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Muad'dib Blessed The Rains Down In Arrakis
I cackled at this comment.
Which will destroy the spice....
Lynch unloaded a bit about this movie in a book called “Room to Dream” a few years ago. Basically Dino di Laurentiis threw a big pile of money at him and romanced him into making this with visions of globetrotting, glamorous moviemaking on a grand scale. Who wouldn’t be convinced, especially at such an early point in his career?
Lynch wasn’t a sci-if guy but the idea of this kind of world building lit his fires in a major way and he really liked “Dune” once he read it. Before this movie happened, Lynch was asked to direct “Return of the Jedi” but he didn’t want to play in George Lucas’ sandbox when he could play in his own. Long story short, Lynch was committed to the project before he realized that Dino was not at all interested in what Lynch was interested in about “Dune” so the whole project became about keeping Dino happy because he was the money, a situation Lynch had never found himself in before. Lynch said Dino would hire all these great people and then squeeze them to save cash and this was most obvious in special effects - Dino didn’t wanna pay a lot for shit like that. Dino was old school - he’d happily shell out for huge sets and casts of thousands, but not for grubby, hairy, little men playing with models. Lynch kind of swallowed most of his issues with what was happening. The only major overt disagreement he had with Dino was that everything had to be lit too brightly for his taste ‘cuz Dino was thinking about home video, which didn’t reproduce dark, moody photography very well.
Lynch got to cast all sorts of great actors and work with loads of great designers, but Dino didn’t want “Dune” as much as he wanted his own “Star Wars” franchise so Lynch and his collaborators had to add some zapping ray guns so there could be a big action finale and do other things that moved it closer to George Lucas and away from Frank Herbert. Randomly raining at the end was something they had to do to please Dino - what’s the point of he giving your lead character magical superpowers if he doesn’t change the world before the end credits? Seems to me Lynch originally wanted to tell the story in two movies as well but Dino wouldn’t have it. Nobody was doing that back then except George Lucas and he only got “Empire” to end so inconclusively by paying for it all himself. Lynch was not fired during post at all. He arrived at a three hour cut he felt okay about but Dino and Universal insisted on a two hour and seventeen minute running time so all sorts of non-action stuff came out. Apparently Lynch hated that whole process, but he wasn’t in a position to say no - better he do it himself than let Dino and his minions do it. Yeah, Thufir pretty much got cut out of the movie after the cat scene - they shot a self sacrificial death scene in the final sequence for him but it got yanked for time. A lot got yanked for time. Lynch said he was writing a script for “Dune 2” until the reviews flayed them all alive. Apparently there’s a documentary made in the ‘90s that has Dino say on camera that they destroyed “Dune” in the editing room.
So Lynch had a horrible time making “Dune” and resolved to never make a movie under those circumstances again. But it wasn’t a total disaster because he remained on good enough terms with Dino and his company that they financed “Blue Velvet” a few years later and nobody else was going to do that, so it all worked out in the end. 😊
LATER - The other thing about making it rain on Arrakis is that all that water is gonna kill all the worms and ***SPOILER ALERT, MAYBE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NEW MOVIE DOES WITH THIS END OF THINGS*** without worms there's no spice and no interstellar travel. So Paul's just taken over the known universe and I guess is emperor now, and the first thing he does is fuck his empire up completely. Herbert told a much longer-term story about making Arrakis green over the course of the next several books he wrote but it took place over centuries and didn't involve suddenly making magic superpower rain. Someone wanted a 'wow' ending for this movie.
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing this! Very articulate and explains so much of the situation. And yes, I fully agree with the last paragraph about the long term remaking of the planet rather than a deus ex monsoon that basically destroys their entire ecosystem, lol!
Thanks again and cheers!!
-Emily
I'm not sure how accurate everything in this post is. The "ray guns" were probably introduced to the script because at the time there was no way to put the weirding way on screen without it looking silly. The rain at the end is thematically similar to the ending Jodorowsky wanted to do - both are ways of literalizing Paul's Messianic nature in a cinematic format. Also, I'm not sure Lynch was forced to overlight it, considering I remember a lot of people at the time said it was a very dark movie visually.
@@ThreadBomb I grant that David Lynch might not be the most reliable narrator. “Room to Dream” presents everything with one chapter by a co-writer that is very fact-heavy and well attributed followed by a chapter from Lynch where he responds, often saying he does not remember large chunks of the events at all but I never got the impression he was playing games. I’m willing to take what he says in it with a grain of salt - there’s a sense of Lynch wanting to set the record straight, up to a point, since he’s got fewer days in front of him than behind him. He doesn’t blame anyone for anything and shoulders responsibility for “Dune” himself, which makes me believe him.
Lynch mentioned the lighting (darking?) specifically. It’s not like they got into screaming matches on the set, Dino would be standing there and ask for the scene to be brighter and Lynch had to go along, Dino being the money. Dino built all these huge sets, he damn’ well wanted to see them - Lynch liked the sets too, so he made himself okay with it. “Dune” looks like it takes place in a Walmart compared to some of Lynch’s later films, the darker scenes, anyway. I’m thinking of “Lost Highway” and “Mulholland Drive” in particular.
