I could tell why this scene was deleted. It let's you get to know Fletcher a little more but its unnecessary because he's not the main character. Andrew is. It's better to know Fletcher from Andrew's point of view that way we the audience knows as much as him and understand his frustration. This scene makes Fletcher more sympathetic but that won't matter to Andrew.
That was really right comment, but i think is movie not explain to us andrew too. And love about whiplash is that obsession to art. characters are always second.
Vinny Banana they did reveal some of the truth about Fletcher in the end. And with this scene, revealing a bit more of it wouldn't matter. I do wish this wasn't deleted...
@@denizerensefertas4650 hayır, tam öyle değil. Art takıntısı çok iyi de, karakterler de en az onun kadar değerli. Karakterler de insan, sanat da insanı anlatır. Tabi sanat, metafiziği de anlatır.
@@entelektuel.yolculuk yeah but we learned it through Andrew's POV as Fletcher talks to him and even then Fletcher betrays him. Having this random scene of Fletcher alone would make us sympathize too much with him which he doesn't deserve. Andrew is who we should root for and in the eyes of Andrew, Fletcher is not sympathetic.
In the original script it goes more in depth too, he eats a tv dinner alone and if I’m remembering right, I think it shows a picture of him with a woman and a kid
Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits down on a couch. Still alone. The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane... Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side. A scratch, a hiss, and then -- -- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn... Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can tell the music now playing means everything to him...
*29 EXT. NEW YORK STREET - SHAFFER CONSERVATORY - EVENING* Fletcher steps outside. It’s drizzling a bit. He slowly unfolds an umbrella. Passes by a few other FACULTY MEMBERS on his way to the sidewalk. Keeps walking. The DRUMMING continues... *31 INT. SUBWAY - NIGHT* Fletcher is seated, squished in between commuters, towered over by other travelers. Looks diminutive in this setting... *34 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Fletcher reaches a nondescript high-rise. With his folded-up umbrella, his head hanging low, and the careful delicacy with which he opens the door, he looks here like nothing so much as a quiet, everyday man... *36 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Fletcher sets the table for dinner. He has nice porcelain plates, and a glass of red wine. But the meal? A frozen readymade steak and vegetables. On the wall, a photo. In it, a younger Fletcher, and a WOMAN, and a NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL. All smiles.. *38 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits down on a couch. Still alone. The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane... Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side. A scratch, a hiss, and then -- -- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn... Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can tell the music now playing means everything to him...
It is because of Sean Casey's death - the little girl on the picture is Sean's daughter. The both of them was the persons Fletcher spoke to in the hallway.
@@henrikhansen1023 That's not true, it is never specified in the script who the girl and the woman in the picture are, and the man Fletcher spoke to in the hallway was named Mike, not Sean It is implied in the script that Fletcher is divorced or something similar, since he lives alone, probably because of the same obsession that drives Andrew away from his father. It's mostly just to show that Andrew is pretty much becoming just like Fletcher by the end; one of the greats, but lonely and sad
No - because the family on the picture is not his own. It is Sean Casey's. It is Sean Casey with his daughter Fletcher speaks with in the hallway - in closeup of the picture it is clear. The scene should have been right after Fletcher got he call about Sean's death. He does not bark "Not now!!" at Andrew to continue Andrew's 'education' - it REALLY was a bad moment.
@@henrikhansen1023 well, first and foremost, please don't call those screams barking. So ye say that that family photograph in this scene is of Casey's? If that is so, how comes that we know that the guy Fletcher was speaking to was Sean Casey and his daughter?
@@entelektuel.yolculuk You have to watch the deleted scenes - in one of them Fletcher is at home after the announcement of the death of Sean and he glance towards a photograph which says it.
@@Maniahg Plenty - since there is nothing to make prequel about. Besides.... ....overexplaining is poison for a good narrativ. The more we understand Fletcher and his reasons the less of an authority he would be i Whiplash.
If this made the final cut, I would suggest it to be put after the scene where the lawyer asks Andrew's testimony, right before the whole "Good Job" scene
good call on deleting this scene. My take on Fletcher is he is the Devil coming to tempt Andrew to be the best of the best, the way Fletcher just appears out of nowhere and the way he was talking to the little girl before yelling at the studio band makes my point.
I love that music but they put different soundtrack in this whole movie of it you know Fletcher song and types of Fletcher song like the dismiss and with the piano bar place like wow.
found the full sequence from the script, really sad they didn't implement this but i understand how it could take away from the movie *29 EXT. NEW YORK STREET - SHAFFER CONSERVATORY - EVENING* Fletcher steps outside. It’s drizzling a bit. He slowly unfolds an umbrella. Passes by a few other FACULTY MEMBERS on his way to the sidewalk. Keeps walking. The DRUMMING continues... *31 INT. SUBWAY - NIGHT* Fletcher is seated, squished in between commuters, towered over by other travelers. Looks diminutive in this setting... *34 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Fletcher reaches a nondescript high-rise. With his folded-up umbrella, his head hanging low, and the careful delicacy with which he opens the door, he looks here like nothing so much as a quiet, everyday man... *36 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Fletcher sets the table for dinner. He has nice porcelain plates, and a glass of red wine. But the meal? A frozen readymade steak and vegetables. On the wall, a photo. In it, a younger Fletcher, and a WOMAN, and a NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL. All smiles.. *38 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT* Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits down on a couch. Still alone. The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane... Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side. A scratch, a hiss, and then -- -- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn... Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can tell the music now playing means everything to him...
