As above. Also the pathways are as good as they are gonna get. The dogs nsw cup team is top 2 at the moment and were grand finalists last year. Dogs have gone and doubled down by buying some of the brightest names and most promising new coach and still can't equate it to atleast a mid table finish
@@jvvoid we can keep making excuses all we like. Fact is we have had no clear direction for years when it comes to player recruitment and building a team from the spine up. Money always spent on the wrong individuals year in year out. Best example is tevita pangai on 750k. He was never going to be that consistant enforcer just look at his history. He was erratic at best. Who would have thought..yup this bloke is the right guy for a solid 5 year rebuild? And now we are in the market for Luai...lol that will do me.
@@sydcityhiphophis point about letting Averillo go is fair. Only real spark from all those young guys who went through all the losses with him. Just let him work to replace him through free agency. Gus is the worst thing about rugby league 😊
Seems as though this show is just to whinge. This is a club rebuilding which also needs some recruitment. No one expected the Bulldogs to make the 8 at the start of the year. Add to that all the injuries, why is everyone so surprised? Don't forget, before the injuries they were 3 from 5 to start the season.
I actually thought we would make it until the injuries so I'm not going to judge Cameron. I want to see how we go next season keeping in mind all the players he has blooded this year will benefit us next season. Now taffe and knight have joined and xerri crita coming amongst some other poss signings. This is not worth discussing ATM. He is trying to build a work ethic and systems in place for long term. Any coach could say just go and have fun and we would probably win afew but long term we would just be medioka. Having said all that.... we shall see🤔
@@anthonybotonis5841 i would agree with you if we weren't losing the way we are . We have good players , ciraldo has done messed up rosters the entire season . Why did Perham play for so long? Its a poor excuse when the players are being tossed around positions every week with debut's. Biggest rubbish "They can't keep up with the training" when Perham is one of the worst full backs we've ever had but they keep him on and we lose averillo to dolphins because they dont wanna pay him 400k instead of 300k . Nah its not just a training issue , its how the club functions and where they put their resources. We will never make top 8 with this mentality.
Give him at least two more years, the amount of injuries the club had I doubt even Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy would struggle as coach, players like Addo Carr Kikau Mahoney Burton King not going to be crappy players because they're playing for Dogs, their forward pack is one of the best with Toby Saxton they'll be similar team as Cowboy's next year or two
@@doingadlay so wild how "don't mix politics with sport" dudes bring up Biden every chance they get like it's a flex lmao. Terrorist Trump is only 3 years younger lmao
The media always hype up coaches .. As recent examples they did it with Garth Brennan, Justin Holbrook, Adam O'Brien, Craig Fitzgibbon now Cameron Ciraldo yet when things go pear shaped they backtrack and make excuses.
You know what's crazy is everyone was hyping fitzy and ciro as coaches but not one person in the media was hyping webster and in his first season is currently in 3rd 4pts behind 1st
@@jacobmurphy423everyone was hyping Fitzy because he took Sharks to #2 in his first year. Websters what, 8th? And that ain’t gunna last long NZ play 1 good season every 10 seasons. They’ll be back to bottom next year
Doesn't know anything compared to Kenty though, just cos he was a good player doesn't mean he's the best pundit but Kenty had exceptional knowledge of the game and made the best points.
I am 27 years old and been a member since I was in nappies and attended almost every home game. My father whos 58 this year has been a member for close to 40 years. I have supported the dogs through thick and thin. However, if the dogs decide to sign Luai I think I'll be relinquishing my membership. He is not what the club needs. I can't stand the bloke. If the dogs sign Luai our situation will get worse in my opinion. I'd rather get the spoon than have Luai in the blue and white.
Deardon would be Good but not luai. To erratic. I have to say I like what sexton did In his 1st game I hope he keeps it up. We bought him got to give him a chance
@@NEUTRALIZER70 … My simple message to Kent is… DON’T BOTHER COMING BACK!!! ✋️🤣. Regular viewers clearly DON’T miss him & I actually think the show would be better off without journalists… ESPECIALLY KENT!!! Just have 4 current or ex players (maybe 2 current & 2 former?) on the panel. Maybe they can punt Buzz next 🤞😂🤞
I tell you what Gordon is fast turning me off this programme. Hooper is another one but atleast he is only once a week. Tallis makes way less sense than ol Buzz most of the time and that is saying something.
