the parlor. Wow that's a lot of wagons I think the Amish people will out survive anybody on earth besides Farmers like me while I used to be a farmer I can survive anything
I m sorry for your son oh God 🙏 is very sad to go to your son funeral and be alone without your family and your friends.i'm sorry my English it's not good.I was crying it's so emotional
What town are you from I have a first cousin in Sioux Falls or around that area his name is Dan mast maybe you know him. I'm in Northern Indiana right now
@@LetArtsLive Apparently the Amish are stronger than both of us. I couldn't / wouldn't forgive that either.
Someone could ruin my life on accident and I could very likely get over it. However... the slightest infraction, with intent, and we have an ongoing problem.
On the other hand, don't allow someone to take up space in your head without paying rent.
This transgression is 100% on them. If closure was meant to be, it will come. Be patient & pay attention.
I'm curious about Amish schools. I heard you mention that the vast majority don't go beyond 8th grade.
What is taught and how?
When my dad was passing, our church came and sang him off into heaven. It was very touching as he sang in chior.
Hello 👋how are you doing?
That was a very kind act that your church family did. How blessed your family must have felt.
God Bless. What a wonderful thing to do.
❤that was very beautiful of them to do 🙏🏼
Sounds like a good way to go. Vary cool.
My sister lost her husband 3 months ago very unexpectedly. The area they lived in, really rallied around get and even came and mowed their lawn this summer so she didn't have to. You are so right, yes while its good to surround them right after, they need more then just that week or so. He was ready to go and we are so thankful!
I grew up in a farming community in the post war years. Up until the late 1960s, the community rallied around the family of the deceased. Food was brought, and the house cleaned. Family, neighbors, friends were there until no longer needed. Then the immediate family continued to help. My father's mother lost her husband just before Pearl Harbor happened. She was watched over and cared for by her daughters and son and the grandchildren. She moved into our home during the 1970s and lived there until she passed away. She lived as a widow almost forty years and never had a care for a roof over her head or food or any other need. We should still be so loving toward our people.
This is similar to the Appalachian Baptists I grew up with in Southeast Kentucky, there was always the body at home or in a church for a 24 hr wake where the body is not left alone that last night going into the burial service the following day, typically 2 days preceding this of 3 to 4 hr viewings with church service and singings, at the funeral a pass by Farewell by the attenders to the family, I too think these traditional practices are much better than modern funerals, people provide help and food and look out for their neighbors and extended family
Very similar to Maori funerals in New Zealand, even down to the helping fill the grave in. I'm not Maori but agree, these funeral traditions are so much better than modern funerals.
Same thing in the Philippines, which are predominantly Catholic. A lot of local Wakes are held in the deceased’s home where there is a 24 vigil for week, Family and Friend would gather around and held Dirges and Mass during the night. If the home is quite small the area of the wake would extend into the street where they would closed one lane and set up Tarpaulin and chairs and tables. A lot of those keeping vigil outside would go around drinking and sing terrible Karaoke in the street much to the annoyance to the neighbors who have to go to work in the morning.
In my Moms family they waked the dead at home until the funeral. Someone was always up 24/7 and food and beverages served to family who were coming from long distances. I vividly remember my Mom's dad's wake when I was four.
YES! I went to my husband's Mom's funeral- in Falcon Ky it was up on a hill, but lovely 🌹
God Bless.
I wish that more communities were as organized and helpful to the bereaved as the Amish community.
Thank you for sharing factual information with us. You have a very nice voice, clear, and a respectful way of presenting important information. May you be richly blessed .
This is going to be a very popular channel if he's able to continue.
I agree. We all need to step up during the hard times of friends and family
Not Amish. Having being widowed suddenly at 47 services over, yes you are abandoned. I washed a load of laundry 14 times just could not put in dryer. Silly but true, especially counting. What and who got me through one kiss or hug at a time were my dogs.
A good Christian church will have help and meals lined up. I know that when I had my babies, they did that....🤔
@@believeinjesus8862 since I am not affiliated to any church, a friend held my husbands memorial at his church. I know his church members meant well when saying things to me like “ he is in God’s hands now ( a good God would not take him ) God needed him ( Not as much as I needed him ) God gave you many years with him ( no we still had at least 30+ years left) etc etc. None of these words were comforting. Who is he to take a good man when you let the likes of Manson rot in jail. I know this is why I found so much comfort in my animals. I would never embarrass my friend but I wanted to scream out on how non comforting those words are and now I know why I belong to no church!
