from what i understand motorcycle reg covers everything that can be "ridden" push bike, horse, quad-bike and or farm bike, dirt bike (weekend warriors) aka all unregistered modes of transport we pay for as far as im aware = 80% of all acc claims not road riders, this bullshit needs to stop
I agree, and big majority of road motorcycle accidents are done by car drivers not seeing bikes and not looking for bikes either. loud pipes save lives!
Certain that farm bikes,motoX bikes,trail riders were/are entered as motorcycle accidents by ambos and emergency departments. Time they shouldered their own acc levies 😢
The biggest extra cost to motorcyclists is the fact that ACC is a no fault scheme, so rider injuries from car versus motorcycle where the car is in the wrong, are charged to the motorcycle account. Off road injuries on unregistered bikes are the same. Horses and pushbikes I'm pretty sure are general account and don't affect premium for MC's. I would hope farm injuries are from farmer premiums. I believe around 40% of MC injuries are car in the wrong.
@RogerWoodhouse why not it's apatt of it as you motorcycle runs in there numbers with bikers laid out like the domino effect never seen moto-x riders fail a trick or flip there bikr
As a motorcycle rider now for over 62 years, thank you sincerely for your superb video helping to make motorcyclists aware. Of being dicked financially speaking year after year. All I know, as it is for very many other even more important things, is that it’s simple and effective, to just not comply. Freedom indeed is one reason I continue to ride. Kia ora all 😎🏍🌏💜
Hey man, thank you for lovely message, much appreciated, freedom is the most imprtant thing and for many of us motorcycles do just that. No one likes cuffs on their hands for whatever reason, whether they are real or finantial
@ Kapai Wrenching Irons….as an aside, your name (handle) is something I’ve done all my life time, wrenching iron elsewhere and nationwide. Be it on 2 wheels or guiding a heavy 34 or more, and gratefully now I’ve learnt of something else I’m endeavouring to share with any and all. FREEDOM….is truth! Safe happy tracks brother…and who knows, perhaps we’re destined to meet in life as it unwinds like a new different road. Kia ora 🏍🚛😎🌏💜
@@whitelineinmind would be awesome to meet up like minded folks who know what real work is and passion for metal work :) I am sure we will meet up at some point!
would be great to get some legal knowledge on this to protect ourselves with it, It would be good to organize some kind of seminar or education night on the legalities of ownership etc. aye?
Motorcycle don't need wof as long tyres brakes no leaks it Allgood, don't pay registration, registration means the brittish royalty owns your car ,bike what ever, plus Motorcycle is not commercial driving it is a private property , wof is good and services only in that workplace of wof , after that it expired , This was on fairgo , don't need driving license can't drive a bike , 😮 it stealing money they call it revenue ,
Tell tem to fk right off . If we all stop paying thier extortion taxes. They will have to change. This country is becoming more draconian by the bloody day . Sad reality this woke BS needs to stop
Totally agree that the ACC levy should be on your license, not per vehicle. We can only ride one bike at a time. Maybe ACC cover should only apply if you can prove that you have paid an ACC levy. I hate the fact that everyone who rides on 2 wheels is covered under the levy we pay.
Thanks for putting this out there The ACC proposals are outrages, and I hope all motorcyclists saddle up and show we are not happy about it this Sunday.
Yep got an 850 commando, disc front drum rear brakes, no interactors, no abs or anything $58 a year, also have a 2016 Dyna big $ to rego. Bullshit, can only ride one at a time.
@@PaulG.xwow your lucky, friend of mine has a Hyde Harrier (T160 in a Mc Intosh frame) but a later frame and not first regd till about 2014 I think so he’s paying heaps for having a late frame and 1970’s engine🤬
using registration cost against gangs is pointless... they don't register their illegally obtained firearms, why would they worry about having a wof'd and rego'd bike? What could be considered is compulsory insurance (for all vehicle operators, not the vehicle itself) and the ACC levy being based Apon how many accidents that operator has caused, and tack that on to the insurance premium... as for dirtbikers with non registered, non street legal dirtbikes that get hurt & covered by acc. why is that cost put on those who have nothing to do with the "off road" sport? It's like runners having to pay for rugby players because they also run! We are regular people who love the method we have found to reduce the congestion problem. and as we are reducing the congestion problem (while commuting to work on our bikes) we should actually be getting safe lanes to ride in, just like the pushbikers get lanes, but they would rather ride on the footpath so they don't have to obey the road rules.
Agreed why muck about trying to charge gangs extra registration fees just go an take there bikes an anything else they own sell it to pay back the public for all the B/S they cause join a gang give up your rights that's how it should be not this Nancy pansy approach
Got that right, spot on. Only thing I object to is when cyclists ride on the footpath, it us to stay away from cars as they are often distracted on their phones, eating etc.
yeah bro and you park wherever you want most of time, on the side walks, even in brissy they have bike parks everywhere on sidewalks, and in nz bikes are such hustle, I got fined in Wellington for parking on a carpark on a street, parks had the numbers embeded in the floor, I paid for my park and when I came back hour later I was fined 60 bucks, because somewhere in deep world of by laws there is a clause that motorcycles can't park in a CARPARK! fucking nuts
Push bikes should be register they got their own lane $500 a year they took the money from the roaring for cycle lanes.they a lot of cyclists don’t use
As population grows, it is inefficient and costly for cities to use their limited space on cars. Roads and parking are large and expensive to maintain and roads and parking only cost cities unlike other uses. Bicycles take up far less space compared to single occupant cars. Trains and buses are the most efficient means of transport. Trains are expensive and buses get caught in car traffic if they aren't segregated (like trains). Alternative transport systems must be worked on and bicycles are just one of these systems where once set up are extremely cheap to maintain because they don't damage their paths. They're also accessible to own and healthy.
@@Emanicas try to say that to 50000 odd commuters just in Welly region aye. Who's going to cycle from upper hutt every morning. In big high density cities sure. In sprawly NZ cities good luck with that
i ride a cycle sometimes to the local tracks , but i pay rego on 2 cars and a 919 and acc over 100% more on income , how many times you gotta pay , you don't pay acc to be a diver , paraglider , skydiver , for rugby , soccer etc. Lets focus on how unfair a blameless system is targeting just one category of transport so hard.
8:58 😂Big horsepower bikes register as " farm bikes" used for farm work.i knew a guy once who worked at Ministry of transport dealing with truck hubometers.he said with money gathered by govt only in registrations from all viehcles in nz for that financial year was all put back into the roads our state highways wld be like the german autobahns. This was 25 years ago. Give this govt nothing theyll just give it away to the Ukraine etc etc etc
I agree. Man . And if they spin that we need to pay more acc as we got more hurt then if in car well I'm only one guy. Why do I have to pay for all my vehicles. There's no more of me riding them. Makes no sense
I think people need to be aware of the costs involved in putting a person back together after even a moderate motorcycle accident. I have ridden bikes for most of the last 45 years and 6 years ago I had an accident, not my fault, but I do admit some responsibility (probably going a bit fast for the conditions). I ended up in hospital with minor fractures, bruising and a big wound on my leg where the flyscreen (I think) cut my thigh as I flew over the handlebars. Three visits to the operating theatre later my leg is okay now, but that was 10 nights in hospital @ $1300 per night, plus $900 a minute for theatre (my ex is a theatre nurse, that's what they estimate it costs, 6 years ago, more now I would think), so add another $15k to that. I also damaged my shoulder and a year later, another $10k operation to fix that, plus I was on ACC for 9 months and 3 months of transitioning back to work. In total, my relatively minor crash cost me 18 months of my life, some ongoing issues and the NZ taxpayer somewhere in the vicinity of NZ$50-60k.
@@WrenchingIrons Not many of us are lucky enough to own more than 1 bike (much as I would like to). I notice that in my comment I forgot to add in the almost 12 months of wages @ $85k, so a new total of $145,000, plus I had district nurse visits for a month to give antibiotic injections and dressing changes (my wound was infected). I am a much more cautious rider these days and now ride a 650cc bike rather than the 1100cc bike I used to ride.
@onecookieboy my bikes are all old and cost me almost nothing to buy just had to fix them. There is not many bikers with that much draft on the health system as you experienced. We can get all into it with obesity and other health issues caused by life style. Are they taxed extra for weighing heavy on medical system?
Only a moron can't see that the amount of tax we pay compared with other countries who's governments share the wealth of the country with the people is obscene, NZ has some of the largest oil reserves on earth all locked up for carbon zero, carbon zero is total extinction of all life on earth - what a goal eh.
ACC makes out it has financial problems! However if you look on line you will see the Accident Compensation Commission own $NZ 49 Billion in investments!!! Money they will have collected in levies.
ACC made bad investments and lost millions in sharemarket crashes....well that's what we were told....lame excuses for embezzelement??? who knows? why would we entrust our money with people who loose money investing (gambling) in what they know nothing about.
Acc funds all claims in the year they are made so invest the future cost of current and past claims. If the alternative was law suits the injured who succesfully sued would get a lump sum so that is comparative. Acc lowers insurance and liturgation costs so that is a positive. That said ACC should narrow down its categories to reflect risk. Off road bikes and quds are not road bikes
We did a protest ride to Wellington when they were proposing doing the same thing in '93 (I think). That was when I learned how government works. They say a high number, and when they get kickback they lower it to what they were actually wanting to raise it to. It makes you think they relented but in reality they did exactly what they wanted to in the first place.
political plays, they know how to manipulate public to get what they want, look over there, and we will quietly do this over there, they do it all the time in all directions, I wonder what they passed through while public was drawing a new flag :))))
Thanks for bringing this up! Will only be riding with a wof from now on and will put the minimum rego on to get that. Would be cheaper to pay a no rego fine than the rego... bet alot more will run now too.. 😉😂
@@89_triumph till they impound your bike after getting ticketed a couple of times and 28 days impound is over a years rego. They should let owners of 3 bikes or more have a personalised plate Regd in our name and a WOF on the vin no’ and put the plate on what your riding that day/ week/rally whatever. But trouble if you lend ya plate cos it would be id’d to you. Makes sense to me , but govt would lose heaps. Robbers dogs.
there is so many ways to do this, you rego you big bike and on all other bikes you have small rego as a car for example, or just move the registeration per your driver's licence not per vehicle, that is the simplest way and easiest wayfor cops to check on the road, I would defo push for that.
