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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- UA-cam voice teachers and pedagogues, I see you. My #LaSperanzaChallenge video on UA-cam inspired lots of comments on how I could better approach singing a ridiculous and impossible high note for a baritone (missing the entire point of the video). In this Part 2 video, I thought I’d have fun and take their comments to heart by following their vocal instructions and comments. Behold lots of cracking, funny noises, and embarrassment.
All in all, I think it's great to have discussions about vocal technique and I'm just trying to have a positive experience with this since I'm only human. Now back to singing in the real world of Figaro, Don Giovanni, and Marcello.
For the full video where I attempt the #LaSperanzaChallenge: • #LaSperanzaChallenge |...
Next time can you try more expansion of the eyelids and a slight tilting of the right nipple. I think this is all you need to become a tenor. Keep trying. You're almost there.
OMG, best comment.
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hahahah
Jesus this is so on point
Yes, there's actually an old technique by some very unknown Italian masters who suggest that the high c is only possible when extending one's nipples. It's called Voce capezzola (or appoggio in capezzola) (= from Italian for 'tip of the breasts, as opposed to appogio in petto = the chest), but as really ANYbody knows by now (especially all those great hobby singers in front of their screens commenting on professional singers' techniques), most of today's singers (=all bad!) just don't have enough nipple power anymore! 😜
This is absolutely the level of salt and give-no-fuckery I’m looking to claim moving forward in this career post-covid. Truly inspiring stuff.
Calling out these arm chair vocal teachers is without a doubt the highlight of my day, and it's only 8:00 am!
Same. Also, WHO ARE THESE CLOWNS! Don't they know who you are?!
I see a bunch of people have gone to the Voice Teacher Word Salad Bar today.
This is like flat-earthers trying to teach Einstein how gravity works
Lol those "underdeveloped tenor" and "Old Italian Masters" comments just SCREAM "I learned everything I know about singing technique from the 'This is Opera!' channel".
I've yet to come across any recordings of ANY lyric baritones without the infamous "HE SOUNDS LIKE A TENOR!!" statements in the comment sections. It amuses me every time.
@@bharp4390 i Just want to smack them so much, especially when they say "full covered chest" and what not 🤦
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They said that to Titta Ruffo. I know, ridiculous!
@@azizquadri5824 I've heard people say it about Leonard Warren, as well.
This is Opera the technique for a loud but not resonating career of Max. 10 years
Therapy for me, thanks a lot. I am a basso profondo, and I really tire of people asking me to sing baritone parts ("Of course you can do it, just think up" or "you're not really a bass, you don't look like one!"). Further, its so good to hear you struggle, cos I struggle everyday.
Going after your teacher is SO uncalled for!! 🤬
So sorry these people are being idiots.
You’re my favorite singer, and have made me much more comfortable being a Lyric Baritone! Keep doin what you’re doin!
Sooo, this video kinda does what all those comments did, only this time, you are the culprit. You are reductive in "attempting" them when we all know no new technique works immediately when the musculature isn't trained in that way.
My message here has nothing to do with you being a tenor or a baritone. Sing what you want to sing and will get hired for. It is silly for anyone to claim they know more about your voice than you do.
BUT, dismissing some of those comments' actual content because they were unsolicited advice (though if you post a vid of that nature that is somewhat solicitous), is somewhat a shame when some of that content wasn't total nonsense, even if you don't wish to use it in your own singing.
Again, I think you should sing whatever you want.
Aside: Those who mention Ramon Vinay don't understand what kind of heft his voice had versus yours. You could sing so many different fachs and that is a sign of a talented voice. Even so, your instrument would never be as heavy as Vinay. Very few are. I bring him up just because people seem to think lyric baritones would be dramatic tenors, when a that's not really what we have seen from history. The are cavalier baritones or Verdi baritones first. Most of the time anyway.
I understand this vid was made more in the name of comedy, but...
Man, some people are so gullible!
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But next time if you REALLY want to accomplish this C5, you should try to abandon all knowledge of vocal technique and sing it with an entire case of YELLOW Gatorade in your system, and one box of toasty peanut butter crackers! Works every time for me!
Lucas Meachem: *Can sing a high B as a baritone which is very difficult and also very impressive*
People who know nothing about singing or opera: "But Is iT a HigH C ThO"
😂thank you for this
This video may be funny and entertaining but in truth, it is extremely educational and a great point of reference! There are many singers with instruments that stand between voice types. This is a beautiful demonstration of why we have to choose a certain voice type and fach. Congratulations on this great video, Lucas!
