Fastest send off in Origin history...Why Sua'ali'i had to go, and how it shook Origin One! | NRL 360
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The NRL 360 crew look at the big moment of Game One, and whether it was justified, after NSW debutant Joseph Sua'ali'i was sent from the field after dangerous contact to the head of Reece Walsh!
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I've not seen a tackle that dangerous since Kenty got flung upside down into a tree.
😂😂😂
Bravo, well done🤣
Nice One 🤣😆😂
LOL BRILLIANT
I wonder if Kent will end up reading your comment! Probably will!
Blues fan here: Gordy is absolutely correct. Sua'ali'i is responsible for aiming at the upper half of the chest. These players are professionals and they know that there's always a chance that the attacker slips at the final moment. Let it be a lesson to aim lower and smash players legally like Liam Martin did
Gordy would have said different if the shoe was on the other foot
Sualii was Bent in half, he couldn't have gotten any lower
@@diceman999 Couldn't agree more.
That's the problem, he did aim for the chest. Joseph is 6 foot 5. They slowed down the footage and Reece started slipping. If you've played you know you don't have enough time ro readjust if a player starts to fall. If a taller player was at fullback its tackle of the century. Unfortunately another reason NRL will probably be non contact or close to it by 2040.
NSW fan here: Gordy is absolutely wrong. Walsh slipping into a his shoulder then passing his HIA indicates it was actually a Grade 1 carry on.
It's a send off every day of the week. I have no doubt he didn't mean to hit Walshy's head and he got it wrong but it was dangerous and as much as I hate seeing QLD win, he had to go. We were watching it at the pub and me and my mate both said straight away, he's gone and that's the game. We only stayed because the beers were cold.
FACTS 💯👍🏿
Exactly the same here man, but a different pub. Thought he was gone after seeing the live hit.
Total brain explosion by Suali...did not use his head at all...we could have witnessed dead right there....ban such players...It was an act of bully and also sign of targeting Wash and taking out of game to defeat Qld...Go maroons...play smart...dont play hard....24QLD
Glad to see you had your priorities right mate… “Staying because the beers were cold” 👍😆🍺🍺
Thanks , but braith goes on like his bette then everyone go back to Bondi posh much r sorry but braith GFYS
Braith doing his best job to contradict himself into a twist.
You know you fked up when Buzz puts you in your place 😂
Is Braith for real ? Crazy talk the show has gone downhill with Braith and Gordy
If this show doesnt have opposing opinions there is no show. Tell me the last time they all agreed on something!
Wow was Braith given talking pts that he was told to stick to? Sounded so fake playing devils advocate.
This is the show to watch if you want your brain cells fried
Braith doing his best one eyed impersonation. Lost a lot of respect for how little he cares about concussions. We all want to see Walsh play and that got robbed from us from a clear tactic gone wrong
Awww poor Braith. What's he gonna do now that JayKay doesn't respect him???
am not really that fussed on seeing walsh play. Speak for yourself
weird behaviour man@@NoEvidenceForGod
It was a flying shoulder charge..no attempt to wrap the arms..wether Walsh slipped or not..
Couldn’t agree more. No one has mentioned his right arm is pinned to side bracing himself for the textbook shoulder charge
His arm was never tucked
3:14 left arm wrapped around Walsh and his foot is still on the ground. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@MarkyMark7788 foot on the ground🤪🤪🤪yeh the foot he jumped off. He landed 2 meters behind walsh. His arm finally came up to brace his own landing. Misinformation 😂😂😂
He had his arms extended
Surprised no one has brought up the fact there was no arms in the tackle, it was all shoulder to the head.
Also that they targeted him with a late hit first kick of the game
2:19 what's that then? Do Queensland fans ever stop lying?
@@Jp-do9ny do nsw ever stop losing???? L
No blood
Not even split lip
Pussy give him a OSCAR
Opposite arm is wrapping. Just didn’t anticipate how low Reece would lower his height. Send off is justified with that kind of forceful contact to the head.
gordy makes a rly good point about the martin tackle on hopgood. similar intent, similar height of the attacking player, and yet nobody complains about the contact bc it was proper wrapping and a driving tackle.
You can see he’s lined Walsh up for the sweet hit, all went wrong pretty quick.
Bit unfortunate but you can hardly argue the outcome.
Spot on... they did it first kick of the game
And that’s what u want to see in a origin game 13 players going to war and trying to win the game,
It was a accident for sure
Was just trying to stop a threat form qld, unfortunately it didn’t go to plan but ppl need to stop trying to make it out like he tried to kill him,
@@QLDER85 The short of it: Sualii is inexperienced, meant to hurt, meant to shoulder charge, but didn't mean to kill, miscalculated and hit Reece high. Charged out of line = Reckless. Got him in head, knocked Reece out. Send off. If Reece got up straight away, sin bin, or if Sualii wrapped the arms, sin bin.......but a combination of factors made that a send off.
