Thanks for the suggestion! A stickhandling video is definitely on my list as well as the best situation to do so. But clearly, scooping the puck up on my blade will not be included in said video...
Tip 3 is really gonna help me. Once in a game, it was a 1-1 tie against the best team in our division. I made a save and the puck went into the corner. Then, their guy passed it to the slot, and another guy took a one timer, and it went right through my 6-hole. Now I know that if I use tip 3, those pucks won’t get past me. Thanks Man!
The width of your butterfly should vary depending on your depth relative to the net; if you've telescoped out then your butterfly doesn't need to be as wide in order to take away the bottom of the net. Having a wider butterfly than necessary can result in pucks that would have otherwise missed being kicked out for an easy rebound. To work on your butterfly slides, focus on getting the knee of your drive leg up (your drive leg is the one you are pushing with). Raising your knee up towards your chest when you're down in the butterfly is what re-engages your blade against the ice, allowing you to push laterally. Additionally, placing the foot of your drive leg in front of your landed knee (the one still on the ice) will push you backwards as well as sideways; placing your foot of your drive leg behind your landed knee will push you forwards and sideways. The former can be used to slide back to your post without rotating your entire body beforehand, and the latter can be used if you need to cut down the angle on a shot but don't have time to regain your feet.
Great points! Thanks for sharing! I touch on a lot of these points in my Butterfly Push video but it's great that you mention them here in the comments. It's funny to think that from a non-goalie perspective, "butterfly" seems relatively simple, but when you dig down deep into the nuances, it's really anything but. Thanks for your comment!
Thanks for the kind words! Maybe stand up will make a comeback when the NHL bans goalies from dropping to their knees in an effort to increase scoring... well, maybe not!
I’m a goalie just getting back into the game, away for a long time. Your channel has been great at bringing me back up to speed what’s changed while I’ve been away. I was never a strong butterfly goalie, and now pads are built for it (as I found buying mine) so this video is great!
VOGoalie no problem my man. I’ve been watching your videos for years. I’ll keep watching them for many more. Just remember me when you get famous ;). And, you are totally awesome. If you want any help on any of your videos let me know I’ll do a commentary or whatever ya need. Always happy to help.
this man really needs more “support” he does such a great job probably works for hours on these videos and still has 14k subs!? Come on goalies lift him up a bit he’s a great guy 🎉 he’s very nice and comfortable to watch he makes my day thank you so much for givin me the best of the best tips man!
Hi VOGoalie, I'm from the UK and I have just started playing in goal this year, I still play D but I have been covering for our usual goalie in our last few games. This channel has been a ton of help for me and I recorded my first shutout last night! I'm 28, so proof that you are never too old to try something new!
wicked helpful video !! feels like a personal goalie school. great for dry camp too. I remember watching back in the day the 90s goalie videos and man technology is helpful. this was clear to the point perfect. been playing pipes for 27yrs and it was a hard transition from hasek/hextall style to this kind of style but this has helped alot !!
Good stuff as always. One of the other ways to get better at your butterfly... Go to pickup and practice! Most rinks let goalies play pick up for free. Practice makes perfect and Muscle memory is formed by repetition. Another great point about getting your butt up, I see a lot of beginner goalies really sit down after they start their butterfly.
Thanks for your comment! Great point about muscle memory! The butterfly motion is pretty unconventional from an anatomical standpoint, so your right, repetition helps build up that muscle memory. Thanks for the insight as always!
I started playing goalie last year at 55 years young. Learned to butterfly slide by going down into butterfly facing net and using cross bar to assist with feeling the leg push eventually working to letting go of the crossbar and butterfly sliding.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your tip! The butterfly motion can feel so awkward for new goalies, hearing how others learned the technique is always helpful to someone! Thanks so much for sharing and congrats on joining the club!
Here is a butterfly tip some might not want to hear. lol. You do not always have to go down in the butterfly! Sometimes I see goaltenders going butterfly on everything. Shooters will pick up on that and start timing their shot to go high as you go down in your butterfly. If the skater has a very accurate shot, he will likely score if he has time and space. I think this is especially important if you are a small goaltender since you cover less of the net when you go down in the butterfly. I really like these videos, and I hope this UA-camr continues posting more outstanding content!
Great stuff. A little additional for #1 Driving your knees to the ice. The mechanics are your Hips and Ankles as the pivot points. Start with a Wide stance, then bringing your knees together (hips) rotates the pads down to the ice (ankles), eventually disengaging the blades from the ice. Once you get good at this, you can literally SLAM your 5-hole closed.
Great point! Thanks for your comment! I neglected to mention the hips and ankles. And I had totally planned a "heavy metal powerslide" as a what not to do, then totally forgot to shoot that when filming!
Thanks for posting these awesome videos. I am just getting back into playing goalie. Been over 19 years since I skated last and these tips are greatly appreciated
AH! Here we go just what I was looking for finally I’m half way through and I just realized if I learn to ice skate (I’m a 13yr old) if I play hockey after learning to ice skate I want to play left wing so I’m not sure why I’m here but looks cool
I just realized my pads are a big too small, and my pants are too big. So I can butterfly as good as I can with fitting gear. So this should help for now! Thanks!
