Why Ryder BETRAYED Grove Street - Grand Theft Auto San Andreas Explained

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  • Опубліковано 23 сер 2023
  • #bigsmoke #grovestreet #Ryder
    Was Ryder a Traitor to the Johnson Family? Discover the surprising #gta evidence!
    Ryder, a character from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (GTA SA), is a complex and pivotal figure in the game's storyline. Here's a summary of Ryder's character:
    Background: Ryder, whose real name is Lance Wilson, is one of the original members of the Grove Street Families (GSF) gang in Los Santos. He's known for his distinctive appearance, including his green bandana and a unique hairstyle. Ryder is a close childhood friend of the game's protagonist, Carl "CJ" Johnson, and his brother, Sweet.
    Personality: Ryder is portrayed as impulsive, unpredictable, and often erratic in his behavior. He is known for his street-smart, rough demeanor, and has a penchant for using colorful and often humorous language. Despite his loyalty to the GSF, Ryder is also shown to be disloyal and willing to bend his allegiances for personal gain.
    Role in the Story: Ryder plays a significant role in the game's storyline, particularly in the early missions. He is a key member of the Grove Street Families and helps CJ and Sweet in their endeavors. However, as the game progresses, Ryder's loyalty comes into question, and he becomes increasingly involved with corrupt cops and criminal activities.
    Betrayal: One of the central plot twists in GTA SA involves Ryder's betrayal of the Grove Street Families. He aligns himself with the game's primary antagonist, Big Smoke, and the corrupt police officers of C.R.A.S.H. This betrayal has a profound impact on the storyline and leads to dramatic confrontations later in the game.
    Fate: Ryder's storyline ultimately culminates in a climactic confrontation with CJ. Depending on the player's choices, Ryder can meet different fates, but his character arc remains one of betrayal and moral ambiguity.
    Legacy: Ryder is remembered as one of the game's most enigmatic characters, and his actions have sparked debates and theories among GTA SA fans regarding his true motivations and loyalty.
    In summary, Ryder is a character in GTA San Andreas who starts as a loyal member of the Grove Street Families but becomes embroiled in betrayal and criminal activities, making him a central figure in the game's complex and engaging storyline.
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  • @user-oz6qd9he4u
    @user-oz6qd9he4u 10 місяців тому +24

    Ryder’s betrayal was made last minute they said the voice actor off Ryder said they did not need him no more

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +5

      so how can you say that when dialogue says ''smoke better be right about this''

    • @stomper5432
      @stomper5432 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@LScentralcould be talking about anything your just another fan with an opinion you got no right making this youtube account your not a spokesperson for one of our childhood games just stfu and delete this channel

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +3

      You didn't watch the video bro....

    • @mdh16off59
      @mdh16off59 10 місяців тому +4

      ​​@@5689ibro from introduction and debut of the game ryder was basterd

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому

      fr @@mdh16off59

  • @SweetTooth916
    @SweetTooth916 10 місяців тому +20

    I just watched the introduction movie for the first time yesterday, and what I got from the conversation between Ryder and Smoke, is that he was letting Smoke know that he's not betraying the Grove even if he had a gun to his head. 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +5

      That doesn’t follow with the unused dialogue when he says “Smoke better be right about this man” and if that were so why didn’t he do anything about it? 🤔 still doesn’t explain the missions working with SBF when they clearly have beef.

    • @moovehomie
      @moovehomie 10 місяців тому

      Come on man move

    • @FlaqkoGTA
      @FlaqkoGTA 10 місяців тому +1

      @@moovehomie MOVE

  • @eastmirrorhittaz5918
    @eastmirrorhittaz5918 10 місяців тому +10

    In the beginning they never targeted Ryder and big smoke leaving the funeral

    • @FlaqkoGTA
      @FlaqkoGTA 10 місяців тому +1

      Ryder still blast on them during drive thru and drive by

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      @@FlaqkoGTA that's cuz sweet was there also OMG flaqko hi but ryder was always supposed to be a traitor.

