How Secure Is Your Password Manager?

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  • Опубліковано 21 жов 2024

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  • @samsawesomeminecraft
    @samsawesomeminecraft 11 місяців тому +1708

    My threat model is mostly me forgetting my own master password to the password manager. Everything else is a lesser threat.

    • @phillipanselmo8540
      @phillipanselmo8540 11 місяців тому +30

      think of your favorite animal, lookup its scientific name and use that as your password. Now, any time you forget your password you just have to search up your favorite animal.

    • @5371W
      @5371W 11 місяців тому +148

      ​@@phillipanselmo8540​maybe your mpw should be a bit stronger than something that falls to a dictionary attack. Better add 123 to the end just to be safe.

    • @Suicidekings_
      @Suicidekings_ 11 місяців тому +43

      Sentences work best as passwords. Easier recall, less likely on a master list, harder to brute force.

    • @eitantal726
      @eitantal726 11 місяців тому +60

      correct horse battery staple

    • @Suicidekings_
      @Suicidekings_ 11 місяців тому

      @@eitantal726 nooooo!! Dr Mike Pound said NOT to use that one.

  • @Adomas_B
    @Adomas_B 11 місяців тому +2625

    I reckon my notepad document can do the job

    • @smasher.
      @smasher. 11 місяців тому +24

      Frfr

    • @TENNOM
      @TENNOM 11 місяців тому +17

      best comment lol

    • @adamk.7177
      @adamk.7177 11 місяців тому +281

      @KGBMajorValeriP what if someone hits you in the head really hard tho, you need a backup just in case. This comment is sponsored by helmets

    • @E57det7I
      @E57det7I 11 місяців тому +41

      I mean have you really delved into password management until you have Veracrypted a txt document?

    • @maxscott3349
      @maxscott3349 11 місяців тому +26

      I just wait until the junk mail I use as a mouse pad gets a hole worn into it and then write it on that and tape it to the wall next to my pc

  • @FrogsRghey
    @FrogsRghey 11 місяців тому +672

    Can't lose your password if you never knew them 😎

    • @FrogsRghey
      @FrogsRghey 11 місяців тому +61

      @@cold_static the logic is flawless really

    • @YTInnovativeSolution
      @YTInnovativeSolution 11 місяців тому +33

      ​@@FrogsRgheyI use the same logic as a mechanic. Can't have a coolant leak if there is no coolant.

    • @HiberNAT
      @HiberNAT 11 місяців тому

      I'm a Chad forget your password ? clicker for login everytime sending proof of life everytime in a 48h+ process with their enterprise helpdesk

    • @yosutzuhruoj
      @yosutzuhruoj 11 місяців тому +8

      Ah, the old loop of resetting password everytime
      Solid choice

    • @TheDevouredEagle
      @TheDevouredEagle 11 місяців тому +1

      Smart Chad move 👌

  • @Jeal0usJelly
    @Jeal0usJelly 11 місяців тому +265

    I store my passwords in quantum superposition, I either remember them or not and I don't know if I do until I need to use them 😎

    • @handleneeds3charactersormore
      @handleneeds3charactersormore 11 місяців тому +4

      Schrodinger's Jelly

    • @svampebob007
      @svampebob007 11 місяців тому +7

      But if you don't that means a parallel universe you do.... what if he's working with the pigs snitching on YOU, or what if he was the hacker all along?
      can't hack me if there's nothing to hack, can't break an enter if there's nothing to break, can't steal if there's nothing to steal.
      I'm poor, pretty sure they would offer to pay me for a new identity.

    • @WoolyCow
      @WoolyCow 11 місяців тому +3

      oh nice me too! i just updated to v.20.1 do u also have that weird bug where sometimes another evil version of you comes from a parallel universe to attack your family? i thought the devs patched it...shame

    • @fuckshit8208
      @fuckshit8208 11 місяців тому +1

      Best comment here lmao

  • @jackstrawful
    @jackstrawful 11 місяців тому +76

    I loved it in Battlestar Galactica when they would make such a big deal about the fact that none of their systems were networked to each other - and the one time they did need to run a network, they treated it like the most batshit insane idea anyone could possibly have and as the most dire situation they could possibly be in.
    If there’s one benefit to nearly being genocided by A.I., it’s that you sure do learn to respect OpSec right quick.

  • @KeithBoehler
    @KeithBoehler 11 місяців тому +428

    Also worth adding the Ukrainian and Taiwan flag emoji to your passwords. This keeps you safe from the Russian and Chinese hackers who won't have them out of principle.

    • @cyphersurf890
      @cyphersurf890 11 місяців тому +39

      That's very comical but it might actually be true!

    • @LaughingMan44
      @LaughingMan44 11 місяців тому

      That sounds like some.made up soy-infused bs from reddit

    • @271kochu
      @271kochu 11 місяців тому +3

      ...you have emoji on your keeb?