Great video. I've been playing for over 30 years, and I still have issues with recovering with my blocker side leg, I just tend to use my glove side leg more. Tips and tricks or even training that people can do to get their body mechanics and repetition of the movement would be a good video to look at doing after a tips for butterfly video. Excellent content as usual VOG!!!
Thanks so much for your comment! No worries, I totally have a favorite recovery leg that's my default when there's no danger! Thanks for the video suggestion too!
Thanks for your comment! While I don't consider myself an official "coach", I'm glad that my content helps goalies out there! And hopefully provides some entertainment along the way!
Ball hockey goalie here - and a butterfly beginner - only put on the pads a couple of years ago in my late 40s...these are great tips - are you somewhere in Canada? :)
Good stuff, as usual. Only suggestion I will make has to do with recovery from the butterfly: rather than use visual acuity to locate the puck by turning your head towards the puck's new location, have your shoulders follow as well. This has the advantage of turning your arms in the right direction and half your body is already turned in the right direction. Then, when you engage the recovery leg, half your body is already pointed in the right direction. You can extend the benefits of upper body rotation by swinging the non-recovery leg as well until that leg's skate makes contact with the recovery leg skate. At that point, you've done almost your entire rotation, and your recovery leg is used to get you up and push you out towards the puck.
Great points! That's always the ideal when it comes to efficiency of movement! Its funny how subtle adjustments and observations in a goalies game can lead to significant positive impact. You always have the best goalie insight! I think the biggest thing is developing discipline when it comes to movement. Often times for me at least, the easiest route is for athleticism (or lack thereof) to kick in and make a diving desperation save. What makes guys like Carey Price so good is how calm they look in those "desperation" moments. As always, thanks so much for you comment and contributing to the conversation!
@@VOGoalie I am looking to buy your pads and that's how I actually found you on UA-cam. My butterfly hasnt been as wide since I pulled a groin a few seasons ago but I was wondering how stiff these pads are or if they require you to have a decently wide butterfly to close the 5 hole? Thanks for your input and if you're ever out in AZ we'd love to have you jump on the ice with us!
great vid, about the hands bro, your hand position is dependant on where the shooter is. If the shooter is in close, your (catcher) hand must be upright and extended towards the puck, or u get beat top shelf. Same with blocker side but its not as easy. If the shot is coming from a 5~ yard distance you should/could drop your gloves towards your pads like you do, unless u can spot the release and make the reaction save. I've gained so much since I implemented these techniques.. Cheers
Awesome! Thanks for the insight! Great points about hand placement! Maybe I'll have to do a follow up on that specifically! As always, thanks for you comments!
Great vid, its really helped me close up my 5 hole, Do you have any tips on specific exercises to help build leg strength to help with pushing off, also im using rbk 5k pads are they going to hinder me in being able to slide, or should i eventually be able to work through it?
Thanks for making these videos, they are awesome! I have only played ice a few times now and I can't do a butterfly. I've only ever played roller hockey and there isn't too much sliding for a goalie. I also wonder if it's my pads, they are 2000-2001 don simmons excalibur pads and i don't think butterfly was a thing then. I do have some warrior g3 pads on order and i'm hoping it makes a difference. Your opinions, insight, techniques, help, is greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much for your comment! Modern day pads will make a difference in your butterfly so the switch to G3s from those Excaliburs will be like night and day (plus the weight savings will be incredible!). There for sure will be an adjustment period, but stick with it and you'll be butterflying in no time!
Just getting back into the net after years of skating up, and utilizing the old stand up style of tending. Needing to learn the butterfly now. My main question is, what are some tips and tricks to save my 51 yr old knees while learning the butterfly? Are there certain equipment set-ups that help save the knees? Thanks.
leaning forward and to either side the shot goes to leads to really good rebound control, worked on that recently really leaning my weight towards the shot side and ofc keeping hands in front of you
Thanks for your comment! You're totally right! Moving towards the shot helps me with my rebound control! Unfortunately, my D waving their sticks at every shot negates that!
I just got back into playing C and RW in team play after a knee dislocation, but I've been really interested in tending the net. I'd love to see some content for the new pad smell goalie - I'm a bit confused on what the butterfly looks like without pads on/if I can do it properly with my current level of flexibility.
My issue was both my hamstrings and adductors were locked up and it took dry needling with Electro stimulation to unlock them. Could butterfly just fine without even stretching it was amazing. I was an idiot and force myself into a wall sit stretch that was too wide.
stretching is key! If you're stiff/locked up nothing will work as it should.. Just like you say, always play better after recent chiropractice, when everything is aligned and moving the way it should, without some parts of my body obstructing movement. It's a game changer, especially in Beer-league
@@KB9813 can you pls help me...I cant do wide butterfly and when i try it hurts my glute like I am getting a cramp.even when I try side lifting my leg up i get cramp in glute(standing on both feet and just rising your leg up sideways)
@@I_TalkSick I'm not a medical professional so I have no idea. But, glutes are mainly a stabilizing muscle and it's advisable to try and maybe stretch them to help with rotation. It could be hip impingement (ua-cam.com/video/agmYorhOxmc/v-deo.html | ua-cam.com/video/Pd_bJMOM0I0/v-deo.html). I would figure it would be either your abductors or adductors. Your adductors are completely abused by goalie stance and the inward movement of c-cuts, abductors outward movement of c-cuts. See a physiotherapist and maybe ask for dry needling with estimulation. Might not work for you, but since I had a muscle injury it worked for me.