I ride daily and have two bikes. I also have a couple of cars but only used for shopping etc. a fee per licence a year is a fairer way. Toll roads also charge motorcycles the same as cars which also doesn’t seem fair. Have been riding 37 years and will ride until I end.
WTF? I'm not even over the current rego price yet, still makes me mad. And now these creeps want to raise the rego price again? It's because none of them ride a bike and they hate those of us who do! They should make it make sense, like if you don't crash and don't go to hospital for a full year...you get 3/4 of that rego money back! Seriously had it with the dipsh*ts that make up these stupid rules.🤬🤬
Hoping these proposals fail, the idiocy of this government is phenomenal. So many social clubs around NZ use planned rides as fundraisers to help out organizations or people in their communities, outlawing convoy riding's going to screw that. Best of luck.
Hopefully the Convoy rule only applies to Gangs not Social Clubs on fundraisers or monthly ride etc or bunch of 5-8 mates riding.If so Labour probably over turn that or only apply to Gangs. ACC covers your Health Care in NZ🇳🇿 if you have bike Rego or not. Governments of the World should be encouraging more people onto bikes cause they cause bugger all pollution to make bugger all pollution to use,more parking is available in Cities.Use less petrol ⛽️ so bike Rego should actually be next to nothing for that reason. Planet be better off if Governments gave incentives to encourage more people onto bikes like deductible tax or discount for buying a bike like they did with electric cars.Should of stated doing that 25yrs ago be less cars now more parking less pollution & bikes can use bus & taxi lanes so less traffic congestion.I had a bike accident a few yrs ago & 81% of Bike crashes are caused by other motorists not 75%.Another 7% are caused by road conditions like gravel,potholes caused by bad roading services,black ice etc. When I was young Roading was Run by Government Department called Ministry of Works in their Orange trucks.We would joke about them leaning on there shovels but the roads were in better condition back then now it's all privatized road Crews.Trucks weights & lengths were increased from 44ton to 50ton & our roads & bridges can't take the extra weight & is why our roads are worse now than 25yrs ago.Mostly National Party Policies😂.
I also wish them luck, wish them BAD luck. I am growing impatient with constant digging in my wallet by govt. for answers to administrative overspending and trading of work for technology. As it is I'm sorely tempted to ride without registration. Though it's inconceivable the pressure is growing with futures described here.
that rego cost is crazy .... i pay $40 here in the US but my healthcare is costly but does cover an accident and my bike insurance has secondary insurance which covers some cost also
it was Labour who started this shit, N.Z. must be the most expensive country in the world to ride a motorbike, it's already an outrageous cost to register a bike.
agreed bro, at the end whether you are red blue yellow green orange, it doesn't matter they are all same, private schooled rich folk telling us poor folks how to live our lifes and what is good for us,
Bollocks National started it with the ACC increase in 2009 Labour (notably Phil Goff) promised to repeal the increases , When they regained power , Willy Jackson said "Never heard of that"
You bring to mind a great point saying we should be registered as private road user instead of the number of times we have vehicles to use. I prefer your way of expressing that. So one plate we attach to the one vehicle we use or at least a respective price for the capacity of vehicle. And a lower price of road user for cars and utes.
thanks man, much appreciated!! I think that whole system is a bit lopsided and nonsensicle, but I bet if you talk to govt, they could easily explain their logic, no? :)))
Great video and commentary thank you. I totally agree with you and am happy to pay for me, for my right to ride - not for each of my bikes, they will never need ACC medical treatment. All the best.
indeed, thanks for watching and comenting! Much appreciated the support, we will need some good energy, there's a very small chance of succeeding but there is still a chance we have to take it aye
it a bit of misinformation there mate. I don't think many have actually read the Act or proposed changes. Im probably going to join this Ride in Kihikihi - for three reasons, Go for a Ride, Get a Pie and support MS (which is the final destination) This is my take on the ACC proposed changes, I am told by google I pay $522 for my bike (1750cc) to cut a really complicated process in to short form, I will pay $561.11 in 2027/28 as I have done ART (Advanced Rider Training mostly paid for by ACC thru Forever or Pro Rider). So my rego goes up $40 in 4 years. I could be wrong but here is the main document. and If I am wrong please let me know.
Hey man. I don't know exactly where to find the rego info online. There are people who are way more involved in sourcing information and in that know. Hence I said so your own research. You might be right, you might be wrong. Today there was a couple thousand peeps riding to protest this so are we all wrong? I don't know
@WrenchingIrons I was on one of the rides. At least 100 Bikes probably double that. All I know is it's going to cost me $10 year more each year for the next Four years
the convoy thing, the govt is banning back pathes so how would police know from now who is gang and who isnot, we will all look same, if the gangs listen, which is unlikely but lets preted, all gangs drop their full back patches and ride. you go for a ride with a mate, how does cops know who is gang affiliated and who is not, it puts us all in the same box and every biker will be gang and every convoy is a gang convoy, some social clubs also have full back patches, so waters are muddied hard. I can't see how it would not apply to everyone
You posted the link to the gang convoy act, it's very short, but you clearly didn't read it. It clearly says a participant in the "gang convoy" must be wearing gang insignia. So if no one is wearing a patch you're fine.
@@pest1979 yeah but they are banning back patches so how do they going to know who is gang and is not? Well if gangs listen. And btw I have read it. But I also heard from riders who already been stopped by copper trying to give them 500 fine for riding in convoy. Lady and her hubby on adventure bikes. So there you go
Yes, with multiple bikes they've screwed me for years. It's double dipping (or much more). Once we pay the ACC once, it should be exempt for that same period on any other motorcycles one owns.
Keep yah bike in wof... Reg it for 6 months, then put it on hold. An we a do the same. I've got about 80000 km on the road,an the most dangerous thing riding... Cars
agreed, I have dereged my bike bikes, keeping my old school dingers running, if we could all give them a year of rego skip they would think about all of this differently, that is for sure and yeah I feel that more proximity sensors they put in cars the less people look out of windows and because car beeps all the time, (too close to lines, etc...) they start ignoring all the beeps then start taking bikes out next to them, got to mates run down like that.
Na it’s 40 years . I have a 73 Norton and wife has a 76 Bonne both cost $59 a year to rego, no indercators disc on the front , hers 2 discs that work ok . Yet my Dyna sport has ABS and all the safety crap and it’s $500 plus ……. I don’t get it at all. Your FXR will be 2029 not 5 years.. keep it they’re great.
Call me dumb if im wrong but is the acc levey in motorcycle rego there to cover your cost if you get injured and need medical care? If so why dont we/they introduce medical insurance instead. If you haven't got it, you dont get free health care if you have an accident on your motorcycle.
The most expensive "client" for ACC is people falling over on the stairs or in the bath or shower. ACC was setup to be no fault and people were to be rehabilitated irrespective of the cost or the cause of the accident. This is to avoid a litigious society and make sure that people get the best medical care, as required. Motorcyclists are absolutely not the most expensive ACC client on an individual basis, equestrian sports are. ACC make more money for the Government every year than they spend. Their investment team should be running the Reserve Bank.
I have been living in Australia for 50 yrs and I am thinking of coming home to retire, with my VTX 1800 after watching your video I have second thoughts. Love riding my bike have been riding motorcycles since I was 12 yrs old and I wanted to come home and tour my native country, will be watching more of your videos on the outcome I think it's a revenue for the fucken Government, from Qld 🦘
thanks man for the message, yeah future of motorcycling is a bit uneasy, I shall keep you posted with what is happening. I really really hope we can do something to stop it as this feels like a direct attack on all motorcycling world. We shall see
Just curious if someone knows, if someone is riding a quad bike/dirt bike/road bike that has no rego, no driver license, no helmet will ACC still pay for them in an accident ?
Very informative video sir. I think if the reg cost was $600 and let's say you have 5 bikes, you should only pay the large total for 1 bike and maybe $50 per every other bike. That to me seems more fair. You'd end up paying $800 for all your bikes, basically just paying for the rego number plate on the bikes
Only 26 yrs old. Been riding since 2015 and havent been pulled over not even ONCE. In all honesty this whole time i couldve been riding an unregistered or even a fully lapsed bike. Have made my way up to a full motorcycle license that i really couldve gone without entirely, like i said - riding since 2015 and havent been pulled over at all. But its better to be safe than sorry i guess. Love the idea of paying registration per person not per bike. I own a Yamaha R3, Suzuki Gsxr750 and Suzuki Rmz 450. To keep them all registered cost an arm and a leg. Hope the law about riding with people doesnt take place. Bike sounds great! Ride safe my brother and let the throttle roll on 🤘🤘
I wish they didn't do it but I have an incling that doesn't matter what we do they will do what they want, protests or not, and I agree I ride in nz since about 2005 and been only stopped once by a cop car, doing 114km. couple years back in the middle of nowhere in south island, 140 bucks fine, 20 dem points, and done. not talking no questions just plain fine if or rather when these rules will go to effect, cops will be out there chekcing every bike trust me, that is going to be police mayhem. police state, if we don't pay many through regos they will need to get the somehow, so I woudln't bet on it that doesn't matter what bike you ride, scooter or big block you will be pulled and tortured. will see
They'll do what they did last time. They said it was going up from $300 to approximately $800, we all protested, and they said ok, we'll drop it to $600. WE STILL LOST.
