Can Anything Save Roadhog?
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2023
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Roadhog is one of Overwatch 2's most iconic heroes, but for years he's had an identity crisis.
Despite being a tank, he offers little to actually support teammates and even after his highly anticipated rework, things don’t seem to be that much better.
So the question is, can Hog be saved or is he a lost cause?
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He's always been an off tank. For league people, he is a top lane bruiser. He CAN tank, but you want him on the side abusing flanks and the enemy back line where he is a nightmare. Almost like Blizzard doesn't understand their own game.
yeah its like if you gave darius a blitz crank hook
Wll put, he's definitely more of a flank tank
I feel OW meta has evolved past the understanding of their own developers, Roadhog is an og hero and its desing is clearly not aproppiate for having just one tank, thats the problem, i was expecting a more deeper rework like keeping his hook and change everything else but after 6 months they decided to go for the easy route and it feels the same.
to put an example in League at the beggining of the year Yummi was broken beyond repair and it took Riot 2 weeks to fix her and now is in a more stable state without losing the identity of the champion. Its not perfect and some Yummi mains hated the changes but in the end was the right desiticion. Blizzard needs to commit to changes if they try to rework hin again or any other hero.
the problem with hog is that he doesn't create meaningful space in the frontline, he only shows presence on off angles where even getting a solo kill is a gamble considering how hard the 1 shot combo has become. massive head hitbox and hitbox in general just means that he walks around getting almost insta-killed and stunned into narnia feeding his supports and the enemy team ult charge. he doesn't enable his dps whatsoever, whereas even dogshit heroes like ball create openings and enable his dps despite having 0 frontline presence. he's (in my opinion) poorly designed, and needs a massive overhaul to his kit. i hope blizzard isn't scared to have another crack at his rework.
@@thegamehbktaker Blizzard has never understood their own game's balance, it's why we had metas like triple tank, dive and GOATS for so long and Blizzard seemed to refuse, or not even know, to nerf the correct heroes.
They never truly got rid of his one shot. Even before the rework, you had to take an extra step forward with very strict timing on the shot, or you could use wall tech and force them into one shot range.
Pigpen should add a feature where when a Hook is landed, you can instantly cast it.
as someone that plays way to much ow hog is actually really strong his biggest issue is how strong his counter picks are Ana nade still really fucks him up his take a breather change is actully really good because now it cant be countered by cc . there a lot of discussion in the ow community about supports and ana nade is one of them because its just and oppressive ability to cut of tank healing in 5v5 and not enough tanks have the ability to out play ana nade. rn the meta is sigma because he doesn't really have strong counters and he has the tools to enemy debuffs like ana nade. so i don't know if i want to call this rework a failure because if u make changes to problematic abilites like ana nade hog would actually be really strong. ana nade also affects other tanks.
ye idk why they dont change ana. ana is way too oppressive and unfun to play against. her hitbox is kinda weird and all her abilities are just insanely strong. she has nade and sleep which are one of the best abilities in the game with a decent ultimate.
If they ever got rid of his hook and breather, id be extremely upset and he wouldn't be roadhog anymore
Road hog can be saved. Lower his HP to 350, buff his damage, make his hit box slightly smaller and change him to the DPS role.
And to compensate for those changes: Give Mei 400 HP, make her hitbox and size larger and change her to the Tank role :D (Joking btw but honestly she would make for one strong tank)
@@noob4head i actually agree with making mei a tank. If zarya can be a tank then so can mei. Raise her hp and hit box and put her wall on a shorter cooldown and make it a bit smaller.
Tachanka was just recently buffed, they perfected his rework. Not to much dmg for the now mobile LMG, the fire lasts not that long (compared to defenders in his role: Smoke), low mobility and low fire rate. Just *chef kiss*.
"before we start talking about hog"
Hog is definitely stomping currently don’t know what the issue is pretty sure his win rate is 55%
All 7 people still playing OW must really be steamed about this news
that intro was intense lmao
We was fine in 6v6 but does not work in a 5v5.
He also was trash in 6v6 you just had the option of a second tank covering for you to not get upused for just existing
@@xythiera7255 No he was actually decent because he can go off on his own and get picks because there was another tank. Also he was good with Orissa with the pull hock combo
@@xythiera7255 he didin't suck in ow1. In some metas like double shield sure. But in other metas he was actually really good and played in pro play. Blizzard keept nerfing and buffing his one shot potential all the time because it was problematic even in 6v6.
@@xythiera7255 He was very good in 6v6 since he could actually flank and get a good pick.
The 6v6 format doesn’t work for a lot of the off-tanks. He’s just the easiest example to point to. You can’t just remove a player from a team game without fundamentally changing the design. Overwatch needs to go back to 6v6 and find ways to deal with double shield and such. Otherwise, the game will always feel like it was designed for a 6v6 environment.