Yes I been a fan member since 1968 and it kills me my wife says to me are you watching the dogs I say I’m sick of watching them get flogged They had three coaches in four years and still bottom dwellers give me a break 😢😢😢😢👍
I’ve been a tigers man since the early eighties and I feel your pain. Bulldogs dragons and tigers are all missing something. I still wear jersey every weekend tho but sometimes it’s bloody hard. I live in north QLD so the loss to the cowboys hurt like hell. We can only keep hoping 🙏
@@jackthomson73 we got something in common it’s called being Loyal to your Club not like those blokes change clubs who win Premierships. Not me I’m dying a dog fan for life best wishes to you and your clan 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🦘🇦🇺
Remember the dogs old slogan, "Bred Not Bought" 🤣. They've completely lost their identify and become that which their fans hate most. Makes me smile from ear to ear seeing the dogs struggling. May it continue for another decade.
They are building,Gould was at Penrith that built their pathways!Talk about bashing a list that is fairly weak compared to most.Has Buzz got dementia 😂
The west tigers with mcguire showed that expecting high standards without developing a proper connection with the players first is basically the titantic. Whatever worked at Roosters or Souths may not work at Canterbury and if your methods are sort of ruthless in pushing players out or making them expendable it's got a way of biting you on the arse. If you look at the model that Ivan Clearly has ... players will run through brick walls to get to training, it has to be more than rules .. systems .. players also need to know they're heard and understood for long term success.
Every tackle is a teddy grab or hugging tackle that take the defence backwards giving the other team momentum. There is no drive in the tackle meaning you are always on the back foot. Simply really.
There are too many players who keep getting selected that do not try and are shirt grabbers in defence i.e Okunbor, Almoti, Flanagan, Sutton, Topine, just to name a few and as for the captain RFM he's a disgrace and should never have been re-signed for 3 years whoever made that call is just plain dumb as he offers nothing in attack or defence, also TPJ can go also talked himself up and has had maybe a handful of games being at his best another waste of cap space. If they think bulldogs supporters are going to say that's ok another 2 years at least to be competitive Ciraldo will be gone next season at some point even though he has a 5 year deal.
A lot of talk at the start of the year that the Dogs would be big improvers. Probably still another 1-2 years away from competing for Top 8. Even then, battling for 7th-8th at best
The player roster will look dramatically different in 2 to 3 years time so chill out folks. Can’t believe they let Avarillo go though. That was dumb. Buzz’s animosity towards Phil Gould clouds his judgement which is doubtful at the best of times.
Rugby league is not rocket science is it? Run your allocated 5 then kick for field position. Play error free and you will have a chance to bomb and mitigate their first tackle. Follow up with repeat sets with kicks in opposition in goal and the points will come right? As long as you do those things you will be competitive and not get demolished every week right?
I remember at the start of the season when all new players an coach rocked up and was being said how they were gunna make the 8 and be a real threat all the rest of it. Guss pumping them up while shitting on other teams form ect.. even when they had a full squad they still got embarrassed. More hard work less talking, defence like a card board box
Sick of the excuse with injuries mate storm had to deal with it last year and they still came 5th and were in finals mate, you just gotta turn up and not be a shi club
Buzz is a bit of dribbler. This is the second year of trying to rebuild. All these average players were only 3-4 year contracts it takes time to clear them out. Bulldogs are building out a Reserve Grade, Flegg and even a Third Grade side!...
No offence to dogs but thy have no size Topine and morrin are ok players but there to small for nrl Billy tsikrikas and patolo should be in there , they don’t miss tackles and always run hard 105 kg plus etc
Bring back some old bulldogs to lift the doggy style spirit 😂😂 not sexually! The bulldogs mongrel,brutal and furious no compromise attitude 👊. Get behind the coach and captain 👍. Bulldog Legends, Terry Lamb, Steve Mortimer, and Jared McCracken, Sonny Bill Williams need I say more to bring back the doggy style 🤣🤣🤣 spirit and soul!! Rrraah!!! Rrraahh!!! Doggy 🤙🤙👍👍
Team of champions don't make a champion team. The truth hurts.. Gus needs to take the 1st bus out of town.. he's not a polarising figure, in fact he's the complete opposite.