I still don’t think making it rain was a good idea, either as a story wrap up or in the universe of the movie. Maybe if Jodorowsky’s approach was a less literal one than Lynch’s film it might have been okay? No way to know - Jodorowsky did storyboard the whole movie as he saw it but I can’t imagine he would have stuck to that religiously as his shoot and edit proceeded. But with Paul cheerfully accepting his new role as a god (Dino and most other mainstream producers would have pushed back against a self doubting hero in a film this size in the ’80s - that’s just not how Hollywood rolled) a viewer who knows nothing but what he’s just seen is probably ready to sign up and be a Kwisatz Haderach himself - I mean, if it’s that or being a Jedi…. That seems contrary to what Herbert was about, if that has any importance in the grand scheme of things. Paul has a rough road ahead of him over the course of the next couple books.
A reviewer I follow said that he wishes Lynch had been given the opportunity to remake his film entirely in his image, and let it be as opaque and narratively wild as he wanted. Universal did ask him to come back and make the extended version for TV but he declined and they proceeded without him, for better or worse. Lynch spent a paragraph on the idea of going back to it, wondering if something along the lines of what he wanted to do exists in the footage he shot but he was not eager to dig all that up again. Lynch takes himself to task for willingly proceeding after he recognized that as things were pleasing Dino was more important than making a great movie - or rather, what Lynch did had to align with Dino’s definition of a great movie, not his own. Characteristically, Lynch took it as a learning experience that he’s glad he had while he was young.
A different filmmaker might have made a movie about the weirding way and created a new form of martial arts and made it all about the philosophy that goes with it but Lynch was not that guy (intricately choreographed fight scenes do not seem to be an interest of his) and di Laurentiis wouldn’t have been down for anything beyond the awesome fight scenes. The “weirding modules” had to have been intended to be part of a line of toys for kids - merchandising would have been a concern in the wake of “Star Wars” never mind that “Dune” is NOT for kids. Dino could ballyhoo and muster large sums of cash and be that kind of producer as well as anyone but he does not seem to have been a deep thinker. I’ve always thought there was room for more than one take on this story and now we’re about to have four - well, three and a half. Someone like Carroll Ballard could make something about the ecology alone. I was answering “Dune” questions from a friend of mine who doesn’t read and he got all excited when I touched on how in the universe of the book there was a catastrophic revolution against any kind of artificial intelligence at some point (something along those lines) which makes spice as an aid for mentats and Guild navigators that much more crucial and he got all excited about that, but I didn’t have any details in my head so he’s gonna have to pick up a book if he wants to learn more. Talk about ‘cinematic universes’, this series of books could feed a whole set of sequels, prequels, and sidequels easily - not that I’m holding my breath for that.
Sidebar about Jessica - dude-oriented Hollywood of the ‘80s would not have been interested in a mother’s story at all, not in a big budget attempt to make another “Star Wars.” Maybe if Luke Skywalker’s mom had been around and gone with him and the rest to Alderaan and taken part in destroying the Death Star Jessica’s fascinating and rather moving (I think) story might have had a shot but it was never gonna happen then. Major narrative surgery would have been required to dramatize it as most of the juicy bits happen before the point Herbert chose to begin his book and that would have had people squawking, but it could be done. Maybe if they could have gotten Sigourney Weaver to play Jessica and have her fight off hoards of ravening Guild navigators with a flamethrower? Reviewers of the new version (and I’m not sure I’ve read an article that seemed like it was written by someone who knew anything) suggest that Rebecca Ferguson is given a lot to do and they’ve said encouraging things about her part of the story being well done, so we’ll see. I hope so.
@@JustSUMMReactions Hey, it’s always a pleasure to burble on endlessly about stuff on the internet! You guys are a lot of fun to watch and you seem to be in this for the fun of it, which is not always the case with reactors. I’m old now and most of my friends sit down in front of a movie literally saying, “Okay, let’s see how much this sucks.” If you guys ever lose the joy you obviously derive from doing this, do yourselves a favor and find something else to do. Life’s too short to be that fecking miserable. ☺️
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Plus the movie ending subverted the whole point of the novel. Muad'dib wasn't bringing peace. He had ridden the tiger of religious fanaticism to power and now he couldn't get off it. The Fremen were about to rage across the galaxy and kill billions in his name.
The pugs were a shorthand for establishing "royalty" but I like the idea more of battle pugs.
Now that comic series is a blast from the past :)
Chairdogs!
Instead of Paul, we have Pug Moadib(and it survived in the desert for the years between the Harkonnen attack and the Barons death! All those years! Lol. Guess it was having some spice too. :P )
The History Guy, has a good video about the history of pugs, and their rebellious subversive subtext.
You're a Kakashi fan, aren't you?
I'm impressed, DUNE is NOT an easy read at all.
the sci-fi version of War and Peace.
Yup. Started the first book near the beginning of the summer, but slowed done around the halfway point.
I tried reading them once…. It was a very frustrating hard book to chew…
I got the audiobooks of the two prequel series his son wrote and thought they were a little better (with subtle sounds to hype the dialogue) but even the. It could be frustrating when it took 5 minutes to process 10 seconds on inner monologue of a single character
Dune is as easy a read as any book, as long as you don’t have ADHD.
@@andrewjacksonbr Edgy kid detected.
No Movie can stand up to the " Movie" in Your Head when You read a Book , but imho they did a fantastic Job for the Time
They completely changed the story. How can that be fantastic? You set a very low bar for "fantastic". If you make a "bad" version of a book. A for effort. If you make a really "bad" version of a completely altered version of a book. No mercy is warranted.
