came here to say this. never felt "confused" on the EMB throttles. if you blow one up I'd like to know exactly which lever I'm on. not some computer saying "don't worry ab initio two-striper. I got u"
That throttle thing is the only thing that kind makes me go ooof. I like the idea… but maybe they should have made the dials used to select the thrust percentage or idle one engine not be on the overhead panel and be more prominent. I can see that being a cause of design induced human error where you accidentally idle one of your engines trying to do something else on the overhead panel and then not understanding why an engine has suddenly lost performance.
Hello Mr Attenborough, oh, er, you sounded like him for a moment! :-) Those Avionics look pretty sweet, I bet with a little tinkering it's possible to get root access and change the wallpaper to something better than a bunch of boring maps 😀Okay. That was a joke! This is awesome, I'm glad they've included a set of physical buttons to control everything across all screens. A big step up from the Falcon 900 I was familiar with in the early 90's.
Cross-pilot input feedback (active sidesticks) should be mandated on all new designs. Not convinced by the single throttle either, as much as it's a proven design. Good on Dassault keeping touchscreens away from overhead panels.
I’m trying to find out what system they have for the sidestick in the 10X… do you know if it’s duplicated electro-mechanical movement (as with Gulfstream) or haptic warning… or ?
The cockpit of any Boeing Business Jet looks like a museum against this jet. But any Boeing cockpit looks like that against an Airbus, Gulfstream or Bombardier Cockpit with sidesticks anyway 🙂
i can allready think of all kinds of problems for that single throttle..seems like it could cause more accidents than preventing them. Bad move dassault... bad move..
I’ve always loved the Falcon series, Dassault makes an amazing jet. However, the single throttle lever is going be a huge problem. The entire world trains to handle multi engine emergencies using individual throttle levers, now you’re telling me to forget all of that training and muscle memory and look up at the overhead panel to handle an engine abnormality or emergency? Not intuitive at all IMHO.
One of the reason that the British Midlands pilots of the B737 shut down the incorrect engine was they closed the throttle of the engine they thought was giving the problem and by coincidence the airframe vibration subsided. If they had taken time to diagnose using engine instruments and warnings it probably would not have occurred. I have time on a Falcon 900 and with the engines close together on the tail very little yaw with a failure, and of course zero yaw if it’ the centre engine.
It’s actually not a bad idea. In modern FADEC controlled engines, you’re not moving the thrust lever very much yourself. If at all. If an engine fails, there’s no reason once the fuel is shut off, one lever for both can’t be used.
This is why I love flying the 737. Yes it is a throwback design to the 60’s. But it also a pilot’s airplane. You have to manually move switches, interpret data, and think your way through situations. In short, you have to be a pilot… I understand that this is the future. But as these aircraft become increasingly more sophisticated our role is morphing into automation managers. My favorite words to hear when I’m flying are “cleared for the visual approach.” Autopilot and auto thrust off. Time to look out the window and be a pilot…
I disagree even Bomardier and other planemakers like Hondajet do not want to use the outdated yoke or other systems still found on Boeing jets. The Falcon Eye sytem greatly enhances visual awareness and makes the plane safer.
@@techdefined9420Any of you care to talk about Cessna? Even though Cessna is a branch of Textron Aviation, their Cessna Citation Longitude which is their current latest private jet still uses yokes just like with Boeing jets.
@@wololo10 "yeah sure" En fait c'est possible avec les control de vol électronique vu que tu peux paramètrer exactement comment l'avion se comporte et Dassault sont des expert en commande de vol électronique donc je veux bien les croire.
@@anteekoElectronic flight control does not change the aerodynamics of the plane. And it should be pretty obvious that a business jet is not designed to be as maneuverable as a fighter jet.
@@skirata3144 "Electronic flight control does not change the aerodynamics of the plane. And it should be pretty obvious that a business jet is not designed to be as maneuverable as a fighter jet." He said "sharp" not "manoeuvrable". Sharpness, precision is totally within the domaine of the electronic flight control which Dassault are expert at. One example: all 320, 330, 350, 380 flight command react very similarly. Thanks to the electronic flight control being set up with similar parameter to shorten pilot training. It is the advantage of letting a computer fly your plane.