Hey Vlad, thanks for your question. Powerslide is right, I wear a Protechsport mask. Specifically a Luongo mold. I actually have an extended chin but the cage window is large so it looks like a short chin (I used to wear a Mage RS, now that was a short chin!). If you're looking for a Protechsport, plan early as the lead time can often be lengthy as they are all made to order, but Michel is fantastic to work with in making your mask!
Awesome stuff as always! It'll be a year at least before my slides look that smooth!! :p I'm thinking of modding the lower arms on my brand new Vapor 1x chesty cuz another puck found the same hole on the glove side yesterday as did one a couple weeks ago between the blocker and arm pads. Thems HURT! But I've already got the mod in mind. Let ya know how it goes!
Awesome! And don't worry, it took me a little while to get my slides down! If you all only saw me back in HS! Maybe I'll have to do "VOGoalie Views" series and watch an old game... And GL with your arm mod! Sounds great!
Just work on your positioning. If you keep your legs sealed and together, also put your weight on your knees like the video states, you should be fine. It’s mostly about positioning and weight transfer. By the way, always keep your stick extended and in the way of your five hole. Hope this helps!
This seemed to be basic knowledge for me. It’s hard to remember the basics when you’ve learned them 1000 years ago. This will really help me explain what I’m doing… thanks man it’s hard to remember the absolute basics again after it’s muscle memory
Thank you for this! I’m a field hockey goalie transitioning to ice. We don’t really use butterfly in field hockey (it’s too hard to get up from dirt) and we can’t catch the ball plus we have a smaller stick and wider goal. It can be really hard! We kick the ball away or smack it with a hand blocker (on the glove hand). So I’m excited at the prospect of using the butterfly, having an actual glove to catch, and a smaller goal. I guess it’s about perspective. Question: I spent ten years as a gymnast. Do you think my flexibility and reflexes will be helpful?
Thanks so much for your comment and welcome to the sport! I knew a field hockey goalie... (a long, long time ago...) so I'm familiar with the position. While your flexibility as a gymnast won't ever hurt you as a hockey goalie, the skills you learned with regards to angles and reading plays in field hockey will probably help you more! While there are different nuances between the sports, the basic premise (and mental mindset) will help you adjust to the game much more quickly. Good luck and thanks for your comment!
I've had a question if you could please answer. I am a goalie that's like 5,9 around that and my butterfly isn't secure enough and I think it's my pads as they are 30+1. Do u think the pads are the reason why I have this problem or its something I'm doing?
I learned decades back when many goalies, even in the NHL were, like myself, around 6' tall. The most popular style was the low crouch then drop to butterfly. Today the majority of goalies are BIG guys. And their style of play radically different.
It's pretty amazing how the position has evolved over time! Even just 10 years ago things were different! I think this is what makes goaltending so unique in sports. It just goes to show that we are cerebral athletes!
@@VOGoalie Hey I like that. And I think it was always a "cerebral" position, to us. Just today the teams put so much more emphasis on the position. Thanks for your reply!
Tip for beginners working on speed: if you have another more experienced goalie to help you, stand in front of each other and "race" them for going into your butterfly, recovery sliding, etc... Make sure you're doing it safely and correctly, though; you don't want to hurt yourself.
Please do a video on puck handling with the glove hand. I've never been able to pick the puck up off the ice. I really have no idea how to even practice that skill.
I know this is an older video, but I went out to an open skate a few weeks ago with my pads for the first time. When I went down, I kept landing on the actual front of the pad, I just could not get it set up right. And when I forced myself into the position with the fronts out, I couldn't do pushes, the pad was in the way of my skate. Are they just too big? Is it hip rotation issues?
My daughter is 9, has been ice skating only 1.5 yrs. Anyways I played hockey, but not goalie. She is very enthusiastic, but I don’t know how far to teach her before overloading her, & she doesn’t get any 1 on 1 coaching for her position. What exercises can she do to make the butterfly stance easier, & what are some REAL BASIC tips I can share with her?
I’m trying to be a goalie! Got some equipment but when I put it all on, not good. Can’t see down, can’t move. It’s like I’m wearing a suit of armor. I’ve played hockey for years as a forward. This is crazy! Any advice? I really want to do this.
Quick question. I've been getting mixed answers for this so I came to a real goalie for an answer. If you are right-handed, should you wear your glove on your left hand? Most goalies do it this way, but I know some goalies are righties but shoot left while playing the puck, but they shoot right while skating. It seems hard to shoot left as a goalie is you shoot right as a skater? is it sort of a practice thing?