    • @slavic_commonwealth
      @slavic_commonwealth 11 місяців тому +66

      and then add Russia and China flag emoji next to 'em so Ukrainian and American hackers won't get you

    • @sellers737
      @sellers737 11 місяців тому +17

      @@slavic_commonwealthmight as well add a bullseye emote then cause that how you'll look to the CIA / FBI

  • @7rich79
    @7rich79 11 місяців тому +68

    In my opinion, it's best to educate on "good enough" or "reasonable " security. The best in class security which works well for high value targets is not necessarily the most appropriate for the average citizen. Additionally, no matter how good your password practices are, you are still vulnerable to attacks on the services you use, like a credit rating agency, online tax submission, insurance services, any business or utility that stores your credit card or has direct debit capabilities. Many of these services are difficult to avoid using too.
    Perhaps we can teach people more about context however. Like don't keep your passwords for work in the same password manager as the one you use privately.
    There is also the balance between security and convenience. Being logged out automatically from your bank after 5 minutes of inactivity is good, but perhaps you would be annoyed if your social media accounts did the same.
    The same perhaps also with multifactor authentication.
    All that being said, this video does have very good points :)

    • @nef36
      @nef36 8 місяців тому +1

      Buying physical gift cards with cash is a good way to keep your debit cards off databases

  • @RedactedBrainwaves
    @RedactedBrainwaves 11 місяців тому +128

    On keepass, if you have a secured printer, you can actually print out your passwords very neatly and organized if you fancy having a physical backup.

    • @SosseHD
      @SosseHD 11 місяців тому +23

      Ur printer and its software trustable?

    • @omicronx94
      @omicronx94 11 місяців тому +79

      "a secured printer" you guys are delusional. no one has hacked your printer.

    • @tfr
      @tfr 11 місяців тому

      @@omicronx94adding to this, ensuring it is not publicly wireless. turning off its wi-fi direct or embedded networks and preferably linking it over ethernet to your network rather than wifi is more secure. also, some printers have this “email to printer” function but obviously that goes through the internet. best bet for paranoid people is to have a vlan between the printer and the device where they can communicate but cannot access the internet. then after this step you burn your printer and send it into space aimed at the sun

    • @transience4172
      @transience4172 11 місяців тому +8

      @@omicronx94 you made me laugh)

    • @p_serdiuk
      @p_serdiuk 11 місяців тому +45

      ​@@omicronx94 some printers can store copies of printed documents by default

  • @3NTR4PT4
    @3NTR4PT4 11 місяців тому +28

    My favorite password manager is the combo-locked journal that never leaves my backpack, with cryptic riddles and secrets that need to be used for translating the passwords

  • @sethbingo
    @sethbingo 11 місяців тому +176

    keeping them written down on a piece of paper is more secure than many password managers, assuming you don't lose it

    • @huckleberryfinn8795
      @huckleberryfinn8795 11 місяців тому +40

      Yeap, my passwords NEVER end up on a digital device, ever.

    • @lockdown727
      @lockdown727 11 місяців тому +5

      That's what I'd do honestly and it haven't failed yet.

    • @entcraft44
      @entcraft44 11 місяців тому +67

      A) It depends on your situation a bit. Do you carry it on you? Then it could easily get stolen. Do you keep it in your house? Could still get stolen in a robbery, or abused by a family member or whoever else you live with. Most people can trust their family members, but not all. A fire-proof safe is a good idea, that will certainly be enough for 99% of people. If it is a good safe and not cheap junk.
      B) Writing passwords down encourages the use of shorter, easier to type passwords than a solution involving copy and paste.
      But depending on your personal threat model, a paper list could be a viable option.

    • @lyndog
      @lyndog 11 місяців тому +12

      Good points! I will say that the robbery thing is less of a threat than many think. If your little password book is non-obvious it's not going to be stolen. And in an in person robbery they'll generally be after immediate items that can be sold or used quickly.

    • @joaomaria2398
      @joaomaria2398 11 місяців тому +10

      I have hundreds passwords, whenever possible going from 30 to 50 chars long.
      It is simply impractical to write it down.

  • @katehikes1645
    @katehikes1645 11 місяців тому +74

    jokes on you I write my passwords in my walls

    • @mgord9518
      @mgord9518 11 місяців тому +12

      I also write my passwords in your walls

    • @the1necromancer
      @the1necromancer 11 місяців тому +8

      @@mgord9518
      So _you're_ who that second set of passwords belongs to. That scraping gets very annoying in here.

    • @Quotethe
      @Quotethe 2 місяці тому

      Guys someone keeps writing funny words on my snacks i need help stoping it

  • @JRLarsen
    @JRLarsen 11 місяців тому +85

    Another thing to take in consideration is malicious browser extensions, both ones that present themselves as a password manager or connect to your password manager

  • @quidquopro1185
    @quidquopro1185 11 місяців тому +30

    Been using pass since 2013 and do not think I will stop any day soon. Simplicity always triumph!

    •  11 місяців тому +1

      Which can easily add two-factor authentication by using a smartcard.

    • @quidquopro1185
      @quidquopro1185 11 місяців тому

      @ Honestly never heard about that, I just use a private key.

    •  11 місяців тому

      It's a private key on separate card like a simcard but bigger. You can also use something like a yubikey that contains also a openpgp card. @@quidquopro1185

    • @xybersurfer
      @xybersurfer 11 місяців тому

      what is pass?

    • @GarfieldtheDestroyer
      @GarfieldtheDestroyer 11 місяців тому +1

      Ah yes, the well known program "pass"
      E: the standard unix password manager?

