@@ALJ9000 possibly....there has been violence committed in the name of Every thing...🙄.,.look at the Mostly peaceful protests after George Floyd was killed....No violence there , Right....?
That's something I've been saying for a long time now: women have always had power. It's just that throughout history, women's power has generally been more covert, "the power behind the throne". Conversely, men's power has generally been more overt, which ultimately puts them in the line of fire, often literally, and that throne makes a pretty good shield for the one behind it.
+thomas oconnor Cersei Lannister plays heavily off of this because of issues with the System. Lady Tyrell does it super effectively. Concubines, queens, and empresses have heavily done this as well as Upper Class Women throughout history.
+thomas oconnor ~ Although now, looking at that thread, my comment is indeed missing for some reason... I've had comments get eaten by youtube so others can't see it but I still can, so this is something different when I can't even see my own comment.
A Canadian friend tells me his grandfather was presented with a white feather while on a tram in Canada. He looked the woman in the eye and said very loudly, "thanks lady, I'll pin it to my wooden leg!". He rolled up his trouser leg, exposing his wooden leg (lost in a childhood accident) and proudly pinned it there. She ran away then but she was "brave" enough to confront a seemingly healthy man and present him with the badge of cowardice, to shame him into joining the army. During WWI, Australia was the ONLY Allied country in WWI to not have conscription. The government tried twice to impose it by referendum and it failed both times. The leading exponent for the YES case was a woman. On the plus side, the leading exponent for the NO vote was also a woman.
The white feather campaign is for me, one of the most powerful refutations of the feminist claim that women were oppressed in the past. The white feather campaign took place in Britain throughout the First World War (1914-18) , a war which claimed the lives of 800,000 British men (think 14 Vietnams in a country with a population one quarter of that of the US, at the time of the Vietnam war) and left millions more maimed (blinded, missing limbs, driven insane by what they experienced) for life. I'd like to ask feminists this: What sort of oppression is it, that allows the so called oppressed class (women) to publicly humiliate the so called oppressor class (men), so that they are shamed into volunteering for what it's no exaggeration to say, was mass slaughter or a living hell?
Paul Jackson Oh it gets better: The Suffragettes had been nothing but trouble, attacking businesses, storming Parliament, bombing homes and train stations and planning at least one assassination attempt. Suddenly they were handing out white feathers to boys as young as 10 years old and they were no longer an issue. Here's the really sickening part: Most of the men and boys (there were plenty of underage boys who volunteered to fight, including an ancestor of mine who joined at 15) who fought and died in that war didn't have the right to vote because they didn't own land. The Suffragettes didn't give a damn about those men and boys they sent to die in the trenches.
@2thinkcritically Very true. One thing that I forgot to mention too was that conscription (the draft) was introduced in 1916, but the white feathering of men who were deemed unfit for service and of underage boys, continued throughout the war. @ thomas oconnor Women today have the damned nerve to say that women fought and died at that time to get the vote. The only woman who died was a silly bitch who I won't bother to name, who fell under a horse at a race track trying to fix a suffragette banner to it. It's widely believed among historians that British suffragettes actually held back the extension of the franchise to women with their campaign of vandalism, arson and bombings.
Emmilene Pankhurst campaigned for conscription to be introduced to force young men into fighting, many of whom did not have the right to vote and so were completely powerless. Equality my arse!
In that same war, men who were suffering sever mental illness as a result of the war (shell shock or ptsd) were executed when they refused to return to the fight.
I recently found out from an Aunt that my Grandfather was targeted by these cows and given a white feather on his way to work one day. He was an Engineer and his job was considered "Essential War Work" so he was exempt from joining the military. Not that it mattered to these clowns.
Paul Elam starts talking about the White Feather Campaign around the 7:00 mark. There are many topics and talking points I wish The Red Pill movie could have included, and the White Feather Campaign is definitely one of them. I thought this would be a good Raw File to release since in Ep. 24 ua-cam.com/video/wQr-XGM6vQo/v-deo.html Ms. Magazine's Katherine Spillar argued that war has been the result of men's decisions and that feminists had always been a part of the peace movements. Also, in last week's Raw File, Ep.25 ua-cam.com/video/NdLXnYJjd6w/v-deo.html, men's rights advocate Fred Hayward talked about men's fear of being drafted during the Vietnam War while feminist activists were holding up signs saying "my body, my choice" (in regards to women's reproductive rights). Since most people have never heard of the White Feather Campaign, I think this is a clear example of how our modern-day society has had the blinders on when discussing historical gender issues.
Excellent sequence, Cassie! I just wish Spillar could A: see them, and B: actually get the points being made that highlight her cognitive malfeasance. Sadly, the latter is impossible, and the former is not bloody likely.
My Grandfather was in WW one, I have His Doughboy Helmet. He never spoke a word about it , He was such a wonderful Man and was the Saviour of my Grandmother who had a horrible life as a young Irish Immigrant Girl , She was younger and for his whole life He let Her be the boss, when He died She instantly lost her mind and will to live, But we found Photos of Him and other Soldiers and the fields of France where as far as you could see there wasn't even a piece of Grass, He was like a Skeleton, he looked like a death Camp survivor, they had to eat Rats that were feeding on the Corpses, Americans were so well supplied , but there were times nothing could get to them. the Carnage was beyond belief, the rotting corpses of Men & Horses , the most hideous maimings & Injuries (not to mention the new phenomenon of "Shell Shock" especially Naval Guns what they can do to the mind) Mustard Gas was so awful they used to Shoot their own Men out of mercy, Imagine having to do that? It haunted him, he went every day of His life to Church (being Irish Catholic)to help deal with it. He never exhibited the agony of it, never even raised his voice. Sometimes as many Men were Killed in two days as were Killed in all of the Vietnam War.
I couldn't get a Drivers License until I signed up for Selective Service, I couldn't take the Civil Service exam for Boston Firefighter without proof I signed up and so on , couldn't do anything. I remember when I was a Kid in 1969 and a Navy Jeep pulled up to our House (a Triple Decker / 3 Family ) and they kicked in our Door by mistake, they shoved the Boston Cops out of the way, they were looking for our landlady's Boy who went awol from the Marines, not that He was a Coward, he just couldn't Kill another person.
Emma Watson needs to watch this entire video series. Maybe then she'll finally get it. They way I see it is there are two main camps of modern feminism: one of naivety, and one of malice. Watson is the poster girl for the camp of naivety, of which Cassie was once a part of. Chanty Binx, aka "Big Red" is the embodiment of female spite. If enough of the prominent naive feminists actually open their eyes and preach true equality they would have a movement worth fighting for. HeForShe, a campaign championed by Watson, is just more "white feather" waving.
Jay Besser Ever noticed how violent Emma Watson's Harry Potter character was towards male characters in the movies? She even mentioned how good it felt in an interview. She's in need of some self-reflection.
ben nichols While you're absolutely correct that Big Daddy Government shafts men on a daily basis and the divorce courts are shambolic, screeching out this Incel shite about women deserving to be raped is fucking retarded and completely undermines any semblance of progress in the movement. How the fuck are we supposed to be taken seriously if any feminist can load up this video, check literally any comment section and see hatemongering bitter lunatics like yourself saying they deserve to be raped. Nobody wants to listen to your whinging, so man up and develop a cogent argument for fuck's sake. You're the male equivalent of a #KillAllMen feminist.
ben nichols Please, by all means; let smarter people solve your issues for you rather than being an active detriment to a movement with your best interests at hand. If Cassie Jaye was able to escape the rabid Feminist Echo Chamber, then there's (albeit slim) hope for all of them. And the reason I have to use a fake name is because I can't publically express my support for groups like this without the risk of being professionally investigated and burned at the stake at my place of employment. While that's mostly due to the overwhelming unjust vilification of men as a whole by SJWs, being grouped in with a troupe of slobbering mongoloids advocating gang raping a prominent celebrity for the crime of being mislead by more malicious puppet masters doesn't fucking help. You give these man-hating cunts a leg to stand on by saying this shit. Stop painting a target.
Reminds me of the story of a 15 year old boy, who had lied about his age to conscript. He fought in the Battle of Marne but had to be later discharged due to sickness. On his return he was handed one of these feathers by a group of girls, they giggled at his story. He went straight to the recruiting office to rejoin.
Paul is SO eloquent in his facts, especially when compared to the seeming majority of feminists you see on UA-cam! He does not speak from emotion, but pure logic. His channel and work is top class!
I live in New Zealand. An Uncle, my grandfathers brother was publicly shamed in this way, being handed a white feather on more than one occasion. He was a lay preacher his entire life and refused service as a conscientious objector. Conches' they called them. Many were penalised. Detained in work camps. Given hard labour etc.
Objecting to conscription First World War When conscription was introduced in 1916 the views of conscientious objectors -people who refused military service on political, religious or philosophical grounds - became a highly divisive public issue. Only Quakers, Christadelphians and, later, Seventh-day Adventists were automatically exempted from military service. Most other conscientious objectors were imprisoned for up to two years with hard labour, and sometimes returned to prison if they still refused to go to war. Fourteen especially determined conscientious objectors were forcibly shipped overseas and faced severe punishments - they included Archibald Baxter who later wrote about his experiences. At the end of the war New Zealand was the only country to deny conscientious objectors voting rights or employment in the public service or local bodies - for 10 years. Field Punishment No. 1 During the First World War Dunedin conscientious objector Archibald Baxter was forcibly shipped to the French front and repeatedly given ‘Field Punishment No. 1’, which involved being tied to a post in freezing conditions. His son, the poet James K. Baxter, later wrote: When I was only semen in a gland Or less than that, my father hung From a torture post at Mud Farm Because he would not kill. Second World War Conscription was introduced in 1940 and almost 5,000 men applied to appeal boards for exemption on conscientious grounds. Again, only practising Quakers and Christadelphians were automatically exempted. The remaining ‘conchies’ included fundamentalist Christians, Christian pacifists, and ethical and political objectors. About 800 were labelled ‘military defaulters’ and interned for the duration of the war in specially built camps in remote areas such as Whenuaroa (between Rotorua and Taupō), Shannon in Manawatū and Balmoral in north Canterbury. There they carried out basic farming and labouring jobs in work gangs. Some applied to carry out humanitarian work such as serving as medical orderlies, but this was refused. A number escaped, and others refused to obey orders and were imprisoned. After their release, all convicted defaulters were deprived of voting rights for 10 years. Barbed-wire university The almost 800 men held in detention camps during the Second World War were detained ‘for the duration of the war’, that is, for an indefinite period. To help each other cope with confinement and prepare for their release, the detainees organised a system of classes and study groups. Among the subjects on offer at Strathmore camp, south of Rotorua, were many European languages, Māori, religious studies, poetry, drama, music, history, psychology, sociology, economics, politics, anthropology, geology, biology and botany. Source: Te Ara. Encyclopaedia of New Zealand.
