Wow listening to these 3 calm and thoughtful former premiers was a pleasant change from the ever increasing loud and shrill scoldings of Andrea Horwath.
wientz. Horwath is just a shrew. Let’s always remember her and her daughter flirting around using air flights and charging a ton of clothes...TO THE TAXPAYER not too many years ago. DISHONEST shrew.
I wonder if Horwarth would ever use this clause? Damn right she would! Doug Ford is completely within his provincial rights as Premier to use this clause as it is part and parcel of our national constitution.Thank god for the forward thinking Peter Lougheed, because without this clause we would be at the mercy of a single appointed judge upstaging democracy!
No I wouldn't! I know the the history and reason this Clause was granted to all provincial governments, thanks to the hard work and foresight of the late, great Peter Lougheed! The courts do not override provincial jurisdiction. I would have no right to complain about Horwarth using this provincial legality! Thankfully, Horwarth will never be in a position to ever use it!
I had to smile at the reaction from the Host when all three past Premiers agreed that Premier Ford could legally use the clause and that he is the ultimate authority and Trudeau has absolutely no authority here. They all wisely did not say he should or should not use it but that he is elected and will ultimately answer to the electorate. And they all agreed that Trudeau will possibly be expected to finally use this or similar authority to get the pipeline built. If he does not, Trudeau will again be answering to the electorate.
....well if Trudeau does use it to get the pipeline built, he would have put his foot in his foot in his mouth yet again since he was quick to criticize Ford. Yet another blunder in the horizon.
Trudeau actually does have a legal right to prevent Ford's action, but he won't, because it would be as ridiculous as using the notwithstanding clause to throw chaos into a municipal election rather than appealing a court decision.
@@Hyperpandas ..he won't intervene simply because he's screwed up so many times already, that this would absolutely get all 10 premiers against him. It will be the end of him even before the 2019 election
This is where Canadian politics sharply differs from US. Notice that both Christy Clark and Jean Charet are Liberal Party former premiers yet they judge Conservative Doug Ford's decision based on law not on political affiliation.
Well not really. They are all former premiers. They are speaking logically, but I'd be curious how their opinions would have differed if they were still premiers.
..yes. because they understand all the noise is from the far left politicians and media two-bit cronies. This is a necessary tool so that unelected judges don't can't handcuff the system
I voted for him, So far haven't heard any sufficiently good reasons to do this. Saving money by itself on the counselors is an idiotic idea. One needs a really detailed policy on all this stuff at the very least it would involve the likely counter measures, and we already know what the response will be: It will be more bureaucracy, or neighbourhood councils. Even if Ford can what the council for the rest of his term/s that isn't his job, and one day he will be gone. Simplistic solutions with long tails often don't work out how one wants them to.
@@HondoTrailside There's too many councilors trying to figure things out together and there's too many opinions to be heard and things just take longer that way. It's like trying to have 3-4 mechanics all work on a car at once...not necessary 1 is usually enough to fix one car. Doug has mentioned before even other cities larger then Toronto both in population and In area have half the councilors.
Finally someone who tied Trudeau's hands.. Now we just need someone to handcuff him and throw the traitor and his liberal partners in prison.You go for it Doug Ford. Finally a premier that listens to us.
Whaaaat? Now, where did I say "municipal chaos" and how it would affect me? Here, Read, if you can from this web page whatever your article(s) your heart desires. You could start with the Toronto Scum as it possibly would be one you would agree with. www.google.com/search?q=THERE+WILL+BE+MUNICIPLE+CHAOS+IN+TORONTO&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab In short, I dont have an answer for a statement I didn't make.
I am sorry but I make a habit of not listening to what people say but what they avoid saying and what they actually do. So far I have seen false claims by him and unknown claims by members of his family amounting to what may be criminal activities. I am of the camp that making a good thing from illegal and immoral means does not make it right. Making is right is doing what is right the right way.
Doug was put there by us, THE PEOPLE...lol. And we aren't going away so you should probably get on the right side of things now. The Liberal government are done in Ontario & they are going to be done in Canada too!
+Steven Williams "they are going to be done in Canada too!" Not likely, as it stands now, Trudeau will be re-elected next year. And Doug Ford will be a one term Premier.
He is doing what the voters want. All beaurocracy and gubimints re characterized by 1) Stupidity, 2) Corruption. Lesser gubimint the better. Otherwise try Venezuela.
She is just looking for brownie points with her friends. And Quebec should of never used that clause, but remember the the Quebec people are not like the Canadian people in a lot of views.