It’s nothing more than an inability to identify talent and develop it. Their recruiters are obviously rubbish and the bulldogs brand is low so kids aren’t going to go there
Took penrith over ten years to get the pathways right and buzz wants the dogs to do it in a fortnight 😂
Been 6 already mate..
As above. Also the pathways are as good as they are gonna get. The dogs nsw cup team is top 2 at the moment and were grand finalists last year. Dogs have gone and doubled down by buying some of the brightest names and most promising new coach and still can't equate it to atleast a mid table finish
@@onemanhiswhiteboard940 No-one was working on the pathways 6 years ago. Or 5. Or 4. Or 3. Not even 2.
@@jvvoid we can keep making excuses all we like. Fact is we have had no clear direction for years when it comes to player recruitment and building a team from the spine up.
Money always spent on the wrong individuals year in year out. Best example is tevita pangai on 750k. He was never going to be that consistant enforcer just look at his history. He was erratic at best. Who would have thought..yup this bloke is the right guy for a solid 5 year rebuild?
And now we are in the market for Luai...lol that will do me.
@@sydcityhiphophis point about letting Averillo go is fair. Only real spark from all those young guys who went through all the losses with him. Just let him work to replace him through free agency. Gus is the worst thing about rugby league 😊
Buzz showing once again how little he actually knows about footy and building a club
He is a flog ain't he👍
Guy is a dinosaur.
his just talking rubbish half the time
he is 100% on the money..dog culture in the gutter,,
He’ll take any opportunity to have a pot shot at Gus Gould.
Gus lives in his head
Seems as though this show is just to whinge. This is a club rebuilding which also needs some recruitment. No one expected the Bulldogs to make the 8 at the start of the year. Add to that all the injuries, why is everyone so surprised? Don't forget, before the injuries they were 3 from 5 to start the season.
I actually thought we would make it until the injuries so I'm not going to judge Cameron. I want to see how we go next season keeping in mind all the players he has blooded this year will benefit us next season. Now taffe and knight have joined and xerri crita coming amongst some other poss signings. This is not worth discussing ATM. He is trying to build a work ethic and systems in place for long term. Any coach could say just go and have fun and we would probably win afew but long term we would just be medioka. Having said all that.... we shall see🤔
Agree mate..
@@anthonybotonis5841 i agree
@@anthonybotonis5841 i would agree with you if we weren't losing the way we are . We have good players , ciraldo has done messed up rosters the entire season . Why did Perham play for so long? Its a poor excuse when the players are being tossed around positions every week with debut's. Biggest rubbish "They can't keep up with the training" when Perham is one of the worst full backs we've ever had but they keep him on and we lose averillo to dolphins because they dont wanna pay him 400k instead of 300k . Nah its not just a training issue , its how the club functions and where they put their resources. We will never make top 8 with this mentality.
Don't forget when there's been injuries the young kids have been over exposed which hurts development
Ciraldo needs to take ownership as the leader. He was signed as the most hyped coach and they look worse then before.
Not what all the fans said at the start of the year 😂😂😂
Give him at least two more years, the amount of injuries the club had I doubt even Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy would struggle as coach, players like Addo Carr Kikau Mahoney Burton King not going to be crappy players because they're playing for Dogs, their forward pack is one of the best with Toby Saxton they'll be similar team as Cowboy's next year or two
@zillurrahman3531 I don't expect him to come out and do miracles, but they actually look worse than what they did under Potter.
Early days
God Buzz just can’t comprehend any discussion can he? It’s pathetic
Related to Joe Biden
@@doingadlay so wild how "don't mix politics with sport" dudes bring up Biden every chance they get like it's a flex lmao. Terrorist Trump is only 3 years younger lmao
bets journo in the game
The Bulldogs have 20 wins in their last 86 matches. That is a total embarrassment for an NRL club
Someone’s gotta come last .
@@YouDontNeedMuch and its my tigers lets fricken go
The media always hype up coaches .. As recent examples they did it with Garth Brennan, Justin Holbrook, Adam O'Brien, Craig Fitzgibbon now Cameron Ciraldo yet when things go pear shaped they backtrack and make excuses.
