WW2 TIGER 1 VS ABRAMS - CHALLENGE! - How Many Does It Take? - WAR THUNDER
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WW2 SHERMANS VS ABRAMS - CHALLENGE! - How many WW2 M4A1 does it take to Win? - WAR THUNDER
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abrams vs tiger is like bringing a shotgun to a fist fight
More like bringing a rifle and body armor to a shotgun fight.
The tiger catches the shot and trows it back xd
@@bentrod3405 more like bringing a machine gun and a juggernaut armor to a fist fight
@@imamonke309 nah, because the tigers can still do plenty of damage if you expose yourself or let them get too close like a shotgun
or like tiger vs sherman
You guys should do some sort of Desert Storm scenario with an Abrams vs a few T-55s, T-62s, and one T-72A
The Abraham’s would be annihilated not because it’s a bad tank but because having a GPS in your tank makes it god tier compared to those that don’t
*Abrams
@@kaiozanette7787 it
It has gps the Russian ones don't
Every tank in war thunder has gps
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 He's talking about seeing teammates and struck enemies on a minimap.
Considering the Abrams can far outrange the Tiger, don't think it'd even be that close. I remember a guy who was in Desert Storm talking about how they were watching shells from the T-62/T-72s facing them falling short and then firing back with plenty of range and killing the Iraqi tanks.
Fin stabilization. Only thing missing on tank shells nowadays is a gps and a rocket engine.
Keep in mind that these are video game tanks which differ greatly from the real thing. In real life, the Tigers would have to stop dead still in order to fire their guns with any accuracy while the Abrams has the enormous advantage of being able to fire on the move.
@@Zandonus you mean missing on western tanks? 😁
@@Zandonus The Russians added rockets to their tank shells just to try and match the M1s range 🤣
But don't make those Russian tanks mad... they will blow their top 🤣🤣🤣
its a shame a lot of people dont do these sort of custom game scenarios. would really appreciate and watch more of these
Same.
Luckily these videos get tons of views, so at some point someone’s gonna start “taking inspiration”
Speaking of which, how do I even do these types of matches?
I think it's mostly because not many people can just call in a bunch of people to participate in custom matches like these
There are usually a couple dozen custom games running at anyone time and it often looks like its organized, like a dozen ppl from the same squadron etc. I often do custom games with my son when we just want to mess around playing hide n' seek or scout new maps.
Just because you aren't aware of an event or club having private games doesn't mean they aren't there.
how unrealistic that an Abrams could even dream of penetrating the glorious Krupstahl that is the tiger tank. and there is no way that a tiger tank cannot penetrate the Abrams turret at any range up to 5000 meters, totally unrealistic.
Edit: this is probably my most liked comment yet lol.
Joke I hope?
@@theuselessteammate2097 Very real bro
@@theuselessteammate2097 bro it is obviously not a joke
You know it's a video game.
@@theuselessteammate2097 no, i firmly believe that the tiger tank should just absorb the puny Capitalist Sabot that only has 600mm of penetration without any consequences. 😁
and as for the tiger tank penetrating the Abrams, it doesnt matter that the only Abrams tank lost was to friendly fire (i think, idk please correct me if im wrong) the ww2 88mm cannon should be more than enough to penetrate 300mm of sloped depleted Uranium.
I've said it before and I'll say it again these challenge videos are ABSOLUTE BANGERS!! we all appreciate the hard work that goes into all this. Thank you for the great content!
Tiger 1: Bullies Shermans
Abrams: Hold my beer (Time travels)
WT is fun as hell but the damage mechanics are often ludicrous and in no way match what out-of-game Protection Analysis, or just basic reasoning, tells you; the 120mm throwing APFSDS should have no problem causing enough spalling that any cabin hit would knock out pretty much any tank, buuuut in-game things will just absorb and ricochet those massive, incredibly fast, incredibly dense darts.
I mean this is a game where the BMP-1 will bounce or soak APFSDS from the front and where SPAA HE spam will ammorack just about anything.
I was surprised the game lets him repair a destroyed barrel in the last battle. so what they just bring a spare with them and do hours worth of repair work in less than a minute.