The elephant in the room is ACC, so every accident involving two wheels, farm bike and quads, hate to say it cyclists the bain? motor cross all get chucked into our ACC levy, the registration is still cheap the ACC levy is the one, maybe it should be that if we deem it nesecery we pay the ACC portion ourselves, maybe let us decide? Wouldn't that be novel. I have an 8 seater vehicle that cost's $120 per year, so they can't argue the carbon foot print?
Yeah man with that logic of acc cars having many seats should also have high acc left as you don't injure one but many in potential accident so all that stuff is bias as. They just hate motocycles and what they represent and people who ride them so we are back in 1960s.
I've a fireplace,ridden 1000s of road kms with mates. Never had a crash,not seen one My profile picture, on a none road legal bike,riding with 20 others One person was hospitalized. No worries No reg No acc. Bill to road bikes
The ACC portion of your vehicle licence does not include coverage for off-road vehicles ie: quads, mx bikes, trail bikes etc. Accidents for non-road registered vehicles are paid for out of the general public coverage. Maybe occasionally an over worked-nurse may put down the trail rider was on a public road when they had their accident through a lack of communication, and so the funding for that specific accident comes from the road pool, but that is not the norm'. The reason ACC levies are so high is that the bosses at ACC hate dealing with motorcycles. They approached the then National Government in the 90's suggesting that motorcycles be treated differently from other vehicles on the road, singling them out to pay higher levies which went against the fundamental idea behind ACC being no-fault. It's not relevant who caused the accident, the rider/driver gets coverage regardless. The reason (excuse), given by ACC was that motorcycle riders involved in crashes tended to be worse off than car drivers and therefore should pay more as the cost of their care was higher. The reason they could get away with it was there are not enough motorcyclists in the voting pool. If they tried that with cars a government would lose an election. No conspiracy here, just arseholes with too much power fucking with our lives.
I used to ride a Harley a number of years ago, and hoping one day to get back to riding, but its BS what this Government is planning to do. If I had an accident on a motorcycle, the chances are I would die, therefore, no ACC is required, so their argument about more injuries is nonsense. If you crash in a car with 3 passengers and maybe hit another car, thats inexcess of 4 or more requiring ACC, so why should I pay ACC on my bike to cover cage accidents??? Also this convoy riding shit! Hows that going to work?? So you can only ride on your own I understand? So if its a nice sunny day, and a lot of bikers are out, how are the cops going to prove that you are riding in a convoy, eh?? What, are we supposed to have a car separating us bikers from each other so as to look like we're on our own??? There are motorcycle tours around NZ that will end up being fined for riding in groups if this is going to be the Govt's tact, so the Govt pen pusher hasn't thought this thru either. I'm also in favour of a one registration being transferrable to any bike you may have as you car only ride one bike at a time! Let's hope this protest changes the way the Govt and ACC think. Good luck to everyone, I'm on your side, "LIVE to RIDE, RIDE to LIVE"
Every single vehicle on the road be it a car, truck, trailer or bike has to have it's own registration, you can't register the owner, it has to be the vehicle. So if you have ten vehicles you have ten registrations, they're not transferable between vehicles. The issue the cost of the ridiculous levies they impose on motorcycles registrations which is disgraceful. Their registration should be less than half that of a car with ACC levies at the same rate or slightly higher than a car so the total cost is still less than a car.
I am not sure I would agree with having have to register all vehicles, maybe for some 10 dollar fee to have it registered in system or such, WOF is the important part of this, and if the ACC is issue that should be done for the rider not vehicle, Regos stuff is just making money to the govt no?
I ride my bike into Wellington to work every other day, those cycle lane are mostly empty. Weekends totally empty. Adelaide rd empty, they all use Tasman st which has no bike lane and runs parallel to Adelaide rd. Go figure?
yeah buddy, I will be the connetion man point in Featherston, by the anzac memorial thing, by public loos, I will be there around 10, half our before the 1030 meet up.
My bike is a 1700cc, about 600 or so to register a year, my bike sits on hold, if im lucky i ride once a month, it will stay on hold for the foreseeable future
I'm not a motorcycle owner but i do like motorbikes lots of my friends have motorbikes and some of them more than one, one of my friends repairs vintage Indian motorbikes for a living.
Any bike over 601cc pay the highest price for registration, registration per rider instead of per bike yes, may be better to add the cost to the petrol or road user chargers.
or as mentions before, lets pay rego price for bikes as per cars and have a health insurance ???? depending on price, at least you pay health insurance per rider, not per motorcycle,
i own 4 cars should i be aloud to drive any of them but only register 1 . My friend owns a transport company should he be aloud to pay to register 1 truck? he can only drive 1 at a time ...do you see how stupid it sounds when somebody else says it
ook why don't we pay registration per your driver's licence, they can check it easily, as you say you can only ride/drive on vehicle at the time so lets wof all of vehicles but pay only one rego for your divers licence
Back to the days of not bothering to rego your bike as several tickets are still cheaper. Been there before, used to be $1200+ to rego big bike....$400 fine for no rego and wof IF you get checked : not rocket science which one people picked.
true that, they are playing with having people riding unreg bikes aye, I don't get paying such high rego for all bikes, when I am single rider makes no sense, just money
@@WrenchingIrons Yeah that's a good point - it should be a standard rego for your first bike then a reduced rego for your other bikes that are registered under your name
Remember the old school trick of when 1 person did something wrong the whole class would be punished. That's apparently the principles NZ Politics is based on.
Nice Vid but I wouldn't worry to much about the group riding law, it is clearly not aimed a the average rider out with his mates and the cops will only use it as necessary ( I hope) Cheers Jas
Someone already posted online. Lady on adventure bike with her hubby on other bike. Stopped in Welly and they were doing to charge them 500 as convoy riding. That's just what I heard. Not sure if true
“The cops will only use it as necessary…..”. NO!!! Very bad attitude to transfer authority to the government in the belief that “they” will always act in the best interests of the “people”…….
I was in new Plymouth last weekend. Van pulled over on one side stopped and then without indicating or looking decided to do u turn. Lucky I have train horn on my bike
@@WrenchingIronsyeah but you can whip down alleyways and through parks and cycle ways and footbridges aye? My wife lost a copper on a CL70 Honda round the red zone in ch-ch a few years back, we laughed for ages. She usually rides a Bonne😂
I am doing the same, got 2 big bikes they are on hold, already, lucky I have 54 year old machine I can take places, slow and she brakes a lot but more fun? :))
@@WrenchingIrons I just feel that we should all stand together and not pay or put on hold for the next three year and they will see that it begining to hurt their own back pocket and then hopefully they might reduce the cost's, but in saying that 50% or 90% will never do that, because we all want ride our bikes at some point or the other.
The thing is motorcycle registration doesn't even cover the ACC bill incurred by motorcyclists, it's subsidised by the vehicle registration paid by cars, trucks and other vehicles in the fleet. The total cost of motorcycle injuries in 2023 was 133 million dollars, divided by the number of motorcycle owners that's over $1000 per rider. Based on that, no, I would not like to pay over $1000 to insure a single rider to subsidise people who own 12 bikes. If you want to own a ridiculous number of bikes that's your problem. What we should be doing is reducing the cost of motorcycle injuries, for starters make proper safety gear mandatory. I'm sick of seeing squids riding around with no gear. Me and a friend both had similar accidents, a low speed low side. I had full gear, he did not. He had a couple of months off work and several hospital visits which would have cost tens of thousands. I had a couple of bruises and cost the country nothing.
being dumb doesn't save anyone, wear your gear, ride to your limit, the driver's education in NZ is pretty crap compared to well at least to my country or few others I have talked to. More education would help. BUt it does not make sence paying same price for multiple bikes, when one rider is at stake no? as you said yourself you have divided the total cost of injuries by number of RIDERS not number of motorcycles, so I am happy to pay for myself but not for all my bikes. That's just bullshit
This is how they framed the justification for proposed increases in the past: most motorcycle crashes are single vehicle crashes, and the cost per motorcycle crash ACC claim is substantially higher than ACC claims for other types of vehicles. Both of these things are true. However, by stating these things in this manner they're implying that the bulk of the cost of the crashes are therefore the fault of the motorcyclist. But that's simply not true. Most single vehicle accidents involving motorcycles result in minor injuries, so the high costs would actually be due to the multi-vehicle crashes, and I believe that in those crashes the non-motorcycle vehicle is most often at fault (I'll see what I can find on statistics - it wouldn't surprise me if they don't even record such details though, for political expedience).
even if they record it the research is only as good as the people who pay for it. so loss and loss, the whole system is weird in my opinion and I am not sure why this wasn't risen earlier as so many poeple I know bikers or not own multiple vehicles.
"Upwards and onwards they say" ah they actually say onwards and upwards haha but who cares right I knew what you meant lol Love the iron sporties mate I had an 83 XLH 1000 with the mags and a twin disc front end. My first Harley.
If the government completely ban bikes the gangs will ride together in their cars. People will be in gangs if they want to, riding a big bike won't change their minds
I have 7 bikes, all over 1000 cc. I register one of them for 3 months over summer. All have current WoFs. Where I ride there are fuck all (read none) cops. I take the risk as the cost of rego now is far too high. I made a submission of these latest charges. ACC don’t even have the numbers on how many bikes are on hold.
yeah man, I don't know how we can keep it up on the legal side, they must think that bikers are milionaires, and we can feed the ACC coffers alone. I really hope we can really get the point across. will see
They wouldn't have thought of this, to stupid, it will be happening overseas somewhere and they've cut and pasted. It's highway robbery for sure. I was at the Tui brewery and you handed me a flyer, unfortunately I couldn't make the ride. That's my V85tt at 14.05 on your video.