He didn't try to kill him, he just tried to hurt him enough so that he wouldn't be a threat. A good old rib tickler. But it went wrong. I'm a QLD fan and I can see that. BUT.....and here's the big but (and it cannot lie) Sualii lined him up, he charged and absolutely polaxed Reece in the head.......It went wrong, but it was reckless......not to mention, he didn't make any attempt to wrap the arms.....it was meant to be a shoulder charge to the ribs........but because of how Reece plays (he dips when he passes and slipped) Sualii being a young and inexperienced player probably didn't take that into account, he hit him in the head, Reece was knocked out as a result. Send off all day long.
Braith is talking shite, Queensland lost Walsh for the rest of the game and possibly origin 2, and he thinks NSW should just lose a player for 20 minutes, crap.
Agree. A send off every day of the week.
Series is over why watch the next 2 games lol ended 7 minutes in Zzzzzzz UP THE MAROONS
The only thing Braith wants to protect is his wallet.. yeah he doesn't want a player dying, but he also likes buying things from the players that give him money..
That’s a valid point he had nobody wants to see 12v13 in a state of orgin for the whole game
Anasta is right, the game was ruined, was the send off right? yes it was, I think the NRL needs to look at something like Union, where a send off is permanent for the player being sent, and then are able to bring on one of the interchange players after 20mins to replace the sent off player, however, they are NOT allowed to activate the 18th man, and lose a player out of the interchange rotation, that way they are still being penalised as then fatigue will be more of a factor......
Braith wrong.
Fancy saying "protecting the brand"
What about taking every precaution in protecting players health"
It was a 100% send off
Nsw think they don't have to take accountability. Also I can't imagine the crowd at suncorp leaving because qld lost a player.
Braith is worried about the game, the first in the media to see this side of things. I've seen mass changes in 50 years, I believe NRL will be little or no contact by 2040. Sad but definitely heading in that direction.
I think NRL are lot more concerned about the inevitable and impending lawsuits than pissing of a few fans… You only have to look at the NFL and rugby Union and the huge lawsuits around CTE.
@@Gaype.92 Exactly, how to counteract that?! Non contact, the woke world will love it and everyone else will be left wondering what the hell happened.
the host is pissing me off, if reece got paralysed or something, carreer ended no one would be saying is it a sin bin or a send off? without the players there is no brand, not 'we need to save the brand.'
seeing reece have his head bounce was terrific viewing , well worth the send off. loved it, the guy is a grub and I only hope they do the same in game 2 and 3
So you’re saying it should be ruled on potential injuries? There’s been afew players that have died over the last 6 years in a pre season nrl training so there for should nrl ban all pre season training? The game focuses so much on the defenders maybe they should start making coaches teach players how to pass and attack up right because that would play a huge part in stopping concussion also. He’s 100% right when he says the brand needs to start being protected the amount of rule changes in the last 5 years alone has been crazy.
@@michaelthegreat44Name one grubby thing Reece Walsh has done.
@@leeroy37 he literally was sent off game 2 last year for head butting, short memory
@@Wicky781 Bro the last person to die was because of heat exhaustion of course we can't give a ban to the sun, the others was in 1906 like that was a different game. In todays game, if there are no players, there is no NRL fk the brand players safety should come first especially the face of the league. No matter who it was or either side it's a send off in todays game.
I was really enjoying the dynamic of this talk show, and then Braith went crazy 🤣
I dont get the point from Braith: "Protect the Bread > Protect the player"
- It would be regular for opposing teams to target best player on the opposition if this would be the case. (Imagine if Cleary got tackled mid air and dropped to his head)
- Career ending injuries awaits players who play in Origin.
- Best Players from NRL wont be allowed by their clubs to play origin due to the possibility of this head knocks and season-ending/ career-ending disabilities.
- Rugby which is the bread will die if this will be the case.
- Greatest sport should be played clean and penalties like sent off was there to make sure that the game remains the greatest sport.
I think it is a bit of both mate. If you don't protect the brand you will no longer have a game to play. If you don't protect the players you will no longer have a brand. Sualli got a grade 2 which usually is a sin bin offence grade 3 are usually send off's. The match review committee has obviously taken into consideration that reece slipped, and his intended target was his chest. If he didn't slip that tackle would have been replayed all day today, like the liam Martin 1. Big hits are our highlights reel. Go watch the Vegas promo. Besides that, I agree they need a 10-20 min bin but replaced by someone else to at least make it 13v13. Yes, reece was out of the game, but they got the 18th man. They are getting stricter, and that's fine, but they need to find a way that the game also doesn't suffer.
