Omoda C5 Review: A Fancy Chery or Premium Car Contender?

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024

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  • @Ndumixo
    @Ndumixo Рік тому +197

    It's not just a fancy Chery, it's the Chery on top

  • @rayswartz
    @rayswartz Рік тому +19

    Please keep reviewing cars on here Ash!! You're really good at this and between Ciro and yourself you guys are really carving out a very very good channel, with proudly South African roots (1 mill subs in the next few months maybe🤔?) - which to my knowledge is the only car channel we have that competes with the Mat Watsons and the Autotraders of the world.
    Stay awesome! Great review! 😁😁

  • @unholyfly5176
    @unholyfly5176 Рік тому +13

    Review the BAIC Beijing X55 next plsss!

    • @Carscoza
      @Carscoza  Рік тому +11

      It's coming soon, maybe have something on the channel in a month's time.

  • @lawrencehenshaw7491
    @lawrencehenshaw7491 Рік тому +2

    Saying a big warranty doesn't say how much it covers and what is the part replacement costs like the electronic, engine and suspension parts

  • @pjb9010
    @pjb9010 Рік тому +2

    Been waiting on this one

  • @mohamedbhamjee1856
    @mohamedbhamjee1856 Рік тому +2

    Nice car I have driven one on launch currently own a teggo 4 elite se these cars r heavy on fuel overall good product

  • @suhailjeewa1529
    @suhailjeewa1529 Рік тому +3

    Ciro needs to do a BAIC BEIJING X55 review already

  • @Zander.and.lightning
    @Zander.and.lightning Рік тому +3

    I like the interior and rear of the car, the front end is just to much bling

  • @jacquesbosch2459
    @jacquesbosch2459 Рік тому

    Amazing how far Chery has come. But my gosh this is not a good-looking car from the front. That's personal preference though.

  • @njaphs
    @njaphs Рік тому +2

    Only fuel consumption goes against it for me.

  • @leratomotsumi7090
    @leratomotsumi7090 10 місяців тому

    This over a Baic x55 definitely.

  • @hantusmostert
    @hantusmostert Рік тому

    I need a car that does 15-20km per L
    How?

  • @TshiamoThabane_
    @TshiamoThabane_ Рік тому

    It's a very sporty car

    • @RRSmurf
      @RRSmurf Рік тому

      No it's not...

  • @ronch550
    @ronch550 Рік тому

    Gotta love China's forced tech transfer for all these Chinese cars, folks.

  • @sibusisosithebe8800
    @sibusisosithebe8800 5 місяців тому

    I drove one last night and it’s a horrible car besides the luxury options.
    If you selected the manual mode, you can’t drive it in auto unless you switch off the car. Stupid.

  • @paulg3216
    @paulg3216 Рік тому +2

    What is with this reviewer? Keep at least one, if not both hands on the steering wheel at all times! Not the first video I've seen where he does this, so he obviously thinks it's fine to do this.

  • @waynebowker7764
    @waynebowker7764 5 місяців тому

    Absolutely rubbish

  • @demainenaidoo7804
    @demainenaidoo7804 Рік тому

    I must say that our license plates really spoil the look of this car🫣

    • @taniamclu2900
      @taniamclu2900 7 місяців тому

      😂😂😂😂why are you like this

  • @Carscoza
    @Carscoza  Рік тому +19

    Do you think Omoda is onto a winner with the C5?

    • @sizwedinisesoko
      @sizwedinisesoko Рік тому +2

      Yes and no! the safety systems are too much. It’s cramped, Ashley should have sat in the passengers seats (which don’t adjust upward or downward even front and back) and felt his knees against the dashboard. Also the limited head room is an issue for me, fuel consumption was extremely high when i tested it as well (around 16l/100km) though it was a short urban drive. Interior is beautiful, the exterior can take some getting used to.

    • @brandonstclair898
      @brandonstclair898 Рік тому

      Change the darn badge on the steering cmon Chery

    • @IanCarswell-hc4dj
      @IanCarswell-hc4dj Рік тому +1

      Please review the baic bejing and maybe do a comparison between the chinese cars in the suv segment and which one is best?