You keep being your best baritone self! You've made it this far without having to sing tenor, so lets not have foolish comments damage your already amazing voice!
LOLLLL everyone in the comments are just ridiculous, thinking they know for sure you’re a tenor, but then you’ve had a splendid career as a baritone so far. Good thing they don’t cast
From what I’ve seen in this video, everyone is saying remove the ‘weight’ . I think they identity your squillo as vocal ‘weight’. So they are actually saying you should remove the most precious quality in opera just so you can sing a C5 which is completely useless for the baritone repertoire
You’re already a pro singer booked years in advance. Even if you would try tenor repertoire, that would mean you’d need to cancel shows, roles, rehearsals just so you can try some tenor songs for a few years? Why not, but then why should you?
Also, if they are keen on you being a dramatic tenor, they should know that dramatic tenors do not sing C5 so much. Del Monaco was singing B4, transposing lower anything past it, sooooo ... yeah
I'm alternately wincing and cry-laughing over this. You are such a good sport, Lucas. I'm still convinced you are a lyric baritone heading toward more dramatic roles as you get older, hopefully more Verdi? Keep on singing and doing what's best for you!
Accurate assessment 😉👍🏼
This is literally gold 🤣!! And the comment on the “Italian Masters”... homie has read zero treaties on this because uh... yeah.. no.. weight in head voice? Nah lol. Thank you for being a good sport and doing this!
Yep
Haha excellent! That advice is all so hilariously tragic, but sadly the internet is full of that. Seems they missed the point entirely and also didn't realise that you sing at the highest level in the industry.
Lol i go through this all the time, people tell me I’m a baritone and a tenor. It gets frustrating. You are an outstanding baritone though!
I’m begging you to do more of these I’m sobbing laughing.
I feel like these people come from the misguided place that the higher your fach the more skilled you are. So in their own special way they were trying to say "hey you can do it, I believe in you"... 😂
But of course that's now how it works lol.
I also think people only respect the extremes. If you're not thrilling them with high notes or blowing their minds with crazy subharmonics, it means you're unremarkable. They ignore everything that makes a voice beautiful and a singer skillful.
Fun to watch, but I think it's a dangerous game listening to the random advices 🙂 although the voix mix worked!
That’s exactly it... trust yourself because you know your voice better than anyone.
@@LucasMeachem1 This is the most fun I’ve had in UA-cam in forever.
I love it when when self proclaimed experts and armchair critics try to give advice to world class singers....most of whom probably couldn't make their way though one of the 24 Italian Art songs.
And snap
Some people don’t understand that just because you have a great B-flat 4, that doesn’t make you a tenor. In my opinion, it’s much more about tonal quality and the color of the voice!
True, ı am a baritone and ı can hit B-flat but my lowest note is G#2, how is this possible if am a lyric tenor?
This man is not a tenor lol
@@icebabyellen5495 Exactly
Well, if that were the case, Lucas would seem MORE a tenor to most because of his tenoral color you just mentioned.
Instrument function is more important than color, but nothing happens in a vaccuum.
People employ so many different phonation strategies (before we even talk about resonance strategies) that affect tone quality etc.
Again, voices aren't nearly locked into a Fach as people think. It is more about strategy and desire than many want to admit. Like anything, things are more on a spectrum than not.
I stand by what I said in the first vid. He should sing what he wants to sing. He could sing some tenor roles if he cared to, he could stay in baritone rep as it seems to be his preference, or if the world were less lame, he could bounce back and forth as he cares to.
Rodolfo is not the only tenor role and certainly not an end all fach indicator. America's obsession with that silly speranza phrase in schools is really damning to any heavier tenor doing his studies.
Interesting, fun, genuine and honest - what a joy to watch!!
I am laughing so much my throat is hurting. Now I can't sing Lucas! 🤣🤣🤣
Oh dude you are so down to Earth and humble. And your baritone voice is beautiful.
PS: your high C cracks were super interesting. It would be a fun video to self-analyze what is going on when the crack occurs. You for instance get a very clear sound, despite the cracking, your vocal chords are closed, just somewhat uncontrollably (?).
These self proclaimed voice teachers don’t know what they’re on about. Keep doing what you’re doing, everyone enjoys it! 🔥 (also a side note): for people who think that baritones just need to lighten to get up to the high C (like the voix mix guy), baritones don’t have the capacity to go to the top even in that way which means that they can get away with more weight in the middle. Although more resonance helps too (which baritones have over tenors).
