FINALLY, HEAR WHAT DAVID OGBUELI & APOSTLE AROME SAID ABOUT THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES ON TITHING
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- This should settle all the arguments surrounding tithing in the Old and New Testaments.
Apostle Arome and Pastor David Ogbueli explained the reasons why Satan is using both Christians and unbelievers to stop Christians from paying tithe in church ⛪️
This is the truth. We Christians like to hide behind grace to live irresponsibly. Heb. 7:1-10
I pay tithe and no amount of teaching can change my conviction cos i have seen its benefits
Exactly ❤️❤️
@@okabafideladie6873 exactly 💯
Thank you , but let the tithe be used to finance God's kingdom
@@nathanieljoel5876
My dear It's not your business.
Let God Almighty handle it.
He knows the best way to do it.
That’s your decision not what the scripture teaches
True teachings, tithing is good,is just the devil deceiving people
So the devil deceived the apostles who didn’t pay or collect tithes right?
"What you give does not really leave your life." Very true ❤
Thanks for this teaching! 💙🙏🏽🦋
Whether we called it tithes or given,the truth is it is clear in the bible we should feed those preaching to us as a gratitude or thanks given to God.Only faithless people and those fighting God's word have issues with given tithes.
True
Okay that means Jesus and the apostles were faithless for not paying or collecting tithes. You know you just blasphemed right?
Bro just live your life you want. After these race, miles will be counted. Keep on allowing Satan to consume you@@IyadiEmmanuel-qo3bh
@ bring the verse and post it here please
What we give does not truly leave our life, thank you Apostles of truth
" anything your experiencing now is not the best God can do, what you give doesn't leave your life"
Thanks for this insight and clarification sirs
Lord help me to understand the principle of tithing kill the strong holds and open my eyes and see.
Amen
Matthew 23: 23 instructed us to pay tithes along side helping others.we can't be deceived by the doctrine of hell
You read but don't understand
Matt 23 was before the law ended. But after Christ died those those were cancelled that’s why no apostle paid or collected it read Rom 10:4
See how Dr. David Ogbueli and Apostle Arome Osayi give balance to this matter...🔥🔥🔥
You are terribly ignorant if you call this non scriptural and fear-mongering preaching on tithing “balance teaching”.
@ do me a favour and listen to "spiritual covering" part 3 to 5 by Apostle Arome on the subject and determine whether it's to breed fear, etc. he even states that "paying tithe" doesn't affect your going to heaven.
@@michaeltemple6493 Listen to another scrap
@@joshuaoko4691 there’s nothing balanced in this it’s one sided and leading to one destination “THEIR POCKETS”
The concept of Tithe came before the Law from Genesis. It's the principle of the accursed thing. The principle of Honour to God. Remove a Portion of God's blessing to you and give back to God. 10% is the smallest you can do.
The Tithe is not a means to increase your finances. The Tithe is a principle that bestows THE BLESSING on you. The Blessing covers everything.
❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for this comment 🙏
Very very wrong
Abraham slept with his maid before the law
He did animal sacrifices before the law
So if I can tithe because Abraham did before the law then that means I’m free to do these other things
That’s the hole in what you’re saying
Think about it
Tithe is no longer a means to increase finances. Christ has ended it Rom 10:4
I stopped tithing about 10 years ago and what I earn now is even 21 times more than what I earned then
@@IyadiEmmanuel-qo3bhMatthew 23:23, Jesus spoke about tithing. May be Jesus is wrong too, since he allowed the spiritual practices of the man who slept with his maid.
@@edmundowan1910 do you understand dispensations?
Every testament must start with death and blood 🩸 my friend,
When the Old Testament wanted to start the Bible says Moses killed a lamb 🐑 and read the law to Israelites as he sprinkled the blood on them and that was how it started (Read the book of hebrews)
So for the New Testament to start there must be death and blood also a lamb must die and that lamb 🐑was Jesus. This was why at the last supper when he raised the wine he said: “The is the blood of the New Testament shed for you” by this he meant that his death would start the New Testament where there is no tithing.
So until Jesus died the law of Moses did not end and had to be obeyed.