  • @emzitodemob
    @emzitodemob Рік тому +23

    With all these pretty looking chinese cars coming our way I'm just going to sit back and see who's got the most reliable. Lawd knows I can't with these expensive germans

    • @davidm.226
      @davidm.226 Рік тому +5

      Try BAIC, they are a company which has been working with Mercedes in China for many years, they have been responsible for manufacturing Mercedes interiors which is evident in their cars, they have a plant here in SA Gqeberha (PE) which produces the X55.

  • @ferdinandalester
    @ferdinandalester Рік тому +9

    Seems like a really decent package overall but the front looks really awkward and I suspect this design wont age well. The tiggo 8 pro is not entirely in the same class and price range but the package just seems more cohesive and attractive to me.
    The tiggo 8 pro looks and feels more "Omada" than the C5 does.

  • @SDav21
    @SDav21 Рік тому +16

    Definitely a premium contender especially considering it has better build and material quality than a Mercedes A Class lol. Although that isn't saying much considering how badly built a new A Class is. Even a Sandero feels more solid. Hehe. But anyway. Love what Chery is doing. If they can bring a premium hatch it would be cool.

    • @MzwandileHarmans
      @MzwandileHarmans Рік тому

      Lmao 😂

    • @SDav21
      @SDav21 Рік тому +2

      @@MzwandileHarmans it's true. These new Mercs interior build and material quality is disgusting. Sit in the A Class and all there is is plastic and cheap bits and parts of the interior move around when you use it. Feels like it'll fall apart if you press too hard or stare too hard. So sad what Merc has become and then they still cost so much. It isn't worth it anymore. In the past it was because you were getting a car built and engineered like no other. But these days a Peugeot 308, Renault Megane, BMW 1 series all have better build and materials than the A Class and they are all much cheaper.

    • @triple777seven
      @triple777seven Рік тому

      Premium contender🤔, lower the dosage mate

    • @SDav21
      @SDav21 Рік тому +3

      @@triple777seven Well if you sit in some of the cars from "premium" brands these days you'll see what I mean. The Mercedes A Class and new Audi A3 are prime examples. You pay double the price but get none of the features. Then you might say but you get the quality and solidity. Oh no. Not any more. The Audi and Merc have as much plastic as a basic Toyota Corolla. And in the case of the A Class, a Corolla feels better screwed together. I have a Mercedes. A 2014 E350 Bluetec. Mercedes was still making quality then. On numerous occasions I went to test drive newer models and Mercedes is only Mercedes in name now. Same for Audi. BMW seems to be the best right now since their cars have better build and materials by far and are also up in reliability rankings now. They let me loan a GLB for a week. A GLB220d. For R1.3 million as equipped for the one I drove, I couldn't understand why. It has so much hard cheap plastic. Half the interior bits feel like it was pasted on with Pritt. When the gearbox gets hot in stop start traffic it starts to lurch and get clunky. Overall, really shitty car for R1.3 million. The ride quality was however good despite having 20 inch rims and the interior did Look good with all the ambient lights. But looks is nothing without substance. I then for interest sake went to test drive a Chery Tiggo 8 Pro and honestly I was blown away. It genuinely felt more expensive and more premium than the GLB in almost every aspect. The materials used were far better. It felt solidly screwed together unlike the GLB. So yes. I stand by what I said. I've been a long time Mercedes owner. And my dad still has his model with 338,000kms on. They WERE once truly premium in every sense of the word. Not anymore. They justify their stupid prices by name only. There's nothing premium about them anymore other than the perceived premiumness of the badge.

    • @SpruceWood-NEG
      @SpruceWood-NEG Рік тому

      @@SDav21 Mercedes Benz's trademark is worth $20000 more than Chery's trademark!

  • @DaveDVideoMaker
    @DaveDVideoMaker Рік тому +26

    The Omoda C5 is now available in Spain for the equivalent of over R600,000. It’ll also be available in Italy later this year, and a UK launch is expected in February 2024.
    For the UK/EU market, the Omoda C5 uses a 1.6-litre turbocharged engine with 145kW and 290Nm.

  • @BASSCHALLENGESA
    @BASSCHALLENGESA Рік тому +28

    The fuel consumption is very accurate. I drive the Tiggo 4 Pro SE and get around 11.8km/l! Chery sales said to me that it will improve after my first service...I'm going for my 2nd service at 20 000km next week and I'm still avg. 11.8km/l...such a nice car, real petty about the fuel consumption...

