Part Four: Tzar Nicholas II Was A Real Dick | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 лис 2023
- 🛎 If You're New Subscribe ► bit.ly/BtBSubscribe
Part Four: Tzar Nicholas II Was A Real Dick | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Jeff May for part four of our series on Tzar Nicholas II.
Original Air Date: February 25, 2022
❤️ iHeartRadio » ihr.fm/3D75eCI
📢 APPLE PODCASTS » apple.co/3FnuPKg
📢 AMAZON MUSIC » amzn.to/3fgTxla
🟢 SPOTIFY » spoti.fi/3SXCwtQ
🎥 PREVIOUS VIDEO » • Part Three: Tzar Nicho...
👕 GRAB YOUR MERCH » bit.ly/3U4npQo
✨ KEEP IN TOUCH WITH :
FACEBOOK » bit.ly/3gP85Zy
TWITTER » bit.ly/3Nbw2q7
INSTAGRAM » bit.ly/3WdrQua
There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
New episodes twice a week on iHeartRadio.
#BehindtheBastards #BehindtheBastardsPodcast #RobertEvansBehindtheBastards #BehindtheBastardsMerch #BehindtheBastardsJohnLandis #BehindTheBastardsHost #BehindtheBastardsIvermectin #BestBehindtheBastardsEpisodes #BehindtheBastardsBestEpisodes
A comedian who is also a former history teacher is probably the single best guest you could get for a podcast like this.
Sophie's catchphrase on this podcast is "Nooo. Robert"
To be fair, it is her most frequent catchphrase on any episode when Robert "Everyone Should Do More Drugs" Evans gets on a roll. And I love them both for it.
(38:30) About Rasputin keeping the doctors away from a hemophiliac boy - well, while there were almost no real medicines besides opium at the time, aspirin had already been invented, and doctors of the time tried it for all sorts of things. Unfortunately, it has a notable anti-coagulation effect (which is why 'heart aspirin', low daily aspirin doses, are nowadays often recommended for the elderly as a mild blood thinner). It is quite plausible that palace doctors would have given Alexey aspirin, partly because it was genuinely commonly believed to be a wonder drug, because it was one of the first real medicines, and partly as a feel-good grift, in that aspirin is an anti-inflammatory and tends to make sick people feel better, and aspirin's dangerous effect on hemophiliacs was not exactly yet known at the time. So, Rasputin preventing doctors' access to Alexey might have genuinely helped his health by warding off a medicine's unusual side effect that just happened to be particularly dangerous to the inbred royalty of the Europe of the time.
(39:00) Blood-thickening medicine was not yet available at the time. The first reliable hemophilia treatment was a couple of decades away, although close enough that some of the mad scientists of Sankt-Peterburg might have stumbled upon a workable protocol, most likely involving blood transfusions.
Hemophilia comes from defects (there's a couple of different variants) in genes that produce particular proteins required in the mind-numbingly complicated blood coagulation cascade, and modern treatments typically involve just giving the patient the missing proteins externally. Nowadays, these replacement coagulation factors come from genetically modified yeasts, but in the earliest versions, the deficient factors, or even whole platelets, were extracted from donor blood. Unfractionated regular blood transfusions could potentially have worked as a primitive hemophilia treatment, if there had been a way to do them safely. The catch is, before the ABO blood type system was discovered and widely understood, blood transfusion was like Russian roulette, with a rather high risk of the recipient's blood just coagulating all over the body, with often nasty, even deadly consequences.
Ironically, most of the doctors in Russia of nineteen-oughties who might have heard of the recent theories of a certain mad Viennese doctor with a bit too much interest in cutting up dead people, at least for the High Society norms of the time, about "serological compatibility", as Landsteiner's early work interpreted it, would probably have been Jewish. In these long-gone pre-Internet times, knowledge of new scientific discoveries, especially in biosciences, tended to move together with people, and Jewish doctors were, in general terms, relatively more geographically mobile throughout Europe than doctors belonging to the not-quite-so-persecuted ethnic groups.