IMO, it's a personal thing. Most goalies wear their catching glove on the hand they'd catch a ball with (i.e righties wear a baseball glove on their left hand). As one's natural ability to catch (a puck) generally is more critical than a goalies shooting and stick handling ability, most right handed goalies end up working on shooting left rather than learning how to catch with their right hand. As a way to get around this, most goalies today use an overhand catch glove stick grip when shooting. (as opposed to gripping the stick like a player when shooting). In the past, some goalies would turn their stick over (keeping their blocker in the same place and catcher in the butt end of the stick) but this can be too slow to do for fast moving plays (and most goal stick blades back then we're straight). Ultimately, it's really up to what feels most natural to any individual goalie. IMO, there are very few things a goalie can do "wrong" (I like to look at goaltending as being more efficient or less efficient) as long as you're stopping the puck and having fun, it's all good.
I have a bad habit of falling on my right leg where my skate ends up under my butt. Left leg flares into the butterfly but the right leg is a mess. Any tricks to break that habit?
Thanks for asking! I do have a blocker specific video planned, but in the meanwhile, I generally like to have my blocker slightly angled so as to more easily deflect shots to the corner (as opposed to straight back to the shooter). Also, wrist mobility can really help with this. Hopes this helps some!
Sounds like he might need to loosen up the strapping for better rotation. It could also be his toe attachment depending on what pads he's using. Biomechanically, he might need slightly more flare in the butterfly and/or ankle rotation (ie when dropping to his knees, he should try to have his skate blades be more parallel to the ice as opposed to them being perpendicular.). Hope this helps!
I am taking a shot at being goalie for my JV Girls hockey team tomorrow because we don’t have a goalie right now! I am REALLY nervous. I have a game against a team that kicked out butt last year, in THREE DAYS. WHAT DO I DO!?
Once in game there came a penalty shot and my skates laces got under my skate i spotted it when the player started it somehow i saved it Ps. Im not very good in england
Thanks for asking! I have a number of different mics but my favorite is the Lewitt LCT 440 Pure. It's my main recording mic and sounds great in my studio! Aside from goalie gear, microphones are my other vice. I wish I collected less expensive things...
When I was beginning to learn the butterfly when I went down my arms would puff out leaving a gap underneath my them so what I did to to stop that was put my stick on my wrists so it was getting caught on my glove and practiced butterfly like that so my gloves stayed in the same spot
That dude be out there sounding like iron man.
Damn good video tho you deserve a subscriber.
Thanks man!
I think you should make a video on playing the puck for the other goalies that don’t know how to.
Thanks for the suggestion! A stickhandling video is definitely on my list as well as the best situation to do so. But clearly, scooping the puck up on my blade will not be included in said video...
Tip 3 is really gonna help me. Once in a game, it was a 1-1 tie against the best team in our division. I made a save and the puck went into the corner. Then, their guy passed it to the slot, and another guy took a one timer, and it went right through my 6-hole. Now I know that if I use tip 3, those pucks won’t get past me. Thanks Man!
The width of your butterfly should vary depending on your depth relative to the net; if you've telescoped out then your butterfly doesn't need to be as wide in order to take away the bottom of the net. Having a wider butterfly than necessary can result in pucks that would have otherwise missed being kicked out for an easy rebound.
To work on your butterfly slides, focus on getting the knee of your drive leg up (your drive leg is the one you are pushing with). Raising your knee up towards your chest when you're down in the butterfly is what re-engages your blade against the ice, allowing you to push laterally.
Additionally, placing the foot of your drive leg in front of your landed knee (the one still on the ice) will push you backwards as well as sideways; placing your foot of your drive leg behind your landed knee will push you forwards and sideways. The former can be used to slide back to your post without rotating your entire body beforehand, and the latter can be used if you need to cut down the angle on a shot but don't have time to regain your feet.
Great points! Thanks for sharing! I touch on a lot of these points in my Butterfly Push video but it's great that you mention them here in the comments. It's funny to think that from a non-goalie perspective, "butterfly" seems relatively simple, but when you dig down deep into the nuances, it's really anything but. Thanks for your comment!
Hey VOG! Thanks for the help. Started at age 34 and i'm completely self taught. Your technique videos are a huge help.
Thanks I am starting in Bantam and have no idea what I’m doing and this helped🙏🏻🙏🏻
Dang, I was really rooting for you there at the end. Great, simple information. Saving this video 🤙
You sound like Kylo Ren. Thats awesome
This is such a great video for younger goalies and beginners!! Thanks for always putting out awesome goalie content!
Thanks! Just trying to help goalies of ages and skill level!
nice pfp
Out here training to become a pond hockey tendy, thanks.
Awesome stuff! Currently working on my butterfly as I learned quick the days of stand up goaltending are behind us. Tips are appreciated, as always!
Thanks for the kind words! Maybe stand up will make a comeback when the NHL bans goalies from dropping to their knees in an effort to increase scoring... well, maybe not!