This was why when he healed the lepers he told them to go to obey the law by going to show themselves to the priests
This was why he didn’t condemn tithing in Matt 23(though he didn’t ask for it or pay it)
It was all because the law of Moses had not yet ended but the moment he died to start the New Testament where there is no tithing he said on the cross:
IT IS FINISHED ✅
That was when the New Testament began and this was why the curtain in the temple tore to show that we no longer need that system to get to God
This is why after his death you’ll never find anybody in the church tithing not the apostles and not the believers it’s because the death of Jesus has cancelled those things (read Rom10:4 and Eph 2:15)
The way things were before the cross is very different from the way things are after the cross.
Hallelujah!!!!!!
Abraham, the first man that believed in God that was counted unto him for righteousness, he paid tithe to Melchizedek, and Bible said in Hebrews and psalms, the priesthood of Jesus as been made like the priesthood of Melchizedek. If Abraham the first father of faith paid tithe even before the law to Melchizedek, And the priesthood of Jesus is also like unto Melchizedek, I don't know why 2000 years we have come with different revelations. The Apsotles didn't even collect just 10%, Bible said people sold their ALLL
@@osindelejoshua8297 they wouldn't see the part that the apostles sold out their land and brought the whole money at the apostles feet, and distribution was made according to everyones need.
@@osindelejoshua8297 It was Abraham's decision. He wasn't forced
@@osindelejoshua8297 Abraham also did animal sacrifice before the law
He slept with a concubine too before the law should we do that too?
I don’t know why people don’t want to progress always going backward instead of forward
Amazing and rich
My joy is that this relationship is a personal one.
If I choose to give a 10th of my increase to someone am in a relationship with and Jesus being the bridegroom then it’s a personal matter.
It’s not compulsory. But teaching is also not wrong. You can choose to tithes or choose not to tithe.
I don’t know why people keep complaining of something they don’t do. Just watch and pass 😅
Whenever we understand that theres is nothing we can give God. Then we will be free. If you choose to give tithe, it is tovthe church or priest or whoever and not to God. Since it is not to God, then its not an obligation.
Read Hebrews 7.8 and see who receives it on earth and who ultimately receives it. Cheers
Melchizedek is not Jesus Read hebrews 7:3: without father or mother, without genealogy without beginning of days or end of life, RESEMBLING THE SON OF GOD….
If Melchizedek is Jesus then why does he still “RESEMBLE JESUS”?
It was Melchizedek that took tithes from Abraham not Jesus and Christians are not called to Honour Melchizedek. We are called to Honour Jesus. We are to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith and not unto Melchizedek.
Heb 7 isn’t supporting tithing
Jesus the way truth and life 🙏 🙌 hallelujah let's follow him.
Why everyone point on Abraham as if giving started with him?
God loves cheerfull giver. Abel & Job, the widow woman shows us heart that loves God. Even i don't remember David paying tithe everything he had belonged to God. 😂
Let's adopt early Church doctrine. Who never mentioned tithing? 😮
I respect anointed men and women of God but sometimes light in giving is candle 🕯.
How can person Interpret tree of life as tithe?
Who knows the origin of tithing? Where did Abraham got idea? Find out?
Sometimes Man doctrine fades. But God is the same.
Alright. let me direct u in book of jasher. Recommend by Joshua, Samuel and Ap Paul as three witness
Find trust and be free.
We love u Church in Nigeria Ap Arome
osayi Ap Michael and the body of christ we appreciate yr labour .
We are living sacrifice to God all we have belong to him use everything to Glory his name.
Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Just first that book 📖 and come back to bible. Yr discernment will increase
I am not stable in one location based on my schedule where do i pay my tithe
The controversy about tithing is because the tithes are not being used for God purpose. so God is angry. It is the anger of God burning through those people that are saying no to tithes. IF MEN OF GOD WILL REPENT AND DO THE RIGHT THING, NO BODY WILL SPEAK AGAINST TITHING ANY MORE.
@@jollysimeon6936 How do you know ?.
Be careful how you make assumptions. The tithe is used for the kingdom.of God, There are many men of God who also give their tithe and also use the tithe to take care of the house of God and the people of God.