  • @carljung4733
    @carljung4733 11 місяців тому +10

    Great to see that Jason Tatum is so knowledgeable about this stuff

    • @ClickClack_Bam
      @ClickClack_Bam 10 місяців тому +1

      Dude looks & sounds like Vegan Gains 10x more than that guy.

  • @TheBicPen
    @TheBicPen 11 місяців тому +15

    I like the convenience of cloud-based solutions. Tbh i dont have a problem with them if the client is open-source and I can verify that it sends and retrieves nothing that isnt encrypted locally.

    • @marzeqpog
      @marzeqpog 11 місяців тому

      thats why i use bitwarden. the client(s) and the server are open source, but they host their own publicly available instance. all my passwords are randomly generated so even bitwarden they get breached, im pretty confident the attackers won't reverse the hash

  • @andrescorrea125
    @andrescorrea125 11 місяців тому +80

    Hey Mental Outlaw , do you have plans of discussing security on self hosted services ? ...

    • @pureheroin9902
      @pureheroin9902 11 місяців тому +9

      Id like to see this. I used to keep my keepass file on Google Drive then thought its probably NOT a good idea. Id much rather self host.

    • @nutelhere
      @nutelhere 11 місяців тому

      ​@@pureheroin9902why is it a bad idea?

    • @itsme7570
      @itsme7570 11 місяців тому

      There's a lot of self hosting channels out there. Just search hardening whatever you're self hosting

    • @Maleko48
      @Maleko48 11 місяців тому

      ​@@pureheroin9902resilio sync it to yourself, or syncthing

    • @danielnanski838
      @danielnanski838 11 місяців тому +2

      Same. The only thing is I dont trust myself to properly secure my system.

  • @rithvik
    @rithvik 11 місяців тому +30

    my exp rates go up 10% every time mental outlaw uploads.

  • @MrMakkymakk
    @MrMakkymakk 11 місяців тому +8

    Every time I see Keepass I always read it as "keep ass"

  • @Bagginsess
    @Bagginsess 11 місяців тому +21

    My paper notebook has 3 defenses: a locked door, a dog, and a gun. Hack that glowie.
    ATF grabs the gas

    • @deleted_handle
      @deleted_handle 6 місяців тому +2

      Doors can be unlocked without a the key.
      A dog can be killed or bribed with food.
      You aren't always going to have your gun on hand.
      what if u leave ur notebook at home when ure not there?

    • @Bagginsess
      @Bagginsess 6 місяців тому

      @@deleted_handle all of that would apply to a computer too... except paper can't be remotely hacked...

    • @kevinklien90
      @kevinklien90 6 місяців тому

      @@deleted_handle stash that piece of paper in a crusty sock under the bed

  • @brunoabad1027
    @brunoabad1027 11 місяців тому +7

    I actually remeber all my DIFERENT passwords as my insane brain is the safest software I know of

    • @UngovernableU
      @UngovernableU 11 місяців тому

      Based

    • @boyproO19
      @boyproO19 5 місяців тому

      For me the way to remember my password is to follow a format. Yeah if one gets compromised the same format can be used to access my other accounts but I use different nicks I my password for it.

  • @blacklamb8393
    @blacklamb8393 11 місяців тому +6

    bitwarden is the goat of password managers

  • @towatch
    @towatch 11 місяців тому

    Man I gotta say this. But when I see your face and hear voice there's just something pops up inside of my heart ❤. Love you so much.

  • @Byzantine-Revolt
    @Byzantine-Revolt 11 місяців тому +47

    I store my passwords on the tablets God gave Moses so I think I am good

    • @vadon8993
      @vadon8993 11 місяців тому +8

      Are the tablets encrypted? Asking for Aaron

    • @nobodytrulyimportant
      @nobodytrulyimportant 11 місяців тому +18

      I see you're a TempleOS fan.

    • @ayanami-rei-san
      @ayanami-rei-san 11 місяців тому +6

      I'm adding 10 commandments to my hash cracking dictionary, thank you!

    • @adamk.7177
      @adamk.7177 11 місяців тому +1

      @@nobodytrulyimportant comedy

    • @TENNOM
      @TENNOM 11 місяців тому

      based

  • @yippyo
    @yippyo 11 місяців тому +24

    Friendly reminder to backup your keepass files to the cloud/NAS (preferably in a encrypted 7z folder)

    • @HunterKiotori
      @HunterKiotori 11 місяців тому

      Can keepass read and edit the file inside the 7z? Or do you have to take it out every time

    • @W4nn3
      @W4nn3 11 місяців тому +19

      The database is already encrypted with your master password. No need to encrypt it again.

    • @tfr
      @tfr 11 місяців тому

      @@W4nn3furthermore if your nas supports SED, use that. makes your drives encrypted on the fly so even if the nas is physically stolen, nobody can even see what files are on it to begin with so they won’t know you’ve got a keepass database

    • @handleneeds3charactersormore
      @handleneeds3charactersormore 11 місяців тому +9

      @@W4nn3 nothing wrong with multi layer encryption, also super useful for compartmentalized databases

    • @schetenwapper6591
      @schetenwapper6591 11 місяців тому +6

      you dawg I heard you like encryption so I put an encrypted vault in an encrypted vault so you can decrypt while you decrypt.
      Eh, idk. This meme has better uses.

  • @gethinfiltrator6700
    @gethinfiltrator6700 11 місяців тому +11

    Cloud based has a purpose. It's to build and update someone's dictionary db.

