My Trip Round the Superloop
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Well I for one am appalled by the blatant lies* Jago has tried to fool us with. Whoever heard of such madness. Ohhhhhh. Apparently we can get airplanes from the Heathrow place. Paaaa I say!
* For the 'intelligence-challenged': CLEARLY he wasn't lying and the above was satire. There shouldn't be any of you out there who need this explaining. There won't be if 'they've' read this far. But we all know they exist
I fully expect we will soon get a Geoff Marshall "Least used stops on the Superloop".
Hes done the Superloop
@@ziggarillo He has, but not the "least used stops".
Wickham Road on the SL5
Well... Geoff has already done the superloop, in the clockwise direction, from saaf of the river...
Mr M is currently marooned at the "end of the line" at Stratford, or so my UA-cam feed tells me. 😄
Top marks for use of the term "widdershins"!
Geoff Marshall said that the SL5 is a single-decker due to the large number of overhanging trees on the route, so that's three possible reasons.
14:54 Wow! A Vauxhall Carlton Estate! I'm sure pointing out cars on a public transport channel is breaking several unwritten rules, but still- you never see those nowadays. What a survivor!
Well-spotted! 🚙
Trees can be cutback, this isn't the immediate reason, its a low bridge which is.
@@hx0dexactly…he BSed that claim since he didn’t know why or his handlers at TfL never told him
Terry Pratchett used it a lot.
@@dogwalker666 Say His Name. Well Done.
Waiting for him to say "You're the loop to my super" or something
Like it, but the actual one he used was even funnier.
@@jeffreyjoshuarollin9554Yes, it made me chuckle 😊
When I was a driver at Centrebus in St Albans (subsequently taken over by Uno), we had a route called the 320 that eventually went from Watford, to St Albans, Wheathampstead, Harpenden, Redbourne and eventually Hemel Hempstead. It was a 5-hour round trip, but it was basically a horseshoe-shaped route, with Watford and Hemel only being about 20 minutes apart from each other if you went directly. So occasionally, seeing 'Hemel Hempstead' on the destination blind, someone would get on at Watford and buy a single to Hemel, not realising that it was going to take them two and a half hours to get there if the driver was not being particularly helpful. That meant that the driver taking over the bus just north of St Albans would then have to deal with the wrath of the passenger who had not been informed how long it was going to take.
As an Harrovian, I can confirm that the SL9 is busy at almost all times of the day. There was a lot of the usual carping and negativity about the scheme but it has proved to be darned useful and popular. It even makes the Elizabeth Line vaguely accessible for N.W. Londoners. But don't get me started on the TfL website - it really is rubbish! 😵💫
It goes past Northolt station, every bus that stops there is busy.
SL9, 140, 120, 282, and the 90 (when it decides to show up.)
It seems to be one of the major public transport nodes in NW London, much to everyone who has to go there chagrin.
@@johnodonnell1506 Yes, it's mayhem. I think it's partly because the roads around the A40 are so difficult to navigate - especially since the grim 20mph limits were imposed so widely. It also brings the underused Northolt Park station into play and so I have now been known to travel to Marylebone and back via that route rather than from H-o-t-Hill. Makes a change - but deffo needs more services and then, as Jago often says, people might actually use it!!
The lack of any luggage space is a big problem because the only practical place for Heathrow Airport passengers to put their suitcases is the wheelchair space which becomes an issue if someone wants to board with a pushchair or if a wheelchair user boards.
@@brianparker663Yay, Northolt Park! Jago really ought to make a video about that gem of a station.
@@johnm2012 Agreed - and I'm always lobbying for Jago or Geoff to look at West Harrow. It's got to be one of the most unusual stations - not even on a main road, no bus serves it, no shops, no barriers on Uxbridge bound side and no overbridge or underpass (you have to go out and in again!). It is truly still the little community halt it always was. (and The Two Ronnies used to film in the allotments there!! 😃).
Geoff Marshall gave me the Intro Course and now I’m learning a new module under Jago.
