The worst thing about the game and companies behind it is that they lied to us and tried to silence anyone criticizing it . This should be illegal. People are angry and rightly so!
It is illegal but the only people that can push charges onto people Like Andrew Busche for intentionally losing them money and destroying a profitable i.p. It is a crime and it is punishable by law but the problem if the companies are too scared to sue activists.
@@blackdysfunction8260They should at least try to take action, these people clearly don't care about gaming or the customers who buy the games they made for them. These activists deserve to get sued.
You can tell when all the language in the dialogue comes straight out of the 21st century. The writers aren't trying to write a story that immerses the audience in their far away world any longer. That alone, disqualifies it from being worth looking at.
I watched Vara playing Veilguard. She tried 55 minutes to create a decent, beautiful female character -- she failed. The males always have a female touch, the females have a male touch -- every characater looks more or less trans. This is not a coincidence. I want to be able to make all sorts of characters and not only characters, the lead dev at Bioware thinks I should like. The pronoun-scenes or the "talk with mother" "sidequest" with "Taash" made me grind my teeth off.
I watched her stream for a bit, too. It was awful. Really highlighted a lot of the terrible flaws. The janky animations, the "my face is tired" expressions, the terrible writing, the repetitive combat (which is such a dodge fest it's not even entertaining). And yeah, all of the player characters always look slightly off. It gives the impression that they wanted so badly to deny that males and females are sexually dimorphic. Laughably bad stuff. I'm so glad I cancelled my preorder when all the reviews started dropping 2 days before launch. (I'm ashamed to say it even took me that long to decide whether or not to cancel. I was hopeful that most of the "agenda" stuff would be ignorable or skippable, but it became clear that they really force it right into your face at every turn.)
It is weird, because any woman I know who plays games wants to play a pretty girl. Its not just some "male fantasy" thing. Men like to be cool dudes in games, women like being pretty women. Its hardly a shocker.
Qunari have no "family units": they do not marry, choose partners, or even know to whom they are related. A father's role ends at conception, a mother's ends at birth. Now Taash, the Qunari has mother to talk to. Damn BioWare don't read their own lore.
@@friedrichjunzt just for laughs, someone should do a UA-cam video where they try to create male characters in DATV that are based on tough looking movie stars (eg Danny Trejo, Jason Statham or Charles Bronson etc), just to see how they turn out.....!
@@regiszeitlos970 Their excuse is that she's not Qunari, because she doesn't follow the Qun, so she's free of all the cultural obligations, standards and practices.
-They knew that the game was garbage compared to the previous ones. -They knew that the dialog was atrocious. -They knew that woke stuff was off putting and would harm sales. But gaming companies have become hostages to their DEI employees and if they remove the woke stuff and correct the dialog these employees would revolt so they did whatever they can to save the game by giving a 4 hour of decent gameplay and putting the overly woke stuff later in the game. Which is a scam.
They are not hostage one second. They are FULL 100% participants. Because they take loans of Blarock, and Blackrock impose a list of 82 woke criteria in order to accept giving you the loan. Don't gullible/naive/in denial. It's a team effort by 3 parties 1- The company 2- The ones that finance the company 3- Main shareholders 4- The woke employees. EVERYONE is on it with the agenda. Only hostage are the extremely few hetero white and asian men working there, it's akin to prison time.
@@elchippe Don’t forget they get investment money for DEI/ESG activity. The suits up top don’t care about anything but their money and whatever pleases investors. If the company fails they’ll just move on and face no real repercussions.
Well they perfectly knew it would cause a problem, i have seen a video from a guy who was reading the agreement that reviewers had to sign and it was especially focused on the fact that they should not talk about anything woke, DEI or comparing to other games, they even gave them a list of sentences or words they had to include. I could not believe what i was watching, this is a totally dishonest manipulation that is probably false advertisement and could cause a law suit. So they realized that it was too late to change anything and they tried to minimize the damage, by giving codes mostly to little groups of LGBT players or journalists that are perfectly aware that a bad review would put them out of the list of reviewers for EA games.
I refunded at the 2h40m mark. As a Dragon Age fan i felt Veilguard was a slap in the face.. the entire retcon concerning the elven and qunari lore.. the lack of grim dark fantasy, very poor writing that seems meant for a 5th grade schoolkid... and as woman i felt utterly insulted at the lack of feminine customization.. the models are androgenous, buff & chiseled muscular..i cant even reproduce my natural shape in this game. Then i saw vids of the scene where the qunari companion questions if anyone enjoys being a woman.. its utterly mysogynist..rip Dragon Age, Rip BioWare
Yep, glad to see another woman who felt the same way! I've been complaining in a couple of channels about the scene with Isabella saying her nonbinary crewmember looked 'better than her' in a dress. They just did that to put women down and lift themselves up. And changing her body shape (& Morrigan's to look less feminine). Apparently there's another scene with a transwoman, Maevaris, from the comics who appears & has to tell you she's trans and that it was an act of courage to show herself as a woman magister. Your Rook is forced to just go along with it and praise how brave she is. Not sure if it's true because I haven't bothered to watch a full playthrough. Plus they ruined Morrigan's character. Making no mention of her son (yet making her so much nicer even though he was largely responsible for why she softened up from Origins to Inquisition??) and giving her the fate she feared the most in Origins. Taash's mother is portrayed as a 'Karen'. It's all just insulting.
People seriously need to start learning to NOT buy these games! Just don't buy them, you don't need to try it out to know it's shit. If you buy it and then complain you are giving money to them and they are winning. Just fucking boycott these woke games if you want the gaming industry to get better at SOME point!
Why. Most of the TV shows and moves I loved when I was a kid, and many of the video games would have people whining they were woke if they came out now. Star Trek the original Star Wars movies, Babylon 5, either Battlestar Galactica, Terminator 2, most fighting games, the majority of RPGs released in the 90s or later and some from the 80s would have extremists screaming woke if they came out today including the entire Dragon Age series and all of the Mass Effect games
I just hope this kind of stuff speeds up the downfall of the current AAA climate. Because it needs to burn, it needs to be purged, and like Ragnaros said ''by fire, be purged.''
Here here! I'm fed up with the tragic state of the video game industry. I started developing my own games solo. Everyone join me and let's bring back actual gaming! Fun, creativity, innovation.
As a lesbian, I find that this game feels almost like a dismissal of the LGBTQ+ community. Honestly, I don’t identify strongly with the community beyond my own orientation, but that doesn’t mean representation isn’t important. What I personally want to see are well-developed, attractive female characters, and I don’t find that offensive or superficial at all. The storyline about Taash grappling with a nonbinary identity feels out of place in a medieval setting, even if it’s within a fantasy world. Gender identity, as we understand it today, is largely rooted in postmodern ideas that explore and deconstruct identity, culture, and societal norms. But in the historical Middle Ages, women who pursued unconventional roles-like becoming knights or warriors-weren’t necessarily driven by a desire to challenge or redefine gender itself. They often wanted to fight for their land, their faith, or personal beliefs, without viewing their roles in terms of modern gender identity. Given the Qunari’s rigid cultural structure and beliefs about gender roles, it would feel more natural for a female character simply to want to be a warrior, seeking acceptance within her society’s frameworks. This would allow for a strong female character without projecting postmodern ideas into a world where they might not feel authentic.
@@akiraaoi18 this. It doesn't fit the environment, and it's frankly erasing the struggles women go through due to sexism, especially in the past. You can even pick it apart in Taash' wish - she really hates dresses. Why? They're inconvenient for a warrior. But she comes to the conclusion that it must be her that is wrong, and not society?
This isn't just an issue in the creative world. I went for a job at a University, I didn't get it even with over a decade of experience in a similar role, and years of experience in other roles that would have been a huge benefit for the University. I was told I didn't get the role as I didn't have enough experience, which I knew was a lie. Little did they know that I knew people that already worked there and the person that got the job over me was a 19 year old female with exactly ZERO years of experience and in fact, this was going to be her first ever job. I knew in the interview that the lead female interviewer didn't like me from the start. She was in a role that made no sense to me as she had ZERO experience in the field and when I checked her work history profile, she had worked in numerous low level admin roles and was a sales person in a mobile phone shop and now she was the National Director of this particular field at the University. WTF.
Bro, I tried to get a job at my local McDonald's. Just a 2nd job for extra cash. The...person...that interviewed me was wildly trans. Had a They/Them nametag. Looked like a dude dressed as a chick. No other way to describe it. I'm a straight white male with 15 years of experience in the food service industry. Do you think I got the job? At MCDONALD'S?
Sounds like you could sue for discrimination. You even have solid proof. You were denied for lack of experience, but then were replaced with someone without any experience. At least you would get some money, and make the persons life who did this to you a nightmare for years to come - until the case is solved. Good chance she would get booted out herself in the end!