    • @cyphersurf890
      @cyphersurf890 11 місяців тому

      TRUE! it gives ammo to our enemies

  • @profile-locked
    @profile-locked 11 місяців тому +10

    A video about how to securely use your android phone or overwrite it like with tails for example etc would be handy.

    • @pyqio
      @pyqio 11 місяців тому

      buy a phone that supports any other version of Android, install the OS, use it. That's quite simple. Oh, and remember that Android (as much as iOS) is not secure by design. There might be some software that tries to encrypt some data, but it's hardly possible to have more privileges than the OS itself.

    • @handleneeds3charactersormore
      @handleneeds3charactersormore 11 місяців тому +3

      @@pyqio so, Android is one (if not THE most) of the most secure OSes according to some dude that works on either tails, qubes or whonix, he's done some deep dives on this on dread (could be a glownie tho). Apparently since the beginning of Android every app has been compartmentalized into an isolated VM (makes sense, I remember the whole dalvik VM fiasco) and nowadays all phones starting from Android 8 have full disk encryption
      Wether your manufacturer pozzed the ROM/encryption or not that's a whole different thing, but if you run AOSP there is nothing pozzed there.
      Also sorry for the vagueness it's been around half a year or so since I read the info, it's not fresh in my mind

  • @backajeno
    @backajeno 11 місяців тому +6

    This video wasn't what I expected and it's useless for my needs❤

  • @ST-actual
    @ST-actual 11 місяців тому +6

    Not watching but the trick is to have a password you use for everything. You’ll use that as your second half. The first half can be stored in a password keeper. This way when you autocomplete your password there’s still a bit of manual work to do to get logged in.

  • @AstroSamDev
    @AstroSamDev 11 місяців тому +26

    I just wrote my own password manager, it is really quite simple to do if you understand using simple encryption libraries (just wait until those become vulnerabilities ).
    It stores all passwords in an encrypted file, which you unlock with a master password, and can also encrypt each entry a second time with a different password. You can also store other files, and just plain text in this encrypted database, and you can generate new totally random new passwords when you need to change (as you should regularly do). Really is quite useful.

    • @adamk.7177
      @adamk.7177 11 місяців тому +7

      Keepass has most of the same features, so I say you did a good job, bravo on the storing other files part. I don't think you can do that in KeePass actually.

    • @RADIUM108
      @RADIUM108 11 місяців тому

      ​@@adamk.7177you can store other files in keepass if I remember correctly

    • @tablettablete186
      @tablettablete186 11 місяців тому +7

      But did you implement any process isolation features?
      Things like running in a secure desktop and with a different SID

    • @user-zn3zx6fk7u
      @user-zn3zx6fk7u 11 місяців тому +6

      >I just wrote my own password manager
      i did it too lol, but dont use it since i fear it bugging and im not a good developer

    • @hipersonic999
      @hipersonic999 11 місяців тому

      @@adamk.7177 , I think you can, actually, at least in the android version, I recall having something like that.

  • @TheStiepen
    @TheStiepen 11 місяців тому +6

    This video doesn't really talk about the other side: end user compatibility. A regular user does not know how IT Security works nor should they need to know. If we want those people to use password managers they need to be easy to use. This includes being able to securely sync them between devices without having to configure anything and without having to set up own server infrastructure. A keepass file on a Dropbox share is reasonably good. But it also needs to integrate with your browser (unsure if keepass supports this).
    And honestly, even a proprietary password manager is better than reusing the same password for every website, which a lot of people actually do.

    • @techguydilan
      @techguydilan 11 місяців тому

      I personally like Bitwarden because I feel its the best of both worlds.
      Its code is available and auditable by anyone who wishes to look at it. In that way their zero-knowledge approach can be verified. As we're learning each and every month it seems that with LastPass, sometimes zero-knowledge doesn't mean the same thing to proprietary platforms.
      As I obfuscate my usernames for some things too, it was very alarming to me to learn that attackers had access to all of them and explained why my bank account kept getting locked out due to password guesses despite my username being a combo of my initials and a string of random numbers.

    • @banaantje0456
      @banaantje0456 11 місяців тому

      Browser integration is not really needed for keepass if you set up autotype correctly. The approach of keepass and remote storage is amazing as a tradeoff between usability and security. I do that as well but instead of cloud storage i have it on a host on my local network accessible with a vpn.

    • @TheStiepen
      @TheStiepen 11 місяців тому

      @@banaantje0456 that works well for someone like you or me. It doesn't work well at all for someone like my mother who doesn't even have a clue what autotype is, let alone how to set it up.
      Also proper browser integration is great protection against phishing, because it won't let you use the password on the wrong website.

    • @nathanoneiric
      @nathanoneiric 11 місяців тому

      KeepassXC has great browser integration

  • @NobodyisAnybody
    @NobodyisAnybody 11 місяців тому +1

    0:26 Flamin’ hot security

  • @benglick7850
    @benglick7850 11 місяців тому

    UA-cam keeps unsubscribing me from you, why, this is one of my favorite channels on youtube, youtube stahp

  • @n-steam
    @n-steam 11 місяців тому +4

    You say not using a password manager borders on insanity... but 90% of websites you need to log into are junk sites that I dont care if the "password" I use gets leaked and they get access to all the other junk sites. For the accounts that matter, I've got separate passwords for, and there really isnt that many, I could count them on my fingers.