@@BJ2020_ask God about this, he is good by default, what The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do, or allow, can at times be very hard, even seeming harsh, but there always is a reason behind it, and you can ask God and he will lovingly give you an answer. are you saved too? 💚
I talk to him daily and he is love let me tell you! I hope your husband is home cause Jesus is coming for his bride soon! 🫂
That’s heartwarming that they take care of each other and help the families mourning what a wonderful thing to do
I agree wholeheartedly that we should not just leave the family in need after losing a loved one. Even after chores, harvesting, or auctions are done, we should be involved with them to get them through the mourning period. They need the support after the funeral too.
Amen.
This is such an important comment!!! I know from experience. In Sept 2021 my husband died from COVID and we were left totally alone. My parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc, never even called to check on us. Because of the circumstances in our situation there was no funeral. My husband was cremated (he wanted it that way but I still have trouble with it) and I had his remains split between me and his sister. I felt as if it was the right thing to do, especially since we lived fairly far from his family. His sister kept in contact, but it was nothing more than a ruse, all about some money. Once the money was a no-go we never heard from her again. The only contact I've had with my in-laws since then was at the funeral of one of our granddaughters. Only two of my brothers in law spoke to me. I talked to one nephew, whom I hadn't seen since he was a baby, and a niece who still stays in touch with me. My family members turned their backs on us when we needed them the most. And for petty reasons. My mother went so far as to tell my daughter it was "stupid" to want to see her dad before he passed away. I can't grasp how someone can even think that's ok to say to their grandchild. My daughter was 24 at the time but it didn't hurt her any less than if she had been 14. I've had two cousins who actually came to my house. One is the daughter of the other and she grew up with my kids. Otherwise, no support of any kind from my immediate family and almost none from other family members. My work family became my real family at that point. They are the ones who hugged me and allowed me to cry on their shoulders. My husband and I had been separated at the time of his death but we had children, grandchildren and over 25 years of history together. I'm human, it hurt. More than I thought it would. I do believe God spared him from going through the tragic loss of our second oldest granddaughter on May 24th of this year. I FIRMLY believe if he'd been alive when that happened, we would have been dealing with both their deaths at the same time. It would have just been too much.. I know God did the best thing for us in a bad situation. But I do believe support is needed for those dealing with the loss of a loved one. And don't just assume someone else is checking in. The pain my heart suffered from the abandonment of those related to me in my time of grief still haunts me a year later. I don't want anyone else going through that. When my granddaughter passed away it was due to a school shooting and the whole world rallied around the families. I am unbelievably grateful for that. But it shouldn't take the deaths of 21 people on at an elementary school to bring out the goodness in our fellow man. Yes, we deal with death and loss every day in this world, but we should NEVER have to deal with it alone.
I'm not religious or anything, but I agree to that. It's amazing that the neighbours come and take over the chores. But in my country, of a close relative die, you can get a sick leave app 2 weeks. Paid BTW.
But it's coincidental how many people you have to support you. Since most elderly over 70 in my country works, it must be the children or other relatives. If you don't have any relatives (and it's not that uncommon, some die alone) it's the county that takes care of the funeral. Then it's cremation and an urn in a common grave, unless you have a testament to demand otherwise.
Recently had a young Amish boy pass in a tragic accident. My dads a farmer and works closely with this family (this family in particular taps our trees for maple syrup) so, my dad and I took a cake over to the home.. the one thing that stood out to me was how nobody was shedding a single tear. They were all visiting... the man who greeted my and and I in the driveway one of the first things he asked was if we wanted to see the child. I declined because I didn't want to invade on their personal thing and because I knew I'd bawl like a baby.. but I was shocked.. not bad shocked but just... the acceptance and the understanding was overwhelming.
Our family was so separated that when my Momma died, I was the only one with her. Afterwards, my co-workers were there with me. I was sort of glad that people were less attentive as I just wanted and needed to be alone to work through the idea that Momma was gone.
I just found you on UA-cam yesterday thank you for sharing things with us. I’ve always been curious about the Amish. I live in Kansas, and we have an Amish community in the next county over there. real nice people it’s nice to kind of know a little about how they do things
My Amish family is in KS. Are you near Garnett or Hutchison?