We should have gotten the elden ring treatment massive world good writing making it grim dark because of what's at stake and no propaganda bs no modern lingo it's a medieval world not 2024 hell look at origins darkspawn and how much they have been changed
Honestly amazing to me how anyone could ever consider giving it a 7/10 in the first place especially when they say stuff like "it's not great, not terrible" and then give it anything above a 5/10.
@ChannelHandlePending I think people forget that in a rating of 1-10, 5 is average yet it seems instead that people view 5 as basically a 1 and it starts from there. Even when people rate attractiveness, a 5 is viewed as deeply offensive
Dragon Age The Veilguard was my last hope in terms of western made video games, now im so disgusted by western "entertainment" that I consider the western video game industry to be utterly dead. From now on I will only be buying non western made video games, the west can rot. DEI - Divison, Exclusion, Indoctrination.
Careful now, I wouldn't want you to buy the good Western video games. It's an industry problem that is pushed by investors and not game devs as a whole.
All they did was make somebody’s dragon age fanfiction a reality. I am so horrified at how they gutted the long-standing plot of the Dragon age universe. BioWare has lost me permanently as a consumer and long time DA fan. Why does it seem that this particular group of people hate those of which they want to look like or be? Are they jealous of people like myself who were assigned female at birth?
I literally got so bored playing Veilguard, I stopped playing to do some challenges on Dead by Daylight instead. After that, I couldn’t force myself to go back to it, instead playing Pathfinder Wraith of the Righteous, which I now appreciate so much more after this.
Im a Rpg junky if you can create a character i will pretty much finish the game..... I have been dragging my feet 10... 20 minutes its so hard to get into..
@@sgt2x41 Hell yeah. I love Owlcat studios. Been a fan since Kingmaker. I was also a fan of Dragon Age since Origins. But hopefully that isn't relevant in the future.
I think the thing that is pissing me off with bioware when it comes to these gender politics is 90 maybt 85% of the playerbase and DA fans wouldnt be bothered about it if it was done tastefully. Its the distastful and forced pushing that is why its getting so critiqued.
It used to be done tastefully. In previous Dragon Age games, there was LGBTQ+ content that wasn't forced into your face. Today's incompetent developers and directors lack nuance and subtly and are complete hacks.
Me and my friends used to make jokes about some of the not-straight romances in ME. To the point of trying those routes, having a gay Sheppard and having fun overall with the role playing possibilities for the character. It’s like the writers were aware it’s all a bit silly in the end anyway, so just have fun whomever you want to play as. This new DA just feels weird and preachy, we don’t want to play it at all
I want my games to be MORE similar to real life: I never run into transtards and only rarely run into homo. I NEVER run into pronouns or pronoun people, and if I did, I would refuse to play along. Games need to be more like that REAL LIFE.
@@jaydenfisher7917 that is very true. The way Krems dialogue went is actually a very good example of how bioware handled it in the past. But the way it is today is just insanity.
What made Bioware great was the people. Those people are long gone. All you have now is a reputation that they built. Any misguided loyalty (fanboyism) should have ended a long time ago.
It's funny they claim the game is a success with 90k concurrent players over the weekend. When you have game like Wukong that reached 2.3 millions, Cyberpunk 2077 with over 1 million, Elden Ring at 950k, Baldur's Gate 875k. 90k is not a success it's a HUGE failure.
Diversity over skill, from the company that made Baldur's Gate, what a shame. "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
I was just ranting to my dad about veilguard and by the end of the rant I realised what actually annoyed me so much about the game nothing was wrong with DEI in the first one, in fact, it was more diverse, more inclusive and the conversations and the message behind them were deeper Sven a qunari terrifying to people and set in their ways is saved by a female warden and vows to protect her and fight the darkspawn he learns that she fights too she isn't just political she isn't just a leader and he doesn't understand this so he confronts her over and over again I played a female warden with sven in my first playthrough and he confronts you on many decisions he doesn't believe women should (can) fight and he doesn't agree with tactical decisions you make because you are a woman and you can call him on it you can confront him on his beliefs you can make him question them and he doesn't just go well you're the exception i guess he really tries to understand why and how you came to be that is diversity and inclusion that is the message that is the talk that was me at idk 14 years old genuinely having my first talk about misogyny expressing my actual opinions on it and talking to someone on the other side of that wall understanding why he feels that way his culture his religion without even seeing any of that this game would take that opportunity that was so amazing for me growing up and replace it with a colourful bi sexual non gendered qunari that makes no lore sense because they can if everyone here is gay or bi where does the conversation happen what is the message we're here deal with it? really? that's the message? in dragon age origins you could straight up not have a companion in several play throughs I didn't take zevran at first because I didn't trust him Then because I found him to be too sexual and forward when I was younger I found that uncomfortable and he taught me that but when taking him as a companion you learn about all the trauma behind it the lack of any real solid foundation that makes him throw himself around hoping to connect to something not every "zevran" is like that, but some are, zevran was and he helped me understand those people and after that I never didn't take him but by taking away a players agency and just forcing them to have and deal with every companion and their problems you take away their care they aren't going to be invested in your game enough to learn why zevran is the way he is or to confront sven on his beliefs if you force them it lost the beauty of dragon age origins because it lost the conversation it lost the players opinion it lost the depth to the character it lost the actual darkness, the real trauma
Another example of this is blood mages, the first time you hear of them blood mages suck, they are terrible people, you assume they're evil because everyone says they are, but then seeing them in the tower on your return there you are confronted with the reality, they're forced towards it, desperate, scared & with literally nothing else to turn to. Another example of this is player agency, your class and even your subclass, your race, your gender, all of this plays a part in your story, as a human noble you can take the throne, marry into it, you have more persuasion politically. as a blood mage you can perform blood magic for narrative solutions, as a mage you can enter the fade. as an elf you receive less hostility from other elves and politically you are looked down on. You are made to be a real character and you are made to live with the pros and cons of you decisions and those are written in such a way that you feel for people that suffer from these disadvantages and you appreciate advantages that you do have in life.
So if what the inside informer said is correct, the solution is to not only not buy Dragon Age, but not buy any product with the Bioware label until EA disbands the studio.
That happened after Mass Effect 3 in 2012 (Bioware is hardly a stranger to this), Andromedas failure is usually attributed to the bugs, but truth is it failed long before those became known, it's pre-sales were in the toilet compared to ME3 as the fans remembered, the fact it was a glitchy undercooked mess was just the cherry on top. Anthem failed for the same reason, the fanbase had gone, but Bioware had the money from Star Wars: The Old Republic to keep them going and it did, with the Mass Effect remasters they got in a newer audience untainted by the events of 2012 who only knew the controversy by 2nd hand articles. But it's was a fragile recovery the newer fanbase isn't as big and with gamers increasingly wary of woke themes this game needed to do well to bring in a bigger audience, it's doing meh at best and the Guard will be up for a new Mass Effect game and unlike Dragon Age, whose core audience wanted the game to succeed, Mass Effects original core audience wants nothing more than to see Bioware burn...
According to Gamalytic, the game sold 480k copies and made about 26 mil dollars gross. That's really low considering the game's budget is in the hundreds of millions and the honeymoon is over.
GOOD. -- They tryna make this game look like their best release because it beat their ATH on Steam. BECAUSE all their other titles never launched on Steam before, until after like 5-10 years, but I bet if they released a remastered version of Origins or whatever, it'd have gotten way higher numbers than Veilguard did.
@@ferrievanvliet8043 DA:I was rereleased 6y after launch in 2020. DA:O you "could" link to Steam but was released 2009, before BW was sold to EA and mostly the Games were sold as Disks because 23 GB DL in 2009 was not so much fun, so not many used Steam like today. So the Statement with "most sold BW Game on Steam ever" may correct but thats misleading and they know it. ^^
It’s always funny how people are hesitant to rate bad games lower than a 6 or 5 out of 10. Why though? Veilguard has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and is easily a 4 or 3 out of 10. No one is missing out by not buying this sorry excuse for a video game.
I knew this back in 2012 where Bioware wrote the book on gaslighting the gaming community with the shitty ending of ME3. Glad everyone else is catching up now.
The ending wasnt even the worse part of ME3 for me (and that shitty writing was already present back when they released arrival for ME2), it was how they ruined the geth and basically retconned what we see in ME2
I collect steelbooks, so i bought Anthem for 20 bucks or so. The story was diarrhea incarnate but the gameplay was good because you can easily watch UA-cam on another screen. This abomination naw pass.
I was there for it all in 2012, the Re:Take movement, the cupcakes, the fan attacks, the patronising statements telling gamers what they really wanted, the lies the access media dog pile, Yatzhee's sell out article, the forum censorship all of it, I'm part of the 50% who never claimed their free Citadel DLC and the fact half the audience refused a free DLC is telling of how much anger there was. People forget the betrayal it represented, till that point Bioware had been the fan company, excellent customer relations then they turned on a dime to protect Casey Hudsons ego. To this day, I'm angry about it, but we did learn one thing from it all, being nice and reasonable doesn't work, trying to work with developers and give constructive feedback doesn't work. Now we know what does, backlash, sales impacts, and negative steam reviews and gamers are more than happy to play that game!!