    • @slavic_commonwealth
      @slavic_commonwealth 11 місяців тому

      yeah, these junk sites together can build your entire identity and give a lot of information to the hacker, so it would be easier for him to get a password for "main" accounts. @mantyy

  • @webrevolution.
    @webrevolution. 11 місяців тому

    First time I actually see in one of your videos a vuln that I have used to complete a HTB machine, specifically one called Keeper.
    It was so satisfying to see that and be like "oh, oh I know that one, I've already used it to hack stuff".

  • @creative.money_eu
    @creative.money_eu 11 місяців тому

    your videos have gotten a lot better over the years! gg!

  • @Two-Checks
    @Two-Checks 11 місяців тому +11

    How's notepad in a veracrypt container?

  • @uuu12343
    @uuu12343 11 місяців тому

    I trust these hands more than the cloud

  • @lavavex
    @lavavex 11 місяців тому +1

    I love my password manager, aka my arduino that emulates a keyboard and typed the same password every time it’s plugged in

  • @henrygreen2096
    @henrygreen2096 11 місяців тому +2

    Very informative, thank you. I don't know why I never considered that there could potentially be a program that reads keyboard inputs. Having something like that sending info back is wild.

  • @whatsGyall
    @whatsGyall 11 місяців тому

    Text editor does wonderfully for me

  • @ffwast
    @ffwast 11 місяців тому +2

    Very secure (notebook on my desk requires physical access)

    • @Vigaberno
      @Vigaberno 11 місяців тому

      I’ll wait for the people warning you about burglaries, house fires or evil people disguised as friends.

  • @llamingo
    @llamingo 11 місяців тому +3

    I use both Bitwarden and Proton pass manager. 👍

    • @azahid1aza751
      @azahid1aza751 9 місяців тому

      I was wondering, what about bitwarden? Sure it's cloud, but it's FOSS

  • @stevenchristenson2428
    @stevenchristenson2428 11 місяців тому +8

    I remember having a discussion with the previous system admin to my current job about password managers. He was telling me how awesome this one manager was and of course it was all in the cloud. I looked at him and said someone else knows your passwords.. He laughed and said no they don't because they keep it encrypted and it uses ssl. Even tech people can convince themselves of false security when they should know better, this is why I try and self host everything. The cloud is not secure and the whole idea of keeping passwords there really boggles my mind why anyone would think that is secure...

  • @markarca6360
    @markarca6360 11 місяців тому

    Jason Donenfield? Yes, this is the same man behind Wireguard!

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm sure others use the same technique, but I've learned to type in a certain way so that I could just remember a phrase as my password for any given login and then type it quickly while the end result looks nothing like the phrase I memorize.

  • @madisonhanberry6019
    @madisonhanberry6019 11 місяців тому +2

    I like your club penguin shirt

  • @IvanToshkov
    @IvanToshkov 9 місяців тому +1

    I haven't read the CVE thing, so I might be talking about a different thing. I think there's a scenario that it might be worse than just corrupting the DB: the attacker can change the master password and then copy the database file. This way, they can unlock the DB file later and gain access to your passwords. If they create a backup copy of the file beforehand and then restore it, one might not even be aware of this happening. A way to mitigate this would be to require the current master password when there's a request to change it, even if the DB is unlocked at that time.

    • @BillAnt
      @BillAnt 6 місяців тому

      A simple user defined timeout feature could mitigate the database being left open for a length of time. They can corrupt it all they want, as long as you have a couple of backups in different places.

    • @IvanToshkov
      @IvanToshkov 6 місяців тому

      @@BillAnt And what would be a sensible timeout that on the one hand mitigates the problem and on the other doesn't make the UX unbearable?

    • @BillAnt
      @BillAnt 6 місяців тому

      @@IvanToshkov- That's why I wrote "a user defined timeout". Anywhere from a minute to an hour, whatever you feel comfortable with.

  • @Myronsjet
    @Myronsjet 7 днів тому

    I keep important passwords and keys on Casio PDA from early 90s. Was practicing air gap even before it became mainstream, it appears.

  • @moepikd
    @moepikd 11 місяців тому +2

    My password manager is a book. It's much harder to gain my passwords if you can't gain them by hacking into a password manager and can only get them by physically committing theft.

  • @Zeioth
    @Zeioth 11 місяців тому +4

    In my last company we were considering a cloud password manager. We decided not to. 5 Months or so after said service was hacked.

  • @travis5732
    @travis5732 11 місяців тому

    A self hosted password manager is doing the trick for me.

  • @sfzndo
    @sfzndo 11 місяців тому

    never thought I'd see jayson tatum telling me about password managers but here we are

  • @F_Around_and_find_out
    @F_Around_and_find_out 11 місяців тому +1

    Doesn't matter what password managers you use, remember to shuffle it all once in a while.

  • @thebitter6262
    @thebitter6262 11 місяців тому +1

    I have been using a Kingston DataTraveler USB stick and KeePass portable for about 10 years.

    • @capitolia
      @capitolia 5 місяців тому

      …and for the mobile phone?

    • @thebitter6262
      @thebitter6262 5 місяців тому

      ​@@capitolia The only passwords saved on my phone are for Discord, Brilliant and Disney+. Yes, a long time ago I had to type them in manually. My approach is to keep important things as far away from my phone as possible.