The film was a box office and critical disappointment ,making $37 million dollars against a $40-45 million dollar budget. It was also called 'one of the worst scifi movies ever made." Yet it has gained a cult following since then.
Every time I see someone say the "worst movie ever made" about something like this, I remember that Leonard Maltin gave a better grade to a complete cheesy low-budget turkey than he gave to Blade Runner. Sometimes, critics are just bafflingly weird. And any universe where people call this version of Dune (which isn't good! I mean, that's not wrong!) worse than the sf movies by Coleman Francis? No. Just...no.
Yes, in it’s release, I saw it in the theaters and also read the book 5 years before the movie and bought the hard book after the movie to re-read it again cus I gave my paper back to somebody, I also did also buy the music album, the VHS followed by the DVD. So they got my money.
@Necramonium I saw it as a kid and understood it fine. They do explain everything; you just have to pay attention, especially during the first 15 minutes.
I love that this both grossed more money than any other David Lynch movie and lost more money than any other David Lynch movie.
Tbf 80’s Dune is an objectively bad film - but just because it is doesn’t mean you can’t justifiably love it.
As a long time fan of Lynch’s adaptation, I recommend checking out the 3 hour long Spice Diver fan edit.
It reintroduces a lot of the scenes which were cut; Paul’s fight with Jamie, the collecting of the water of life, Thufir’s death etc etc. It also has a slightly different introduction & a few editing changes.
It’s probably as close as we’ll ever get to Lynch’s vision.
Dune was filmed in Mexico; both in the deserts & on huge sound stages.
For all its faults, the cast is incredible, visually Lynch’s Dune is stunning & the soundtrack is on point.
I randomly met Dean Stockwell in a South London pub several years back & I asked him about his time on Dune.
On a side note: Ive just got hold of the 4K restoration of Dune & it looks stunning!!
Also...the 80s toy of Feyd was planned to be released with the cat in a box as an accessory.
About the Spicediver Edit. I was looking for it on UA-cam and a user named Gabriel Wars did an upscale on the fanedit, as well some fixes on the subtitles. He also explained since most of the deleted footage were in terrible conditions, he tried his best to do a good restoration
@@phantomzone2725 considering the condition the deleted scenes were in, he’s done an incredible job. I love that he’s also introduced three title cards which divide the film into three distinct parts; just like the first Dune novel (something we’re kind of getting with the new adaptation being in two parts).
There is another fan edit out there, called the ‘Third Stage Edition’. I’ve tried to find it online, but I can only find the trailer, so I’m assuming it’s been taken down.
lynch is still the best adaptation of the books.
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"I feel like some changes were made." That is a huge understatement
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props to Emily for reading the book
Twice.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but there exists a 186-Minute-long cut of this film, which was aired on TV during the late 80s. It is somewhat closer to the book, reincluded scenes including the duel with Jamis, a Scene explaining how the Water of Life is made, and a Death Scene for Thufir. And it ends like the Book does, with Shaddam being exiled to Salusa Secundus and the "History will call us wives"-line from Jessica - Paul doesnt let it rain in this Version.
Aka one of my childhood touchstones. I have a DVD of it, theres no Blu ray version though. But yeah, seeing this on TV as a kid.....blew my mind. I had a chance to tell Brad Dourif that his Dune I loved way more than the miniseries version.
The absolute best version of this film was a fan edit called dune redux and it so well done its hard to believe a fan did it by himself. Its extremly hard to find online now though
I downloaded it online as a torrent a while back I think from a site that gave the Fan creator an award. I believe unless it's taken down again, that it is on youtube now, but it might not be in as high resolution as you can get in the torrent or include some of the stuff like the altered trailer, though I'm not poisitive on that. I believe it's the Spice Diver Redux
The fact that it cut out the majority of the damn exposition at the start(I watched the original recently, I had group watched the redux with a meetup group online last year)and it's about ten goddamn minutes of exposition over concept art for the film, lol. Also put in the deleted scenes, like Thufir's death and so forth.
@@phousefilms Was this one found on youtube what you are talking about or something else? Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux [Spice Diver Fan Edit] [ENGLISH+SPANISH SUBTITLES] Because I don't know what you are talking about "The fact that it cut out the majority of the damn exposition at the start" & "and it's about ten goddamn minutes of exposition over concept art for the film, lol."
For the end rain scene I always interpreted that as Paul having folded space and brought a storm from his home world
I like the weirding modules. Cause it never made sense to me to ride in on your battle worm, climb down, then fight in hand to hand combat. Why give up the tactical advantage of distance and height??
And there were definitely scenes cut. If you have a friend that recorded Dune from tv, it is a slightly different version. Like the father of the two boys wanting satisfaction and getting his ass killed and seeing how they get the “water of life”. Lol.
There is an extra scene where Thufur is at the end of the movie. Feyd gives him his blade to kill Paul. Thufur kills himself. That’s why Feyd needs the emperor’s blade.
For all the changes, I LOVE this movie!!
I would LOVE to see a let's play series with Matt playing Skyrim for the first time and Emily mocking, I mean helping, him as a backseat gamer.
Also Dune 2000 if they could get their hands on that one. The missions are cool plus the cut-scenes have pretty good actors in them and they're well made.