I know no one will believe me but they used the 30k keys that they can give for free to boost the numbers for steam.. And just saying they partnered with gfn subscription so they can run multiple windows for running the game for free. I know its a tinfoile hat theory however I was saying this 2 weeks before . And the player count never goes down below 30k. Is this a huge coincidence maybe. But the amount of journalists that got payed to do 10/10 game review is also just a coincidence.
At this point in time thoughts like that don't fall under the "Tinfoil Hat" denominator anymore. They fall under the "Perfectly Reasonable" category. Dishonesty is the keyword here. They can't be trusted to speak the truth - see the "Highest ranking Dragon Age on Steam" - so who says they won't stoop so low as to pull of something like this?
I kinda hope that's true, means they'll lose even more money. Dragon's Dogma sold 2.3mil copies in 11 days for 233k simultaneous players, meaning Veilguard probably didn't even sell a million copies and they probably need over 2.5mil to start making money on this garbage. 30k fake copies means they're also losing another 2.1mil on top of that.
@SeaRaven227 to be honest I think lot of games doing this. One way or another. But in this case they don't gived out those keys for reviewing. Instead they are doing something really weird.
If your core gaming loop constantly closes, your game will not be fun, people are experiencing this and stopping the game. The loop needs to reward and I hear a lot of people saying this game feels rewardless.
It's way too obvious that this game was marketed for the woke community. I have no problem with LGBTQ in games. But when you have what I call "zippertits" and preferred pronouns I just can't. It starts to go into gender politics. Some of the cut scenes feel very much like a middle school class being taught how to act correctly. Feels nothing like an RPG and certainly not like what Dragon Age is supposed to be. It was geared towards people that wanted an adventure game that wouldn't offend anyone.
@@WolfsBlood44 right, this game footage is giving me the level of cringe I felt when everyone in my college class was forced to fill out a written statement declaring that they’re not a racist. They did it, they solved racism. I have no problem with LGBT people existing in games and minding their business as long as it matches the world building and is not done in a cringe way. I have nothing against lesbian couple in BG3 for example, because they were well established as characters and do not lecture me on their sexuality. Trans scars and modern gender studies lingo in Dragon Age? Hell no.
Behold! A game that was given the funding, time, and effort to include identity politics at every level of production and execution. Here is your product! Consume it, buy it, play it, support it... oh wait
I think this game suffers from what a lot of recent releases do. If you base hiring practices and design decisions on DEI, and not who is or what would be best for the game, we end up with products like this. We need to go back to the era when talent and skill meant much more than DEI for hiring practices.
I think the reason why we aren't getting anywhere with the conversation is because like most issues in society, we are not looking past the divisive outer shell to get to the real issue. Dei isn't the issue. It's the world view that these hires have base on their experience in the world. Their inspirations, their beliefs...it's going to lead to what the majority of us would consider cringe content. They have spent their life time avoiding real world physical conflicts, which does not give them the experience to design conflicts and battle. They spent their life resisting our global establishments and cultures, which includes classical content that all other designers learn from. That classical basis gives them the blueprint to write something like a Balders Gate 3. So I would posit that we stop using the moniker of DEI, and start asking that the new game designers be trained on how to create a product that reflects the real world landscape of the audience.
Nearing the end of the game and I have to say this. If there is one thing that characterizes this game it's the bumpiness. There are good companions, some really good but the rest are plain bad. There are good dialogues and then there are those that make you grind your teeth. There are extremely fun fights but they are few and far between. There are some beautiful locations (looking at Deep Roads) but the rest is mediocre, just upscaled Inquisition. There are some nice tracks but most of the music is abhorrent and completely unsuited to Dragon Age. There are some decisions but most don't matter. If you played earlier games then you continuously see that the game forcibly steers you from some places because it would have to account for decisions from earlier games. Some decisions are outright ignored (you remember that there is an option to romance Harding in Inquisition? It's missing here.) Looking more analytically i found that much of the conversations would work much much better and with less exposition dumpy feeling if we were given more decisions FROM existing dialogue. It is incredible how often two or three sentences could be cut from a monologue and put in as different decisions. It's overall your typical modern dialogue too much said too little left to ponder. And finally the pacing. Somehow after the first few hours the quality of writing goes up for the whole middle part of the game only to plummet after recruiting Taash (coincidence?)
They make Rook like a little girl. Oh Verick I just can't do this without you waaaaaa waaaaaa and Harding with the pity party that the gods got out.....maybe it's just me but I found myself just annoyed at the constant crying😂 I dunno if I can finish it of the dialog gets worse.
I can see this being true and in more than just a situational way. 10 years for an on-rails soulslike with the narrative complexity of a middle school lunch table and an art style seemingly auto-generated with a Pixar filter is pathetic.
Judging by the dialogues in this game, the writers that made "Mass Effect Trilogy" a legendary game are long gone. That game had its own problems but despite of all its shortcomings, it was one of the most interesting adventures I've had in a game, I couldn't stop playing. This one I can't even start.
Can you really call it a game if it is a labor to play and not fun? I lean heavily toward "hell no." I doubt I'll even be able to watch any playthroughs all the way.
About the random change in direction of a conversation. This has always been a thing in RPG's but it was largely controlled by the player through dialogue options so it didnt feel so out of nowhere.
Dragonage is one of those games where people want it to rise or fall based on their political views. Anti-woke gamers hate it, woke games love it with NO deviation. That uniformity in opinion is something I can’t trust
I am making my assistant play this game as a punishment. His attitude lately sucks, so I am making him do a total play through. The game is such garbage. Him swearing and losing his s-t constantly is hilarious. He doesn't know it is punishment, he just thinks things are slow. They aren't I just wanted him to suffer and humble him.
i gave it a shot, spent an hour in character creation and after another hour i thought maybe ill change classes, and after 3.5 hours total steam wouldnt give me a refund.
@@zxyatiywariii8 makes absolutely sense considering that the first hour of the game is also not that bad. thinking that the game maybe could turn into something half decent only to be completely butchered past the 2 hour mark.
I don't see anyone talking about it but... wtf are those animations and the horrible lipsync...? I mean I remember NPCs in the witcher 3 with more believable animations and life to their faces than whatever I saw from veilguard so far. That is just so fucking shameful man, how is that even a thing? In 2024????
I really want it to eventually get to the part when they explain the veil between dimensions. I want there to be a part where you can side with destroying the veil and freeing the elves. Everything else doesn't matter. You don't need to sell me on new characters, their families, their lovers, their personal lives, nothing. It's about the veil that separates every dimension and maybe freeing the gods of old. That's what I was looking to see, but I get nothing. I'll save my money.
I got bored with the combat early on and ended up taking the advice given by a few reviewers of just turning the difficulty down to get it out of the way. I don't find the story terrible at the moment but it's very much not a return to form for Bioware.
I wonder what would count as 'false advertising' in a legal sense in this specific case. Morally it is. An unapologetic bait and switch cash grab imho.
I'm spamming a similar message to all UA-camrs for a third day now. I always create different characters in RPG and roleplay them, In my first gameplay i created a Dwarf Female Warrior protagonist, and the interactions between her and the rest of the girls are totally different than what I see in the videos. Only the Male protagonist starts stupid dialogs! The game is still boring rpg wannabe but is a lot less cringy! Please do look into this, it's blatant misandry.
9:18 Gamers, gamers never change. Wait one week after release? Watch streamer reviews before buying? No, we'll buy a pig in a poke and sponsor crazy entertainment world destroyers. This is not the gaming industry we need, but it is the one we deserve.
for me i gave up after some youtuber said the fun starts 90% when its almost done. that just broke me, because now it feels like it would be chore 10% fun or excitement is not worth it. not when i know that 90% is going to more lecturing and being talked down to. i did like how good it plays though, but gameplay is outbalanced by all the other stuff i dont care for.
“Act of fraud” is spot on these leeches thought it would be worth their time to pay people to implement their own selfish agenda and opinions into a game that IS A FANTASY. We are lucky UA-cam exists to keep us wary of this garbage practice and soon too will BioWare feel the wrath of the consumer. Bunch of people with the intent to make a great game thrown out for the sake of your “inclusion”. Truly pathetic practices these studios get away with and it’s as disrespectful as it gets.
While i dont think its as bad as people make it out to be....the Dialog above all else was just ...annoying even painful...after 5 hrs i was so annoyed with my companions repeating the "dire situation"...i just stopped...and the combat is so basic, that no its nothing worth everything else
The direction of the story going nowhere. First your character fighting in a bar then later you tried to stop Solas ritual then the next minutes, You need to stop the god and their cult, You also need to take care of your companion like a baby, Meet other forgettable side character that keep reminding you of the god then you go back to listen to your companion Agenda and Their need. Seriously even Call of Duty got a better direction and story than this.