Geoff is the PR promo, Jago is the actual experience
looks like the Superloop is continuing the tradition of London orbital routes having gaps in them at the eastern river crossing - the North and South Circular Roads only meet at Kew, and the Dartford crossing runs into M25 at both ends, but is not actually part of it or even a motorway itself (it's numbered A282)
Dartford crossing is very often a car park with some vehicle movement ... with an extra charge for the priviledge of using, ie not fit for purpose!
The London LOOP walking route does the same thing too - it has unconnected ends at Erith and Purfleet.
At least the M25 has no gap.
Hi Jago, the SL5 is a single decker because of the low bridges at Eden Park Station, which it passes under. The bridges famously got a halfords lorry stuck under it with the vinyl 'we fit', on the back of it.
Ironically, it did not fit, and nor would double decker buses!
LT never did replace the Weymann bodied low height (13' 6") RT's, they were mainly on the country network. The lowered gangway on the offside top deck led to many a banged head downstairs when getting up from the offside seats. They could have made a low height RM. Suppose not really needed as single deck buses got longer and higher capacity.
Well in that case, the question is: why does the SL5 go past Eden Park in the first place?
There is an alternative route without an underbridge - via West Wickham station. It’s even shorter than the current route. Is Eden Park really such a major destination that it’s worth sacrificing a second deck just to go there?
@@KasabianFan44 I guess the combination of the Chinese Garage, Bethlem Hospital and Langley Park school makes it worthwhile. Saves another bus going through the High Street or busy side roads of West Wickham too.
I live in the area and I'm just grateful there's now a fast bus to East Croydon. Already saved literally hundreds on not having to uber there a couple times a week.
I think Eden Park is supposed to end up on the bakerloo line extension... eventually.
The 11" 8+8 has many faces i see
/silly
Super Loop: actually exists
Hyper loop: will never exist
Maybe the Hyperloop is just Superloop buses with go faster stripes 😂
And Loopy de Loop was a kindly cartoon wolf.
Shift loop
Control loop
Meta loop
Top loop
Greek loop
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@@stephenspackman5573alt loop
For Linux users: compose loop
Hyperloop have gone bankrupt, The prototype "lol" Was demolished to make a carpark. It always was an impossible scam.
I used to hate buses and didn't go on one for 20 years in the 80's. Then I got a bus pass and now I love them!
My sis and I did the superloop too, though admittedly over two days with the help of the Elizabeth line.
2 weeks ago I made the journey from home in Coventry to Trafalgar Square by bus, 8 of them, it took 12 hours and was very tiring and sweaty. Ever since I've been trying to come up with new chains of bus routes to travel along so this video has dropped at the right moment.
I've thought of doing things like this for fun too - did you save any money? It would be fun to plan the most scenic bus routes.
You might like this film about a chap who saw how far he could get from London in 24 hrs by bus: (it was Morecambe) ua-cam.com/video/SRZCWhOpWag/v-deo.html
@@manonvernon8646 this time around, a bit maybe. It depends how you get home afterwards and how much that total cost compares to return train tickets to and from London
I’ve done Southampton to London, Southampton to Brighton
In case anyone may be wondering, the SL5 route is a single decker due to low hanging trees along the route (as stated in Geoff Marshall's SL5 video).
Whilst this is definitely a factor, the SL5 also passes under the Eden Park Station bridge, which is too low for double decker buses. South Eden Park Road is too narrow for 2 double decker buses to pass each other, which is also one of the roads used by the bus.
and he lied or BSed the answer…it’s a bridge jot trees
if it actually was trees they would have been cut back to allow access
@@georgelmattGeoff pulled that claim out of thin air or he was lied to by his TfL handlers
@@georgelmatt honestly, if it's too narrow for two double decker busses to pass each other, I can't imagine two single decker busses having much joy either.
@@bostonrailfan2427 The problem with trees is that any cutting back is the responsibility of the Local Authority who may be uncooperative in the face of local protestors and preservation orders. (Red Routes may be different). A few years back one of the routes into Camden was converted to DD but, IIRC, it was over a year before the overhanging branches were removed to allow the new buses to be used.