  • @Won_By_One
    @Won_By_One Рік тому +8

    FUEL CONSUMPTION: I beg to differ with your 11 plus litres / 100km. I have been dring one for 2 months. My total average is 8,5 litres / 100km. Its all about how you drive 🙂

    • @AnthonyRamatsui
      @AnthonyRamatsui Рік тому +1

      Test drove one that was being used by a CHERY Rep. the AFE was at 8.7. I guess Ash was being a race driver 😂

    • @brandonstclair898
      @brandonstclair898 Рік тому +1

      8.5 seem to be sweet spot over time. If you drive long distances you can get to 7 easily.

    • @sizwedinisesoko
      @sizwedinisesoko Рік тому

      @@AnthonyRamatsuiI also test drove one that was being used by a Chery rep, after the drive it was 16L/100km.

    • @garthpetersen3538
      @garthpetersen3538 9 місяців тому

      8.5/100 is roughly, 11.7km per litre .

  • @KyleJHB
    @KyleJHB Рік тому +12

    Averaging 11l per 100km is just crazy for that sized engine, my 3.5l naturally aspirated V6 gets that with more grunt and a better sound. With South Africans being very brand loyal it will be interesting to see how this fares up against other luxury brands namely the German variety. Even Lexus and Infiniti battled to gain traction here.

    • @brandonstclair898
      @brandonstclair898 Рік тому +2

      Cherry engines is different. You have to drive it in over a period then it will improve. My Chery is at average 7.8/100km, the heavier the foot you can expect 8.6 on average.

    • @KingHill2015
      @KingHill2015 Рік тому +3

      I'd rather buy a second hand Rav 4 or Toyota double cab Hilux. Chinese a no go for me

    • @lawrencehenshaw7491
      @lawrencehenshaw7491 Рік тому +2

      Unfortunately these cheaper brands need to really do some serious investment in the feul consumption of their products yhey just selling gizmos and lloks ignoring the crisis of global warming totally.

    • @hantusmostert
      @hantusmostert Рік тому +1

      the more fuel south africans spend, the faster you replenish the road acident fund. small thirsty engines really suck

  • @shanelewin4509
    @shanelewin4509 Рік тому +7

    Currently own the Omoda C5 Elegence S. Averaging around 8.1l. Touchscreen not working at the moment, waiting for a new audio system to be shipped to South Africa, could take around 2 months.

    • @BOBBY-et9xb
      @BOBBY-et9xb Рік тому +1

      From the reviews I've seen on Hellopeter, the chery and haval are very troublesome and the service from the dealers not good.

    • @princessanineveh
      @princessanineveh 10 місяців тому

      So how is it?

  • @mrhowmuch
    @mrhowmuch Рік тому +2

    Very nice interior , but the Grill thou 😬

  • @Brajosh_
    @Brajosh_ 8 місяців тому +2

    These Chinese cars are cool and give more premium brands a run for their money but fuel consumption is hectic man, with our fuel prices you drive with one eye at the fuel gauge.I personally prefer Chiro & David's reviews Ash seems like a cool guy but he seems bored & forced to do reviews man, for me he makes even cool cars boring with his presentation delivery.anyways Love the channel

  • @grand3195
    @grand3195 Рік тому +3

    Omoda is not the premium brand of chery, Exeed is the premium brand of chery! Omoda is just a sub brand of chery specifically for young people.

  • @etienne6641
    @etienne6641 Рік тому +6

    I understand a hybrid version will come out soon to SA. I'm sure a full EV version will also be on the charts. China do not spend any time on ICE engine developments anymore so the BEV's will be much more economical to run.

    • @Carscoza
      @Carscoza  Рік тому +7

      Let's hope South African EV legislation improves so EVs become less expensive.

  • @KingHill2015
    @KingHill2015 Рік тому +15

    I am 42 years old. Tried German cars. Always loved German cars. Starting considering Chinese cars for value of money. But with all my research and experience, Japanese is the way to go. Toyota for me everyday.

    • @quintusgrobler9088
      @quintusgrobler9088 6 місяців тому +1

      Chinese cars focus their value on the moment of purchase. Japanese cars provide their value after. Honda, Mazda, Toyota; all cars that keep a cap on their tech in order for us to have engines that last through the decades. Practicality should always be first for anybody over 30.