I’m a goalie just getting back into the game, away for a long time. Your channel has been great at bringing me back up to speed what’s changed while I’ve been away. I was never a strong butterfly goalie, and now pads are built for it (as I found buying mine) so this video is great!
Welcome back to the crease! Thanks for your comment and glad my videos have helped!
I had to come to my favorite youtubers channel as soon as I could. Love them, keep them up. Ive been playing goaltender for 11+ years.
Thanks so much for your comment! You are Totally Awesome! #NotificationsFTW
VOGoalie no problem my man. I’ve been watching your videos for years. I’ll keep watching them for many more. Just remember me when you get famous ;). And, you are totally awesome. If you want any help on any of your videos let me know I’ll do a commentary or whatever ya need. Always happy to help.
this man really needs more “support” he does such a great job probably works for hours on these videos and still has 14k subs!? Come on goalies lift him up a bit he’s a great guy 🎉 he’s very nice and comfortable to watch he makes my day thank you so much for givin me the best of the best tips man!
He isn’t active on social media anymore, and quit being a goalie too. Sad but we will always have his videos
Hi VOGoalie, I'm from the UK and I have just started playing in goal this year, I still play D but I have been covering for our usual goalie in our last few games. This channel has been a ton of help for me and I recorded my first shutout last night! I'm 28, so proof that you are never too old to try something new!
Congrats on the Shutout! Thanks so much for your comment and glad my videos have helped!
wicked helpful video !! feels like a personal goalie school. great for dry camp too. I remember watching back in the day the 90s goalie videos and man technology is helpful. this was clear to the point perfect. been playing pipes for 27yrs and it was a hard transition from hasek/hextall style to this kind of style but this has helped alot !!
Good stuff as always. One of the other ways to get better at your butterfly... Go to pickup and practice! Most rinks let goalies play pick up for free. Practice makes perfect and Muscle memory is formed by repetition. Another great point about getting your butt up, I see a lot of beginner goalies really sit down after they start their butterfly.
Thanks for your comment! Great point about muscle memory! The butterfly motion is pretty unconventional from an anatomical standpoint, so your right, repetition helps build up that muscle memory. Thanks for the insight as always!
What a great video on the fundamentals. Thanks for posting!
Thanks so much! Just trying to help out goalies of all skill levels!
I started playing goalie last year at 55 years young.
Learned to butterfly slide by going down into butterfly facing net and using cross bar to assist with feeling the leg push eventually working to letting go of the crossbar and butterfly sliding.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your tip! The butterfly motion can feel so awkward for new goalies, hearing how others learned the technique is always helpful to someone! Thanks so much for sharing and congrats on joining the club!
Greatest goalie video ever made.. 💯🙌🏼👏🏼
Ay thanks for the tips especially the closed knees.
Here is a butterfly tip some might not want to hear. lol. You do not always have to go down in the butterfly! Sometimes I see goaltenders going butterfly on everything. Shooters will pick up on that and start timing their shot to go high as you go down in your butterfly. If the skater has a very accurate shot, he will likely score if he has time and space. I think this is especially important if you are a small goaltender since you cover less of the net when you go down in the butterfly.
I really like these videos, and I hope this UA-camr continues posting more outstanding content!
this video is awesome! thank you very much!
Just started learning to play goalie, thanks for the tips!
Great informative video. Just started playing goalie last week, I think this'll really help a lot
Much respect for your enthusiasm
Thanks so much! Just trying to make some fun content!
Awesome video man! It's so important to drive your knees straight down to keep those knees seeled. Thanks for your tips!
Thanks for your Comment and for the tip about driving your knees!
Great stuff. A little additional for #1 Driving your knees to the ice. The mechanics are your Hips and Ankles as the pivot points. Start with a Wide stance, then bringing your knees together (hips) rotates the pads down to the ice (ankles), eventually disengaging the blades from the ice. Once you get good at this, you can literally SLAM your 5-hole closed.
Great point! Thanks for your comment! I neglected to mention the hips and ankles. And I had totally planned a "heavy metal powerslide" as a what not to do, then totally forgot to shoot that when filming!
Thanks for the tips
nice side push from bfly position
Thanks for posting these awesome videos. I am just getting back into playing goalie. Been over 19 years since I skated last and these tips are greatly appreciated
Thanks for your comment and welcome back to the ice!
Great vid.... I've always had trouble, but this should help me
Awesome! Thanks for your comment and GL!
AH! Here we go just what I was looking for finally I’m half way through and I just realized if I learn to ice skate (I’m a 13yr old) if I play hockey after learning to ice skate I want to play left wing so I’m not sure why I’m here but looks cool
Many thanks! Really good Video.
You're welcome! Hope my videos help other goalies out there! Thanks for your comment!
Wow, thanks a lot!
Just shot a video on exactly this yesterday....... :)
Sweet! Looking forward to seeing it!
Great video
I just realized my pads are a big too small, and my pants are too big. So I can butterfly as good as I can with fitting gear. So this should help for now! Thanks!
Great video. I've been playing for over 30 years, and I still have issues with recovering with my blocker side leg, I just tend to use my glove side leg more. Tips and tricks or even training that people can do to get their body mechanics and repetition of the movement would be a good video to look at doing after a tips for butterfly video. Excellent content as usual VOG!!!