@@ryry187 its a game not real so they allow repairs in reality abrams would use it superior mobility to run away if the gun is damaged
Frankly, I think the Abrams are hard nerfed for this fight from the loss of hunter-killer ability alone. The ability of the commander to find, designate, and range targets independently of the gunner engaging them is a huge advantage over the tigers.
abrams use illegal DU rows . American go to jail used DU .
They're hard nerfed bc it's a video game. Tiger tanks couldn't even aim fast enough to keep up with Abrams tank movements irl.
@@tombaily29Even if they would move the hull at the same time?
Correction for myself: Tigers don't get smoke shells!
Also HEATFS may have actually worked better against the Tigers!
I was thinking that too..the heat rounds. Especially when they got close!
Do the tigers even get access to smoke shells?
@@thek.g.b301 you are correct, they don't! Misremembered, so edited to correct myself!
@@OldDeadMan huh I remember seeing a tiger pop a smoke shell
@@reentrysfs6317 Smoke grenades, yes. Smoke shells, no. There are none in the tech tree vehicles unless I totally blew it when I looked earlier! 🤣
The abrams would simply retreat out of reasonable range for the tiger and pick them off one by one, the speed and range advantage would allow the abrams to choose the battlefield
This is a great video. Can you try A-10 with unguided weapons vs WW2 SPAA? This would be cool.
I'm up for the challenge in an Ostwind 2, but map choice changes everything.
@@efethecaptain6 time to put in use that KugelBlitz
Kugel and Corelian eats A-10 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
@@carstenrenekjrulff6272 well yes if it's gonna use only MG
How about that rank one British that is like 1.0 with only (4) LMG(s) SPAA?
I think an interesting test would be one Abrams vs 7-10 Tigers, but have the Abrams hunt the tigers which are in defensive positions.
Yeah, this video kinda forgets that defenders have an easier time defeating their enemies.
@@somenorwegiankid7587 Yep and he clearly cherry picked his spot on the map. Make it a level battlefield and I bet the results are different
@@Bpwebber Yeah they probably would be.
@@Bpwebber the results would be different, tiger fanboy. I dont care how many tigers you put up. Irl the abrams would be too fast, too capable and would smoke the tigers 3 kilometres away before they could swing their turrets to see who hit them. Yeah i know this a game where some semblance of realism is there, but it wouldnt be that close if the abrams really tried
@@juliuscaesar564well well well...an Abrams fanboy is here too!
18:05 superior german machigun port working 100%
LEL
VERY SSUUPPEERRIIOOUURR ARMOE
You can fire DM53 at that baby and it wouldn't leave a scratch 😎
This is like Deadliest Warrior but with tanks, but could you imagine Ww2 if the US had Abrams, the Germans would probably be in absolute panic when they realized they lost their tiger from a shot that came from 3000 meters away and have no clue what it was. And when they see an Abrams and it's armor and manoeuvrability they realized they've been out engineered.
the modern Main Battle Tanks are the dream of WW2 Tankers.
Mobile like Light Tanks, Armored and Punching as a Heavy Tank, and only need as much crew as a Medium Tank.
You can also see that the other way around : if amrica had faced the Leopard 2A during ww2
@@dagemdrof1043 Well, there's still mobility kills in real life. It doesn't take 20 seconds to change a track. Once that's done, you point every artillery gun in the province at the unlucky bastards and watch the fireworks.
@@dagemdrof1043 our air power still would have thrashed them.
@@huntclanhunt9697 yeah sure the american air force with hellcats corsairs and mustangs against 109s 110s 190s....sure buddy. The only thing that stopped the germans was the germans themselves and hitlers own complacency trying to fight 3 fronts at once but hey dont let actual facts get in the way right 😝
Man this event was awsome lmao, can't believe I didn't die from the first 2 shots from the abrams during that first round (I was the only H1 during that match lol)
As someone who commanded one of these, the only thing the Tigers could do is a mobility kill to the powerpack from behind, as the M1 has no armor from behind, the powerpack is the armor from behind. Also, any of the kinetic energy penatrators, would sprall kill the crew of the tiger, so over pen is not a factor. The 88mm on the Tiger even with the apcr ammo type does not have the ability to penetrate the M-1's armor from any angle, you might as well be throwing rocks at the M-1. You might get a lucky hit to either or both of the gunners or commanders sights, , or even knock off a track, but you can't actually kill the M-1 with a Tiger.
