Historian Reaction // Epic Rap Battles of History (Jack the Ripper/Lecter, Che/Guy Fawkes)
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Fun fact! Watch Hannibal vs Jack again, neither of them ever blink
Neither does the Zuck
@@artembentsionov does ERB know something we do not know?
@@raphaelr.5904 honestly most history i’ve learned was from erb 😂
Do you blink
Now I can't watch this video again without blinking 😔 I'm tearing
Take note here:
Anthony Hopkins NEVER BLINKED when he was on camera filming "Silence of the lambs"
Neither did the Hannibal Lector in this one.
Almost none of the ERB characters blink, sorry for spoiling your fun haha
Besides, Anthony Hopkins *did* blink in Silence of the lambs, he just did it rarely, and in an unsettling way.
He blinks 5 times.
@@TheHortoncrow in the video or in the movie?
@@smallestcharles In Silence of the Lambs. Favorite movie, but Anthony Hopkins not blinking is a common myth.
I've gotta say, Hannibal won this in terms of the actual rap battle, Jack came with the rhythm but didn't spend enough time dissing his opponent
Agreed
Jack sounded a lot better for sure but but he didnt do enough ripping.
He did a good job of hyping himself up but didn't do good enough with actual dissing.
The only reason I think that battle was even close was because of Dan bulls rapping
Fun fact, during the battle between lector and jack you can hear five screams in the background to represent the five victims of jack
The "Canon 5" to be precise. Since there were a lot of victims tied to Jack and some of them were not yet proven or was just assumed to be, but the canon 5 were the victims proven to be Jack's victims
Guy Fawkes was actually spared the agony of being drawn and quartered when he fell off the ladder when climbing the scaffold and broke his neck (whether intentionally or because he was too weak from torture to climb it is unclear). That's what Che's line "take another dive" is referencing. Though his body was mutilated nonetheless.
The “anonymous” reference is about the hacker collective of the same name who wear Guy Fawkes masks as their symbol
For some reason
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 probably because of V for Vendetta. Plus the usual rebellion against authority
“Che” is not a name. It’s an Argentinian interjection meaning “hey” or “guy”. So the rap battle is between two “Guys”.
In an episode of Psych, Shawn (who has spent some time in Argentina) calls a supposed Spanish cop “che” and sees him react with understanding. This leads him to suspect that he isn’t Spanish at all. Indeed, the guy turns out to be an Argentinian criminal
That is a fun connection between Guy and Che I did not know about, thanks.
@@Theturtleowl to be honest, I realized it as I was writing the comment. I knew that Che was an interjection but didn’t realize that may be one of the reasons ERB matched them up
I knew the meaning of "che", but I never made the connection with guy. Well done! 👏👏👏
I love psych!
So Guy Guevera VS Guy Fawkes
Kit Harington is actually not only the main actor of that TV mini-series called Gunpowder, but he's also the producer and creator, and he created it because he's actually a direct descendant of the plot's leader, Robert Catesby, through his mother, Deborah Catesby. His real full name is Christopher Catesby Harington. Amusingly enough, Guy Fawkes got all the notoriety for the assassination plot, but he was just a hireling of Catesby and his co-conspirators.
He is also a direct descendant of the King James 1st.
@@suziematthews wait really?
The fava beans, and chianti line is also a high brow way of saying he isn't on his psych meds, because he can't have wine or beans, or liver with the meds he was prescribed in the film
But wouldn’t he just not care about what he can eat on meds? He doesn’t care that killing people is bad after all
This is the first time I'm watching a history teacher/researcher reacting to erb and actually offering insightful comments. I feel like I am leaving this video a smarter man. Very good job sir! :))
During Jack’s second verse you can hear the screams of 5 women, 5 that we definitely knew he killed. There’s so many hidden secrets in these battles, very well researched
Always gotta give shoutouts to my man Dan Bull, who was Jack the Ripper in this one, and Winston Churchill in your last one. Man is so damn talented.
The "take another dive" line also has meaning in the Che Guevara vs Guy Fawkes battle - Obviously "Take a dive" is a term for deliberately losing, but it also has double meaning in that Guy Fawkes actually leapt off the gallows and deliberately broke his neck as a way of cheating the executioner.
Hannibal straight slaughtered Jack on this one. In terms of bars, and disses, Jack came weak.
Jack's rhythm, rhyming and references weren't as straight forward as Hannibal's, but imo were much more sophisticated. Hannibal was stronger in that his performance is far more accessible to a broader audience. But in terms of style and overall musicianship? Jack wins by a mile.