You are hilarious!!!! 😂😂bravo! Still excited for the Gilbert and Sullivan Barbiere! And you better find your full voice in your head, it’s somewhere behind the frontal cortex😂all the old masters knew it! Lobotomy is the best way to achieve an empty spirit and thus a free voice 😂😂
This was great! You have to be my favorite singer on the planet right now!
Fun video! Always inspirational to see a great talent share their limitations. I've just subscribed, and am sure you'll get loads more.
I'd love your thoughts on whether someone can be too old to get into operatic singing, how to get into it, and just general tips for adults starting from scratch. And if it's just a matter of finding a voice teacher, how to go about doing that. Maybe others would find your response interesting and it can be a separate video!
As a lyric baritone who can sing a G2-G4 consistently with some notes above and some notes below, I feel your pain. I believe it is ignorant to judge someone’s voice over a recording on UA-cam. It’s about how one can manage the tesitura of the tenor repertoire and of course the timber of the voice that determines a tenor voice. Most tenors I know can sing a high C hungover after waking up out of bed 😂 . Lucas is a lyric baritone and a damn good one at that and I hope to hear him live one day. I wish internet pedagogy the best but stay in your lane!
There are some people on UA-cam who believe that lyric baritones don't exist: we are all actually "underdeveloped" or "undeveloped" dramatic tenors. Same thing for lyric mezzos: they are all actually underdeveloped or undeveloped dramatic sopranos. That's where all those comments were coming from.
@@ER1CwC Ikr? It's cringe. I don't worry about it as much as I used to because there's not much we can do about it.
@@bradycall1889 I think they are actually right in some instances. But they take their thesis too far. There are usually good reasons why a high baritone or mezzo will choose not to become a low tenor or soprano.
@@ER1CwC Yes I agree.
As a tenor the "whining thing" is the only thing that made some sense to me. The rest was a complete joke. Made my day, thanks!
My teachers in highschool: you're a tenor who can sing baritone
My teacher in college: you're a baritone who can sing tenor.
Me: Don't you guys know for sure which one though?
Them: No
Me: WELL WHO DOES?!?!?!?!
Can relate.
Same here. They do not know what they are telling. 😂
It’s neither as simple nor clear-cut as people make it out to be.
@@gillianomotoso328 So many times it so obvious. And obviously it is a lack of knowledge.
@@thevoicepath It as in voice type?
Man, I'm a lyric baritone, studied opera, then did masters in Musical Theatre at the Royal Academy of Music and after almost 10 years of singing professionally I still get "Omg, You ArT a TenOR, why arE you singing Baritone". Apparently the internet has the best voice teachers, I've missed the mark with all those academies ;(
Thanks Lucas. You're a prince. We'll all keep at it - together.
Many of the great baritones of the past had so called experts suggest they were tenors. You’re the real deal and fricking rock!
God 😂This is actually fascinating for me as I'm currently going through the transition myself, writing a dissertation on the subject and so doing a heck of a lot of reading around this. What so many people don't seem to understand is high notes don't distinguish a tenor - so much of it is the stuff in-between and the tessitura of things. Sure you could probably bust out a lower sitting tenor aria in a similar way that Hampson has done previously - but that doesn't mean you can sustain it healthily, in your voice, for 4-5 shows a week.
What pushed me over the edge was finding ease and freedom in my modal voice, which just sits on that cusp - and finding I could get up to a Bb/B zone comfortably AND sustain around E/F/F#/G very comfortably. I had just been imitating what I heard in other baritones and adding a lot of unnecessary weight. I just sang my first St. Matthew Passion as a Choral Tenor (something I could never have seen myself doing beforehand).
Some of these youtube comment section teachers actually push some really dangerous and unhelpful ideas, sprinkled in with good thoughts and concepts which is what makes them insidious. Vocal science is constantly evolving and it's become the job of any decent teacher, researcher or continuing student to keep up to date, informed and having an open mind to trying new things, but a discerning mind to know when its not working.
OMG! You're crazy! Even to try these things is already insane. But, thanks for doing that.
Lolol this is so good. 😆 I hope other singers try out the "Voice Lessons From My UA-cam Comments" challenge. Some of the comments these armchair critics leave on superstars singers' videos... Yeesh!
great idea
You are the best. Thank you for everything. Your family is so bеautiful. Hi from Moscow.