I have a contact at Bioware whos leaving at the end of January (already resigned - so are twenty four others so I'm not confirming who he is with that.), hes sharing some seriously worrying details about Mass Effect (if true) I see the end of Bioware as they cant alienate massive portions of their two main IP's.
Them knowing in advance that their course of action would make the game worse for many fans makes this so much worse. This and the - very obvious - campaign they ran with so many gaming articles singing the praises of the game as a "return to form for Bioware" and stating stuff like the Veilguard being better than Baldur's Gate 3 just shows that EA and any that work under them are not to be trusted. They're never seeing a cent from me ever again, at least.
Man, that story at the end about the job opening. That's so disrespectful it's insane! How could you not lose your shit if they do that to you? They're literally asking for it!
Dragon's Age Origins: 2 bi-sexual individuals. Dragon Age 2: pan-sexual individuals. Dragon Age, Inquisition: Bull, pan-sexual/BDSM, Krem- Transexual (Bull lost his eye protecting them) Dorian-Gay. Varrick- wrote erotica. The list goes on and on. Bioware/EA has never been afraid of controversy; they've been in the thick of it for years. The CEO and chairman of EA, is a -man- 'Andrew Wilson'. And Wilson has been CEO since 2013, so it is NOT a female or LGBTQ dominated business; it is an equal opportunity business. All of the Dragon Age games have had strong female characters. IE: Anora, Cassandra, Lilliana, Morrigan, Harding, Vivian. Bioware is not doing anything they haven't been doing for years; they've always been forward thinking. Our own history is full of pan-sexual individuals, gay and lesbian folks.(King James, King James version of the bible fame -circa1567- was in love with a man even while he was married to a woman; he wrote love letters to him often. King James had at least three romantic homosexual affairs that we know of. Yet, many folks go to church holding a bible and most have a bible in their home. Saying Veilguard is out of its historical era--then all of the Dragon Age games are. Romanticizing the medieval era as being different than folks are now, nope. Although, people had to be much more careful than today, not everyone wore a crown. Only problem that I see, is that EA/Bioware shouldn't have released the game around the time of the election; the temperature of the masses is just to volatile on certain subjects.
I’d like to see the combat in a vacuum with something like a rogue-lite aspect. The linearity of the levels and combat could be fun, but I agree that the too few options make it tedious. More options and strategy would make the bulk of fights way more palatable without needing a full overhaul.
I'm actually more amazed people bought this on launch. I can understand being a nostalgic DA fan and wanting SOME conclusion, but buying this on day one and not on an insanely deep sale for like 5 bucks is just insanity.
The previous games did something very subtle that this one doesn't. Conversations stay on topic with the main story unless you ask them about something else.
Imagine if someone took a poop in their pants and then just walked around all day. Let it dry. Pretended it didn't exist that's what it's like to play this game
Started playing Origins. It’s amazing how mature the Game is right from the get go. The world is absolutly brutal, full of moral dilemmas. Nothing has to do with the gender or skintone of the characters. There are women and „minorities“ everywhere, but It’s just…. Normal. You Focus on the in Game Problems, nothing reminds you of the real world. Western Media has fallen.
the thing is, I'm fairly positive David Gaider is gay. like he talked about it and how he brought his own experiences to writing Dorian in Inquisition, and that he hesitated to make Dorian exclusively gay in the first place because he didn't want "being gay" to be Dorian's entire character. and as a result, Dorian has one of the most sensitively written, and well done character stories of any bioware character ever. so if he got pushed out, it's not because of his sexuality, it's because he's a damn good writer and likely couldn't keep his mouth shut that the shit the other writers were churning out WAS shit and should be treated as such.
This plays decent but definitely not a dragon age game and so is dragon age inquisition, plus I noticed they got worse with the dialogue feeling like saying the obvious or shitty jokes or forced politics, what a terrible combination
I like this review. It wasn’t just pitchforks out and screw the DEI or this or that. It was actually informative and your reasons for not liking it well explained. I have seen enough reviews at this point to make my own decision and don’t think I’ll be buying it. Not only the forced agenda things, but the story seems to be all over the place and the dialogue seems to not be up to what we’ve been spoiled with the last few years.
It's not Bioware! Their hands are tied. They are only developers, they dance as publisher play their tunes! Publishers are also under enormous pressure. You know...
Purple is the color for bi-sexuality. In case you’re wondering what that’s all about. Think about it. Blue and pink would make purple. These people are operating on a level deeper than most realize.
I definitely agree that the game was based on an intentional ruse, and that even so the first few hours intended to lure people in were noticeably shyte. Yes, after Gaider dropped out due to their insistence on a depraved Anthem turn for Bioware, then Anthem failed and they had to pivot back to a single-player RPG after their live service DA plans fell through... they discovered that they had no talent left. So what did they do? Beg Gaider to come back? No. Go out of their way to find intelligent writers who can due DA justice? No. They just said fuck it and plunged into their "vision" of creating an anti-cis trans-simulation fantasy game- though not a dark or high fantasy, just a fantasy. So for the rest of the decade since Inquisition they've been pushing the politicization of their workforce. But, despite their increasingly self-crippling echo chamber and clearly thinking they've earned some sort of political kudos for "championing" this shyte representation of trans, they still knew their shyte was shyte, and they knew the majority of DA's players were not only not trans but would notice the shyte quality. So the ruse became a thing. But it was EA that pushed this, EA that hired the trans director for a purpose, EA that wanted this shyte trans representation. It was a corporate pivot. So I have to wonder if it's just "being woke"/virtue-signaling on EA's part or if it's something more sinister like just giving a middle finger to players who didn't like their Anthem shyte and live service greed, or even sewing hatred for trans by making a very hateable, insufferable trans character the central feature of a DA game to sew divisiveness in the world. It certainly wasn't a good move for maximizing profits.
I identify as Non-Bioware
wow as do I!
cheese wheel or griffon shield
The worst thing about the game and companies behind it is that they lied to us and tried to silence anyone criticizing it . This should be illegal. People are angry and rightly so!
I do wonder if the FCC will have a say in reviews being taken down for nothing other than not agreeing with the publisher?
It is illegal but the only people that can push charges onto people Like Andrew Busche for intentionally losing them money and destroying a profitable i.p. It is a crime and it is punishable by law but the problem if the companies are too scared to sue activists.
@@blackdysfunction8260They should at least try to take action, these people clearly don't care about gaming or the customers who buy the games they made for them. These activists deserve to get sued.
THEY are the "tourists" not the fans.
You can tell when all the language in the dialogue comes straight out of the 21st century. The writers aren't trying to write a story that immerses the audience in their far away world any longer. That alone, disqualifies it from being worth looking at.
Not even the whole first quarter of 21 century 😬
Literally just the last 10-15 years 😑
It sounds so horrible.
Horrible larpers.
"That alone, disqualifies it from being worth looking at." - Precisely.
I watched Vara playing Veilguard. She tried 55 minutes to create a decent, beautiful female character -- she failed. The males always have a female touch, the females have a male touch -- every characater looks more or less trans. This is not a coincidence. I want to be able to make all sorts of characters and not only characters, the lead dev at Bioware thinks I should like. The pronoun-scenes or the "talk with mother" "sidequest" with "Taash" made me grind my teeth off.
I watched her stream for a bit, too. It was awful. Really highlighted a lot of the terrible flaws. The janky animations, the "my face is tired" expressions, the terrible writing, the repetitive combat (which is such a dodge fest it's not even entertaining). And yeah, all of the player characters always look slightly off. It gives the impression that they wanted so badly to deny that males and females are sexually dimorphic. Laughably bad stuff. I'm so glad I cancelled my preorder when all the reviews started dropping 2 days before launch. (I'm ashamed to say it even took me that long to decide whether or not to cancel. I was hopeful that most of the "agenda" stuff would be ignorable or skippable, but it became clear that they really force it right into your face at every turn.)
It is weird, because any woman I know who plays games wants to play a pretty girl. Its not just some "male fantasy" thing.
Men like to be cool dudes in games, women like being pretty women. Its hardly a shocker.
Qunari have no "family units": they do not marry, choose partners, or even know to whom they are related. A father's role ends at conception, a mother's ends at birth.
Now Taash, the Qunari has mother to talk to.
Damn BioWare don't read their own lore.
@@friedrichjunzt just for laughs, someone should do a UA-cam video where they try to create male characters in DATV that are based on tough looking movie stars (eg Danny Trejo, Jason Statham or Charles Bronson etc), just to see how they turn out.....!
@@regiszeitlos970 Their excuse is that she's not Qunari, because she doesn't follow the Qun, so she's free of all the cultural obligations, standards and practices.
-They knew that the game was garbage compared to the previous ones.
-They knew that the dialog was atrocious.
-They knew that woke stuff was off putting and would harm sales.
But gaming companies have become hostages to their DEI employees and if they remove the woke stuff and correct the dialog these employees would revolt so they did whatever they can to save the game by giving a 4 hour of decent gameplay and putting the overly woke stuff later in the game. Which is a scam.
