The driving sequences in Ronin were absolutely extraordinary, for its time or any other. Has the chase scene in Paris been surpassed, or even equalled, with real cars and real drivers since? As far as I can tell there is only one real digital imposition in the scene, at the very end of the chase when Natascha McElhone, and Jonathan Pryce's car is sent spinning off the end of a bridge and you see them through the front windscreen as they go over the edge. Monsieur Lagniez, 'Bravo!'
@@ParsianTVBourne was entertaining, but the car chase scenes were chaotic, disjointed, and incongruous. It felt like a mashup of random scenes, instead of a linear and continuous sequence.
My favorite movie from the 1sr time I saw it. I will watch anything with DeNiro. His relationship with Jean Reno in RONIN was extraordinarily written and played. Just overall one of the best movies ever made. To bad John Frankenheimer died of a stroke in 2002. What a shame he didn't live to do more great work.
Everyone's talking about the car chases, but I just really like how the movie takes place in several different cities in france, and how well it's paced when they prepare for the job and scout the places, and when they're left out on their own after gregor switches the briefcase and have to start the search again
I agree, this has some great on-location shooting. The excellent pacing really allows viewers to absorb the compelling character dynamics. I love this movie.
What I like about these car chased is that they are REAL,no CGI,no Hollywood ,they are true to life and carried out by professional drivers-this is how a car could/would happen when professional villains are doing everything they can to escape with no regard for whoever's around them
Frankenheimer allowed Skip Sudduth, one of the actors (Larry) to do the actual high-speed driving. However, he gave him one directive. He didn't want to see any brake lights.
Was lucky enough to see this movie in the big screen. And it was like "let's just go for this one, the rest kind of sucks" - never would imagine the masterpiece I was about to see
This dude was probably responsible for the "Taxi" franchise aswell, because Samy Naceri's stunt double was none other that Jean-Louis Schlesser, an actual WRC and Dakar champ of 1998 and 1999
Ronin has been one of my top 5 movies since the day it came out. Still the best car chase movie ever. Got to meet Frankehimer about 30 - 35 years ago. True car guy.
This is an incredible car chase and you'll laugh at the foreshadow when there is a close-up of fish at the outdoor farm market. There should be a movie about farm market workers all interacting before a car and motorcycle chase crashes through it.
I completely disagree about his statement about American car chases being better because their movies have more budget. None of the car chases in Hollywood movies look as realistic as the ones shot in France such as Ronin, Transporter, Taxi etc.
Agree. Car chases in us movies is based on show off but actually bad driving with losing time oversteering at each corner , rarely takes the racing lines etc. On this one, the driving is efficiency based with minimal oversteer and better use faster lines round the corners etc.
Hate to tell you but Frankenheimer is an American director, working with an American budget for an American film production company. As were the other movies you cite. The driver was talking about European made films which have a fraction of the budget that some US films get and so simply cannot afford 50 speciality cars and 100 drivers, nor to shut down large stretches of cities for weeks of production. The chases and other action sequences in the Borne films were, again, American productions, regardless of location. The problem with shooting elaborate car chases in the US is that most of the cities are simply not photogenic. Bullet was staged in San Francisco as one of the few cities that might make for a good street chase. New York can stage decent car chases although at great expense. But Los Angeles? Albuquerque? Houston? They are simply dull looking on camera. Again, he was NOT referring to car chases shot IN America. He was talking American productions as opposed to European funded films.
Yeah, I don't know how you completely missed the point of what he was saying. All the movies you mentioned are American movies. They're just filmed in different locations. So the budget is still very high and the car chase scenes were very well done.
This is the best car chase in cinema, but that same year a French movie called Taxi was released that has some good chase scenes between Germans in Mercedes and French people in Peugeots.
And even when it isn’t CGI these days, the colour correction and post processing is usually overdone to fuck Ronin took a very naturalistic approach to visual presentation and aesthetics in general, something I wish more big budget movies would experiment with these days
I own and have seen this film over 20x. It's so bad I can recite a good bit of the lines. Furthermore, watching this film is the main reason why I want an E34. I would also have to agree with the stunt driver coordinator on his remarks. American car chase scenes just seems too forced and many do not exhibit the technical skill to the level of the car chase scenes in Ronin. The S8 at the beginning and while dodging the Citroën was extremely technical and you knew it was a professional handling both vehicles in that frame. The way both were just in and out of traffic and from a cinematic perspective, it was shot perfectly. It was literally a car chase. The E34 535i vs the Peugeot was just perfection. The 535i was just dancing on the streets in Paris and you can feel the intensity. To date, that will be the best car chase and I do not think any film featuring a car chase can live up to the standards of this one. I can just watch this scene over and over again. It was like listening to Paganini's Violin Concerto No1 I D. Totally sublime of a scene.