Be careful how you opine your opinion.
Shalom
@@fifojanet5891Don't just wave away what the other said without critically thinking. You want the person to reason with you, but you don't seem to acknowledge that what he/she said could be true. You can't equally prove him/her wrong because you don't have comprehensive findings about the matter either. He/she could be speaking based on some specific experiences you do not know.
@@fifojanet5891 by the Grace of God I am also a servant of God. I pray that God will open your eyes Grace be with you.
Pls add Daddy freeze....
No need for all these arguments. If you:
1. received Salvation by Faith
2. are made a King and a Priest
3. Partake in communion
You are in the order of the Melchizedek Priesthood which Jesus' is currently operating.
Please update your list to include number 4 under that priesthood
4. Tithes
Kai! You have been seriously manipulated by David Ogbueli.
@@blessed4019 Oh really. I study the Bible for myself. I was interested in Melchizedek for a long time so I did a study on him...Dr. Ogubeli only said what I discovered. I challenge you to study the book of Hebrews again. Especially chapters 5-8.
We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.
The funny thing is if you have the Holy Spirit in you, you already know the truth, but you can try to argue in your head.
@@blessed4019 Deceived? No. I've studied the Bible for myself. I used to be interested in Melchizedek, so I did a study on him. I challenge you to study the book of Hebrews. Especially chapters 6&7.
The funny thing is anyone who has the Holy Spirit in them already knows the truth. Now you can try to make an argument in your head, but the truth is the truth.
@@thefoxed-f8g Sorry for the hours you wasted! You still following the lies they taught you about tithing trying to use Hebrews mention of Melchizedek. The main discourse and message of Hebrews 7 was to prove to the Jews to whom the letter was written, how that Jesus a non Levite, a man from the tribe of Judah, was the fulfillment of the eternal kingship and priesthood God promised to Israel. That Jesus was the messiah who would embody the two most important institutions of God’s kingdom which is KINGSHIP & PRIESTHOOD. Tithing was NOT in any way the intended topic and that is the TRUTH!!! Since priests took tithes from their brethren, why are these preachers asking us, who are kings and priests to God to pay tithes? Should we all believers as priests, be the ones receiving tithes?
@@blessed4019 Tithing was not the main topic, true, but it was part of the ordinances. If it was not important at all, the book of Hebrews wouldn't have mentioned it at all.
The tithing you have described where priests receive tithes FALLS UNDER LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD, not Melchizedek's.
And believers are PRIESTS NOT HIGH PRIESTS!! There's only One High Priest. Jesus took the similitude of Melchizedek in that he became our High Priest. Melchizedek was a shadow and a type. Your tithe is still going to your High Priest bro.
Now it's up to you whether you pay it or not.
Like I said, you know the truth already. What you do with it is up to you.
How do we tithe ? Must it be to our local church or other churches or giving to the needy ?
Giving it to the needy is not tithing... We give offerings, give to the needy(philanthropy and welfare and each of these are different from tithing. It's a principle in our faith and it's not anyone's business to understand it if they are not part of our faith.
Give your tithe to your local assembly
@@alabisilas5915 thank you 🙏🏾
@@ThetribeofJoseph thank you 🙏🏾 am a winners member
People don't know that this store house is not the church. Give generously and not with fear from these scamers.
Can we preach about WASHING EACH OTHERS FEET
was this not a command from our Lord Jesus Christ ?
How about
THE SACRIFICE UNTO God are a broken sprite a contrite heart
Let us focus on PREPARING OUR HEARTS for the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Listen and understand what he's saying
Tithing is gone Rom10:4
Name of full message please
Giving, yes. Tithing, no.
Tithing is an act of Faith practiced by our fathers (Abraham and Jacob), not an act of the law as practiced by Moses law. Only those that tithe understands the benefits therein 🎉
Abraham tithed before the law but you will not remember that he slept with his maid and did animal sacrifices. If we can tithe because Abraham did before the law then we can do the other things too that’s the implication
Can anyone have proof the early apostles of Jesus Christ paid tithe
They actually gave more than the tithe. Acts 2:44-45.
