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Considering Icahn has been destroying Publicly traded companies for his personal profit for decades, it couldn't happen to a better person. He has been destroying companies and careers for almost a half century. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he is left bankrupt and it destroys his health.
The corporate raiders(Icahn) who use Leverage buyouts(LBO's), loading debt onto firms, selling off parts, sending them into bankruptcy in most cases. They changed their names currently to Private equity groups and some venture capital firms. It's designed to enrich themselves, at expense to everyone else, except insiders, sometimes shareholders.
I think that billionaires worry everyday that they will never repeat their initial success. This ultimately drives them into a bankruptcy through a series of poorly executed ideas.
Carl DESERVES TO go broke if you've heard from employees of companies how he's gutted them out to be left with the only new employees being drug addicts and people in bad circumstances who desperately needed ANY job. They get a valuation boost but ARE RUINED in terms of having a reasonable job there and the customers having the job done properly. That's what happened to pep boys. And likely all the others
Pure stock price manipulation by hedge funds. Icahn owns 85% of the outstanding shares. If the 15% of the remaining shares sold, how does 15% tank the stock price over 50%. Wut?
If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance,but if you want to make your money work for you...prevent inflation
That's what the juicy dividends are for. Too keep the suckers in. But I agree that this scumbaggery isn't strictly a Ponzi; as it seems more "sophisticated" than the average shadiness. It may end up going down in history as an "Ichan scheme"
One of the key components of a ponzi scheme is you're unable to withdraw all your money at one time. You're stuck. When it collapses, you can't get out. IEP is a public stock. You can sell at anytime. Raising capital and paying dividends isn't a ponzi scheme. If Icahn borrowed from a bank and paid dividends, would that be a ponzi scheme? It might not be smart but it's definitely not a ponzi scheme. Words have meanings. Call it disingenuous or a fraud if you want, but saying something is "ponzi-like" is just trying to smear a reputation. Hindenburg is not the good guy here. They just want to manipulate to make money. No different than everyone else in Wallstreet.
Icahn won a shoot out on Herbalife against Pershing Square's Bill Ackman. Even Icahn can't escape John Maynard Keynes' mantra: markets will remain irrational longer than the investor can remain liquid 2 meet margin call
Here’s my question: how is a short seller allowed to publicly release a report that can be a self fulfilling prophecy? Even if Icahn is completely above board, doing this could cause the crash, instead of fundamentals causing the crash. Especially with a majority shareholder that has secured collateral loans using the stock.
Hindenburg is financially incentivized, the SEC isn’t. Great example of how capitalism is a greater motivating force to get things done than love for one’s country.
Thats just how exchanges have always worked - hedge funds don't short stocks on a whim - they do their research and find out who is full of it or cheating. Without short sellers every stock would go up all the time without exception.
I hate this guy. All he knows how to do is buy companies with borrowed money, then strip-mine the company for all its assets before parachuting out with a percentage of the proceeds. He’s never created *anything*.
The market trend can turn around very quickly. In fact, the indexes often switch from a bear market to a bull market when the news is at its worst and the mood of investors is at its lowest point. I read an article of people that grossed profits up to $150k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?
Find a way to take advantage of the current market condition, it seems that we are moving in the same direction as Venezuela and that will not be good for anyone.
You will need a strong FA to help you through the current market turmoil. I've been talking to an advisor for a while now, mostly because I lack the knowledge and energy to deal with these ongoing market conditions. I made more than $220K during this slump, demonstrating that there are more aspects of the market than the average individual is aware of. Having an investing counselor is now the best line of action, especially for those who are close to retiring.
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She appears to be a true authority in her profession. I looked her up online and found her website, which I browsed and went through to learn more about her credentials, academic background, and career. She owes me a fiduciary duty to act in my best interests. I set up an appointment to use her services.
This isn't so much a "Ponzi scheme" as, if the allegations prove true, an "Icahn scheme". It astounds me that nobody else picked up on the leverage due to valuation based on a mere 15% of shareholders. Why would any sane bank give him that much margin? Just the name "Icahn" I guess ...
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@@MrGravity304 My wife and I were following this same trajectory. Last two years, I pulled out my money and invested with her wealth manager. Not catching up with her profits over the years, but at least I earn more. Haha.