RONIN's several car chase are easily the BEST ever filmed... but BULLITT's are still fifty years later the most ICONIC! That may sound like a direct contradiction, but the difference is RONIN's chases through the dense streets of Paris and the French countryside are full of different pieces of action. They are more complex and better choreographed with a lot more editing of various angles. With BULLITT, they have that green VW Bug that passes four times and all those hubcaps coming off the Dodge Charger, still it wins an Oscar for best editing... But BULLITT is not just ICONIC because of Steve McQueen, but the very Ford Mustang he drives. The car is every bit a legend as he is. BULLITT kicked-off a whole new sub-genre of car chase movies that continues to this day, only chases now are more about CGI animation, fast dizzying cuts and impossible comic book stunts. RONIN is a great thriller with a superb cast, well written and directed, but it failed at the box-office, probably because of the drab title and bad marketing by MGM. The thirty year difference between the two movies, still sees BULLITT as being the most talked about, bisected and revered despite all the competition, and really the movie that inspired the team behind RONIN!
1 actor(a less well known one) did at least some of his own stunt driving, because he was an amateur race driver. The rest were in the cars much of the time, but not driving.
The sequence will forever be in the textbooks of filming car chases. It was made not with making profit in mind. It was made with passion. Modern movies producers just no longer have the passion of creating something worth watching. Instead they created Rey skywalker and batwoman LOL
I disagree with him on the part that US chase scenes are better. I feel like european chase sequeces feel way more realistic and atmospheric compered to those in the US.
Agree. US car chase is based on show-off , actually using bad and in effective driving while euro car chase ( this one included) are based on efffective driving , use of fastest lines, minimal under/oversteer etc.
Deniro couldn’t drive, because. He would have been wincing every time there was a loud sound, or a flash, the same way he winces every time he shoots a firearm 😂😂😂Every.Single.Time.
when it comes tor chase movies there have been many from bullit bourne ronin but what about gumball rally smokey and the bandit man with the golden gun and lets not forget the blues brothers but the best the italian job (your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off)
The Americains are not able to do such movies! All they do actually is, often cheap, remakes of older movies! Nothing new in their todays movie making anymore, no imagination!
@@jameshoran8 That's a myth, which presumably started from the similar appearance and happening within a short time of each other: 'One spectacular pursuit takes place inside a Paris tunnel that is remarkably similar to the location where England's Princess Diana was killed in a 1997 automobile accident. The filming took place in a different tunnel, however. "Paris has lots of tunnels, " Frankenheimer said. "That's part of the thing about the city I wanted people to see. A crash in a tunnel in Paris is about like someone having a crash on a freeway here. It happens all the time' (Rocky Mountain News,9/27/98). As @11:12 that was shot in the Les Halles tunnel network, princess Diana's crash was in the Pont de l'Alma underpass - it's only 150m long and perfectly straight (but with a bend in the road just prior) The Les Halles network is a kind of loop, and all parts combined make 4km in total, which I guess made it ideal for shutting down & filming. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/2012-07-16_Paris_plan_de_restructuration_de_la_voirie_souterraine_des_Halles.jpg The Champerret Tunnel is also mentioned as filming location, presumably for a different scene(possibly a non-driving scene) I'd imagine many of the tunnels look similar, as it would make sense to repeat the same structure type. Aside from being in poor taste, I couldn't imagine any film company would want to risk the public backlash of filming a car chase in the same tunnel anyway, presumably nor would they be likely to get approval.
That car chase alone, is better than the entire fast & furious franchise.
Absolutely. (... even the Nice-part already, tbh ...)
And it isn't even the best part of Ronin.
Totally agree!!!!!
Only because it’s really done
Well said!!!
Best car chase movie ever made. God know's what driving that S8 sitting above the rear bumper must have felt like though..!
That's why the Audi has been in the transporter twice such an amazing car ❤
Legendary chases and stunt's work from an unforgettable masterpiece.
Miss the late 90s, grew up with these flicks.