Yes I am excited to see Maxim’s party!!! Stop the huge payouts to Economic migrants who are illegal but Trudeau is paying them to stay in hotels on our taxpayers money while our vets and homeless suffer
Christy Clark, Former Premier of British Columbia thank you, the elected Premier / Prime Minister or President is answerable to the voters. Lawyers or Judges are not. Ford is elected premier of Ontario.
Premiers and Prime Ministers are chosen by the most elected MP/MPP in the legislature. However, judges are not, they still play an important role in our democratic system.
Cloudspeaker I know common sense is hard to comprehend for uneducated people like yourself. But your probably a Liberal so being addicted to poverty is prob the norm for you.
By the way, all 3 former premiers clearly supported and justified Ford's decision in terms of constitutionality and his RIGHT to invoke it. They clearly stated that it's up to him, elected person, to make this political call. Not up to appointed Balababab elected by Nobody.
Hey CBC; why have we not seen one interview that agreed that Toronto city council is dysfunctional ? The Toronto councils have been dysfunctional for decades ! Look what we don’t have now that Toronto has completely built up .... insufficient subways.... insufficient expressways ..... waterfront is gone !
Right on Bill … Toronto actually expropriated some and notified others of a move to build an expressway roughly parallel to the CN tracks in the east end, and also to continue the Allen Expressway into the city, but low and behold that was in the 70s and it still has not been done.
-22 Toronto city councillors, their budgets, offices and staff, per year until changed. This should save the GTA / Ontario multi-millions. It's a start. 10 new Ontario hospitals a month in interest being paid on Ontarios debt.
@@horsesinheaven1364 I'm not sure I understand. In any case, I wonder why there is no discussion or information being made available regarding the size of municipal councils in, for example, Vancouver or Montreal? Is Toronto really over-represented by their municipal counsellors?
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 I am told that there is a second layer to the LA city hall bureaucracy whereby there is appropriate representation of the city population. Did you know about that?
Although i dislike the reporter try to set the tone and a clear agenda behind as always for cbc. I do give credit for them to bring these premier together and discuss this matter and well answered by these premiere dispite different party and political background.
Bravo, finally people who understand the actual issues. And I love how Jean Charest let the worse kept secret out of the bag about how dysfunctional Toronto city hall really is. "everyone know how difficult it is to manage" was his exact words, now contrast that with John Tory's belief that Toronto politics is a well oiled machine. And some very good points from Christy Clark who, if I dare say looks more relaxed and happier in the private sector.
Rob Ford is not my fave but he is doing the right thing! Trudeau has proven he is not here for Canadians! The rule of law includes section 33! Governments are too big and not accountable! Quebec has used it excessively not Mr. Ford!
Joe mariconadas slow down, Sir. We all know who she meant. She got a like from me for her honest opinion. Rob was my great neighbour and not the first to make a self-fatal mistake. All the good Rob did, still can’t be over-shadowed.
sandy zha. Thanks.. Take a look at Maxime Bernier. Im a 4th generation Canadian & I’m a second generation Conservative...but, I CANNOT support Andrew Scheer. The Conservative ballot-burning before a recount could be done since it was SO close... was illegal. Bernier was upset, of course. Wouldn’t you be, if you were Bernier? Having the dairy cartel all voting just for paid-Scheer?? He even gloated publicly the dairy cartel win, by drinking milk to rub it into Canadians who voted for Max Bernier. Scheer has met recently with Soros! WHY? Scheer supports Trudeau and illegals! This Soros paid Justin Trudeau who said “The very concept of a nation founded by European settlers is offensive to me. Old stock white Canadians are an unpleasant relic, and quite frankly replaceable...and we will replace them.” Justin Trudeau Enough said about my great grandparents and Grampa. NO HANDOUTS! Just 2 World wars to fight! And Scheer supports Trudeau. I cut up my Conservative card. My money & support will go to MAXIME BERNIER FOR PRIME MINISTER IN 2019. Sandy, check him out, since you are supportive for Doug Ford, you’ll see much to like about Maxime. “The People’s Party”. REAL conservatism. 🙋🏼
13:52 I think it was Vassy's laughter after Brad Wall explained that using the NWC had been no big deal which was the moment when she realized she wasn't going to get anything to use to tar Ford with. Not a single soundbite to put on repeat. It puts a spotlight on how histrionic the accusations Toronto commentators have been making against Ford, and the Premiers' unanimity reveals how beyond the pale of ordinary discourse their reaction really is.
Well as for Trudeau, we will definitely reflect on his actions over the years. There are hundreds of town councils and city councils across this country that are bloated.
I would vote for any conservative MP that would follow both Christy Clark or Brad Wall as leaders of the Conservative Party. Both have steady hands, cool tempers and know what they are talking about.