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I second this... We NEED this, RIGHT NOW!
Id be interested in watching the absolute snark they would both have
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Dune is a masterpiece. A flawed masterpiece, but a masterpiece nonetheless.
Best way to describe it.
I personally would just categorize it as camp-for-straight-people lol
Straight guy: this move is so bad and crazy but somehow I love it and I can’t stop thinking about it what is this!? Gay person: calm down Barbara it’s just a campy sci fi movie 😂
@@doug3318 ... what?
@@jonathanoriley8260 80’s Dune is to sci fi what Batman & Robin is to superhero movies
@@doug3318 I get that, but the "straight/gay person" thing made no sense...
Frank Herbert had still frame of this movie in his house. From what I've heard, he absolutely loved the cinematography.
Say what you want about the movie otherwise, but the art design is fantastic.
"Where there was war, Muad'Dib would bring peace. Where there was hatred, Muad'Dib would bring love."
"HWHAT?!"
My favorite part of the reaction.
Yep. 'Terrible purpose' became 'and happily ever after'. She definitely had the correct type of reaction for someone familiar with the book.
My favourite was her shrieking "NO!"after the Baron spat into Jessica's face. And her saying "Hated it in the book and hated it here."when the Baron was doing his whole "evil homosexual"thing from the book(thank god they took it out of the new one.)
6:41 They did indeed shoot the Arrakis desert scenes in the desert in northern Mexico. For filming they had to manualy remove all plants and rocks from several square kilometres of the filming area, which had the effect of raising the local temperature from the 40s into the 50s celsius (from about 110 t0 125 F) and those fellers were in rubber suits...
Despite the differences between the book & movie, this is such a good movie.
Yes it is difference Frank Herbert mini series are much more acurrate
Not a bad movie, but bad Dune.
I disagree. I hated this movie
I saw this in 1984 with my dad and I still love the film today. It's impossible to fit Dune into a single movie but I appreciate David Lynch's attempt. The production value was awesome! Thanks for watching the film. You guys are awesome for reading the book beforehand. 😀👍
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Saw this when it came out at 8 years old, then asked my Mom to buy me the book. This movie's style is what I picture when I read a "Dune" book to this day.
What a rare and wonderful thing - to watch a first-time reaction from someone who has *actually read the book*! You, of course, ROCK Emily!!!
much respect for you referring to quinns ideas. I love when youtubers recommend each other to their audiances.
You should try the SyFy miniseries too. The good: It stuck to the story much much more. And covers more of it. Mostly great acting, great sets and costumes,
The bad: their CGI was not great and almost all the desert scenes were shot in the a studio warehouse with obvious painted backgrounds. But the bad is easy to overlook.
SYFY also did Dune: Messiah and Children of Dune as well as one miniseries.
"Well, that was "Dune"..."
*Em lookin like she just ate a great big spoonful of mustard
Yes.Jürgen Prochnow (Duke Leto Atreides) starred in “a Bible Movie” -- The Seventh Sign, staring Demi Moore.
I believe he was in "Wing Commander" too
@Gerald H He was great in Das Boot, which is my second favorite war movie
@Gerald H Apocalypse Now is easily the best, to me. I agree that it’s tough to rank them. Those two are the only ones that I believe rise above the rest, although there are many great ones
As someone who has read all 6 books, the SciFi channel miniseries were a reasonably faithful retelling of the stories. The sets were much more scaled back an included some painted backdrops but the acting and storytelling, in my opinion, is so much better. The first book (Dune) was three two-hour parts and the next two books (Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) were made into a single three-part miniseries.
Was JUST clicking to post something similar!!! The miniseries, despite seeming less high budget, just always seemed to have a ton more heart to it, which in turn made it feel more impactful, for sure!!!
I really liked the miniseries.
The script of the SciFi Channel miniseries, with the cast and production design of this movie would have been amazing.
I wasn't overly surprised they took a try at Dune, but I was pleasantly surprised when they attempted Dune Messiah and Children of Dune (both folded into the single mini-series Children of Dune). Yes, the effects lacked somewhat, but they stayed about as faithful as they could to the themes and characters as portrayed in the books. Having a young James McAvoy playing Leto didn't hurt either.
@@Hiraghm Agreed on the Leto casting. The 1984 Dune missed on a lot of points, but (IMO) Jurgen Prochnow did a pretty good job with it (my opinion may be influenced by having loved him in Das Boot). I want to be optimistic about the new Dune, but...ugh. I hope I'm really wrong, but I'm seeing a few things just in the trailers that kinda don't work. And I'm having serious trouble with Jason Momoa as Duncan, I just can't picture it. Feels like they were going for a current recognizable name rather than domeone who really fits the role (and anyone who has read deep into the Dune series knows what a central character Duncan is). Hoping for the best with the new movie, but realistically expecting less.
I have to ask, in general, when it comes to Dune, if anyone ever considers the mini-series starring Alec Newman and the sequel mini-series starring James McAvoy. Personally I think it was a more faithful adaptation of the first 3 books. All I ever hear anyone talk about is David Lynch's version and Jodorowski's version. Would be interesting to see a reaction to the mini-series after having seen this film. Very much hyped for the upcoming Dune movie. It looks amazing visually. Hope it does justice to the book.
I agree
It was OK.
The acting in the first was patchy, especially with Paul's actor - but he did a much better job in the sequel.