The early apostles, didn't pay tithes because they were apostles,preachers of the word of God .those who listen to them gave them more than 10 person even.Paul and other apostles were fed by those whom he preached to.
Hebrews 7 from the beginning to the end verse by verse is making a comparison and pointing out Christ as that better convenant(ver.22). It's not a command of tithe payment.
By the way, Abraham did not pay tithe from his own belongs but from the spoils of war(vs.2).
How can Tithe be so important but the apostles that started the church never spoke about it for once and there's nowhere in the new testament it was commanded to be paid?
Good question. These men are excellent manipulators twisting scriptures for financial gain.
Melchizedek is not Jesus Read hebrews 7:3: without father or mother, without genealogy without beginning of days or end of life, RESEMBLING THE SON OF GOD….
If Melchizedek is Jesus then why does he still “RESEMBLE JESUS”?
It was Melchizedek that took tithes from Abraham not Jesus and Christians are not called to Honour Melchizedek. We are called to Honour Jesus. We are to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith and not unto Melchizedek.
The spirit of man knows what is true. Even though the man may not be working in that truth, he knows what is right. This is because man is made in the image of God and whatever is compatible with he spirit of God finds compatibility with the spirit of man.
All this argument back and forth is unnecessary.
@@transformednonconformist Thank you My brother . My way of saying this is that where a man truly long after God he would be guided to do the right thing by Faith like Abel blood sacrifice , Abraham Tithes to Melchizedek, Jacob desires to give Jehovah a tenth of his blessings if he was kept from all evil and returned to his father's house
Abraham gave the spoils of war to Melchizedek not his income and he only did it once. These guys are talking about tithing income Abraham never did that. From what they are saying we should all go to war and give them 10 percent of our spoils.
Apostle Arome osayi i love you soo much but your concept of tithe is not true
All of me and mine are the Lord's; and, as much as i receive grace I'd give what i have to God and I've been doing so. But, my question is: How did "pay" enter the matter of tithe for Christians? Coz that connotes "debt", meanwhile Christ has paid it all! Hmm...
I believe Abraham willingly "gave" Melchizedek the tenth of the spoil - he never saw that as a debt to be "paid", but as a token of honour to the High Priest who met him. Moreover, the Kings who originally own those spoil wouldn't be mad with Abraham for keeping ten percent of all that were recovered by him and his men. Which sensible people will be for such great favour done???
On the other hand, i want to ask: All those fighting against tithing, are they sincerely desiring verity in scriptural matters or they are simply stingy 😂 or they just like to get against those (prosperity gospellers) who preach "paying" of tithe? Coz in my own opinion, ten percent is quite little o!
...just thinking aloud.
the ten hundred nairas looks the same
When did God ask for ten percent. These pastors, na wao
The point we are making is that, the covenant God entered with Christ does not make tithing a law to us . They use examples to coas us but will not talk about those who got reach withouth paying tithe. The principle of truth must be consistent at all times. The apostles did not preach it. The church is playing a dangerous game
@@samwiseadah Abraham, the first man that believed in God that was counted unto him for righteousness, he paid tithe to Melchizedek, and Bible said in Hebrews and psalms, the priesthood of Jesus as been made like the priesthood of Melchizedek. If Abraham the first father of faith paid tithe even before the law to Melchizedek, And the priesthood of Jesus is also like unto Melchizedek, I don't know why 2000 years we have come with different revelations. The Apsotles didn't even collect just 10%, Bible said people sold their ALLL
@@osindelejoshua8297 You forget to address the issue. Abraham was not saved by the tithe he paid , neither was he made rich by it. Abraham did not pay tithe all his life also. Before the pentecostal, the Catholic church sold ordinance for salvation and Luther stood against it to birth the protestant movement. It is the use of pay or face the consequences that is a lie. there is no such thing in the covenant of Grace. The church is not the sours of truth, the bible is and the level of private interpretation this days is embarrassing. This private interpretation is aimed at control and manipulation.
@samwiseadah Abraham is the father of faith is the father of all believers and all the righteous. Abraham believe God and it counted as righteousness.