The driving sequences in Ronin were absolutely extraordinary, for its time or any other. Has the chase scene in Paris been surpassed, or even equalled, with real cars and real drivers since? As far as I can tell there is only one real digital imposition in the scene, at the very end of the chase when Natascha McElhone, and Jonathan Pryce's car is sent spinning off the end of a bridge and you see them through the front windscreen as they go over the edge.
Monsieur Lagniez, 'Bravo!'
I think a few car interior shots might be
nothing to the same extent but Bourne series came close.
I doubt that those scenes will it will be equaled soon....
@@ParsianTVBourne was entertaining, but the car chase scenes were chaotic, disjointed, and incongruous. It felt like a mashup of random scenes, instead of a linear and continuous sequence.
My favorite movie from the 1sr time I saw it. I will watch anything with DeNiro. His relationship with Jean Reno in RONIN was extraordinarily written and played. Just overall one of the best movies ever made. To bad John Frankenheimer died of a stroke in 2002. What a shame he didn't live to do more great work.
the stunt work and capturing are kino tier. CG has nothing on this. This is heart and soul.
Everyone's talking about the car chases, but I just really like how the movie takes place in several different cities in france, and how well it's paced when they prepare for the job and scout the places, and when they're left out on their own after gregor switches the briefcase and have to start the search again
I agree, this has some great on-location shooting. The excellent pacing really allows viewers to absorb the compelling character dynamics. I love this movie.
They *REALLY* did not fuck around at ALL with this scene in this movie. Best chase *EVER*
this was the last real car chase movie we ever saw, I remember watching it many times when I was a kid, GOD I loved it so much
The best car chase in cinema history
I bought the DVD I love it I watched it a dozen times Robert Deniro amazing.
Master piece. Never to see this level of cinema with such cool cars again.
What I like about these car chased is that they are REAL,no CGI,no Hollywood ,they are true to life and carried out by professional drivers-this is how a car could/would happen when professional villains are doing everything they can to escape with no regard for whoever's around them
That sudden reverse gear+hand brake was damn man. Great car chase scene ever
Ronin was an under rated masterpiece.
Porsche as a camera car is brilliant!
Mayor - you have free hands, M'sieu. The great city of Paris is at your disposal.
Lagniez - Oh... really?
Frankenheimer allowed Skip Sudduth, one of the actors (Larry) to do the actual high-speed driving. However, he gave him one directive. He didn't want to see any brake lights.
He was apparently an amateur race driver.
And there will NEVER be a movie made like this again. Incredible.
Was lucky enough to see this movie in the big screen. And it was like "let's just go for this one, the rest kind of sucks" - never would imagine the masterpiece I was about to see
Words cannot express how much I love this movie
This dude was probably responsible for the "Taxi" franchise aswell, because Samy Naceri's stunt double was none other that Jean-Louis Schlesser, an actual WRC and Dakar champ of 1998 and 1999
The 406 handles like magic.
Yeah, but nowhere near as well as the 5 series.
I love that the behind the scenes is "yeah so basically we just did it"
Because they did! There's no trickery, or shortcuts. They just did the dang thing, and filmed it.
NOTHING BEATS THIS CAR CHASE!!! i was a teenager and never felt better 😂 amazing car chase 🙌 back when it was absolute best
Ronin has been one of my top 5 movies since the day it came out. Still the best car chase movie ever. Got to meet Frankehimer about 30 - 35 years ago. True car guy.
1998 and got this and taxi, both featuring the Peugeot 406
We can see the child inside him the way he talks and smile that s why his stunts have been so succesfull
Incredible video! Thank you for sharing. Ronin footage is getting increasingly difficult to find, but this is absolute gold. 🙌
Amazing chase and a great movie!
Excellent video thanks for posting.
the best crime thriller ever filmed
Oh wow. A channel i didn't know i needed 😁🤗🥰
Outstanding!
Mercedes W115 in the brown color is so beautiful..Many years ago ive got W123/84Sedan in the same dark brown metallic..
w116
Years ago i had the exact sama Audi S8.. in green, with beige interior and a manual 6-speed gearbox
Its a W116 6.9, my dreamcar
This is an incredible car chase and you'll laugh at the foreshadow when there is a close-up of fish at the outdoor farm market. There should be a movie about farm market workers all interacting before a car and motorcycle chase crashes through it.
Never has a title on UA-cam video been more correct.
And yes, it is miles better than Bullitt's. That only gets attention because of Steve McQueen.
Awesome behind the scenes.