The backgrounds for the first miniseries were hopelessly obvious, practically like watching a filmed theatre production in some scenes, but the CG and background work picks up to much better in the sequel again.
The things I truly liked about those miniseries were elaborating on Paul/Alia/Jessica's Harkonnen lineage, the birth and death of Paul's first son Leto who is murdered by the Sardaukar invasion of a Fremen sietch, and lastly the relationship between Paul and Chani which is easily the best developed plot and acting across the 2 miniseries, especially at the end in showing how Paul is breaking apart as Chani dies.
Didn't like the actor change up for Stilgar though, it felt like they switched him up to suit an increased budget but the OG actor was fine and already established - I wasn't a great fan of Steven Berkoff's interpretation which seemed over the top by comparison.
While the first miniseries is more accurate it does still crucially miss the full depth of the Jessica/Thufir subplot where he suspects her of being a traitor spy - the part in the book where she scares him shit less by demonstrating the voice and how easily she could command Leto to do anything (even killing himself or his son) was a highlight of the book for me and I hope to see it in the new film (not expecting to though).
I said it was more faithful. I did not say it was perfect. :D While the characterization of Paul was not the best, it didn't detract from the overall experience of the story for me. Paul was supposed to be 15 or 16, and the twins were 9 or 10 years old. I can't think of any actors in that age range at the time of filming who would've been able to pull off those characters. The cast changes were truly jarring for me. I loved Saskia Reeves as Lady Jessica. I know Alice Krige was the first choice for Jessica, but I think Saskia played the part well. I wish she had been able to return for Children of Dune.
Uwe Ochsenknecht's Stilgar in Dune embodied strength, pragmatism, and wisdom, all the qualities of a Fremen Naib. In Children of Dune, the character was fanatical and constantly shouting to take someone's water. The recasting of some of the actors from Dune as other characters in the sequel was also a questionable decision. As for the effects, I'll never understand why people complain about the CG and backgrounds in a film made decades ago. It's always a matter of either the budget, the technology at the time, or the company doing the FX. I feel if bad CG is enough to take one out of the story, it wasn't a very good story to begin with. But that's just me.
I'd say it's quite lame too, but there's not a lot to choose from. I hope the new one is solid. Dune deserves a proper adaptation!
The mini-series definitively does the Harkonnens better, but I thought Alec Newman was extremely bland. The trippyness of the internal monologues and general Lynchian weirdness also serve the movie really well. I feel like a mix between the movie and the series would be a pretty perfect adaptation.
Duncan Idaho: I get knocked down, but I get up again!
I actually met Frank Herbert at a book signing just before this movie came out. I read the books way back in them 1980's.
The Fremen culture was completely thrown out of the bus in this movie. It was a big issue in the book (and in the mini-series), that one has to kill the Naib to become the leader. Even the role of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood was toned down to a point, where it felt like some obscure religious sect, not one of the pillars of the whole society. The same goes for the Spacing Guild. Even the emperor has to ask for transportation and could just be denied, if the guild so choosed. In the book, he was the one in the spotlight, while the Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild pulled the strings in the background. With the rain it totally ruined any chance of adapting the second book (or anyone after). A lot of the movie was so caught up in symbolic images and the repeating of them, as well as the internal monologs. And the Harkonnen, along with their homeplanet, were portrayed as filthy, disgusting and sadistic villains. Yet they belong to the noble houses and horded massive amounts of spice during their reign over Arrakis. This movie showed nothing of it. In the book, he is more portrayed as a "Bond villain", slightly mad, but cunning, rich and, in his own way, classy. Oh, I could go on forever about the differences, but nevertheless, I like this movie. I just don't think of it as an adaption of the book. Maybe a mirror universe Dune.
I'll admit, every time I see people going "the Jodorowsky version would have been so awesome and way better!", I just smile and nod and back away. Because we all know deep down it would have been so cheesy, camp and incoherent it'd make Barbarella look like a Bergman movie.
*Edit:* I mean...I've seen the production art. It would have been like watching a live action version of the Yellow Submarine animated movie crossed with clown school in the aesthetics.
Yep, I watched the Jodorowsky's Dune documentary and said, thank god we got David Lynch's version instead.
It would have been the most visually interesting thing put in theaters that year lol. The casting choices they discussed don't bode well either, it sounded like it would have been pretty bad
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I agree. When that documentary came out a few channels I watched were gushing over it.
One channel did their own deep dive into the production history. While there was some cool stuff involved, I think over all it would have been a shit show. Might have killed high concept sci fi for a long time in Hollywood.
It would have been a great movie (maybe even greater than The Holy Mountain), but the fans would have hated it because it was different.
The people who say that have never seen Jodorowsky's films. Holy Mountain, Santa Sangre, El Topo...amazing, unforgettable, insane, gorgeous movies. Yes, they're arty, but pretentious, no. They're just too damn nuts and full of energy and wild visuals to be just a bunch of highfalutin nonsense.
Never clicked so fast in my life. I'm psyched! This is a weird one but I'm glad. I'm super excited for the new movie. I've probably read the book thirty times over the last 20 years.
@@Hiraghm no clue what you're talking about, mate.
@Gerald H Denis is a big fan of the book and I doubt he'd alter anything that fundamentally changed the story.