Hey man, no worries, there was plenty bikes and also it was more of a start up of conversation type a thing, hopefully there is more to come to get this thing done
There is nowhere like NZ in regard to ACC. The tinkering with who "deserves" ACC support is bullshit and has been encouraged due to neo-liberal attitudes to money and people and the role of Government. Most other countries, if you get hurt and need lengthy rehab, you have to be able to take the case to court and extract the money from who ever caused it, either a local council for shit roads or the twat who didn't see you or thought your life was worthless, because "bikers are scum." The ACC Act was designed around the Woodhouse principles and were designed to simply rehab people and get them back to work. The big problem for ACC is that riders are older and typically better paid than the average person, so 80% of $120k pa is more expensive than rehabbing for $55k pa. Motorcycling is not a blue collar hobby or essential transport anymore, it's mostly a hobby for the well off.
Ridiculous, yes bikes have higher straight on the health system but they massively reduce road wear and traffic. Every biker filtering through stops a car. Plus lots of people ride because they can't afford a car. Ild rather run the risk of getting caught with no rego, it's not that expensive. And anyways the money goes to an awfull Healthcare system, last time I had an accident I had to wait 6 hours in the emergency room
Given the fines for no rego in NZ I WILL 100% being periodically on hold 3 months rego 1 month, its still cheaper overall... and ACC needs to be removed from REGOs 100%, and applied to separate thing....so when "COPS" pull you up you show ACC coverage, we shouldnt be paying acc on multiple vechicles if we can only drive/ride one
Out of 15 or so accidents I know of, 2 mates at fault, all the rest cars at fault. So with that car registration goes up because 90% of the riders shouldn't pay for car drivers stupidity
When you think about todays issues with road congestion and carbon footprint, motorcyles are an obvious solution. Make it cost effective to use motorcyles, not price them off the road. Pretty clear solution.
ACC play God with your life when you are injured, had surgery. They will attempt to find a way to not help you financially if at all. Don’t be fooled by there willingness to help. You may pay levies but it doesn’t automatically get you weekly compensation. We need another option that isn’t government driven or expensive. Good luck getting this National coalition to listen.
I don't really believe they will listen to be honest, you can protest quietly they will ignore you, if you do it loud the get police to dismantle you and put you to jail and nothing will ever change
They have screwed multiple of my family who were legitimate cases. One family member won a big case against them recently for that, they are crooks. I stopped paying them over a decade ago when they did this last. They are a private corporation.
We motorcyclists need to lawyer up against the government and ACC. ACC are rolling in money. The Government does not spend the road fund. Are there any motorcycling lawyers out there that can meet with the Motorcycle Action Group to coordinate action. We need to start riding at 70kph on national roads too. Slow the motorists and trucks down. Business will suffer and not like it. Yes we should pay per rider. Dont stop riding though.
I agree. The first easiest thing is to put bike on hold of rego for a month rather than a year. The groups are talking and organizing so hopefully we can pull this off
@ No, as you’ve pointed out they’ll just do what they want anyway which generally means copying Victoria Australia’s road laws. Unfortunately there’s not enough populace of riders in NZ to make government sit up and take notice so you’ll get what you get given and that’s that! 🙄 It might be a little different if there was more public outrage at the prohibitive rego costs but they don’t care either, it is an absolute rip.
I think if you have done some safe riding course or something like that then you should get to pay less and the ones that just ride around like they own the place should pay more.
you have to do them courses twice a year, which are not free are they? and they give you hundy off rego, I don't know, I don't have time myself to go twice a year do asafety course, that is a bit excessive, we all ride bikes for years, so what does course going to change?
Do tell me how cops going to know who is gang and who is not if they band patches. They already stopped lady with her husband on adventure bikes and wanted to give them 5 hundy fine each. It already started. They don't give a shit who's gang and who isn't. We all going to be the same
How much acc do skiers pay how much does mountain bikers pay how much do people with motocross bikes pay , we pay too much now , cut it out national , I voted for u last time but if u do this , then don't depend on it next election
Insuracne acc levies to the license for multi bike owner collectors or a multi owner rego (collectorsPLate)late like a dealers plate,Cars cause many bike accidents, maybe when a car owner causes an accident to a motorclist they are made to refund the acc levy to the accident victim. the old saying user pays needs applying to the unlicensed non paying riders of quads dirt bikes & pushbikes.there needs to be a definition of contributors, move towards alll users must pay their fare share.motorcyclists wallets are being unfairly targeted.
most likely, but yeah with the police presence especially here around Wellington, man they are everywhere, I would be riding nervous as, so for now, one month at the time.
from what i understand motorcycle reg covers everything that can be "ridden" push bike, horse, quad-bike and or farm bike, dirt bike (weekend warriors) aka all unregistered modes of transport we pay for as far as im aware = 80% of all acc claims not road riders, this bullshit needs to stop
I agree, and big majority of road motorcycle accidents are done by car drivers not seeing bikes and not looking for bikes either. loud pipes save lives!
Certain that farm bikes,motoX bikes,trail riders were/are entered as motorcycle accidents by ambos and emergency departments. Time they shouldered their own acc levies 😢
@@neilsmith4891 I don't think this is true. I think it's more people ride too fast and fall off. SO STOP FALLING OFF!
The biggest extra cost to motorcyclists is the fact that ACC is a no fault scheme, so rider injuries from car versus motorcycle where the car is in the wrong, are charged to the motorcycle account.
Off road injuries on unregistered bikes are the same. Horses and pushbikes I'm pretty sure are general account and don't affect premium for MC's. I would hope farm injuries are from farmer premiums. I believe around 40% of MC injuries are car in the wrong.
@RogerWoodhouse why not it's apatt of it as you motorcycle runs in there numbers with bikers laid out like the domino effect never seen moto-x riders fail a trick or flip there bikr
As a motorcycle rider now for over 62 years,
thank you sincerely for your superb video helping to make motorcyclists aware.
Of being dicked financially speaking year after year.
All I know, as it is for very many other even more important things, is that it’s simple and effective,
to just not comply.
Freedom indeed is one reason I continue to ride.
Kia ora all
😎🏍🌏💜
Hey man, thank you for lovely message, much appreciated, freedom is the most imprtant thing and for many of us motorcycles do just that. No one likes cuffs on their hands for whatever reason, whether they are real or finantial
@ Kapai Wrenching Irons….as an aside, your name (handle) is something I’ve done all my life time, wrenching iron elsewhere and nationwide. Be it on 2 wheels or guiding a heavy 34 or more, and gratefully now I’ve learnt of something else I’m endeavouring to share with any and all.
FREEDOM….is truth!
Safe happy tracks brother…and who knows, perhaps we’re destined to meet in life as it unwinds like a new different road.
Kia ora
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@@whitelineinmind would be awesome to meet up like minded folks who know what real work is and passion for metal work :) I am sure we will meet up at some point!
Just stop paying, if you register it you don't own it . If you don't register it you own it and they can't legally take it
would be great to get some legal knowledge on this to protect ourselves with it, It would be good to organize some kind of seminar or education night on the legalities of ownership etc. aye?
We did a protest ride to parliament buildings in the early 80s, there was an estimated 3000 bikes turned up. But guess what, the rego went up anyway.
I know it is most likely fruitless but hey what else is there to do and we feel marginaly better that we spoke out, :))
Motorcycle don't need wof as long tyres brakes no leaks it Allgood, don't pay registration, registration means the brittish royalty owns your car ,bike what ever, plus Motorcycle is not commercial driving it is a private property , wof is good and services only in that workplace of wof , after that it expired ,
This was on fairgo , don't need driving license can't drive a bike , 😮 it stealing money they call it revenue ,
it is a bit lop sided to the other side aye :)
@Philly-lq6zr this doesn't make any sense. Plus cop gets you with no wof or reg they can take your bike then and there. No two ways about it
Greedy Governments I say fuck them all..
Good luck in tha protest N.Z ..
Great video
Thank you so much m let's see if we can do something.
Agreed greedy &pussi meow meow cow
Tell tem to fk right off . If we all stop paying thier extortion taxes. They will have to change. This country is becoming more draconian by the bloody day . Sad reality this woke BS needs to stop
Totally agree that the ACC levy should be on your license, not per vehicle. We can only ride one bike at a time. Maybe ACC cover should only apply if you can prove that you have paid an ACC levy. I hate the fact that everyone who rides on 2 wheels is covered under the levy we pay.
We pay acc at work, how come we pay again for bikes, car's and not bicycles?
yeah man, thaaanks, agreed
Thanks for putting this out there
The ACC proposals are outrages, and I hope all motorcyclists saddle up and show we are not happy about it this Sunday.
I hope so too, more the better, I don't have high hopes on this changing anyting but hell , you don't try you don't get aye
This is a human rights issue too. We are being discriminated against.
Too many issues to list 😕
Sooo .... when a bike becomes a classic it suddenly become safe? ACC levy way down?
$59 to register a 1980 500cc.
Yep got an 850 commando, disc front drum rear brakes, no interactors, no abs or anything $58 a year, also have a 2016 Dyna big $ to rego. Bullshit, can only ride one at a time.
3 more years and I'll be able to register my MacIntosh lol
@@PaulG.xwow your lucky, friend of mine has a Hyde Harrier (T160 in a Mc Intosh frame) but a later frame and not first regd till about 2014 I think so he’s paying heaps for having a late frame and 1970’s engine🤬
@@PaulG.x Yep, my 85 GSX-R750 gets cheap rego next year, 86 GSX-R1100 the year after.
@@PaulG.x I’ve a ‘94 VFR, how long is my wait?
using registration cost against gangs is pointless... they don't register their illegally obtained firearms, why would they worry about having a wof'd and rego'd bike?