They are not hostage one second. They are FULL 100% participants. Because they take loans of Blarock, and Blackrock impose a list of 82 woke criteria in order to accept giving you the loan. Don't gullible/naive/in denial. It's a team effort by 3 parties 1- The company 2- The ones that finance the company 3- Main shareholders 4- The woke employees. EVERYONE is on it with the agenda. Only hostage are the extremely few hetero white and asian men working there, it's akin to prison time.
@@elchippe
Don’t forget they get investment money for DEI/ESG activity.
The suits up top don’t care about anything but their money and whatever pleases investors. If the company fails they’ll just move on and face no real repercussions.
Nah I disagree, take the DEI out, and you're left with a very bland meh game.
DEI is just a synonym for J. E.W.
Well they perfectly knew it would cause a problem, i have seen a video from a guy who was reading the agreement that reviewers had to sign and it was especially focused on the fact that they should not talk about anything woke, DEI or comparing to other games, they even gave them a list of sentences or words they had to include.
I could not believe what i was watching, this is a totally dishonest manipulation that is probably false advertisement and could cause a law suit.
So they realized that it was too late to change anything and they tried to minimize the damage, by giving codes mostly to little groups of LGBT players or journalists that are perfectly aware that a bad review would put them out of the list of reviewers for EA games.
I refunded at the 2h40m mark. As a Dragon Age fan i felt Veilguard was a slap in the face.. the entire retcon concerning the elven and qunari lore.. the lack of grim dark fantasy, very poor writing that seems meant for a 5th grade schoolkid... and as woman i felt utterly insulted at the lack of feminine customization.. the models are androgenous, buff & chiseled muscular..i cant even reproduce my natural shape in this game. Then i saw vids of the scene where the qunari companion questions if anyone enjoys being a woman.. its utterly mysogynist..rip Dragon Age, Rip BioWare
Yep, glad to see another woman who felt the same way! I've been complaining in a couple of channels about the scene with Isabella saying her nonbinary crewmember looked 'better than her' in a dress. They just did that to put women down and lift themselves up. And changing her body shape (& Morrigan's to look less feminine).
Apparently there's another scene with a transwoman, Maevaris, from the comics who appears & has to tell you she's trans and that it was an act of courage to show herself as a woman magister. Your Rook is forced to just go along with it and praise how brave she is. Not sure if it's true because I haven't bothered to watch a full playthrough.
Plus they ruined Morrigan's character. Making no mention of her son (yet making her so much nicer even though he was largely responsible for why she softened up from Origins to Inquisition??) and giving her the fate she feared the most in Origins. Taash's mother is portrayed as a 'Karen'. It's all just insulting.
Sadly, you'd both be derided as TERFs on the DragonAge subreddit
People seriously need to start learning to NOT buy these games! Just don't buy them, you don't need to try it out to know it's shit. If you buy it and then complain you are giving money to them and they are winning. Just fucking boycott these woke games if you want the gaming industry to get better at SOME point!
Sounds like common sense, right? Waaaaaay too many people are completely lacking that today.
I've learned to wait a couple months when it comes to big releases to avoid making mistakes like buying this trash.
@@SkiesTurnedGrey You speak the truth.
Why. Most of the TV shows and moves I loved when I was a kid, and many of the video games would have people whining they were woke if they came out now. Star Trek the original Star Wars movies, Babylon 5, either Battlestar Galactica, Terminator 2, most fighting games, the majority of RPGs released in the 90s or later and some from the 80s would have extremists screaming woke if they came out today including the entire Dragon Age series and all of the Mass Effect games
People are addicts, whether it's addicts to certain IPs, shopping addicts (which often gets disguised as being a "collector"), etc.
Bioware deserves to go out of business for doing this.
I just hope this kind of stuff speeds up the downfall of the current AAA climate. Because it needs to burn, it needs to be purged, and like Ragnaros said ''by fire, be purged.''
Agreed.
Here here! I'm fed up with the tragic state of the video game industry. I started developing my own games solo. Everyone join me and let's bring back actual gaming! Fun, creativity, innovation.
funny that one of the DEI hire said exactly that
Agreed
I am too old. Drown in butt-water is no longer the legitimate reply to perv-squad brainwashing & `the message´ hidden in video games? My bad. 🤣
As a lesbian, I find that this game feels almost like a dismissal of the LGBTQ+ community. Honestly, I don’t identify strongly with the community beyond my own orientation, but that doesn’t mean representation isn’t important. What I personally want to see are well-developed, attractive female characters, and I don’t find that offensive or superficial at all.
The storyline about Taash grappling with a nonbinary identity feels out of place in a medieval setting, even if it’s within a fantasy world. Gender identity, as we understand it today, is largely rooted in postmodern ideas that explore and deconstruct identity, culture, and societal norms. But in the historical Middle Ages, women who pursued unconventional roles-like becoming knights or warriors-weren’t necessarily driven by a desire to challenge or redefine gender itself. They often wanted to fight for their land, their faith, or personal beliefs, without viewing their roles in terms of modern gender identity.
Given the Qunari’s rigid cultural structure and beliefs about gender roles, it would feel more natural for a female character simply to want to be a warrior, seeking acceptance within her society’s frameworks. This would allow for a strong female character without projecting postmodern ideas into a world where they might not feel authentic.
@@akiraaoi18 this. It doesn't fit the environment, and it's frankly erasing the struggles women go through due to sexism, especially in the past. You can even pick it apart in Taash' wish - she really hates dresses. Why? They're inconvenient for a warrior. But she comes to the conclusion that it must be her that is wrong, and not society?
EXACTLY. It is so cringe, it is arguably even homophobic.
These are deranged individuals. Believing you can change your sex is not the same as being attracted to same sex individuals.
This isn't just an issue in the creative world. I went for a job at a University, I didn't get it even with over a decade of experience in a similar role, and years of experience in other roles that would have been a huge benefit for the University. I was told I didn't get the role as I didn't have enough experience, which I knew was a lie. Little did they know that I knew people that already worked there and the person that got the job over me was a 19 year old female with exactly ZERO years of experience and in fact, this was going to be her first ever job.
I knew in the interview that the lead female interviewer didn't like me from the start. She was in a role that made no sense to me as she had ZERO experience in the field and when I checked her work history profile, she had worked in numerous low level admin roles and was a sales person in a mobile phone shop and now she was the National Director of this particular field at the University. WTF.
I have a friend who is a white male straight psychologist. He was tipped off by multiple hiring agents that he won’t get a job because of that.
You NEED to sue.... Seriously.
Someone needs to be willing to hold these psychos accountable....
You dodged a bullet. Imagine having these people as your coworkers...
Bro, I tried to get a job at my local McDonald's. Just a 2nd job for extra cash.
The...person...that interviewed me was wildly trans. Had a They/Them nametag. Looked like a dude dressed as a chick. No other way to describe it.
I'm a straight white male with 15 years of experience in the food service industry.
Do you think I got the job? At MCDONALD'S?
Sounds like you could sue for discrimination.
You even have solid proof. You were denied for lack of experience, but then were replaced with someone without any experience.
At least you would get some money, and make the persons life who did this to you a nightmare for years to come - until the case is solved.
Good chance she would get booted out herself in the end!
Everyone involved in making this dumpster fire should take a barve for insulting gamers.
We should have gotten the elden ring treatment massive world good writing making it grim dark because of what's at stake and no propaganda bs no modern lingo it's a medieval world not 2024 hell look at origins darkspawn and how much they have been changed
Honestly amazing to me how anyone could ever consider giving it a 7/10 in the first place especially when they say stuff like "it's not great, not terrible" and then give it anything above a 5/10.
@ChannelHandlePending I think people forget that in a rating of 1-10, 5 is average yet it seems instead that people view 5 as basically a 1 and it starts from there. Even when people rate attractiveness, a 5 is viewed as deeply offensive
7 is unfortunately used in game reviews to mean a 5 by most people.
Dragon Age The Veilguard was my last hope in terms of western made video games, now im so disgusted by western "entertainment" that I consider the western video game industry to be utterly dead. From now on I will only be buying non western made video games, the west can rot.
DEI - Divison, Exclusion, Indoctrination.
Careful now, I wouldn't want you to buy the good Western video games. It's an industry problem that is pushed by investors and not game devs as a whole.
You better check out Exodus: The Traveler.
Made by the Old heads from DA & Mass Effect
They've made their own company.
@@LordFoxxyFoxington bad take
@@RealJohnnyGuillotine And how much hope should I have that it wont be butchered like every other western game?
@@Joegengstah Doubt it.
All they did was make somebody’s dragon age fanfiction a reality. I am so horrified at how they gutted the long-standing plot of the Dragon age universe. BioWare has lost me permanently as a consumer and long time DA fan. Why does it seem that this particular group of people hate those of which they want to look like or be? Are they jealous of people like myself who were assigned female at birth?