  • @Ataraxia_Atom
    @Ataraxia_Atom 11 місяців тому +4

    I use bitwarden with the anticipation that ill self host at some point.

  • @aschelocke5287
    @aschelocke5287 11 місяців тому +1

    You can roll back your database with gdrive. Did it a couple of months ago when it became corrupted

  • @RylanTech
    @RylanTech 11 місяців тому

    I'm a web dev and my next project is a open source, web based password manager. It's probably not going to be amazing but It my data on my software on my hardware on my network.

  • @topokhancom
    @topokhancom 11 місяців тому +32

    If you're going to use a Password Manager, it's best practice to modify the saved password by adding or removing some characters. When you need to use a password, adjust the characters as needed. This way, even if it gets leaked, the password won't work for anyone else.

    • @industrialdonut7681
      @industrialdonut7681 11 місяців тому +2

      So like weakly encrypting it before storing it?

    • @mtk3668
      @mtk3668 11 місяців тому +9

      dont agree at all. its way better to use your password manager's password generator. When making password i usually set the max character limit that the site allows. sadly some actually cap you at 15 char passwords.. in 2023. some sites tho i have a 99char passwords for bc why not. if site gets breached. just change the password. rinse and repeat.

    • @industrialdonut7681
      @industrialdonut7681 11 місяців тому

      @@mtk3668 Yeah but I think the OP is still saying to use that, then change some characters by a method you'll remember so that even if the password manager gets hacked then you still have another subtle layer to the real passwords in use

    • @ST-actual
      @ST-actual 11 місяців тому

      @@mtk3668wrong. Original post is the correct way to store passwords. Password manager has first half, your brain has second half.

    • @nirinarabeson
      @nirinarabeson 11 місяців тому

      I was pleasantly surprised when my local country taxes website allowed for 256 long passwords… keepass autocomplete go brrrrr

  • @jpdlpokedigi10
    @jpdlpokedigi10 11 місяців тому

    Keepass ftw

  • @zbdfhg
    @zbdfhg 11 місяців тому +1

    Title reminds me of, "What color is your Bugatti?"

  • @olamidehimself
    @olamidehimself 11 місяців тому

    I dont know why I ever thought you a white man in his early 40s who has been in the IT space since 2005😀. Keep up the goood work, man. love the videos

  • @ionrael
    @ionrael 11 місяців тому

    *laughs in a sticky note attached to the monitor with the passwords"

  • @cruiserkumano
    @cruiserkumano 11 місяців тому +1

    Well, you could write down your passwords and store it in a safe deposit box as a backup.

  • @bestrenderings796
    @bestrenderings796 3 місяці тому

    LOL! Love the Cheeto dead bolt!

  • @inithinx
    @inithinx 11 місяців тому +5

    Selfhosted Vaultearden, syncing only when im in the local network. Kinda works like a pseudo-sync.

    • @Jordan-hz1wr
      @Jordan-hz1wr 11 місяців тому

      I’d rather be responsible for 1 single .kdbx file than need to self host an entire backend server infrastructure.

    • @inithinx
      @inithinx 11 місяців тому

      @@Jordan-hz1wr while that's true, I maintain a password manager for like 15 people, and have a local dns, local mail server and everything. vaultwarden makes selfhosting super simple (literally a docker container)

    • @slavic_commonwealth
      @slavic_commonwealth 11 місяців тому

      you're not schizo enough, then. @@Jordan-hz1wr

  • @geronimo3970
    @geronimo3970 11 місяців тому +1

    My password manager is my brain. Good luck hacking into that

  • @SlfgjkAldfjgf
    @SlfgjkAldfjgf 3 місяці тому +3

    So what is the bottom line? You kept mumbling about vulnerabilities. What is the solution for the average user?

  • @YouMe-mf7ed
    @YouMe-mf7ed 11 місяців тому +1

    Mental outlaw. I know you talked about other companies that seem to do a very good job protecting passwords that you have used.
    I just have a question about Kaspersky password protection? Has there been any leakages you know about or data sharing?
    Ik its a russian company but online I can't seem to find a genuine article talking about data breaches other that redditors going dumb and scaring others using "I have heard statements than facts" in password manager.
    Would love an insight or video on this topic, please 🙏

  • @kH-ul4hk
    @kH-ul4hk 11 місяців тому +2

    What is your opinion of the trend of moving to passkeys?

  • @Chan-minion
    @Chan-minion 11 місяців тому

    The most secure is the simple ones, remember it or put it in a physical lock on a piece of paper

  • @newmonengineering
    @newmonengineering 11 місяців тому

    I use passport, it comes with Gryphin Router. It's a block chain storage container

  • @AndrewTSq
    @AndrewTSq 11 місяців тому +1

    I dont understand people using password manager. So to make it harder to get your passwords, you put them in an online source, and you bundle all your passwords into one single password. Makes sense?

  • @lyndog
    @lyndog 11 місяців тому +3

    Been using pass for a while now. It uses GPG to encrypt your passwords. Sync is done by pushing and pulling a private git repository. Redundancy is achieved by having secondary private remote repositories. My actual passwords are generated randomly most of the time, making them useless in leaks. Using MFA where I can then keeps me pretty safe.