All this time I am thinking N D P & L I P are for people I don’t think any more why they like to tax and spend can any explain to me 47 M C better than25 mean time we are saving 25 mil that worth to save I haven’t use 3 government members service last 40 years u think I going need now good for Doug Ford G O G O
I don't think people should panic yet , section 33 is there for a reason, now if the Premier of Ontario begins to utilize the clause with every legislation. It would ultimately should be a cause of concerned, however as the Premier reflected the section has to be renewed every 5 year's, if the electorate does not agree they are free to choose in the next election if the section should be renewed
Fantastic panel, very informative and objective. Hopefully all of those people that think the sky is falling will take note of the information presented here.
Wow, big shocker here, three essentially conservative, corporate friendly premiers agree with the corporate friendly premier of Ontario. Good job CBC, you always present a range of perspectives!
Doug Ford: petty use of provincial power to get back at a city council that didn't like him. Plus, pretty obvious lack of understanding of the division of powers in a democracy ("I was elected. A judge is appointed.") Sad.
wow the CBC with actual information. A real panel of people with real answers. Didnt think the CBC had it in them anymore, even tho the interviewer still tried to get Ford thrown under the bus. It backfired on the CBC and we got real news for a change. I can even actually comment on this story, about time CBC, cant wait until you are defunded, tired of paying for your propaganda.
Level headed interview. I haven't listened to CBC since the election and subsequent bashing of whites on a daily basis. THANKS CBC you're doing your job and maybe now I'll consider listening again.
I’m glad there is a way for Canadians to protect themselves from abusive government. Toronto has been barraged with abuse from beurocrats and my hope is that the people will assertively stand their ground. And if they can do it, other cities can too!
I agree with her on this issue, but she is a terrible politician. Stole hundreds of thousands of dollars. And she's a state capitalist, very bureaucratic rather than free market capitalist.
Doug Ford is doing great for Ontario. Toronto don't need that many elected Politicians at City Hall there are city's like Los Angeles and other bigger city's then Toronto that has less then Toronto and they are doing great why can't Toronto do the same.
The notwithstanding clause will have to be used more and more because of the way in which our judges are taking it upon themselves to grind things to a halt here in Canada. For example, whenever cabinet provides approval for a major project such as a pipeline, a law to that effect (invoking the notwithstanding clause) will have to immediately be passed to provide protection from the courts, and while not everyone will agree with this, the vast majority will, and that's what counts.
I am so incredibly proud of our elected Premier Doug Ford. Lets remember that Ontario voters just overwhelming voted Conservative and for the entire Doug Ford platform. We Ontario voters were so disgusted with Dalton McGinty and Kathleen Wynne that we sent the Liberals from a MAJORITY government down to just 7 seats, which is 1 seat BELOW an official party, so Ontario voters are so pissed off at Liberals that we don't even see them a political party anymore. So now we have the Liberal media, enraged at the resounding loss, which have started their harassment campaign against Doug Ford. This will be much worse than when The Toronto Star harassed Rob Ford and was probably complicit in his quick health decline. One thing we do know is that The Notwithstanding Clause was so obscure that the Liberals didn't even know about it, because they SURE AS HELL would have used it. And that is concerning me now. Even the dumbest Liberals, and there are over 1 million of them who barely remember to breath, are now waiting for their chance to use thus clause, and as we've seen from Liberal's past record of destruction, they will use this clause like its a regular part of their day. Liberals, shut the hell out, get out the way and just go smoke some pot somewhere. The adults are here now and we've got big chances to make to fix all the crap the last two Liberals almost destroyed the province on.
It should have been noted that this issue was brought to the courts by the elected city councillors of Toronto. Framing this as elected officials vs technocrat judges is misleading. This is more of a battle between the premier and the city of Toronto and that's why people are condemning the democratic use of the clause.
The notwithstanding clause was put into the Constitution for a specific reason. The Premiers of the day who insisted on the clause were seemingly as prescient as the architects of the American constitution. It's almost as if they foresaw activist courts becoming a reality.
Yes, that's right CBC, the Ontario government is doing the correct thing here in getting this done quickly. The sooner the better so Toronto can have their election and vote in Faith Goldie for mayor, to help prevent Toronto from turning into a Chicago gangland.
The authors of the not with standing clause have said that the clause was never intended to be used in this way . It was intended to be used in situations where there is a deadlock and it is critical that a decision be made . This does not meet that standard and incidentally was not a platform which he campaigned on and he was not given a mandate by the electorate. This was an issue he brought with him from his days on Toronto City council . More a case of vindictiveness rather than duty to Ontarians
wow, suddenly i respect these 3 way more then i did before. Doug ford is reminding toronto that they are part of a provincial system. Toronto is used to getting everything and anything it wants the rest of Ontario be damned, ford has a province to run, and this is just a re settling of the roles into their traditional places.