Coorrect
@@shanewood3974yea. I'm not 100% on the send off. But, in this day and age with the knowledge of concussion and CTE.. well.. personally. It was a hit, not an attempted tackle. I.e, a shoulder charge. My 2 cents
Yes it's dumb argument from Braith.
Braith often loses his marbles on this show. I don't know why, he's a smart bloke. Maybe he's just playing devlis advocate. If we allow this with minimal penalty, I can guarantee blokes will go to Cleary and take his head off. Ten in the bin is nothing compared to losing Cleary and we all know nsw will struggle after that. It'll ruin the game more than a sinbin might.
DANGEROUS TACKLE, SEND OFF OFFENCE. HARD LUCK NSW, FROM A SUPPORTER
There was a game plan to rock Walsh. A rookie, charged up by the emotion of the big stage. The moment presented Suaalii with an opportunity to fulfil that assignment and lay him out. A few centimetres lower he would have had a potential game-turning moment in NSW's favour + he would have a highlight reel for the ages again in favour of Suaalii, and potentially put fear in Walsh. However, he got it wrong and shouldered Walsh's head in a flying motion, Full stop. It is a game of inches. A heavy price to pay to achieve one assignment.
That was the third attempt in the game to “soften him up”.
Agreed. Never before have I seen a player targeted with borderline dirty tactics as much as Walsh has. Obviously a good game plan involves shutting down your opposition key players but because Walsh is too quick and elusive for most of the league, they then resort to late hits to nullify that, also not unheard of, but when that could lead to possible career ending injuries and long term damage, thats a step too far. Thats a send off every day.
Exactly
Flew through the air
Both feet off the ground
led with his shoulder
Hit Walsh head high
Send off
And the assignment was to take him out so we could win😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that certainly worked, hey Madge...
The move qld pull did not show respect to intensity of origin defence. Most people can't see how that move put Reece walsh in danger. However the majority is not always correct.
If Sua’ali’li was allowed to stay on the field after that or just went to the bjn, then you’d probably never see another send off again
The point made is that people pay a lot to watch origin, it’s not just a normal Sunday game. Send him off in a way that doesn’t affect the whole series, punish him but don’t punish the fans and the whole team.
@@cjuice2943punish the player who make the game. F the fans
Explain the difference between this and Latrells hit on Joey Manu that he only got 10 for.
@@grippytires5405 latrell stayed upright and never lowered his body position to make a low tackle.. that was the biggest factor in the careless charge he got. Manu lowered his head slightly yes but Recce lowered his height by a quarts of what he is.
@@Wicky781 Never lowered his body position? So he intentionally went for the head and still didn’t get sent off? Hahaha you just made yourself sound so stupid and proved my point
Never ever comment on things like this… but Braith seriously 😳
It's pretty sad when buzz is making more sense then him.
If you do what Anasta is suggesting when the blues got the red. That's crazy. Teams would end up having a Goon, purely to just go take out the best player, and get sent but knowing someone is coming in to replace them. That's what it'll end up as 100%.
He said he was with the punters, sounds like he lost some money on the game with how he's going on.
I doubt he’s out there with ‘punters’
It doesn't matter whether there was intent or not. Players don't get away with knock ons because the player didn't have the intent to drop the ball.
Bad take lol
Terrible take
@@Wicky781what is concerning is that there are 12 people who think like him.
I'm absolutely blown away how this send-off is up for debate. NRL is the pinnacle of the sport and to be having discussions around whether the 'decision' ruined the game is embarrassing. It was brutal full contact to the head, deliberate or not. Protect the game by protecting your players
"yes he was slipping"
HE WASNT EVEN HOLDING THE BALL
Anasta is off his head here. 1908? C'mon mate lets look after the players.
U do realise they are debating, they debate over everything, this is for people like u to comment on kr
How are you gonna prevent it from happening accidentally? Walsh might as well have been on his knees he was that low and Sua’ali’i was bent over at 90 degrees. If Walsh had been upright, it’d be on promos for game 3 instead.
He literally slipped. You’re gonna get hurt regardless in this game
@@craiglyle2966"How are you going to prevent it from happening accidentally"?For a start how bout maybe use your arms and not launch off your feet using only your shoulder! Suaali’i had NO intention of tackling Walsh and to say he slipped into the tackle?Your off your head he slipped but dropped bugger all so realistically slip or no slip Walsh was going to get shouldered in the head regardless!