Go check out Dan Bull, the guy who plays Jack, and you'll get his aesthetic more and why he wrote what he did. (Dan Bull made the Creeper/ Endermen/ Zombie raps if you're a Minecraft player, and a ton of other gaming raps.)
@@Undomaranel I'm very familiar with Dan Bull. Incredible artist. In terms of rap skill, yeah he's better than EpicLloyd. But in this battle, Jack seemed to only Amp up himself without really attacking Lecter. On the other hand, Lscter hit him straight out the box, which is what you want in a battle rap. Go check out ScruFaceJean's breakdown of this ERB and see what I mean.
@@MrBlakeD82 I've seen that breakdown, and I'll just say different strokes for different folks. The Seuss vs Shakespeare was similar for me: Shakespeare's articulation and technical abilities were far more impressive to me than the Cat and Thing's verbal attacks. While ideally there's a good balance between musicality and brutality (imo Gates vs Jobs or Einstein vs Hawkins), I tend to appreciate their use of meter and rhythm over creative insults. But to each their own.
@@Undomaranel Its really not different strokes homie, rap battles are literally judged and scored bar for bar. Otherwise there wouldnt be money on the line. Battles arent about your flow lol
It was more the style between the two. Jack talked about himself, while Hannibal was mainly response verses analyzing the weakness in his verses.
When Fawkes says "You're an ump-Che, that's bay of pigs latin" it's actually both a reference to the bay of pigs invasion as well as pig latin. Pig latin is basically word play where you can change certain words or even turn them around. Imagine "Hello" being turned into something like "Ellohay."
Essentially, he called Guevara a chump, if you just flip it like you often do in pig latin. Not to mention the connections between latin and catholicism. Super clever line, imo.
The Silence of the Lambs won the 'Big 5' at the Oscars in 1991. Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Movie, Best Director and Best Screenplay (adapted.) It is only the 3rd movie to do this. 'It Happened one Night' was the first, and 'One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest' was second. 1934 and 1975 respectively.
I went to the house Guevara grew up in during a school trip, pretty cool to see the stuff he liked as a kid. One thing I distinctly remember were several Emilio Salgari books (Sandokan, The Black Corsair, etc) bc I was obsessed with those as a kid, lol
The movie's name is Outlaw King. It is about Robert the Bruce.
Great movie btw
Noice. Very fun. If you're going to do more, MLK vs Ghandi is hilarious. Battle of the pacifists.
always wanted ERB to make Genghis Khan vs Alexander the Great but they almost never re-use a character (except for the "meme", like Lincoln).
@@HenSt-gz7qj or trump
And what makes it better is... They are played by two of the funniest people key and peele
@@HenSt-gz7qj yea and to make it worse we did get Genghis Khan.....against the Easter bunny for whatever reason.
@@Aaroncarter95 ‘Cause they both bred like rabbits
Yup, Che Guevara was Argentinian. He was an actual Doctor in Medicine and later became Cuban Health Minister if I remember correctly. His nickname "Che" comes from an Argentinian word, che (which means something like hey or listen), which Ernesto Guevara would constantly repeat (as we Argentinians do all the time) and seemed funny to his non Argentinian friends
Interesting. Appreciate hearing from an Argentinian on this!
Would have made sense to make him Health Minister but I think it was the Financial Minister and head of the National bank among other titles
@@mannistef just checked, he was Minister of Industry after being the president of the National Bank
Fun fact, when Che Guevara says "penny for the scapegoat", this is a reference to the time after Guy Fawkes' execution, townsfolk would create a doll made out of straw and an old bag referred to as a "Guy" to be burned on a town bonfire on the 5th of November. These townsfolk would take this doll around town, shouting out the phrase "penny for a Guy" and people would give them pennies to have this straw doll burned on the bonfire :)
Gotta give the win to Lecter mostly because Jack didn’t do much. Like Lecter said You didn’t mention me once in your entire battle rap. At least in the first verse he didn’t.
How much of that is we don't know much about him, but we do know the typical serial killer "psychology" for Hannibal to use against him.
@@gregcourtney7717 What do you mean?
@@Lugiamasterbrony Like Hannibal said all we know about the Jack the Ripper definitively is that he killed at least five women and the name the newspapers gave him. Things like his personality, why he was killing are not clear with fictional depictions varying it wildly.
This means erb, like every other depiction had to make a lot of the fundamental aspects up, so he can't really represent the real historical person in the same way their portrayals of other historical figures where we know things like personality can.