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I grew to a 7 figure well-diversified portfolio. I only buy quality firms, anticipate to hold them regardless of what happens, pay up but not too much, keep track, sell only when necessary, and be ready to course correct. also ignore the forecasts and market views which are at best entertaining but completely useless. ever grateful to Trisha Jean Webb my F.A... she is super helpful to a lot of beginners out there.
I have said this many times. To be a multi millionaire or a billionaire it’s impossible to get there being on the straight and narrow. You have to lie, steal ,cheat and hope you don’t get caught to be at the top. The sooner you realize this the better off you will be in whatever your current situation is.
Hindenburg is gaining some serious trust points. I dont think anyone in his or her right mind would do anything to jeopardize that Also, Hindenburg itself is basically a stock trader which makes me think: what they know that we dont know, that they haven't shared with us yet Even if Icahn doesn't actively operate a Ponzi scheme, his "money management" styles/methods could resemble one, even if it's temporary! Lets not forget this is a corporate raider, not a trader! I wouldn't be shocked if we see that he did this. Just because you can dismantle a company and/or turn it around, doesn't mean you're gonna be a good fund manager 😅
I imagine Hindenburg has positioned themselves long before they release any report. Meaning that they are either accelerating the inevitable decline or they need to cash some of their position out, so they at least put a short term wiggle in the stock to take profits in and then keep their wider position in place. Either way, they probably don't know much more than we do, they see an anomaly in the 10K and then do work to verify it. I think if one of us had the ability to do this, we could easily repeat what they are doing.
I personally do not like these billionaire origin fables. How it is from rags to riches and how it was all ingenuity... in most cases people get lucky and/or unscrupulous. For instance: increasing shareholder value is almost always at the expense of the company's products and screwing over its customers. Forced obsolescence/unrepairability/infuriating lack of support/reduced service/legal shenanigans/patent trolling/etc. all increase shareholder value.
MOST rich people stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without stopping then most poor people stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich but impressing them
Musk has a fanbase because he does cool things. They ignore things like P/E. His problem is that he says things, publicly, he shouldn't. Hindenburg doesn't have to do anything except short Musk stock and wait for him to shoot himself in the foot.
Corporate raiding and trading speculative assets are completely different businesses. Seems to me like he made the switch with too much size to walk back.
Lmao rags to riches. His family was well off. In 1968 he got from his uncle just a small loan of $400,000.00 or $3,507,000.00 in todays dollars to start his fund. Yeah truly rags to riches. Just a small loan of a few million from family.
All these financial thing should be banned!!! The financial system should base only the real economy and nobody should not able to leverage the system and play with money!!! If they want to play, they should go casino. The short selling should be banned, because it does not serve the economy purpose at all!!! Too much garbage on the system, all that need to be cleaned out!!! There goes massive amount greedy fat people to jail on wall street...they are deserved all that
In addition to the unusual financial scheme to pay dividends, investors get diluted because Icahn owns more and more of the company through the stock dividend.
In business the terms of transactions are usually determined by the least ethical person participating: if you have 2 companies that make the same thing and company A goes over seas while company B believes that the people will buy domestic for more money. In short order only company A exists and anyone else looking to be in that field, must go overseas. So it's not possible to do a substantial amount of business without competing and winning over more or equally unethical people as yourself.
A cash dividend is a cash dividend. Just because Icahn takes his payment in stock doesn’t mean the cash doesn’t exist on paper. Edit: well I guess if you control the company completely and are willing to be fraudulent you can. You take the dividend in shares and then sell those shares for profit. If that’s the case…..yikes
Many private equity funds aimed for 85% debt and 15% equity (ratios varied over the years). One might ask if Ichan just was running a similar program via a 15% public (perpetual) equity program. But Ichan is not a bank lender but rather has an odd intermediary position which I am not following. This one is interesting and merits a part 2 IMHO.
I'm a buyer at $15.60 avg X 900 shares. If it hits $15 again I'll pick up another 100 shares. It's either going to $40 by 4/30/25 or be taken private $15-$18 by then. Hoping for the $40.
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So he trades O.P.M., His own money, has a public traded company listed on the stock market which he owns 85% of the stock. Wow......when is enough enough?
Hindenburg is a saint. At least THEY take some effort and walk a mile to get behind the scams. Yes, they get money out of it, but so try others without lifting a hand!