Thanks so much for your comment! No worries, I totally have a favorite recovery leg that's my default when there's no danger! Thanks for the video suggestion too!
You’re my favourite goalie coach on UA-cam! Thanks for the video
Thanks for your comment! While I don't consider myself an official "coach", I'm glad that my content helps goalies out there! And hopefully provides some entertainment along the way!
What a nice guy
Ball hockey goalie here - and a butterfly beginner - only put on the pads a couple of years ago in my late 40s...these are great tips - are you somewhere in Canada? :)
Gonna miss u Wayne!
No you are totally awesome
Good stuff, as usual. Only suggestion I will make has to do with recovery from the butterfly: rather than use visual acuity to locate the puck by turning your head towards the puck's new location, have your shoulders follow as well. This has the advantage of turning your arms in the right direction and half your body is already turned in the right direction. Then, when you engage the recovery leg, half your body is already pointed in the right direction. You can extend the benefits of upper body rotation by swinging the non-recovery leg as well until that leg's skate makes contact with the recovery leg skate. At that point, you've done almost your entire rotation, and your recovery leg is used to get you up and push you out towards the puck.
Great points! That's always the ideal when it comes to efficiency of movement! Its funny how subtle adjustments and observations in a goalies game can lead to significant positive impact. You always have the best goalie insight! I think the biggest thing is developing discipline when it comes to movement. Often times for me at least, the easiest route is for athleticism (or lack thereof) to kick in and make a diving desperation save. What makes guys like Carey Price so good is how calm they look in those "desperation" moments. As always, thanks so much for you comment and contributing to the conversation!
Another great video! Keep it up!
Thanks so much! You are Totally Awesome!
@@VOGoalie I am looking to buy your pads and that's how I actually found you on UA-cam. My butterfly hasnt been as wide since I pulled a groin a few seasons ago but I was wondering how stiff these pads are or if they require you to have a decently wide butterfly to close the 5 hole? Thanks for your input and if you're ever out in AZ we'd love to have you jump on the ice with us!
THANK U MAN
great vid, about the hands bro, your hand position is dependant on where the shooter is. If the shooter is in close, your (catcher) hand must be upright and extended towards the puck, or u get beat top shelf. Same with blocker side but its not as easy. If the shot is coming from a 5~ yard distance you should/could drop your gloves towards your pads like you do, unless u can spot the release and make the reaction save. I've gained so much since I implemented these techniques..
Cheers
Awesome! Thanks for the insight! Great points about hand placement! Maybe I'll have to do a follow up on that specifically! As always, thanks for you comments!
Thank you needed this
You're welcome! Thanks for your comment and hope my video helps!
Lmfao!! Best part was at the end!! "I saw this on the Internet "
I seen that video too!
Thanks! You rock for watching my entire video!
Great vid, its really helped me close up my 5 hole, Do you have any tips on specific exercises to help build leg strength to help with pushing off, also im using rbk 5k pads are they going to hinder me in being able to slide, or should i eventually be able to work through it?
i used to be one of the worst goalies in my league but once i watched this video it made me one of the best
Awesome! Glad my video help out some!
Thanks for making these videos, they are awesome! I have only played ice a few times now and I can't do a butterfly. I've only ever played roller hockey and there isn't too much sliding for a goalie. I also wonder if it's my pads, they are 2000-2001 don simmons excalibur pads and i don't think butterfly was a thing then. I do have some warrior g3 pads on order and i'm hoping it makes a difference. Your opinions, insight, techniques, help, is greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much for your comment! Modern day pads will make a difference in your butterfly so the switch to G3s from those Excaliburs will be like night and day (plus the weight savings will be incredible!). There for sure will be an adjustment period, but stick with it and you'll be butterflying in no time!
Just getting back into the net after years of skating up, and utilizing the old stand up style of tending. Needing to learn the butterfly now. My main question is, what are some tips and tricks to save my 51 yr old knees while learning the butterfly? Are there certain equipment set-ups that help save the knees? Thanks.
leaning forward and to either side the shot goes to leads to really good rebound control, worked on that recently really leaning my weight towards the shot side and ofc keeping hands in front of you
Thanks for your comment! You're totally right! Moving towards the shot helps me with my rebound control! Unfortunately, my D waving their sticks at every shot negates that!
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I just got back into playing C and RW in team play after a knee dislocation, but I've been really interested in tending the net. I'd love to see some content for the new pad smell goalie - I'm a bit confused on what the butterfly looks like without pads on/if I can do it properly with my current level of flexibility.
My issue was both my hamstrings and adductors were locked up and it took dry needling with Electro stimulation to unlock them.
Could butterfly just fine without even stretching it was amazing.
I was an idiot and force myself into a wall sit stretch that was too wide.
stretching is key! If you're stiff/locked up nothing will work as it should.. Just like you say, always play better after recent chiropractice, when everything is aligned and moving the way it should, without some parts of my body obstructing movement. It's a game changer, especially in Beer-league
@@magictooth2 No. I legit hurt myself. For months I was having knee pain. Hit my muscle groups and no more pain.