Abraham entered into covenant with God by circumcision in the old testament. In Genesis 14 Abraham entered into another covenant with God through Melchizedek through eating the bread and drinking the wine brought by Melchizedek the high priest. The high priest is Jesus Christ this is confirmed in Hebr. 7 and John chapter 6. Go and read. So Abraham paid Tithe in the new covenant because he gave Tithe of all. Meaning his eyes were opened after the Communion. The things of the spirit are spiritually discern. All believers must pay Tithe. In the law anyone who do not pay Tithe is under a curse (Malachi 3) but in the new testament your tithing is voluntary just as Abraham did and the curse it attracts under the law has been removed by Jesus Christ (Gal.3:13-14).
Jesus Christ did not reject nor stop tithing.
God said bring ye all the Tithe to my house so there will be sufficient funds for those who have separated unto Him and also for the spreading of the gospel and for the poor. If you against tithing you are saying the gospel should not be preached because the clearly stated that money answer all things (Ecclesiastes 10:19). So the doctrine of no tithing in the new testament is a satanic doctrine so that the gospel should not spread
@@osindelejoshua8297 he gave a tithe not paid
@@uzijoshua778 You can give any personal interpretation to the scripture as you like but you can not indoctrinate us with you interpretation. If the gospel cannot be spread without tithe, how did it spread in the first century. God is not that weak not have desciples who can pay for his work. Religious institution are manipulative, they need to stop because it hinders the gospel of truth.
These men should allow us to read the bible that is as clear as transparency. It's all about money, money and money. Can you all focus on the death and resurrection of Christ? All these tithe lies and deception have been overwhelmingly boring.
@meztv8602 Well beloved you have decided that, only these 2 you have mentioned is all you want to hear... but that's not the only counsel of God's word. If you're a believer you must accept the whole counsel of God's word. But yeah. Bless your heart.
GANGS OF THIEFS IN The NAME OF GOD
How can God ask you for 90, who is the God collecting all the money ,haba. Na wao
Are you sure you listened well to this video oga
Lol, i was wondering o. He was listening to argue not to understand
Lol, i was wondering. He was listening to argue and not to understand
@@Hillzokpala He did not. His ear is hearing what he wants to hear.
God isn’t asking anyone for any percentage anymore. Give as you propose in your heart God isn’t hungry
See the teachings of Zac Poomen regarding tithing
I respect Apostle Arome but I must disagree with some of his teachings
So we should believe building earthly Palace and mashions is All we must set our eyes on as we pay tithe 😢 thats insecurity and loving the world.
Before counting tithe think about the price Jesus paid? U will seek the kingdom without demanding benefits of tithing?
😮who told u u belong to Levi? 😢 now yr mind goes to Abraham who was justified by Isaac sacrifice not tithing to high priest, of course u know his Name.
Our faith has nothing to do with tithing its about God's presence.
The one received tithe is the one who visited adam in cool of the day. King of peace. Also is the sec Adam and last who demands to be in his presence
Nothing else. And he paid full price.
He told David earth belongs to sons of men. Sometimes patience is what we lack to be hold his Glory not tithing. Jesus waited 30 years.
Remember when they asked tax from him? He payed on divine acount 😅 🐟 fish mouth not for his pocket or ministry pocket.
Point is no one should be taxed but give willing.
So church na business????
Nobody is fighting over 10%. it's just that tithing is not a Christian practice. 2Cor9v7, that's how Christians should give.
Luke 11:42.
He was talking to the Pharisees @waletheguy
@@obinnadike3923 and he told them that tithing is wrong?
@@obinnadike3923 u are right
@@waletheguy Luke 11:42 has nothing to do with Christians, it's not a command for tithing. The pharisees were been rebuked for a misdeed and the things mentioned in that verse as tithes are more like herbs, it was never money.
No the entire 100% is for God nothing is yours not even the 90%
He says give me 10% to teach you how to be discipline
God bless you for this comment 🙏
He never says give me 10% to teach you how to be disciplined. Where did you get that assertion from? You better don't lie on God.