I have watched your movie 3 times. Everytime I discover something new, especially from Paul. Thanks for that movie and all you sacrifice. It has to be hard to be insulted and bullied by the huge legion of ignorant PC tyrants.
The Man On The Mountain - If 'insults and bullying' are all you've faced, you've sacrificed nothing. If all you've lost are the friendships of bigots and tyrants, I'd say you've sacrificed nothing also.
I read about this somewhere. The Order of the White Feather was particularly popular within the suffragist movement and the fact that they used shaming tactics to get men to go into war and lose their limbs or possibly lives just to avoid being seen as weak is...overwhelming. These issues need to be addressed. Thank you so much Cassie. Your documentary was heartbreaking.
This reminds me of the eye-opening experience I had when I read Dr. Warren Ferrell's book, and realised he was exactly right about how society is based on men being disposable. It wasn't feminism that invented it; it just made it far worse.
Some argue that feminism isn't a 'cause' but a symptom' of "Gynocentry" I disagree with this notion if not in the least on the basis of biological synergy between sexes but mostly because there is a difference between "use" and "abuse" Feminism certainly is abusing the position women have and the effort men are willing to give for them
@Nightdare There is a biological basis for gynocentrism, sure, but that does not account for the vast cultural change in the Late Middle Ages that changed our gender roles drastically and created gynocentrism in its modern sense, centuries before any feminist movement existed. It was reflected in the laws created, which were thoroughly sexist and anti-male, and in the culture, where men's lives had to revolve to a greater extent in attending to women's needs. This is why Charles Fourier considered it the marker of true civilisation, namely, the extent to which it is willing to service women's needs, and only women's needs.
erosmangr74 I would consider it happening at a later date The industrial revolution created more opportunity for female involvement in society Than was possible before
@Nightdare Modernity enabled women to participate more and enabled movements to take root and grow, including feminism, but the issue was not feminism, but rather gynocentric and misandric culture. You can read the legal codes from the Late Middle Ages and the Renaissance, or its literature, and the changes in terms of attitude towards men is very easy to notice. A cultural change occured then, without which feminism would never have happened.
Never, never ever let others see your weakness or you are finished as a man! I always am gentle with women, always avoid conflict and try to cooperate as much as I can. But several times in many years I was really sick, really helpless. My ex went mad to see me being of no use. I could see so much contempt and almost violence comming out, tried to take care of myself as much as I could. In another episode a poor man asked for help in her presence, I was about to support him, but she became mad and later admitted she almost lost control. I learned how to stay healthy even in difficult times, but I understand that there will be no mercy if I lose my strength. And asking for help is not an option for a man. You have to keep your bullet for yourself and use it well when the time comes when you feel you are a burden to someone... MGTOW is the only way - your chances of survival are higher, when you are alone... It would be nice to see children at least ocasionally, but of course the legal system send men to hell. No help here, your even asking for help can be used against you...
IzPopTime Yea bro it's astonishing. I've been reading Dr. Farrel's book the myth of male power it was published in 93 but it's like he wrote it in 2019
This has been going since before I was born and there's been push back the whole time. It's just now with the internet we can get information that isn't so totally controlled by the media gate keepers.
Hoehner Tim its come to a particularly pointed head now. At the beginning of this century. The west (us) have no other focuses, but "social issues". Edit: although youre right, I hadn't realized how outright screwed up Australian media is (as well as UKs and North America), until Cassie Jaye came around and exposed it.
I was on a caribbean Cruise and when we did the Emergency / Evacuation drill they said Woman first , my friend said "what happened to equality" It must have really sucked back in the day that if you were a 12 year old Boy you were considered a Man and had to go down with the Ship.
I heard that that happened in Britain during WWI. However, I never considered it in the context of men's rights, nor the implications that Paul Elam pointed out about the power of shame.
Paul touches on it but it still amazes me it isn't noticed more. The radical feminist, Democrat, Republican, ultra-religious, conservative, socialist, alt-right, communist stance on gender for most men's issues (domestic violence, family court, GM, conscription, education, suicide) is almost identical. Things like abortion rights are the exception not the rule. It was highlighted for me that amongst the extreme reactions to Trump being elected he managed to earn praise from all quarters, even the ones throwing the dictionary of bad words at him, for his stance to do more for women.
My grandad used to tell me stories about how his father was stationed at home as he made clothes for soldiers on the field and he received many feathers and threats from women telling him he should go fight. instead of ignoring the feathers, he would make dresses for men and women (as he was a designer and he made clothes in his free time) which featured caps with white feathers on them or dresses that had the feathers stitched to them like that of a dove and it became very popular in the town he lived to the point that the feather lost all meaning.
Men need to pick an issue. That issue is men’s health. Men in all countries must inform their respective legislatures (state, provincial, national) about men’s health relative to women’s: premature death (by 6 years in the US), murder victims (79%), suicide victims (80%), homeless (80%), workplace deaths (93%), workplace injuries (64%). The US government spends 2.4 times as more on breast cancer research than prostate cancer research though roughly the genders experience roughly the chance of contracting the respective diseases (1 in 7). Significantly more men die of Covid. We cannot wait for anyone’s permission. We must do it in the hundreds of thousands. Time has come today.
My grandfather was a conscientious objector during the WW2 in England. He would never talk about it because he was stigmatised as a coward for years later even though he spent the war rescuing people from burning buildings.
vodkaman1970 A Brtitish officer serving in Burma during WW2 reported that the American conscientious objectors serving as medics were the bravest men he had ever seen.
Paul has been a lone wolf in this campaign of education for a long time. While others of us who are educated to, and understand the issue remain mute, or only sheepishly raise the issues. Why? Fear of reprisal at work. Loss of business or reputation. Also - shaming. Great video. I certainly would be using my own name if it were not for the fear of all these consequences. Doesn't sound like equality does it?
Academia has also stifled research into women as perpretators of domestic violence, there has been a constant fight by feminists for many years to maintain the myth that domestic violence is a gendered crime only committed by men and is a consequence of male power.
The entire war against men that is occurring on College campuses is most definitely comparable to McCarthyism, and unfortunately it is so well established, and as Paul points out subject to our own biological and evolutionary bias. I can only hope that it can eventually be countered with facts. Sometimes facts are not enough.
That's why it is nice to be retired. I occasionally write a newspaper column regarding men's issues, call in on talk radio, and speak my mind when in mixed company when a woman tells me how tough they have it. NOW I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!
Symbol of cowardice. As a symbol of cowardice, the white feather supposedly comes from cockfighting and the belief that a cockerel sporting a white feather in its tail is likely to be a poor fighter. Pure-breed gamecocks do not show white feathers, so its presence indicates that the cockerel is an inferior cross-breed. World War I. In August 1914, at the start of the First World War, Admiral Charles Fitzgerald founded the Order of the White Feather with support from the prominent author Mrs Humphrey Ward. The organization aimed to shame men into enlisting in the British army by persuading women to present them with a white feather if they were not wearing a uniform. This was joined by some prominent feminists and suffragettes of the time, such as Emmeline Pankhurst and her daughter Christabel. They, in addition to handing out the feathers, also lobbied to institute an involuntary universal draft, which included those who lacked votes due to being too young or not owning property. While the true effectiveness of the campaign is impossible to judge, it did spread throughout several other nations in the Empire. In Britain it started to cause problems for the government when public servants and men in essential occupations came under pressure to enlist. This prompted the Home Secretary, Reginald McKenna, to issue employees in state industries with lapel badges reading "King and Country" to indicate that they too were serving the war effort. Likewise, the Silver War Badge, given to service personnel who had been honourably discharged due to wounds or sickness, was first issued in September 1916 to prevent veterans from being challenged for not wearing uniform. Anecdotes from the period indicates that the campaign was not popular amongst soldiers - not least because soldiers who were home on leave could find themselves presented with the feathers. One such was Private Ernest Atkins who was on leave from the Western Front. He was riding a tram when he was presented with a white feather by a girl sitting behind him. He smacked her across the face with his pay book saying: "Certainly I'll take your feather back to the boys at Passchendaele. I'm in civvies because people think my uniform might be lousy, but if I had it on I wouldn't be half as lousy as you." Source: A snippet from a Wikipedia page.
Cassie, thank you so much for doing what you do! You have been so gracious and brave! Truly an inspiration. You are changing the world, one heart at a time. Don't you forget it!
We have a politician in the UK who goes against his own party to try and get mens issues looked at. He's hanging on by his finger nails with all other parties now saying they will not split the vote so they can get him out.
Went down my local Australian RSL (Returned Services League) club to look at their museum. Pinned on the wall in the WW1 hospital display was a white feather. Next to it was a medal, on closer inspection it was a medal stating the wearer was either injured or unfit for service so he wasn't to be given a white feather. I have never thought of the link between white feather and white ribbon, but I do now.
What it doesn't say, but is easily available, is that in the UK the majority of men could not vote either. They had to own property to be able to vote. The few working class that could vote was an accident due to lazy landlords not submitting paperwork. Men were given the right to vote after WWI due to their sacrifice and continual sacrifice in the event of another war. Woman obtained the vote later only because so many men had died woman outnumbered men so it was deemed an unfair advantage. Woman probably wasn't even helped by the violent suffragette movement. Emmeline Pankhurst is seen as a figure of peace and the white feather campaign is erased from history and you only ever see her in a positive light.
Its almost hard to listen to thoughts Ive kept quiet for so long being expressed by another person. Gives me a dilemma, remain silent? or "speak my truth" as Oprah suggested (though I doubt this is the type of truth she is talking about)
England's Lord Kitchener "say's Enlist today" The British Empire never ran into anything like those German divisions, and lost an entire generation of Men & Boys and almost lost everything rather than trying to negotiate peace. In one Battle 60,000 British Soldiers were Killed in a single day, imagine more than were Killed in Vietnam , it was so brutal.
In Terry Pratchett's book "Jingo" the citystate of Ankh Morpork is once again going to war with Klatch. In the book there are also women going around giving out white feathers to young men not in uniform in order to get them to sign up for the war. However, one of the most iconic characters of the night watch corporal nobbs takes a very refreshing stance on that. He at one point states to a buddy of his that he'll "soon have enough feathers for a new feather pillow".
OK I see several comments missing the point. Elam's point is to draw a close analogy between the White Feathers and the modern-day "White Ribbon Campaign"; the latter in my humble, is a smelly piece of Farcical Sheite. Elam misses the genesis of the White Feathers, but gets his point across at 10:00 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather
The symbol of the white feather should be reclaimed, not as a sign of cowardice, but as a symbol of masculist rebellion, of rejecting society's oppressive expectations placed upon men.