What could be considered is compulsory insurance (for all vehicle operators, not the vehicle itself) and the ACC levy being based Apon how many accidents that operator has caused, and tack that on to the insurance premium...
as for dirtbikers with non registered, non street legal dirtbikes that get hurt & covered by acc. why is that cost put on those who have nothing to do with the "off road" sport?
It's like runners having to pay for rugby players because they also run!
We are regular people who love the method we have found to reduce the congestion problem. and as we are reducing the congestion problem (while commuting to work on our bikes) we should actually be getting safe lanes to ride in, just like the pushbikers get lanes, but they would rather ride on the footpath so they don't have to obey the road rules.
I cannot agree more!!! POwer to you!
Exactly right friend
Agreed why muck about trying to charge gangs extra registration fees just go an take there bikes an anything else they own sell it to pay back the public for all the B/S they cause
join a gang give up your rights that's how it should be not this Nancy pansy approach
Got that right, spot on. Only thing I object to is when cyclists ride on the footpath, it us to stay away from cars as they are often distracted on their phones, eating etc.
Motorcycles reduce congestion on motorways. Should be rewarded.
use less petrol, etc etc, many benefits!!!
yeah bro and you park wherever you want most of time, on the side walks, even in brissy they have bike parks everywhere on sidewalks, and in nz bikes are such hustle, I got fined in Wellington for parking on a carpark on a street, parks had the numbers embeded in the floor, I paid for my park and when I came back hour later I was fined 60 bucks, because somewhere in deep world of by laws there is a clause that motorcycles can't park in a CARPARK! fucking nuts
Push bikes should be register they got their own lane $500 a year they took the money from the roaring for cycle lanes.they a lot of cyclists don’t use
And they keep taking. Seems like most of Wellington is bicycle only these days.
Who gives a shit about business and livelihoods
@@WrenchingIronscertainly not the ridiculous greenie council Wellington has. They really have totally buggered the place up😡
As population grows, it is inefficient and costly for cities to use their limited space on cars. Roads and parking are large and expensive to maintain and roads and parking only cost cities unlike other uses. Bicycles take up far less space compared to single occupant cars. Trains and buses are the most efficient means of transport. Trains are expensive and buses get caught in car traffic if they aren't segregated (like trains).
Alternative transport systems must be worked on and bicycles are just one of these systems where once set up are extremely cheap to maintain because they don't damage their paths. They're also accessible to own and healthy.
@@Emanicas try to say that to 50000 odd commuters just in Welly region aye. Who's going to cycle from upper hutt every morning. In big high density cities sure. In sprawly NZ cities good luck with that
i ride a cycle sometimes to the local tracks , but i pay rego on 2 cars and a 919 and acc over 100% more on income , how many times you gotta pay , you don't pay acc to be a diver , paraglider , skydiver , for rugby , soccer etc. Lets focus on how unfair a blameless system is targeting just one category of transport so hard.
8:58 😂Big horsepower bikes register as " farm bikes" used for farm work.i knew a guy once who worked at Ministry of transport dealing with truck hubometers.he said with money gathered by govt only in registrations from all viehcles in nz for that financial year was all put back into the roads our state highways wld be like the german autobahns. This was 25 years ago. Give this govt nothing theyll just give it away to the Ukraine etc etc etc
I agree. Man . And if they spin that we need to pay more acc as we got more hurt then if in car well I'm only one guy. Why do I have to pay for all my vehicles. There's no more of me riding them. Makes no sense
Be okay if it goes to Ukraine remember WW2. Mostly goes to buy road cones by the thousands.
Cheers for highlighting the protest ride, I'll be there sadly without my bike as I am still recovering from arm surgery.
That's all good mister.
Good luck recovering!
I think people need to be aware of the costs involved in putting a person back together after even a moderate motorcycle accident. I have ridden bikes for most of the last 45 years and 6 years ago I had an accident, not my fault, but I do admit some responsibility (probably going a bit fast for the conditions). I ended up in hospital with minor fractures, bruising and a big wound on my leg where the flyscreen (I think) cut my thigh as I flew over the handlebars. Three visits to the operating theatre later my leg is okay now, but that was 10 nights in hospital @ $1300 per night, plus $900 a minute for theatre (my ex is a theatre nurse, that's what they estimate it costs, 6 years ago, more now I would think), so add another $15k to that. I also damaged my shoulder and a year later, another $10k operation to fix that, plus I was on ACC for 9 months and 3 months of transitioning back to work. In total, my relatively minor crash cost me 18 months of my life, some ongoing issues and the NZ taxpayer somewhere in the vicinity of NZ$50-60k.
I agree with paying higher acc as for a car, but I don't agree with paying same price for multiple motorcycle ownerships,
@@WrenchingIrons Not many of us are lucky enough to own more than 1 bike (much as I would like to). I notice that in my comment I forgot to add in the almost 12 months of wages @ $85k, so a new total of $145,000, plus I had district nurse visits for a month to give antibiotic injections and dressing changes (my wound was infected). I am a much more cautious rider these days and now ride a 650cc bike rather than the 1100cc bike I used to ride.
@onecookieboy my bikes are all old and cost me almost nothing to buy just had to fix them. There is not many bikers with that much draft on the health system as you experienced. We can get all into it with obesity and other health issues caused by life style. Are they taxed extra for weighing heavy on medical system?
Only a moron can't see that the amount of tax we pay compared with other countries who's governments share the wealth of the country with the people is obscene, NZ has some of the largest oil reserves on earth all locked up for carbon zero, carbon zero is total extinction of all life on earth - what a goal eh.
ACC makes out it has financial problems! However if you look on line you will see the Accident Compensation Commission own $NZ 49 Billion in investments!!! Money they will have collected in levies.
ACC made bad investments and lost millions in sharemarket crashes....well that's what we were told....lame excuses for embezzelement??? who knows? why would we entrust our money with people who loose money investing (gambling) in what they know nothing about.
I got my ACC letter refusing any hearing aid help the same day I got their bill.
wow bro that is rough, seems like no time then present for some kind of change
Acc funds all claims in the year they are made so invest the future cost of current and past claims. If the alternative was law suits the injured who succesfully sued would get a lump sum so that is comparative. Acc lowers insurance and liturgation costs so that is a positive. That said ACC should narrow down its categories to reflect risk. Off road bikes and quds are not road bikes
ACC is not a commission it is a corporation outside of Government
I haven't registered any of my bikes for more than a month each year since the ACC levy went up in 2009.
That change got them F all from me
that's the way to do it, for us also
We did a protest ride to Wellington when they were proposing doing the same thing in '93 (I think). That was when I learned how government works. They say a high number, and when they get kickback they lower it to what they were actually wanting to raise it to. It makes you think they relented but in reality they did exactly what they wanted to in the first place.
political plays, they know how to manipulate public to get what they want, look over there, and we will quietly do this over there, they do it all the time in all directions, I wonder what they passed through while public was drawing a new flag :))))
Thanks for bringing this up!
Will only be riding with a wof from now on and will put the minimum rego on to get that. Would be cheaper to pay a no rego fine than the rego... bet alot more will run now too.. 😉😂
yeah bro, thanks for patricipating and commenting man, lets do this thing, power to the people!
@@89_triumph till they impound your bike after getting ticketed a couple of times and 28 days impound is over a years rego. They should let owners of 3 bikes or more have a personalised plate Regd in our name and a WOF on the vin no’ and put the plate on what your riding that day/ week/rally whatever. But trouble if you lend ya plate cos it would be id’d to you. Makes sense to me , but govt would lose heaps. Robbers dogs.
there is so many ways to do this, you rego you big bike and on all other bikes you have small rego as a car for example, or just move the registeration per your driver's licence not per vehicle, that is the simplest way and easiest wayfor cops to check on the road, I would defo push for that.
I ride daily and have two bikes. I also have a couple of cars but only used for shopping etc. a fee per licence a year is a fairer way. Toll roads also charge motorcycles the same as cars which also doesn’t seem fair. Have been riding 37 years and will ride until I end.
yeah man, it is so one sided shitty stuff. makes no sense
WTF? I'm not even over the current rego price yet, still makes me mad. And now these creeps want to raise the rego price again? It's because none of them ride a bike and they hate those of us who do! They should make it make sense, like if you don't crash and don't go to hospital for a full year...you get 3/4 of that rego money back! Seriously had it with the dipsh*ts that make up these stupid rules.🤬🤬
I cannot agree more bro!
I have stopped paying screw them
Hoping these proposals fail, the idiocy of this government is phenomenal. So many social clubs around NZ use planned rides as fundraisers to help out organizations or people in their communities, outlawing convoy riding's going to screw that. Best of luck.
Yeah man that's right. I haven't even thought about that one! Great point.
Hopefully the Convoy rule only applies to Gangs not Social Clubs on fundraisers or monthly ride etc or bunch of 5-8 mates riding.If so Labour probably over turn that or only apply to Gangs.
ACC covers your Health Care in NZ🇳🇿 if you have bike Rego or not.
Governments of the World should be encouraging more people onto bikes cause they cause bugger all pollution to make bugger all pollution to use,more parking is available in Cities.Use less petrol ⛽️ so bike Rego should actually be next to nothing for that reason.
Planet be better off if Governments gave incentives to encourage more people onto bikes
like deductible tax or discount for buying a bike like they did with electric cars.Should of stated doing that 25yrs ago be less cars now more parking less pollution & bikes can use bus & taxi lanes so less traffic congestion.I had a bike accident a few yrs ago & 81% of Bike crashes are caused by other motorists not 75%.Another 7% are caused by road conditions like gravel,potholes caused by bad roading services,black ice etc.