I would like “Millennial” to do a whopping story on how bad/good Icahn did to America itself! Honestly, making “money” work better is good, right? Killing good stuff like jobs is bad. So how did we, er, “the people” make out over the last 50 years … including the Middle people, and the Little people.
Interestingly, I owned shares of this stock a while ago due to the dividend, but then got out because it didn’t make any sense and I thought something f*cky was going on. Turns out, I should’ve done more research and shorted the stock 🤷♂️
The HINDENBURG report... really you can’t make this stuff up... crash and burn baby crash and burn! It almost seems like Icahn has had his card marked.
Well we in India all saw what hindenberg is. A hit-n-run mercenary. They should be behind bars and here you are making video based on their mercenary operations. Well done
What goes around. Finally comes around. When this scandal is over. If he does not get jail and pays some billion dollar fines. There will be plenty of bankers to back his next target.
Shenanigans aside, a short seller writes a negative article and gets what they want in the form of a price decline. Icahn might be dirty, but the short seller manipulated the price of the stock for their own benefit.
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Icahn't
Hindenburg is right. Not the first time they've called shenanigans. Markopolis was the first to call out Madoff but nobody listened
Considering Icahn has been destroying Publicly traded companies for his personal profit for decades, it couldn't happen to a better person. He has been destroying companies and careers for almost a half century. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he is left bankrupt and it destroys his health.
Liquidating. Not necessarily destroying.
The corporate raiders(Icahn) who use Leverage buyouts(LBO's), loading debt onto firms, selling off parts, sending them into bankruptcy in most cases. They changed their names currently to Private equity groups and some venture capital firms. It's designed to enrich themselves, at expense to everyone else, except insiders, sometimes shareholders.
@@vincentorlando6767 LBOs were one of the worst ideas ever allowed to exist.
It's not just LBOs, guys. It's the idea of allowing private companies to do whatever they want. Deregulation ! Duh !!
All of the elites will be stripped of their wealth and destroyed. This is only the beginning. Their plans are back-firing in their faces.
I think that billionaires worry everyday that they will never repeat their initial success. This ultimately drives them into a bankruptcy through a series of poorly executed ideas.
Basically every tech bro turned billionaire story, too. Cough zuck cough.
@@bmeht Couldn't agree more.
They never learn to live within their means. Even if your means are in tens of millions.
Carl DESERVES TO go broke if you've heard from employees of companies how he's gutted them out to be left with the only new employees being drug addicts and people in bad circumstances who desperately needed ANY job. They get a valuation boost but ARE RUINED in terms of having a reasonable job there and the customers having the job done properly. That's what happened to pep boys. And likely all the others
Pure stock price manipulation by hedge funds. Icahn owns 85% of the outstanding shares. If the 15% of the remaining shares sold, how does 15% tank the stock price over 50%. Wut?
The 15% sold off with no buyers, unless icahn supports the price by buying everything, price will fall
If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance,but if you want to make your money work for you...prevent inflation
How can a public stock be a ponzi scheme? You can get your money out at any time...🤔
That's what the juicy dividends are for. Too keep the suckers in.
But I agree that this scumbaggery isn't strictly a Ponzi; as it seems more "sophisticated" than the average shadiness. It may end up going down in history as an "Ichan scheme"
Did you watch the video?
@9:41
One of the key components of a ponzi scheme is you're unable to withdraw all your money at one time. You're stuck. When it collapses, you can't get out.
IEP is a public stock. You can sell at anytime.
Raising capital and paying dividends isn't a ponzi scheme. If Icahn borrowed from a bank and paid dividends, would that be a ponzi scheme? It might not be smart but it's definitely not a ponzi scheme.
Words have meanings. Call it disingenuous or a fraud if you want, but saying something is "ponzi-like" is just trying to smear a reputation.
Hindenburg is not the good guy here. They just want to manipulate to make money. No different than everyone else in Wallstreet.
@@bradb.8594 That's why Hindenburg called it "Ponzi-like".
Nice to hear......... hope the FEDs win.
Respectable? Lol the guy is the inspiration for Gordon Gecko...
man.. what a fall it must be from being a billionaire down to running a ponzi to lift yourself out of your losses.
No such thing as "true wealth and real rich person"....too good to be true, regardless!