Love the 10x They might be jumping the shark with the new interior design. How do those funky seats turn into berths. I think they d could lose customers to the Global 7500/8000 just on this alone. Nuage seats with their zero gravity concept and more traditional appearance is much more appealing, I think. But i love Dassault, hopefully, I’m proved wrong.
And ... what if there is a problem with the ... let's say graphic card... is there one per screen .. can a screen be displayed on an other one if it break ?
yes, everything is backed up. It have been for the bast 15 years in either EASy cokcpit or vision flight deck. so in flight no problem but before the next flight, you cannot dispatch without working PFD. But usually you can swap with the ones with wich you can dispatch while INOP
Dassault jumped the shark on the 10x. I don't like anything about this airplane. It's the just because you can doesn't mean you should design. The 7X and 8X are everything a Falcon should be, and what their customers love about the brand. This feels like a Bombardier or Gulfstream cosplay but getting everything wrong. Flightdeck ergonomics are atrocious, the interior is not gonna win them any favors either. Dassault on a 1 way trip to nowhere.
They work extremely well. The GVII (and soon to be GVIII) series have hand grips around all of the touchscreen’s so in turbulence your hand is steady allowing your thumb to be very accurate with any selection.
@@wgeffon it’s not so much turbulence, it’s having tactile feedback from an actual button press. It would be almost impossible to use in a smoke filled cockpit, you’d have no idea what you are pushing. It’s all down to cost, once developed the touch screens save money and time on manufacturing. They’re a solution to a problem that never existed
@@jonathanbeattie3410 Your points are well taken. But, in a smoke filled cockpit, I’d still have no idea what button I was pressing. I know the general layout of switches and buttons in the Challenger I fly but if I can’t see them, it’s still a guess.
Have you seen how many pilots have croaked at the controls or been dragged out of the flight deck in last 2 years? They cant make driverless cars work.
Guys, take a look on what's going on in the military. There are programs like X47b and Euron.. autonomous fighter jets.. I think it's a matter of time.. today, an Airbus is fully capable to fly from pt A to B, land safely and almost taxi to the gate.. technology already exists... I agree, people might not be prepared for this just yet..
Theres a big difference between a military mission with 1 pilot, and removing said pilot. Whole nother ball game with 300 people on board in the middle of the Atlantic. How would miracle on the hudson have gone down with autonomous control? Never ever in the hudson with everyone living. Ask those 200 people that lived. Not ONE would get on a AI flown plane. I wouldnt
@@maj1664 good luck finding a insurance carrier to cover that first AI only passenger flight. And as soon as a AI plane taxis into a terminal, thats all she wrote.
Not a huge fan of the single thrust lever, however the rest of the flight deck looks awesome!
Not a huge fan of the touch screens…but its a good upgrade system
@@mirandamariamcdougall6150 too much damn screens
Totally agree, also tactile feedback from dials/switches shouldn't be overlooked. Sleek plane nonetheless!
came here to say this. never felt "confused" on the EMB throttles. if you blow one up I'd like to know exactly which lever I'm on. not some computer saying "don't worry ab initio two-striper. I got u"
Looks better than the gulf
That throttle thing is the only thing that kind makes me go ooof.
I like the idea… but maybe they should have made the dials used to select the thrust percentage or idle one engine not be on the overhead panel and be more prominent. I can see that being a cause of design induced human error where you accidentally idle one of your engines trying to do something else on the overhead panel and then not understanding why an engine has suddenly lost performance.
a Wookiee co-pilot in a Falcon would be nice.
DASSAULT ENGINEERING ONE OF THE BEST.
6:25 external applications? I can’t wait to see a pilot get Tinder on one of those screens :)
Hello Mr Attenborough, oh, er, you sounded like him for a moment! :-) Those Avionics look pretty sweet, I bet with a little tinkering it's possible to get root access and change the wallpaper to something better than a bunch of boring maps 😀Okay. That was a joke! This is awesome, I'm glad they've included a set of physical buttons to control everything across all screens. A big step up from the Falcon 900 I was familiar with in the early 90's.
Cross-pilot input feedback (active sidesticks) should be mandated on all new designs. Not convinced by the single throttle either, as much as it's a proven design. Good on Dassault keeping touchscreens away from overhead panels.
I’m trying to find out what system they have for the sidestick in the 10X… do you know if it’s duplicated electro-mechanical movement (as with Gulfstream) or haptic warning… or ?