I still can't believe how much this channel is growing well done Muffin!
Also, abrams can travel fast and hit all targets accurately and the tigers usually have to stop to accurately fire.
I think the Abrams vs some T34-85’s would be interesting as a few countries still used them after the Abrams was introduced irl
It would be way better with direct footage of the Abrams instead of the in-game replay
Yeah I agree and thanks for the feedback
Honestly for the abrams to be taken out, the Tigers would have to gang up on it and the Abrams be low on ammunition. But the Sabot round that an Abrams fires is more than enough to go through a Tiger’s armor.
It goes roughly 2,500 ft per second faster than the 88mm in the Tiger.
@@SvenTviking also its depleted uranium going through steel armor. The Tigers are firing steel AP rounds at composite armor.
abrams use illegal DU rows . American go to jail used DU .
It's funny that they call it "cowardly" to sit back and pop over the hill. That's literally what the Abrams was designed for lol
I feel like this should be done on multiple maps, one of them being that long range desert map
Yeah that would be a good one
That would have been even more unfair.
@@obsidianjane4413 true
As if 73 Easting wasn't lopsided enough for a tank battle.
Now the Tigers get to find out what it was like to be a Sherman in WW2.
Lol
Shermans actually destroyed allot of tigers
@@ddarkon1223 Yeah by losing half a platoon trying to flank them, just like what is happening here. Only the Fireflys could really engage Tigers at the same range Tigers could kill a Sherman, unless they got the sides or rear.
@@mackgiver875Literally never happened, lol. Nearly every recorded Sherman Tiger engagement had the Sherman come out on top, 75mm or otherwise.
@@gabriel.b9036 Yes when there's 6 of them for every Tiger on the field then eventually the Tiger dies. Nobody with a choice fought a Tiger with a Sherman 1 v 1, unless they were driving a Firefly.
I’m just imagining the skill of the tank crew in a real scenario, like how good their coordination has to be to pull of movement and shots like these.
When deciding how to best fight this battle, the Abrams commander should of course maximize the strengths of his tank over the opponent. The Abrams has superior firepower and mobility, and while the M1 frontal arc is impervious to the Tiger, nevertheless the Tigers firepower has to be respected as flank hits could penetrate and any hit could be a mobility kill.
As fought, the Abrams commanders acted stupidly. Going up into a hull down, firing once, backing down and the going up to essentialy the same hull down in effect presents a stationary target to the attacking Tigers.
If the Abrams commander wants to play the armor card and is banking on the frontal arc being impervious to the Tigers, then just stay in the one hull down spot and pump out the rounds. If the engagement started when the sides were at 2000m apart, in two minutes the Abrams will have sent 14-16 rounds downrange, while the Tigers could only have closed the gap by 750m (assuming a speed of 20kph). So after two minutes there would have been at least a dozen dead Tigers and the remaining handful would still have 400-500 to travel before they were even within engagement range of the Abrams.
If the Abrams commander wanted to play the mobility card, traverse across the battlefield more or less hull down, creating a quicky moving target for the Tigers to try to hit. Abrams incredible fire control and shoot on the move capability means its accuracy is only slightly diminished while forcing Tiger gunners to track and hit a target moving across their front. The changing range, deflection angles and applying lead will put the Tiger accuracy in the toilet. Tiger commanders will want to stay still longer to provide a stable base for their gunners, making them sitting ducks for the M1. M1 commanders could be running the engine smoke generators most of the time obscuring their precise location from the Tigers.
I was looking at the way Odd was using the Abrams and noticed he was using the Abrams exactly how it is used IRL in open fields
hull down?
With a good Abrams player, the result is determined by how much the player is willing to wait after finding a position (or perhaps after re-positioning). If they get impatient, they get slapped. If they hold their ground, eventually, their opponents will have to come to them and expose themselves. Honestly, the best tactic once the Abrams player is found would be for a couple people to keep throwing smoke in their face so that they either have to re-position, or push out of the smoke to prevent people from closing the distance. At that point, two people who would have flanked prior would be waiting to take a side shot.
The thermals can see through old style smoke though.
@@robertharris6092 TFW it's 0400 and you forget that not all smoke shells are coded the same. Room temperature IQ moment
congrats Odd, when I heard you were going to be the abrams i knew you would win. You also showed that working together can also help alot. good job
Greats video, as always. And THANK YOU!