I learnt about the white feather campaign from my aunt rose who was a suffragette, and took part in the campaign and gave out white feathers . Somewhere in the house I have a small enamel badge she had from the organisation . They used to get women to swear that they would never date a man who wouldn't fight . She was engaged to a young man who died in ww1 and lived the rest of her life as a spinster . one of the Pankhurst sisters Sylvia, opposed the campaign and only recently has a statue in London all the other sisters were honoured with statues in or close to parliament
How it came up in conversation was I started collecting badges I would guess I was 10 or younger and I'm nearly 60 now, and my aunt was living with us and had the badge and other badges which she gave me for my collection and told me what it was for . otherwise I would have never heard about it or knew she was involved
"Our culture", tradition and religion is "the right one". We must sacrifice ourselves, like Alpha males of many species fighting for dominance. We delude ourselves that we are in the center of the universe, created by the deity of the universe, and are so special we will live for eternity if we have sacrificed sufficiently. This provides enormous narcissistic supply and turns us into the equivalent of soldier and worker ants to capture resources for "our side".
Yes to a man it's an honorable thing to protect the tribe his Culture his legacy - a future hope for his children or for even his brothers children to risk his life to try to preserve what is good and honorable for future Generations
Loving the red pill raw files! The film was excellent, these are unexpected little jems. Im a little gutted i missed you when in england but i know you meet lots of decent people here. Whats next cassie?
4:43 "rightfully so". I am not so sure about that, just look at the last 70~80 years and say again that those vile beings really deserve anything at all.
Their tactics have NOT changed. . . Have listened to the vid but I know too much about Pankhurst. . . A large quantity of British volunteers and conscripts did NOT have the vote at the time. LOW KUNTS. Really does illustrate the true potential of women.
Another informative video Cassie, do you think you will release a director's cut version of the documentary? I honestly want more footage of the feminist side to be seen by more people, so that I can ask more feminist to take responsibility for the damage their movement created. On another topic, I have been thinking of a way to use the white feather movement as a way to call out feminist, remove the notion that the suffrage movement was consists of civil right saints, raise more awareness of men's issues, and as a bonus using the original intention of the movement and mark those who had been avoiding debates(intellectual battles in a way) as cowards (the irony would be ever so delicious). The current version I'm thinking of is similar to the "It's ok to be white" event. Where people would put a white feather in progressive/sjw/feminist spaces with some short but powerful message. I am thinking of using the same message as the original movement where the word "coward" slap on the feather or on the paper attached to the feather, follow by a reminder of history with the phrase "a courtesy from the Order of the White Feather". I don't expect such an act will have the same impact as the "it's ok to be white" event. Seriously, that hit such a sweet spot to bring out the hidden racists and narcissists, it was marvelous to observe. I also do not think that the act will has as much as an impact in the U.S and other places as it would has in the U.K. However, the point is to provoke anger in the receiver and curiosity from the "normies" as a way to slip in a slice of knowledge that disrupt the current narrative and grease the way for more reception to men's issues.
The original release IS the director's cut, since Cassie is both the director and primary producer, on top of everything else. Now if you mean an _extended_ version, that includes all the cut footage, well... Cassie had over 100 hours of footage. The whole point of these RPRF videos is so that all that unused footage can be presented in just the manner you want. If you want more footage of the feminists' arguments, all you have to do is be patient.
@ Jakk Frost - Thanks for the clarification on the director's cut thing, I kinda have a sense of what it mean, but never have a reason to look for the clear definition. True, the entire 100+ hours of interview is too much for any form of cinema. Though I do think that maybe someone can stitch together the footage from these interviews, with Cassie's permission, to show the responses of leading(?) feminists to men's issues, maybe a back to back with footage of the MRA naming the issue follow by feminist response to that issue. With what I understand about the human psyche, the less time a person see the presented topic and the response the less time they have to put up their defenses to cognitive dissonance and have to face the information head on.
@Thomas Oconnor - The entire point of the plan is to use a tool utilize by the proto-feminist(?), ehh... sufferagette, and turn it on the present day feminist. Primarily to allow them a taste of their medicine, attract the attention of the public about a stain in the history of feminism that had been forgotten, and then use the momentum from that attention to direct it at a current problem continue to face male today, namely the government leash know as the "Draft". The second and third part will most likely peter out quickly unless someone who sympathize with men issue and talented at spinning media attention to turn that wave into a tsunami. But the first part is where I will get most of my enjoyment. By rubbing feminists face with their predecessors skid mark. I will apologize for using you as a jumping point Thomas, but your comment is a good example of the responses a lot of men have after getting "red pilled". Frustrated, angry, and wanting to throw the issues in people faces while screaming at them to recognize it. That kind of responses tend to have people focus on the emotion of the responses and not the substances, as such they will react to the emotion and not the information. I would take a guess that the "infamous" article on punching a woman that follow Paul Elam's public reputation may had been written in the same manner: an article written with frustration and maybe even anger weave into it. My advice, if you want to read it, is to follow an old saying "don't get mad, get even" channel your frustration and anger into energy, approach things with a sound mind, and outplay your opponent at their own game, "speak softly, but carry a big stick" - paraphrasing a quote from Teddy Roosevelt- walk up to your opponent with a calm and collected voice, but make sure that what you say hit the points dead on, and your actions be louder than any shrieking they can muster. I know it sound like a bunch vague metaphor, but put some thought to it, and to your actions.
thomas oconnor - I think it is fine to present fact unapologetically. In fact, it is strange that you have to apologize for the truth in any way. I do want to point to a psychological phenomenon know as the "backfire effect", where being present with information contrary to their own personal beliefs, instead of rethinking their beliefs, people can double down on the beliefs as a defense to cognitive dissonance. I do think when you present the fact about men issue, do so with firm stand as you are presenting the undeniable truth of the matter. However, by throwing the information straight in their faces, you can trigger the "backfire effect" in people, turning your arguments into the equivalent of a siege battle, and those are thrice as difficult as a regular battle (I use the Art of War as a life philosophy, so these kind of metaphor will pop up often). I did saw the clip when Warren show his frustrations (I set a high bar for what can be consider anger), and it is a powerful sight to see a kind and gentle person like Warren express his frustrations like that. The concept of "big stick" in the Teddy Roosevelt quote refer to doing things that make significant impact, so he saying he may speak politely, but he can make significant things happen. As far as how I am approaching the fight for men's right? By applying the primary rule to win battles: to know myself and know the enemies. Also by applying my own twist on one of Karen Straughan's advice on talking with people about the issues: don't going into it trying to convince people, present to them the undeniable fact of the injustices happening around them, you may not sway the person you are talking to, but you just might get those around them. I always try to understand men's issues, not just the fact that I can throw at people, but why it happen and what maintaining it. I also always try to understand the oppositions, how they see me and how they going about to oppose what I do. With Feminist, they are Crusaders, those who believe the righteousness of their cause keep them from ever questioning their actions, being led by Sophists, those who twist the truth for profits/personal gain. This series can serve as proof for this observation on the movement. You won't be able to convince the Sophists because they are not blind, only manipulative. However, the arguments of the Sophists are flaws, as they are twisted truths, and you can hang them, metaphorically speaking, with their own arguments and open the eyes of the Crusaders. As I said before, approach Feminists not with the intention to convince them, but to show the undeniable truth about men's issues and turn any flaw arguments by the Feminists into a noose to hang them with it. As an example, they built their platform on the claim of gender equality, that is a mighty big rope by itself, and it can easily be turn on them. Lure them to spout proudly and loudly that they fight for "gender equality" then turn that proclamation on them by asking them where were they when men suffered by the hand of women: what did they do in response to the #maletear, where were their protests when a thirteen years old boy have to pay child support to his rapists, where were their outrage when a woman ruin dozens of men's life by falsely accuse them of sexual charges, ask them to show you their proof of registration for the draft and ask them if the government had threaten them with denial of social services for not signing up for it. I will show them the hypocrisy of their movement, by turning its tenants on them. They can choose to change course before it too late or they go off the cliff with it. For you Thomas, I would ask if you would consider a new approach, to not press people with the facts, but to ask them the question they should had been asking for a long time now. To lead them to the truth, by asking them the right questions. As a bit of evidence on how effective this might be, I would ask if you had seen the "Red Pill Interviews" channel, if not, I would suggest you take a look at it.
thomas oconnor - I think some clarification on my mention of using the Art of War as a life philosophy. Although the book was written in the context of warfare. Sun Tzu specifically discourage engaging in conflict as the primary strategy. Indeed, the point of the book is to go to war with the utmost efficiency with as little conflict and damage to both side as possible. Furthermore, many things in the book remain valid even when strip of their original context. As an example, "If you know yourself and know the opposition, then you will win every battle" this advice can apply just as well to hiking as it applied to warfare; knowing your own strength and weakness (e.g how far can you walk before tired, how much rest you need before walking again)and knowing what you will be facing (e.g. how many hill you will cross, what the weather is going to be like, etc.) will allow for the right planning to ensure success in your hiking goal. While I find your role play amusing, it confirm what I worry about what would happen when approaching these subjects from an emotional place (though that is on par with youtube comment, I am not surprise, just a bit disappointed). Your comment on the alleged plan of deception by the past feminists (alleged because there was no presented solid evidence), along with your comparison to Sun Tzu's skill in deception, and your role play are hyperbole statements propping feminists as the antagonist of the narrative. Highlighting the damages they causes and name dropping concepts that describes ongoing phenomenon (with no mention of statistical scale, which I assume because you want them to be seen, or at least personally seen them, as completely pervasive) have little value now as they are echoes constantly by those around these parts long enough. I am guessing that you are opening with a briefing in a snarky jabbing tone at the opposition. As briefing, they are near useless as it severely lack precision to give a clear assessment of the situation, and while the tone is easily establish: "the opposition is bad because they hurt us and they only think of themselves", the opposition is not even identify (it is assume from past conversation sure, but I dislike the nebulous cloud of evil being paint here because it does not ground the conversation in reality). Even if I hold it to the standard of a propaganda, it is mediocre as best; it lack emotional drive; the picture of the opposition is vague; it lack emphasis. If you want this conversation to be of any real value to anyone, me, you, or anyone else reading it, take it seriously (I know, youtube comment, laughable, but I have a sliver of hope), approach it as you would approach a physical problem, assess it with clear, evident, and real information, the opposition is not a nebulous force, they are grounded beings, as such they can be understand, this is not an us versus them approach, this is a mechanic approach, fixing a solid problem, with solid solutions, this is not about insulting the opposition or taking them down a peg, this is providing tools to help avoid or counter incoming harms. Lastly, it is a sychronicity moment that you brought up the story of how Sun Tzu came to be the King's Commander of the Army, as I find it to be a very useful tool to snuff out biases from people. To provide context to those who don't know (and willing to keep reading this wall of text), Sun Tzu proved his talent as a commander to the King by offer to train all of the King's concubine into a military unit capable of performing marching drills (this is ancient China, so the King's concubine, harem for those not familiar with the word, is large enough for a platoon). When Sun Tzu first start training them, he divided them into rank and files just like a standard military unit, with the popular mistresses as officers, and start giving them instruction on how to march as an army. As one would expect from mistresses of the KING (who reasonably expected to never have to do any manual labor for the rest of their life, let alone military drill), they ignore him and do not perform the drill. Sun Tzu said "if the soldiers does not perform their duty, then the general did not give clear enough instructions", so he repeat his instructions, slower, clearer, and louder. The concubines did not perform the drill this times either, so Sun Tzu said "if the general gave clear instruction and the soldiers still fail in their duty, then the officers fail to discipline theirs charges and must take responsibility". So he orders the concubines acting as officers to death, by beheading, despite the protest from the King not wanting to lose his favorite mistresses. The beheading get carry out, the rest of the concubine get in line, and the king witness his mistresses perform military marching as well as any train soldiers. The original intent of the story is to demonstrate the talent of Sun Tzu and information on his character as a no non-sense commander. If you read the story with an egalitarian mindset, then you can see that Sun Tzu treat the women as he would treat any soldiers under his command; he didn't care they were women; he didn't hold the belief that women is not capable of performing the task simply because they were women. Also, that women at the very least can form rank and file and capable of military marching drills (which is more complex than it look, and can be very taxing depend on how long the drill. Those reading it with bias will not notice that. The feminists will claim Sun Tzu is a misogynist because he committed violence against women. Those with bias like you Thomas see the beheading of a bunch of pamper women as fitting or satisfying because it feel like payback to the suffering women caused men. I warn you about such bias thomas, as they can make you to be just as much of a monster as you make your enemy out to be. Truly know yourself and truly know your opposition if you want to succeed in correcting the injustices to men.