While I was watching the movie I couldn't tell if Fletcher was obssesed like Andrew but he still had feelings or he just didn't feel a thing and was a psychopat. The only scenes were he had feelings were when he was talking to that girl and when fletcher said a student of him died by a "car crash". But since both could be used to manipulate Andrew I just couldn't tell if they were real. After seeing this script I like Fletcher as a character even more.
I could tell why this scene was deleted. It let's you get to know Fletcher a little more but its unnecessary because he's not the main character. Andrew is. It's better to know Fletcher from Andrew's point of view that way we the audience knows as much as him and understand his frustration. This scene makes Fletcher more sympathetic but that won't matter to Andrew.
That was really right comment, but i think is movie not explain to us andrew too. And love about whiplash is that obsession to art. characters are always second.
Vinny Banana they did reveal some of the truth about Fletcher in the end. And with this scene, revealing a bit more of it wouldn't matter. I do wish this wasn't deleted...
@@denizerensefertas4650 hayır, tam öyle değil. Art takıntısı çok iyi de, karakterler de en az onun kadar değerli. Karakterler de insan, sanat da insanı anlatır. Tabi sanat, metafiziği de anlatır.
@@entelektuel.yolculuk 1 yıl onceki yanıtıma yanıt vererek buraya tekrar getirdiğin için teşekkür ederim.
@@entelektuel.yolculuk yeah but we learned it through Andrew's POV as Fletcher talks to him and even then Fletcher betrays him. Having this random scene of Fletcher alone would make us sympathize too much with him which he doesn't deserve. Andrew is who we should root for and in the eyes of Andrew, Fletcher is not sympathetic.
Whu....wait. Is this Fletcher alone in his own domicile? I can see why this was deleted. TOO humanizing.
In the original script it goes more in depth too, he eats a tv dinner alone and if I’m remembering right, I think it shows a picture of him with a woman and a kid
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I love how JK Simmons can tell a story just from looking at his face, no words needed just pure emotion.
That is what I call a true actor
Exactly
Yeah, he's such a legend
Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits
down on a couch. Still alone.
The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures
of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane...
Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls
one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were
handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side.
A scratch, a hiss, and then --
-- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn...
Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can
tell the music now playing means everything to him...
GOD it's such an amazing script. I can't believe it didn't win at the Oscars.
@@spencerwattamaniuk950yohohohohhoho actually this film had an oscar and earned it's players great rewards and great fame.
@@spencerwattamaniuk950wait this passage is taken directly from the script???
@@MelancoliaI Yup! You can find it here: www.sellingyourscreenplay.com/wp-content/uploads/screenplay/scripts/Whiplash.pdf
It's page 39 of the script.
*29 EXT. NEW YORK STREET - SHAFFER CONSERVATORY - EVENING*
Fletcher steps outside. It’s drizzling a bit. He slowly unfolds
an umbrella. Passes by a few other FACULTY MEMBERS on his way
to the sidewalk. Keeps walking. The DRUMMING continues...
*31 INT. SUBWAY - NIGHT*
Fletcher is seated, squished in between commuters, towered
over by other travelers. Looks diminutive in this setting...
*34 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Fletcher reaches a nondescript high-rise. With his folded-up
umbrella, his head hanging low, and the careful delicacy with
which he opens the door, he looks here like nothing so much
as a quiet, everyday man...
*36 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Fletcher sets the table for dinner. He has nice porcelain plates, and a glass of red wine. But the meal? A frozen readymade steak and vegetables. On the wall, a photo. In it, a
younger Fletcher, and a WOMAN, and a NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL. All smiles..
*38 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits
down on a couch. Still alone.
The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures
of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane...
Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls
one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were
handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side.
A scratch, a hiss, and then --
-- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn...
Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can
tell the music now playing means everything to him...
That picture was Simmons's real family
after seeing his face tearing up a bit I can assume that he lost something important. (most likely because of his passion for music)
Or he lost something important and is coping with his loss through music.
It is because of Sean Casey's death - the little girl on the picture is Sean's daughter. The both of them was the persons Fletcher spoke to in the hallway.
Which would parallel neiman losing his girl because he was more focused on music
@@henrikhansen1023 That's not true, it is never specified in the script who the girl and the woman in the picture are, and the man Fletcher spoke to in the hallway was named Mike, not Sean
It is implied in the script that Fletcher is divorced or something similar, since he lives alone, probably because of the same obsession that drives Andrew away from his father. It's mostly just to show that Andrew is pretty much becoming just like Fletcher by the end; one of the greats, but lonely and sad
@@Boytidsos
Specified or not - check the faces yourself.