Whether you've "done the superloop" depends on which category you are entering.
One is to travel between North Woolwich and Thamesmead using only superloop buses, and you have done that one.
The other is to ride the entire network, and I guess when SL4 launches, you would have to use another mode of transport to reach it, and, as SL6 is peak only, then realistically it isn't going to be possible to do it in a day without using another mode of transport to reach one of the ends of it.
An in-depth look at each of the routes sounds interesting, plus an examination of future proposals. I do use one of the SuperLoop bus routes since the bus stops for the service are quite nearby.
Agreed, looks like a good idea to me too.
You are the first Jago to do it. So proud of you!
I'd like more bus stuff in general. I like buses when I'm going somewhere unfamiliar as I can get a clear idea of the area. It also allows for spotting something interesting and getting off at the next stop for a good look.
This looks like something for me to try out next time I'm in the UK. I don't come back often and when I do, I usually like to take a day to just get on random buses to reconnect with my home town. The Superloop looks like an ideal way to do that with its miles of nondescript suburban roads.
Wow, doing the whole loop fall a whole day is really something to do on a nice Sunday outing. I like the shots you filmed including the lovely ones like when the sun is setting.
To get from dartford to bromley for work, its either 3 trains (to avoid paying for going into zone 1) or about 2 hours by bus, whereas a train line going around would be really useful
To think this journey once had a direct bus between the two, I have a London bus map from 1970 and it showed it as the 725 greenline route between Gravesend and Windsor via Bromley, Croydon, Kingston and Staines! Shame TFL seems allergic to providing bus routes from beyond its political borders, plenty of journeys like yours that have to cross counties and there should be decent, reasonable services to accommodate for that. Living in Hertfordshire, close to London it's similarly frustrating for me too.
@@aaronsmith9209
You've got me worried that my memory is not as good as it was: the x26 was a rebrand (and curtail) of, so I thought, the 726 which ran from Dartford via Croydon and Kingston to Heathrow. Was it actually the 725 that did that or was it really the 726.
@@cigmorfil4101 The 726 looks like it came later as it isn't on my 1970 map but exists alongside the 725 in my 1981 map between Dartford and Bromley. No idea when the 725 disappeared but yeah I heard the X26 was a cut down version of the 726. That change came near the end of the 90s and I think over the years what is now the SL7 has done really well and is very useful, I hope they don't change it.
Mrs Boulder describes Hula Hoops as her "Superloops"
Re: that shot of the Superloop stuck in traffic on the North Circular at 14:21. I can't understand why TFL has routed the bus to run down the central, congested bit of the North Circular, when the road to the left is used by three different buses and leads to a bus lane on the North Circular. And most infuriatingly, it would flow perfectly from there to its next stop at Green Lanes. Utter madness, I can't imagine what they were thinking. Following the 102 or 34 route from Silver Street would allow them to do this and save a heck of a lot of time.
Because tfl.
They likely have to pay someone somewhere to use those bus lanes.
similar situation with the SL2, at 2:31 in this video, where it goes on north circular SB heading towards UEL docklands, but the 366 and i believe 325 goes down side roads at fresh wharf and the SL2 should probably follow the same route to not get caught up with cars and traffic lights, but not going into east beckton triangle (the 366 and 325 just goes into east beckton triangle and sainsburys, then turns around, back at east beckton triangle on the other side, then turns right, the superloop can just immediately turn left to join up with the same bit). i also think that the SL2 should call at gallions reach retail park as loads of people use the 366 between there and barking station
Gosh this brings back memories of sitting on a double decker bus going around London at various times.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, as a resident of Hanworth, I have a lifelong vendetta against the SL7.
It doesn't stop here despite connections to several other bus services, being halfway between two stops, and both of those stops being twice as far from each other as every other stop.
Justice 4 Hanworth ✊️😔
EDIT: Just saw that you mentioned the longest gap between two stops!!! THAT'S WHERE I LIVE :(((((((
When I visited London with my wife, we decided to go to Thamesmead and we waited for the bus back from a place very similar to Thamesmead Town Centre @ 13:45 (it was actually Thamesmead Carlyle Road, just a couple stops before it).