I literally got so bored playing Veilguard, I stopped playing to do some challenges on Dead by Daylight instead. After that, I couldn’t force myself to go back to it, instead playing Pathfinder Wraith of the Righteous, which I now appreciate so much more after this.
@@sgt2x41 I'm playing rogue trader since pathfinder kicked mi aaass
Pull a refund.
Im a Rpg junky if you can create a character i will pretty much finish the game..... I have been dragging my feet 10... 20 minutes its so hard to get into..
@@sethtone8634 the idea is to have fun friend not feeling like an obligation
@@sgt2x41 Hell yeah. I love Owlcat studios. Been a fan since Kingmaker. I was also a fan of Dragon Age since Origins. But hopefully that isn't relevant in the future.
I think the thing that is pissing me off with bioware when it comes to these gender politics is 90 maybt 85% of the playerbase and DA fans wouldnt be bothered about it if it was done tastefully. Its the distastful and forced pushing that is why its getting so critiqued.
It used to be done tastefully. In previous Dragon Age games, there was LGBTQ+ content that wasn't forced into your face. Today's incompetent developers and directors lack nuance and subtly and are complete hacks.
Me and my friends used to make jokes about some of the not-straight romances in ME. To the point of trying those routes, having a gay Sheppard and having fun overall with the role playing possibilities for the character.
It’s like the writers were aware it’s all a bit silly in the end anyway, so just have fun whomever you want to play as.
This new DA just feels weird and preachy, we don’t want to play it at all
They also didn't use these modern terms like non binary and trans. Iron bull was like Krem is krem and you knew what that meant.😂
I want my games to be MORE similar to real life: I never run into transtards and only rarely run into homo. I NEVER run into pronouns or pronoun people, and if I did, I would refuse to play along. Games need to be more like that REAL LIFE.
@@jaydenfisher7917 that is very true. The way Krems dialogue went is actually a very good example of how bioware handled it in the past. But the way it is today is just insanity.
What made Bioware great was the people. Those people are long gone. All you have now is a reputation that they built. Any misguided loyalty (fanboyism) should have ended a long time ago.
Bioware needs to take a Firewalk.
Oh, Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a song about that! 🤩
It's funny they claim the game is a success with 90k concurrent players over the weekend. When you have game like Wukong that reached 2.3 millions, Cyberpunk 2077 with over 1 million, Elden Ring at 950k, Baldur's Gate 875k. 90k is not a success it's a HUGE failure.
Diversity over skill, from the company that made Baldur's Gate, what a shame.
"If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
I was just ranting to my dad about veilguard
and by the end of the rant I realised what actually annoyed me so much about the game
nothing was wrong with DEI in the first one, in fact, it was more diverse, more inclusive
and the conversations
and the message behind them
were deeper
Sven
a qunari
terrifying to people
and set in their ways
is saved by a female warden
and vows to protect her and fight the darkspawn
he learns that she fights too
she isn't just political
she isn't just a leader
and he doesn't understand this
so he confronts her
over and over again
I played a female warden with sven in my first playthrough
and he confronts you on many decisions
he doesn't believe women should (can) fight
and he doesn't agree with tactical decisions you make because you are a woman
and you can call him on it
you can confront him on his beliefs
you can make him question them
and he doesn't just go
well you're the exception i guess
he really tries to understand why and how
you came to be
that is diversity and inclusion
that is the message
that is the talk
that was me
at idk
14 years old
genuinely having my first talk about misogyny
expressing my actual opinions on it
and talking to someone on the other side of that wall
understanding why he feels that way
his culture his religion
without even seeing any of that
this game would take that opportunity
that was so amazing for me growing up
and replace it with a colourful bi sexual non gendered qunari
that makes no lore sense
because they can
if everyone here
is gay
or bi
where does the conversation happen
what is the message
we're here deal with it?
really?
that's the message?
in dragon age origins you could straight up not have a companion
in several play throughs I didn't take zevran
at first because I didn't trust him
Then because I found him to be too sexual and forward when I was younger
I found that uncomfortable
and he taught me that
but when taking him as a companion
you learn about all the trauma behind it
the lack of any real solid foundation that makes him throw himself around hoping to connect to something
not every "zevran" is like that, but some are, zevran was and he helped me understand those people
and after that I never didn't take him
but by taking away a players agency and just forcing them to have and deal with every companion and their problems
you take away their care
they aren't going to be invested in your game enough to learn why zevran is the way he is or to confront sven on his beliefs
if you force them
it lost the beauty of dragon age origins because it lost the conversation
it lost the players opinion
it lost the depth to the character
it lost the actual darkness, the real trauma
Another example of this is blood mages, the first time you hear of them blood mages suck, they are terrible people, you assume they're evil because everyone says they are, but then seeing them in the tower on your return there you are confronted with the reality, they're forced towards it, desperate, scared & with literally nothing else to turn to.
Another example of this is player agency, your class and even your subclass, your race, your gender, all of this plays a part in your story, as a human noble you can take the throne, marry into it, you have more persuasion politically. as a blood mage you can perform blood magic for narrative solutions, as a mage you can enter the fade. as an elf you receive less hostility from other elves and politically you are looked down on. You are made to be a real character and you are made to live with the pros and cons of you decisions and those are written in such a way that you feel for people that suffer from these disadvantages and you appreciate advantages that you do have in life.
So if what the inside informer said is correct, the solution is to not only not buy Dragon Age, but not buy any product with the Bioware label until EA disbands the studio.
That happened after Mass Effect 3 in 2012 (Bioware is hardly a stranger to this), Andromedas failure is usually attributed to the bugs, but truth is it failed long before those became known, it's pre-sales were in the toilet compared to ME3 as the fans remembered, the fact it was a glitchy undercooked mess was just the cherry on top. Anthem failed for the same reason, the fanbase had gone, but Bioware had the money from Star Wars: The Old Republic to keep them going and it did, with the Mass Effect remasters they got in a newer audience untainted by the events of 2012 who only knew the controversy by 2nd hand articles. But it's was a fragile recovery the newer fanbase isn't as big and with gamers increasingly wary of woke themes this game needed to do well to bring in a bigger audience, it's doing meh at best and the Guard will be up for a new Mass Effect game and unlike Dragon Age, whose core audience wanted the game to succeed, Mass Effects original core audience wants nothing more than to see Bioware burn...
I'll do you one better and say that any EA product should not be bought, that company got away with way too much
According to Gamalytic, the game sold 480k copies and made about 26 mil dollars gross. That's really low considering the game's budget is in the hundreds of millions and the honeymoon is over.
Is that before or after the over 250k refunds?
GOOD. -- They tryna make this game look like their best release because it beat their ATH on Steam.
BECAUSE all their other titles never launched on Steam before, until after like 5-10 years, but I bet if they released a remastered version of Origins or whatever, it'd have gotten way higher numbers than Veilguard did.
@@ferrievanvliet8043 DA:I was rereleased 6y after launch in 2020. DA:O you "could" link to Steam but was released 2009, before BW was sold to EA and mostly the Games were sold as Disks because 23 GB DL in 2009 was not so much fun, so not many used Steam like today. So the Statement with "most sold BW Game on Steam ever" may correct but thats misleading and they know it. ^^
480k people that have the freedom to vote xD
It’s always funny how people are hesitant to rate bad games lower than a 6 or 5 out of 10. Why though? Veilguard has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and is easily a 4 or 3 out of 10. No one is missing out by not buying this sorry excuse for a video game.
I gave it a 3
I will say the environments look really, really good.
The rest of it is a turd.
I'd give it a 9 one of the best games I've played this year
@SkiesTurnedGrey have you played it?
@@TomsTech94 The games fucking dogshit, it's a 1
This is why BioWare does not get my business anymore I just want to play a good game without trying to shove any ideas in my face
I knew this back in 2012 where Bioware wrote the book on gaslighting the gaming community with the shitty ending of ME3. Glad everyone else is catching up now.
Mine was Andromeda I didn't even finish to play that game
The ending wasnt even the worse part of ME3 for me (and that shitty writing was already present back when they released arrival for ME2), it was how they ruined the geth and basically retconned what we see in ME2
I collect steelbooks, so i bought Anthem for 20 bucks or so. The story was diarrhea incarnate but the gameplay was good because you can easily watch UA-cam on another screen. This abomination naw pass.
better late than never.
I was there for it all in 2012, the Re:Take movement, the cupcakes, the fan attacks, the patronising statements telling gamers what they really wanted, the lies the access media dog pile, Yatzhee's sell out article, the forum censorship all of it, I'm part of the 50% who never claimed their free Citadel DLC and the fact half the audience refused a free DLC is telling of how much anger there was.
People forget the betrayal it represented, till that point Bioware had been the fan company, excellent customer relations then they turned on a dime to protect Casey Hudsons ego. To this day, I'm angry about it, but we did learn one thing from it all, being nice and reasonable doesn't work, trying to work with developers and give constructive feedback doesn't work. Now we know what does, backlash, sales impacts, and negative steam reviews and gamers are more than happy to play that game!!