Cassie Jay your an amazing woman, Producer, Director and I like that you realized the truth that men have it worse then women do! I bought your fin on iTunes and have seen it 40+ times just because it hits hard especially on the custody issue! I’m so glad I seen this video I know there was only so much you could fit in the film I like your videos! Please keep them coming!
Spot on. I hate it a lot of the time, but the instinct to assist & protect women has always been there within me. It is an instinct that is wasted in todays world
I know it is hard to fight. Not only because she is female but I consider myself a decent human being. If someone is behind me I always hold the door for them whether that person is male or female, it is simple courtesy. Sometimes though I would like to slam the door in a woman's face. There are good women, last year I was on a flight and upon arriving home I was going down the escalator with my luggage and I almost tripped. I am 77 and when this young lady behind me saw this she came right up to help, grabbed my bag and carried it down the escalator. When I told her I didn't need any help she insisted. As a man it is hard for me to accept help from a woman, over seventy years of programming does that.
uk don't forget nearly all of those young men died never having the vote. 1918 Representation of the People Act enfranchising eight million women, more than five million men suddenly became eligible too.
Just listened to a female writer ( Joyce Maynard ) who was labelled shameless by a bunch of publishers ...shrugging her shoulders with a smile she questioned, " ... and like that's a bad thing to be?" ... think maybe us guys should sign up for one of her classes at : www.creativelive.com/class/writing-your-story-joyce-maynard ... or we can just emulate Frank in the Netflix series ' Shameless' - check it out - it's actually very insightfully entertaining ... surprised it isn't banned yet?
E.Belfort Bax's work, for all of his acumen and eloquence, didn't hold up thanks to his embrace of early psychological theories on women being inherently inferior to men mentally along with his enthusiasm for Marxism. Much as I've learned from and admire Elam's efforts, he doesn't seem to recognize the irony in railing against relational aggression by women against their male partners then resorting to "satire" that's little more than passive aggressive "Hey, come look at me" schtick. He's likened himself to Malcolm X on more than one occasion, and I encourage every interest in MRA to read Manning Marable's book on MX/just how effective he was before we, en masse, decide to pursue the approach perpetuated by A Voice For Men.
urban dictionary says luap means To lead a person on thinking that they have a chance in starting a relationship with you, and paul elam's name backwards is male luap. Whoa! Or maybe it doesn't mean anything.
Sadly the full scene is no longer on youtube, but this is the part that really gets the point across. From "The Americanization of Emily" ua-cam.com/video/reUstMn4bM8/v-deo.html
I must admit that when I saw your video "Meeting the Enemy", I didn't trust you. I thought, "once a feminist, always a feminist. She'll come full circle and be, once again, the enemy of man". I am starting to doubt that position and thank you for helping to get the message out that men could use a little help. You are quickly becoming one of my heroes in adult life.
It's really amusing that the shaming of men by women is rapidly losing it's impact (for red pill men at least), as more men shine the light on the perceived monster in the cellar and realise it is at best a mouse with a megaphone!
he is probebly the god of men's rights everything he says is spot on and what Ive heard is that he honestly wants equality REAL equality not femenist equality. And I remember the Emma watson stuff OMFG when I heard that I burnt up every harry potter movie and book I had. talk about going from Hero to Zero
The Bible also supported (or at least mentioned) slavery, stoning of people under religious law, the treatment of women as property/currency between families and the commercialization of religious institutions for the benefit of the priests/congregation. Not to mention it also does have the benefit of being "the best hits of the disciples" (and everything not "kosher" being left out of it). Kinda defeats the purpose of being a holy book of instruction when it's only half a book and it gets to choose what goes in and what is being left out - most Christians don't even know their Bibles have many additional chapters that can easily be purchased. :P Not to mention plenty of people used the Bible to reinforce their confirmation bias as opposed to living the Word of God? ;)
Wage Gap- we've all heard of it. What about the spending gap? Heard of that? Most of us work - why? To have money to spend. The spending is the aim of working not the work. Women claim they have less money from working - true. But do they have less money to spend? What do the owners of retail stores think? Go down to your local mall - are the more stores, more floor space, more items aimed at women or men? Can't decide? Count the number of women and the number of men shopping. Somewhere between 60%-80% of space is dedicated to women's spending by the retail store owners! What? Why would the store owners dedicate most space to those with the least money to spend? It makes no sense, unless, unless women have more money to spend than men do! The spending gap! How is this economic miracle achieved? Women are spending their money and some of the men's money! Who is more oppressed - the person spending money they did not earn, or the person working so that someone else c a n spend what he earns?
My discovery of the Order of the White Feather is where I severed what little ideological tie I could still have left with Feminism by the end of 2014.
A man is not allowed to be weak. For all we like to consider ourselved a highly cultured and advanced society, we haven't budged anything like as much as we think with regard to preconceptions of men and our role in society and the family unit. There is no disputing that throughout history men have been responsible for the supression of women, but What seems to be less known, or at least openly acknowledged, is that men have sytematically perpetuated a form of self opression through successive generations. Only now do we finally seem to be questioning our 'traditional' role, but many are intimidated by the notion of exposing what they regard as a weakness - to appear not to be confident or in control. The internal conflict, insecurity and pressure that builds in the mind because of this can be a lot more damaging than we like to admit. It is so ingrained in our psyche that trying to break away from it is like abandoning yourself to the unknown. Been there, done that, still fighting...
Can you give examples of how women were suppressed by men in western culture? I'm not greatly educated on history but it seems that women have always had privilege over men since the dawn of time. Everything men do is for their wives and or children. Men die to protect them, men go to work in some of the most dangerous jobs you could imagine to provide for their women. How can men be blamed for the "suppression of women"?
Ross Graver well for starters being property and the "natural" spoils of war. Men have been trying to prevent women ownership of their own bodies and their rights to their children for thousands of years. That being said the role reversal in terms of men not having access to their children is also wrong and I have heard feminists try to justify it and it sickens me. I don't blame all men, but the ones we put in power I sure do.
I refer only to some of the more obvious and uncontestable social equalities denied to women historically. The right to vote for instance, is one of the most obvious. I'm not interested in fighting a rear guard defence for the inequalities of the past. I want to see more possitive progression for both in our future.
Feminism is clearly just the distorted continuation of traditionalism after a civilization develops beyond the need for survival roles. People get hit with the reverberation of trauma, and react based on old gender roles in a new world. As civilization gets better, men's jobs get better thanks to their fathers' and grandfathers' dedication and creativity. Women who are married to fortunate men in these increasingly nicer positions get restless and bored with being a housewife. The husbands are used to being in service, the wives used to being taken care of. Feminism ensues with people lacking the introspection and awakeness necessary to see how they could heal from trauma, end the cycles of abuse, and thrive. Sadly, feminism alongside other authoritarian trauma-driven ideologies drags down society. Too many people respond terribly if their life is too easy and disconnected from purpose. An easy life is not a good life.
Mary Augusta Ward was a novelist and became the founding President of the Women's National Anti-Suffrage League. But I guess technical if you ignore the anti part then she could be a suffragette.
The culture isn't indifferent to men's and boys' issues. It is HOSTILE to them.
@thomas oconnor same
Hopefully hostility doesn’t in turn create more hostility
@@ALJ9000TOO late for that,........🤔
@@SchrödingersMath Has there been violence committed in the name of Men’s Rights?
@@ALJ9000 possibly....there has been violence committed in the name of Every thing...🙄.,.look at the Mostly peaceful protests after George Floyd was killed....No violence there , Right....?
I'll take a red pill over a white feather any day
I’d light one of those feathers in my hand if that ever happened to me
The white feather is a way women who are too cowardly to risk their own lives shame men into spending theirs.
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That's something I've been saying for a long time now: women have always had power. It's just that throughout history, women's power has generally been more covert, "the power behind the throne". Conversely, men's power has generally been more overt, which ultimately puts them in the line of fire, often literally, and that throne makes a pretty good shield for the one behind it.
The Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire plays heavily off of this
+thomas oconnor ~ I didn't remove it, but it's not in this thread. It was in reply to someone else's thread that you also commented on.
+thomas oconnor Cersei Lannister plays heavily off of this because of issues with the System. Lady Tyrell does it super effectively. Concubines, queens, and empresses have heavily done this as well as Upper Class Women throughout history.
+UnexpectedWonder ~ Indeed it does.
+thomas oconnor ~ Although now, looking at that thread, my comment is indeed missing for some reason... I've had comments get eaten by youtube so others can't see it but I still can, so this is something different when I can't even see my own comment.
A Canadian friend tells me his grandfather was presented with a white feather while on a tram in Canada. He looked the woman in the eye and said very loudly, "thanks lady, I'll pin it to my wooden leg!". He rolled up his trouser leg, exposing his wooden leg (lost in a childhood accident) and proudly pinned it there. She ran away then but she was "brave" enough to confront a seemingly healthy man and present him with the badge of cowardice, to shame him into joining the army.
During WWI, Australia was the ONLY Allied country in WWI to not have conscription. The government tried twice to impose it by referendum and it failed both times. The leading exponent for the YES case was a woman. On the plus side, the leading exponent for the NO vote was also a woman.
At least some of them weren’t completely entitled
Its shameful that we gave these same women the vote
The white feather campaign is for me, one of the most powerful refutations of the feminist claim that women were oppressed in the past. The white feather campaign took place in Britain throughout the First World War (1914-18) , a war which claimed the lives of 800,000 British men (think 14 Vietnams in a country with a population one quarter of that of the US, at the time of the Vietnam war) and left millions more maimed (blinded, missing limbs, driven insane by what they experienced) for life.