You know what's crazy is everyone was hyping fitzy and ciro as coaches but not one person in the media was hyping webster and in his first season is currently in 3rd 4pts behind 1st
@@jacobmurphy423everyone was hyping Fitzy because he took Sharks to #2 in his first year. Websters what, 8th? And that ain’t gunna last long NZ play 1 good season every 10 seasons. They’ll be back to bottom next year
@@johnlocke4715 what do you know, nothing
Errr, what about the Warriors and Webster?
He inherited a team, and they are playing well.
Ceraldo is a myth.
Not to mention the Warriors had it worst than the Bulldogs over the Covid period, + Webster didn’t buy any players, and Ciraldo has.
@@matthing Dogs halves combo is the problem, not to mention Warriors backline is made up of some solid players starting with CNK @ fullback..
Gordon is such a great addition. He talks sense all the time. He really knows his stuff.
Except re: RLPA.
@@YouDontNeedMuchand anything titans or broncos
@@michaelolofsson8558 I noticed this.
@@YouDontNeedMuch he works for the tits and has a grudge against donkeys
Doesn't know anything compared to Kenty though, just cos he was a good player doesn't mean he's the best pundit but Kenty had exceptional knowledge of the game and made the best points.
I am 27 years old and been a member since I was in nappies and attended almost every home game. My father whos 58 this year has been a member for close to 40 years. I have supported the dogs through thick and thin. However, if the dogs decide to sign Luai I think I'll be relinquishing my membership. He is not what the club needs. I can't stand the bloke. If the dogs sign Luai our situation will get worse in my opinion. I'd rather get the spoon than have Luai in the blue and white.
Same.
Luai is too good for the dogs
@@gillybuzz and Penriff ..and the Blues apparently.
Deardon would be Good but not luai. To erratic. I have to say I like what sexton did In his 1st game I hope he keeps it up. We bought him got to give him a chance
@@anthonyc4812 he is too cool for school
Look what Reynolds has done to Brisbane. Sign a quality half. Done
Who? And for how much?
@@DBASSDAN Braydon Trindall from Sharks looks ok!
@@DBASSDANbrody Croft is playing well in super league. Can’t be any worse then what they have
Where is Kenty? I miss his bash up takes
Smooth 😂
Kenty's about to be caged!
He choked
Does Anyone Think 360 Is A Better Show Without Paul Kent 😆🤣
OH… HELL… YEAHHHH!!! ✊️😆
@@gerardroll6468 ✊😆
Who?
@@NEUTRALIZER70 … My simple message to Kent is… DON’T BOTHER COMING BACK!!! ✋️🤣. Regular viewers clearly DON’T miss him & I actually think the show would be better off without journalists… ESPECIALLY KENT!!! Just have 4 current or ex players (maybe 2 current & 2 former?) on the panel. Maybe they can punt Buzz next 🤞😂🤞
I tell you what Gordon is fast turning me off this programme. Hooper is another one but atleast he is only once a week. Tallis makes way less sense than ol Buzz most of the time and that is saying something.
Dogs didn't focus on building their spine. Instead they paid overs for Kikau & Fox. They're doing it all backwards
Well they got Burton
@@doingadlay Burtons more of a centre
Buzz really doesn’t like it when he doesn’t get his opinion heard. No wonder he not that popular
neither does Gordie
popular? thats the problem...how about being right? more important
@@danfloros4267 well hes not right either haha
What gets me
The coaching defensive staff can’t get results
How about changing the staff
I feel sorry for the dogs, gas gould said it’s a 10 year rebuild 😂
That means 20 years! Remember his 5 year plan took 10!
@@BrettGrady-vf4kx yeh 💯 20 years make it 30 years
Gould has sacked so many coaches NOW who's going to SACK HIM for this is a mess of his own making NOW 💯 percent 👎
Finally someone gets it, take Gus out and it will change quicker hell look at Panthers
Yep...Ciraldo will look "tired" according to Gus soon lol
Yes I been a fan member since 1968 and it kills me my wife says to me are you watching the dogs I say I’m sick of watching them get flogged They had three coaches in four years and still bottom dwellers give me a break 😢😢😢😢👍
Try being a rabbitohs fan in the 90s and 00s lol
@@DjDmt Yes I remember very well as Penrith were Chocolate Soldiers as were North Sydney Teddy Bears they were easy wins 👍👍👍👍
I’ve been a tigers man since the early eighties and I feel your pain. Bulldogs dragons and tigers are all missing something. I still wear jersey every weekend tho but sometimes it’s bloody hard. I live in north QLD so the loss to the cowboys hurt like hell. We can only keep hoping 🙏
@@jackthomson73 we got something in common it’s called being Loyal to your Club not like those blokes change clubs who win Premierships. Not me I’m dying a dog fan for life best wishes to you and your clan 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🦘🇦🇺
seriously, I just couldnt be bothered watching them get second fiddle every match..just torture for my beloved Dogs.