Unfortunately, the Canadian Charter of Rights, like the Human Rights Declaration, often get in the way of legal and governmental efficiency. They also allow cover for many shady individuals to execute their plans with impunity. The LAW must serve and protect the people, and must never become LAW for the sake of LAW.
The flaw is the sheepeole... not paying attention to the implications of this clause and its potential use. "Not withstanding" clause can suspend very many sections of the Charter. That includes: freedoms of expression, conscience, association and assembly; life, liberty (like being jailed for cause) and the security of the person (Privacy); and equality. All can be set aside using the not withstanding clause. That clause should really go away.
It's actually ironic that some individuals believe they can challenge the Ontario Premier through the court system. Yet when the Premier has the right to use both the legal and voters end of the spectrum which is represented through the not withstanding clause. It seems to be problem with them. This actually proves the NDP Party believes in the Dicatorship type Party over an elected one.
Where are we the tax payers are protected against criminal systems embezzling money from tax payers creating more and more taxes for working class must be limited from criminals in governments.
The CBC should have more people on like this who actually know what they are talking about
Good job CBC you finally got something right
Leroy Cassell iiiiii
Wow listening to these 3 calm and thoughtful former premiers was a pleasant change from the ever increasing loud and shrill scoldings of Andrea Horwath.
I agree!
wientz. Horwath is just a shrew. Let’s always remember her and her daughter flirting around using air flights and charging a ton of clothes...TO THE TAXPAYER not too many years ago. DISHONEST shrew.
Donny VR6 me too. Her temper tantrum was embarrassing to see for us that pay their salaries.
When she couldn't answer a simple question during the elections that's when I lost all respect for her.
Let her scream, that will only discredit her with normal people.
I wonder if Horwarth would ever use this clause? Damn right she would! Doug Ford is completely within his provincial rights as Premier to use this clause as it is part and parcel of our national constitution.Thank god for the forward thinking Peter Lougheed, because without this clause we would be at the mercy of a single appointed judge upstaging democracy!
And you would complain like crazy if she did.
And what's the point of a constitution??
No I wouldn't! I know the the history and reason this Clause was granted to all provincial governments, thanks to the hard work and foresight of the late, great Peter Lougheed! The courts do not override provincial jurisdiction. I would have no right to complain about Horwarth using this provincial legality! Thankfully, Horwarth will never be in a position to ever use it!
Google it! It's an exhaustive piece of literature. Pay particular attention to section 33!
Lone Wolf
and that is the pathetic part of it all that the leftist are putting their ideology first instead of being fair
I had to smile at the reaction from the Host when all three past Premiers agreed that Premier Ford could legally use the clause and that he is the ultimate authority and Trudeau has absolutely no authority here. They all wisely did not say he should or should not use it but that he is elected and will ultimately answer to the electorate. And they all agreed that Trudeau will possibly be expected to finally use this or similar authority to get the pipeline built. If he does not, Trudeau will again be answering to the electorate.
....well if Trudeau does use it to get the pipeline built, he would have put his foot in his foot in his mouth yet again since he was quick to criticize Ford. Yet another blunder in the horizon.
Trudeau actually does have a legal right to prevent Ford's action, but he won't, because it would be as ridiculous as using the notwithstanding clause to throw chaos into a municipal election rather than appealing a court decision.
Trudeau 2019!
@@Hyperpandas ..he won't intervene simply because he's screwed up so many times already, that this would absolutely get all 10 premiers against him. It will be the end of him even before the 2019 election
If Trudeau doesn't have the authority to do that, then Ford doesn't have the authority to mess with our election.
This is where Canadian politics sharply differs from US. Notice that both Christy Clark and Jean Charet are Liberal Party former premiers yet they judge Conservative Doug Ford's decision based on law not on political affiliation.
Excellent point.. TY
Well not really. They are all former premiers. They are speaking logically, but I'd be curious how their opinions would have differed if they were still premiers.
The liberals of BC are really conservatives so Christy Clark's comments are expected.
Jean Charet ran for the leader of the Conservative federal party at a point in time and lost to Kim Campbell
The PCs are still partisan hacks. Their platform is basically disagree with the Liberals. Cant say the other parties are any better. But go DOUG!
I commend all of our Premiers for supporting Prem Ford.
..yes. because they understand all the noise is from the far left politicians and media two-bit cronies. This is a necessary tool so that unelected judges don't can't handcuff the system
WE The People are with FORD!!!
