Dylan Frazier .....a very fine man, sincerely elevates all those around him and great coach. Paddles - you are right and I know you are, TA-15 and growing into the consistency quickly after moving the cones 3ft off the nearest line. - never knew a miss could be so good, lol. "Thank you James"
His resiliency, ability to teach himself "rapidly" are 2 attributes that make him a Superhuman. - there are others. - You have your own unique clusters which make you Superhuman. That's my opinion which I don't confuse as fact.
I can confirm that James's idea of using a power paddle to help one dial in control works. At least it does for me. I sometimes start out with a Gearbox PPE for a game or two and then switch to my "usual" paddle (Ruby). And every time I go back to my Ruby, my drops and soft shots feel very dialed in.
James: I've often heard it said that the top players, especially the ones with tennis backgrounds, are great at "generating power." Is there an argument to be made that there is a benefit to the 3.0-4.0 players starting with a softer, control oriented paddle in order to learn how to generate power on their own? Thanks for all of the value you consistently offer in your pods. I'm glad you're leaning into this role because you are a very gifted teacher and helping others more than you know.
@@JamesIgnatowich IF the Power Air isn't a power paddle and James has the most powerful serve using it.....hard to say its not a power paddle...hmmmmm...and Quang uses it as well probably the 3rd fastest serve (Dekel uses a Mod)
generally I agree with majority of the points. however, I had a different experience when I started. I bought a really low budget paddle but it was 9.0 oz (aluminum) and so it was for me a power paddle. I was able to win points kind of easily off the serve and return so for a long time I did not really conceive of hitting drops and dinks (until maybe covid and I was watching every pro tourney). I think it's good to learn to keep your balls in the court but also work on the soft game as quickly as possible. I kind of regret playing maybe 2 years as a banger bc now I'm kind of obsessed about dinking and it is still a challenge to find people in rec who will want to dink. thanks for the great content
Thanks for the comment! Interesting situation, it’s true that not as many players are dinking in rec now. Except for at the highest level. For pros, the dink will never go away
Here's a weird thought: [Pickleball paddle companies ought to examine FPS games (particularly Battle royale's) and see what makes "the game" break? Always weapon-based: The most powerful weapon (+ the most control). Warzone is a prime example. 2-shot BR's were unbeatable before being nerfed]. There is a level at which the human hand-eye coordination for hitting a ball is not possible, and it is at this speed, whatever it actually is, which pickleball paddles have/will become too much for the game. The only way to technically correct this would be extending the range of the courts. (40 in nets, 20 foot kitchens, etc.) And...we don't want that.
Respectfully disagree. The first question to ask is "What is your goal?". If you are someone who is consciously working on improving pickleball skills and technique, even in expense of losing more games then you could otherwise win today, James' recommendations make total sense. If you main goal is to win as many games as you can at your current level, you need the paddle that helps to counteract your deficiencies. I.E. if you are easy power (ex tennis) player that lacks in soft game, get a control paddle. If you feel like you don't have enough oomph on your shots and don't have put-away power on your overheads, get a power paddle.
this is just my opinion but starting with a very fast paddle when you first start will lead to bad habits. One will want to hit ball hard when it’s not warranted. You will develop bad techniques due to trying to hard to keep ball in play. You will lose confidence getting beat by players with great control causing general frustration and anger. Learn all the basic shots, tactics, and strategies with a control paddle before buying that power paddle.
Thanks for the comment! Totally get where you’re coming from. I think to master your game as quickly as possible, you learn the soft stuff and how to play the “right” way, with a power paddle. Gotta avoid the temptation to crush every ball though but if someone truly wants to become a great player; they will learn to play correctly.