  • @Kippzy
    @Kippzy 10 місяців тому +8

    From what I can see. RockstarGames just rushed without giving any depth to Ryder’s betrayal. Ryder acted the way he acted at beginning because he was upset CJ left Los Santos. As stated, CJ & Ryder were childhood friends so Ryder constantly being mad at CJ in the beginning was understandable. But everything after just doesn’t make sense. CJ doesn’t even mention him in the Green Sabre mission, only Big Smoke. R* probably just didn’t care about Ryder’s character enough.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +2

      I think he had plans to betray them but rockstar didn’t know how exactly they wanted him involved because let’s be real most of the spots were filled

    • @Kippzy
      @Kippzy 10 місяців тому +1

      @@LScentral True. I honestly just wished they didn’t have him killed. There should’ve been a point where he explains to CJ how he was manipulated.

    • @viniciuslemes5774
      @viniciuslemes5774 4 місяці тому +1

      @@LScentral it's because ryder betrayel was supposed to be revelead only on photo opportunity! that's why cj's screams surprised at ryder... they did the thing all out of place... they decided to put ryder quiet into the CS with BIG SMOKE 2 catch 2 at once i gues..

  • @STR8_FAMILIES
    @STR8_FAMILIES 9 місяців тому +4

    HEY FAMILY YOU MAKE ME THINK ABOUT THIS MORE AND MORE. You really hit solid points. I’m going to follow up with you.

  • @gordonfreeman3208
    @gordonfreeman3208 10 місяців тому +14

    Interesting video, in my opinion there isn’t really a definitive answer to whether he was always gonna betray from the beginning. I’ve seen evidence to support both viewpoints (you have good pieces of that in your video) and I honestly cannot be sure I fall on either side. But maybe your title is accurate and I’m just clueless lol

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      The definitive answer is that he is a traitor

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      you ryder's fanboy smh@@hofnarrtheclown

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому

      I never fanboyed LS Central, when he said Ryder wasn't a traitor, I still fought him cuz I've always believed this and it's THE TRUTH. So please get your facts straight, you disingenuous dense mother****er@@hofnarrtheclown

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      @@hofnarrtheclown - fanboy

  • @ApexNotLegends
    @ApexNotLegends 10 місяців тому +17

    Ryder's betrayal was planned from the start? I've played GTA SA multiple times, and this theory sounds stupid.

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +3

      it's 100% true and makes sense that Ryder was a traitor, I'm glad it finally came out.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +2

      It's not fake information though you just stuck on the idea of him being some grove st king@@hofnarrtheclown

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      @@hofnarrtheclown this is not fake info it's real, you just think he's a gsf king or some bs like los said above.

  • @placyd
    @placyd 4 місяці тому +1

    I'll stick to canon, a traitor is a traitor unless Rockstar Games makes another 3D Universe game to show the closure on the events before GTA:SA even when it doesn't happen in Los Santos cus people keep crying that Ryder ain't a traitor which might be. Yea it sucks Ryder's character ain't finished since R* rushed his screen time then get CJ to find out later.
    In Photo Opportunity how did CJ already know Ryder is in the Loco Syndicate? He showed up out of the blue afaik so even tho it sucks to see Ryder as a traitor, he still did at least canonically.

  • @iambloopy
    @iambloopy 10 місяців тому +5

    I also believe he was supposed to betray GSF without examining the evidence. The conversations between Ryder and everyone else, especially with Smoke are very telling.

    • @iambloopy
      @iambloopy 10 місяців тому +3

      @@hofnarrtheclownwhat do you make of the conversations between Ryder and Smoke? I’ve observed that in the beginning, Ryder and Smoke were not shot at. His first words were “You are just a liability CJ!” When CJ dropped by to see him the first time, he was so jumpy and standoffish, forgot that CJ was his homie. The infamous Drive Thru mission, Smoke is low-key threatening Ryder to keep quiet twice and eventually he submits. His constant negativity? Remember in Reuniting the families he left with Smoke? How Tenpenny and Polanski are comfortable entering and making demands in Ryder and Smoke’s house, but never Sweet’s or the Johnson house? They have to constantly corner CJ to even speak to him? But that same caution is never practiced around Smoke and Ryder? There’s a couple of clues if you read in between the lines.