I’m just starting the video but the answer is about 40, because that’s about the number of rounds the m1 can carry, and that’s only if it has time to stop in a jibe because it would have to manually reload the ammo rack from the rack behind the tc.
Half the tigers would break down before leaving the spawn spot
Considering one of the big advantages of the Abrams is its ability to fire accurately while on the move, not a very realistic scenario have it sit in the same place. Also, with its better range and sights, it should have been able to take out most if not all the Tigers before they could even get within range.
Exactly, the tiger was not able to perform a fire while moving or its turret would be seriously damaged. And it would take 60 seconds for the tiger to turn the turret 360 degrees.
In one of the three battles do the M1 Abrams utilize their speed and accuracy while mobile. The Abrams could've easily taken Tigers out at range, focusing on one side more than the other, and then charge the weaker side while placing terrain between their weaker armor and the Tigers they're leaving behind. As they close range on any remaining Tigers on that side, their strongest armor is facing the Tigers so they won't get penetrated at all. At the same time, they're destroying Tigers with every shot ... or they should be. No Tiger is going to take a shot from an Abrams and both crew and tank survive as a functional unit. Once the Abrams have wiped the walls with the Tigers on that side, they simply do a 180 and confront the other side, again from long range.
I mean if the tiger manages to hit the abrams barrel it’s only one that’s needed and if the tigers coordinate their push so they flank from two different sides at the same time then it’s two
Technically all they needed was to blitzkrieg and focus fire coordinate so by the time the last fires the first can again
Can u maybe do this with a leopard like leopard 2 vs Sherman’s ? Would be nice to see
Dude my M22 can pierce the thin hide of the leopard… im serious can
@@BurningBlazeBaguette and also the side of the M1,so? side armor is basically irrelevant for modern tanks
Frontally a M4 can penetrate a leopard, somehow
@@averagesnailgodpraiser3840 are you refferring to the 2PL optic? because that's the only case in wich it's possible. and even then that's far from a guaranteed kill
@@the-lag-gamerita5446 if the 2pl's modular armor around the gun is shot off a 45mm Russian gun can pen it and kill it (did it once on tunisia)
These are great and I'm hoping for more of them but I wish you'd still do some regular vehicle vids too.
But they don’t get nearly as many views as these vids
@@ThunderWithMuffin No worries, it was just a suggestion. It's your channel...I'll be watching no matter what you do.🙂
@@ThunderWithMuffin you got your niche brother, stick with it :)
Great to see another one! Love these.
I miss Daddy Phly, wish he was out there with Odd.
One day brother the prophet will return
Where has Phly gone?
@@ThunderWithMuffin he's just busy with his kid ig, not posted in a while
Oddbawz is an exceptional player. I loved this video.
All the Abrams has to do is keep moving during the engagement. It’s ability to target and shoot on the go is what made Desert Storm such a turkey shoot. That and the Chobham armor that bounced T shells off.
In ten years a Drone that can fly at 200 kmph will be able to kill any tank from 3 km away all A I controlled
@@jeffreytipper4909ok bud 😂
@@curlyfries2956drones can kill tanks amazingly well now.
Guy sitting in the US can fly a drone half way round the world and murder tanks.
The ai bit im not so sure though. Im sure they could program the drone to auto target tank like vehicles to engage. But im thinking the rules of war and doctrine will require an officer to allow the shot.
@@travisrolison9646 we have developed anti drone laser weapons
@@jeffreytipper4909”The Germans made a bigger bullet, our landships are already obsolete.”
lol intro music from c&c generals, i'm glad to hear that
Great commentary, and awesome video!
Finally , we got Collab with Oddbawz , That Literally Wotb and Wt collabs that we didn't need , but worth it
Also , I just waiting for T-80 vs Grandpa IS-2
You should do the Tiger 1 H vs T-34(1940) thing where a lone Tiger 1 held off a whole tank battalion of 50 or so T-34s. Basically, the T-34s retreated and the Tiger 1 claimed 17 kills with 5 knock outs. But the Tiger 1 actually ran out of AP ammo and had to resort to using HE ammo. Took 67 hits from Russian F-34 76mm, none of which penetrated.