When I was young Roading was Run by Government Department called Ministry of Works in their Orange trucks.We would joke about them leaning on there shovels but the roads were in better condition back then now it's all privatized road Crews.Trucks weights & lengths were increased from 44ton to 50ton & our roads & bridges can't take the extra weight & is why our roads are worse now than 25yrs ago.Mostly National Party Policies😂.
I also wish them luck, wish them BAD luck. I am growing impatient with constant digging in my wallet by govt. for answers to administrative overspending and trading of work for technology. As it is I'm sorely tempted to ride without registration. Though it's inconceivable the pressure is growing with futures described here.
@@jackrichards1863 HI Jack, there is just way too many things wrong with the system, just doesn't make sense any of it, it needs a total overhaul!
@@ruahinesriderKetchup 😂 when did labour get re-elected?
that rego cost is crazy .... i pay $40 here in the US but my healthcare is costly but does cover an accident and my bike insurance has secondary insurance which covers some cost also
could be an idea!
it was Labour who started this shit, N.Z. must be the most expensive country in the world to ride a motorbike, it's already an outrageous cost to register a bike.
agreed bro, at the end whether you are red blue yellow green orange, it doesn't matter they are all same, private schooled rich folk telling us poor folks how to live our lifes and what is good for us,
Bollocks
National started it with the ACC increase in 2009
Labour (notably Phil Goff) promised to repeal the increases , When they regained power , Willy Jackson said "Never heard of that"
they will never change it, why would they it is money in their pockets, they would be silly to listen to the poeple when did they?
34 000 yen for 2 years here in japan
what a score :)
You bring to mind a great point saying we should be registered as private road user instead of the number of times we have vehicles to use. I prefer your way of expressing that. So one plate we attach to the one vehicle we use or at least a respective price for the capacity of vehicle. And a lower price of road user for cars and utes.
thanks man, much appreciated!! I think that whole system is a bit lopsided and nonsensicle, but I bet if you talk to govt, they could easily explain their logic, no? :)))
@@WrenchingIrons yea. Bottom line is the reason. They just want a thicker bottom line. (more dinero)
@@jackrichards1863 yup all about the cash, always
Great video and commentary thank you. I totally agree with you and am happy to pay for me, for my right to ride - not for each of my bikes, they will never need ACC medical treatment.
All the best.
indeed, thanks for watching and comenting! Much appreciated the support, we will need some good energy, there's a very small chance of succeeding but there is still a chance we have to take it aye
Thanks. Beaut video. All familiar country to me too. (And I was on the protest ride to Pukeahu National War Memorial Park last Sunday.) 😊
That's awesome. Thanks for liking my silly videos. Half the time I don't know what I'm doing but hey here we go. 😁 See you out there
it a bit of misinformation there mate.
I don't think many have actually read the Act or proposed changes. Im probably going to join this Ride in Kihikihi - for three reasons, Go for a Ride, Get a Pie and support MS (which is the final destination) This is my take on the ACC proposed changes, I am told by google I pay $522 for my bike (1750cc) to cut a really complicated process in to short form, I will pay $561.11 in 2027/28 as I have done ART (Advanced Rider Training mostly paid for by ACC thru Forever or Pro Rider). So my rego goes up $40 in 4 years. I could be wrong but here is the main document. and If I am wrong please let me know.
Hey man. I don't know exactly where to find the rego info online. There are people who are way more involved in sourcing information and in that know. Hence I said so your own research. You might be right, you might be wrong. Today there was a couple thousand peeps riding to protest this so are we all wrong? I don't know
@WrenchingIrons I was on one of the rides. At least 100 Bikes probably double that. All I know is it's going to cost me $10 year more each year for the next Four years
the convoy thing, the govt is banning back pathes so how would police know from now who is gang and who isnot, we will all look same, if the gangs listen, which is unlikely but lets preted, all gangs drop their full back patches and ride.
you go for a ride with a mate, how does cops know who is gang affiliated and who is not,
it puts us all in the same box and every biker will be gang and every convoy is a gang convoy,
some social clubs also have full back patches, so waters are muddied hard.
I can't see how it would not apply to everyone
You posted the link to the gang convoy act, it's very short, but you clearly didn't read it. It clearly says a participant in the "gang convoy" must be wearing gang insignia. So if no one is wearing a patch you're fine.
@@pest1979 yeah but they are banning back patches so how do they going to know who is gang and is not? Well if gangs listen. And btw I have read it. But I also heard from riders who already been stopped by copper trying to give them 500 fine for riding in convoy. Lady and her hubby on adventure bikes. So there you go
Yes, with multiple bikes they've screwed me for years. It's double dipping (or much more). Once we pay the ACC once, it should be exempt for that same period on any other motorcycles one owns.
Absolutely couldn't agree more!
Keep yah bike in wof...
Reg it for 6 months, then put it on hold.
An we a do the same.
I've got about 80000 km on the road,an the most dangerous thing riding...
Cars
agreed, I have dereged my bike bikes, keeping my old school dingers running, if we could all give them a year of rego skip they would think about all of this differently, that is for sure
and yeah I feel that more proximity sensors they put in cars the less people look out of windows and because car beeps all the time, (too close to lines, etc...) they start ignoring all the beeps then start taking bikes out next to them, got to mates run down like that.
Just ride without a plate and if the cops try to pull you bu 2:51 rn them off, that's the kiwi way my bro. The fight is now.
what's 251 bro?
It is a lot safer to ride together than on your own.
especially with today's car drivers.....
How old does ur bike have to be b4 u can get the cheap rego mate ,ivl got a 1989 fxr is it 40yrs
should be 30 years onwards I think
Na it’s 40 years . I have a 73 Norton and wife has a 76 Bonne both cost $59 a year to rego, no indercators disc on the front , hers 2 discs that work ok . Yet my Dyna sport has ABS and all the safety crap and it’s $500 plus ……. I don’t get it at all. Your FXR will be 2029 not 5 years.. keep it they’re great.
I thought my 92 ute will be classic, I still have 8 years to wait ahahah:)) thanks for the info!
Call me dumb if im wrong but is the acc levey in motorcycle rego there to cover your cost if you get injured and need medical care? If so why dont we/they introduce medical insurance instead. If you haven't got it, you dont get free health care if you have an accident on your motorcycle.
if you pay for rego of a bike same as car, that might be an option?
@WrenchingIrons exactly
Totally agree!
The most expensive "client" for ACC is people falling over on the stairs or in the bath or shower. ACC was setup to be no fault and people were to be rehabilitated irrespective of the cost or the cause of the accident. This is to avoid a litigious society and make sure that people get the best medical care, as required. Motorcyclists are absolutely not the most expensive ACC client on an individual basis, equestrian sports are. ACC make more money for the Government every year than they spend. Their investment team should be running the Reserve Bank.
well said. covers it basicly quite well, great argument
thank you so much!!
I have been living in Australia for 50 yrs and I am thinking of coming home to retire, with my VTX 1800 after watching your video I have second thoughts.
Love riding my bike have been riding motorcycles since I was 12 yrs old and I wanted to come home and tour my native country, will be watching more of your videos on the outcome I think it's a revenue for the fucken Government, from Qld 🦘
thanks man for the message, yeah future of motorcycling is a bit uneasy, I shall keep you posted with what is happening. I really really hope we can do something to stop it as this feels like a direct attack on all motorcycling world. We shall see
Greetings from Tauranga, from a fellow VTX 1800 rider. I've had my VTX for a few months.
Just curious if someone knows, if someone is riding a quad bike/dirt bike/road bike that has no rego, no driver license, no helmet will ACC still pay for them in an accident ?
Yes is the short answer
Very informative video sir. I think if the reg cost was $600 and let's say you have 5 bikes, you should only pay the large total for 1 bike and maybe $50 per every other bike. That to me seems more fair. You'd end up paying $800 for all your bikes, basically just paying for the rego number plate on the bikes
I totally agree, that would be manageable !
Only 26 yrs old. Been riding since 2015 and havent been pulled over not even ONCE. In all honesty this whole time i couldve been riding an unregistered or even a fully lapsed bike. Have made my way up to a full motorcycle license that i really couldve gone without entirely, like i said - riding since 2015 and havent been pulled over at all. But its better to be safe than sorry i guess. Love the idea of paying registration per person not per bike. I own a Yamaha R3, Suzuki Gsxr750 and Suzuki Rmz 450. To keep them all registered cost an arm and a leg. Hope the law about riding with people doesnt take place. Bike sounds great! Ride safe my brother and let the throttle roll on 🤘🤘
I wish they didn't do it but I have an incling that doesn't matter what we do they will do what they want, protests or not, and I agree I ride in nz since about 2005 and been only stopped once by a cop car, doing 114km. couple years back in the middle of nowhere in south island, 140 bucks fine, 20 dem points, and done. not talking no questions just plain fine
if or rather when these rules will go to effect, cops will be out there chekcing every bike trust me, that is going to be police mayhem. police state, if we don't pay many through regos they will need to get the somehow, so I woudln't bet on it that doesn't matter what bike you ride, scooter or big block you will be pulled and tortured. will see
I know a guy who’s been riding his R1 on a dead plate since 05! 😂
@uhtred7860 Been thinking about that for years now but I bet the second I do it I'll get done over the same day 😂 Murphys law
They'll do what they did last time. They said it was going up from $300 to approximately $800, we all protested, and they said ok, we'll drop it to $600. WE STILL LOST.
yeah man that's what they said, it is not their (govt) first rodeo, they know how to play the crowd to get what they want
Fighting the gangs ,meanwhile we get punished for bad peope again
yeah, definitlly feels like that
The elephant in the room is ACC, so every accident involving two wheels, farm bike and quads, hate to say it cyclists the bain? motor cross all get chucked into our ACC levy, the registration is still cheap the ACC levy is the one, maybe it should be that if we deem it nesecery we pay the ACC portion ourselves, maybe let us decide? Wouldn't that be novel. I have an 8 seater vehicle that cost's $120 per year, so they can't argue the carbon foot print?