@jamie77w Whats the concern with Touchscreen’s overhead? I fly G500’s and the OHPTS are super easy and work extremely well.
No
Ok…….just as soon as I win powerball I’ll be putting in my order.
He sells it well. Great explanations.
The cockpit of any Boeing Business Jet looks like a museum against this jet. But any Boeing cockpit looks like that against an Airbus, Gulfstream or Bombardier Cockpit with sidesticks anyway 🙂
**Dreamliner enters the chat**
@@laaaliiiluuu After seeing everyone using side stick and bigger screen, **dreamliner leave the chat on shame**
i can allready think of all kinds of problems for that single throttle..seems like it could cause more accidents than preventing them. Bad move dassault... bad move..
well.... time will tell fellas... voici quelque programmes dans l industrie aero...
Beautiful. Just beautiful❤
I'd like to see the MCP edges gradually integrating into the deck instead of sudden slope. :D
Excellent! The World Has Advanced.... If I could borrow Mike Patey's Tag....
"WOW"
where can I find a dealer
I think it would be smarter to charter then to buy 😮😮 tnx😊😊
Looking very nice.
I’ve always loved the Falcon series, Dassault makes an amazing jet. However, the single throttle lever is going be a huge problem. The entire world trains to handle multi engine emergencies using individual throttle levers, now you’re telling me to forget all of that training and muscle memory and look up at the overhead panel to handle an engine abnormality or emergency? Not intuitive at all IMHO.
One of the reason that the British Midlands pilots of the B737 shut down the incorrect engine was they closed the throttle of the engine they thought was giving the problem and by coincidence the airframe vibration subsided. If they had taken time to diagnose using engine instruments and warnings it probably would not have occurred.
I have time on a Falcon 900 and with the engines close together on the tail very little yaw with a failure, and of course zero yaw if it’ the centre engine.
The single lever is no problem, if you can fly a fighter like the Rafale with a single lever, you can fly a business jet as well.
It’s actually not a bad idea. In modern FADEC controlled engines, you’re not moving the thrust lever very much yourself. If at all.
If an engine fails, there’s no reason once the fuel is shut off, one lever for both can’t be used.
thank god they using side stick, more plane industries now realize that side stick more safe
“I will let you go Ricky Bobby, but first I want you to say “I….love….crepes”.
Thanks Jean Girard for the tour.
Amazing!!!
Wooooooow it’s so nice 😍😍
This is why I love flying the 737. Yes it is a throwback design to the 60’s. But it also a pilot’s airplane. You have to manually move switches, interpret data, and think your way through situations. In short, you have to be a pilot…
I understand that this is the future. But as these aircraft become increasingly more sophisticated our role is morphing into automation managers. My favorite words to hear when I’m flying are “cleared for the visual approach.” Autopilot and auto thrust off. Time to look out the window and be a pilot…
I disagree even Bomardier and other planemakers like Hondajet do not want to use the outdated yoke or other systems still found on Boeing jets. The Falcon Eye sytem greatly enhances visual awareness and makes the plane safer.
using stupid outdated yoke? really? lol
@@techdefined9420Any of you care to talk about Cessna? Even though Cessna is a branch of Textron Aviation, their Cessna Citation Longitude which is their current latest private jet still uses yokes just like with Boeing jets.
@@angelorobel12 Cessna was hardly ever at the forefront of innovation and is very conservative/ partly outdated technology.
@@techdefined9420 Correct. Even if that techology is partly outdated, those planes from Cessna are still needed for use in flight schools.
Some nice innovations, but single throttle could be an issue on specific emergency scenarios. I see no advantage and only potential problems.
Mon jardinier en a commandé un. :)
Merci pour cette video tres enrichissante.
"Control as sharp as the rafale" !!!
yeah sure
@@wololo10 "yeah sure"
En fait c'est possible avec les control de vol électronique vu que tu peux paramètrer exactement comment l'avion se comporte et Dassault sont des expert en commande de vol électronique donc je veux bien les croire.
@@anteekoElectronic flight control does not change the aerodynamics of the plane. And it should be pretty obvious that a business jet is not designed to be as maneuverable as a fighter jet.
@@skirata3144 "Electronic flight control does not change the aerodynamics of the plane. And it should be pretty obvious that a business jet is not designed to be as maneuverable as a fighter jet."