I know no one will believe me but they used the 30k keys that they can give for free to boost the numbers for steam.. And just saying they partnered with gfn subscription so they can run multiple windows for running the game for free.
I know its a tinfoile hat theory however I was saying this 2 weeks before . And the player count never goes down below 30k. Is this a huge coincidence maybe. But the amount of journalists that got payed to do 10/10 game review is also just a coincidence.
At this point in time thoughts like that don't fall under the "Tinfoil Hat" denominator anymore. They fall under the "Perfectly Reasonable" category. Dishonesty is the keyword here. They can't be trusted to speak the truth - see the "Highest ranking Dragon Age on Steam" - so who says they won't stoop so low as to pull of something like this?
I believe it because look at the critic reviews, they damaged controlled this the best they could.
I kinda hope that's true, means they'll lose even more money. Dragon's Dogma sold 2.3mil copies in 11 days for 233k simultaneous players, meaning Veilguard probably didn't even sell a million copies and they probably need over 2.5mil to start making money on this garbage. 30k fake copies means they're also losing another 2.1mil on top of that.
@SeaRaven227 to be honest I think lot of games doing this. One way or another. But in this case they don't gived out those keys for reviewing. Instead they are doing something really weird.
@@zoltanschweifer4304 Sounds credible to me. They lied about the game before it launched to sell it 🤷♂️
Combat can't even touch The Witcher! Feilguards combat is 3/10 amateurish repetition!
Wow, that is saying something as the Witcher's combat is awful.
I made my peace with Bioware after Andromeda and Anthem's abysmal failures. Now I'm just enjoying the ship sinking:)
If your core gaming loop constantly closes, your game will not be fun, people are experiencing this and stopping the game. The loop needs to reward and I hear a lot of people saying this game feels rewardless.
It's way too obvious that this game was marketed for the woke community. I have no problem with LGBTQ in games. But when you have what I call "zippertits" and preferred pronouns I just can't. It starts to go into gender politics. Some of the cut scenes feel very much like a middle school class being taught how to act correctly. Feels nothing like an RPG and certainly not like what Dragon Age is supposed to be. It was geared towards people that wanted an adventure game that wouldn't offend anyone.
@@WolfsBlood44 right, this game footage is giving me the level of cringe I felt when everyone in my college class was forced to fill out a written statement declaring that they’re not a racist. They did it, they solved racism.
I have no problem with LGBT people existing in games and minding their business as long as it matches the world building and is not done in a cringe way. I have nothing against lesbian couple in BG3 for example, because they were well established as characters and do not lecture me on their sexuality. Trans scars and modern gender studies lingo in Dragon Age? Hell no.
If you skip through all the dialogueThe game is a solid 5. If you sit through the dialogue, a solid -1
The game was made for the devs of course
Behold! A game that was given the funding, time, and effort to include identity politics at every level of production and execution. Here is your product! Consume it, buy it, play it, support it... oh wait
I think this game suffers from what a lot of recent releases do. If you base hiring practices and design decisions on DEI, and not who is or what would be best for the game, we end up with products like this. We need to go back to the era when talent and skill meant much more than DEI for hiring practices.
Outlaws was woke but oh boy, Veilguard is fighting toe to toe with Dustborn on who is the wokest of them all.
The enviroment sounds like what blizzard had over like 15 years ago but in reverse.
I think the reason why we aren't getting anywhere with the conversation is because like most issues in society, we are not looking past the divisive outer shell to get to the real issue.
Dei isn't the issue. It's the world view that these hires have base on their experience in the world. Their inspirations, their beliefs...it's going to lead to what the majority of us would consider cringe content.
They have spent their life time avoiding real world physical conflicts, which does not give them the experience to design conflicts and battle. They spent their life resisting our global establishments and cultures, which includes classical content that all other designers learn from. That classical basis gives them the blueprint to write something like a Balders Gate 3.
So I would posit that we stop using the moniker of DEI, and start asking that the new game designers be trained on how to create a product that reflects the real world landscape of the audience.
i like your phrasing.
Nearing the end of the game and I have to say this. If there is one thing that characterizes this game it's the bumpiness.
There are good companions, some really good but the rest are plain bad.
There are good dialogues and then there are those that make you grind your teeth.
There are extremely fun fights but they are few and far between.
There are some beautiful locations (looking at Deep Roads) but the rest is mediocre, just upscaled Inquisition.
There are some nice tracks but most of the music is abhorrent and completely unsuited to Dragon Age.
There are some decisions but most don't matter.
If you played earlier games then you continuously see that the game forcibly steers you from some places because it would have to account for decisions from earlier games.
Some decisions are outright ignored (you remember that there is an option to romance Harding in Inquisition? It's missing here.)
Looking more analytically i found that much of the conversations would work much much better and with less exposition dumpy feeling if we were given more decisions FROM existing dialogue. It is incredible how often two or three sentences could be cut from a monologue and put in as different decisions.
It's overall your typical modern dialogue too much said too little left to ponder.
And finally the pacing. Somehow after the first few hours the quality of writing goes up for the whole middle part of the game only to plummet after recruiting Taash (coincidence?)
They make Rook like a little girl. Oh Verick I just can't do this without you waaaaaa waaaaaa and Harding with the pity party that the gods got out.....maybe it's just me but I found myself just annoyed at the constant crying😂 I dunno if I can finish it of the dialog gets worse.
They have a thing with making females look like preteens. Seems to fit their PDF attitudes.
How are they sleeping in the fade?
I can see this being true and in more than just a situational way. 10 years for an on-rails soulslike with the narrative complexity of a middle school lunch table and an art style seemingly auto-generated with a Pixar filter is pathetic.
Judging by the dialogues in this game, the writers that made "Mass Effect Trilogy" a legendary game are long gone. That game had its own problems but despite of all its shortcomings, it was one of the most interesting adventures I've had in a game, I couldn't stop playing. This one I can't even start.
7/10 lmao. You're part of the problem.
So what you're telling me is we get rid of the frat House mentality of Blizzard and other game studios just to get this new type of frat house
From the frat-house to the bath-house
when you let a freak sit on position to hire more people in your HR, congratulation you will have alot of DEI hire rather than a talent
I had predicted that Failguard would reach 100K during the weekend and then fall off from there, but it seems things are even worse than i thought lol
Played for 30 min and deleted = dog sh
Can you really call it a game if it is a labor to play and not fun? I lean heavily toward "hell no."
I doubt I'll even be able to watch any playthroughs all the way.
About the random change in direction of a conversation. This has always been a thing in RPG's but it was largely controlled by the player through dialogue options so it didnt feel so out of nowhere.
Dragonage is one of those games where people want it to rise or fall based on their political views. Anti-woke gamers hate it, woke games love it with NO deviation. That uniformity in opinion is something I can’t trust
I am making my assistant play this game as a punishment. His attitude lately sucks, so I am making him do a total play through. The game is such garbage. Him swearing and losing his s-t constantly is hilarious. He doesn't know it is punishment, he just thinks things are slow. They aren't I just wanted him to suffer and humble him.
Easy solution don't buy/play any games by EA, I started doing this year's ago and have no regrets
The DEI stuff is so Offensive, as are the conversations, no way to tell the npcs to FO with their trash ... Have the npcs read the script.
i gave it a shot, spent an hour in character creation and after another hour i thought maybe ill change classes, and after 3.5 hours total steam wouldnt give me a refund.
I think the whole point of this particular character creation is to keep people just long enough to prevent them getting a refund.
@@zxyatiywariii8 makes absolutely sense considering that the first hour of the game is also not that bad.
thinking that the game maybe could turn into something half decent only to be completely butchered past the 2 hour mark.
I don't see anyone talking about it but... wtf are those animations and the horrible lipsync...? I mean I remember NPCs in the witcher 3 with more believable animations and life to their faces than whatever I saw from veilguard so far. That is just so fucking shameful man, how is that even a thing? In 2024????
I really want it to eventually get to the part when they explain the veil between dimensions. I want there to be a part where you can side with destroying the veil and freeing the elves. Everything else doesn't matter. You don't need to sell me on new characters, their families, their lovers, their personal lives, nothing. It's about the veil that separates every dimension and maybe freeing the gods of old.
That's what I was looking to see, but I get nothing. I'll save my money.
Devs should not only apologize, they owe us some pushups too
Excellent video and very well spoken.
I got bored with the combat early on and ended up taking the advice given by a few reviewers of just turning the difficulty down to get it out of the way. I don't find the story terrible at the moment but it's very much not a return to form for Bioware.
I wonder what would count as 'false advertising' in a legal sense in this specific case.
Morally it is. An unapologetic bait and switch cash grab imho.