I'd like to ask feminists this: What sort of oppression is it, that allows the so called oppressed class (women) to publicly humiliate the so called oppressor class (men), so that they are shamed into volunteering for what it's no exaggeration to say, was mass slaughter or a living hell?
Paul Jackson Oh it gets better:
The Suffragettes had been nothing but trouble, attacking businesses, storming Parliament, bombing homes and train stations and planning at least one assassination attempt. Suddenly they were handing out white feathers to boys as young as 10 years old and they were no longer an issue.
Here's the really sickening part: Most of the men and boys (there were plenty of underage boys who volunteered to fight, including an ancestor of mine who joined at 15) who fought and died in that war didn't have the right to vote because they didn't own land.
The Suffragettes didn't give a damn about those men and boys they sent to die in the trenches.
Nice try, but facts, evidence and reason are just tools of the patriarchy.
@2thinkcritically Very true. One thing that I forgot to mention too was that conscription (the draft) was introduced in 1916, but the white feathering of men who were deemed unfit for service and of underage boys, continued throughout the war.
@ thomas oconnor Women today have the damned nerve to say that women fought and died at that time to get the vote. The only woman who died was a silly bitch who I won't bother to name, who fell under a horse at a race track trying to fix a suffragette banner to it. It's widely believed among historians that British suffragettes actually held back the extension of the franchise to women with their campaign of vandalism, arson and bombings.
Emmilene Pankhurst campaigned for conscription to be introduced to force young men into fighting, many of whom did not have the right to vote and so were completely powerless.
Equality my arse!
In that same war, men who were suffering sever mental illness as a result of the war (shell shock or ptsd) were executed when they refused to return to the fight.
I recently found out from an Aunt that my Grandfather was targeted by these cows and given a white feather on his way to work one day. He was an Engineer and his job was considered "Essential War Work" so he was exempt from joining the military. Not that it mattered to these clowns.
Paul Elam starts talking about the White Feather Campaign around the 7:00 mark.
There are many topics and talking points I wish The Red Pill movie could have included, and the White Feather Campaign is definitely one of them.
I thought this would be a good Raw File to release since in Ep. 24 ua-cam.com/video/wQr-XGM6vQo/v-deo.html Ms. Magazine's Katherine Spillar argued that war has been the result of men's decisions and that feminists had always been a part of the peace movements. Also, in last week's Raw File, Ep.25 ua-cam.com/video/NdLXnYJjd6w/v-deo.html, men's rights advocate Fred Hayward talked about men's fear of being drafted during the Vietnam War while feminist activists were holding up signs saying "my body, my choice" (in regards to women's reproductive rights).
Since most people have never heard of the White Feather Campaign, I think this is a clear example of how our modern-day society has had the blinders on when discussing historical gender issues.
Excellent sequence, Cassie! I just wish Spillar could A: see them, and B: actually get the points being made that highlight her cognitive malfeasance. Sadly, the latter is impossible, and the former is not bloody likely.
I am so grateful for your willingness to actually listen to what these men & women have to say.
My Grandfather was in WW one, I have His Doughboy Helmet. He never spoke a word about it , He was such a wonderful Man and was the Saviour of my Grandmother who had a horrible life as a young Irish Immigrant Girl , She was younger and for his whole life He let Her be the boss, when He died She instantly lost her mind and will to live, But we found Photos of Him and other Soldiers and the fields of France where as far as you could see there wasn't even a piece of Grass, He was like a Skeleton, he looked like a death Camp survivor, they had to eat Rats that were feeding on the Corpses, Americans were so well supplied , but there were times nothing could get to them. the Carnage was beyond belief, the rotting corpses of Men & Horses , the most hideous maimings & Injuries (not to mention the new phenomenon of "Shell Shock" especially Naval Guns what they can do to the mind) Mustard Gas was so awful they used to Shoot their own Men out of mercy, Imagine having to do that? It haunted him, he went every day of His life to Church (being Irish Catholic)to help deal with it. He never exhibited the agony of it, never even raised his voice.
Sometimes as many Men were Killed in two days as were Killed in all of the Vietnam War.
I couldn't get a Drivers License until I signed up for Selective Service, I couldn't take the Civil Service exam for Boston Firefighter without proof I signed up and so on , couldn't do anything.
I remember when I was a Kid in 1969 and a Navy Jeep pulled up to our House (a Triple Decker / 3 Family ) and they kicked in our Door by mistake, they shoved the Boston Cops out of the way, they were looking for our landlady's Boy who went awol from the Marines, not that He was a Coward, he just couldn't Kill another person.
Thank You so much Cassie for everything you are doing! I appreciate you for all your efforts.
Emma Watson needs to watch this entire video series. Maybe then she'll finally get it. They way I see it is there are two main camps of modern feminism: one of naivety, and one of malice. Watson is the poster girl for the camp of naivety, of which Cassie was once a part of. Chanty Binx, aka "Big Red" is the embodiment of female spite. If enough of the prominent naive feminists actually open their eyes and preach true equality they would have a movement worth fighting for. HeForShe, a campaign championed by Watson, is just more "white feather" waving.
Jay Besser Ever noticed how violent Emma Watson's Harry Potter character was towards male characters in the movies? She even mentioned how good it felt in an interview. She's in need of some self-reflection.
Well didn't she say she was doing research to understand where the disparity is? I wonder how that went.
Well said Jay!!!
ben nichols While you're absolutely correct that Big Daddy Government shafts men on a daily basis and the divorce courts are shambolic, screeching out this Incel shite about women deserving to be raped is fucking retarded and completely undermines any semblance of progress in the movement.
How the fuck are we supposed to be taken seriously if any feminist can load up this video, check literally any comment section and see hatemongering bitter lunatics like yourself saying they deserve to be raped. Nobody wants to listen to your whinging, so man up and develop a cogent argument for fuck's sake.
You're the male equivalent of a #KillAllMen feminist.
ben nichols Please, by all means; let smarter people solve your issues for you rather than being an active detriment to a movement with your best interests at hand.
If Cassie Jaye was able to escape the rabid Feminist Echo Chamber, then there's (albeit slim) hope for all of them.
And the reason I have to use a fake name is because I can't publically express my support for groups like this without the risk of being professionally investigated and burned at the stake at my place of employment.
While that's mostly due to the overwhelming unjust vilification of men as a whole by SJWs, being grouped in with a troupe of slobbering mongoloids advocating gang raping a prominent celebrity for the crime of being mislead by more malicious puppet masters doesn't fucking help.
You give these man-hating cunts a leg to stand on by saying this shit. Stop painting a target.
"if women would decide that they want men who walk on their hands, it would become an olympic sport" is what warren farrell calls this i think.
Reminds me of the story of a 15 year old boy, who had lied about his age to conscript. He fought in the Battle of Marne but had to be later discharged due to sickness. On his return he was handed one of these feathers by a group of girls, they giggled at his story. He went straight to the recruiting office to rejoin.
Sad for him. I wish he could've understood that inherently he means more than any parasite does.
Men need to learn to love themselves and it will be all the armour they need to fend off these passive aggressive tactics
Paul is SO eloquent in his facts, especially when compared to the seeming majority of feminists you see on UA-cam! He does not speak from emotion, but pure logic. His channel and work is top class!
I live in New Zealand. An Uncle, my grandfathers brother was publicly shamed in this way, being handed a white feather on more than one occasion. He was a lay preacher his entire life and refused service as a conscientious objector. Conches' they called them. Many were penalised. Detained in work camps. Given hard labour etc.
WWI. it was common throughout the British colonies at the time, including Australia and Canada.
Objecting to conscription
First World War
When conscription was introduced in 1916 the views of conscientious objectors -people who refused military service on political, religious or philosophical grounds - became a highly divisive public issue. Only Quakers, Christadelphians and, later, Seventh-day Adventists were automatically exempted from military service. Most other conscientious objectors were imprisoned for up to two years with hard labour, and sometimes returned to prison if they still refused to go to war. Fourteen especially determined conscientious objectors were forcibly shipped overseas and faced severe punishments - they included Archibald Baxter who later wrote about his experiences. At the end of the war New Zealand was the only country to deny conscientious objectors voting rights or employment in the public service or local bodies - for 10 years.
Field Punishment No. 1
During the First World War Dunedin conscientious objector Archibald Baxter was forcibly shipped to the French front and repeatedly given ‘Field Punishment No. 1’, which involved being tied to a post in freezing conditions. His son, the poet James K. Baxter, later wrote:
When I was only semen in a gland
Or less than that, my father hung
From a torture post at Mud Farm
Because he would not kill.
Second World War
Conscription was introduced in 1940 and almost 5,000 men applied to appeal boards for exemption on conscientious grounds. Again, only practising Quakers and Christadelphians were automatically exempted. The remaining ‘conchies’ included fundamentalist Christians, Christian pacifists, and ethical and political objectors.
About 800 were labelled ‘military defaulters’ and interned for the duration of the war in specially built camps in remote areas such as Whenuaroa (between Rotorua and Taupō), Shannon in Manawatū and Balmoral in north Canterbury. There they carried out basic farming and labouring jobs in work gangs. Some applied to carry out humanitarian work such as serving as medical orderlies, but this was refused. A number escaped, and others refused to obey orders and were imprisoned. After their release, all convicted defaulters were deprived of voting rights for 10 years.
Barbed-wire university
The almost 800 men held in detention camps during the Second World War were detained ‘for the duration of the war’, that is, for an indefinite period. To help each other cope with confinement and prepare for their release, the detainees organised a system of classes and study groups. Among the subjects on offer at Strathmore camp, south of Rotorua, were many European languages, Māori, religious studies, poetry, drama, music, history, psychology, sociology, economics, politics, anthropology, geology, biology and botany.
Source: Te Ara. Encyclopaedia of New Zealand.
I have watched your movie 3 times. Everytime I discover something new, especially from Paul. Thanks for that movie and all you sacrifice. It has to be hard to be insulted and bullied by the huge legion of ignorant PC tyrants.
The Man On The Mountain - If 'insults and bullying' are all you've faced, you've sacrificed nothing. If all you've lost are the friendships of bigots and tyrants, I'd say you've sacrificed nothing also.
I agree why are we not at war with the United States for human rights violations
@@newsomsr2000 Because according to feminists, that’s “supporting the concept of the patriarchy”
Movie name?
I read about this somewhere. The Order of the White Feather was particularly popular within the suffragist movement and the fact that they used shaming tactics to get men to go into war and lose their limbs or possibly lives just to avoid being seen as weak is...overwhelming. These issues need to be addressed.
Thank you so much Cassie. Your documentary was heartbreaking.
This reminds me of the eye-opening experience I had when I read Dr. Warren Ferrell's book, and realised he was exactly right about how society is based on men being disposable. It wasn't feminism that invented it; it just made it far worse.