    • @iambloopy
      @iambloopy 10 місяців тому +3

      ⁠​⁠@@hofnarrtheclownread between the lines bro but I guess not everyone likes to. The argumentative Ryder, backing out of an argument? Now that’s news. He never backs down. CJ was never the head of the gang, he wasn’t responsible for its fall, Sweet is, so that anger should’ve been directed at Sweet too but he’s very upset at CJ in almost every mission, even behind his back because it complicates their plan to kill Sweet. Literally, the evidence of his oncoming betrayal is right there in the storyline but you guys refuse to believe it just because he was helping GSF. As for the Los Specu… mission, literally doesn’t count because coming by could’ve meant anything. He could’ve been in the neighbourhood or the house and even around Sweet, Tenpenny is careful. He never made any demands, only gave information. Even when you play chess bro, you never straight up get the king, he’s heavily protected. You manipulate the chessboard until the king is vulnerable.

    • @iambloopy
      @iambloopy 10 місяців тому +3

      @@hofnarrtheclownone more thing… in the beginning, the Balla car also followed Sweet, so he was targeted.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  9 місяців тому +2

      He pulled that out of thin air lol the introduction was made at an unknown point

  • @deadly6982
    @deadly6982 10 місяців тому +10

    Cool but last time i checked Ryder hates ballas i mean the dude literally beat up a teacher cause he was wearing purple

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +3

      he loves SBF though.

  • @instinctofapredator9009
    @instinctofapredator9009 10 місяців тому +5

    Wait a minute... ain't the Seville Boulevard Families colors supposed to be dark green? Ryder is the only one wearing dark green out of the other main grove street members. Could he really have been Seville Boulevard the whole game? Why else would he be wearing the dark green instead of the green that other grove street members wear?

    • @moovehomie
      @moovehomie 10 місяців тому +1

      Nice shooeees homie

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому +1

      No dude seville was a new off brand set so NO maybe u could say he switched sets if anything

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому +1

      @@hofnarrtheclown but not as long as grove st tho everybody was original grove st which why i said he couldn’t have been seville from the start cus THEY ALL was grove st from the start he most likely switched affiliation seeming how grove st wasnt on nun anymore

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +1

      @@hofnarrtheclown this isn't a theory it's confirmed by rockstar and MC Eiht himself so please stop spreading fake info.

  • @user-oz6qd9he4u
    @user-oz6qd9he4u 10 місяців тому +49

    He was not supposed to betray grove street

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому +8

      He was supposed to betray Grove Street

    • @moovehomie
      @moovehomie 10 місяців тому +1

      Man get your steppin

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому

      @@hofnarrtheclown stop spreading fake info 🤡

    • @OceanGrownTV
      @OceanGrownTV 10 місяців тому

      You didn’t watch the video

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому

      Shut up nigga@@hofnarrtheclown

  • @yelhsanosnhoj6602
    @yelhsanosnhoj6602 9 місяців тому +3

    You don’t go from beating up teachers for wearing Ballas colors to teaming up with them. Ryder was never supposed to be a traitor.

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  9 місяців тому +1

      I think y’all misunderstand he’s working with SBF more so

    • @yelhsanosnhoj6602
      @yelhsanosnhoj6602 9 місяців тому +1

      @@LScentral he was with some Ballas in that Green Sabre mission cutscene and when they have the meeting where CJ’s taking pictures, for some examples…also seeing as Ryder was also just as mad with CJ for leaving them behind as Sweet the only one that didn’t care was Smoke…

  • @AmitGarnaik
    @AmitGarnaik 13 днів тому

    we all know he wasn't planned to be a busta in the beginning. But they changed it in the end. The developers did all they could with the resources they had to make us feel that Ryder was a busta all along. To this day I feel he could've been such a good character if he didn't betray

  • @vikmixedandproudconservati2095
    @vikmixedandproudconservati2095 10 місяців тому +8

    Ryder wasn't betraying Grove Street, he was the most loyal O.G , all Ryder's mission benefit Grove Street, while Smokes mission benefit him and have nothing to do with the Grove

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому

      Nbs and in the end they made it seem like we was suppose to care about smoke’s betrayal more than Ryders took bout 4 floors of enemies to kill smoke ryder go out so easily just a small swarm of enemies and no deep talk with him but wana hve a deep talk with smoke like Fxxk smoke nbs im more sad about ryder

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому

      @@hofnarrtheclown crash must had something on smoke or he simply gave up ona families cus they wasnt up to much

    • @5689i
      @5689i 10 місяців тому

      @@hofnarrtheclown stop spreading fake information dammit. RYDER IS A TRAITOR!!!!