    • @RonWolfHowl
      @RonWolfHowl 11 місяців тому

      Ooh, sounds neat? Do you know if it syncs with mobile devices?

    • @NataliePine
      @NataliePine 11 місяців тому

      @@RonWolfHowl There's an Android app for it, called password-store.

    • @nathanoneiric
      @nathanoneiric 11 місяців тому

      ​@@RonWolfHowljust use keepassxc and sync them between devices using syncthing 😎

  • @DormantOden
    @DormantOden 11 місяців тому

    Imho you really should recommend cloud based managers, because the people asking you will inherently be non-technical people who can't setup something like keepass themselves. Usually if they can't easily use the manager on all devices with one click setup then they will just end up using the same password for everything, and be vulnerable to data breaches. My brother, or my dad, for example aren't going to be able to setup keepass' on every device, with diferent named apps, let alone understand that the database needs to sync from somewhere like a private git repo or one-drive to stay up to date.

    • @gnutard1735
      @gnutard1735 10 місяців тому

      His point is to use an open source password manager that can be self-hosted if wanted. Using a full on paid, proprietary cloud based is just asking to have data stolen. Bitwarden is a good example of a proper good cloud based password manager.

  • @sarahkitty4729
    @sarahkitty4729 11 місяців тому +3

    The best method is taking a ordinary book, get a fountain pen and some UV ink (invisible ink) and writing the passwords in said book using a uv light. If anyone looks at the book it’s just a book, but when you shine
    A uv light on it, you can read your passwords. Hiding in plain sight.

    • @billfarley9015
      @billfarley9015 11 місяців тому

      That sounds like a great idea for a backup but it doesn't really sound like a proper substitute for a password manager.

  • @Jordan-hz1wr
    @Jordan-hz1wr 11 місяців тому +2

    I am astonished at how many people genuinely think paper is a smart option.

    • @catmando268
      @catmando268 11 місяців тому +1

      It is. Immune to hacking.

    • @Jordan-hz1wr
      @Jordan-hz1wr 11 місяців тому

      @@catmando268 It's not. It's immune to digital hacking, but is susceptible to many more threats.

  • @iplayminecraft833
    @iplayminecraft833 10 місяців тому

    Heres how you can be really jacked and remeber all your passwords everytime you forget a password the one push up this will make you stronger then the rock and give insane memory power makes you stronger and smarter LMAO

  • @theman2160
    @theman2160 11 місяців тому

    The virgin proprietary password manager can't even touch the Chad having no money to steal.

  • @JeffBourke
    @JeffBourke 11 місяців тому +7

    If you can read memory you can almost certainly log keystrokes anyway.

  • @XavierHyena
    @XavierHyena 11 місяців тому +1

    "Old Man Yells at Cloud"

  • @dnizamovv
    @dnizamovv 11 місяців тому +3

    What would you say of something like Bitwarden, which is open source, but still cloud based

    • @NuchiAsaki
      @NuchiAsaki 11 місяців тому

      It's still someone else's computer.

    • @NuchiAsaki
      @NuchiAsaki 7 місяців тому

      @@kaper-sd9qx If it's on the internet it's a target. If they turn off their PC, you lose access. You don't know them, you shouldn't trust them.

  • @firebadnofire9768
    @firebadnofire9768 11 місяців тому

    My personal favorite password manager:
    The 5gb LUKS partition on my server

  • @WhatSmellsLikeToast
    @WhatSmellsLikeToast 11 місяців тому +23

    Nothing can ever be as secure as memorization. You can memorize any sequence of characters by simply typing them out over and over until you no longer have to look. In my experience, this can be accomplished in less than an hour

    • @AndersHass
      @AndersHass 11 місяців тому +12

      Hopefully nobody tracking all that typing, lol

    • @givenfool6169
      @givenfool6169 11 місяців тому +47

      Works well unless you have 180+ logins and passwords

    • @martinlutherkingjr.5582
      @martinlutherkingjr.5582 11 місяців тому +7

      It’s not secure in cases of coercion .

    • @michaelwhary7697
      @michaelwhary7697 11 місяців тому +2

      Nah, imma just write it down on paper and keep it in a locked drawer.

    • @WhyName
      @WhyName 11 місяців тому +5

      .......you're gonna spend an hour memorizing a password every time you sign up for something?
      Bruh......

  • @Lulxec
    @Lulxec 11 місяців тому +1

    I made my own terminal based password manager with 256AES encryption that requires a specific usb to run

  • @doltBmB
    @doltBmB 11 місяців тому +6

    there was a password manager, I forget what name it was since I just memorize my passwords, but it used a much better approach, it takes the combination of your username, the website name, and your master password, then generates from that a unique password. this means there is no database file you can lose or have to carry with you, and you only need to remember one password. as long as the generation process is cryptographically secure, that seems by far the best to me.

    • @PenguinCrayon269
      @PenguinCrayon269 11 місяців тому +2

      you can program it yourself, it just hash those strings (username, website, master)

    • @handleneeds3charactersormore
      @handleneeds3charactersormore 11 місяців тому +22

      Terrible ideas, both of them, that kind of deterministic system gives power to the attacker: you need to be perfect and they only need to find a single point of failure to completely compromise you

    • @the1necromancer
      @the1necromancer 11 місяців тому +4

      So instead of a hacker needing to discover your master password and then read your password data, they just need to discover your master password.