What's a "F-34"?
@@thiccthighssavelives5866 76mm M1940 F-34 cannon was the gun used in the T-34-76 from 1940-1944.
@@geoffsails *I n t e r e s t i n g*
I love watching your content! ❤ keep it up!
This is awesome! Nice job!
Why does the abrams scope have parkinson's
Wt replay system unfortunately. I hope they fix it soon
These videos are cool. I *think* a good way to "simulate" WW2 tech vs more modern technology would be for the Abrams to have access to 3rd person (simulates sensors for more awareness) and the WW2 tanks stuck in first person view
In WW2 Comanders kept their heads outside of the tank in order to spot the enemy
@@rodrigofilho1996 lol no they certainly did not. One of the main critiques of Fury from from WW2 tankers was how much Brad Pitt's head was poking out of the tank. Looks cool in the movie but a great way to get your head blown off.
@@Trisket to today's tankists and critics maybe, but on WW2 the commander keeping the head out was a rule unless under active heavy engagement, actually, even drivers would leave their hatch open during light engagement, that's why was part of the anti tank doctrine found in most manuals dating to WW2 to take MG shots at the tank from the range of 1 thousand meters in order to force the enemy tank to close all his hatches and become less aware of his surroundings as even long range spotting wasn't done by the gunner and his optics but by the commander with binoculars.
Been waiting for this one
the fact that u put super skilled players in the good vehicles kinda unfair
And in an open map, they should chose a different map that's smaller because he obviously chose this map in favour for thr Abrams. If it was an urban map, it'd be the absolute opposite.
Yeah in future vids I’ve thought about mixing it up a bit or having at least one round where the main tank has to move around and not sit in spawn if they choose to do so in the first round
How about a realistic WW2 battle on the eastern front?
heres the lineup:
USSR side:
2x IS-2
2x IS-1
2x T-34-85(D-5T)
1x KV-2
1x KV-1S
1x ASU-57
2x ISU-152
1x T-34-57
1x T-34(1942)
1x KV-85
1x SU-85M
German side:
2x Nashorn
1x Sturer Emil
2x Pz. IV J
2x Panther D
1x Panther A
2x Tiger H1
1x Tiger E
1x Pz. IV H
1x Stug III G
1x Panzer IV/70(V)
1x Jagdpanzer IV
Does this seem fair, if you end up doing it in a video, feel free to edit it to make it more fair. Thanks!
Should be 1 Ferdinand in there somewhere.
@@Hanz_Goober maybe but then we would have to add a ISU-122S
@@doiboiplayswarthunder3980 I'd say 1 normal IS-2, and an IS-2 1944
@@Hanz_Goober sure
asu-57 is a post war tank though
It takes 1 more than however many shells the abrams can hold.
I smiled when that kruppstahl bounced a long rod depleted uranium penetrator
Maus vs Abrams, 60 Tons of Freedom against 200t of German enginiering
In all honesty though, this is still a video game. An Abrams isn't invincible in real life, but it would be fine against this many relics.
Not if they can flank it. I know it would be extremely difficult in real life, but it is possible. A Tiger could kill any modern tank from the sides or back. You'd be surprised by how many people think otherwise.
@@johncee853 Agreed.
@@johncee853 well that's if the tiger doesn't break down mid fight
@@kanash8851 that's very funny because atm the US is refusing to send Ukraine any Abrams because of all the maintenance they need. So the real battle would be everyone broken down on random positions trying to snipe each other.
@@admontblancYou know all tanks need maintenance, right? So do rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers, clothes, and literally everything else.
The apfsds are slicing throu tigers rather than punching innit?
Yeah
I love these vids man
The number of Tigers killed by 1 Abrams tank would be limited to the number of HEAT/SABOT rounds the Abrams can hold. The number of Abrams tanks killed would be virtually based upon the Abrams fuel and ammo capacity.
Do this again but with the T-80, Challenger 2, Leclerc, and Leopard 2.
Great play-by-play commentary!! It kept me engage, and I don't even play this game. But, maybe I will after this.
great video as always
I love that Odd is collabing with you in these challenges. It is so cool
Interesting that you have the armor on the Abrams so thin. I thought it was equivalent to 40+ inches of steel. Same with pen on its rounds. The Abrams would do well to use its speed and relocate to better positions.