As for the psychological profile thing, that goes in two directions. One, Hannibal's whole schtick is psycholically analyzing someone and using that against them. That is exactly what Hannibal does here. Two, many of the things Hannibal criticizes, like Jack not even trying to attack in his first verse, are just traits of the basic "serial killer" profile. Again, we don't fully know the real Jack's profile, so you have to just put the template on him for the sake of the battle.
@@gregcourtney7717 But keep in mind this is a rap battle if one builds themselves up in a rap battle more than dissing in this case Jack then it's harder to win. Sure Jack got some decent blows in but overall he didn't get enough in.
The penny dreadful line was refencing the TV show "Penny Dreadful", this series brings characters like Frankstein and others into a new light by exploring their origin stories in this psychological thriller that takes place in the dark corners of Victorian London.
The TV show gets its name from Penny Dreadfuls which were Victorian-Era serial books popularly sold at executions. I'm sure it's a reference to those rather than the TV series. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_dreadful
@@VloggingThroughHistory Have you read any of the Penny Dreadful's or watched the series?
Wishing you safe travels, and I do look forward to seeing what comes next. Good luck on the road to 20k as well!
Guy Fawkes jumped off the gallows and broke his neck, before they could carry out his sentence.
Your analysis is just as great as the ERB videos. As a holder of a history degree, I appreciate your knowledge. Subscribed!
Last time I was this early Jack the Ripper had a 9-kill streak
Guy Fawkes won that one (imo); the line "these rhyme skills are not evenly distributed" always makes me laugh out loud...
Fun fact: Guy Fawkes may have (most likely) committed suicide during his execution. He was sentenced to be hung, drawn, and quartered. (Technically it was drawing, hanging, and quartering because the drawing came first) When the hangman was getting him up the ladder to be hung (which was supposed to be non-fatal) he fell/jumped (most likely, he took a dive) off of the platform, killing himself instantly and denying the Crown the tortuous process of executing him.
I like your theorizing on jack the ripper, though i personally believe that the ripper is Charles Allen Lechmere, or Charles Allen Cross. There is alot of circumstantial evidence against Lechmere such as him being able to be placed near all the crime scenes, his unwillingness to come forward until provoked, and when he was questioned by police: his timing doesn’t work well with the report given from another witness of the body who found him “looming over the dead body.”
The guy playing Jack the Ripper is Dan Bull. He has an awesome rap that you might enjoy called Civilization Epic Rap. It goes through the history of our civilization while using the trailer video from the game Civilization - ua-cam.com/video/addABbm5VPo/v-deo.html
I give the win to Guy Fawkes. He pointed out better the deficiencies of Che Guevara (pronounced geh-vah-rah, that "u" is silent in Spanish), from being source of merchandise to being Castro's failed minister of economy. Hence the "you muddled your economy like mint in a mojito". After his failure he decided he was better at throwing out governments than running them, so he went out to try to aid other revolutions outside of Cuba and that's when he was captured.
these are two of my favorites, love this channel!
"Cabrón" is Mexican slang, Argentinians are more of the "Pelotudo" and "Boludo" type.
Great video! Also thanks for explaining some things that I didn't know x) Even though I have graduated High School, I still didn't know some of those things! Also, I would recommend 'Vlad the Impaler vs Dracula' - if you haven't already done that.
Please do a video on Jack The Ripper, it's really interesting and I'd love to hear you do more into it
Definitely in the plans!
If Jack the Ripper is subject that interests you you might enjoy watching the BBC series Whitechapel, the first season is about a Jack the Ripper copy cat and the second season is about Kray Twin Copy cats. But it come at it from the angle of using history to solve the crimes.
Loved that series, as well as Ripper Street. My wife and I are big fans of many BBC shows.
Outlaw King if peeps want to see the Robert The Bruce movie that involves a part of William Wallace arriving in the local city that he resided in before his overthrowing of the English and the route to King btw.
Good reaction, lots of information that's super interesting. I'd love to see more on some naval warfare though if that "floats your boat" (waheeey).
I could listen to you talk about Jack the Ripper for hours lol
My wife says I need to do a dedicated stream on Jack. I probably will at some point.
I love these! Please do more!
came for the reaction, stayed for the true crime commentary
I like how you break down the verses, but id like to hear more about how you feel about the verses. Which you liked most and such.
I'm actually a fan of the William Gull theory, as made (more) popular by Alan Moore's graphic novel "From Hell". I particularly enjoy all the appendices and how exaustive his research really was.