Yes we are
I voted for him, So far haven't heard any sufficiently good reasons to do this. Saving money by itself on the counselors is an idiotic idea. One needs a really detailed policy on all this stuff at the very least it would involve the likely counter measures, and we already know what the response will be: It will be more bureaucracy, or neighbourhood councils. Even if Ford can what the council for the rest of his term/s that isn't his job, and one day he will be gone. Simplistic solutions with long tails often don't work out how one wants them to.
@@HondoTrailside There's too many councilors trying to figure things out together and there's too many opinions to be heard and things just take longer that way. It's like trying to have 3-4 mechanics all work on a car at once...not necessary 1 is usually enough to fix one car. Doug has mentioned before even other cities larger then Toronto both in population and In area have half the councilors.
I'm disappointed he unfollowed me on twitter. But were still good.
Finally someone who tied Trudeau's hands.. Now we just need someone to handcuff him and throw the traitor and his liberal partners in prison.You go for it Doug Ford. Finally a premier that listens to us.
And you live in Toronto and want municipal chaos???
Whaaaat? Now, where did I say "municipal chaos" and how it would affect me? Here, Read, if you can from this web page whatever your article(s) your heart desires. You could start with the Toronto Scum as it possibly would be one you would agree with. www.google.com/search?q=THERE+WILL+BE+MUNICIPLE+CHAOS+IN+TORONTO&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab In short, I dont have an answer for a statement I didn't make.
GO FORD GO you ran on saving tax payers money and you are keeping that promise
you are happy now because it supports you what will you say on the day he uses this clause against you. Will you support it then??
Murray Bogart
Obv not. But why do u assume he'd do that? Ford is for the people. Why don't u see that?
I am sorry but I make a habit of not listening to what people say but what they avoid saying and what they actually do. So far I have seen false claims by him and unknown claims by members of his family amounting to what may be criminal activities. I am of the camp that making a good thing from illegal and immoral means does not make it right. Making is right is doing what is right the right way.
Doug was put there by us, THE PEOPLE...lol. And we aren't going away so you should probably get on the right side of things now. The Liberal government are done in Ontario & they are going to be done in Canada too!
can't wait for 2019
+Steven Williams "they are going to be done in Canada too!" Not likely, as it stands now, Trudeau will be re-elected next year. And Doug Ford will be a one term Premier.
Possibly, but I'm sensing the "winds of change" globally. Either way I won't suffer & will even be a good sport about it...
+Steven Williams I am sensing the last hurrah of certain dying out ideologies.
He is doing what the voters want. All beaurocracy and gubimints re characterized by 1) Stupidity, 2) Corruption. Lesser gubimint the better. Otherwise try Venezuela.
The snowflakes must be having a meltdown after listening to what these Premiers had to say. Perfect.
It's funny how desperate the CBC host is and how she kept trying to convince the 3 former premiers to go along with her Liberal politics.
That's a typical biased liberal media. It just goes to show where the people that work for CBC have their lips planted
A CBC reporter interviews three premiers who all appear to support the use of the notwithstanding clause. It's her job to ask probing questions.
Brainwashing 101. Repeat what you want people to think while only showing liberal views to the people.
She is just looking for brownie points with her friends. And Quebec should of never used that clause, but remember the the Quebec people are not like the Canadian people in a lot of views.
i emailed doug today and said i backed him. i think maxime bernier is on track to. we'll see.
good luck canada. gare
Yes I am excited to see Maxim’s party!!! Stop the huge payouts to Economic migrants who are illegal but Trudeau is paying them to stay in hotels on our taxpayers money while our vets and homeless suffer
℅100 agreed with Ford. Too much money getting wasted in Toronto city hall
Faith Goldy for Mayor!
... that's right. Even if she's not getting any media coverage (since they are ignoring her), she should be elected
Christy Clark, Former Premier of British Columbia thank you, the elected Premier / Prime Minister or President is answerable to the voters. Lawyers or Judges are not. Ford is elected premier of Ontario.
Being elected premier does not make you the supreme leader. You are still subject to the law.
HHM no President in Canada thanks
Premiers and Prime Ministers are chosen by the most elected MP/MPP in the legislature. However, judges are not, they still play an important role in our democratic system.
Democracy = Power to the People. Giving power to the judges to run the province is an Oligarchy . Thanks to Ford Ontario is still a democracy.
Leadership is not easy, but someone has to take charge. It gives security to the people who are under a heavy burden financially.
I prefer leaders who are verbal.
Erm, I wish to know how this shall serve the poor. Go on, I'll wait...
Cloudspeaker I know common sense is hard to comprehend for uneducated people like yourself.
But your probably a Liberal so being addicted to poverty is prob the norm for you.