Some argue that feminism isn't a 'cause' but a symptom' of "Gynocentry"
I disagree with this notion if not in the least on the basis of biological synergy between sexes
but mostly because there is a difference between "use" and "abuse"
Feminism certainly is abusing the position women have and the effort men are willing to give for them
@Nightdare There is a biological basis for gynocentrism, sure, but that does not account for the vast cultural change in the Late Middle Ages that changed our gender roles drastically and created gynocentrism in its modern sense, centuries before any feminist movement existed.
It was reflected in the laws created, which were thoroughly sexist and anti-male, and in the culture, where men's lives had to revolve to a greater extent in attending to women's needs. This is why Charles Fourier considered it the marker of true civilisation, namely, the extent to which it is willing to service women's needs, and only women's needs.
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I would consider it happening at a later date
The industrial revolution created more opportunity for female involvement in society
Than was possible before
@Nightdare Modernity enabled women to participate more and enabled movements to take root and grow, including feminism, but the issue was not feminism, but rather gynocentric and misandric culture.
You can read the legal codes from the Late Middle Ages and the Renaissance, or its literature, and the changes in terms of attitude towards men is very easy to notice. A cultural change occured then, without which feminism would never have happened.
@@erosmangr74 What happened in the Middle Ages?
Never, never ever let others see your weakness or you are finished as a man! I always am gentle with women, always avoid conflict and try to cooperate as much as I can. But several times in many years I was really sick, really helpless. My ex went mad to see me being of no use. I could see so much contempt and almost violence comming out, tried to take care of myself as much as I could. In another episode a poor man asked for help in her presence, I was about to support him, but she became mad and later admitted she almost lost control. I learned how to stay healthy even in difficult times, but I understand that there will be no mercy if I lose my strength. And asking for help is not an option for a man. You have to keep your bullet for yourself and use it well when the time comes when you feel you are a burden to someone... MGTOW is the only way - your chances of survival are higher, when you are alone... It would be nice to see children at least ocasionally, but of course the legal system send men to hell. No help here, your even asking for help can be used against you...
Weird how these interviews which took place mid 2013, were ahead of its time in 2017/2018
IzPopTime Yea bro it's astonishing. I've been reading Dr. Farrel's book the myth of male power it was published in 93 but it's like he wrote it in 2019
This has been going since before I was born and there's been push back the whole time. It's just now with the internet we can get information that isn't so totally controlled by the media gate keepers.
Hoehner Tim its come to a particularly pointed head now. At the beginning of this century. The west (us) have no other focuses, but "social issues". Edit: although youre right, I hadn't realized how outright screwed up Australian media is (as well as UKs and North America), until Cassie Jaye came around and exposed it.
I was on a caribbean Cruise and when we did the Emergency / Evacuation drill they said Woman first , my friend said "what happened to equality" It must have really sucked back in the day that if you were a 12 year old Boy you were considered a Man and had to go down with the Ship.
I heard that that happened in Britain during WWI. However, I never considered it in the context of men's rights, nor the implications that Paul Elam pointed out about the power of shame.
Paul touches on it but it still amazes me it isn't noticed more. The radical feminist, Democrat, Republican, ultra-religious, conservative, socialist, alt-right, communist stance on gender for most men's issues (domestic violence, family court, GM, conscription, education, suicide) is almost identical. Things like abortion rights are the exception not the rule. It was highlighted for me that amongst the extreme reactions to Trump being elected he managed to earn praise from all quarters, even the ones throwing the dictionary of bad words at him, for his stance to do more for women.
I never heard of that story. That's a great little nugget of knowledge right there.
My grandad used to tell me stories about how his father was stationed at home as he made clothes for soldiers on the field and he received many feathers and threats from women telling him he should go fight. instead of ignoring the feathers, he would make dresses for men and women (as he was a designer and he made clothes in his free time) which featured caps with white feathers on them or dresses that had the feathers stitched to them like that of a dove and it became very popular in the town he lived to the point that the feather lost all meaning.
I’m proud to be the grandson of a man who belonged to the Order of the White Feather. He stuck the feather in his buttonhole.
Men need to pick an issue. That issue is men’s health. Men in all countries must inform their respective legislatures (state, provincial, national) about men’s health relative to women’s: premature death (by 6 years in the US), murder victims (79%), suicide victims (80%), homeless (80%), workplace deaths (93%), workplace injuries (64%). The US government spends 2.4 times as more on breast cancer research than prostate cancer research though roughly the genders experience roughly the chance of contracting the respective diseases (1 in 7). Significantly more men die of Covid. We cannot wait for anyone’s permission. We must do it in the hundreds of thousands. Time has come today.
My grandfather was a conscientious objector during the WW2 in England. He would never talk about it because he was stigmatised as a coward for years later even though he spent the war rescuing people from burning buildings.
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A Brtitish officer serving in Burma during WW2 reported that the American conscientious objectors serving as medics were the bravest men he had ever seen.
Just give me a white feather. I'll wear it in my fedora. I have no interest in proving my manhood to anyone.
Paul has been a lone wolf in this campaign of education for a long time. While others of us who are educated to, and understand the issue remain mute, or only sheepishly raise the issues. Why? Fear of reprisal at work. Loss of business or reputation. Also - shaming. Great video. I certainly would be using my own name if it were not for the fear of all these consequences. Doesn't sound like equality does it?
Academia has also stifled research into women as perpretators of domestic violence, there has been a constant fight by feminists for many years to maintain the myth that domestic violence is a gendered crime only committed by men and is a consequence of male power.
The entire war against men that is occurring on College campuses is most definitely comparable to McCarthyism, and unfortunately it is so well established, and as Paul points out subject to our own biological and evolutionary bias. I can only hope that it can eventually be countered with facts. Sometimes facts are not enough.
That's why it is nice to be retired. I occasionally write a newspaper column regarding men's issues, call in on talk radio, and speak my mind when in mixed company when a woman tells me how tough they have it. NOW I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!
Symbol of cowardice.
As a symbol of cowardice, the white feather supposedly comes from cockfighting and the belief that a cockerel sporting a white feather in its tail is likely to be a poor fighter. Pure-breed gamecocks do not show white feathers, so its presence indicates that the cockerel is an inferior cross-breed.
World War I.
In August 1914, at the start of the First World War, Admiral Charles Fitzgerald founded the Order of the White Feather with support from the prominent author Mrs Humphrey Ward. The organization aimed to shame men into enlisting in the British army by persuading women to present them with a white feather if they were not wearing a uniform.
This was joined by some prominent feminists and suffragettes of the time, such as Emmeline Pankhurst and her daughter Christabel. They, in addition to handing out the feathers, also lobbied to institute an involuntary universal draft, which included those who lacked votes due to being too young or not owning property.
While the true effectiveness of the campaign is impossible to judge, it did spread throughout several other nations in the Empire. In Britain it started to cause problems for the government when public servants and men in essential occupations came under pressure to enlist. This prompted the Home Secretary, Reginald McKenna, to issue employees in state industries with lapel badges reading "King and Country" to indicate that they too were serving the war effort. Likewise, the Silver War Badge, given to service personnel who had been honourably discharged due to wounds or sickness, was first issued in September 1916 to prevent veterans from being challenged for not wearing uniform. Anecdotes from the period indicates that the campaign was not popular amongst soldiers - not least because soldiers who were home on leave could find themselves presented with the feathers.
One such was Private Ernest Atkins who was on leave from the Western Front. He was riding a tram when he was presented with a white feather by a girl sitting behind him. He smacked her across the face with his pay book saying: "Certainly I'll take your feather back to the boys at Passchendaele. I'm in civvies because people think my uniform might be lousy, but if I had it on I wouldn't be half as lousy as you."
Source: A snippet from a Wikipedia page.
Cassie, thank you so much for doing what you do! You have been so gracious and brave! Truly an inspiration. You are changing the world, one heart at a time. Don't you forget it!
Why didn't those women go to war in the men's place? Those women were the REAL cowards.
We have a politician in the UK who goes against his own party to try and get mens issues looked at. He's hanging on by his finger nails with all other parties now saying they will not split the vote so they can get him out.
Which politician is that?
Jakk Bomb Philip Davies. Quick search for him and you'll see what I mean.
Philip Davies is a hero. Compared to Jess Philips who hasn’t raised a finger for men, despite her claims in 2015
Went down my local Australian RSL (Returned Services League) club to look at their museum. Pinned on the wall in the WW1 hospital display was a white feather. Next to it was a medal, on closer inspection it was a medal stating the wearer was either injured or unfit for service so he wasn't to be given a white feather.
I have never thought of the link between white feather and white ribbon, but I do now.
What it doesn't say, but is easily available, is that in the UK the majority of men could not vote either. They had to own property to be able to vote. The few working class that could vote was an accident due to lazy landlords not submitting paperwork. Men were given the right to vote after WWI due to their sacrifice and continual sacrifice in the event of another war. Woman obtained the vote later only because so many men had died woman outnumbered men so it was deemed an unfair advantage. Woman probably wasn't even helped by the violent suffragette movement. Emmeline Pankhurst is seen as a figure of peace and the white feather campaign is erased from history and you only ever see her in a positive light.
Its almost hard to listen to thoughts Ive kept quiet for so long being expressed by another person. Gives me a dilemma, remain silent? or "speak my truth" as Oprah suggested (though I doubt this is the type of truth she is talking about)
Men deserve a historic apology from Patriachy and women for the white feather abuse😭
Emotional Blackmail.
I find the idea of the White Feather Campaign so fascinating. I would love to see a documentary similar to The Red Pill tackle it.
England's Lord Kitchener "say's Enlist today" The British Empire never ran into anything like those German divisions, and lost an entire generation of Men & Boys and almost lost everything rather than trying to negotiate peace.
In one Battle 60,000 British Soldiers were Killed in a single day, imagine more than were Killed in Vietnam , it was so brutal.
Empower boys & men .
Thanks a lot
In Terry Pratchett's book "Jingo" the citystate of Ankh Morpork is once again going to war with Klatch. In the book there are also women going around giving out white feathers to young men not in uniform in order to get them to sign up for the war. However, one of the most iconic characters of the night watch corporal nobbs takes a very refreshing stance on that. He at one point states to a buddy of his that he'll "soon have enough feathers for a new feather pillow".
This is great Cassie thank you.
OK I see several comments missing the point. Elam's point is to draw a close analogy between the White Feathers and the modern-day "White Ribbon Campaign"; the latter in my humble, is a smelly piece of Farcical Sheite. Elam misses the genesis of the White Feathers, but gets his point across at 10:00 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather
If I were around during WW1, I'd start a pillow factory and pay men to walk around getting free feathers.
The symbol of the white feather should be reclaimed, not as a sign of cowardice, but as a symbol of masculist rebellion, of rejecting society's oppressive expectations placed upon men.
Admiral Charles Fitzgerald and Mrs. Humphry Ward started the White Feather Campaign in WWI.