And some politicians suggest ordinary people put their retirement funds in this garbage?
They did? Who?
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Who TF gets accused of running a ponzi scheme that's NOT running a ponzi scheme?! =/
He ruined airline employees retirement... he is what the movie WALL STREET greed is good tona certain extent.. glad to see him loose some billions
Icahn won a shoot out on Herbalife against Pershing Square's Bill Ackman. Even Icahn can't escape John Maynard Keynes' mantra: markets will remain irrational longer than the investor can remain liquid 2 meet margin call
Here’s my question: how is a short seller allowed to publicly release a report that can be a self fulfilling prophecy? Even if Icahn is completely above board, doing this could cause the crash, instead of fundamentals causing the crash. Especially with a majority shareholder that has secured collateral loans using the stock.
Musk has complained about this and this is exactly how meme stocks took off in 2021.
Capitalism cannot have a single check and balance because it will cause instability huh?
Sounds like an amazing monetary system.
Exactly my thought!
Love of money is the Root of all evil.
I find this amusing when you look at the American national debt - pot/kettle black sound familiar?
Everyone wants to trash the man. He’s doing what people pay him to do! Stop being greedy.
That is true? Heard he still has a lot of money.
Ah, gee. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person.
He's not a hedge fund manager
Markers can remain irrational longer than you cak remain insolvent
Check his IE value.
He lived long enough to undo all the successful work of his entire lifetime.
Will he get the same cell that Madoff occupied?
No one is above the table?
I have invested, and will invest?
does that make Hindenburg, John Wick?
Hindenberg have a reliable track record.
Not a “ponzi” an “Icahn scheme”
He is good friends of a former president. Wondering who taught who how to be a sleeze ball.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella..!!! Being sarcastic, of course.
He isn’t alone losing money on his stocks 😢
Only If you sell them .
Feeling sad for you. This is why brokerage account are so helpful. Sell it within seconds
0:20 This guy looks like Richardo Maldobam
Ricardo Mantalban? Khan, Mr. Roarke, the grandpa from Spy Kids, all that?
I mean, you're not wrong.
@@robertbeisert3315 Yes. I misspelled his name.
3:08 *Intro and Advertisement Ends*
He's a Corporate Raider, no tears lost on him
It's amazing that a private company (Hindenberg) has to literally do the work the SEC is supposed to be doing. 😖
Hindenburg is financially incentivized, the SEC isn’t. Great example of how capitalism is a greater motivating force to get things done than love for one’s country.
Thats just how exchanges have always worked - hedge funds don't short stocks on a whim - they do their research and find out who is full of it or cheating. Without short sellers every stock would go up all the time without exception.
@@YoungMoneyInvestmentsthe rich lobby politicians to defunf the SEC and the IRS, so they can't get caught committing financial crimes
@@YoungMoneyInvestments , or the government of the US in terms of finance policing is just inept.
How hard is it to do a few favors for senior SEC employees? What do you want? ;)
Activist? The TWA story makes him seem like a parasite that eventually killed its host.
Parasite indeed. The parasite business plan is a pretty popular one in New York.
No, activist investor.
I hate this guy. All he knows how to do is buy companies with borrowed money, then strip-mine the company for all its assets before parachuting out with a percentage of the proceeds. He’s never created *anything*.
Icahn is a green mailer, a raider, nothing more. Activist investor is an oxymoron for what he does.
That's just branding due to his influence in the markets n media. People like him give a bad rep to real activist investors
Icahn’t believe he’s been allowed to manage his investment firm in such a dubious way
Icahn believe it was allowed to happen.
I see what you did there
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Find a way to take advantage of the current market condition, it seems that we are moving in the same direction as Venezuela and that will not be good for anyone.
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This could not happen to a more deserving man, I hope he looses every cent he had.
he will still exit with millions and live comfortably till he dies....
It’s lose not loose. Loose lips sink ships. You lose money in the stock market.
@@confusedzentradi Thank you for the correction,
This isn't so much a "Ponzi scheme" as, if the allegations prove true, an "Icahn scheme".
It astounds me that nobody else picked up on the leverage due to valuation based on a mere 15% of shareholders. Why would any sane bank give him that much margin?
Just the name "Icahn" I guess ...
Old boys club. Almost certainly Icahn was golfing with more than a few banking execs.