@@KB9813 can you pls help me...I cant do wide butterfly and when i try it hurts my glute like I am getting a cramp.even when I try side lifting my leg up i get cramp in glute(standing on both feet and just rising your leg up sideways)
@@I_TalkSick I'm not a medical professional so I have no idea. But, glutes are mainly a stabilizing muscle and it's advisable to try and maybe stretch them to help with rotation. It could be hip impingement (ua-cam.com/video/agmYorhOxmc/v-deo.html | ua-cam.com/video/Pd_bJMOM0I0/v-deo.html).
I would figure it would be either your abductors or adductors. Your adductors are completely abused by goalie stance and the inward movement of c-cuts, abductors outward movement of c-cuts.
See a physiotherapist and maybe ask for dry needling with estimulation. Might not work for you, but since I had a muscle injury it worked for me.
Found out what i was doing wrong. Thanks Wayne
Awesome! Glad my video help and thanks for your comment!
Hey Wayne what kind of mask do you have? I love the short chin with cheater cage you have and I'll be looking for one soon. Need options.
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Hey Vlad, thanks for your question. Powerslide is right, I wear a Protechsport mask. Specifically a Luongo mold. I actually have an extended chin but the cage window is large so it looks like a short chin (I used to wear a Mage RS, now that was a short chin!). If you're looking for a Protechsport, plan early as the lead time can often be lengthy as they are all made to order, but Michel is fantastic to work with in making your mask!
Awesome stuff as always! It'll be a year at least before my slides look that smooth!! :p I'm thinking of modding the lower arms on my brand new Vapor 1x chesty cuz another puck found the same hole on the glove side yesterday as did one a couple weeks ago between the blocker and arm pads. Thems HURT! But I've already got the mod in mind. Let ya know how it goes!
Awesome! And don't worry, it took me a little while to get my slides down! If you all only saw me back in HS! Maybe I'll have to do "VOGoalie Views" series and watch an old game... And GL with your arm mod! Sounds great!
this is a great video. i wish that i had a place to practice. Should i use synthetic ice?
Thanks for your comment! Synthetic ice would def be better than nothing at all!
Thanks for the video I’m a young peewee goalie working on the five hole because I always let pucks sneak in
Thanks for your comment! Hope my video helps in some small way! #VOGSquad
Just work on your positioning. If you keep your legs sealed and together, also put your weight on your knees like the video states, you should be fine. It’s mostly about positioning and weight transfer. By the way, always keep your stick extended and in the way of your five hole. Hope this helps!
This seemed to be basic knowledge for me. It’s hard to remember the basics when you’ve learned them 1000 years ago. This will really help me explain what I’m doing… thanks man it’s hard to remember the absolute basics again after it’s muscle memory
Great simple tips. You should change your channel name to Mic’d up Goalie based on the looks and sound of this video ;D
Tx from france
Thank you for this! I’m a field hockey goalie transitioning to ice. We don’t really use butterfly in field hockey (it’s too hard to get up from dirt) and we can’t catch the ball plus we have a smaller stick and wider goal. It can be really hard! We kick the ball away or smack it with a hand blocker (on the glove hand). So I’m excited at the prospect of using the butterfly, having an actual glove to catch, and a smaller goal. I guess it’s about perspective. Question: I spent ten years as a gymnast. Do you think my flexibility and reflexes will be helpful?
Thanks so much for your comment and welcome to the sport! I knew a field hockey goalie... (a long, long time ago...) so I'm familiar with the position. While your flexibility as a gymnast won't ever hurt you as a hockey goalie, the skills you learned with regards to angles and reading plays in field hockey will probably help you more! While there are different nuances between the sports, the basic premise (and mental mindset) will help you adjust to the game much more quickly. Good luck and thanks for your comment!
VOGoalie Thank you so much! I’m lucky I’m used to putting my body in weird angles AND wearing pads! Your videos are helpful too!!!
I've had a question if you could please answer. I am a goalie that's like 5,9 around that and my butterfly isn't secure enough and I think it's my pads as they are 30+1. Do u think the pads are the reason why I have this problem or its something I'm doing?
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I learned decades back when many goalies, even in the NHL were, like myself, around 6' tall. The most popular style was the low crouch then drop to butterfly. Today the majority of goalies are BIG guys. And their style of play radically different.
It's pretty amazing how the position has evolved over time! Even just 10 years ago things were different! I think this is what makes goaltending so unique in sports. It just goes to show that we are cerebral athletes!
@@VOGoalie Hey I like that. And I think it was always a "cerebral" position, to us. Just today the teams put so much more emphasis on the position. Thanks for your reply!
Tip for beginners working on speed: if you have another more experienced goalie to help you, stand in front of each other and "race" them for going into your butterfly, recovery sliding, etc... Make sure you're doing it safely and correctly, though; you don't want to hurt yourself.
Nice! Thanks for the tip!
Please do a video on puck handling with the glove hand. I've never been able to pick the puck up off the ice. I really have no idea how to even practice that skill.