Yeah man with that logic of acc cars having many seats should also have high acc left as you don't injure one but many in potential accident so all that stuff is bias as.
They just hate motocycles and what they represent and people who ride them so we are back in 1960s.
I've a fireplace,ridden 1000s of road kms with mates.
Never had a crash,not seen one
My profile picture, on a none road legal bike,riding with 20 others
One person was hospitalized.
No worries
No reg
No acc.
Bill to road bikes
The ACC portion of your vehicle licence does not include coverage for off-road vehicles ie: quads, mx bikes, trail bikes etc. Accidents for non-road registered vehicles are paid for out of the general public coverage. Maybe occasionally an over worked-nurse may put down the trail rider was on a public road when they had their accident through a lack of communication, and so the funding for that specific accident comes from the road pool, but that is not the norm'. The reason ACC levies are so high is that the bosses at ACC hate dealing with motorcycles. They approached the then National Government in the 90's suggesting that motorcycles be treated differently from other vehicles on the road, singling them out to pay higher levies which went against the fundamental idea behind ACC being no-fault. It's not relevant who caused the accident, the rider/driver gets coverage regardless. The reason (excuse), given by ACC was that motorcycle riders involved in crashes tended to be worse off than car drivers and therefore should pay more as the cost of their care was higher.
The reason they could get away with it was there are not enough motorcyclists in the voting pool. If they tried that with cars a government would lose an election.
No conspiracy here, just arseholes with too much power fucking with our lives.
I used to ride a Harley a number of years ago, and hoping one day to get back to riding, but its BS what this Government is planning to do. If I had an accident on a motorcycle, the chances are I would die, therefore, no ACC is required, so their argument about more injuries is nonsense. If you crash in a car with 3 passengers and maybe hit another car, thats inexcess of 4 or more requiring ACC, so why should I pay ACC on my bike to cover cage accidents??? Also this convoy riding shit! Hows that going to work?? So you can only ride on your own I understand? So if its a nice sunny day, and a lot of bikers are out, how are the cops going to prove that you are riding in a convoy, eh?? What, are we supposed to have a car separating us bikers from each other so as to look like we're on our own??? There are motorcycle tours around NZ that will end up being fined for riding in groups if this is going to be the Govt's tact, so the Govt pen pusher hasn't thought this thru either. I'm also in favour of a one registration being transferrable to any bike you may have as you car only ride one bike at a time! Let's hope this protest changes the way the Govt and ACC think. Good luck to everyone, I'm on your side, "LIVE to RIDE, RIDE to LIVE"
man that is very well summed up that's exacly my thoughts !!!! cheers bro
Every single vehicle on the road be it a car, truck, trailer or bike has to have it's own registration, you can't register the owner, it has to be the vehicle. So if you have ten vehicles you have ten registrations, they're not transferable between vehicles. The issue the cost of the ridiculous levies they impose on motorcycles registrations which is disgraceful. Their registration should be less than half that of a car with ACC levies at the same rate or slightly higher than a car so the total cost is still less than a car.
I am not sure I would agree with having have to register all vehicles, maybe for some 10 dollar fee to have it registered in system or such, WOF is the important part of this, and if the ACC is issue that should be done for the rider not vehicle, Regos stuff is just making money to the govt no?
I can't believe this, its already way too costly, we are used as a scapegoat to pay for all the ACC accidents that aren't caused by motorcyclists.
I couldn't agree more
Thank you 🙂
You are welcome :) and thank you!
I keep my regos on hold while they're in storage. I keep my wof current and reinstate rego when ride them.
I do that also for most
Hey bro see you on da road sometime soon ,I'm on a indian scout I'm da manawatu I'll keep an eye out
Yeah buddy pretty me know!
I ride my bike into Wellington to work every other day, those cycle lane are mostly empty. Weekends totally empty.
Adelaide rd empty, they all use Tasman st which has no bike lane and runs parallel to Adelaide rd. Go figure?
yeah man, seems priorities are lost
Hey there, you in Newtown/Berhampore?.
Live in the Hutt
Work Mt Cook
Bro I will see ya Sunday! Might even come to Featherston and then back over the hill to make the most of it 😂😂
yeah buddy, I will be the connetion man point in Featherston, by the anzac memorial thing, by public loos, I will be there around 10, half our before the 1030 meet up.
My bike is a 1700cc, about 600 or so to register a year, my bike sits on hold, if im lucky i ride once a month, it will stay on hold for the foreseeable future
we are all doing that my bro, rego as little as possiblem but there are folks who pay up full year on many owned bikes
Single rider payment is great. Maybe a week of motorcycle riders in cars with caravans, boats at rush hour should do it.
yeah man, thaaanks for watching
I don't do burn outs as like most kiwis money is a problem. Thought about joining a gang as the government gives them money.
They don't seem to have problem with cash flow 😁
I'm not a motorcycle owner but i do like motorbikes lots of my friends have motorbikes and some of them more than one, one of my friends repairs vintage Indian motorbikes for a living.
thanks for support Bruce
Any bike over 601cc pay the highest price for registration, registration per rider instead of per bike yes, may be better to add the cost to the petrol or road user chargers.
or as mentions before, lets pay rego price for bikes as per cars and have a health insurance ???? depending on price, at least you pay health insurance per rider, not per motorcycle,
i own 4 cars should i be aloud to drive any of them but only register 1 . My friend owns a transport company should he be aloud to pay to register 1 truck? he can only drive 1 at a time ...do you see how stupid it sounds when somebody else says it
ook why don't we pay registration per your driver's licence, they can check it easily, as you say you can only ride/drive on vehicle at the time so lets wof all of vehicles but pay only one rego for your divers licence
Back to the days of not bothering to rego your bike as several tickets are still cheaper. Been there before, used to be $1200+ to rego big bike....$400 fine for no rego and wof IF you get checked : not rocket science which one people picked.
true that, they are playing with having people riding unreg bikes aye, I don't get paying such high rego for all bikes, when I am single rider
makes no sense, just money
@@WrenchingIrons Yeah that's a good point - it should be a standard rego for your first bike then a reduced rego for your other bikes that are registered under your name
i would be happy with that
Good vid mate
Thanks buddy
Cool video mate
Thank you so much
Remember the old school trick of when 1 person did something wrong the whole class would be punished.
That's apparently the principles NZ Politics is based on.
In every single way! From growing trees to motorcycles to health to every single facet of society aye
We protested this increase in 2009 / 10 & ended up getting the rego cost reduced from around $900 to our current cost, protest protest protest
that is sthe only way, it seems NZ is bit of in shits right now from every angle you look at it. We shall see, it is always worth a try.
What the F - I only just got back into bikes after a 24 year break last year.
that was a long break, good on you coming back to our two wheel side, but yeah it does look glum
Why does a 5 star safety rated diesel pay $129 acc fee and 1 star petrol pays $41? It’s a scam
of course it is aye
NZ Government just taking the piss atp
don't they always do? :)
Nice Vid but I wouldn't worry to much about the group riding law, it is clearly not aimed a the average rider out with his mates and the cops will only use it as necessary ( I hope) Cheers Jas
Someone already posted online. Lady on adventure bike with her hubby on other bike. Stopped in Welly and they were doing to charge them 500 as convoy riding. That's just what I heard. Not sure if true
Im not so hopeful if they have a quota to make it is easier to pull you and your mates up than a gang ride.
“The cops will only use it as necessary…..”. NO!!! Very bad attitude to transfer authority to the government in the belief that “they” will always act in the best interests of the “people”…….
I agree Hugh, that is scary, I lived in a country run like that once and one of the reasons I have left. here we go again
They blindly follow U K and Australia doing these changes.ACC has become a self serving monster
It's a private corporation you don't need to pay it. Stop paying.
yeah, a corporation is a corporation
yeah
how many bugs smack you in the face on average per ride?
Just enough to feed me 😜🤣
most annoying thing is we might only use the bike for one day a month ,every time i go out people pull out on me in there cars in chch
I was in new Plymouth last weekend. Van pulled over on one side stopped and then without indicating or looking decided to do u turn. Lucky I have train horn on my bike
Take your plates of and don't stop 💯👌
my bike not fast enough ahahah
@@WrenchingIronsyeah but you can whip down alleyways and through parks and cycle ways and footbridges aye? My wife lost a copper on a CL70 Honda round the red zone in ch-ch a few years back, we laughed for ages. She usually rides a Bonne😂
@@stephengibbs4372 true that, ahah, might have to think about that one aye, we are getting into some ridiculous teritory with the govts
We need to stand together and say NO !!! I put the bike on hold and run it anyway. Yeah.
Together we stand, power is in the people we should not forget that! They work for us! Not the other way around
I own two HD's and if this is the case then I will stop paying and put both on hold and use other means of transport
I am doing the same, got 2 big bikes they are on hold, already, lucky I have 54 year old machine I can take places, slow and she brakes a lot but more fun? :))
@@WrenchingIrons 👍😂 I might have to go OLD school 🚴♂
@@WrenchingIrons I just feel that we should all stand together and not pay or put on hold for the next three year and they will see that it begining to hurt their own back pocket and then hopefully they might reduce the cost's, but in saying that 50% or 90% will never do that, because we all want ride our bikes at some point or the other.
agreed, we should do that.
If every biker ride put their Rego on hold for a year think about the money they would lose time for bikers to fight back!!.
absolutely, they would feel the pain of no income. that would made us heard!