Damn! Lucas taking the pain so we don't have to 😂😂
This is brilliant and I am laughing my tuchus off! Thank you for this! SUBSCRIBED
I think you’re a baritone. Like you, I used to receive comments like these all the time from people insisting that I was a tenor, and still I’ve never been able to sing anything above A4 with full resonance (except maybe two or three times in my life that I could get the B-flat out) or sustain the tenor tessitura. Also, I had a lesson with Marlena Malis once - you’re right, she’s a saint.
Wish the names weren’t censored. I need that kind of coaching in my life!
What a good sport! Hilarious!
All of these jokers are wrong. You are clearly a soprano and just haven’t worked hard enough. If you really focus, I am sure you will be able to sing the Queen of the night. That is the role you are born to sing.
I believe in you.
One of the funniest videos about singing of all time. Havent laughed this hard in a LONG long long time 1:23.
Imo, he sounds like a heldentenor/baritenor, im a baritone and even at my young age my voice is not as brigthish as his..but again im no expert in singing at all. Just some thoughts.
HI! posing from South korea, who is baritone also :) I studied singing, back to 2016, in IU, bloomington "jacob's school of music" for my undergraduate degree. wish I had a chance to get to know you sir ! when I was there!! enjoying your videos and learning so many good things through your videos ! thanks to you!! These days my dream is to meet you one day in singing :) I'm your number one fan!!! P/S : It will be such a big present to hear you singing "Cortigaini, vill razza " from Rigolletto. Please~~~ :)
I'm so glad you made this video! They can be so annoying lool
Funny 😁 According to some UA-cam posters if we don't have at least 4 octaves we must be doing something wrong... In reality all you need for opera is two beautifully controlled octaves. And not including squeaking at the top and growling at the bottom... And we all have a voice that falls most naturally and comfortably into a certain range. I'm contralto and won't lose any sleep over not being able to sing bass or coloratura soprano arias 😅
A riot!!! 🤣 Thanks, for the laugh!! I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY MOST PEOPLE THINK THE HIGHER, THE BETTER!!! It’s ridiculous. Why is being a high tenor/soprano the be-all, end-all? Should all flowers be roses? Should all desserts be chocolate? Ridiculous. I think the whole range should be developed. There’s nothing more painful to listen to than vocalists who sing above what is truly comfortable.
There is a UA-cam vocal guru who insists that Bryn Terfel is an undeveloped tenor. (‘Vin-eye’. Interesting he doesn’t know who this famous singer was.)
As a baritone, I experiment the same difficulties! Funny, isn't it? ;) Thank you, fun to watch!
1:12 hahahaha omfl 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you're so funny 😂
Couldn't stop laughing 😂😂 You are most certainly not a tenor but rather a lyric baritone. Just ignore these dumb comments from individuals who think they know more about the "proper" technique than the singers themselves. Too many to count nowadays.
I wonder, where is the whole Silver, TIO, Barone, etc. crew now?
Lol this was a funny video! I'd say more nasalize/bratty/snarl to sing that high note! Ribs up and out relaxed articulators.
Haha I wonder how many of these people left their tips and then realized this man performs at the MET lol
I love this video ❤️
Omg I’m crying laughing 😂 lol I’m dying
APPLAUSE when you hit it. This is fun stuff.
I admire your courage and willingness to listen to so many different points of view. This is proof of how convoluted the singing world is and how every singer/ voice teacher "thinks" they have the answer. Nature is the ultimate teacher everyone!
Oh man!!! I loved the video! Well done! Very inspiring, up lifting and specially clarifying. As a singing teacher myself, I have heard so much mambo yambo through out my career as a singer that all this try outs seem familiar!!! When singing becomes too complicated… there is something wrong to it. Singing a C5 does not make you a tenor… Same as singing an F 2 does not make you a baritone. A student of mine referred me to your video and I enjoyed it very much! Thanks again! All the best!
Agreed range doesn't determine voice type. It is only a small part of voice classification.