Ivan the Terrible is like the "Where's the Beef?" Lady while Nicholas II is Jared. Equally memorable fast food spokespersons, but for vastly different reasons.
7:00 I find some parallels with Marie Antoinette. Louis VI was another kind of reluctant monarch, and I get the feeling, from my own readings about the Great Revolution, that he wasn't super upset about being reduced to a constitutional monarch as much as Marie Antoinette. She was pissed. The letters she leaves in the Tuileries Palace when they flea towards Austria basically lay out that she's kind of upset with Louis for not fighting as hard as she thought he should to maintain the powers awarded to him as king, and that she absolutely intends to come back with her brother's armies and make the revolutionaries pay. However, she is often portrayed as a somewhat sympathetic figure. Often her only vice is being a bit naive and unaware of the danger she is in. Which is undeniably true, however it does mask that she was very much a believer in her husband's right to absolute rule, and the concept of rulers being chosen by God to lead.
If memory serves, Stolypin was a bit of a bastard too. He was so fond of rounding up and hanging accused rebels that the noose became known as "Stolypin's necktie". He was eventually shot and assassinated in a theater.
Also, Don Bluth made the Anastasia movie, but Fox's animated division produced and distributed it. In 2019, Disney bought Fox (this podcast originally aired in 2022 so they would've been aware of the acquisition), including that animated division. So the TL;DR is that you can basically say any of those companies owns it and you'd be right.
Anastasia was a Don Bluth movie. Same guy who did An American Tale... so do with that what you will...
the heroes of the former are aligned with the villains of the latter right? not sure what to make of it
Holy shit, I never thought of it like that; like, I knew he directed both, but even listening to this earlier I didn't make the connection between "the talking animals version of 'this is why New York has so many Jewish people'" and "the fantasy version of the Romanov survival conspiracy." Granted, on An American Tail it was producer Spielberg who had the personal connection (Bluth is Mormon) but still interesting.
(I've also seen people w/Mormon backgrounds point out that a lot of their community regards them as having kinship w/Jews due to the immigrant connection, which is perhaps somewhat problematic but also interesting as far as how Bluth ended up telling that particular story.)
So is Don Bluth to children's movies what Johnny Horton was music?
@@PMickeyDee Could make that case, sure.
@@PMickeyDee Don Bluth is an ex-Disney animator, just like Ralph Bakshi. Walt's (or Wolfgang Reitherman's) influence runs deep.
31:52
Czar: God doesn't want me to give up power
Bolsheviks: There is no God and we'll kill you
Wait, so Rasputin... was Joe the Plumber?
I…..well…
So specifically the thing about Alexi Romanov and the doctors was that they gave him aspirin for his chronic pain but aspirin is also a blood thinner which just made the pain worse so by telling the doctors to leave him alone Rasputin was accidentally making his symptoms better.
Good points at the end.
"It's me. It's me."
It's that D-O-Double-G? 😊
As any democrat should, I can see the obvious failings with succession in autocracy in general, but if you are going with autocracy anyway as a form of government, primogeniture is probably the least bad option for succession. Sure, your first born can be a terrible ruler, but if you give an opening to anymore “capable” person, even if is still in the family, to be able to be the next ruler that’s a recipe for chaos. Sometimes you can end with an even more incapable person in charge because the courtiers decided that that person would be easier to manipulate. Civil wars for successions are one of the most damaging things that can happen to a state. Rome was greatly weakened due to never really formalizing succession. Now, it is least bad because when things like the throne going to a child it was very common for the “regents” to take power for themselves or fight for it. It is one of the reasons democracies can be more stable in the long even if changes more rulers overall.
You lose the mandate, the eat you, the cycle resumes until broken
Machete....must be a trick I was under the impression BtB fans only hunted their fellow man with bare hands.
Machetecine has many uses
By all accounts I can find his name was Jim Hercules
You read the quote from Montefiore but you neglected to mention that it wasn't just the monarchs and their teenage kids, but also their servants as well who were massacred.
So? Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. You think anyone is gonna give a flying fukc if some roided up ex pigs working for jeffy b as bodyguards get merc'd alongside their boss? I literally have more concern for the bee I'm watching in my garden rn that looks like it might have a varroa mite on its back.
34:51 Japan is not "an island". Japan is a chain of islands, around 14,125 in total, though only 430 are inhabited.
54:42
I love that they BARELY glossed over the sheer unprecedented bastardy of both Vladimir Lenin & Yakov Yurovsky, probably a Lenin episode covers that at some point
7:55 - 8:00 Jeff, I think the word you were looking for is k...y'know what? Never mind....
1:11:00 What, no discussion of what happened to the bodies of the Czar and his family? No retelling of how they were hacked into chunks like firewood, and the corpses taken to an abandoned mine and left at the farthest end of one shaft? Or that Armand Hammer would come to own that mine in the NEP period? Or that they were done in by a small group of the Cheka, the proto-KGB?
Because it’s not really relevant….sides the Checka was more like the proto-NKVD a lot less organized and in the middle of a civil war. No one ordered the bastard and his family killed, it was just a reaction from drunken guards hearing about army approaching.
@@fishsteakyelk341 Where did you hear that? I read that this was ordered by the top.
@@MrJohndoakes From where? Dude there’s like no evidence that it was ordered from the top, only that it was considered.
Seriously think about it, it’s a cabin and there’s not really that good communication that’s really quick. You have a small group of guards that get a rumor that a white army branch is approaching their location….by the time the Tsar and his family were executed there wasn’t even a conclusion reached from red army command on what to do with the Tsar.
It’s possible whoever started the rumor might’ve given a false order, but even then it could just be some scout panicking about the situation and giving quick advice.
Like from the actual reports after the execution and reactions from Bolshevik and other red army leadership to the deaths, it’s kinda clear they had no idea what happened.
You're reading way too much into this. The "Cheka" during this period was little more than unorganized thugs, they were chopped like firewoods because that was what inebriated thugs did, and they were deposed in a mine because the guards did not bring enough shovels to do proper funerals. These kinds of massacres happened everywhere during period of state collapses;see the lynching of Mussolini's entourage or massacre of the Qing Manchu nobility during the Chinese revolution: just proactive actions done by local units who could do anything they want due to collapse of order.
This is not to say that Lenin did not want to massacre the Romanovs; the evidence present simply indicates that it was much more likely for this to be the work of drunk guards scared by news of White army advance than any direct command
Did Russia ever not suck?
No. And it's nice to see they're still carrying on that tradition.
I hear stuff like this and won't how the fuck gangster rap and hood violence ends up being the problem. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic)
1:08 It's a trolley problem, people. If you want to end the monarchy & prevent royalist weirdos from putting one of them in power, you have to end the royal line. It has nothing to do with what they "deserved". And calling it an emotionally driven, "vicious" brutal killing immediately after explaining that it was drawn out because they were wearing diamond armor... idk what to tell you. Big fan of this podcast, but I think we have enough cultural sympathy for the Romanovs that you can afford to do a little course correction.
Can be both.
Finally someone gets it. I love this podcast but gods be damned it still falls victim to a lot of anti-communist propaganda. The USSR had a lot…A LOT of problems but it was a significant improvement from the empire…and it was a lot more democratic than people give it credit for.
I'm actually kind of sympathetic to the guy. Environment matters. In a different one, I still feel like he would've been a pretty lovable goofball. I feel like that's his inner nature. But, between his position and the trappings of his station and his training, he ended up something contrary to that. A bastard, if you will.
LOL I'm dying to know what's actually said behind the bleeps. I know it's just a company that's not sponsoring the podcast. I'm assuming it's one of those horrible food recipe boxes like hello fresh lol.
You keep calling Japan "an island that they were racist against", but Japan is an archipelago with five main islands and over 14,000 lesser islands.
You realize that pedantically picking apart the exact phrasing like this just makes people think you're a nonce, right?
Yeah but more than 80% of the population lives on Honshu.
@@LonelyKnightess I think you mean ponce. Nonce is a sexual predator. Ponce is a fool.