A bold assumption! It must hurt to lose your six-figure job Mr. Politician. More tax savings for those who have to struggle to live in Toronto.
@@philadelphiainternationalu4351 I'll bet my life's salary right now the taxes in Toronto will NOT go down.
By the way, all 3 former premiers clearly supported and justified Ford's decision in terms of constitutionality and his RIGHT to invoke it. They clearly stated that it's up to him, elected person, to make this political call. Not up to appointed Balababab elected by Nobody.
Jean Charest is THE single most corrupted and anti-democratic leader Quebec has ever had. Practically a mafia member.
We heard you the 1st,2nd and how many times before give it a break..ALREADY....OMG..or are you just some lieberal troll..lol!!
Hey CBC; why have we not seen one interview that agreed that Toronto city council is dysfunctional ? The Toronto councils have been dysfunctional for decades ! Look what we don’t have now that Toronto has completely built up .... insufficient subways.... insufficient expressways ..... waterfront is gone !
Right on Bill … Toronto actually expropriated some and notified others of a move to build an expressway roughly parallel to the CN tracks in the east end, and also to continue the Allen Expressway into the city, but low and behold that was in the 70s and it still has not been done.
-22 Toronto city councillors, their budgets, offices and staff, per year until changed. This should save the GTA / Ontario multi-millions.
It's a start.
10 new Ontario hospitals a month in interest being paid on Ontarios debt.
Toronto is a very large city.
Anne Goodwin far too big. Some need to return to their own countries to rebuild. Peace is there. Get moving.
@@horsesinheaven1364 I'm not sure I understand. In any case, I wonder why there is no discussion or information being made available regarding the size of municipal councils in, for example, Vancouver or Montreal? Is Toronto really over-represented by their municipal counsellors?
Anne Goodwin Toronto has the largest city council in Canada. It is larger than Los Angeles ffs, who have more people than our ENTIRE COUNTRY. Got it?
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 I am told that there is a second layer to the LA city hall bureaucracy whereby there is appropriate representation of the city population. Did you know about that?
Christie Clark is awsome
Although i dislike the reporter try to set the tone and a clear agenda behind as always for cbc. I do give credit for them to bring these premier together and discuss this matter and well answered by these premiere dispite different party and political background.
WE LOVE YOU DOUG FORD!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
We need that clause in the states!
Hes a carpenter, using all the tools in his toolbox....stop having a hissy fit media.
Some judges look ridiculous even without the wig -- thank the Lord that we have the notwithstanding clause with which to unfrock such clowns...
Andrea Horwarth sounds like one of those high school girls who judge the least popluar one in the hall way😂😂
Bravo, finally people who understand the actual issues. And I love how Jean Charest let the worse kept secret out of the bag about how dysfunctional Toronto city hall really is. "everyone know how difficult it is to manage" was his exact words, now contrast that with John Tory's belief that Toronto politics is a well oiled machine. And some very good points from Christy Clark who, if I dare say looks more relaxed and happier in the private sector.
Drain the swamp, Doug!
PEOPLE'S PARTY OF CANADA! TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE!
An important and evenly handled segment. Well done CBC.
Rob Ford is not my fave but he is doing the right thing! Trudeau has proven he is not here for Canadians! The rule of law includes section 33! Governments are too big and not accountable! Quebec has used it excessively not Mr. Ford!
It's DOUG Ford. Rob passed away!!!
Joe mariconadas slow down, Sir. We all know who she meant. She got a like from me for her honest opinion.
Rob was my great neighbour and not the first to make a self-fatal mistake. All the good Rob did, still can’t be over-shadowed.
Agree!!!!
sandy zha. Thanks..
Take a look at Maxime Bernier. Im a 4th generation Canadian & I’m a second generation Conservative...but, I CANNOT support Andrew Scheer. The Conservative ballot-burning before a recount could be done since it was SO close... was illegal. Bernier was upset, of course. Wouldn’t you be, if you were Bernier?
Having the dairy cartel all voting just for paid-Scheer?? He even gloated publicly the dairy cartel win, by drinking milk to rub it into Canadians who voted for Max Bernier.
Scheer has met recently with Soros! WHY? Scheer supports Trudeau and illegals!
This Soros paid Justin Trudeau who said
“The very concept of a nation founded by European settlers is offensive to me. Old stock white Canadians are an unpleasant relic, and quite frankly replaceable...and we will replace them.” Justin Trudeau
Enough said about my great grandparents and Grampa. NO HANDOUTS! Just 2 World wars to fight!
And Scheer supports Trudeau.
I cut up my Conservative card. My money & support will go to MAXIME BERNIER FOR PRIME MINISTER IN 2019.