@@karenenglish4900 actually the group that I live by is near Oswego Kansas A Amish guy from Hutchinson put doors in my shop he works for Sturdi Bilt
Yep... I agree. I was (unfortunately) able to attend a funeral for one of the Amish community members (who I used to drive for) who succumbed to his injuries sustained in a accident that happened. He and his family were hit by a car that "didn't see the buggy", and he was in a comma for 2months, before he passed away. During that period time, I drove the family down to the hospital he was at so that they could spend time to sing to him through an open window(this was Covid period, and they were not allowing anyone inside, and luckily it was a ground level room). It was beautiful to hear them singing, by the way.
When he passed away, I was so overwhelmed with the outpouring of love and support for the family from not just the community we were in, but from all over Michigan. The days of the funeral (it was like a 3 day ordeal), the final day, I went to the funeral and I was shocked! There was over 900 people that came from all OVER the USA AND CANADA(Ontario).
Keep in mind. This Amish community was the 2nd northern most (at the time) community in Michigan. It was also small(maybe 20 families).
How can an englisher not see a buggy? That person had to have been really distracted to not see it.
@@dawnchain1020 the same way "They didn't see the motorcyclist " , either they don't pay attention or they just don't care .
@@dawnchain1020 try driving at 55 mph at night and coming over a hill and there's the buggy! When I am driving in Amish area, I am always watching for them!
Same for my aunt, a tiny Amish community out in the sticks and over 500 people show up! Crazy to think about it.
Amazing! The community they have and the love they have for each other.
I been to one Amish funeral, my first and very likely my last. It was for my aunt. Because there's a large amount of people in the family that don't know PA Dutch, they had two services for her, English inside the house and PA Dutch in a tent at the same time. It was an interesting experience and there's a number similarly between the Amish and Mennonite/Beachy.
Being from Alaska, we found the Amish culture very interesting. Traveling through Pennsylvania we stopped at a farm selling eggs. We talked with the oldest brother for about an hour. Very pleasant and educating visit. Abraham was as curious about Alaska as we were his community.
Thoroughly enjoyed your video. Christ is all about grace, unmerited favor. A beautiful gift. Looking forward to future videos👍👍
Ex Holmes County Amish fella here. I think one of the things that helps Amish families cope and grieve the loss of the family member is other families of that congregation and ones nearby will come visit on Sunday afternoons or sometimes in the evening during the week. And they might not specifically talk very much about the family member that passed, but they understand the reason they are there to visit and the conversations along with also the biweekly church services helps give the feeling of some form of normalcy even if it might only be for a few hours
The idea that they come in and do all those things is wonderful!! How gracious of them. I agree that we can do better!!
Hey thanks CJ for sharing this 🙏
You have a beautiful dog! I have always wondered. I grew up near a Mennonite community and they did some of the same things you talk about. Also, where I am originally from in Upstate NY, they occasionally dug extra graves in the fall, in anticipation of winter deaths.
Excellent video, congratulations.
Been awhile since I've watched one of your vids. You said something very important...we could learn so much from our Amish neighbors about real community.
This is wonderful…..I grew up in the south….and we always brought food and helped out the family any way we could. Someone would stay whether family or friends. Ongoing help is always needed both at home and possibly counseling as well.
I think Our Funerals are way to fancy. There is nothing You can do for the person once they are gone.
I agree! I plan to be cremated, and I've told friends to mix my ashes with potting soil and plant a tree instead of spending $10K on a plot of land and a fancy box, then go have a party with food, music and laughter. I'm 56 and have many friends and family on the Other Side, so my death will be a happy time for me. I don't want people crying over me!
When my dad passed everyone came & dropped off food than let the family be with just us. We had a wonderful community
Thank you very much CJ for explaining this funeral process and Also for explaining the old order Amish process since they are much more strict like my community in Kenton. The Dan church is even a level stricter when it comes to someone leaving the Amish church
This was very interesting. Thank you for sharing!
When my grandpa passed away, the church placed us ex-Amish folks farther from the casket (all of them were my grandpa's children, grandchildren, and spouses to the kids). My ex-Amish cousin and his family came in late and the church was full so they pulled up a few more chairs and placed him directly in front of the casket 😆 after we all filed past and my grandma was up by the casket one more time, 3 or 4 of her ex- Amish kids went up and put their arm around her. So that was pretty cool. Something the Amish wouldn't do.
