When FFG transferred the games to AMG it was quickly apparent that it was a bad move for the games, the staff working on them and for the fans....... with AMG eventually then dropping Armada & X-wing we were fully betrayed 😞
Armada had room to grow. Cannon wise the Resistance and First Order were still worth giving a release. Variant models could of been pressed for existing ships to stimulate sales, like the Chimera. Plus ships like the Lucrehulk were tragically overlooked. Dreadnaughts which have Imperial, Rebel, Republic variants were untapped. The cannon has enough material to provide resources for a Crime Syndicate faction which could of been built around ship synergies and fighters. Without going into legends territory they had enough to work with. If they were allowed to go into Legends the potential grows exponentially.
Dreadnought is lazy for armada, unnecessary and potentially game breaking see MSU. The sequels don't really need a release because The 1st order basically just had better versions of all the imperial stuff. The resistance is basically every ship in star wars.
It’s a shame that armada and x wing have been stoped in production (if I’m correct) because if there is any new people wanting to get into them (myself to armada) but hopefully someone decides to bring them back and continue them in the future. Have a wonderful new year🎉
very unlikely, a game like these dying and then a studio bringing it back has pretty much never happened. Its also speculated that x-wing 2e was bad financially because they basically gave everyone everything in the conversion kits. They also cited that the prepainted preassembled part was hurting them, and it was tbf. The detail on these minis for just $20 each is an absurdly good deal compared to legion where you're painting and assembling the minis your self. They also say made in china on the box, and with a certain president elect in the US, its likely that if they didnt stop production, product would become very expensive
I respect your honoring the trust these companies put in you and am happy you shared as much as you could. I would have loved to see how FFG would have made Legion grow with rules. I feel like atomic didn't make the best choices for changes in the 2.6 rules update.
There is a silver lining to this now that AMG has shutdown xwing and armada. It opens them up to user created content from the OG star wars or legends. There were alot more ships not released from the Xwing and tie fighter video series.
Armada had room to grow, there was plenty of ship types, a few factions they could of done but sadly from the start demand was underestimated and stock levels were never great which affected players getting into it.
Hi Crabbok, as a fellow wargaming and miniatures fan, would love to see you review or take a look at Battletech. The latest miniatures have been fantastic and their alpha strike box set is the best value in wargaming
Doubtful. AMG have a different design philosophy to their games anyway. I hate what they've done to each of them as they touched it so I'm glad they have not. Just wished they let another wave of ships for clone wars factions turn up in armada!
Where's Cara Dune in Legion and Shatterpoint? (almost)Every box in shatterpoint has 4 characters except for the one with Mando/ IG-11/ Karga. They even had a theme of releases at the same time so seems like lost expansions to me.
That one is actually surprising to me. I can understand that she was fired, but to actually erase the "Character" from the Star Wars Universe - it's just bizarre. She was the type of character that would have been perfect for gaming. Leaving her out of these games is really weird decision!
@@ironjoebob7 I agree.. its dumb because they don't have to make the model look like her, or they could even make it purposely "Blursed" to make fun of her.
I thought Armada would have come out with sequel trilogy content within a couple of years of clone wars being released. I think there could have been room for much more with that and then opening up to pirates/mercenaries with some of the content from the newer shows, etc. What I would have always dreamed of seeing though was old republic content. Give me Darth Revan commanding the Leviathan and I’d lose my mind! That would have been amazing!
What AMG taught me is that I'm done purchasing games with a built in expansion/booster component. AMG very nearly destroyed my enjoyment of Armada by their lies and mishandling. I don't care if they come out with more rapid reinforcements, they've lost my trust and my business going foreward. That said; I'm hanging up my Armada hat. I'll continue to print models because I like the lore but I'm done with the game. It's dead, even though some people are trying valiantly to keep the corpse on life support. Thanks, Crabbok, I've enjoyed your channel for a while now, but I'm unsubbing as my interests are taking a different path. Good luck to all out there in the SW game space.
I didn’t let go past first edition x wing so that was done for me a bit back. Armada would have been done well with some more clone wars stuff so that’s sad and I was never going to touch legion once I saw how amg was dealing with x wing and armada. In all this is a cautionary tale and a real sadness as x wing was huge at one time, and armada was so nice. Hope we see their like again one day. As is we still have Star Trek attack wing which the paint and game play has only been improving with the switch to faction packs. We also need to see how they flesh out and change up into the unknown to see if they pivot it to be more armada like for certain game modes, only time will tell.
With AMG dropping all of these lines it makes me wonder if they are keeping just the 3 they have or if they are making another game. My guess is that the focus is just on those 3 but who knows
I believe they apply forever until specifically rescinded. However it's still largely a responsible thing to adhere to them even after time has passed, especially if you would like to playtest again in the future.
When FFG transferred the games to AMG it was quickly apparent that it was a bad move for the games, the staff working on them and for the fans....... with AMG eventually then dropping Armada & X-wing we were fully betrayed 😞
Armada had room to grow. Cannon wise the Resistance and First Order were still worth giving a release. Variant models could of been pressed for existing ships to stimulate sales, like the Chimera. Plus ships like the Lucrehulk were tragically overlooked. Dreadnaughts which have Imperial, Rebel, Republic variants were untapped. The cannon has enough material to provide resources for a Crime Syndicate faction which could of been built around ship synergies and fighters. Without going into legends territory they had enough to work with. If they were allowed to go into Legends the potential grows exponentially.
I am so tired of the dreadnaught. It’s the most lazily designed ship and should be forgotten.
Dreadnought is lazy for armada, unnecessary and potentially game breaking see MSU.