Remember the dogs old slogan, "Bred Not Bought" 🤣. They've completely lost their identify and become that which their fans hate most. Makes me smile from ear to ear seeing the dogs struggling. May it continue for another decade.
Whoever chose Raymond as captain, needs a kick. That was a weird decision...
They are building,Gould was at Penrith that built their pathways!Talk about bashing a list that is fairly weak compared to most.Has Buzz got dementia 😂
The west tigers with mcguire showed that expecting high standards without developing a proper connection with the players first is basically the titantic. Whatever worked at Roosters or Souths may not work at Canterbury and if your methods are sort of ruthless in pushing players out or making them expendable it's got a way of biting you on the arse. If you look at the model that Ivan Clearly has ... players will run through brick walls to get to training, it has to be more than rules .. systems .. players also need to know they're heard and understood for long term success.
Gus Goulds culture. Same at Penrith, a whirlwind in the club. Out with the old and in with the new. Who takes over at the Bulldogs? Georgallis?
Over Buzz he contributes nothing and drags the show down . He was past his use by date 20 years ago .
Wheres Paul Kent!?
halfback for the dogs
Braith Anasta talking about most frustrating player to watch is is ironic when thinking about him at five-eighth for NSW at origin
He was a clutch player at the highest level ! What are you talking about
Every tackle is a teddy grab or hugging tackle that take the defence backwards giving the other team momentum. There is no drive in the tackle meaning you are always on the back foot. Simply really.
There are too many players who keep getting selected that do not try and are shirt grabbers in defence i.e Okunbor, Almoti, Flanagan, Sutton, Topine, just to name a few and as for the captain RFM he's a disgrace and should never have been re-signed for 3 years whoever made that call is just plain dumb as he offers nothing in attack or defence, also TPJ can go also talked himself up and has had maybe a handful of games being at his best another waste of cap space.
If they think bulldogs supporters are going to say that's ok another 2 years at least to be competitive Ciraldo will be gone next season at some point even though he has a 5 year deal.
Should change the show name to AGENDA360. Brent Read is the only fair-minded panelist
Good old NRL 360 loves to sink the slipper in when a team is down. I guess it sells papers and hits online.
Got to give the Tigers a rest ...for a week at least!
My hard-core DOGGY STORMTROOPER FANDAYS died in 2014 after the G/F with South Rabbitohs......The last 9 years have been BULLFROGS 🙄🙄🙄🙄
You're a fake fan then real fans support their team no matter what
Yeah cause tommy deardens going to leave a club with a potential to win a premiership in the next couple years
A lot of talk at the start of the year that the Dogs would be big improvers. Probably still another 1-2 years away from competing for Top 8. Even then, battling for 7th-8th at best
Train or GO HOME. It's an attitude problem for some of the players. The harder you train the stronger your mind becomes.
Spoken like a true professional of the couch arts.
Keeping players from your pathways is not the same thing as having good pathways, Buzz.
roosters win a match and we have to find the next "why is the sky falling at the bulldogs" story. journalism at its finest
we have toby sexton our 7 is sorted hes gonna be great we need middles
For sure... what are they talking bout🤔
Sexton will be an Origin possibility within the next 3 years - as long as we get a pack that'll bash and barge like we used to forever.
How does Buzz still have a paying job 🤦♂️
The player roster will look dramatically different in 2 to 3 years time so chill out folks. Can’t believe they let Avarillo go though. That was dumb. Buzz’s animosity towards Phil Gould clouds his judgement which is doubtful at the best of times.
Rugby league is not rocket science is it? Run your allocated 5 then kick for field position. Play error free and you will have a chance to bomb and mitigate their first tackle. Follow up with repeat sets with kicks in opposition in goal and the points will come right? As long as you do those things you will be competitive and not get demolished every week right?