Here's an idea. Find a game that doesn't piss everyone off in a 1 mile radius and makes EVERYONE hate you. .... oh wait. It's called tennis. Yeah. You should try tennis. Played by real athletes & doesn't make everyone hate you
I kinda disagree. You should start with a relatively cheap, control paddle until you are comfortable with the basics. Then switch to power paddle. What I agree is 1 year is too long to switch. Probably 3-6 months. No doubt about the need to move up the power though
If 2 players are having a hands battle and one is a better player than the other who wins ? Does talent matter ? If the talented player does not have as powerful a paddle as the other player then the talented guy is probably going to lose. This is wrong in my opinion. You shouldn't be able to win just because you have more powerful equipment. I want talent to matter. The other problem with these really powerful paddles is we get these really long dinking battles because no one wants to speed it up unless they have a really good look at the ball. If you speed up too soon the counter is so powerful the rally is over. Hands battles are fun to watch that's why we all enjoy watching the women play. With the guys it's over real quick. You are only standing 14 feet apart and there comes a speed where no one's reaction time is good enough to counter. I get what you are saying but there is a reason that the game needs to be slowed down somewhat. I think it will result in a game that is more fun to watch, more enjoyable to play, and be safer.
the more talented player wins the hands battles more than not regardless of power....a hands battle involves multiple shots not one, so your weaker player power paddle speeds up and gets countered for a winner....the better player speeds up, fools weaker and wins, the better player speeds up, gets countered by weaker player with power paddle who will either get countered and lose again or his power paddle gets him a point.....in these examples the better player wins 3 out of 4 scenarios
That's true. Just played today vs New Carbon and Joola 3 and omg, almost every drive and serve were so powerful
100%, hopefully those paddles get dialed back a littlen
Dylan Frazier .....a very fine man, sincerely elevates all those around him and great coach. Paddles - you are right and I know you are, TA-15 and growing into the consistency quickly after moving the cones 3ft off the nearest line. - never knew a miss could be so good, lol. "Thank you James"
Dylan is the best. Always looking forward to your comments
His resiliency, ability to teach himself "rapidly" are 2 attributes that make him a Superhuman. - there are others. - You have your own unique clusters which make you Superhuman. That's my opinion which I don't confuse as fact.
I can confirm that James's idea of using a power paddle to help one dial in control works. At least it does for me.
I sometimes start out with a Gearbox PPE for a game or two and then switch to my "usual" paddle (Ruby). And every time I go back to my Ruby, my drops and soft shots feel very dialed in.
Yes sir! Like that strategy
I totally agree. Most of the UA-camr recommended starting with control paddle which is wrong
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Dude, your content is good. Just passed briones for #1 on my list
He’s great also!! Thank you!
James: I've often heard it said that the top players, especially the ones with tennis backgrounds, are great at "generating power." Is there an argument to be made that there is a benefit to the 3.0-4.0 players starting with a softer, control oriented paddle in order to learn how to generate power on their own?
Thanks for all of the value you consistently offer in your pods. I'm glad you're leaning into this role because you are a very gifted teacher and helping others more than you know.
This is an interesting call considering no selkirk paddles are anywhere near the top end power paddles on the market...
Ouch!
@@nunyabidness3075 Their power paddles are other brands control paddles
Are you saying I’m going to get in trouble for this pod…
@@JamesIgnatowich IF the Power Air isn't a power paddle and James has the most powerful serve using it.....hard to say its not a power paddle...hmmmmm...and Quang uses it as well probably the 3rd fastest serve (Dekel uses a Mod)
I have been to a James Ignatowich clinic, and you are the best!
Thank you so much!
generally I agree with majority of the points. however, I had a different experience when I started. I bought a really low budget paddle but it was 9.0 oz (aluminum) and so it was for me a power paddle. I was able to win points kind of easily off the serve and return so for a long time I did not really conceive of hitting drops and dinks (until maybe covid and I was watching every pro tourney). I think it's good to learn to keep your balls in the court but also work on the soft game as quickly as possible. I kind of regret playing maybe 2 years as a banger bc now I'm kind of obsessed about dinking and it is still a challenge to find people in rec who will want to dink. thanks for the great content
Thanks for the comment! Interesting situation, it’s true that not as many players are dinking in rec now. Except for at the highest level. For pros, the dink will never go away
very insightful - thx
Thank you!!
Control paddles with lead tape can be a good compromise
True!
Great information and advice. I greatly appreciate your insight. Thank you for sharing.