There is an extended version of this movie that fills in many of the spaces your noticed; however, it's over four hours long and a slog to watch. This movie remains dear to my heart, despite its glaring flaws, mostly because of my love for the book. I'm glad you braved your way through it. Hopefully, and I am very cautious with my hope, the new movie is a worthy adaptation.
It sadly reuses a lot of the same VFX shots to pad out the time as well. It's still better than the theatrical cut. There's a fan edit of the film on YT that's really good too and is the best of both versions.
I hope so too, but I have had nightmares since Ender's Game.......
The extended version was not David Lynch's edit, and he disliked it to the extent of having his name taken off it.
The extended version is so incredibly dreadful. Long, pointless scenes that absolutely needed to be cut, a horrible slog of an expository intro that just goes on forever, the removal of some of the more memorable images and moments of the theatrical cut, and worst of all, the total bonerkilling voiceover narrator that somehow seems to make everything even more like cheesy SF twaddle. Better, I firmly believe, to have an incomprehensible yet often gorgeous mess than the cinematic equivalent of having a joke explained to you for four hours.
I'm 55. Loved this movie in my teens. I've never read the book. Always meant to. Your introduction just gave me my summer reading adventure.😊
The book was my first big read in school & made me a huge fan of fantasy books & movies. I always loved this movie because it was all I had, super excited about the new movie.
"They took some liberties..." Don't we all know it 😆
"THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED"!!
I would love to see a First Time Film Club spin off where Emily is shown Twin Peaks…Though I know the list of films is ever growing so that might not be for some time.
Also, massive props for reading Dune in advance of watching. Fun fact: The 2 hour version is officially listed as being directed by Alan Smithee (a common pseudonym in Hollywood when a directors name is taken off a picture) because David Lynch refused to have what he considered a studio cannibalised edit left in his name.
Anywho, y’all are one of my favourite UA-cam channels so keep up the good work!
The Spice must flow, the spice expands consciousness. It exists on only one planet in the entire universe, the planet is Arrakis, also known as DUNE.
It took them 10 years to make this movie happen., Fox bought the rights to the novel, Alejandro Jodorowsky was picked to direct the film, while his son Brontis was cast to play Paul. Mick Jagger, Orson Welles, Salvatore Dali, Gloria Swanson, David Carradine, and Udo Kier were considered for roles in the movie. However it was cancelled due to budgeting concerns and producer Arthur Jacobs passed away in 1974 before production began. David Lynch came onboard after Dino De Laurentiis bought the rights, and the rest is history.
Did not know any of that, and yet, now I am curious what this film would have been like with Orson Welles, Gloria Swanson, Mick Jagger, and David Carradine would have been like.
A number of the preproduction people moved on from the Jodorowsky version went on to Alien. Possibly recommended by Dan O'Bannon who was tapped to work on the FX for Dune.
@@3Kings_Industries There is a documentary about Jodorowsky's version. It would have been much more different from the novel than Lynch's version was.
STAR WARS: Light speed travel.
STAR TREK: Warp speed.
DUNE: Angry testicles that vomit acid trips.
Also just wanted to say that I think it’s awesome you guys shout out other channels. It’s nice to see youtubers supporting other youtubers. Quinn’s videos are great.
The side-eye at the end was hilarious:)
The funny thing is that I aknowledge the crticism of the movie but if I compare it to other attemtps at this story like the multipart-tv series I still prefer this version. You shouldn't expect it to not be flawed or incomplete.
I really loved the duel at the end.
Its super blown out of proportions but if you assume you'll ever only get one movie its a pretty great point to end the story.
Even nowadays you can't expect a tv- or movie-series to be entirelly true to the source material. And to be honest I prefer an incomplete and flawed version like this to the probably cut down into comprehensibiltity Version that tries to insert modern views into it.
Same. This movie has way more character then the others, making it more fun and enjoyable then the others.
Need to watch the SIFI version of Dune and The Children of Dune.
the Sci-Fi channels mini-series is so much better then this one
The old pc games are good fun also as they are pure aesthetic :)
*WORMSIGN DETECTED*
The Sy-fy mini-series is better.
Normally on other channels I skip until the movie starts but here I always watch the whole (summerl)introduction.
I think the visuals and the score are truly the bedrock of any future Dune endeavors. They captured the feudal society very well.
I think they went for the module instead of a fighting style because the actors can't fight. Can you imagine Kyle Mclaughlin doing kungfu? It's just easier to give them a gun.
have you guys thought about doing the three-part television miniseries too?
Love dune. The books and the film. Thank you for reacting to this. My dad got me into Frank Herbert. This film always makes me think of him.
Thanks for referencing Quinn's Ideas, he's got a great channel that any fan of Dune needs to see. He's very excited about the upcoming Dune since it's being made by people that truly know the books inside and out.
Frank Herberts perspective was that of nature and evolution. It would not be until Leto the 2nd that you would see "The God Emperor" emerge.
shout out to Quinn. and this soundtrack is awesome.
His youtube channel is excellent.
OMG you guys are so awesome!! I'm absolutely stoked to see the new version!! Glad you both are too! I knew you were awesome!!
Those "Whats?! " in the end floored me hahahaha
awww. my favorite scene wasn't there.
"This is a piece of your strongest stone. Kick it. Hit it. Yell at it."