It was dangerous because he made no attempt to use his right arm. It was all about the shoulder. He left the ground too. It was designed to put second thoughts into Walsh’s head, and fair play, except it was a intentional shoulder charge. Send off.
Braith definitely lost some money. He has no care in the world for the players.
He often does that. He’s a bit disingenuous. If you strip away all the lip service then his real message is that the ‘product’ is more important than the players. If that sort of stuff continues, given what we know about CTE, parents will have their kids playing something else.
Braith is the manager of Cameron Munster, Lachlan Ilias and Jonah Pezet so imagine if that happened to them. Especially Munny since Pez and Ilias are basically out for the season.
Wasn’t he one of the biggest sooks when he played?
Yes agree. I'm surprised by his argument
I agreed with Tallis this time lol
He did say he went with the punters 😅
It was a stupid game plan by NSW. It didn't pay off!! It is was the coaching team to think it'll work. I wish the best for both the amazing players.
Matt McGuire worst coach debut
2 idiots in one comment thread 😂😂😂 impressive
@@seanbuchanan5402 I know can’t believe Matt and sualli , 2 idiots in one game
Braith needs to look at his argument, he's arguing because it was done in the 7th minute and affected the game, not the tackle or result, but when it was done and or if no doubt if the scores were close would be another argument. They aren't factors that should affect a right or wrong decision.
But they are.
I agree with braith about bringing in a rule like after 20 minutes you can return to 13 player son the field which would then mean a 3 man bench. Buzz wants to go on about the viewers ect well I’m a Queensland supporter and after he went of the excitement went from 100 to about 30 because Iknew that was the game and we won.
@@Wicky781 if you do that, then id hate to be a play maker in the modern game, i guarantee teams would be HAPPY to lose a player for 20mins to take out the oppositions best players in the biggest games. imagine you get parra vs rabbitohs, rabbits send someone to take out moses... the games over and all they need to do is compete for 20mins...
@@chiddiru6114 yeah your not wrong I guess it sounds like a good idea to you peel it back more and more. You see what happens with teams that lose there half back to injuries they lose most games till there back.
Braith is spot on,5 -10 years from now,there will be no tackle footy,it will be touch football,all those who play rugby league know the risks when playing the game,common sense needs to prevail here,Walsh slipped and Sua'ali'i was just trying to tackle him,yes it looks ugly,but there was no malice,every player targeted each other out there,that's the game,accidents happen,it's part of rugby league,if you don't want this happening,you'll have to ban tackling all together,collisions will always happen in rugby league and contact sport.
He left the ground. His right arm never even attempted to wrap. It was all shoulder. Mum and dad aren’t going to let Johnny play if that stuff continues now with CTE common knowledge
I agree with the send-off. But if we are talking precedent, Latrell's hit on Manu was worse and he only got the sin bin.
Braith, it doesn't matter if fans paid good money to see this game, that doesn't mean players can then tackle recklessly with no consequence.
Braithe is usually the sense of reason on this show. Not tonight Braithe, dont agree with you at all. Cant believe he kept bringing up 1908 as if our game hasnt evolved in 120 or so years
That’s because he’s not the voice of reason. He has many awful hot takes. Pretending to be a voice of reason is part of his schtick.
And he didn't bloody slip! He typically turned and layed back into his pass. FFS.
it was a clear tactic from the start by NSW to do damage to walsh. the fact he left the ground and launched himself at walsh meant his intent was to hit high with shoulder, whether he was aiming intentionally for the head or not he still would have hit him in the neck or lower jaw if walsh had not slipped. the way walsh's neck snapped back made me feel sick.
Lol, if Reece wasnt slipping it would have been an amazing hit. Some mitigating factors and everyone is jumping on Sua Alii -- poor guy.
@@mjames131 Poor assassin
If you think the Walsh hit is only a bin then how about the next origin Cleary plays we send collins at his legs when hes kicking, or do a hip drop on him, or just flog him so high and hard he goes catatonic. Collins to the bin for 10, Cleary out for the game or season, play on.
This will be the regular if tackles like that are only a bin. Players will be a lot more reckless, especially against the great players if they only risk 10 minutes. So all we end up with is our great players in hospitals and in wheelchairs.
SUAALII knows the rules. SUAALII broke the rules. Ashley enforced the rules. End of story. So blame SUAALII you muppets x
What's worse is let's say they come up with a way to seriously injure one of those guys without even getting one of your guys sent off. That will happen if you let instances like this slide.