Makes total sense! Thanks!
Thanks James! Ps never would be tired of JI clinic but DF is great addition. If I was going to Atlanta I would definitely go.
Thanks for the comment!
James have Selkirk print a badass colorful backdrop for your videos......
Hahah ok I’ll ask
I didn't expect this answer, but it makes sense. Might well learn to control more power from the beginning.
You make a very good reason in explaining the power paddle . very good ideas. Thank you !
Now THAT is a thumbnail!
Hadn't thought about it that way, good perspective and it makes sense.
Here's a weird thought:
[Pickleball paddle companies ought to examine FPS games (particularly Battle royale's) and see what makes "the game" break? Always weapon-based: The most powerful weapon (+ the most control). Warzone is a prime example. 2-shot BR's were unbeatable before being nerfed].
There is a level at which the human hand-eye coordination for hitting a ball is not possible, and it is at this speed, whatever it actually is, which pickleball paddles have/will become too much for the game. The only way to technically correct this would be extending the range of the courts. (40 in nets, 20 foot kitchens, etc.) And...we don't want that.
how costly are selkirk backpacks ?
Respectfully disagree. The first question to ask is "What is your goal?". If you are someone who is consciously working on improving pickleball skills and technique, even in expense of losing more games then you could otherwise win today, James' recommendations make total sense. If you main goal is to win as many games as you can at your current level, you need the paddle that helps to counteract your deficiencies. I.E. if you are easy power (ex tennis) player that lacks in soft game, get a control paddle. If you feel like you don't have enough oomph on your shots and don't have put-away power on your overheads, get a power paddle.
My shot is too much power - i need to have a control paddle lol
@@JohnnyNguyen-v5rthanks for the feedback guys! Definitely making good points
this is just my opinion but starting with a very fast paddle when you first start will lead to bad habits. One will want to hit ball hard when it’s not warranted. You will develop bad techniques due to trying to hard to keep ball in play. You will lose confidence getting beat by players with great control causing general frustration and anger. Learn all the basic shots, tactics, and strategies with a control paddle before buying that power paddle.
Thanks for the comment! Totally get where you’re coming from. I think to master your game as quickly as possible, you learn the soft stuff and how to play the “right” way, with a power paddle. Gotta avoid the temptation to crush every ball though but if someone truly wants to become a great player; they will learn to play correctly.
Here's an idea. Find a game that doesn't piss everyone off in a 1 mile radius and makes EVERYONE hate you.
.... oh wait. It's called tennis.
Yeah. You should try tennis. Played by real athletes & doesn't make everyone hate you
Hahaha tennis is boring
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dont worry she was a PIA anyway
Stay strong Jimmy
I kinda disagree. You should start with a relatively cheap, control paddle until you are comfortable with the basics. Then switch to power paddle. What I agree is 1 year is too long to switch. Probably 3-6 months. No doubt about the need to move up the power though
If 2 players are having a hands battle and one is a better player than the other who wins ?
Does talent matter ?
If the talented player does not have as powerful a paddle as the other player then the talented guy is probably going to lose. This is wrong in my opinion. You shouldn't be able to win just because you have more powerful equipment.
I want talent to matter.
The other problem with these really powerful paddles is we get these really long dinking battles because no one wants to speed it up unless they have a really good look at the ball. If you speed up too soon the counter is so powerful the rally is over. Hands battles are fun to watch that's why we all enjoy watching the women play. With the guys it's over real quick. You are only standing 14 feet apart and there comes a speed where no one's reaction time is good enough to counter.
I get what you are saying but there is a reason that the game needs to be slowed down somewhat.
I think it will result in a game that is more fun to watch, more enjoyable to play, and be safer.
the more talented player wins the hands battles more than not regardless of power....a hands battle involves multiple shots not one, so your weaker player power paddle speeds up and gets countered for a winner....the better player speeds up, fools weaker and wins, the better player speeds up, gets countered by weaker player with power paddle who will either get countered and lose again or his power paddle gets him a point.....in these examples the better player wins 3 out of 4 scenarios