Maravilhoso!! Parabéns pelo magnífico filme!
Sympa le capot de Z3 en arrière plan 👌
Et la M5 e34 😍👌
I completely disagree about his statement about American car chases being better because their movies have more budget. None of the car chases in Hollywood movies look as realistic as the ones shot in France such as Ronin, Transporter, Taxi etc.
Agree. Car chases in us movies is based on show off but actually bad driving with losing time oversteering at each corner , rarely takes the racing lines etc. On this one, the driving is efficiency based with minimal oversteer and better use faster lines round the corners etc.
@@ssssssss6889 Agreed, it's total precision.
Hate to tell you but Frankenheimer is an American director, working with an American budget for an American film production company. As were the other movies you cite. The driver was talking about European made films which have a fraction of the budget that some US films get and so simply cannot afford 50 speciality cars and 100 drivers, nor to shut down large stretches of cities for weeks of production. The chases and other action sequences in the Borne films were, again, American productions, regardless of location.
The problem with shooting elaborate car chases in the US is that most of the cities are simply not photogenic. Bullet was staged in San Francisco as one of the few cities that might make for a good street chase. New York can stage decent car chases although at great expense. But Los Angeles? Albuquerque? Houston? They are simply dull looking on camera.
Again, he was NOT referring to car chases shot IN America. He was talking American productions as opposed to European funded films.
Yeah, I don't know how you completely missed the point of what he was saying. All the movies you mentioned are American movies. They're just filmed in different locations. So the budget is still very high and the car chase scenes were very well done.
@@christopherpardell4418 Exactly. Your comment deserves twice as many likes as the original.
This is the best car chase in cinema, but that same year a French movie called Taxi was released that has some good chase scenes between Germans in Mercedes and French people in Peugeots.
The best car chases are made by french in my opinion.
I think you meant the best car chases are made IN France.
The cherry in this car chase is De Niro's body language and facial expression.
Truly epic chase!
"Short Time." is the greatest movie car chase... then Gran Prix and then this.....
Legend film 🎥
they don't make movies like this anymore! all is Computer-generated BS! beautiful movie and you can tell how much effort was put into it.
And even when it isn’t CGI these days, the colour correction and post processing is usually overdone to fuck
Ronin took a very naturalistic approach to visual presentation and aesthetics in general, something I wish more big budget movies would experiment with these days
Very impressive 👍.
Fantastique.
time for another rewatch of RONIN :D
The 7 Ups had the greatest car chase.
Not a great movie though. Just because you produce The French Connection, it doesn't follow you can direct like Friedkin.
The producers spent all their money on car chases and there was none left for a script 😅
what a great upload! thx!
I own and have seen this film over 20x. It's so bad I can recite a good bit of the lines. Furthermore, watching this film is the main reason why I want an E34. I would also have to agree with the stunt driver coordinator on his remarks. American car chase scenes just seems too forced and many do not exhibit the technical skill to the level of the car chase scenes in Ronin. The S8 at the beginning and while dodging the Citroën was extremely technical and you knew it was a professional handling both vehicles in that frame. The way both were just in and out of traffic and from a cinematic perspective, it was shot perfectly. It was literally a car chase. The E34 535i vs the Peugeot was just perfection. The 535i was just dancing on the streets in Paris and you can feel the intensity. To date, that will be the best car chase and I do not think any film featuring a car chase can live up to the standards of this one. I can just watch this scene over and over again. It was like listening to Paganini's Violin Concerto No1 I D.
Totally sublime of a scene.
This is excellent.
I was so inspired by the chase scene I made a music video for that.
Thank you
Thank you ,Paris Chief of Police ,if dont let them do it ,we will never seen the best Car Chase scene of all time
Le top merci ! / the best tanks
RONIN's several car chase are easily the BEST ever filmed... but BULLITT's are still fifty years later the most ICONIC!
That may sound like a direct contradiction, but the difference is RONIN's chases through the dense streets of Paris and the French countryside are full of different pieces of action. They are more complex and better choreographed with a lot more editing of various angles.
With BULLITT, they have that green VW Bug that passes four times and all those hubcaps coming off the Dodge Charger, still it wins an Oscar for best editing... But BULLITT is not just ICONIC because of Steve McQueen, but the very Ford Mustang he drives. The car is every bit a legend as he is.
BULLITT kicked-off a whole new sub-genre of car chase movies that continues to this day, only chases now are more about CGI animation, fast dizzying cuts and impossible comic book stunts.