The great online maestri and maestre 😂😂😂
Lucas, nice video. I laugh a lot, because so many people comes with magical formulas, as if you weren't a professional. I saw the previous video your Bb and even B, and I think that only this would be enough for a lot of tenor roles. But the problem is the tessitura. You can reach Bb, for example, but sing songs that have many parts over G or Ab is difficult. I have an enormous difficulty too. For example, I reach Ab, but sing it in a song is completely different. But i think that in my case is a question of technic. If you could give some advices about people who don't know if is a baritone or tenor, I thank. For example, comment your evolution in terms of reaching each note over the years. For example, i am recently singing with no teacher and, in a question of 6 months, i go through F4 to Ab4. Until G4 i am relatively satisfied with the qualitaty, but Ab4 and A4 is still stringere. Thanks
I think it must be difficult to sing a High C like an opera, maybe you can do it in a more pop song, but in this style I think it's difficult
maybe I'm a lyrical baritone, but I managed to make the notes bb4, b4 and Db5 with a heated voice (and with even good quality) (I say I'm a baritone because of the timbre and weight of my voice)
This is fucking hilarious, I understand what people are trying to say but this guy is amazing at making the world of social media looks like the unexperienced critics they are. Also his voice reminds me of the proclaimed Verdi Baritone Joseph Shore. Though Joseph Shore could sing up to a high D it didnt sound beautiful and baritone like, it sounded High for his voice, well produced but not usable in opera or in tenor music BECAUSE HE WASNT A TENOR, it still was a high D. The larynx is a beautiful instrument and looking at it under a laryngeal scope so many mysteries and terms and misunderstands between schools of technique GET all washed away and you see the reality of it all. Just 2 vibrating cords, opening and closing stretching and contracting, everything else aside from breathing, resonance and articulation are pretty much people using appearance to describe function, instead of function to describe appearance.
Some voices are cable of stretching to the horizons and some are not they have a comfortable range stay in it, (As a Bass Opera singer who is compared to bass-baritones and baritones in my upper notes I know this all too well), but the voice the person has is STILL the voice, regardless of the note. He will always sound like a Baritone on a high C on a High Bb on a Low G and on every other note, its because thats just the reality, the nature of the larynx, it doesnt change or increase/decrease to what you want, it is what it is.
Subbing to your channel because this video is amazing and inspirational for a Bass like me who is told similar things when I sing stuff like Di Prozena or Largo al or Bella siccome yet im recognized as a Bass (thing*) when I sing Figaro in Le nozze, Mephisto in Faust and Gounod in Pelleas. People just dont understand the voice and recorded music help, how you record something plays a huge part, the operatic voice or music was NEVER meant to be experienced recorded and its SHOULD NEVER be compared to the studio magic of an offical recording or a mic'd singer. LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!
Exactly!
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The voice is a difficult instrument to learn from UA-cam because you can't see it and you don't even really know what you sound like, but still, I was hoping he would look at some of the more insightful viewer comments, rather than the silly ones.
I see you, fellow baritone who is told they are a tenor.
ain't it so
You failed to hit the High C, showing that you're not a tenor (though there are tenors without a high C)! But you also have a baritone's passaggio and low notes. As you already know yourself, you don't need a C5 anyways to be a good singer because it's not called for in baritone repertoire. I think in order to be a great and amazing baritone singer you only need an F#4 in chest voice, and you've already got a Bb4 in chest.
THEEEEEEE HOLLERING wherewith I didst HOLLER at THIS! 😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭‼I'm sitting here, thinking, "What's next? Suggesting he be castrated?" 😂🤣😭😂🤣😭😂🤣😭 You are SUCH a good sport! These people need to leave you alone with their "petty-gogy" and let you be the brilliant baritone you are!
So basically any baritone can sing a C5, if they put in the work. I need a tenor trying anything below C3 to prove that with the right technique, they can sing lower. 😂
😂 😂 😂 (deep breath) 😂 😂 😂 you’re such a good sport for entertaining these comments 😂
Voix mixte was the way Tito Schippa worked, Corelli and Del Monaco sound sometimes like baritones whith tremendous high A B C. Sure whith some workout Lucas can sing tenor pieces, in the same time his baritone whith high notes is superbe. People complaing about undeveloped tenors are right, nowadays tenors are laughable but baritones are often wonderfull, who knows, maybe the wheel turns 🤔
Spyres is a tenore di grazia, so it makes sense he “started” as a baritone. It is more likely that somebody misidentified his voice as baritone because he could sing somewhat low and could produce a convincing baritone color in his low range. He was then later correctly identified and the rest is history.
What is a tenore di grazia in particular?
@@Seraphatum It's approximately synonymous with leggero tenor, though I don't consider Spyres that.
@ Lucas Meachem, great videos! Do you take lessons? If you, include those lessons. Keep the videos coming!