I learnt about the white feather campaign from my aunt rose who was a suffragette, and took part in the campaign and gave out white feathers . Somewhere in the house I have a small enamel badge she had from the organisation . They used to get women to swear that they would never date a man who wouldn't fight . She was engaged to a young man who died in ww1 and lived the rest of her life as a spinster . one of the Pankhurst sisters Sylvia, opposed the campaign and only recently has a statue in London all the other sisters were honoured with statues in or close to parliament
How it came up in conversation was I started collecting badges I would guess I was 10 or younger and I'm nearly 60 now, and my aunt was living with us and had the badge and other badges which she gave me for my collection and told me what it was for . otherwise I would have never heard about it or knew she was involved
*We/Thee shall SIMP no more.* 😌😏😎
"Our culture", tradition and religion is "the right one". We must sacrifice ourselves, like Alpha males of many species fighting for dominance. We delude ourselves that we are in the center of the universe, created by the deity of the universe, and are so special we will live for eternity if we have sacrificed sufficiently. This provides enormous narcissistic supply and turns us into the equivalent of soldier and worker ants to capture resources for "our side".
Yes to a man it's an honorable thing to protect the tribe his Culture his legacy - a future hope for his children or for even his brothers children to risk his life to try to preserve what is good and honorable for future Generations
Pretty sure there isnt gender symmetry in dv given gay vs lesbian rates
Loving the red pill raw files!
The film was excellent, these are unexpected little jems.
Im a little gutted i missed you when in england but i know you meet lots of decent people here.
Whats next cassie?
4:43 "rightfully so". I am not so sure about that, just look at the last 70~80 years and say again that those vile beings really deserve anything at all.
Cassie was willing to listen. She was also willing to think and question her convictions.
I'll bet she's a real lady.
_"...Back when feminism was good."_
I wonder if that campaign would work for women. Men hand us feathers tell us we're cowards.
Amazing, I didn't know this. That's not right on so many levels. This has been informative. I'm going to go look that up. I find history fascinating.
Their tactics have NOT changed. . . Have listened to the vid but I know too much about Pankhurst. . . A large quantity of British volunteers and conscripts did NOT have the vote at the time. LOW KUNTS.
Really does illustrate the true potential of women.
The history of this is so shameful!!
Another informative video Cassie, do you think you will release a director's cut version of the documentary? I honestly want more footage of the feminist side to be seen by more people, so that I can ask more feminist to take responsibility for the damage their movement created.
On another topic, I have been thinking of a way to use the white feather movement as a way to call out feminist, remove the notion that the suffrage movement was consists of civil right saints, raise more awareness of men's issues, and as a bonus using the original intention of the movement and mark those who had been avoiding debates(intellectual battles in a way) as cowards (the irony would be ever so delicious). The current version I'm thinking of is similar to the "It's ok to be white" event. Where people would put a white feather in progressive/sjw/feminist spaces with some short but powerful message. I am thinking of using the same message as the original movement where the word "coward" slap on the feather or on the paper attached to the feather, follow by a reminder of history with the phrase "a courtesy from the Order of the White Feather".
I don't expect such an act will have the same impact as the "it's ok to be white" event. Seriously, that hit such a sweet spot to bring out the hidden racists and narcissists, it was marvelous to observe. I also do not think that the act will has as much as an impact in the U.S and other places as it would has in the U.K. However, the point is to provoke anger in the receiver and curiosity from the "normies" as a way to slip in a slice of knowledge that disrupt the current narrative and grease the way for more reception to men's issues.
The original release IS the director's cut, since Cassie is both the director and primary producer, on top of everything else. Now if you mean an _extended_ version, that includes all the cut footage, well... Cassie had over 100 hours of footage. The whole point of these RPRF videos is so that all that unused footage can be presented in just the manner you want. If you want more footage of the feminists' arguments, all you have to do is be patient.
@ Jakk Frost - Thanks for the clarification on the director's cut thing, I kinda have a sense of what it mean, but never have a reason to look for the clear definition.
True, the entire 100+ hours of interview is too much for any form of cinema. Though I do think that maybe someone can stitch together the footage from these interviews, with Cassie's permission, to show the responses of leading(?) feminists to men's issues, maybe a back to back with footage of the MRA naming the issue follow by feminist response to that issue. With what I understand about the human psyche, the less time a person see the presented topic and the response the less time they have to put up their defenses to cognitive dissonance and have to face the information head on.
@Thomas Oconnor - The entire point of the plan is to use a tool utilize by the proto-feminist(?), ehh... sufferagette, and turn it on the present day feminist. Primarily to allow them a taste of their medicine, attract the attention of the public about a stain in the history of feminism that had been forgotten, and then use the momentum from that attention to direct it at a current problem continue to face male today, namely the government leash know as the "Draft". The second and third part will most likely peter out quickly unless someone who sympathize with men issue and talented at spinning media attention to turn that wave into a tsunami. But the first part is where I will get most of my enjoyment. By rubbing feminists face with their predecessors skid mark.
I will apologize for using you as a jumping point Thomas, but your comment is a good example of the responses a lot of men have after getting "red pilled". Frustrated, angry, and wanting to throw the issues in people faces while screaming at them to recognize it. That kind of responses tend to have people focus on the emotion of the responses and not the substances, as such they will react to the emotion and not the information. I would take a guess that the "infamous" article on punching a woman that follow Paul Elam's public reputation may had been written in the same manner: an article written with frustration and maybe even anger weave into it.
My advice, if you want to read it, is to follow an old saying "don't get mad, get even" channel your frustration and anger into energy, approach things with a sound mind, and outplay your opponent at their own game, "speak softly, but carry a big stick" - paraphrasing a quote from Teddy Roosevelt- walk up to your opponent with a calm and collected voice, but make sure that what you say hit the points dead on, and your actions be louder than any shrieking they can muster. I know it sound like a bunch vague metaphor, but put some thought to it, and to your actions.
thomas oconnor - I think it is fine to present fact unapologetically. In fact, it is strange that you have to apologize for the truth in any way. I do want to point to a psychological phenomenon know as the "backfire effect", where being present with information contrary to their own personal beliefs, instead of rethinking their beliefs, people can double down on the beliefs as a defense to cognitive dissonance. I do think when you present the fact about men issue, do so with firm stand as you are presenting the undeniable truth of the matter. However, by throwing the information straight in their faces, you can trigger the "backfire effect" in people, turning your arguments into the equivalent of a siege battle, and those are thrice as difficult as a regular battle (I use the Art of War as a life philosophy, so these kind of metaphor will pop up often).
I did saw the clip when Warren show his frustrations (I set a high bar for what can be consider anger), and it is a powerful sight to see a kind and gentle person like Warren express his frustrations like that.
The concept of "big stick" in the Teddy Roosevelt quote refer to doing things that make significant impact, so he saying he may speak politely, but he can make significant things happen.
As far as how I am approaching the fight for men's right? By applying the primary rule to win battles: to know myself and know the enemies. Also by applying my own twist on one of Karen Straughan's advice on talking with people about the issues: don't going into it trying to convince people, present to them the undeniable fact of the injustices happening around them, you may not sway the person you are talking to, but you just might get those around them. I always try to understand men's issues, not just the fact that I can throw at people, but why it happen and what maintaining it. I also always try to understand the oppositions, how they see me and how they going about to oppose what I do. With Feminist, they are Crusaders, those who believe the righteousness of their cause keep them from ever questioning their actions, being led by Sophists, those who twist the truth for profits/personal gain. This series can serve as proof for this observation on the movement. You won't be able to convince the Sophists because they are not blind, only manipulative. However, the arguments of the Sophists are flaws, as they are twisted truths, and you can hang them, metaphorically speaking, with their own arguments and open the eyes of the Crusaders. As I said before, approach Feminists not with the intention to convince them, but to show the undeniable truth about men's issues and turn any flaw arguments by the Feminists into a noose to hang them with it. As an example, they built their platform on the claim of gender equality, that is a mighty big rope by itself, and it can easily be turn on them. Lure them to spout proudly and loudly that they fight for "gender equality" then turn that proclamation on them by asking them where were they when men suffered by the hand of women: what did they do in response to the #maletear, where were their protests when a thirteen years old boy have to pay child support to his rapists, where were their outrage when a woman ruin dozens of men's life by falsely accuse them of sexual charges, ask them to show you their proof of registration for the draft and ask them if the government had threaten them with denial of social services for not signing up for it. I will show them the hypocrisy of their movement, by turning its tenants on them. They can choose to change course before it too late or they go off the cliff with it.
For you Thomas, I would ask if you would consider a new approach, to not press people with the facts, but to ask them the question they should had been asking for a long time now. To lead them to the truth, by asking them the right questions. As a bit of evidence on how effective this might be, I would ask if you had seen the "Red Pill Interviews" channel, if not, I would suggest you take a look at it.
thomas oconnor - I think some clarification on my mention of using the Art of War as a life philosophy. Although the book was written in the context of warfare. Sun Tzu specifically discourage engaging in conflict as the primary strategy. Indeed, the point of the book is to go to war with the utmost efficiency with as little conflict and damage to both side as possible. Furthermore, many things in the book remain valid even when strip of their original context. As an example, "If you know yourself and know the opposition, then you will win every battle" this advice can apply just as well to hiking as it applied to warfare; knowing your own strength and weakness (e.g how far can you walk before tired, how much rest you need before walking again)and knowing what you will be facing (e.g. how many hill you will cross, what the weather is going to be like, etc.) will allow for the right planning to ensure success in your hiking goal.
While I find your role play amusing, it confirm what I worry about what would happen when approaching these subjects from an emotional place (though that is on par with youtube comment, I am not surprise, just a bit disappointed). Your comment on the alleged plan of deception by the past feminists (alleged because there was no presented solid evidence), along with your comparison to Sun Tzu's skill in deception, and your role play are hyperbole statements propping feminists as the antagonist of the narrative. Highlighting the damages they causes and name dropping concepts that describes ongoing phenomenon (with no mention of statistical scale, which I assume because you want them to be seen, or at least personally seen them, as completely pervasive) have little value now as they are echoes constantly by those around these parts long enough. I am guessing that you are opening with a briefing in a snarky jabbing tone at the opposition. As briefing, they are near useless as it severely lack precision to give a clear assessment of the situation, and while the tone is easily establish: "the opposition is bad because they hurt us and they only think of themselves", the opposition is not even identify (it is assume from past conversation sure, but I dislike the nebulous cloud of evil being paint here because it does not ground the conversation in reality). Even if I hold it to the standard of a propaganda, it is mediocre as best; it lack emotional drive; the picture of the opposition is vague; it lack emphasis. If you want this conversation to be of any real value to anyone, me, you, or anyone else reading it, take it seriously (I know, youtube comment, laughable, but I have a sliver of hope), approach it as you would approach a physical problem, assess it with clear, evident, and real information, the opposition is not a nebulous force, they are grounded beings, as such they can be understand, this is not an us versus them approach, this is a mechanic approach, fixing a solid problem, with solid solutions, this is not about insulting the opposition or taking them down a peg, this is providing tools to help avoid or counter incoming harms.