    • @doltBmB
      @doltBmB 11 місяців тому +2

      @@the1necromancer and how will they do that mr genius? how will they even discover that I am using this specific password manager?

    • @entcraft44
      @entcraft44 11 місяців тому +10

      The biggest drawback of this style of password manager is that there is no good way to change your passwords. Some add an additional number you increase every time you change your password, but then you have to remember the correct number and that isn't convenient.

  • @jancizuletek670
    @jancizuletek670 11 місяців тому

    My password manager is the strongest-just remember it and if you forget you jave recovery options always

  • @bartekburmistrz8679
    @bartekburmistrz8679 11 місяців тому +3

    In my family everyone has an unhackable password manager it's called a notebook, but then it's useless without the second part that I keep encrypted on my pc in a simple cmd program I made using off the shelf crypt programs, You put in a master password, then the notebook password and you get the second part of the password

  • @Sypitz
    @Sypitz 11 місяців тому +8

    Or, hear me out, you could just not use a secondary program to store your passwords and just write them down somewhere physically? People can’t hack paper.

    • @travelfar4230
      @travelfar4230 11 місяців тому +5

      Ever heard of the wrench hack?

    • @rusi6219
      @rusi6219 11 місяців тому

      @@travelfar4230 like a computer hacker is able to interact with the real world lol

    • @esquilax5563
      @esquilax5563 11 місяців тому +2

      Depends on your threat model. If you live in a country where the security services will happily break into your home and go through your things, you're gonna want another solution. But if your home is secure and you're mainly worried about online attacks, then paper is alright. Just make sure you have an offsite backup in case of fire - might be a pain keeping that in sync. And password managers have other useful features like auto type - that allows you to enter your password in a public place without worrying about people shoulder surfing, not so easy with paper

    • @holdenwinters68
      @holdenwinters68 11 місяців тому

      And bring them everywhere you go? So that when someone sticks you up for your laptop bag - they get everything? Great idea.

    • @rusi6219
      @rusi6219 11 місяців тому

      @@holdenwinters68 why would you keep all your possessions in one bag

  • @pikazap6672
    @pikazap6672 11 місяців тому

    My bunch of sticky notes is my password manager 🔑

  • @im7254
    @im7254 11 місяців тому

    not auto updating = best feature imaginable

  • @knrdash
    @knrdash 11 місяців тому

    I have a password manager, it's a notepad. 100% offline and secure.

  • @NumberOneBlackGuy
    @NumberOneBlackGuy 2 місяці тому

    JT doing side quests

  • @Vigaberno
    @Vigaberno 11 місяців тому

    I encrypt my passwords as pairs of riddles and answers, only write the riddle on a note, put the notes in glass bottles and put the closed bottles in the water tank of my out of order toilet. The bathroom door is closed and requires a key that you can only get by tickling the balls of a specific goat that only appears at the second night after full moon. You have to tickle the goat with a special glove that is hidden away near a tree by a river where there’s a hole in the ground where an old man of Aran goes around and around. And his mind is a beacon in the veil of the night. For a strange kind of fashion there’s a wrong and a right. So yeah pretty difficult to get to my passwords I think.

  • @Vemu
    @Vemu 11 місяців тому +1

    What do you think of Bitwarden?

  • @m0ntana137
    @m0ntana137 11 місяців тому

    The thing with self hosting is you’re probably not smarter than a team. But you might think you are, which is worse. Having a self-hosted, open-source password manager accessible only from behind a VPN is probably good enough most of the time though.

  • @marcusfleuti2672
    @marcusfleuti2672 11 місяців тому

    If you work with like Linux Mint, it will keep your Keepass up-to-date automatically via integrated package manager ;)

  • @Alexifeu
    @Alexifeu 11 місяців тому +1

    Google Password Manager is cool

  • @Clancydaenlightened
    @Clancydaenlightened 11 місяців тому

    My brain is like an enigma, good luck looking find my passwords
    Cant read the storage medium and doesn't need internet or a computer to hold the information

  • @bjollnirbjordsen9795
    @bjollnirbjordsen9795 11 місяців тому +2

    I write my important passwords in a notebook using a special alphabet I made that has letters for specific combinations of letters that don't exist in common alphabets. I can read and write it fluently so I can write passwords on sticky notes at work and it would probably take a lot of work for someone to translate, more if I used some kind of cipher

    • @hahahahaha7237
      @hahahahaha7237 11 місяців тому +3

      i memorized the 4 square cipher, super easy to learn. change around letters and numbers based on something that only makes sense to you: position in the alphabet, letter looks similar to another, first number is offset by 2, second by 3, whatever. you end up with a total mess that only makes sense to you.

    • @ra2enjoyer708
      @ra2enjoyer708 11 місяців тому +2

      Too bad your fancy language has to be serialized into a UTF-8 string (in best case scenario) anyway and therefore can be brute-forced like a byte-array representing said string with no awareness of the language.

  • @jmtradbr
    @jmtradbr 11 місяців тому

    Before i knew about password managers in early 2010s i used to write everything in a txt document and compact with password in a .rar file.

    • @boyproO19
      @boyproO19 5 місяців тому

      And where did you store those rar passes?another txt file?