Rename to Ichan't
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I have said this many times. To be a multi millionaire or a billionaire it’s impossible to get there being on the straight and narrow. You have to lie, steal ,cheat and hope you don’t get caught to be at the top. The sooner you realize this the better off you will be in whatever your current situation is.
Exactly. Most people do not have any idea that one only becomes a centi millionaire or billionaire because of policy or inherited wealth or both.
“Behind every great fortune is a great crime” : Honoré de Balzac.
@@CarFreeSegnitz Yup.
Man, I knew it. That's what they all do. None of them can fool me with the guise of philanthropy they try to pull over people's eyes.
Just because you can't become one, doesn't mean everyone who did it cheated. It is pathetic to think that.
Hindenburg is gaining some serious trust points. I dont think anyone in his or her right mind would do anything to jeopardize that
Also, Hindenburg itself is basically a stock trader which makes me think: what they know that we dont know, that they haven't shared with us yet
Even if Icahn doesn't actively operate a Ponzi scheme, his "money management" styles/methods could resemble one, even if it's temporary!
Lets not forget this is a corporate raider, not a trader! I wouldn't be shocked if we see that he did this. Just because you can dismantle a company and/or turn it around, doesn't mean you're gonna be a good fund manager 😅
I imagine Hindenburg has positioned themselves long before they release any report.
Meaning that they are either accelerating the inevitable decline or they need to cash some of their position out, so they at least put a short term wiggle in the stock to take profits in and then keep their wider position in place.
Either way, they probably don't know much more than we do, they see an anomaly in the 10K and then do work to verify it.
I think if one of us had the ability to do this, we could easily repeat what they are doing.
I personally do not like these billionaire origin fables. How it is from rags to riches and how it was all ingenuity... in most cases people get lucky and/or unscrupulous. For instance: increasing shareholder value is almost always at the expense of the company's products and screwing over its customers. Forced obsolescence/unrepairability/infuriating lack of support/reduced service/legal shenanigans/patent trolling/etc. all increase shareholder value.
MOST rich people stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without stopping then most poor people stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich but impressing them
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This...does bring a smile to my face 😊
I’m sure it brings Bill Ackman an even bigger smile.
@@av_oid I share that with him. That's how I came to know about Carl Icahn - while reading about Herbalife.
Why would anybody invest in a company that offers a 15% dividend in the first place.
Greed, lack of experience, and/or lack of DD
He is 87 years old, so even if he is found guilty he already had all the fun
Prosecution now is just a question of who’s gonna pay the nurse who wipes his ass until he checks out. Hopefully not the taxpayers .
There won't be as much for his heirs after all this.
Why isn’t the SEC finding these things? That is what they are getting paid isn’t it?
Just from what he did to TWA, I hope he loses his money, its called Karma coming back around.
Hopefully Hindenburg will take on Musk
Musk has a fanbase because he does cool things. They ignore things like P/E. His problem is that he says things, publicly, he shouldn't. Hindenburg doesn't have to do anything except short Musk stock and wait for him to shoot himself in the foot.
He looks exactly like the evil corp CEO from mr robot o.o
It's all in the name : I Con
Investing like life is where you could have a 99.9% winning percentage and still lose.
Thats what happens when you're leveraged up.
You should never borrow. You should Drs never sell or in the hands of brokers
Corporate raiding and trading speculative assets are completely different businesses. Seems to me like he made the switch with too much size to walk back.
I had a good friend who worked for TWA for many years. According to her their pensions were swallowed up in the sale to Icahn as well.
are we supposed to take the feds involvement seriously? the same feds who regulated madoff?
This was an incredible breakdown!
"No one is above the Market." Reminds me of John Wick, "No one is above the Table/High Council". LOL.
The fraud is in the name, I CON.
Lmao rags to riches. His family was well off. In 1968 he got from his uncle just a small loan of $400,000.00 or $3,507,000.00 in todays dollars to start his fund. Yeah truly rags to riches. Just a small loan of a few million from family.
Haha! I love it! Burn baby burn! Keep it up son! BOOOOM!!!!!! Hahahaha. Going doooooooown! Kapow!