Also, the ex-Amish kids were excited for him. Yes it's a change but my grandpa had lived a full life and was ready to go. He had a few experiences in his last weeks that we know he's in heaven.
I'm 21 years old and lost my dad a few months ago. It's been hard; but my mom, my brothers and I have been so blessed to be part of a faithful, Bible-believing church whose members have truly demonstrated the love of Christ to us as His Body. Even three months after, we're still being provided with occasional meals, financial help, phone calls to check in on us, and countless other things. It almost brings me to tears thinking about how this indescribable love others are showing us is just a small reflection of how much Christ first loved us.
As far as I know, my dad wasn't a believer. I just have to trust my dad to God's care - knowing that God pursues the lost sheep and is all-wise, never making mistakes. The situation brings to mind both a song I've been listening to by the Gettys: "The Perfect Wisdom of Our God"; and Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (ESV)
Thanks for the video, and blessings.
Greetings from Coldwater Michigan! New subscriber
Very interesting! thx for sharing. I'm going to go check out you other videos!
The Amish are very caring and supportive to the family in Mourning 🥰
The interesting part is, the mourning part stop once the graveside service is over. I was a little surprised and asked my dad about it and he said, oh that's common. I been to one Amish funeral which was for my aunt and everyone want to talk to me afterwards. I met a number of my distance family for the first time. Alot of them are my second and third cousins.
@@oceanlover1663 In my religion it's a bit different. We wash and bury the body quick, ASAP. We have a Janazah prayer and bury the body within 24 hours, if possible. There is argument over autopsies. We don't embalm the dead. If the death is unexpected, we the Janazah and burial as quickly as possible, even if not within 24 hours. Members of the community will typically leave the family alone other than give them food. We don't do the "reception where the family provides food for people". "They just lost a loved one...and now they're supposed to ENTERTAIN you?" kind of thing. Some mosques apparently don't allow women to attend the Janazah, however, there is no evidence from Qur'an or Hadith for this. However, women should not go to the graveyard.
I watch a UA-cam channel called "Kari the Mortician". She answers questions that her viewers ask her and one of the questions was about female morticians at Muslim funerals. She lives in Michigan, so things might be different where you live. I say that with respect and sincerity. She said if the deceased is male, only men were allowed to attend to the deceased, go to the cemetery, etc. If the deceased was female, only women were allowed. To me, a Christian, that sounds very respectful. As someone who is very modest when it comes to being in public, I appreciated the separation of the sexes, even after death. I watched a video several years ago where the deceased was an infant. The man attending to the body, bathed them under a cover for the sake of modesty.
@@leeannjohnson1808 Yes. However, there is one exception. The spouse is allowed to wash the body.
Ty for sharing all of this!
I am glad you left and have your freedom, your a good man. i am sure being amish may have done you some good, but living with that much control is ridiculous.
Lovely. I do wish the Amish understood a personal relationship with our savior.
That is so loving for the Amish community! When my family died, grand parents, then my mom and dad. All died within 2 years. I was 19 at the end of all their lives. I had no support from my extended family. I am 70 and still hurts today.
I belong to an Apostolic Pentecostal church and we call the gather of family and friends as a “Celebration of Life “, because we know they’re with Jesus! ❤️✝️
Thank you for also including your input. Helped. Me. Alot.
If somebody comiting suicaid probably was mentally sick and suffering so WAY punish and humiliate his family? That’s not love of God .that’s human cruelty
I agree with you that only God can judge the outcome of anyone's final placement, not the Amish or other religious doctrine.
Wow ❤ we should all learn from these beautiful people. Thank you so much for sharing
Where I live, I’m close to several Amish communities. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with the people I’ve met. Of course, my interaction has been from the outside. I’ve often wondered about the people such as yourself that has chosen to leave the community and I have to say this… I can’t imagine how hard it was to leave. I know there’s things you probably keep close to your heart that you don’t care to share, which I totally understand. The best thing about your leaving is learning about the love and grace of Jesus Christ. There’s a totally different outlook between the preaching of the Amish (almost seems to be totally Old Testament teaching) of course this is my opinion. May the Lord bless you and give you deep peace brother.