This is an awesome hidden little gem for me after having watched the film multiple times since it came out. Thank you for uploading this!
Indeed. This adds so much to the already masterpiece film
Masterful acting conveys all kinds of emotions without breaking his lips.
They should do a prequel that covers Fletchers story, really enjoyed his character!
No - because the family on the picture is not his own. It is Sean Casey's.
It is Sean Casey with his daughter Fletcher speaks with in the hallway - in closeup of the picture it is clear.
The scene should have been right after Fletcher got he call about Sean's death.
He does not bark "Not now!!" at Andrew to continue Andrew's 'education' - it REALLY was a bad moment.
@@henrikhansen1023 well, first and foremost, please don't call those screams barking. So ye say that that family photograph in this scene is of Casey's? If that is so, how comes that we know that the guy Fletcher was speaking to was Sean Casey and his daughter?
@@henrikhansen1023 What tf does this have to do with making a prequel lol?
@@entelektuel.yolculuk You have to watch the deleted scenes - in one of them Fletcher is at home after the announcement of the death of Sean and he glance towards a photograph which says it.
@@Maniahg
Plenty - since there is nothing to make prequel about.
Besides....
....overexplaining is poison for a good narrativ.
The more we understand Fletcher and his reasons the less of an authority he would be i Whiplash.
0:20 Dizzie Gillespie 0:25 Art Blakey
If this made the final cut, I would suggest it to be put after the scene where the lawyer asks Andrew's testimony, right before the whole "Good Job" scene
I wonder if this scene would have been played right after he received the call about Sean Casey.
This scene should be in ending after Andrew did the good concert
good call on deleting this scene. My take on Fletcher is he is the Devil coming to tempt Andrew to be the best of the best, the way Fletcher just appears out of nowhere and the way he was talking to the little girl before yelling at the studio band makes my point.
I love that music but they put different soundtrack in this whole movie of it you know Fletcher song and types of Fletcher song like the dismiss and with the piano bar place like wow.
His wife and daughter left him
Yeah that’s why the photograph is there
His wife: *preheats oven*
Fletcher: "NOT MY FUCKING TEMPERATURE"
Daughter: *sobs in perfect 400*
@@UnderTheBoxProductions
HAHAHA
@@UnderTheBoxProductions lmaoooo bruh 💀😭
He talked to his daughter early on in the movie.
He said nothing and still said more that words ever could for this type of character. Simmons is just top notch
I feel like he should've done this song in the club.
My guess is that this scene is either about Fletcher thinking about his dead ex student or after he got fired because of andrew
Se siente nostálgico como si estuvieras en en ese año o más atrás es raro
Beautiful scene but still good it was cut.
muito bom
Please, the name song, it’s beautiful, someobody knows the name of this song playing?
Fletcher song
Are you upset?
Is that hurtwitz's composition ?
Yes it is
Please, somebody, what’s original song playing in that scene🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Its called fletchers song posted by justin
Así yo en el futuro con una profunda soledad 😮
song?
Fletchers song
found the full sequence from the script, really sad they didn't implement this but i understand how it could take away from the movie
*29 EXT. NEW YORK STREET - SHAFFER CONSERVATORY - EVENING*
Fletcher steps outside. It’s drizzling a bit. He slowly unfolds
an umbrella. Passes by a few other FACULTY MEMBERS on his way
to the sidewalk. Keeps walking. The DRUMMING continues...
*31 INT. SUBWAY - NIGHT*
Fletcher is seated, squished in between commuters, towered
over by other travelers. Looks diminutive in this setting...
*34 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Fletcher reaches a nondescript high-rise. With his folded-up
umbrella, his head hanging low, and the careful delicacy with
which he opens the door, he looks here like nothing so much
as a quiet, everyday man...
*36 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Fletcher sets the table for dinner. He has nice porcelain plates, and a glass of red wine. But the meal? A frozen readymade steak and vegetables. On the wall, a photo. In it, a
younger Fletcher, and a WOMAN, and a NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL. All smiles..
*38 INT. FLETCHER’S APARTMENT - DINING ROOM - NIGHT*
Silence. Fletcher finishes his meal. Puts the dishes away. Sits
down on a couch. Still alone.
The apartment, like his office, is small but elegant. Pictures
of icons on the walls. Monk. Holiday. Coltrane...
Fletcher reaches into a stack of LP’s: Chopin, Ravel... Pulls
one out with the most delicate touch, as though he were
handling a newborn. Sets it on a record player by his side.
A scratch, a hiss, and then --
-- FLETCHER’S SONG. Melancholy, lovelorn...
Fletcher just sits and listens, barely moves -- but you can
tell the music now playing means everything to him...
While I was watching the movie I couldn't tell if Fletcher was obssesed like Andrew but he still had feelings or he just didn't feel a thing and was a psychopat. The only scenes were he had feelings were when he was talking to that girl and when fletcher said a student of him died by a "car crash". But since both could be used to manipulate Andrew I just couldn't tell if they were real. After seeing this script I like Fletcher as a character even more.