All these financial thing should be banned!!! The financial system should base only the real economy and nobody should not able to leverage the system and play with money!!! If they want to play, they should go casino. The short selling should be banned, because it does not serve the economy purpose at all!!! Too much garbage on the system, all that need to be cleaned out!!! There goes massive amount greedy fat people to jail on wall street...they are deserved all that
Will Bill AcKman short IEP? Bill it is time to revenge on what Icahn did to you.
In addition to the unusual financial scheme to pay dividends, investors get diluted because Icahn owns more and more of the company through the stock dividend.
Excellent and clear analysis.
Sounds like how Trump estimates his properties’ values …
Why would you do this at 87 with a net worth of Billions? This is outwards symptoms of some serious internal issues.
exactly. Quit while you are ahead.
Greed
He wasn't 87 when he started his failed short position 7 years ago. One last gamble that backfired.
Exactly
@@Crypto_Circus He was 80
It does seem 99% of billionaires are in some way "unethical" at the very least.
In business the terms of transactions are usually determined by the least ethical person participating: if you have 2 companies that make the same thing and company A goes over seas while company B believes that the people will buy domestic for more money. In short order only company A exists and anyone else looking to be in that field, must go overseas. So it's not possible to do a substantial amount of business without competing and winning over more or equally unethical people as yourself.
A cash dividend is a cash dividend. Just because Icahn takes his payment in stock doesn’t mean the cash doesn’t exist on paper.
Edit: well I guess if you control the company completely and are willing to be fraudulent you can. You take the dividend in shares and then sell those shares for profit. If that’s the case…..yikes
In short , he's finally been caught doing shady shit that he's been doing all along and he's not as smart as he wants you to believe he is .
what goes around comes around
Many private equity funds aimed for 85% debt and 15% equity (ratios varied over the years). One might ask if Ichan just was running a similar program via a 15% public (perpetual) equity program. But Ichan is not a bank lender but rather has an odd intermediary position which I am not following.
This one is interesting and merits a part 2 IMHO.
I'm taking Icahn's side. Makes me wonder how much money Hindenburg has at stake.
He doesn't sound like a great investor.
Karma is a B!!!! Thank you Hindenburg!!
I'm a buyer at $15.60 avg X 900 shares. If it hits $15 again I'll pick up another 100 shares. It's either going to $40 by 4/30/25 or be taken private $15-$18 by then. Hoping for the $40.
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So he trades O.P.M., His own money, has a public traded company listed on the stock market which he owns 85% of the stock.
Wow......when is enough enough?
The answer to most such questions is... LUCK and GREED !
Hindenburg is a saint. At least THEY take some effort and walk a mile to get behind the scams. Yes, they get money out of it, but so try others without lifting a hand!
I would like “Millennial” to do a whopping story on how bad/good Icahn did to America itself! Honestly, making “money” work better is good, right? Killing good stuff like jobs is bad. So how did we, er, “the people” make out over the last 50 years … including the Middle people, and the Little people.
I’m just gonna binge watch this entire channel, I can’t help it. I love all of these stories, so interesting and scandalous
Interestingly, I owned shares of this stock a while ago due to the dividend, but then got out because it didn’t make any sense and I thought something f*cky was going on.
Turns out, I should’ve done more research and shorted the stock 🤷♂️
The HINDENBURG report... really you can’t make this stuff up... crash and burn baby crash and burn! It almost seems like Icahn has had his card marked.
Well we in India all saw what hindenberg is. A hit-n-run mercenary. They should be behind bars and here you are making video based on their mercenary operations. Well done
"if you want a friend at wall street get a dog " - carl ichan
"You better use one of your dog friends" -bill ackman 🤣
What goes around. Finally comes around. When this scandal is over. If he does not get jail and pays some billion dollar fines. There will be plenty of bankers to back his next target.
Man, what is up wit these names mab. Forst, it was Bernie Made-off with lots of money. Now, Carl I-con for living. 😅😅😅
Another high flying New Yorker currently running for President may have a valuation problem with his office towers and rents they bring in. I
Maybe they should have followed Warren Buffet & Charlie Munger? There basic rule of life is be honest, moral, ethical.
Shenanigans aside, a short seller writes a negative article and gets what they want in the form of a price decline. Icahn might be dirty, but the short seller manipulated the price of the stock for their own benefit.
He is not a Crown loyalist Episcopalian, therefore susceptible to Pilgrims Society members looting him.