It was after dark and we were on our own. We did hate being stuck there.
Jago on a bus
*Me gets up of the sofa to adjust the vertical hold*
Haha. Jago did do a bus journey last year but I can't remember which one. Good comment though.
Super Loop makes it sound so exiting
"exciting" ?
Though as they're all limited-stop, you can't exit at as many places as the regular non-Superloop buses... 😉
Oooooh, look at Jago getting the front seat on the top deck! Hope you had a fun day. We need more express buses. 🚌
Another very cool video! I would definitely ride on this line if I were there.
Yay, I did this about 6 weeks ago. Interesting journey.
nice day for it x
Ever since a summer job as a bus conductor in Liverpool I have loved the views from the top-deck. Interesting views from the top deck could work as an occasional . . ..
I do not live in London or the UK. I am however an old Londoner, and I'd love to ride the Superloop because it connects me to my hometown. Also, I'm sure, as you said, that it has its benefits connecting the gaps, and that alone is a good reason for it's existence. Please make more videos on the singular journeys. I'm happy about any glimpse I get of my home- and dream town.
0:07 - Extra points for 'Supaflors' on a video about Superloop... That was superb
LOVED THIS. Thanks and well done.
I have nothing to do and might just hop the SL3 from Bromley to Thamesmead. I can still manage the stairs and I like the elevated view from the upper deck.
Bromley to Thamesmead is odd as your go along a major A road near Bexleyheath, but the other direction it follows the the other bus routes
I enjoyed that - i liked the shots from top of the double deckers, almost seemed like flying, except where the windows were filthy. Bonus points for all the (appropriately) circular buildings you included at 01:52 02:54 03:08 (and maybe 12:18 which is probably more an octagon).
There's always more room on the upper deck- most people are too lazy to climb the stairs.
8 hours! I admire your endurance.
Here in Thanet we have a bus service called the Loop that goes round Ramsgate - Broadstairs - Margate - QEQM hospital - Westwood X mall.
It is good and frequent and I like idea of London having a Superloop now
SL5'er here. tis good! saves schlepping to beckenham junction for the tram to croydon. the bus goes (sort of) past my house, cutting time considerably and with less faff. hopping on it going the other way, is another, and quicker bus trip into bromley. sorted. oh and it's a single decker because of low railway bridge(s) en route.
No, its because of low trees- see earlier comments!
I enjoyed the contextual editing around the sponsor. Very fun :)
You are the "like" to Jago's algorithm.... hit it now please 😮
As The Bevis Frond sang, "The view from city buses is most wondrous to behold, as the panoply of bridges, domes and alleyways unfolds" (from the track "Waving") - one massive reason to prefer buses to the tube, seeing interesting things. Thanks for another lovely video.
I've got that Chas and Dave snooker song in my head now.
Not the first but unquestionably the best.
The reason the SL5 are single deckers is they have a lot of low trees which are listed on the route and are not allowed to be pollarded therefore the single decker busses are the only thing that can cope with the route. The SL3 is also unique as it's the only one using routemaster (TFL had loads spare and found a use for them) but as a result it has to bypass Bexley village as the routemaster are 11.2 meters long and cannot make the turn. When the SL3 gets new busses in January they may be rerouting it via old Bexley to speed up it's route !
We have a "loop" bus in Birmingham - the 11 (11C for clockwise, 11A for anti-clockwise)!
But recentlyit was split at Acocks Green and Perry Barr! GRRRRR!
Done to improve timekeeping. If a bus was delayed on the old circle, it would struggle to catch up. Now, the turnround time can be curtailed to get it back on stream. Just like the Circle line in London.
London is clearly much larger than I thought and I was born there many years ago.
@@angelmessenger8240 I remember the LCC which was smaller than the GLC area and the London Traffic Area stretches out to Redhill and Watford.
You covered a lot of places I used to know well (before I moved to Wales) especially the bit past Ilford station! I spent most of my life in Redbridge, and had several jobs which took me all over London in various vans, lorries, and cars, so I reckon I recognised at least half the places you showed.