  • @Adrian_Nel
    @Adrian_Nel Рік тому +2

    05:04 into a video of 13:54 length, so about one third of the way, and I STILL don't know a thing about the drive train layout.

  • @brakgosi6271
    @brakgosi6271 Рік тому +5

    Nice review as usual, thanks. How more luxurious is Omoda compared to the highest equally sized Cherry?
    How would you rate the 2 screens software compared to Haval, Proton, BAIC?
    Lastly, I'm a disabled driver and because my hands are always on the hand controls, I rely a lot on the virtual assistant. How good is it in the Cherry Group cars?
    Obviously I'm not able to test drive cars before I buy because I've got to buy first and have band controls fitted.

    • @012MobileDetailing
      @012MobileDetailing Рік тому

      The BAIC does not have android auto/apple car play which I think would quite useful in your case. Can't speak for the rest however.

  • @eugenevandermerwe3386
    @eugenevandermerwe3386 Рік тому +2

    Great reviews but please consider the rear centre seat and foot and knee space.
    Also, never rely on fuel consumption displays in your car.
    Do your pump to pump filling maths.

  • @tshepoboroko2920
    @tshepoboroko2920 Рік тому +6

    Those seats🔥

  • @1thousand.islands
    @1thousand.islands Рік тому +4

    Please review the BAIC X55 Beijing

    • @Carscoza
      @Carscoza  Рік тому +3

      We will. Review coming in about a month

  • @jfa849
    @jfa849 Рік тому +2

    Listening to complaints about 11.5l/100kms being high - all relative. If I saw that in my 2012 XKR I'd be over the moon 😂

    • @Adrian_Nel
      @Adrian_Nel Рік тому

      @jfa849, yeah maybe, but you wouldn't really compare the two cars, Would you? Please say 'no' Adrian, I wouldn't'.🙂

    • @jfa849
      @jfa849 Рік тому

      @@Adrian_Nel 🤣🤣🤣 I absolutely wouldn't compare the cars...

  • @threesixnine369six
    @threesixnine369six Рік тому +1

    Am I the only one who thinks the name OMODA was chosen on purpose to sound Japanese 😅
    To me it screams lack of confidence, and self awareness that despite their strong social media campaigning and the push for this idea that Chinese cars are taking over the world, the people still don’t perceive Chinese cars to be of high quality, and the Chinese car makers know. Admittedly there are some interesting new cars coming from China but based on an above average knowledge of how China and Chinese company operate I highly doubt that that they’re at the quality level of Korean, Japanese and German cars, even if they look well put together.
    🎊 🇯🇵 🌸 O M O D A 🌸 🇯🇵 🎊

  • @erichweggelaar1320
    @erichweggelaar1320 Рік тому +1

    No thanks. I'll spend a bit more for a better European car

  • @stanleyatkins4226
    @stanleyatkins4226 Рік тому +1

    Next to review is the Baic. Another Chinese newcomer.

  • @justinwienand9351
    @justinwienand9351 Рік тому +1

    We had a look. The passenger seat is really high up. I had more headroom in the back than the passenger seat.

  • @ElMonkeySupaFreek
    @ElMonkeySupaFreek Рік тому +3

    Nice review! Ash is 👌

  • @ariekhasane2793
    @ariekhasane2793 18 годин тому

    This is impressive 😍

  • @FindingKylesa
    @FindingKylesa Рік тому +2

    haval still the goat

  • @BobyourUncle
    @BobyourUncle Рік тому

    No manual gearbox option - not interested! I've just bought a Mazda CX5 manual for similar money and I couldn't be happier. Admittedly leather seats and a better sound system would be nice but all those so called features are just stupid gimmicks that you end up switching off because they're annoying. When are the manufacturers going to start offering worthwhile options like a choice of engines and gearboxes and maybe some interesting colour options? Grey and silver automatics are for retired people!

  • @antonioporra7210
    @antonioporra7210 Рік тому +4

    Hey Ash
    Be careful with the comment that nobody is going to drive 1 million kilos.
    My Polo 9N3 is on 700K Kilos from new and model 2008.
    Still looks spotless.