LOL I laughed wayyy too hard at this video! I think it was the Kermit the Frog impression! Seriously though, we singers appreciate the vulnerability you show to the rest of us that "cracking" isnt the end of the world, especially when demonstrating how ridiculous the "arm chair" classical and breathing experts are! I love your work!
OMG!!! You are an amazing bariton!! The fact that you are attending those comments knowing you are not a tenor (what turns every advise nonsense) makes you even greater! I would be so glad of having your super technique!! So maybe the best advise would be …” transpose it into the bariton tesitura”
Agreed!
4:08 That advice was clearly taken from a UA-cam video where Angelo LoForese explains that a high C should feel like a high C in falsetto. Which I guess might work... if one's a tenor.
If someone sings high A-natutrals with worldclass perfection and can´t sing high C´s then there´s probably not technical problems that can be fixed in a day;) I must admit though that I would find it interesting if Michael Spyres gave you a lesson here on youtube.
In all seriousness I kinda see the dramatic tenor thing.
You might not BE a dramatic tenor but the difference between a lyric baritone and a dramatic tenor may not be so great in terms of repertoire.
Maybe you don’t have a high C, but since you have the easy A4 you might be able to do dramatic or spinto tenor arias with a bit of work-E Lucevan, Vesti. Not sure about Si pel ciel though. 😂
Why are the UA-cam armchair voice experts giving voice lessons to a fabulous, working baritone? Eye roll.
So just listen to the advice and let's all become tenors or sopranos!! 😂😂😂
Doesn't doing these exercises ruin your beautiful voice?
LOL so much my stomach aches!
I absolutely loved this video!!! Thanks so much for having a sense of humor and for being willing to crack repeatedly for all to see and hear. That took guts. As a tenor who started as a baritone, this is a video I will share to show just how tough it can be to switch. Not all baritones with great high notes like yours can automatically make the jump. Keep up the fantastic singing and never lose your joy and happiness! Can't wait to hear you in the opera houses again once we are all set free!
Oh, Dios, ¡ qué aburrimiento!!!
Profesor: ¿está aprendiendo o está enseñando ...?; o a lo mejor es parte del MIR, para la carrera de medicina...
Porque será que muchos profesores después de sus primeros vídeos " impecables"; el resto es " inaguantable"; yo lo llamo - "q ue puedo hacer hoy...ah si, un video"; es decir improvisaciones y que pase el tiemo; tiempo que yo no estoy para perder.
Where did some of these people study voice? I imagine many of them have NOT studied. The sheer ridiculousness of these ideas is astounding.
Step 1. don’t be yourself, be Franco Corelli
Step 2. you are now a tenor, even one of the greatest of all time
The last guy ruined this hilarious yet cool video.
Brilliant, thank you. F**k all the online experts and stick to your glorious baritone voice X
So much fun. Thank you for that. Love all the stuff you are doing on your channel!
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Yes easy, where will I post it?
You are a master....but,
How about slimmer vowels. Don't sing on the volume.
4:20 - “you need to throw off vocal weight to approach the quality of head voice” is what he means
I mean just by the tone of this video you clearly have too much balls to be a tenor dear sir! - signed: a tenor
Taking advice from a tenor to sing like a tenor is as amusing as a baritone telling a tenor to grow more hair below their belt to sound deeper!
Underrated comment
If you can squeak it out, you have the note. Jack Lavigni has a good video on it. I’m not saying you’re a tenor, but you might have the note if you sing it with tenor technique.
I think you might honestly not have it though. It happens.
@@josh95263 Many baritones can sing a chest C5 but it's not as resonant as a true tenor.
@@bradycall1889 I'd argue that when a low voice sings its highest note it will always be louder and more "resonant" (if it is able to be done in the same technique as lower notes, which it's not) than if a tenor sings a note close to their top range. Same reason for why a E5 is louder than a C5.
@@josh95263 No not really. Many tenors can sing E5 in chest voice but it doesn't sound as good as their C5. And for especially high tenors if anything they merely keep power.
@@bradycall1889 you just said it doesn't sound as good, which is true. But we were originally talking about resonance. The higher the chest voice goes, the louder it will become. You can have the waves hit certain parts of your oral cavity to add resonance, and it will have more resonance than lower notes.
The passaggio never lies.
until it does. Passaggio changes with phonation strategies. Example: his phonation strategy in Pop is different as he utilizes different fold depth etc to make Pop sounds. He regularly sings first gear, wide open sounds up to A at times in his Pop signing.