He said "sharp" not "manoeuvrable". Sharpness, precision is totally within the domaine of the electronic flight control which Dassault are expert at.
One example: all 320, 330, 350, 380 flight command react very similarly. Thanks to the electronic flight control being set up with similar parameter to shorten pilot training.
It is the advantage of letting a computer fly your plane.
Sleep on the flight or sleeping while waiting for passengers on the ground?
the fadec probably takes care of it
Love the 10x They might be jumping the shark with the new interior design. How do those funky seats turn into berths. I think they d could lose customers to the Global 7500/8000 just on this alone. Nuage seats with their zero gravity concept and more traditional appearance is much more appealing, I think. But i love Dassault, hopefully, I’m proved wrong.
I like his accent 😅😂
And ... what if there is a problem with the ... let's say graphic card... is there one per screen .. can a screen be displayed on an other one if it break ?
yes, everything is backed up. It have been for the bast 15 years in either EASy cokcpit or vision flight deck. so in flight no problem but before the next flight, you cannot dispatch without working PFD. But usually you can swap with the ones with wich you can dispatch while INOP
single throttle...wow I just can't judge.
The Praetor interior is so much nicer
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@Boeing good to know the 737 will never get this good.
I miss the older version of trijet engine
only if the A321-200 Neo LR was this advanced in terms of user friendly . . .
Oui monsieur. Bon Nuit. 😔
Dassault jumped the shark on the 10x. I don't like anything about this airplane. It's the just because you can doesn't mean you should design. The 7X and 8X are everything a Falcon should be, and what their customers love about the brand. This feels like a Bombardier or Gulfstream cosplay but getting everything wrong. Flightdeck ergonomics are atrocious, the interior is not gonna win them any favors either. Dassault on a 1 way trip to nowhere.
flir is pimp
why there competitors like g700 or global 75/8000 are much more expensive than dessault? there must be a reason
They all cost the same, 75 million US, there is no difference in base price.
I would like to buy a hamburger.. mmbugah
Twingens
Touch screens and aircraft don’t mix
Maybe in the last century. Every modern fighter has a touchscreen cockpit, and so do Airbus A350, Gulfstream 7 family and Bombardier Global 7500.
They work extremely well. The GVII (and soon to be GVIII) series have hand grips around all of the touchscreen’s so in turbulence your hand is steady allowing your thumb to be very accurate with any selection.
@@wgeffon it’s not so much turbulence, it’s having tactile feedback from an actual button press. It would be almost impossible to use in a smoke filled cockpit, you’d have no idea what you are pushing. It’s all down to cost, once developed the touch screens save money and time on manufacturing. They’re a solution to a problem that never existed
@@jonathanbeattie3410 Your points are well taken. But, in a smoke filled cockpit, I’d still have no idea what button I was pressing.
I know the general layout of switches and buttons in the Challenger I fly but if I can’t see them, it’s still a guess.
Dassault need to do something about the single throttle. So many people don't trust that. Please tell them.
No those pilots from the past should stay aways and fly an old Cessna.
Auto throttle 😂😂… maybe auto thrust…
I wonder when will they remove pilots…
Awesome anyways! Superb
Passengers would never have the guts to fly in an aircraft without pilots...and they know that. It's that simple.
Have you seen how many pilots have croaked at the controls or been dragged out of the flight deck in last 2 years? They cant make driverless cars work.
Guys, take a look on what's going on in the military. There are programs like X47b and Euron.. autonomous fighter jets.. I think it's a matter of time.. today, an Airbus is fully capable to fly from pt A to B, land safely and almost taxi to the gate.. technology already exists...
I agree, people might not be prepared for this just yet..
Theres a big difference between a military mission with 1 pilot, and removing said pilot. Whole nother ball game with 300 people on board in the middle of the Atlantic. How would miracle on the hudson have gone down with autonomous control? Never ever in the hudson with everyone living. Ask those 200 people that lived. Not ONE would get on a AI flown plane. I wouldnt
@@maj1664 good luck finding a insurance carrier to cover that first AI only passenger flight. And as soon as a AI plane taxis into a terminal, thats all she wrote.
The chief test pilot needs to improve his English
where's the surrender button? like when i press it a white flag pops out
Beautiful Jet. Can't wait to fly in it soon. #jakehunter88
We still need a corrected REAL altimeter…backed up (error checked) by gps altitude and RAD alt