  • @makwekweplaatjie5306
    @makwekweplaatjie5306 Рік тому

    I like it but my problem is the fuel consumption 11lr per 100km that's an 6 or 8 cylinder engine.
    For 1.8l it's too heavy on fuel

  • @Chif_GT
    @Chif_GT Рік тому

    This thing doesn't look good at all. It's as if someone was asked to quickly show the committee what he can do with the design app. Seats looks good though. That's it.

  • @Mzwandile_Makhowane
    @Mzwandile_Makhowane Рік тому +2

    Splendid!

  • @KhotsoMolefi
    @KhotsoMolefi 14 днів тому

    It's ugly

  • @etienne6641
    @etienne6641 Рік тому +1

    Didn't hear the name Horlicks in a long time 🙂

  • @MrMetubeaccount
    @MrMetubeaccount Рік тому

    Horlicks... What an unwanted reminder of my age🤦🏾‍♂️😂

  • @michaelcrSA
    @michaelcrSA Рік тому

    so over 5 years, it would cost around R100k more for fuel. That's a lot

  • @ibalansi2851
    @ibalansi2851 Рік тому

    lol...my ml320 has better fuel economy than this chinese job

  • @riteshshettyy
    @riteshshettyy Рік тому

    OMG was a sleeper hit, hope this one also does the same.
    But unfortunately I don't think they'll dare to go as bold as last time, considering the 'hurt sentiments' nowadays.

  • @MidgleyRoss
    @MidgleyRoss Рік тому +4

    Great review, looking forward to the Beijing x55 review as well

  • @AmzK
    @AmzK 6 місяців тому

    Was parked next to one of these at Woolies Palmyra yesterday, thought she was really pretty (especially with the carbon fibre finish) so I thought I'd check if youtube has anything for me. Wish you gave more details regarding whether the back seats can be folded down, why your consumption was so high, cost options, etc. Good video though, thanks.

  • @hlonimahloko8969
    @hlonimahloko8969 Рік тому

    I’ve seen this in real life and I wasn’t impressed..

  • @masies6202
    @masies6202 Рік тому +2

    We have been ripped of for a long time by the Germans, keep up the good work and thank you for the good prices

  • @sizwedinisesoko
    @sizwedinisesoko Рік тому +11

    I tested it and for me it makes it hard to like it and I really wanted buy it. The safety systems are too much. It’s cramped, Ashley should have sat in the passengers seats and felt his knees against the dashboard. The driver and passenger seat doesn’t adjust up and down, also the limited head room is an issue for me, fuel consumption was extremely high when i tested it as well (around 16l/100km) though it was a short urban drive. Interior is beautiful, the exterior can take some getting used to. For me this has to be one of those models, that you miss out on and wait for the updated version later on.

    • @josh3221ify
      @josh3221ify Рік тому

      16l/km i doubt even a tank gets that fuel economy. Maybe you meant 16km/l which is decent.

    • @sizwedinisesoko
      @sizwedinisesoko Рік тому +1

      @@josh3221ify 16L/100Km, Ashley was getting 11L/100Km. I don’t know what you’re on about?

    • @vincentmothapa2421
      @vincentmothapa2421 Рік тому

      @@sizwedinisesoko I think you mean 16L/100Km

    • @sizwedinisesoko
      @sizwedinisesoko Рік тому +1

      @@vincentmothapa2421 correct, that was a typo

    • @josh3221ify
      @josh3221ify Рік тому

      ​@@sizwedinisesoko because you edited your comment from 16l/km.

  • @michaeladabo2719
    @michaeladabo2719 Рік тому

    Chery tiggo 7 pro and the omoda which one will you recommend

  • @TarriqStPatrick
    @TarriqStPatrick Рік тому

    Chery just went and copied BAIC BEIJING X55, What a waste

    • @brandonstclair898
      @brandonstclair898 Рік тому

      Lol, all car brands do this. Chinese are just better at it at a massive cost reduction. I guess you have to choose your poison. BAIC 3rd best manufacturer in China (state owned). Omoda was launched last year internationally, in my humble opinion these guys in China feed off each other. Whoever you buy, China still benefit.

  • @melumasango2980
    @melumasango2980 Рік тому

    Nicely speced and interior, but the exterior design is not make sure especially the red accents all over

    • @davidm.226
      @davidm.226 Рік тому

      I think they have one without the red accents.