Who is going to be more disciplined, the person that gives 10% or the one that decided to cheerfully give more than 10%?
@@charlesluminary my friend if you handle someone's money in a very nice and good manner without stealing from him isn't that discipline?
@@ZambianMedPod God is not the owner of money, He might have provide a means of getting it but He's not the owner. Give to ceasar what belongs to ceasar was a statement made by Jesus because ceasar is the owner. Again God never said give me 10% to teach you how to be disciplined...don't say God said what He never said.
What if the money is coming from an undisciplined means. There's a reason the bible says give cheerfully.
@@charlesluminary Psalm 24:1
The earth is the lord's and everything in it.
That includes money.
Listen if you're faithful enough to give 10% from the 100% you'll be faithful enough to give even more. That's where giving cheerfully comes in
Scam
GO AND EAT THE 10% LOL
Eat your 10%. I can be sure your 10% is not even up to N100,000.
Tithing has been abolished Eph 2:15
@@IyadiEmmanuel-qo3bh Who abolished it? Where did that verse say tithing was abolished?
@@enod9746 what is "THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS" that was mentioned in that verse?
Oh so sad!
Who did this to you?
Oga tithe is no longer working,so stop ripping the people
Tithing is not for born again Christians.
Ogbueli and Arome are deceivers. Since Jesus is the High Priest and we all as his sons are priests under the Melchizedek priesthood, we should be the ones collecting tithes and not the ones paying it. Abraham gave tithe because he was not a priest. The other tribes paid tithes to the priests. So why are these crooks hammering on we the priests paying tithe?
Be careful! Be warned!! Stop speaking against men of God, so God himself doesn't fight you!!!
You must be crazy,
How dear you speak against the men of God?
You must be crazy,
How dear you speak against the men of God?
@@eliakimhilkiah1055 Taah! I say shut up! I will shout it loud that these men are deceiving people with the way they are twisting the truth of God’s Word for monetary gain. If they have deceived you with false teachings that God would kill or hurt whoever speaks against their falsehood, me I am not deceived. That’s how they have used lies to hold people like you in bondage and subjugation!
@@davidchukwu3859 Taah! I say shut up! I will shout it loud that these men are deceiving people with the way they are twisting the truth of God’s Word for monetary gain. If they have deceived you with false teachings that God would kill or hurt whoever speaks against their falsehood, me I am not deceived. That’s how they have used lies to hold people like you in bondage and subjugation!
I must give it to Aromeosayi, the way he tells lies with confidence is surprising but his comments prove that he doesn’t know what he’s saying. Melchizedek is not Jesus Read hebrews 7:3: without father or mother, without genealogy without beginning of days or end of life, RESEMBLING THE SON OF GOD….
If Melchizedek is Jesus then why does he still “RESEMBLE JESUS”?
It was Melchizedek that took tithes from Abraham not Jesus and Christians are not called to Honour Melchizedek. We are called to Honour Jesus. We are to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith and not unto Melchizedek. I have no business with him.
Now even if we were to agree that Melchizedek is eternal and tithing is eternal, do you know that heaven and earth will be destroyed one day? And new ones created? So are you telling me that in the new heaven and new earth we will be buying and selling and there will be Naira and dollar? A new heaven and earth where everything we need will be supplied by God for free? Do you see how erroneous Arome’s teachings are?
Okay let’s imagine that people are still paying tithes to Melchizedek in heaven. How are they sending the money there?
When the Bible says we brought nothing into this world and will take nothing out of it. So we met money here and can only use it here?
It can’t be sent into heaven so how is Melchizedek getting it up there?
Arome and David Ogbueli are very good at cooking 🧑🍳 up lies
Open your eyes 👀 my people ❤
See the teachings of Zac Poomen regarding tithing
I respect Apostle Arome but I must disagree with some of his teachings
It doesn't matter what you believe, and no one cares about what you believe, for that's your opinion, but as for the rest of us here, he is with a big 100% correct .
@@nakatopatricia4917I don’t agree don’t add me to you “Rest of us” Arome is lying and so is Ogbueli. Jesus and his apostles didn’t tithe Arome and David can not know more than them