Back in the day , when someone passed away , like he said , the community would come clean your house , bring cooked foods, do what ever needs to be done .
Those days are LONG GONE !!
SMH
unfortunately, as a culture, we have given up 'community' with everyone working and scheduled activities -- nobody knows their neighbor because they are never home and when they do , they are frightened to even say hello to someone else
They were not Amish but my mother and father grew-up on farms. Now, mom is now 87 and dad would've been in his 90's but the description of how the community comes together with the Amish sounds like how the farm community comes together at least in my parent's time.
Good job C.J. I don't believe Amish invest in expensive vaults, either.
During COVID-19. I missed several Amish funerals in IN when aunts and uncles passed away.
When an aunt passed, her children and spouses came from KS, MO, PA, and elsewhere. 13 out of 14 got the virus. Her sister died a few weeks later. It was a very sad season and I was not able to be with my family.
I was able to be in IN Labor Day weekend and go to reunions and love on my family and meet cousins and their families. While I was in Goshen, my brother died. It was special that some of those cousins came to his viewing or funeral. God bless family support!!
Keep up your teaching of our ancestral ways. Appreciate it.
Thank you
I truly love your candidness and your personal conviction. I wish more Christians would show that part of their faith.
Your videos are teaching me more about my neighbors here in Wyoming. Mennonites are thriving in our small community of Basin Wyoming. Their kids have their own school, they provide a very no nonsense workforce to some small businesses, and not all farm. Some have construction, and various other manual labor services. Their church services are even open to the public.
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Yep we can definitely do better mourning with those who mourn.
I grew up in Berks County Pennsylvania. Those were very strick up there. Things have very much changed over the years. I'm in Kentucky now, the Amish community here is very relaxed.
The idea of community continuing to look after others that have had their lives forever changed by death of a father, mother etc.. just doesn't seem to exist any more. I think we all yearn for it but it's hard to get back once it is gone.
there are still some that do it -- but for the most part, our culture has changed to an everyone for themselves culture -- but consider why it happens --- as a culture in general -- we drop our children off at day care at six weeks old to fend for themselves....
Each if us can initiate the change by DOING ourselves what we would like to see happen. Others will observe and maybe join in. A pebble in a pool of water. 😅
@@beloveddaughter8585 exactly! Always 'love' the comments from others when they say 'they should..." No - you start and let everyone else follow :-) So easy to tell others what they should do...
Great video... suicide is a very sad thing. if people would just realize things do get better
People die everyday, we all are eventually going die, people get wrapped up in ritual, it is a way of accepting what has happened, and dealing with grief, everyone deals with death differently. . . . . every culture has a way of showing there respects, But, remember, this is all done for the living, the dead are gone, i feel sometimes small children are traumatized by how much confusion by all these different type of ceremonial practices people do . . . . Something i feel kids should not have go through all of what the adults give them no choice in
Yup that’s Eli Yoder’s family , I don’t blame them for taking those fence down !
is it the Eli yoder from shipshewana area? he was a bisho0p and would have been about 80?
Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you for your Biblical commentary. Godspeed.
Similar to other Christian relgions but like you I believe at the time of death the soul goes for judgement and hopefully to heaven. One thing that is very distressing to me as an animal lover is the way the Amish treat their horses and other livestock. Appalling.
When my dad passed away no family or he's friend's did not bring me nothing .....they did the same when my mother passed 4 years later..l lived in there home.then my dad gave me the house.but no one came checked on me..l am 68 and l had a hard time dealing with everyone doing this..it saden me to this day.they all ways we t to church .but no one came..
Yes you are so right I know some Amish are becoming born again I would love to see all of them born again
That would be the answer to fixing what ails our nation, at least a very blessed attitude adjustment...... Soo needed.
my doctor is an ex Amish. from Ohio, her mom and dad were shunned. Well her daddy was, but the entire family left. I ABSOLUTELY love her, and her work. 🥰🥰🥰 They should be proud of her. PNWU.. she is one of the founders.
Keep making videos. Thanks.
Those glasses make you look so smart!!
Very interesting! Thank you!
Very interesting 🧐 Thanks!