Caesar vs Shaka is one of my all time favorites
Also the penny for the scapegoat line stuck out. I am pretty sure that part of the celebrations in GB on Giy Fawkes night, beside fireworks, is that they will make a stuffed version of him, place it in a wheel barrow or something like that and go around saying "penny for the guy" I am probably missing quite a bit with that, but I have a cousin that is British and that is all I can remember from her talking about it when I was younger.
From what I read, before being hanged, Fawkes fell from the scaffolding of the platform stage and broke his neck which kills him. Even after dying, that's when they performed the drawing and quartering on his body. There are other conspirators that was to be executed that day (hanged, drawn, quartered), Fawkes was the last one to be executed and his fall saved him from the agony of being drawn and quartered.
Jack the Ripper is very interesting. I really like how many different theories there are. I heard one that I think was disproven, but was interesting none the less, that H. H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper. I believe it was found out to be a descendent of Holmes that started the theory so he could capitalize on his ancestor.
No way man. Hannibal's goodbye roasts all of Jack the rippers lines. Lol
Hey little new here. Love to see such a different reaction. Most people milk 10 minutes multiple times. Instead of shoving them all into one. Love to see it!
Wait wtf. I think my youtube messed up. My video length said 1h 18 minutes. Then it went to 20. Meh still a triple!
Guy Fawkes wins cause he didn't treat "more like V for very bad hat" as a big line when I would even call it a passable line.
Pretty interesting to learn more about the characters to be honest
I think the bar where Guy points out that capitalists use Che's face to get rich was a murder blow. That just completely proved how pointless his life's work was.
Excellent point!
His life wasn't pointless though. Yes, the fact that capitalists are getting rich off of a communist face is ironic but you can't deny that Che and Castro impacted history in a tremendous way, so his life wasn't really pointless...
@@sebaynovuelve All a matter of perspective I suppose.
There's also a theory about HH Holmes being Jack.
REQ: Bay Of Pigs and I Will Rule The Universe (Napoleon) by a group called CIVIL WAR
Maybe as a next video you'll record a reaction to ERBoH Alexander The Great vs Ivan the Terrible?
Oh yeah, that's a good one!
You should do Eastern Philosophers vs western Philosophers Epic rap Battle
Always fun to watch
I like the theory it's Mary Pearcey because she killed her lovers' wife and her dialect was similar and I believe women would have trusted other women
There's a Jack the Ripper book out called "The Diary of Jack the Ripper" which is based on a diary found that belonged to a merchant from Liverpool called James Maybrick.
Maybrick was an arsenic addict, he describes in his diary, in some detail, about buying arsenic in quantities too large for any single pharmacist to willingly sell.
The diary includes writings from Maybrick that describe what appears to be an arsenic overdose. While visiting the city of Manchester where a prostitute was attacked by a canal in a style that would come to resemble Jack the Ripper's.
Diary exerpts also place Maybrick in London around the time of the Ripper murders. Where he details another arsenic overdose.
The last entry before the diary was boarded up in a chimney stated that Maybrick was travelling to America for business.
Around the time he was in America on the rail roads there were reportedly several Ripper style attacks in towns where the train stopped.
Which would explain why he was never caught. They looking in London for a merchant from Liverpool who had booked passage to the States.
Yeah...exactly who and what I was talking about in this video.
@@VloggingThroughHistory you're the only person I've ever known to mention James Maybrick. I felt like a right jackass. I wrote my comment as soon as you brought up possibly Ripper candidates. Then saw you mention him at length.
Also, i know this is years late...
But I just realized the "I don't mind that you're naughty, Jack, I hate that you're sloppy" comes from Kiss the Girls, an Alex Cross movie adaptation about two serial killers competing.
Came for the ERB, stayed because i found out you also watch the Seminal Tragedy series by extra credits.
Buffalo bull i believe was based on ed gein and another guy, that held his victims in a hole in his basement. Silence of the lambs won 9 awards including best picture the year is came out.