The thing is motorcycle registration doesn't even cover the ACC bill incurred by motorcyclists, it's subsidised by the vehicle registration paid by cars, trucks and other vehicles in the fleet. The total cost of motorcycle injuries in 2023 was 133 million dollars, divided by the number of motorcycle owners that's over $1000 per rider. Based on that, no, I would not like to pay over $1000 to insure a single rider to subsidise people who own 12 bikes. If you want to own a ridiculous number of bikes that's your problem.
What we should be doing is reducing the cost of motorcycle injuries, for starters make proper safety gear mandatory. I'm sick of seeing squids riding around with no gear. Me and a friend both had similar accidents, a low speed low side. I had full gear, he did not. He had a couple of months off work and several hospital visits which would have cost tens of thousands. I had a couple of bruises and cost the country nothing.
being dumb doesn't save anyone, wear your gear, ride to your limit, the driver's education in NZ is pretty crap compared to well at least to my country or few others I have talked to. More education would help. BUt it does not make sence paying same price for multiple bikes, when one rider is at stake no?
as you said yourself you have divided the total cost of injuries by number of RIDERS not number of motorcycles, so I am happy to pay for myself but not for all my bikes. That's just bullshit
Hope the turn out is huuuge bro
I hope so too. Hence the video 😁
This is how they framed the justification for proposed increases in the past: most motorcycle crashes are single vehicle crashes, and the cost per motorcycle crash ACC claim is substantially higher than ACC claims for other types of vehicles. Both of these things are true. However, by stating these things in this manner they're implying that the bulk of the cost of the crashes are therefore the fault of the motorcyclist. But that's simply not true. Most single vehicle accidents involving motorcycles result in minor injuries, so the high costs would actually be due to the multi-vehicle crashes, and I believe that in those crashes the non-motorcycle vehicle is most often at fault (I'll see what I can find on statistics - it wouldn't surprise me if they don't even record such details though, for political expedience).
even if they record it the research is only as good as the people who pay for it. so loss and loss, the whole system is weird in my opinion and I am not sure why this wasn't risen earlier as so many poeple I know bikers or not own multiple vehicles.
"Upwards and onwards they say" ah they actually say onwards and upwards haha but who cares right I knew what you meant lol Love the iron sporties mate I had an 83 XLH 1000 with the mags and a twin disc front end. My first Harley.
I am in love with ironheads. Don't know why. Just happened. Haha. They are cool as bikes. And yeah my English but very perfect
If the government completely ban bikes the gangs will ride together in their cars. People will be in gangs if they want to, riding a big bike won't change their minds
Of course and lots of them ride in cars. Are the gang convoys also two or more cars together? Who knows
I have 7 bikes, all over 1000 cc. I register one of them for 3 months over summer. All have current WoFs. Where I ride there are fuck all (read none) cops. I take the risk as the cost of rego now is far too high. I made a submission of these latest charges. ACC don’t even have the numbers on how many bikes are on hold.
yeah man, I don't know how we can keep it up on the legal side, they must think that bikers are milionaires, and we can feed the ACC coffers alone. I really hope we can really get the point across. will see
Riding out of featherston!!! Nice!!!
Yeah. Good spotting
They wouldn't have thought of this, to stupid, it will be happening overseas somewhere and they've cut and pasted. It's highway robbery for sure. I was at the Tui brewery and you handed me a flyer, unfortunately I couldn't make the ride. That's my V85tt at 14.05 on your video.
Hey man, no worries, there was plenty bikes and also it was more of a start up of conversation type a thing, hopefully there is more to come to get this thing done
There is nowhere like NZ in regard to ACC. The tinkering with who "deserves" ACC support is bullshit and has been encouraged due to neo-liberal attitudes to money and people and the role of Government. Most other countries, if you get hurt and need lengthy rehab, you have to be able to take the case to court and extract the money from who ever caused it, either a local council for shit roads or the twat who didn't see you or thought your life was worthless, because "bikers are scum." The ACC Act was designed around the Woodhouse principles and were designed to simply rehab people and get them back to work. The big problem for ACC is that riders are older and typically better paid than the average person, so 80% of $120k pa is more expensive than rehabbing for $55k pa. Motorcycling is not a blue collar hobby or essential transport anymore, it's mostly a hobby for the well off.
Ridiculous, yes bikes have higher straight on the health system but they massively reduce road wear and traffic. Every biker filtering through stops a car. Plus lots of people ride because they can't afford a car.
Ild rather run the risk of getting caught with no rego, it's not that expensive.
And anyways the money goes to an awfull Healthcare system, last time I had an accident I had to wait 6 hours in the emergency room
yeah bro, you don't want to go to hospital with broken arm, might be few days before they get you sorted. Friends story.
Dont pay it just take the fine its cheaper ??
Fines you can pay the demerits are different question ae
I would not be surprised that they will also put the fines way up too
fines you can pay, but the demerit points are a bastard, they crank it up to you to 100 in no time and loose licence from that
I got vintage bikes. The regó is CHEAP. Also vintage insurance is cheap especially for multiple bikes
I do the same bro, got 3 70s bikes but sometimes youwant to ride something you don't have to worry about all the time :))
We pay taxes for when we need to use health system.
exactly!
Given the fines for no rego in NZ I WILL 100% being periodically on hold 3 months rego 1 month, its still cheaper overall... and ACC needs to be removed from REGOs 100%, and applied to separate thing....so when "COPS" pull you up you show ACC coverage, we shouldnt be paying acc on multiple vechicles if we can only drive/ride one
as long as they don't keep crancking on you demerit points that would not be so good,
Out of 15 or so accidents I know of, 2 mates at fault, all the rest cars at fault. So with that car registration goes up because 90% of the riders shouldn't pay for car drivers stupidity
smarter the cars get the damber the drivers become, way of the world aye?
When you think about todays issues with road congestion and carbon footprint, motorcyles are an obvious solution. Make it cost effective to use motorcyles, not price them off the road.
Pretty clear solution.
I couldn't agree more, it is all so non sensical, one has to question motivs, because the logic is very much on our side
ACC play God with your life when you are injured, had surgery. They will attempt to find a way to not help you financially if at all. Don’t be fooled by there willingness to help. You may pay levies but it doesn’t automatically get you weekly compensation. We need another option that isn’t government driven or expensive. Good luck getting this National coalition to listen.
I don't really believe they will listen to be honest, you can protest quietly they will ignore you, if you do it loud the get police to dismantle you and put you to jail and nothing will ever change
They have screwed multiple of my family who were legitimate cases. One family member won a big case against them recently for that, they are crooks. I stopped paying them over a decade ago when they did this last. They are a private corporation.
Nice scooter man.
Cheers
We motorcyclists need to lawyer up against the government and ACC. ACC are rolling in money. The Government does not spend the road fund. Are there any motorcycling lawyers out there that can meet with the Motorcycle Action Group to coordinate action. We need to start riding at 70kph on national roads too. Slow the motorists and trucks down. Business will suffer and not like it. Yes we should pay per rider. Dont stop riding though.
I agree. The first easiest thing is to put bike on hold of rego for a month rather than a year. The groups are talking and organizing so hopefully we can pull this off
They’re trying to tax you off the road, one person one rego I think is a fairer way to go.
I agree, I wonder if we can deliver that point through
@ No, as you’ve pointed out they’ll just do what they want anyway which generally means copying Victoria Australia’s road laws.
Unfortunately there’s not enough populace of riders in NZ to make government sit up and take notice so you’ll get what you get given and that’s that! 🙄
It might be a little different if there was more public outrage at the prohibitive rego costs but they don’t care either, it is an absolute rip.
I think if you have done some safe riding course or something like that then you should get to pay less and the ones that just ride around like they own the place should pay more.
you have to do them courses twice a year, which are not free are they? and they give you hundy off rego, I don't know, I don't have time myself to go twice a year do asafety course, that is a bit excessive, we all ride bikes for years, so what does course going to change?
Your wrong about the gang legislation. It is only targeted at gangs. It has no effect on us everyday motorcycle riders.
Do tell me how cops going to know who is gang and who is not if they band patches.
They already stopped lady with her husband on adventure bikes and wanted to give them 5 hundy fine each. It already started. They don't give a shit who's gang and who isn't. We all going to be the same
People who pay motorbike rego should have separate acc .
I am happy to pay as much as for a car rego, and have a health insurance.
How much acc do skiers pay how much does mountain bikers pay how much do people with motocross bikes pay , we pay too much now , cut it out national , I voted for u last time but if u do this , then don't depend on it next election
indeed, I didn't even know about it, next video I have guys talking about all of this stuff
no wof no reg no worries!
Haha fair enough
Insuracne acc levies to the license for multi bike owner collectors or a multi owner rego (collectorsPLate)late like a dealers plate,Cars cause many bike accidents, maybe when a car owner causes an accident to a motorclist they are made to refund the acc levy to the accident victim. the old saying user pays needs applying to the unlicensed non paying riders of quads dirt bikes & pushbikes.there needs to be a definition of contributors, move towards alll users must pay their fare share.motorcyclists wallets are being unfairly targeted.
absolutely agree, all bikers seem to be on the same page, somehow govt is constantly missing it, how is that even possible
@6:21 you passed my house 🙂
Haha awesome I'll check it out
Definitely per license!
Is there anyone riding in whangarei?
Check out the Facebook magnz. There should be info on all locations
Find a Political Party that uses LOGIC and vote for it , the only legal option . A lot of people on your side but too weak to do anything about it .
feel all parties are the same these days, lost touch with normal people.
It will be cheaper for me to de-register and take my chances
most likely, but yeah with the police presence especially here around Wellington, man they are everywhere, I would be riding nervous as, so for now, one month at the time.
Majority of riders just wont register the bike, plain and simple, lots dont register them at the current price 😂
I do the same, the bare minimum, just few summer months, and that's it.
Vote the government out
full stop, and don't vote any new one in :)