Our son died in the first weeks of Lockdown we couldn’t even have a funeral as no guidelines were laid out at the time
Even my family which is large were not permitted to come to our home. Not only did we suffer a loss but also missed the closeness of family
I’m so sorry 😢 . I wish I had some comforting words but there are none . That’s is so hard what you lived through .
This is beyond sad. Hope you find peace
I remember as a child (1950s), that suicides and unbaptised babies were buried outside the hallowed ground of the cemetery. Twin girls born to my grandmother died within hours of their birth (1915 or so) and are buried in an unmarked grave outside the hallowed ground of the cemetery as they weren't baptized. And my mother 1930s told of a Jewish man who married outside of the Jewish faith, and his family had a funeral for him with an empty casket, as he was dead to them.
God bless you all,I hope you all live forever.
The English could learn a lot about caring for their community from the Amish! And yeah I grew up around the Amish. I grew up in Illinois near Arcola and the Amish community there. Very nice people.
My great grandma lived in Trilla and later Mattoon. She taught me alot about Amish in the area. I think I was around 14 when I saw a teen girl get into a car with a boy. Back then I didnt yet know about rumspringa. I thought oh boy if her parents found out she would be in trouble. Now 67 and still love learning about the different amish sects. Things have changed for them thru time as well, just not like the English.
This sounds very similar to a Jewish funeral. Except Jews don't have viewings and open coffins. Similar rules for suicides, as well. Also simple coffins bc everyone is ultimately equal before God, no matter their station in this life.
This was interesting. I learned something new
When he described the day of the funeral, I said to myself “Oh! It’s just like a Black funeral!” I mean all the way down to the length of time for the funeral and having the meal where the service was held after coming back from the cemetery. The one difference is that only the people from the funeral home are allowed to put the dirt on the casket because it’s too dangerous getting near the grave. After reading some of the other comments, I realized that I needed to add some info. First thing, I’m from the South in a small town community where it used to be mainly farming for everyone a couple of generations ago (I’m 49.) I think that in the South, people are generally helpful to each other even regardless of race in some communities. It’s a beautiful thing to see.
I take food to the family of one who passed away. People always ask why I do that. That's what I was thought and seen. I think what you said about the church and others is perfect. We all should go back to doing some ways of respect.
Very interesting
My grnd mother went through this when she left the Amish community and met my grandfather who was English her Amish husband and children considered her dead
I was surprised that the preparation of the body is relegated to the embalmer and the family doesn’t do this final mercy.
I agree with you what someone accepts Christ you know where they'll be
I think the "helping" aspect is wonderful. However, I do prefer a "Celebration of Life" with joyous songs, praises and music unto the Lord. 👏🏻👍🏻💕
A lot of Amish also have very plain tombstones. Some are just a small stone slab with initial of the deceased, and others are wooden and wither away after a few years. Rarely will you see the more elaborate burial mounds.
You have the literal same eyeglass frames as I do.
I wonder where you got the info about Dan Church? I grew up in Ohio in the middle of the community where the Dan church started. I have never heard of the gravestone thing when someone leaves.
I think that is not fair to exclude family members who left Amish community when a family member passed . They still love that person just as much as the ones who are still Amish.
I sure wish I had such people in my life.
Remember as a kid the person was always laid out it was called awake for 3 days and they were buried seems like they don't do that so much anymore. They are laid out for one day now
My mother committed suicide 51 years ago today 10/6/1971. She was of a faith called Christidelphian, my brother and I were raised, and baptised in to, the Baptist faith. I like to think my Mother is in Heaven, God knew she was in a lot of physical pain as the result of a car accident long before our parents met. As an adult I understand things that the 5 year old I was could never have grasped.
My mother's faith believed like the Amish, that "The dead know nothing" and sleep until Christ returns.
As children, we used to go to the Mennonite community in Waynesboro, Va. every summer and bought the most amazing cheeses that we brought home and froze. As kids, we were fascinated by the horses and buggies and how friendly and polite everyone was to us.
I agree, need to check in with family weeks after death of lived one. both my children passed as young adults within a couple of months of each other. realized my family wasn't there for me. the community also wasn't. those that pretended to care and show up at memorial never to see or hear from again. that was winter of 2019. I now hold onto you will know them by there fruit and let the dead bury their dead.
This is how my grandma said funerals were performed in the 1910's.
The practice of burying A suicide outside the cemetery fence is a very old practice going back centuries. The belief being a suicide cannot be buried in hallowed ground.