The sequels don't really need a release because
The 1st order basically just had better versions of all the imperial stuff.
The resistance is basically every ship in star wars.
Need more Imperial Assault!!!!
It’s a shame that armada and x wing have been stoped in production (if I’m correct) because if there is any new people wanting to get into them (myself to armada) but hopefully someone decides to bring them back and continue them in the future. Have a wonderful new year🎉
very unlikely, a game like these dying and then a studio bringing it back has pretty much never happened. Its also speculated that x-wing 2e was bad financially because they basically gave everyone everything in the conversion kits.
They also cited that the prepainted preassembled part was hurting them, and it was tbf. The detail on these minis for just $20 each is an absurdly good deal compared to legion where you're painting and assembling the minis your self. They also say made in china on the box, and with a certain president elect in the US, its likely that if they didnt stop production, product would become very expensive
If only the Alpha-class and TIE Aggressor would be released, I would be completely happy.
I respect your honoring the trust these companies put in you and am happy you shared as much as you could. I would have loved to see how FFG would have made Legion grow with rules. I feel like atomic didn't make the best choices for changes in the 2.6 rules update.
"We have to go Back!"
Thanks for the updates. Always enjoy your content.
I WANT ARMADA!
ME TOO
There is a silver lining to this now that AMG has shutdown xwing and armada. It opens them up to user created content from the OG star wars or legends. There were alot more ships not released from the Xwing and tie fighter video series.
Nice overview Crabbok - we did get a lot - it’s just us gamers and us loving the games always want us to have MORE 😂
Armada had room to grow, there was plenty of ship types, a few factions they could of done but sadly from the start demand was underestimated and stock levels were never great which affected players getting into it.
Hi Crabbok, as a fellow wargaming and miniatures fan, would love to see you review or take a look at Battletech. The latest miniatures have been fantastic and their alpha strike box set is the best value in wargaming
Doubtful. AMG have a different design philosophy to their games anyway. I hate what they've done to each of them as they touched it so I'm glad they have not. Just wished they let another wave of ships for clone wars factions turn up in armada!
This is so true. 12:52 trust is so important.
Where's Cara Dune in Legion and Shatterpoint? (almost)Every box in shatterpoint has 4 characters except for the one with Mando/ IG-11/ Karga. They even had a theme of releases at the same time so seems like lost expansions to me.
We all know why. The actress committed Hollywood suicide and Disney dropped her faster than a hot potato.
Probably had something to do with her getting fired
That one is actually surprising to me. I can understand that she was fired, but to actually erase the "Character" from the Star Wars Universe - it's just bizarre. She was the type of character that would have been perfect for gaming. Leaving her out of these games is really weird decision!
@@Crabbok Disney absolutely put their foot down and had a hard no cara dune in anything stance
@@ironjoebob7 I agree.. its dumb because they don't have to make the model look like her, or they could even make it purposely "Blursed" to make fun of her.
I thought Armada would have come out with sequel trilogy content within a couple of years of clone wars being released. I think there could have been room for much more with that and then opening up to pirates/mercenaries with some of the content from the newer shows, etc.
What I would have always dreamed of seeing though was old republic content. Give me Darth Revan commanding the Leviathan and I’d lose my mind! That would have been amazing!
Im hopeful they treat legion right!
I would have liked more for armada, x-wing for enough, and legion continues so hopefully it will a bunch of different units before it is retired
What AMG taught me is that I'm done purchasing games with a built in expansion/booster component. AMG very nearly destroyed my enjoyment of Armada by their lies and mishandling. I don't care if they come out with more rapid reinforcements, they've lost my trust and my business going foreward.
That said; I'm hanging up my Armada hat. I'll continue to print models because I like the lore but I'm done with the game. It's dead, even though some people are trying valiantly to keep the corpse on life support.
Thanks, Crabbok, I've enjoyed your channel for a while now, but I'm unsubbing as my interests are taking a different path. Good luck to all out there in the SW game space.
I didn’t let go past first edition x wing so that was done for me a bit back. Armada would have been done well with some more clone wars stuff so that’s sad and I was never going to touch legion once I saw how amg was dealing with x wing and armada.
In all this is a cautionary tale and a real sadness as x wing was huge at one time, and armada was so nice. Hope we see their like again one day.
As is we still have Star Trek attack wing which the paint and game play has only been improving with the switch to faction packs. We also need to see how they flesh out and change up into the unknown to see if they pivot it to be more armada like for certain game modes, only time will tell.
Great topic!
Sad that we can only reminisce on that excitement of new Armada and X Wing and imperial assault announcements. Wish they would fire em up again
Sadly not. As much as we would love it. Would love to see this ethereal updates AMG had talked about last year…..
With AMG dropping all of these lines it makes me wonder if they are keeping just the 3 they have or if they are making another game. My guess is that the focus is just on those 3 but who knows
What is the point of a video where you wont mention anything substantive?
Would love to know what was planed for Imperial Assault.................................
Happy new year everyone
Wonder how many points the Lucrehulk would have been.
Horrible AMG...had such promise. Armada was and is very popular. Legion, seems like a warhammer clone.
AMG was given games they didn't even like and it was a complete waste.
They've also changed Legion so much, I really hate their news rules changes.
Do NDAs still apply for cancelled games? I guess so.
I believe they apply forever until specifically rescinded. However it's still largely a responsible thing to adhere to them even after time has passed, especially if you would like to playtest again in the future.
FF is just terrible at business management. They are good developers of amazing games. Custom Etsy ships and home made expansions are the way forward.
First one
Really disappointed in this video. Clickbait title with not much useful information.