    • @miguelpasamano4995
      @miguelpasamano4995 3 місяці тому

      @@dannyd9077 and, if he was really down with them, he'd've called CJ and showed him what's going on like Cesar did when he found out

  • @AmonnRa
    @AmonnRa День тому

    Is there some story for LB, i have theory that maybe that's code name for some Ballas because CJ as high ranking GSF member didn't know about him and Ryder was traitor

  • @FlaqkoGTA
    @FlaqkoGTA 10 місяців тому +3

    Not sure if Ryder ALWAYS was supposed to Ryder betray the grove but in saying that
    1. Rockstar designed this character dumb as hell as all of his missions contradicts this amongst countless other things.
    2. Ryder been with grove since a child and would die for the grove why tf would he betray.
    3. Rockstar was on crack when deciding to add Ryder to smokes plan.
    4. It doesnt benefit the story whatsoever and is dumb story telling from rockstar in this one. ROCKSTAR ARE BUSTERS

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому

      Nbs im still hurt they did that ryder was my homie🥲 he kept it real wit us and supplied da hood wit guns i still aint over it then in gta 5 stretch betray us lile wtf is up wit dem😂

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому

      @@hofnarrtheclown they acting like ryder wasnt down i heard the voice actor got into it with rockstar tho idk hos true tht is but most off the actors get into it wit dem other than frank n lamar

  • @BryanX112
    @BryanX112 9 місяців тому +2

    Ryder was never supposed to betray them

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  9 місяців тому +1

      That’s an opinion not a fact

  • @jns_dizzy
    @jns_dizzy 4 місяці тому

    They need to make a movie

  • @REDACTEDFILE
    @REDACTEDFILE 4 місяці тому

    ok listening to your theory... what stopped big smoke and ryder from killing cj and sweet with emmits AK???? sounds good until you get to the point on , why didn't they do it then? sounds like everything was going according to plan, then he just gives cj the AK? i think maybe you overlooked something unless i missed something

  • @jns_dizzy
    @jns_dizzy 4 місяці тому

    U need to make a movie

  • @alextorres3402
    @alextorres3402 10 місяців тому

    God bless

  • @ImJay55
    @ImJay55 10 місяців тому +1

    I will continue to deny this. But I'll still see jus because

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +2

      Even if you dislike the idea, you will still uncover something you overlooked.

  • @Playboy_TheDolls
    @Playboy_TheDolls 10 місяців тому

    Ballers and grove are all the crip card just read there sets not every crip gets along I know

  • @TopmenTacobell
    @TopmenTacobell 10 місяців тому

    Weres Rollin heights ballas

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +3

      In the works.

  • @Playboy_TheDolls
    @Playboy_TheDolls 10 місяців тому

    Play the beginning on the game missions u will realize ballers and grove are both Crips sweet tells u they temple drive ballers they don’t ride with us nomore

    • @dannyd9077
      @dannyd9077 10 місяців тому

      He did not say ballas😭

  • @jaysantanaofficialmusic
    @jaysantanaofficialmusic 7 місяців тому

    Bruh did he play em or not bc the last one y’all was sayin he wasn’t lmao

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  7 місяців тому +1

      He played them and I found a lot more stuff since the last video

    • @jaysantanaofficialmusic
      @jaysantanaofficialmusic 7 місяців тому

      @@LScentral oh bet

  • @TopmenTacobell
    @TopmenTacobell 10 місяців тому

    Stop making the same content

    • @LScentral
      @LScentral  10 місяців тому +7

      This isn't the same content though. I'm expanding on a theory.