"he's a dude that thinks he's a woman" = instant subscribe
I'm spamming a similar message to all UA-camrs for a third day now. I always create different characters in RPG and roleplay them, In my first gameplay i created a Dwarf Female Warrior protagonist, and the interactions between her and the rest of the girls are totally different than what I see in the videos. Only the Male protagonist starts stupid dialogs! The game is still boring rpg wannabe but is a lot less cringy!
Please do look into this, it's blatant misandry.
9:18 Gamers, gamers never change.
Wait one week after release?
Watch streamer reviews before buying?
No, we'll buy a pig in a poke and sponsor crazy entertainment world destroyers.
This is not the gaming industry we need, but it is the one we deserve.
Any time a company withholds review codes, that should ALWAYS be a HUGE red flag....
for me i gave up after some youtuber said the fun starts 90% when its almost done. that just broke me, because now it feels like it would be chore 10% fun or excitement is not worth it. not when i know that 90% is going to more lecturing and being talked down to. i did like how good it plays though, but gameplay is outbalanced by all the other stuff i dont care for.
“Act of fraud” is spot on these leeches thought it would be worth their time to pay people to implement their own selfish agenda and opinions into a game that IS A FANTASY. We are lucky UA-cam exists to keep us wary of this garbage practice and soon too will BioWare feel the wrath of the consumer. Bunch of people with the intent to make a great game thrown out for the sake of your “inclusion”. Truly pathetic practices these studios get away with and it’s as disrespectful as it gets.
Hey bro are you from South Africa? I used to live in Cape Town as a kid. Loved it there
Cape Town indeed bro
So the issue appears to the writing, so sacking the writers and getting those who know how to write should resolve this, right?
Mascara on men is a pre-set. You have to manually remove if thats not your thing.
Same reason why I left my fintech job by a certain Swedish company.
While i dont think its as bad as people make it out to be....the Dialog above all else was just ...annoying even painful...after 5 hrs i was so annoyed with my companions repeating the "dire situation"...i just stopped...and the combat is so basic, that no its nothing worth everything else
The direction of the story going nowhere. First your character fighting in a bar then later you tried to stop Solas ritual then the next minutes, You need to stop the god and their cult, You also need to take care of your companion like a baby, Meet other forgettable side character that keep reminding you of the god then you go back to listen to your companion Agenda and Their need.
Seriously even Call of Duty got a better direction and story than this.
lmao! 🤣 Thanks! I needed this laugh.
In a business conversations like that in the workplace are a violation of most company policies if true. Respect for the individual.
hears accent, sees Q20 on shelf. Yeeeah Saffa spotted! Keep up the uploads!
Great honesty my man,Glad i subscribed.WE need Honest Reviewers like you Who Arent Affraid to voice there opinion like WAB.Full respect 👍
I have a contact at Bioware whos leaving at the end of January (already resigned - so are twenty four others so I'm not confirming who he is with that.), hes sharing some seriously worrying details about Mass Effect (if true) I see the end of Bioware as they cant alienate massive portions of their two main IP's.
I'd love to talk to him, if he's up for it.
I'd just sue for sexual harrassment and bypass HR directly.
Them knowing in advance that their course of action would make the game worse for many fans makes this so much worse.
This and the - very obvious - campaign they ran with so many gaming articles singing the praises of the game as a "return to form for Bioware" and stating stuff like the Veilguard being better than Baldur's Gate 3 just shows that EA and any that work under them are not to be trusted.
They're never seeing a cent from me ever again, at least.
Man, that story at the end about the job opening. That's so disrespectful it's insane! How could you not lose your shit if they do that to you? They're literally asking for it!
Dragon's Age Origins: 2 bi-sexual individuals. Dragon Age 2: pan-sexual individuals. Dragon Age, Inquisition: Bull, pan-sexual/BDSM, Krem- Transexual (Bull lost his eye protecting them) Dorian-Gay. Varrick- wrote erotica. The list goes on and on. Bioware/EA has never been afraid of controversy; they've been in the thick of it for years. The CEO and chairman of EA, is a -man- 'Andrew Wilson'. And Wilson has been CEO since 2013, so it is NOT a female or LGBTQ dominated business; it is an equal opportunity business. All of the Dragon Age games have had strong female characters. IE: Anora, Cassandra, Lilliana, Morrigan, Harding, Vivian. Bioware is not doing anything they haven't been doing for years; they've always been forward thinking. Our own history is full of pan-sexual individuals, gay and lesbian folks.(King James, King James version of the bible fame -circa1567- was in love with a man even while he was married to a woman; he wrote love letters to him often. King James had at least three romantic homosexual affairs that we know of. Yet, many folks go to church holding a bible and most have a bible in their home. Saying Veilguard is out of its historical era--then all of the Dragon Age games are. Romanticizing the medieval era as being different than folks are now, nope. Although, people had to be much more careful than today, not everyone wore a crown. Only problem that I see, is that EA/Bioware shouldn't have released the game around the time of the election; the temperature of the masses is just to volatile on certain subjects.
I’d like to see the combat in a vacuum with something like a rogue-lite aspect. The linearity of the levels and combat could be fun, but I agree that the too few options make it tedious. More options and strategy would make the bulk of fights way more palatable without needing a full overhaul.
I'm actually more amazed people bought this on launch. I can understand being a nostalgic DA fan and wanting SOME conclusion, but buying this on day one and not on an insanely deep sale for like 5 bucks is just insanity.
The previous games did something very subtle that this one doesn't. Conversations stay on topic with the main story unless you ask them about something else.
The point is, no adult wants to be lectured in a game that they buy purely for entertainment. Same goes for movies.
Beautiful point and constructive criticism. We need more like you.
Imagine if someone took a poop in their pants and then just walked around all day.
Let it dry.
Pretended it didn't exist that's what it's like to play this game
What’s annoying is that people bought the game anyway. Well done. Now we will get more trash games.
They'll get shut down eventually.
There was NO WAY a major game company did not have a clue it was bad
the way to change this is by not buying games at release and that starts by not getting hyped for every pushed title like a teenage boy in a stripclub
If I walked into the shop and started talking about sex stuff, I'd be in the HR office and then fired..
Started playing Origins. It’s amazing how mature the Game is right from the get go. The world is absolutly brutal, full of moral dilemmas. Nothing has to do with the gender or skintone of the characters. There are women and „minorities“ everywhere, but It’s just…. Normal. You Focus on the in Game Problems, nothing reminds you of the real world. Western Media has fallen.
the thing is, I'm fairly positive David Gaider is gay. like he talked about it and how he brought his own experiences to writing Dorian in Inquisition, and that he hesitated to make Dorian exclusively gay in the first place because he didn't want "being gay" to be Dorian's entire character. and as a result, Dorian has one of the most sensitively written, and well done character stories of any bioware character ever. so if he got pushed out, it's not because of his sexuality, it's because he's a damn good writer and likely couldn't keep his mouth shut that the shit the other writers were churning out WAS shit and should be treated as such.
This plays decent but definitely not a dragon age game and so is dragon age inquisition, plus I noticed they got worse with the dialogue feeling like saying the obvious or shitty jokes or forced politics, what a terrible combination
I like this review. It wasn’t just pitchforks out and screw the DEI or this or that. It was actually informative and your reasons for not liking it well explained. I have seen enough reviews at this point to make my own decision and don’t think I’ll be buying it. Not only the forced agenda things, but the story seems to be all over the place and the dialogue seems to not be up to what we’ve been spoiled with the last few years.
It's not Bioware! Their hands are tied. They are only developers, they dance as publisher play their tunes! Publishers are also under enormous pressure. You know...
Purple is the color for bi-sexuality. In case you’re wondering what that’s all about.
Think about it. Blue and pink would make purple.
These people are operating on a level deeper than most realize.
I definitely agree that the game was based on an intentional ruse, and that even so the first few hours intended to lure people in were noticeably shyte.
Yes, after Gaider dropped out due to their insistence on a depraved Anthem turn for Bioware, then Anthem failed and they had to pivot back to a single-player RPG after their live service DA plans fell through... they discovered that they had no talent left. So what did they do? Beg Gaider to come back? No. Go out of their way to find intelligent writers who can due DA justice? No. They just said fuck it and plunged into their "vision" of creating an anti-cis trans-simulation fantasy game- though not a dark or high fantasy, just a fantasy. So for the rest of the decade since Inquisition they've been pushing the politicization of their workforce. But, despite their increasingly self-crippling echo chamber and clearly thinking they've earned some sort of political kudos for "championing" this shyte representation of trans, they still knew their shyte was shyte, and they knew the majority of DA's players were not only not trans but would notice the shyte quality. So the ruse became a thing.
But it was EA that pushed this, EA that hired the trans director for a purpose, EA that wanted this shyte trans representation. It was a corporate pivot. So I have to wonder if it's just "being woke"/virtue-signaling on EA's part or if it's something more sinister like just giving a middle finger to players who didn't like their Anthem shyte and live service greed, or even sewing hatred for trans by making a very hateable, insufferable trans character the central feature of a DA game to sew divisiveness in the world. It certainly wasn't a good move for maximizing profits.