"thank you, thank you for getting us to 10k subscribers". Now you are almost at 400k :)
With Guy Fawkes, there was a lot of the communism/socialism never worked and threw in Venezuela as an example
I'd like to see the Cold Harbor battlefield or maybe even The Battle of the Crater. That'd be interesting
Please do more, I liked your reaction ^_^
I remember hearing a theory that Jack the ripper and H.H. Holmes could be the same person but im not sure if i believe it, just throwing it out there.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence
Didn't Kosminksi (forgive if I spell the name wrong) move to the states after the Jack cases and they tracked him back as a barber in the states who pulled off something similar to Sweeney Todd (minus the cannabilism part)
The Kosminski they think was Jack never left the UK. He ended up in an asylum and died in 1919. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Kosminski
@@VloggingThroughHistory Oh? I must be thinking of someone else because I remember on the history channel about 4 years ago I saw someone they THOUGHT was Jack. He lived in New York and had a barber shop with a bunch of trapdoors and panels. Thanks for the information though. :)
4:18 About the possible identity of Jack the Ripper, I’d like to see the paper you wrote about who he could’ve possibly been. Personally, I think it was an Irish quack doctor named Francis Tumblety. He was a horrible misogynist (he especially hated prostitutes) who would hold dinner parties and show off female body organs that he kept in jars. This doesn’t help the fact that there were a couple of instances where Jack the Ripper kept some organs from his victims: one instance included a heart and the other instance was a possibly real kidney that came with the infamous “From Hell (Catch me when you can, Mr. Lusk)” letter.
Thanks for the warning but unfortunately one night I was watching a documentary about Jack the ripper killings and after discussing the details of every murder they were showing the images of the mutilated women and for the first 4 victims the images were somewhat tolerable ( at least for me ) but that 5th victim's image was so horrifying that I had nightmares for few days
so be careful when watching such thing
Jack the Ripper is Walter Sickert. Patricia Cornwall has written a couple of books on it. Very interesting. She makes about a strong of a case that can be made over 100 years later.
Walter Sickert has a good case to be Jack
I believe Patricia Cornwell wrote the book "portrait of a killer" which depicts an excellent argument for sickert
Sickert was a painter, and several of his paintings were dark, in 1 there's a mirror and a shadowy figure with a knife can be seen, some think that was a self portrait of some kind
The unequally distributed line was the best.😂
There was a Broadway musical about that known as Bonfire
You should do a reaction on ivan the terrible vs alexander the great it has so many twists and turns
I like the Alan Moore connection - V for Vendetta and From Hell.
The 5th of November was known as the Gunpowder Treason Plot
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the gentleman who portrayed jack was also the one they had do Winston Churchill.
Fun fact Hannibal and Jack never sneeze or cough once during this video
Brought to you by ERB in this battle between two different serial killers and then the two failed revolutionaries
Can you do a video on Jack the Ripper and the different theories of who it might have been?
Funny thing that it seems guy fawkes is in the basement of parliament based on the background
Can't remember most of it but I remember watching a doc that had a lot of evidence that they did infact catch jack in new york anyway. Apparently there was a killer in new york that had come from London a little while after jacks killings, he also killed in a similar fashion and was a upholster by trade so had tools that would've worked in the ripper murders. Granted they could've made stuff up or stretched the truth as I never looked into all that deeply (was always more interested in the zodiac killer moreso than jack the ripper myself) but it made alot of sense if all true
My hating your pronunciation, "Güevera" is totally irrational. Great job, love your videos.
That was alot of information about Jack the Ripper, might I suggest you do a separate video about it, you were talking way to fast and i can understand why lol good vid
Also didn’t they suspect an American H.
H. H. Holmes because they found ship records showing one of his aliases arrive before the first killing and the alias appeared again on a return ship to America after the last victim
they also use horses for quartering sometimes
There was a what does the fox say reference in this
Che instantly lost with the line "its more like V for very bad hat!"
Should have kept watching to the very end of Jack the Ripper vs Lecter
I've said it before but man...Gideon from "Criminal Minds" is your doppelganger. A young Gideon
I like the little rambling about who Jack The Ripper might’ve been after the rap battle
Okay, I just discovered your channel. I love ERB, so I'm diggin' this series a lot. I love how you do these reactions/reviews in pairs. I think you'd really enjoy Lao Tsu, Sun Tsu, and Confucius vs Nietzsche, Socrates, and Voltaire (Eastern Philosophers vs Western Philosophers) and George Washington vs William Wallace.
It'd be cool to see Chris react to History Buffs epsode on "From Hell"
Outlaw King Chris. That’s the Robert The Bruce movie.
You describe "Hung, drawn and quartered" in detail then reference a Chris Pine flick about William Wallace when the film *Braveheart* shows *exactly* what you're describing and is a way more known film.
I mean, you do you ofcourse... But it's a really wierd pick for a reference.
We fear the unknown, we fear the fake, we fear the imagination. We have greater fears from our own minds, then what we fear in real life.
At the 9:39 mark....are you meaning the 1880s/90s or the 1980s/90s ??
Ed Gein wasnt a serial killer afaik. He was only ever convicted for 1 murder, he stole corpses though.