Once again, Jago does it so we don't have to. And we should really be grateful.
Very informative and I didn’t know about the Superloop until your video and very well timed on your posting of it. I got to use SL1 to North Finchley when I was over in London last week via Silver Street 👍
I use the Superloop fairly regularly, particularly the SL5 to escape East Croydon Station. My view on the Superloop is that it is like a public transport version of the ringways motorway project in the 60s/70s. Flow traffic around the London boroughs to make travel easier but also relieve pressure on outer to central London rail travel.
I do wonder whether a rail equivalent for south London could work though. My broad proposal would be:
Orpington - Bromley South - Beckenham Junction - Crystal Palace - Streatham Hill - Balham - Clapham Junction
I think it would have to stop at Clapham Junction or continue into Victoria to reverse the train, but it would allow interchange between SouthEastern, Southern, Thameslink, Overground, SWR and Tramlink.
Can trains reverse at Clapham Junction from the Balham direction easily?
@@fetchstixRHD I doubt it, hence my point that it would likely have to run into Victoria to reverse.
@@fetchstixRHD Yes but via the train wash so operationally not feasible.
0:15 You could say for the benefit of those "Out of the loop" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH comedy
I've never been a huge bus fan, but i understand it's place as a vital part of a transport network. Glad to see BRT becoming a thing even in heavily connected cities
watching sunset from lesnes abbey is one of my favourite to do as a teenager. used to deliver papers on new road as a kid, too. 15:31
Being from Croydon I find it hilarious that your journey ran so smoothly until it got to here. The SL5 starts at Park Street which was literally 1 minute walk away from where you were filming, bus stop KH. Enjoyed the video 👍
i may be correct in thinking the SL5 starts at croydon park street
(to get there, get a tram to wellesley road and look towards the bit where the tram curves left towards east croydon. you'll also see buses turning left to east croydon, but also straight and right to this tiny curved road that says 'bus only', and then crosses over the road going the other way. follow that and the bus stop is just there)
I have rode it in one day & went from Croydon to Croydon, I started at the St George's walk bus stop (that is a relatively new stop & not sure if anything comes up for that stop) & finished at West Croydon bus station
Super loopy nuts are we, you and him and them and me. Super loopy nuts are we, we're all super loopy.
15:20 This is exactly where my brain went too.
Then something like:
We’ll show you what we can do with a load of buses and a rebrand too.
Hop on board then, sit back
On the Orange, Green, Teal, Blue, Pink and Black.
Chas and Dave?
@@CarolineFord1 yeah
Very nice Jago.... i remember North Woolwich well, having grown up around East Ham in the 1970s..... The Royal Docks were still docks then.... Where the buses stand at North Woolwich used to be railway land, and was behind a wall, the tunnel entrance was pretty much the limit of the pavement/roadway back then.... As you say, you're not the first to film this trip (i believe a certain Mr Marshall beat you to it!....lol) but always nice to see how others have fared on their journey around the chaos that is London......
I live between 2 stops on the SL9 route. Lots of people near me work at Heathrow and they now have to take 2 buses instead of 1, or have a 10 minute walk. I travel every day now from Harrow to Hayes, and can say the 140 is just as quick as the SL9 from South Harrow to The Grapes due to lack of overtaking opportunities and a couple of unnecessary stops. I would be fine with it if the 140 continued to the airport.
Croydon! Yes, I understand your frustration. I lived there for nearly six years and fully understand the pain of public transport (even after the Tramlink). I shall say no more.
Very informative many thanks
I haven’t been on the Superloop yet but I will get the chance to ride on the Superloop. It’s nice to see the Superloop network across London.
I love these dull suburbs; so many places which mean a lot to me. An 8 hour top deck front seat view with nice music would be good??
I went on the SL5 earlier from Bromley North to East Croydon . First time on one and it was very fast. Impressed
Just as an FYI, this video has actually served a real world purpose. A pal of mind needs to fly down from Glasgow to Heathrow for a thing in New Malden, and was wondering how to get between the two. My initial suggestion - Liz to Farringdon, Thameslink to London Bridge, Southeastern to Waterloo East, a short walk to Waterloo, then a SWR to New Malden seems ridiculously complicated as opposed to a short trip on the SL7.