They did deal with double shield, by reworking orisa and removing her permanent shield.
@@Destructo-pm6yv Good point, but then they switched the format to 5v5, which doesn't have the double shield issue anyway. Their design choices are not congruent with each other.
They should have just added a role for off tank and main tank. Now tanking is just being thick and fragging but there use to be an art to making space and taking space for your team in the old 6v6 days.
just give roadhog a granade launcher
I wish they woukd have kept 2 tanks and just had roles for off tank and main tank. I felt the change for 5v5 was just cause of a dwindling player base so obviously 5v5 means more games and quicker queues
You need to play Brig, Bastion, Kiri, and maybe Reaper and Ana to make Road work. You need beef around him and the suzu.
Legit move him to DPS cause he literally needs a second tank to perform at his best
I never had issues with roadhog.
The problem with Roadhog is that his mechanical design was made to be the off-tank slot in a Sixes game with two Tanks, and now Overwatch is a Fives game with one single main Tank; Roadhog fundamentally doesn't work in Overwatch 2 because he was designed for Overwatch 1 and can't work in this game's ruleset.
As hog in ow1 will never work on ow2 5v5 but the rework hog got a chance but blizz did shit
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As a all role player( hardstucked gold and plat), Hog rn is very fun 2 play but very annoying to play again't. He has a lot of playstyle and high self sustain ability while being a threat to other role with his hook. As long as you know the comp matchup and maps, I think hogs could be a strong off tank suitable for many players
The issue is hog is a all rounder off tank not traditional tank that excel at one thing like sigma or Winston so he may struggle again a team that highly focus on one thing while having relied on your and your team finisher( RIP oneshot hook)
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The problem is he isn't designed for the game he is in , simple as that he was designed for the 6vs6 format and his design was the least appropriate for the change, all one shot characters don't feel good in 5vs5 arguably they never felt good but without the second tank they feel worse so I tank who can't really tank can't forcibly make space and who used to be a threat for the ability to take an out of place character and insta delete and now can't do that what is his purpose? he can't shield he can't chase, his punish is less punishing
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Hog was a tank when you had 6 v 6. He did his job as being a threat when ignored and an annoyance when monitored. 5 v 5 ruined all the heroes in the game and only some come out unscathed, but the class based heroes are no longer doing their job.
Gold take stick to vally/counter strike
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just give hime less health and make him a dps easy
It’s not hogs fault, it’s the 5v5 format. “But hog was meta at the end of OW1 check mate” that’s because off tanks were meta at the end of OW1, HE wasn’t the problem there either it was the whole role. Is his “one shot” busted? Historically yeah a little but so were ALL one shots (Hanzo, widow, etc).
I kinda like how they changed it personally speaking, but I really think the real issue is not that Hog does not fit, but Ana grenade need to change, and I say that as an Ana main. that anti-heal is WAY TOO POTENT and I think becomes a design issue for any other character. I am a 100% convinced that if the grenade changes that will unblock so many new meta and designs...
You need this anti, otherwise with selfheals and two good healers he never dies even a bad hog player survives ages. And there is an anti: kiriko. If the healer wont repick to match roadhog, its their fault. Like playing Lucio with a Phara, kinda same bad pick.
Proof that it's not the case, anti-nade gets suzu'd and they still die, so no, it's not mandatory, might want to apply some level of balancing of course, but suddenly, the anti becomes a nice thing instead of nearly must have. tbh, a 80 / 70% heal reduce would be much more balance than a pure anti-heal. again as much as I love playing ana, the nade is a big problem and the source of many other issues imo.
@@nekogami87 different Players different experiences. If a hog getting healed and Suzu AND selfhealed with other healer and is not able to change this situation to a 5vs4, he just has to improve skill. If you land a hook, its nearly over. How long should a hog live? He has to make pressure like Junkerqueen. But in general those new tanks are just boring to play and play against. Prefare old OW1 tanks a lot more than actually all tanks now.
@@denizd.9080 oh yeah, we 100% disagree on that one :D, I can't go back to 6v6 XD, just, won't. lol
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better question, can anything save ow2?
may lay, not me lee
Hog has not failed lol hes a much better character now relax thedramaticesports
The more fundamental issue there is hero swapping. And designing characters around being hard counters... which people can easily swap into.
I doubt they're gonna do anything about that since it's pretty much the game's core identity.
Hero swapping is literally the last problem OW2 has and the reason why OW1 was so popular in the first place: being able to swap mid-round in a healthy meta allows for many different compositions to be played and for creative solutions in terms of counter-picking. There was a point (I don't remember if it was at the beginning of S5 or 6 of OWL) where dive and rush could be played equally and with many variations and the game was as healthy as it's ever been. If you take away hero swapping, you essentially create a stale meta where 2 or 3 characters are the only thing that's played for months on end.