Funeral director once told me the reason they embalm people is to preserve it to last longer for funeral and people can view them. If they don't want embalming they have 72 hours to bury the deceased. Called a natural burial in my state. Embalming is a big no no here. You suppose to go back the way you came as stated in the bible. natural.💖
Great expectations!!
I love your ways...
You must remember this to air is human to forgive is divine
@george shipps The phrase is "To err is human, to forgive divine." Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1711. ☮️
Kind of surprised they embalm bc it’s not mandatory and it’s something more sophisticated that the Amish usually shy away from.
Having a 3 day viewing and funeral with a open coffin would make imbalming necessary. You can't leave a body unrefrigerated for that long without consequences.
We had an Amish community near where we grew up in Sussex, England, though they're called Bruderhof there. Their beliefs maybe the same, but British law is different to US law. Funerals must follow strict regulations and inhumations must be in a cemetary, regardless of the manner of death. While growing up, I remember always feeling sorry for the teenagers who had to leave their community for two years and live as outsiders. There was a documentary about them a few years ago and it opened my eyes to a lot of things. It's a pity that we, on the outside, are left to guess the what why and wherefore of other religious groups. It breeds contention and intollerance. And that causes some groups to close ranks and speak even less to outsiders. So, on that, thanks for sharing your insights. It really is important for sicial acceptance and understanding.
They are not Amish. That is an anabaptist-like group. They don't have the exact same historical roots, but they do share some beliefs.
@@Marius-dk9je Oops, yes, you're right. I meant the other group in Sussex. I've forgotten their name, but I know they identified themselves as Amish. Two of the girls and I went to secondary school together.
I've actually witnessed one church that basically lied. The boy that was deceased was driving a pickup when it flipped. The church said he wasn't driving the truck even though he was belted in the driver's side. They said his best friend that was English was driving. I know they didn't want the young people to know and think driving was ok but I feel like they committed a bigger sin by covering it up. My belief is how will the youth know it's wrong when they act like the person did no wrong. Here in Grabill drinking was a big problem among the youth. I've asked many parents why they allow their kids to go with groups that drink. Their answer was "I drank in my youth so how can I tell them to not drink?" Basically the parents hide their sin from the kids because they don't want to seem like Hippocrates.
What would the Amish people do if a child died and the mother took the body and they couldn't have a funeral because that's what happened to me
Interesting
Ilost my mother July the 9th just a couple months ago, I have a few family members left they never came and I never even got a card nor an explanation so I'm all alone struggling to maintain the house and grieve 😔 I know God is with me I just feel so alone now,
I’m sorry to hear this. We will be praying for you
@@theamishpotato please do honey
Prayers for you. The grief doesn't end with the funeral. I lost my sister in law on September 2nd, her daughter lived with her and took care of her for the past 4 years. I call once a week to check in and let her know she hasn't been forgotten.
As a Confessional Lutheran of Pennsylvania "Fancy" Dutch descent (mother's side of the family were mostly German Lutheran, with some family members in Wesleyan Evangelical Brethren and United Methodist congregations) when it comes to suicide, most of the Churches will treat suicide differently than someone who was just outright murdered at the hands of someone else: in Colonial America, those who died by suicide in the Crown Colonies in which the Church of England was the Established Church followed the "felo de se" laws laid out by the Acts of Parliament in Westminster and would bury people in crossroads in the middle of the night and without any services; New England Separatists/Congregationalists likewise did the same (things varied in the Proprietary Colonies although Maryland, originally a Catholic colony before the Calvert Family converted to the Church of England would follow Roman Catholic Canon Law in regards to suicide, however once Maryland came under the Church of England, the British laws in regards to suicide was followed). During the lockdowns in 2020, one of my Facebook friends, a pastor in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS) lost his only child to suicide, and normally, the LCMS will have an actual funeral in the congregation, with appropriate prayers for those who died by suicide be recited. However due to the restrictions, the pastor's son was entombed (as most of the NOLA is on swampland which at spots, is below sea level) in a graveside service similar to that found in the 1662 English Book of Common Prayer, with a memorial service later held at his congregation in suburban NOLA after most of the restrictions were lifted.
The grave inside the fence with a fence around it I think is UA-camR ELI YODERS dad