Honestly, voices are just far more elastic than we pretend. There are many operatic tenors who can't sing open as high as Lucas does in his pop gear. If one REALLY were to claim he is a tenor, it would be because of what we hear when he sings Pop.
But again, he is whatever he wants to be to a degree because this stuff is gray, and he has the material to sing various ranges well.
His passaggio in operatic singing is where it is because of choice. I guarantee he can make decent operatic sounds all the way through G without turning the voice. I'm not saying he should, just that he could. Cornell Macneil sang Fs and Fsharps wide open on all open vowels. Was he a tenor? nope. could he have been? I don't think so. I think he was a lower voice who didn't feel like it was necessary to cover that F as a rule just because that is what most do. he was still able to get into second gear above, so it wasn't an issue. And if you are strong enough to sing F and Es open consistently, Verdi baritone rep is much easier. It is just that most voices that can do that aren't as huge and deep as Mac's was. I didn't love his singing for most of my life because I was so annoyed that he didn't sing second Formant on those notes. Then I loosened up and got to appreciate what it was that he did do instead of focusing on how he offended my then too up-tight technical sensibilities. Do I prefer Warren's sound with his cover technique? Yes. But do we really think Mac had a higher voice that Warren simply because he sang in first gear higher? I would think not.
It just bums me out that so many people are flat-out dismissing so many different strategies as "wrong" just because it isn't what works for them.
Most have read Hines's Great Singers on Great Singing. Those people all contradict each other almost interview by interview. And beyond that, there are singers in that book who were pretty bad in my opinion and beloved by others. We can all be right.
@@youngornitier You are contradicting yourself if you care to consider my opinion irrelevant because I now sing as a tenor. I, like most Heldentenors of the past, sang the majority of my early career in the Kavalierbariton repertoire as it was appropriate at the time. That I don't still sing baritone is at odds with your claim that lower tenors are masquerading as baritones. No, simply Heldentenors don't really exist until after 30 and the old timers almost all came from baritone and moved up, unlike nowadays where we have many lyric tenors forcing their voices into repertory that isn't particularly suitable to their instrument. But then, every baritone with an easy top isn't automatically a lazy tenor either.
I think you are likely being too dogmatic about fach identification. No one really cares when a bass sings bass baritone or baritone. It is understood that voices can do many things depending on the needs of the role and a particular voice's tech and physical realities.
Basically, stamina is the distinguishing characteristic for many dramatic voices. Can they hold the tessitura or not. Like most athletic endeavors, that depends more on training and acquired strength than just "natural material".
I agree that many incomplete voices are singing in a fach that is likely too low for their potential. But there are so many different roles that require vastly different skills to be too dogmatic about these things. Siegmund, Bacchus, and Samson are all listed in the same Fach by most sources. Those roles require drastically different skill-sets and are mostly impossible to sing at the same time. Some tech adjustment is usually needed.
You have basses singing Escamillo, Giovanni, Golaud, and the like once they build the stamina for the top. That doesn't mean they were wrong when they were singing Leporello or Zuniga.
Feel free to attribute my opinion to me being a dumb tenor, but honestly, I have spent the vast majority of my career as a lower voice and I am pretty comfortable in my ability to discern basic material versus technical choices.
Good luck and I am happy you care about opera and good singing, even if we disagree on aspects of the discussion.
@@youngornitier This is so incredibly dogmatically locked into terminology. According to this ideology, no singer can sing more than one fach in their career. Lyric Tenors mature into lirico spinto all the time. The difference in tessitura and heft of the middle bottom is the primary delineation. Some singers slowly fill out as the instrument thickens. Most gain stamina and thus occasionally sing higher rep. As they change, the rep changes and then the label. Voices change and it doesn't mean they were wrong when they literally had physically different instruments and technique as younger singers.
Labels are all so arbitrary and we need not be beholden to the ridiculously rigid interpretation.
Your basketball analogy is incomplete. We aren't comparing random tall guys to tall guys who train to play basketball. Yeah, no kidding, that the average opera singer has more vocal talent than a random person. We are essentially talking about skillset and how the essential material is honed to play various positions. We are talking about nuance in the game, not whether somebody can play basketball. Some guys have the ability to play multiple positions and it is often dependent on context. Lebron has essentilly played four different positions throughout his career because he has the physical size to play big and the skill, dexterity, and smarts to play at guard.
Many things can be true at the same time, and bodies and voices change with training.