RONIN is a great thriller with a superb cast, well written and directed, but it failed at the box-office, probably because of the drab title and bad marketing by MGM.
The thirty year difference between the two movies, still sees BULLITT as being the most talked about, bisected and revered despite all the competition, and really the movie that inspired the team behind RONIN!
Greatest car chase ever filmed. And now due to cgi it will never be topped. Ever.
they used a 911 rebuilt to carry filming equipment to make all those shots happen 👏👏👏
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some say the actors did their own driving some say they didn't I don't know what to believe
1 actor(a less well known one) did at least some of his own stunt driving, because he was an amateur race driver. The rest were in the cars much of the time, but not driving.
Vive la France!!!
The Matrix’s car chases must not be forgotten,filmed in Sydney.
Where can you get those yelloe cigarettes!
Great chase scenes but the Peugeot bmw chase ended a bit anticlimactic, the close shot of the car lifting looked a bit lazy.
The sequence will forever be in the textbooks of filming car chases. It was made not with making profit in mind. It was made with passion.
Modern movies producers just no longer have the passion of creating something worth watching. Instead they created Rey skywalker and batwoman LOL
At least we have the English subtitles on and I think we need to look for the English actors voice to go on top of this mans speech
No, we can read.
I disagree with him on the part that US chase scenes are better. I feel like european chase sequeces feel way more realistic and atmospheric compered to those in the US.
Agree. US car chase is based on show-off , actually using bad and in effective driving while euro car chase ( this one included) are based on efffective driving , use of fastest lines, minimal under/oversteer etc.
it could never be filmed in the 'safe ' America
But he saids the opposite, more easy in USA...
The only cool thing The French helped us with
Threre are no car chases better than Ronin
Deniro couldn’t drive, because. He would have been wincing every time there was a loud sound, or a flash, the same way he winces every time he shoots a firearm 😂😂😂Every.Single.Time.
I agree this is a great car chase, but have any of you folks seen "Bullitt?" Or "The Bourne Supremacy?"
Have many people really drive original mini's at Paris?
when it comes tor chase movies there have been many from bullit bourne ronin but what about gumball rally smokey and the bandit man with the golden gun and lets not forget the blues brothers but the best the italian job (your only supposed to blow the bloody doors off)
@@DoubleMonoLR I wouldn't argue, but the car chases are pretty amazing.
f.a.s.t.
LMFAO you said this was the greatest car chase. No son, no it's not.
The Americains are not able to do such movies! All they do actually is, often cheap, remakes of older movies! Nothing new in their todays movie making anymore, no imagination!
They shoulda put Lady Dianas crash, in this car chase
This is sick.
@@user-bj2lu9qt3o yes, but in a bad way.
@@martian9999 absolutely.
They actually use the tunnel in which her car crashed. Her accident was actually before the filming of this movie
@@jameshoran8 That's a myth, which presumably started from the similar appearance and happening within a short time of each other:
'One spectacular pursuit takes place inside a Paris tunnel that is remarkably similar to the location where England's Princess Diana was killed in a 1997 automobile accident. The filming took place in a different tunnel, however. "Paris has lots of tunnels, " Frankenheimer said. "That's part of the thing about the city I wanted people to see. A crash in a tunnel in Paris is about like someone having a crash on a freeway here. It happens all the time' (Rocky Mountain News,9/27/98).
As @11:12 that was shot in the Les Halles tunnel network, princess Diana's crash was in the Pont de l'Alma underpass - it's only 150m long and perfectly straight (but with a bend in the road just prior)
The Les Halles network is a kind of loop, and all parts combined make 4km in total, which I guess made it ideal for shutting down & filming.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/2012-07-16_Paris_plan_de_restructuration_de_la_voirie_souterraine_des_Halles.jpg
The Champerret Tunnel is also mentioned as filming location, presumably for a different scene(possibly a non-driving scene)
I'd imagine many of the tunnels look similar, as it would make sense to repeat the same structure type.
Aside from being in poor taste, I couldn't imagine any film company would want to risk the public backlash of filming a car chase in the same tunnel anyway, presumably nor would they be likely to get approval.
Not even close
"Behind the scenes of the worlds greatest movie car chase"....!!???.....What a joke!!!Get a Life!!!
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what's your beef? Got something better to offer?
@@martian9999 he's gonna say something like *fast and furious*
Whats your point?. Its a great chase and Frankenheimer is a professional