Thanks for the suggestion! Let me see what I can do!
what do you say at the beginning you show on the ice...you say "beginners have to hob'? hop? Hob? to disengage their blades... please explain
I know this is an older video, but I went out to an open skate a few weeks ago with my pads for the first time. When I went down, I kept landing on the actual front of the pad, I just could not get it set up right. And when I forced myself into the position with the fronts out, I couldn't do pushes, the pad was in the way of my skate. Are they just too big? Is it hip rotation issues?
But how do you get the pads to stay upright, do you just crank your knees or something?
thans so moch
Wayne what if the goalie is stand up I don't like the butterfly makes vulnerable to being scored on up stairs
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You are totally awesome!
A video on center-shifting please?
My daughter is 9, has been ice skating only 1.5 yrs. Anyways I played hockey, but not goalie. She is very enthusiastic, but I don’t know how far to teach her before overloading her, & she doesn’t get any 1 on 1 coaching for her position. What exercises can she do to make the butterfly stance easier, & what are some REAL BASIC tips I can share with her?
I’m trying to be a goalie! Got some equipment but when I put it all on, not good. Can’t see down, can’t move. It’s like I’m wearing a suit of armor. I’ve played hockey for years as a forward. This is crazy! Any advice? I really want to do this.
Quick question. I've been getting mixed answers for this so I came to a real goalie for an answer. If you are right-handed, should you wear your glove on your left hand? Most goalies do it this way, but I know some goalies are righties but shoot left while playing the puck, but they shoot right while skating. It seems hard to shoot left as a goalie is you shoot right as a skater? is it sort of a practice thing?
IMO, it's a personal thing. Most goalies wear their catching glove on the hand they'd catch a ball with (i.e righties wear a baseball glove on their left hand). As one's natural ability to catch (a puck) generally is more critical than a goalies shooting and stick handling ability, most right handed goalies end up working on shooting left rather than learning how to catch with their right hand.
As a way to get around this, most goalies today use an overhand catch glove stick grip when shooting. (as opposed to gripping the stick like a player when shooting).
In the past, some goalies would turn their stick over (keeping their blocker in the same place and catcher in the butt end of the stick) but this can be too slow to do for fast moving plays (and most goal stick blades back then we're straight).
Ultimately, it's really up to what feels most natural to any individual goalie. IMO, there are very few things a goalie can do "wrong" (I like to look at goaltending as being more efficient or less efficient) as long as you're stopping the puck and having fun, it's all good.
@@VOGoalie ok thanks for the clarification. That was really helpful!
How come the facing of the pads go straight down to ground and not flaired out on side like your pads
my pads are facing the ground instead of outwards when i drop down, any tips?
Mahalo!
You're welcome!
I find these vids helpful even though im winger
Awesome! Knowing how goalies think can definitely help you score!
I honestly just don’t know how to place my feet. Do I just dig the toe in or does the entire side need to touch the ice?
I have a bad habit of falling on my right leg where my skate ends up under my butt. Left leg flares into the butterfly but the right leg is a mess. Any tricks to break that habit?
any tips on how to properly make a blocker save? i feel like im doing it wrong most of the time.
Thanks for asking! I do have a blocker specific video planned, but in the meanwhile, I generally like to have my blocker slightly angled so as to more easily deflect shots to the corner (as opposed to straight back to the shooter). Also, wrist mobility can really help with this. Hopes this helps some!
My son just started and is having a hard time getting his pads square on the ice. Hes going flat on his knees. Does he just need a wider stance?
Sounds like he might need to loosen up the strapping for better rotation. It could also be his toe attachment depending on what pads he's using. Biomechanically, he might need slightly more flare in the butterfly and/or ankle rotation (ie when dropping to his knees, he should try to have his skate blades be more parallel to the ice as opposed to them being perpendicular.). Hope this helps!
Is it the same for inline hockey?
I am awesome now since I commented
I am taking a shot at being goalie for my JV Girls hockey team tomorrow because we don’t have a goalie right now! I am REALLY nervous. I have a game against a team that kicked out butt last year, in THREE DAYS. WHAT DO I DO!?
Sorry I missed your Comment! I hope it went well and that you had fun!
It was very fun! We won 12-10 (the other goalie was new too!)
Once in game there came a penalty shot and my skates laces got under my skate i spotted it when the player started it somehow i saved it
Ps. Im not very good in england
i dont get the bringing the pads together at the fihole because i dont put them together i use my stick
butterfly tip: practice makes perfect
What Mic do you use in "studio"? not the one you're using on ice...
Thanks for asking! I have a number of different mics but my favorite is the Lewitt LCT 440 Pure. It's my main recording mic and sounds great in my studio! Aside from goalie gear, microphones are my other vice. I wish I collected less expensive things...
this really helped
Are those the G4’s
Sure are!
When I was beginning to learn the butterfly when I went down my arms would puff out leaving a gap underneath my them so what I did to to stop that was put my stick on my wrists so it was getting caught on my glove and practiced butterfly like that so my gloves stayed in the same spot