The problem isn't swapping, the problem is hero balancing: the devs are wildly inconsistent with balance changes, so good heroes become trash and viceversa in the span of a day, but if they ever manage to find some good balance again, we will see how hard removing hero swaps would cost us.
Nothing will save Roadhog because heroes like him are quite simply not designed for 5v5, they do not work in 5v5 and nothing done to him short of a true full rework will let him work in 5v5.
Well bring back 6v6 and it wouldn't be that problematic anymore, Roadhog was always an Offtank, but riot killed his identity with 5v5. I mean they can bring back 6v6 with the role Q for 1 maintank and 1 offtank, so double shield wouldn't be a problem. And Yes they could have done this before going 5v5 for no reason.
Damn what did riot do 🙌
@@askeisnthere6206they will delete mythics and make big map changes, also they bring new Items to the game and some new cool mobs. 🗿
love the ow2 content
of course. its not like atk defense and speed are the only things you can slide around. the devs just suck
Love the Hot Mulligan shirt!!
Overwatch design was meant to be played in 6v6 format. Am so sick of changing my character mid round each game, Its really annoying and boring.
I always say this and will keep on saying it 5v5 WAS A HUGE MISTAKE.
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Blizzards can’t save overwatch 2 should’ve been the title
Just make him exactly how he was on release. With the moving drink
But they can tho
hog is the worst offender for sure but he isnt the only problem, literally every tank that used to be an offtank in ow1 feels awful to play as and with in ow2, which just proves how 5v5 was another thing they changed for the sake of change
It's still better
Idk I loved playing Zarya when OW2 came out, even though she was definitely OP at the time
@@Goosehelpful yea thats the thing, tanks like that are either op or they feel like complete dogshit, no inbetween
5v5 isn't the problem, yes off tanks will have a better chance at surviving and thriving in 6v6 the problem with 6v6 is sure you don't have to deal with Tanks counter-picking but in 6v6 you have to worry about dealing with meta Tank pairs, and combo ults... also slowass tank queue times... Also shields... And sweatiest team fights where somehow no one dies until the ult spamming kicks in.
The problem with tanks isn't exactly due to 5v5 it's more of the fact that some Tanks are just not flexible enough to thrive in said format. And this is why I've been suggesting for a CC Mitigation or CC Immunity passive for Tanks for a long time now, cause you don't necessarily have to make these not-so-flexible Tanks be flexible but what you can do is make them survive those powerful plays in which said Tanks struggle with which is often times, CC Spamming.
Hog, Ball, Doomfist, and Reinhardt woulda have been in a better state if they have some kind of CC Immunity or CC Mitigation passive. Maybe this CC passive kicks in after getting cc spammed twice, and you become CC immune or 50% cc mit state for 3-4 secs. This may allow Hog more time to adapt or dodge plays that would otherwise insta-delete him.
@@Nman-hm7tw No, it's not. It's about time you people understood that.
here's what i think hog would need to be balanced and reworked from before his current rework.
Hook- tone down the distance people get dragged
New* Belly rush- rush forward with knockback
Take a Breather- lowered damage resistance, made a heal over time, can shoot and use abilities after activated, longer cooldown
some added mobility to hog to make up for people not getting pulled straight to him, and making his heal overtime while still giving a little damage resist would make him a way better tank and cover his actual shortcomings
Go back to 6v6, yes.
Make him a a dps with half health
I don't know - couldn't they just make Roadhog roll like Wrecking Ball? Is Activizzard cracked on meth or this dense?
The guy is a wasteland survivor, using scraps and has a ROADHOG in the name. It may looks like fat shaming the poor guy, but imagine this: Roadhog appears, sees plenty of enemies, so he curls into a ball and rolls forward, knocking down any unlucky foe.
Think of it as Wrecking Ball Sphere mode, but only moving into 1 direction. Not only it'd be hilarious to look and see someone dying to it, but also could be implemented as a TANK role. He's already health-tanky, can heal himself and could create space for his team.
Seriously - at this point, I think anyone in comment section is more talented to be a Blizzard OW designer than the literal BLIZZARD EMPLOYEES. God, this company is fucking brainrot dead.
The problem with Tanks, especially tanks without a DVA-esque succ cooldown ability, is that they can tank damage but can't tank CCs. They're supposed to be Tanks yes you don't want them to be too Tanky that's one of the many reasons why so many find buffed Orisa infuriating, but what they can do is basically give Tanks especially Rein, Hog, Doom, and Ball, a CC Mitigation passive. Maybe after getting hit by CC once or twice you get 50% cc mitigation for 3-4 secs or after getting hit twice by CC you get 3-4 sec CC Immunity.