Sandy, check him out, since you are supportive for Doug Ford, you’ll see much to like about Maxime. “The People’s Party”. REAL conservatism. 🙋🏼
Refreshing that we still have a voice. I can't really come to grips with the fact that we do.....
Premiers be like “We are the boss! B-O-S-S!” Go Ford!
13:52 I think it was Vassy's laughter after Brad Wall explained that using the NWC had been no big deal which was the moment when she realized she wasn't going to get anything to use to tar Ford with. Not a single soundbite to put on repeat. It puts a spotlight on how histrionic the accusations Toronto commentators have been making against Ford, and the Premiers' unanimity reveals how beyond the pale of ordinary discourse their reaction really is.
I'm happy that we have such law.
Because you hate your rights?
Well as for Trudeau, we will definitely reflect on his actions over the years. There are hundreds of town councils and city councils across this country that are bloated.
Stop the growth and infringement of government.
Ron M I see jobs moving where people love business and hate illegals...SOUTH.
Finally someone standing up for the voting majority, good job Dough Ford.
I would vote for any conservative MP that would follow both Christy Clark or Brad Wall as leaders of the Conservative Party. Both have steady hands, cool tempers and know what they are talking about.
Go Ford go!
👍👍👍
All this time I am thinking N D P & L I P are for people I don’t think any more why they like to tax and spend can any explain to me 47 M C better than25 mean time we are saving 25 mil that worth to save I haven’t use 3 government members service last 40 years u think I going need now good for Doug Ford G O G O
#fordnation #draintheswamp
No one likes a spider for a judge.
How refreshing to hear clear voices of leadership
When somebody says Mulroney first thing that comes to mind is liar: introduced GST as a temporary measure but changed his mind down the road.
I don't think people should panic yet , section 33 is there for a reason, now if the Premier of Ontario begins to utilize the clause with every legislation. It would ultimately should be a cause of concerned, however as the Premier reflected the section has to be renewed every 5 year's, if the electorate does not agree they are free to choose in the next election if the section should be renewed
Finally, a political putting the needs of people on the front burner! Go Doug Ford!!!!!
The only time I ever agreed with the former BC premier. I love her views on this and always love her keeping me ABREAST of the situation.
This is refreshing, listening to 3 former Premiers, it is the proper thing to do!
"going full Venesuela"... Brad Wall rocks!
Fantastic panel, very informative and objective. Hopefully all of those people that think the sky is falling will take note of the information presented here.
Ford Nation Rules. 😀❤
Power to Doug Ford
Wow, big shocker here, three essentially conservative, corporate friendly premiers agree with the corporate friendly premier of Ontario. Good job CBC, you always present a range of perspectives!
We need this in the U.S.
Honestly a very interesting discussion, good anchor as well.
Doug Ford: petty use of provincial power to get back at a city council that didn't like him. Plus, pretty obvious lack of understanding of the division of powers in a democracy ("I was elected. A judge is appointed.") Sad.
Thank God for Doug Ford
Brad Wall would make one Hell of a Great PM!
No more Lies and Deceit! No more making cash off Dope The Trudeau ways! Justice for Canada Jail Time for Justin Trudeau!
I'm surprised cbc hasn't blocked the comments section....give it time!
Go Dougy!
We love Doug Ford! Liberal B.S. is finally over in this province! The will of the people will be done!
wow the CBC with actual information. A real panel of people with real answers. Didnt think the CBC had it in them anymore, even tho the interviewer still tried to get Ford thrown under the bus. It backfired on the CBC and we got real news for a change. I can even actually comment on this story, about time CBC, cant wait until you are defunded, tired of paying for your propaganda.
Do you know what a direct violation to our charter of rights is? M103
These people will never be invited back to CBC
Level headed interview. I haven't listened to CBC since the election and subsequent bashing of whites on a daily basis. THANKS CBC you're doing your job and maybe now I'll consider listening again.
I wish Ford was PM
I hope he uses the clause again for other things
I’m glad there is a way for Canadians to protect themselves from abusive government. Toronto has been barraged with abuse from beurocrats and my hope is that the people will assertively stand their ground. And if they can do it, other cities can too!
We came in strong and voted in Doug Ford, now on Oct 22 we will vote in Faith Goldy as Toronto Mayor and never get tired of winning.
I, as a Torontonian, support Doug Ford on this.
Remember man who was city councilor he is the one who want to changes from inside about this reduce
Koodos to Mr. Wall on the Venezuela pipeline comment. Loved it!
I'm in US but I love this.
Now this girl is smarte .They have brains in Vancouver .
I agree with her on this issue, but she is a terrible politician. Stole hundreds of thousands of dollars. And she's a state capitalist, very bureaucratic rather than free market capitalist.