*Inhale*"BREAK"
Just giving a shout out to Comicbookgirl 19. She has a lot of great Dune content as well. =D
So, the 1984 movie was my first exposure to Dune as a child. My younger sister and I always enjoyed this movie, and we never had any problem following what was going on. I didn't actually read the book until I was much older. While there are major differences between the book and 1984 movie, I can't let go of my nostalgic love of the movie. So, I love both the book and the 1984 movie for very different reasons and I treat them as very different stories that just happen to have the same name.
I remember sitting in the 4th row of the theater on opening night and being thrilled when Irulan started speaking.
Definitely give the Scifi channel's miniseries of Dune a go. It's more faithful to the book.
It's still not very good, but yes, more faithful for sure.
I agree. And imho the miniseries is also much better made.
The miniseries maybe more faithful, but the movie in my opinion is more aesthetically pleasing. The miniseries was too bright and colorful, it had the feeling of a children's book.
The miniseries is garbage.
Only thing in the miniseries favour is the fact it does follow the book more closely. The rest is awful the costumes, set, cast, music, visuals and even the worms look naff. Although If memory serves they did at least attempt flappy winged 'thopters. So credit for that...unless I'm wrong.
I am a child of the 80's, I saw this movie and loved it and still do to this day (my top 5, so sue me). I did not read the book until my 20's. I love the book too and I get the message. Lynch definitely left things out and I saw why also. The SciFy mini series did do a good job and stay faithful to the stories despite the budget. A side note, I love the fact that the actress who plays Alia, Alicia Witt, is still acting to this day and been in a bunch of great shows like Justified, Sons of Anarchy and others
The moment he mentioned his internal monologue I lost it! 😂😂😂
Love you guys and your movie reactions. Pretty much agree with your assessments of the movie.
Loved the book series, including the stories co-wrote by the son after Frank Herberts death. I also liked this movie, it had its issues but the love for the source material was there.
I think the book is very difficult to start. I've tried to read it so many times over the years. I finally listened to an audio version and I recommend that to anyone who wants to know the story.
Sometimes people who compare a book to the movie adaptation is like a guy comparing his wife's cooking to his mama's cooking
I got this on Bluray... it is so VERY an *Alan Smithee* movie...
I also use "The Sleeper has awakened!" as the sound effect for many of my electronic devices being activated...
Rock, sand? Don't sand so close to me? You've got the raw materials for something good.
I am glad that you guys decided to do more sci-fi. You guys are Dune it right. I noticed that Emily got Wierded out about the modules.
You guys might like the sci-fi channel's miniseries of Dune. The CGI is a bit rough, but it is well done & it's accomplished in multiple parts.
100% agree with Matt about the ending. It really does undermine the book. Also agree with Emily about Paul’s portrayal and his 0 conflict about his “terrible purpose”.
We dont know how long the final movie was going to be by David Lynch , when he walked out before finishing the project .
Like I mentioned the movie was originally supposed to be 4 hours. It doesn't matter Hollywood doesn't care for long films.
I’m already liking this before watching. Also, LOVE your hair, Emily! 🤘🏽
I had one of those definition handouts. Went to see this the day after its opening night and they had some left over. Kept it a good 15 years and now its lost with my ACDC concert dollars.
yes! one of my favorite Sci-fi films
Well shit spoken like a true born southerner. I watched just to see the many different expressions on Emily's face. I have dislocated a wrist and can not do much you two made me forget the hurt for a few min. The hairless cat has baffled me for years. By the way the worms are the mighty Sarnac. Ya'll always make me smile and happy. No hate is pretty much the right word in regards to Jessica.
Based on the previews it looks like we're getting much more of the book version of Lady "You Don't Mess with" Jessica.
I grew up on this movie and when the Sci-Fi miniseries and Children of Dune came out, I liked the differences and the extensions between the two. The rain at the end was to probably cleanse his people. Because sand is course and gets in everything.
I was just adding a little humor at the end with some Anakin in Attack of the Clones. :-) I guess it was very little.
Just commenting because I've never been here this early before. Already liked the video before watching, because I know it won't disappoint. My favorite reaction channel on youtube.
Max Von Sydow also played Ming the Merciless in the 1980 comic book movie "Flash Gordon".. Throw it on the list.. It's a campy romp.
Saw that in 2020. Next to no one int he theatre because of covid, but what the hell, I was there for the movie.
I like this sci-fi movie. The book series is good. The remake looks good. If you want to watch sci-fi that created a change in movie history, Forbidden Planet.
I agree about Forbidden Planet. Pretty much the template for the original Star Trek.
Lynch signed on to do two movies and then it was after he'd already started with the film that they decided to condense it all down into one movie. This was also after about a decade and a half of different script treatments starting with Alejandro Jodorowsky Dune.
I never in my life thought I would fall in love watching someone watch Dune. My nerd brain did gymnastics that entire reaction!
I saw this movie in the theater back in the day never had a desire to ever watch it again.
Right, I saw Reaction DUNE, I didn't even Care who it was, but I am Estatic to see their reaction to the old school sci-fi cult classic!
I kinda saw this film as a kid expecting Star Wars.....a few similarities here and there, but without anything kid-friendly at all. This was more hard futuristic sci-fi weirdness rather than the sapce fantasy of Star Wars. But it didn't disappoint me, i just thought it had all the trappings of a wrid movie i like: outrageous costumes, elaborate sets, crazy makeup effects, awesome designs for the environments, spaceships, etc. I loved it.