Very informative and interesting video
Brilliant video sir.
You showed the actual Croydon SL5 stop at the 11:36 mark: next to the hoardings for the building site opposite the entrance to St George's Walk, just round the corner from the library. I caught it earlier today...
Mystery solved, thank you! 👍
Jagos Croydon rant ( I think due to rebuilding in the area I think) is worthy of a Roger French blog rant
The SL5 and SL7 meet at East Croydon Station, so don't see what the problem is...
Super stuff Jago - great info., and I think this video is a very good commentary on the Superloop bus services. Your observation of the re-branding of some former X ('Express') bus routes, is well taken. On your recent video focusing on express London Underground trains, I mentioned about the old 'X' bus routes, so it's good to see them mentioned in this video.
The possible connection of Thamesmead with Beckton Riverside on the DLR, seems to be mentioned increasingly, so maybe we'll see another extension to the DLR. Thanks for the great video. 👏🏾🌟👏🏾
I think the one thing that the superloop is really missing is fare integration with not only other buses but rail transport. Connections are always at least a bit of an obstacle in public transport, but they are even more of an obstacle when people have to pay again. These buses are designed for bringing people to transport hubs quickly, so I feel they would get more usage, say people from Thamesmead trying to get to Central London via Abbey Wood, if they could do it on one fare, as that will make the connection from (superloop) bus to rail be perceived as simpler.
You can use a travel card, its fully integrated
@@ziggarillo I know you can use the same card, but people will still find the fact they have to pay again as an obstacle, even if it doesn't slow them down.
@@ziggarilloyes but the travel card caps are higher than the fare caps for bus and tram only
This issue stops me using the trains from elephant and castle. By the time I’ve paid for a bus I might as well stay on buses. If there was a Thameslink stop between Elephant and Loughborough Junction it would be different but they both closed a long time ago.
@@CarolineFord1 There are murmurings about reopening Camberwell station. Not any time soon though.
The Croydon situation sounds like the invisible pig needs lipstick. Thank you, Jago, for giving me more reason to book a flight from Seattle. I could spend weeks following buses, trains, The Underground, and the DLR of the Hazard Trail.
I know this is a big ask given how narrow a subject this is, but could you do a video that covers the history of the Hanmerton Ferry and other ferries in around Twickenham and Richmond?
Also just checked, the SL5 starts at Park Street (stop KH) which is parallel to the George Street tramstop.
I was in London staying near Heathrow a few months ago and I was tempted to take the SL9 to get up to Hayes & Harlington Elizabeth Line. I have to confess that I chickened out and went back to Heathrow and caught the train from there because I was more familiar with that route. Next time I will be braver after watching this!
Well look at that, the first stop you showed (Wallington Green) was where I used to wait for the then X26 to East Croydon every morning about 11 years ago.
I use the SL2 sometimes. I like the idea of the superloop covering routes not linked by rail
The ride on the hole was pretty comfortable.
The X26 was a rebrand of the 726.
The 726 originally ran Dartford to Heathrow via Croydon. I can't remember if the X26 did that as well and was then curtailed to Croydon to Heathrow.
As an express service the X26 was actually not permitted to use any bus lane which had a "Local" moniker.
"I'd like to know if that's something you'd like to see" - you know the answer to that Jago!
For me, the SL7 works over the X26 just because of the doubled frequency and thus enhanced availability. On the days when I’m working near East Croydon, the trawl round from Worcester Park is just quicker than train and tram via Wimbledon.
I use the SL1 from Walthamstow to get to North Finchley because I usually see my friends who live in North London. It's much quicker than the 34 bus which is what this bus mirrors. And covers a bit of the 221 bus as well. I think it helps that the Superloop buses covers and mirrors existing buses around London. Like SL3 is mirroring 301 and 269, SL9 is mirroring 140 and 278 and SL5 is mirroring the 119 bus. SL10 for 125 and 183. Making journeys faster than those regular buses
Got an idea!! How about tube station to tube station on the superloop, this would be useful to get round the suburban areas on the tube instead of having to go into town!!