Tanks are really good right now is just that they're so good that CC spammer characters and players, especially on the support side just full-on dump all of their CCs on the Tank. And if the tank doesn't have a way to repel or eat CCs they just die immediately.
Also don't forget big hitbox, Anas especially on low elos tend to reserve both their nade and CCs on the Tank which is viable and understandable depending on enemy strats and plans, but is abusable and can be excessive and frustrating to play against.
Yes, especially for Doomfist and Ball, you really need to CC them otherwise they can steamroll your team easily, but don't you think it's excessive to just dump all of your CCs on the Tank? DPS, with some exceptions, tend to be the weakest when it comes to CCs, but the reason why they don't usually die to CCs is coz most of the time, Tanks are in the way, Tanks get all of the CC bukkake.
And Tanks are good on their own right now the problem is that you can turn into a helpless squishy headless chicken with just a splash of the Ana nade, even worse is you're most likely gonna get the Cass nade, Ana sleep, a hack alongside the nade.
Yes if you're Doomfist you can avoid/dodge some of these CCs but what about characters with limited movement compared to Doom? Hog? Rein? What, they're just gonna eat said CCs, and hope to God their Supports are kind enough to heal bot for them?
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Roadhog was very much viable in a 6v6. But of course if you cut a tank in a 1/2/2 setting then yeah tanky Assassin is not viable.
Blizzard can’t save their brand 💀
Roadhog is dead, just like Overwatch
??? Everyone here pretending like the game is good right now 😆 🤣 😆
Overwatch can't even save itself
I've always thought of a good buff to hog would be a sort of Hog charge. Kinda like rhein, just a short full sprint to give him some mobility. Could also make his hook into a 400hp shield, or even a droppable shield with 400hp. To give him more team synergy. But I've always liked the charge idea.
That title literally belongs to doomfist when his uppercut was removed, i swear to god these devs only give a slap on the wrist to their favorite heroes i.e Aaron keller's favorite is mei and Jared Neuss's is roadhog when it comes to nerfing someone especially that stupid metal horse, yet the ones that are nowhere near close to the meta gets fked over and over again.
short answer: no, overwatch is dead
Take out that bs ground mine stuff. Let him also hook his teammate and heal them with his heal and give his right click a push back so he can do more stuff.
Basically tank life weaver but worse
Blizz cant save overwatch as a whole 😅
Just nerf or rework Anna and Kiriko. They literally make playing any tank equivalent to eating glass shards.
Hog is a lot of fun I really enjoy his mine I believe he is better, but need more tank damage, like imagine if his damage goes through orisas gold immunity ability. That would be great, orisa is the problem per usual dogshit horse.
she's so mid now
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Blizzard can't do anything without charging something for it.
Blizzard can't save OW. ftfy 👍
5v5 is trash
Overwatch entirely is a lost cause unless blizzard makes PvE like they promised or rework their monetization scheme
Great job outing yourself as someone who is out of touch with the game
@@justinchookasezian2082You mean your self ?
@@xythiera7255anyone actually playing the game will say they’re happy the devs are purely focused on pvp
It's in a better place than it's been anyone who still says that are only speaking in bad faith and had now intention to touch the game regardless. If you have nothing to add don't talk.
@@justinchookasezian2082 anyone playing the game will say they are happy the devs are focused on something after being in limbo for almost 1.5 years on overwatch 1 and overwatch 2 sure the pvp focus and the new maps are welcome additions but the microtransaction scheme and f2p progression is nothing short of a scam for everyone that payed for the initial release I was on the beta of the game the pre release and the 5 seasons the game had and after everything you tell me it's acceptable to forget that it takes 6 months to unlock a skin though gameplay prices so inflated it makes EA a morally correct company with Apex legends monetization and asking for 20 dlls for PvE missions that might as well be only watched on UA-cam or even better be a movie or a. Series instead of trying to make me shut up how about making a good point in the first place instead of backing yourselves up with your fifa ultimate team community
Overwatch was a lost cause since the beginning since too much diversity is impossible to balance. Blizzards balancing team making Fotm changes for the sake of change isn't helping either.
People still play overwatch ?
On Steamcharts I see 15k monthly players at the end of November, so it could be players using other modes instead of All queues or Ranked modes.
Maybe the 5v5 helps to get faster matches instead of waiting for a full 6v6 team, or they are just copying systems from Paladins because Paladins is still an active game.
like this comment if hog is busted and op
The one guy who like that post is a perma bronze mercy player
did you post this to get all the bronze players to self report lmao
I think it’s reasonable for east characters to be worse at higher levels. Hog can still find value, you just have to be creative with your approach.