Still kind do even though I was really gutted to learn that Lynch either didnt read the book, or didn't liek the book, so he embellished a lot of weird stuff with no explanation whatsoever (cat in a box for .... some reason, and Shroedingers nowhere to be found, lol .... im not kidding, look up the extended scene, its frickin weird)!
The performances are sometimes subdued and quiet, at other times loud and over the top bombastic....but somehow it works. Well, depending on the tolerance level of the viewer, its a mixed bag.
Dune is not Star Wars.....it's more like Star Wars by way of Game of Thrones set in the year 10,191. Or....something like that.
Really happy you read the book. I've met Lynch fans who somehow think he came up with this. Whenever they entered a discussion about a new adaptation, they seemed to think any new film had to adhere to "Lynch's vision".
Digging the new haicut, or maybe its just the camera angle. Either way, nice upgrades! And, Look how full your wall has gotten!
Oh, and Maud'Dib !
i liked this version of Dune but i am dying to see the new version.
What's wrong with the new version?
@@balrozgul705 nothing but there are doubts. We will just have to wait and see.
@@Hiraghm the irony of folks being so offended/pissed off by what they consider woke. It never disappoints.
I have the feeling like it will be structurally better but not as much fun as the Lynch version.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 in my opinion, it's important tp.inderstand that it's scifi "for adults". Herbert used Dune as a vehicle for a possibility of tech advancement. Specifically, what it might look like if we centered on developing humans rather than things.
I suppose as a 'bring it out to the extreme' , the sound devices are a means of displaying using The Voice as a weapon. From what I remember of the books, Paul is able to cause actual harm and destruction with his voice alone.
I know the modules are a take on the 'Weirding Way' , as Director didn't want 'kung-fu in the desert', but I suppose might have taken some suggestion from the above.
I think you're mis-remembering because Paul had no such power in the books. True, he could use Voice but then again so could any Bene Gesserit sister.
Been waiting for you guys to do this movie. Do agree they really nailed what I saw as the visual style from the book less the navigators and the Baron. You also forgot to mention that Max von Sydow was also Meng the Merciless.
*Ming
I was so happy when you said you had read the book! And I would totally recommend reading the rest of the series, especially if you want to delve deeper into the "terrible purpose".
The Dune games are really good with great cutscenes as well.
from what i understand, the Baron Harkonnens skin condition is the result of an affliction given to him by a Bene Gesserit priestess after he raped and killed a member. so she gave him a degenerative disease.
I think she gave him all the long term, disfiguring, but not immediately fatal diseases.
That pause from Matthew in the beginning... I was like, "Did the movie travel back in time and bore him before the review?" Hehe.
I always think of the rain ending as a visual metaphor. It's like when Paul drinks the Water of Life; we see a vision of a Guild Navigator in the spice gas, then he is cast out and replaced by Paul, just as Paul is taking over the Guild, the Imperium, and the known Universe in real life. At the end, just before the rain starts, we see a close-up of Paul's eye, which then becomes an ocean, and then the rain starts. He has become the icon of water and life. Just my perspective, of course.
David Lynch wanted to film everything that was in the book, but between the producers slashing the film to bits, and David making space in which to fit his 'Lynchisms', a lot of material from the book was cut. There are *so many* deleted scenes, not all of them have been recovered!
You might enjoy the TV series starring William Hurt as Duke Leto, Alec Newman as Paul, and James McAvoy as Leto II. 👍
That last scene was a joke. The process to make water on Dune was just that, a process. It was not a "Super Power". It under cut the whole idea that is Dune. Be wary of charismatic leaders. They can lead you over the cliff. But we get a water producing "god". It is not the Dune story. No matter how "amazing" it was presented.
@@donny1960 - Yes, but you're talking about Frank Herbert's Dune; the original novel. *This* is David Lynch's Dune; an interpretation which uses visual metaphors. The two should definitely not be considered the same thing! 😀
Kyle McLaughlin and David Lynch worked together in a film called “Blue Velvet”, in which Lynch was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Director. (AND you get to see McLaughlin’s penis!) Dune is a very straight forward type of film. Blue Velvet is not. Isabella Rossellini is strange and brilliant. To me, there was no reason to have hired Laura Durn whatsoever, but there she is. It’s worth watching and reviewing.
the guy who made this almost made "Return of the Jedi." think about how THAT could've turned out...
Must I?
Muad'Dib bringing that peace and love to the galaxy.
60 billion deaths later: uhhhh.... peace and love.
But god, this movie. It's so flawed and yet there's still something magical about it. I can't explain it. And the score is incredible.
I saw this movie before reading the book and was amazed how much they are different but every once in a while they lined up.
🎵Rocks/sand , you don’t have to put on the red light..🎶..
YES!!! You win the internet for today! lol!!
Cheers!
Emily
Just when I thought I couldn't love you guys more... "Power Word: Kill"... "Nat20"...
I remembered seeing the 80s Dune rendition as a child and loving it. I high school I read the books and was thoroughly confused by the changes they made in the film. I guess the filmmakers thought people would be bored with sword fights? 🤷🏿♂️
The greatest line about world Building IN a movie is from the movie Escanaba in Da Moonlight (you should really watch this, I’m guessing even the guru has not seen it) is the line from the narrator at the beginning “The first thing you have to understand about us is we don’t explain things”