Its because its the default abrams if it was the m1a2 sep or m1a2 or m1a1 AIM it would be different with the armor
0:19 bro you accidently made a rhyme better than I ever did in my life😂
A Tiger bouncing an Abrams saber round....
War Thunder physics.
FURY: THE AMERICAN REVENGE
Can they make a night fight version?The Abrams should have a big advantage thanks to night/heath vision!
Even bigger of an advantage, you mean. :-P
It already have an advantage
Reminds me of testing my friend’s skill in the Turms with me in the German captured bulldog
Well, as a modeler, I have been fascinated by the vision of the confrontation between the Tiger and the modern Abrams since I was a kid. Especially after watching "Nimitz" where the Japanese "Zeros" attack F-14s. The only option to disable the Abrams is an ambush. You place the Tiger by the road, expecting an Abrams on the left, and point the turret to the right where the Abrams is expected to appear and show it's butt. The Tiger's engines were turned off so it couldn't be detected by thermal vision. You wait until the Abrams starts approaching the point on the road where its back is towards you, turn on the engine and electrics, make corrections to the gun and fire it up. 88mm, easily enters the engine compartment, Abrams stops. The Abrams crew is evacuating, just like the Tiger crew, because more Abrams are coming. :P
The 88mm "Can Not" penetrate the Abrams frontal armour !!! A silly sim !
The Abrams can Kill all of them at great distance, it wouldn't even be a long fight !!
Sgt, Semper Fi
It never penned from the front
I feel what would be more interesting to do next time is have the vehicles being hunted move from spot to spot. It'd be more dynamic and a little more fair seeing as the defenders tactic was just sit in a corner of the map.
Yeah I’m planning on doing that in future vids. I agree
@@ThunderWithMuffin Or the objective to be "cap a location."
Man y’all just got a sub..tho oddbawZ in the Abrams who next Justinplays? Loving this ❤
i love what u do never stop it
This scenario is every reformist dream
Yeah, saying again, sitting at the spawn and using the radar might be "smart" but for the "challenge" it's 100% not fair fight ! If you're challenging the Abrams as vehicle to find out if it's 10 times better than the Tiger by doing a 10v1 challenge, at least set the fights better. This is like a duck hunt in one of the worst designed maps in the entire game, if not the worst... Try Mozdok, Karelia, Normandy, Hürtgen...
Of course it's not a fair fight, there's about 50 years of technological progress between these tanks. Artificially increasing the Tigers chance of winning by putting the Abrams in a bad spot to start with removes the whole point of the challenge. The only way to really show how big a difference is between the tanks is to let the players utilise the strengths of their tanks freely, and for the Abrams that happens to be sitting back and using it's reverse speed.
@@Boberther You must be Einstein's son or something very clever, I thought the Tiger was a modern MBT equivalent to Abrams thank for the info, Jeez.
I'll add a couple of things, I watch Odd's videos, he can comment himself but I know more or less his playstyle, in similar situation you can just wait for a clear-shot or even spawn radar to take the shot safely and pull back behind a hill and take them out np. HOWEVER I feel like Odd's move was subconscious to move forward and leave the ridge that he killed himself, or felt like the situation would be unfair to sit back and wait for the radar to make the work. Yeah turns back to my point at the beginning...
My guy, if you really wanted this to be a truly “fair fight” you put them on f*cking Sinai. The major advantage of the M1 is its range and speed, the ERA only works from the front of the tank. Artificially giving the Tigers the advantage by putting them on the most optimal map possible and forcing the Abrams to brawl against them isn’t going to prove anything. You’re basically saying “it isn’t fair that the guys with shotguns aren’t given an unrealistic amount of cover against the sniper, we should force the sniper to fight them in CQC!”
In fact, if this were a “fair” test we should remove the map boundaries entirely and let the Abrams run circles around these things taking pot shots from 2 km away the entire match. The fact that the Abrams can’t withdraw already is putting the Tigers at an unrealistic advantage.
An Abrams vs a Tiger IS a duck hunt to the damn thing. This is how a realistic battle between the two would go. Deal with it.
It was never intended for the fight to be "fair". It's 10 old tanks vs 1 modern tank, all using the best abilities they have inside of War Thunder to see what will happen.