Lastly, it is a sychronicity moment that you brought up the story of how Sun Tzu came to be the King's Commander of the Army, as I find it to be a very useful tool to snuff out biases from people. To provide context to those who don't know (and willing to keep reading this wall of text), Sun Tzu proved his talent as a commander to the King by offer to train all of the King's concubine into a military unit capable of performing marching drills (this is ancient China, so the King's concubine, harem for those not familiar with the word, is large enough for a platoon). When Sun Tzu first start training them, he divided them into rank and files just like a standard military unit, with the popular mistresses as officers, and start giving them instruction on how to march as an army. As one would expect from mistresses of the KING (who reasonably expected to never have to do any manual labor for the rest of their life, let alone military drill), they ignore him and do not perform the drill. Sun Tzu said "if the soldiers does not perform their duty, then the general did not give clear enough instructions", so he repeat his instructions, slower, clearer, and louder. The concubines did not perform the drill this times either, so Sun Tzu said "if the general gave clear instruction and the soldiers still fail in their duty, then the officers fail to discipline theirs charges and must take responsibility". So he orders the concubines acting as officers to death, by beheading, despite the protest from the King not wanting to lose his favorite mistresses. The beheading get carry out, the rest of the concubine get in line, and the king witness his mistresses perform military marching as well as any train soldiers. The original intent of the story is to demonstrate the talent of Sun Tzu and information on his character as a no non-sense commander. If you read the story with an egalitarian mindset, then you can see that Sun Tzu treat the women as he would treat any soldiers under his command; he didn't care they were women; he didn't hold the belief that women is not capable of performing the task simply because they were women. Also, that women at the very least can form rank and file and capable of military marching drills (which is more complex than it look, and can be very taxing depend on how long the drill. Those reading it with bias will not notice that. The feminists will claim Sun Tzu is a misogynist because he committed violence against women. Those with bias like you Thomas see the beheading of a bunch of pamper women as fitting or satisfying because it feel like payback to the suffering women caused men. I warn you about such bias thomas, as they can make you to be just as much of a monster as you make your enemy out to be. Truly know yourself and truly know your opposition if you want to succeed in correcting the injustices to men.
Cassie Jay your an amazing woman, Producer, Director and I like that you realized the truth that men have it worse then women do! I bought your fin on iTunes and have seen it 40+ times just because it hits hard especially on the custody issue! I’m so glad I seen this video I know there was only so much you could fit in the film I like your videos! Please keep them coming!
Spot on. I hate it a lot of the time, but the instinct to assist & protect women has always been there within me. It is an instinct that is wasted in todays world
I know it is hard to fight. Not only because she is female but I consider myself a decent human being. If someone is behind me I always hold the door for them whether that person is male or female, it is simple courtesy. Sometimes though I would like to slam the door in a woman's face. There are good women, last year I was on a flight and upon arriving home I was going down the escalator with my luggage and I almost tripped. I am 77 and when this young lady behind me saw this she came right up to help, grabbed my bag and carried it down the escalator. When I told her I didn't need any help she insisted. As a man it is hard for me to accept help from a woman, over seventy years of programming does that.
This will happen again but to push men to marry.
6 feminists disliked this video because it had facts in it
i relly want to hug Paul Elam fot the work he i doing
The white feather was also used in Australia
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uk don't forget nearly all of those young men died never having the vote. 1918 Representation of the People Act enfranchising eight million women, more than five million men suddenly became eligible too.
Just listened to a female writer ( Joyce Maynard ) who was labelled shameless by a bunch of publishers ...shrugging her shoulders with a smile she questioned, " ... and like that's a bad thing to be?" ... think maybe us guys should sign up for one of her classes at : www.creativelive.com/class/writing-your-story-joyce-maynard ... or we can just emulate Frank in the Netflix series ' Shameless' - check it out - it's actually very insightfully entertaining ... surprised it isn't banned yet?
E.Belfort Bax's work, for all of his acumen and eloquence, didn't hold up thanks to his embrace of early psychological theories on women being inherently inferior to men mentally along with his enthusiasm for Marxism. Much as I've learned from and admire Elam's efforts, he doesn't seem to recognize the irony in railing against relational aggression by women against their male partners then resorting to "satire" that's little more than passive aggressive "Hey, come look at me" schtick. He's likened himself to Malcolm X on more than one occasion, and I encourage every interest in MRA to read Manning Marable's book on MX/just how effective he was before we, en masse, decide to pursue the approach perpetuated by A Voice For Men.
urban dictionary says luap means To lead a person on thinking that they have a chance in starting a relationship with you, and paul elam's name backwards is male luap. Whoa! Or maybe it doesn't mean anything.
Sadly the full scene is no longer on youtube, but this is the part that really gets the point across. From "The Americanization of Emily"
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I must admit that when I saw your video "Meeting the Enemy", I didn't trust you. I thought, "once a feminist, always a feminist. She'll come full circle and be, once again, the enemy of man". I am starting to doubt that position and thank you for helping to get the message out that men could use a little help. You are quickly becoming one of my heroes in adult life.
1:32 Look at that *manspreading* filthy SCREEEEEE
Sheesh! That's totally fucked up😞😦 ww1 was such a useless, pointless war anyways
Great piece🙏🔥✌Am so glad you did this. A real brave woman. Please don't stop making films.
Also four feathers even the 2002 movie I thought was pretty good. It is set in 1884.
It's really amusing that the shaming of men by women is rapidly losing it's impact (for red pill men at least), as more men shine the light on the perceived monster in the cellar and realise it is at best a mouse with a megaphone!
This is all very interesting, but it’s all rather depressing knowing how this film was reacted to.
This interview was conducted almost 5 years ago. Time flies.
YOU'RE AMAZING! FUCK THE HATERS! 😝
he is probebly the god of men's rights everything he says is spot on and what Ive heard is that he honestly wants equality REAL equality not femenist equality.
And I remember the Emma watson stuff OMFG when I heard that I burnt up every harry potter movie and book I had. talk about going from Hero to Zero
Pankhurst was the name of one of the houses in our school.
Dam I did not think about the white ribbon being like the white feather in WWI..
The bible supports the historically proven standard of the family unit and proper gender roles.
The Bible also supported (or at least mentioned) slavery, stoning of people under religious law, the treatment of women as property/currency between families and the commercialization of religious institutions for the benefit of the priests/congregation. Not to mention it also does have the benefit of being "the best hits of the disciples" (and everything not "kosher" being left out of it). Kinda defeats the purpose of being a holy book of instruction when it's only half a book and it gets to choose what goes in and what is being left out - most Christians don't even know their Bibles have many additional chapters that can easily be purchased. :P Not to mention plenty of people used the Bible to reinforce their confirmation bias as opposed to living the Word of God? ;)
Wow, this story really needed to make the movie.
Wage Gap- we've all heard of it.
What about the spending gap? Heard of that?
Most of us work - why? To have money to spend. The spending is the aim of working not the work. Women claim they have less money from working - true. But do they have less money to spend?
What do the owners of retail stores think? Go down to your local mall - are the more stores, more floor space, more items aimed at women or men? Can't decide? Count the number of women and the number of men shopping. Somewhere between 60%-80% of space is dedicated to women's spending by the retail store owners!
What? Why would the store owners dedicate most space to those with the least money to spend? It makes no sense, unless, unless women have more money to spend than men do!
The spending gap!
How is this economic miracle achieved? Women are spending their money and some of the men's money!
Who is more oppressed - the person spending money they did not earn, or the person working so that someone else c a n spend what he earns?
Feminist say you are not a men if you don't go war
I can reply I DON'T CARE 😂😂😂
Thank you for this info.
Correction: to be called a coward by a woman
Straight Fire in this.
My discovery of the Order of the White Feather is where I severed what little ideological tie I could still have left with Feminism by the end of 2014.
A man is not allowed to be weak. For all we like to consider ourselved a highly cultured and advanced society, we haven't budged anything like as much as we think with regard to preconceptions of men and our role in society and the family unit.
There is no disputing that throughout history men have been responsible for the supression of women, but What seems to be less known, or at least openly acknowledged, is that men have sytematically perpetuated a form of self opression through successive generations. Only now do we finally seem to be questioning our 'traditional' role, but many are intimidated by the notion of exposing what they regard as a weakness - to appear not to be confident or in control.
The internal conflict, insecurity and pressure that builds in the mind because of this can be a lot more damaging than we like to admit. It is so ingrained in our psyche that trying to break away from it is like abandoning yourself to the unknown. Been there, done that, still fighting...
Can you give examples of how women were suppressed by men in western culture? I'm not greatly educated on history but it seems that women have always had privilege over men since the dawn of time. Everything men do is for their wives and or children. Men die to protect them, men go to work in some of the most dangerous jobs you could imagine to provide for their women. How can men be blamed for the "suppression of women"?
Ross Graver well for starters being property and the "natural" spoils of war.
Men have been trying to prevent women ownership of their own bodies and their rights to their children for thousands of years. That being said the role reversal in terms of men not having access to their children is also wrong and I have heard feminists try to justify it and it sickens me. I don't blame all men, but the ones we put in power I sure do.
I refer only to some of the more obvious and uncontestable social equalities denied to women historically. The right to vote for instance, is one of the most obvious. I'm not interested in fighting a rear guard defence for the inequalities of the past. I want to see more possitive progression for both in our future.
Reekie which is why I completely agree with you. The other commenter however is being intellectually dishonest and that is what I am addressing.
Sorry, I missed your post while writting my reply. I agree with your comments.
Feminism is clearly just the distorted continuation of traditionalism after a civilization develops beyond the need for survival roles. People get hit with the reverberation of trauma, and react based on old gender roles in a new world. As civilization gets better, men's jobs get better thanks to their fathers' and grandfathers' dedication and creativity. Women who are married to fortunate men in these increasingly nicer positions get restless and bored with being a housewife. The husbands are used to being in service, the wives used to being taken care of. Feminism ensues with people lacking the introspection and awakeness necessary to see how they could heal from trauma, end the cycles of abuse, and thrive. Sadly, feminism alongside other authoritarian trauma-driven ideologies drags down society. Too many people respond terribly if their life is too easy and disconnected from purpose. An easy life is not a good life.
Everytime he said, "voice for men" I'd almost think he said, "Boy's to Men." 😁💿🎶🎤
Liz P There's a classic music memory :)
Patrick Towey uh-oh..did I just age myself?!🤐😁
Liz P oh no, they're still played on tv and radio, hehe
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Mary Augusta Ward was a novelist and became the founding President of the Women's National Anti-Suffrage League. But I guess technical if you ignore the anti part then she could be a suffragette.
There was no "white feather" campaign. There were sporadic incidents.
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