Domingo was never a baritone, even when he was young, and especially as an older singer. I, too think he has wrecked baritone rep and soundscape for a lot of the public. We agree there.
Saying Melchior sounded like a tenor when singing baritone isn't really some incredible statement. He was young in that recording and had he never decided to continue training the top. He probably could have filled the middle more as he aged, but who knows.
Leonard Warren and Ramon Vinay have very little vocal material difference. If anything, Warren was known to have had a better high C. Does that mean Warren was actually a tenor masquerading as a baritone? Does it mean Vinays's entire baritone career was B.S. ? According to your seemingly stringent reality, I guess Warren really was just lazy tenor. I think not. And still, I also think there are many tenor roles that he would have been amazing in.
Some voices are wonderful and always makes sense in one very traditional understanding of fach. Most others are able to do many different roles, train up different parts of their voices to successfully navigate different challenges a particular role may present. How we determine the fach of that role is more subjective than most realize.
Zwischen voices exist. Zwischen roles exist. Labels hurt more often than they help. Some singers have more range than others. Some change more in their physical development than others. It doesn't make them better. But to act as though everyone is only one "word" when the word itself is subjective is rather absolutist. That's just not how I believe we should all roll.
@@youngornitier That you think my own tenor recordings indicate anything about my ability to discuss voices is evidence that you have certain prejudices that are clouding all your arguments. My singing, nor yours matter at all to what we are talking about. You also have no idea what I sound like in various rep. Either way, it doesn't matter.
If you don't understand the relationship between lyric tenor to spinto tenor and how it relates to this conversation, you simply don't understand how close Verdi Baritone is to Heldentenor in tessitura. It is an apt comparison. The bigger issue with many folks is whether they are able to sing closed vowels on the top or just open vowels as we know German has a tendency to lean on closed vowels in the top of the male voice while Italian usually leans towards open vowel writing on the top. Some singers can do both effectively. Most are much better at one versus the other.
Warren had a beautiful ringing voice. His speaking voice was certainly baritonal. It wasn't bass/baritone, he was a Verdi baritone after all and never would have done lower Heldenbariton roles with that instrument. Heldenbariton is more Bassbaritone than baritone for most guys so to expect a bass speaking voice out of a Verdi baritone would be unreasonable.
Vinay, however, regularly spoke between low E and low A as a basis as evidenced by his interviews. There is a beautiful full length interview on YT in Spanish. What a gorgeous instrument. He was at his best in the Wagnerian rep, but his Iago and Scarpia are absolutely marvelous and sound as baritonal as anyone doing the rep. His attempt at bass was another matter and not as successful.
All great Verdi baritones have a useable and often spectacular Bflat.. Some can go higher. My point was exactly that top notes don't automatically mean someone can maintain that tessitura. But a technical approach can drastically alter what tessitura one can maintain. You don't seem to believe that latter while agreeing on the former. Fine.
I find it weird that you are so negative in your discussion approach. I find it disappointing that you, like many these days, think that one's identity is so paramount to a discussion of ideas. If you don't agree with me, that is fine. But lumping me with "tenors" as though that strengthens your argument is only a sad example of your dogmatically strict approach to truly flexible things.
What do you wish to win here? I'm saying people and voices change and that technique can help one sing a variety of roles in various operatic eras. The word baritone or tenor are not as important as people believe and many voices can do many different roles. Argante is as far away from Papageno as Renato is to Siegmund. Bacchus is much further away from Siegmund than Siegmund is to Renato. Oreste or Pelleas are regularly done by singers coming from opposite directions.
Singing is fun. Enjoy
@@youngornitier if you can possibly come to paraphrase me by claiming I say "tenors are baritones with high notes," I have clearly failed to articulate my position and/or you do not wish to read my words carefully. That is simply nowhere near what my argument has been. I'm not going to rewrite what I already have.
The word baritone and tenor are important to you. I still doubt you think that Vinay and Warren are further apart in vocal material than Vinay and Juan Diego Florez. The latter two are "tenors" and thus more similar by definition? I think not.
As far as your video compilation is concerned, your speaking voice lived in fry tone and is actually no lower than my voice. (As per your video as I know my voice, but don't know anything more of yours than what is given. You would be wise to take the same approach.) I, like most people have different speaking patterns depending on context, day, language, etc.
More importantly, speaking voices are often poor indicators for operatic fach since there are far too many cultural variables at play when analyzing speech patterns.
Good luck with your teaching.
I love your hand gestures, you look like you’re shoveling soup into your mouth.