You dont watch a video on an oldtimer dragracing a modern sportscar and then complain that it's unfair because the sportscar can accelerate faster.
It's inherently unfair. It would also technically be unfair for the Tigers to be allowed to use their full abilities while severely crippling the Abrams in its potential.
I think what you meant is that it is not very entertaining and I 100% agree with you on that. There's little to no stakes for the Abrams.
The biggest problem with this fight is that you would have to transfer from the semi-ready and hull racks at some point. Luckily, modern .50 cal rounds could at least disable the Tiger.
Not being a WT player, why does the Abrams reticle look so different than the real thing? And why does it not use it's thermal sight? Why not mod it to be more realistic?
i love that at 8:25 he immediately know a tiger was about to be there, suuuuuus
Before I watch or read anything, I always like guessing at these theoretical encounters.
The M1 has computer guided aiming, superior armor, and superior projectiles. (Either AP or HE would work on WWII armor)
The Tigers would have to flank the M1 and either aim for the tracks or get behind it and hit the engine. And Tigers only have iron sights, and the M1 is very fast if the crew wants it to be (45 mph max)
Not the Abrams launching a shell pretty much straight down the barrel of a tiger in round 2 lmfao
I think when it comes to urban battle. The tanks odds against another are fair one on one. The advantage of the abrams are its range, firing while moving, night vision and thermal imaging. Sensors dont matter on this fight since the tiger are not using infrared to target the abrams, thus giving the abrams indication that its being targeted. Maybe if the abrams has link to a scout drone. Thats another whole level advantage. As seeing your enemy, tactics and posture in real time is a game changer as we saw happen in actual war in ukraine.
Ukraine is apples and oranges..in the 1st gulf war a host of t72s ambushed a single Abrams,the 72s hit the Abrams over a dozen times and the only damage suffered to the Abrams was a track being knocked out meanwhile all 72s were completely destroyed...so we knew then how inferior Russian military equipment truly was...I've always said Russian military was complete garbage and grossly over exaggerated and we see from Ukraine how true it is..
The stabilized gun, modern fire controls and thermals would be a pretty big advantage in urban combat for the Abrams. War Thunder glosses over a lot of the improvements made to the way tanks are controlled in the past 70 years for the sake of playability, but IRL a modern MBT would pretty much always get the first shot on a tank from the 40s or 50s unless it was taken by surprise from the sides or rear.
Other issues, the Abrams tanks used depleted Uranium armor and ammo.
They also had a layer of reactive and ceramic plate. The Tiger at best was firing either Tool Steel or tungsten rounds. It would have taken a very lucky shot to knock out the engine and the tracks are tough too.
As an ex M1 gunner and driver, we are trained to hide behind defilades and drive up, fire and back down out of sight. This is normal operations unless they changed tactics from my time in service in the 80's
dont pay attention to the comments that called the abrams tactics a cowardly one. 1. They get bored at this type of battle and its not epic enough for them when it already is 2. irl this is the tactic abram tankers use to get through battle and its pretty affective, it was even used back then in the past. so dont listen to them, this was a great video
In real life there's a guy looking for targets and a separate gunner and a separate driver. All you're testing with 1 guy doing all 3 jobs is how many Tigers can an M1 trade punches with.
15 tigers vs 1 abrams is the definition of bringing an AC130 gunship and full juggernaut armor with an m134 minigun to a fistfight
I don't know why, but I'm always rooting for the ww2 vehicles in these videos
Since Abrams has the speed and range advantage. As many as the shell capacity. Plus Abrams doesn't have to stop for accurate fire.
The only way to make this challenge better is by making the Tiger squad hear boss music.
That was a blast
Is that command and conquer soundtrack? Dope
Why do the crosshairs in sniper mode twitch around so much and then sort of snap onto their targets?
I think the Tigers learned from the Shermans and Locusts.
The general command and conquer theme song the memories I have with this song
I love the C&C Generals theme song
great video
Abrams: *remembers the battle of 73 easting *plays Doom music
Oh yeah time to whoop some ass!
Odd is playing War Thunder while the tigers are playing survival horror
Now I want to see 20 M3 Stuarts vs 1 Abrams!
Actually make that 60 M3 Stuarts versus 1 Abrams.