Nope. Defence is the key, not attack. Defence 1st, errors 2nd, attack 3rd.
I remember at the start of the season when all new players an coach rocked up and was being said how they were gunna make the 8 and be a real threat all the rest of it. Guss pumping them up while shitting on other teams form ect.. even when they had a full squad they still got embarrassed. More hard work less talking, defence like a card board box
Good ol Garry friggen Carden 😂😂
Sick of this "culture problem" garbage. They've got a average team compared to the top 8
A team goes from 'average' to 'good' if they just defend better.
More than half the team has been told there not wanted next year why put in for them
Bulldogs need some decent forwards. I couldnt name one. Their backline is fine.
Dont worry dogs fans they will get it together for shore
One year they will wish it hurry up
Sick of the excuse with injuries mate storm had to deal with it last year and they still came 5th and were in finals mate, you just gotta turn up and not be a shi club
Tpj needs brad arthur if he wants to reach something resembling his potential
1500 game’s experience in your top 25
Bulldogs don’t have it yet to compete with the top five teams.
Buzz was coach??
Ciraldo should recruit from the panthers pathway particularly the players from the NSW cup team... This team can beat any team in the NRL...
NRL too soft turning into more whingeing and drama then an Hollywood movie
Buzz is a bit of dribbler.
This is the second year of trying to rebuild.
All these average players were only 3-4 year contracts it takes time to clear them out.
Bulldogs are building out a Reserve Grade, Flegg and even a Third Grade side!...
What about Luai? yea what about him 😂
No offence to dogs but thy have no size
Topine and morrin are ok players but there to small for nrl
Billy tsikrikas and patolo should be in there , they don’t miss tackles and always run hard 105 kg plus etc
Too small 🤨
@@peter-josephlamusitele6296 95 kg in the back row and not even 6 foot tall
luai is the worlds biggest grub! bigger than munster! he would fit perfectly in the dogs! hahaha
Check out my predictions for the Doggies and also others, including the DOlphins - xan they make the top 8?? ua-cam.com/video/Ce4QU_mOIRc/v-deo.html
What is he trying to say about “culture problem”
I swear if it’s about the lebos he can see us in his house
The problem with the Dogs starts from the top, Gus has to be held responsible, he has created a losing culture
I think pangais life out of football is why his mind isnt 100% on footy didnt someone come out recently on twitter sayung he hangs around bikies
Bring back some old bulldogs to lift the doggy style spirit 😂😂 not sexually! The bulldogs mongrel,brutal and furious no compromise attitude 👊. Get behind the coach and captain 👍. Bulldog Legends, Terry Lamb, Steve Mortimer, and Jared McCracken, Sonny Bill Williams need I say more to bring back the doggy style 🤣🤣🤣 spirit and soul!! Rrraah!!! Rrraahh!!! Doggy 🤙🤙👍👍
You guys need new stuff to talk about. 1st day=Bulldogs. 2nd day=Tigers. Repeat for days 3 & 4. And days 5 & 6
These clowns talk crap, the warriors got a Penrith coach too and they're on fire
Mick potter should be coach end of story .cirldo is another Barrett he will be sacked mid way next year if they don’t preform
Success will come once Gus leaves 😂
Dogs don’t need another halfback sexton is the answer
Team of champions don't make a champion team. The truth hurts.. Gus needs to take the 1st bus out of town.. he's not a polarising figure, in fact he's the complete opposite.
Ciraldo OUT!!! They got worse under him as the season goes on. Get an experience gaffer! Bring Madge from the Raiders in! Now!
It’s nothing more than an inability to identify talent and develop it. Their recruiters are obviously rubbish and the bulldogs brand is low so kids aren’t going to go there
This is the view for men
Does anyone actually watch this show? I laugh when I see these guys trying to take these stories seriously.
They have no winning halfback
TPJ is good but he needs the the right no7 and also needs to reduce his offloads
Cirqldo will be gone by the ends of the year
I was buying amphetimines of buzz in the late nineties in Redfern
Bulldogs miss hunting as a pack on and off the field
When the players put on a Doggies jersey, they play with passion, and they play for the badge.
Yeah Passion For Losing Lol
@shayandaryan I'll tell you what, when I watched Doggies play against the Knights. They truly deserved to be booed
@@ZaydanElverenfax