Well done Jago, keep up the brilliant work 👍👍👍👍
I often use the SL7 from Croydon, although rarely all the way to Heathrow! A few times from Heathrow to Croydon, though. It’s a heck of a route.
Enjoyable as always, Jago!
Interesting circumferential odyssey! The Superloop around London's fringe is a great idea - if only they could sort out the missing link that is Croydon.
There's something similar in Leicester, now called the "Orbital" it connects various estates, hospitals etc etc of Leicester without heading into the City Centre.
the old x26 used to be horrible during peak times, always crowded and stuffy due to it hardly ever coming... i remember when it was single decker too! still a popular bus service back then especially for the school crowds, so i have no clue why they ever thought that was a good idea... the increased service on the sl7 during peak times is very much needed
i agree that the sl7 makes everything a lot easier, i no longer have a sense of dread going to kingston and having to trundle along on the 213 for 45mins... and the journey from croydon is a lot shorter than i expected, which opens up whole new casually accessible areas, especially as i have a lot of friends near croydon and se london... its really become my favourite bus route lol
Great again jh 😊
what a great video Jago
_Super Loopy, nuts are we... we are Super Loopy!_ 🎶I think to do it properly, you should start at Russell Square then loop clockwise, or anti-clockwise from Croydon.
What London needs is a proper "Hospital Hopper" like they do in Leicester. A bus that just goes from one hospital to another would be handy for those who have multiple appointments and have difficulty using the tube and getting on and off multiple buses. Or even one that covers one particular "trust" with an interconnection to jump to another "trust".
What London needs back is something like the old RV1 but much longer say from Putney to Barrier Park.
Giving a bus a lick of paint and making livery the same is big thing some people like my mother who;s partially sighted. She knows if it's big and red, it's a bus!
Which hospitals? London has a LOT of hospitals. The G1 bus goes to Springfield Hospital and St George’s Hospital, but I’m not sure extending it to King’s at Denmark Hill, or to Croydon would give much
London Tube gets all the fame with tourists, but London Buses are a really nice way to see a ton.
I used to live very close, in Sunbury, to the route of the 725 Green Line bus, which went from Windsor to Gravesend via Kingston, Croydon and Bromley. The Green Line buses were very good. I think the SuperLoop has its origin in some of the Green Line routes. Philip Heselton
Superloop inspired me to ride a less-super loop in San Antonio, TX. Two routes (102 and 552) that form a complete 50-ish mile loop.
The superloop branding really is a harking back to the Docklands express route from the 90's.
Single deckers are used on shorter work as you can just crush load in some cases( red arrow Leyland national comes to mind)
Over the years LT and now of course the companies that operate on their behalf have tried various ideas.
London united with Westlink and in the past the RedEexpress X43.
It's however good these ideas are being put out as we all use to a greater or lesser degree public transport.
Sorry slight ex busman slipping out...
Anyway please keep up the excellent work as I find your videos extremely interesting and very insightful.
Well, that's very interesting. Superloop busses stop and the end of my road but I had no idea what they were about.
Double-decker buses seem so luxurious to me- particularly having a front seat. Los Angeles had them in the 1980s, but only in the 1980s. Given the problems with blood, vomit, urine, and people using the buses to sleep and/or shoot heroin, I can see how the idea hasn't been revived. I still don't understand why London buses and trains don't have these problems.
In Rotterdam there's a tour bus which is also a boat, and I think TfL should buy a few of those to close the loop between North Woolwich and Thamesmead. Also just in general, it's great fun to drive in (and out of) the river.
Considering TfL stopped doing the "heritage" Routemaster buses a while ago, I would be very surprised if they'd even get to that (and are those buses accessible? I could imagine that there may be more of an issue with those compared to the old Routemasters).
I'm sure that a while ago there were many of those types of buses in London (was it Duck tours or something that did them?), not sure if they're still around, haven't noticed them at least...