Doug Ford is doing great for Ontario. Toronto don't need that many elected Politicians at City Hall there are city's like Los Angeles and other bigger city's then Toronto that has less then Toronto and they are doing great why can't Toronto do the same.
Me.Ford is the best Premier we ever had and all these other politicians are exactly the ones we don’t need
The notwithstanding clause will have to be used more and more because of the way in which our judges are taking it upon themselves to grind things to a halt here in Canada. For example, whenever cabinet provides approval for a major project such as a pipeline, a law to that effect (invoking the notwithstanding clause) will have to immediately be passed to provide protection from the courts, and while not everyone will agree with this, the vast majority will, and that's what counts.
You go Ford time to stop the liberal and their over spending.
I am so incredibly proud of our elected Premier Doug Ford. Lets remember that Ontario voters just overwhelming voted Conservative and for the entire Doug Ford platform. We Ontario voters were so disgusted with Dalton McGinty and Kathleen Wynne that we sent the Liberals from a MAJORITY government down to just 7 seats, which is 1 seat BELOW an official party, so Ontario voters are so pissed off at Liberals that we don't even see them a political party anymore.
So now we have the Liberal media, enraged at the resounding loss, which have started their harassment campaign against Doug Ford. This will be much worse than when The Toronto Star harassed Rob Ford and was probably complicit in his quick health decline.
One thing we do know is that The Notwithstanding Clause was so obscure that the Liberals didn't even know about it, because they SURE AS HELL would have used it. And that is concerning me now. Even the dumbest Liberals, and there are over 1 million of them who barely remember to breath, are now waiting for their chance to use thus clause, and as we've seen from Liberal's past record of destruction, they will use this clause like its a regular part of their day.
Liberals, shut the hell out, get out the way and just go smoke some pot somewhere. The adults are here now and we've got big chances to make to fix all the crap the last two Liberals almost destroyed the province on.
It should have been noted that this issue was brought to the courts by the elected city councillors of Toronto. Framing this as elected officials vs technocrat judges is misleading. This is more of a battle between the premier and the city of Toronto and that's why people are condemning the democratic use of the clause.
The boundaries are aligned with federal ridings.
he does have the right!
i wouldve never thought cbc would do this.
The notwithstanding clause was put into the Constitution for a specific reason. The Premiers of the day who insisted on the clause were seemingly as prescient as the architects of the American constitution. It's almost as if they foresaw activist courts becoming a reality.
Yes, that's right CBC, the Ontario government is doing the correct thing here in getting this done quickly. The sooner the better so Toronto can have their election and vote in Faith Goldie for mayor, to help prevent Toronto from turning into a Chicago gangland.
The authors of the not with standing clause have said that the clause was never intended to be used in this way . It was intended to be used in situations where there is a deadlock and it is critical that a decision be made . This does not meet that standard and incidentally was not a platform which he campaigned on and he was not given a mandate by the electorate. This was an issue he brought with him from his days on Toronto City council . More a case of vindictiveness rather than duty to Ontarians
I just liked a cbc video! The devil just got a shiver.
wow, suddenly i respect these 3 way more then i did before. Doug ford is reminding toronto that they are part of a provincial system. Toronto is used to getting everything and anything it wants the rest of Ontario be damned, ford has a province to run, and this is just a re settling of the roles into their traditional places.
Clean up time 😀
Unfortunately, the Canadian Charter of Rights, like the Human Rights Declaration, often get in the way of legal and governmental efficiency.
They also allow cover for many shady individuals to execute their plans with impunity.
The LAW must serve and protect the people, and must never become LAW for the sake of LAW.
The flaw is the sheepeole... not paying attention to the implications of this clause and its potential use. "Not withstanding" clause can suspend very many sections of the Charter. That includes: freedoms of expression, conscience, association and assembly; life, liberty (like being jailed for cause) and the security of the person (Privacy); and equality. All can be set aside using the not withstanding clause. That clause should really go away.
The second Christy Clark came up I was done!
I wish the US had something like Section 33 in our Constitution.
Love Doug Ford! Andrea the crazy lady... not so much!
It's actually ironic that some individuals believe they can challenge the Ontario Premier through the court system. Yet when the Premier has the right to use both the legal and voters end of the spectrum which is represented through the not withstanding clause. It seems to be problem with them. This actually proves the NDP Party believes in the Dicatorship type Party over an elected one.
Where are we the tax payers are protected against criminal systems embezzling money from tax payers creating more and more taxes for working class must be limited from criminals in governments.
Do another one of these on this week.
HA! See her face when she asked if he agreed and he said he did! Get in line CBC, the PEOPLE are speaking..