  • @yououtuber4176
    @yououtuber4176 Рік тому

    I still prefer my Tiggo 7 Pro

  • @dawidbosman5786
    @dawidbosman5786 Рік тому

    No mention of the gearbox and drive train refinement... Kind of important.

    • @kindness-villain
      @kindness-villain Рік тому

      omoda 5 have 1.6T+7DCT model and Rear wheel adopts 4-link independent suspension

  • @MihleJBN
    @MihleJBN Рік тому +1

    First

  • @evanvandieman
    @evanvandieman Рік тому

    So it's a Chinese Urus ☕

  • @khumbudzomunyai8602
    @khumbudzomunyai8602 Рік тому

    Nice interior design but I don’t like the red linings on the exterior

    • @intellifly747
      @intellifly747 Рік тому

      I agree but it is optional on this car on a certain model. Check auto trader 👍🏼

  • @MrMarcusMars
    @MrMarcusMars Рік тому +3

    problem with these cars u wait for months for a part, buy these cars if u already have another car

    • @brandonstclair898
      @brandonstclair898 Рік тому +2

      How so? They have dealerships across the country and service centres at GWM (Haval)

    • @MrMarcusMars
      @MrMarcusMars Рік тому +1

      @@brandonstclair898 they dont have stock ready in their workshops bro, they have to order it and be shipped at certain time, its worse with autobody parts!

  • @saintgodsworth
    @saintgodsworth Рік тому

    Its ugly

  • @devashinnarainan1314
    @devashinnarainan1314 Рік тому

    Did anyone notice the fuel consumption

    • @RicknMorty85
      @RicknMorty85 Рік тому

      Fuel consumption is usually very high when the engine and car is new. Once it's been given time to break-in the engine, the consumption drops and stabilizes.

  • @mahatanyawarra1705
    @mahatanyawarra1705 Рік тому +1

    It's like a new age Nissan Duke ... Ugly ..but kinda cute at the same time

  • @baneletwayi8036
    @baneletwayi8036 Рік тому +1

    After 2 years it will be falling part, the warranty does not transfer and it consumes fuel like most bakkies..I am also not too sure of the safety stats on this.

  • @raymondmalan487
    @raymondmalan487 Рік тому +1

    High Spec Lucky Packet. Ugly with No Heritage. I can hear the Windows "Shutdown" Chime after 5 Years. Thanks for the Vid Ash.

  • @otaku_village
    @otaku_village Рік тому +1

    Please check the Biac Beijing out too and compare with it

  • @matthew14011
    @matthew14011 Рік тому +1

    Nah this looks ugly 😐

  • @J.JSteyn
    @J.JSteyn 3 місяці тому

    Chinese shit, always going to break 😮

  • @InsideOutWheelZA
    @InsideOutWheelZA Рік тому

    I went for a test drive today n nope they didn't change the cherry logo/word to omoda on the steering wheel airbag.
    I think I'm sold, there's probably another offering on the way.
    We. An not keep up shem

    • @mingwang6183
      @mingwang6183 Рік тому

      Have changed Chery logo on steering and it will be shown soon in the market

  • @InsideOutWheelZA
    @InsideOutWheelZA Рік тому +3

    Most definitely
    They have landed, and they shall dominate.
    Tech, price offering, and looks wow
    If anything, I'm torn between Chinese brands. Would I buy a Haval or cherry ?
    Cherry seam to have my attention more.
    Weldone Ash

    • @SDav21
      @SDav21 Рік тому

      I'd rather have a Haval Jolion over a Chery Tiggo 4. It drives nicer and looks and feels more expensive. I'll also rather take a Haval H6 over a normal Tiggo 8 since the Haval has a 2 litre turbo and the Tiggo 8 only a 1.6 turbo. However, if it's the Tiggo 8 Pro Max I'd rather take the Tiggo over the Haval since the Tiggo 8 Pro Max has a 2 litre turbo.

  • @franktongzi1430
    @franktongzi1430 6 місяців тому

    Omoda is not Tiggo.

  • @Liya_Nyengane
    @Liya_Nyengane Рік тому +1

    Okay, but what's a donga? That's Xhosa for wall mos. 🥲

    • @Carscoza
      @Carscoza  Рік тому +1

      Surely donga is a well known SA term for hole and small trench?

    • @sillimilli3802
      @sillimilli3802 Рік тому

      ​​​@@Carscozareally? I know the xhosa version only 🤔