Definitely been done before and long talked about. Phil Gould knows the tactic well. How he coached Bulldogs to win 1988 grand final against Tigers. Terry Lamb deliberately and illegally takes out Ellery Hanley off the ball in back play. Nothing done to Lamb, Ellery taken off and can't finish the match. Of course Gus will say ot was "accidental". But everyone knows it was planned. Grand final over...😮
@@multioptionedand they say it’s never intentional… remember when mal rearranged Michael Connor’s nose after a tackle? Not intentional? Or when Bella gave Ricky Stuart a cruit handshake and got a penalty? Accidental grabbing of the tool?
In American college football it's called targeting and they are sent off.... This argument that walsh was dropping is bs Joseph wasn't even looking at walsh when the tackle happens so he can't even adjust his tackle height so the responsibility lies completely with suaali... Off all day long
Cmon, the guys had both his feet in the air as he hit RW. Full intent to take him out.
Suallii was clearly trying to make a statement but it went wrong and the game was over before it even got started.
The only statement he made was "hey everybody, let me remind you why shoulder charges were banned 12 years ago".
@@daleviker5884wasn’t a shoulder charge though?
@@antonpatea7390 lead with the shoulder, first contact is shoulder, no arms wrapped...
@@chiddiru6114 when you tackle shoulder should be the first point of contact then arms you can clearly see he was going to wrap his arm! A shoulder charge by definition in the rules is a tucked shoulder! Also match review also categorised it grade 2 as they can see what everyone else can see and that’s Walsh slipping so was an accident don’t be a sheep mate and state facts here
@@antonpatea7390 "dont be a sheep" mate the dude 1000% deserved to be sent off... nsw supporters are absolutely fukn delirious
Sualii’s tackle may have been accidental and that would be what affects the punishment post game. Braith needs to pull his finger out
Braith is a fool,period.
Totally agree
A reckless tackle by a debutant..lets punish the whole team and the fans..great idea 💡...
7mins in and the game already over..imagine this happening in a decider..
Yes, the team should have been punished.
@@michaelolofsson8558 Understandable "if the team celebrated Walsh injury"..did they?..
If (collective punishment) is your solution then I feel sorry when you experience some form of it..
How does celebration factor into it? The play had moved on, there was no time to celebrate.
I have been collectively punished, dont you worry. However, in a team sport, the team is both an individual entity and a collection of people. The team has a common goal and strategy to achieve said goal - you must punish the team as well as the individual.
@@michaelolofsson8558
"No time to celebrate"? Wow you know someone/teams intentions?
Yes..they where gunning for him but also yes its a contact sport..accidents happen..feel bad for the dude but when you sign up for a heavily contact sport, expect heavy contact..
Collective punishment doesn't make people feel bad for what they did it just makes a "them vs us" mob mentality, where people form groups..Punishment should be dealt to the individual, otherwise it ruins the game for all..Thanks for the back and forth 😅
Protect the player first then the game you mong, Braith
The day will come where a player won’t get up and be a vegetable for the rest of their life, if they don’t take a hard stance now like they have done.
Doesn't work like that pal
@@GG-mf3rzwell that player is Mario fenech. He’s in a nursing home now with the brain of an 80 yo. Paul green killed himself, Steve Mortimer in a bad way, and the king needed a note book to remember what he did yesterday. It’s a problem now.
@@keatomaleato2979how does it work?
NRL will be a non contact sport by 2040.
I agree that tackle should be a send-off, but we can't overlook the fact that people (myself included) stopped watching the game after that decision. This will flow onto viewer numbers being down in the next two games, which will affect sponsors and make them decrease the value of their sponsorship in the following seasons. This then flows down to dollars for the game. That decision, even if it was the correct one, will have a far greater impact on the sport than we think
I wonder what Braith’s opinion on the tackle would have been if someone had done it to Cleary during a game 🤔
Or one of the players he manages
Mate as a follower of the game for over 45 years this is the first time I turned off a origin game after 10 minutes.
My mum turned it off too. She was sickened by the violence. I thought it was absorbing. Put a decent halves pairing in the NSw team they might have pulled up one of the great wins.
Why did you turn it off?
The game was ruined sure. But whos fault is that? Saualiis.
@@michaelolofsson8558
Why ask the question when you clearly know what the answer is.
Walshy makes NSW players look like plumbers 😅
And NSW players made Walshy look like Weekend at Bernie's....... in pink tights.
And Tedesco has the best plumbers crack since Hindmarsh......and he aint' even a plumber 😆😆😆
Oh Walshy..... fark me get a room.
Absolutely 100% with Phil on this one.
"Has it been a send off since 1908?"
No, and what a stupid argument, we didn't know about CTE back then.
How is allowing reckless challenges that impact the careers and lives of great players "protecting the game"?
I feel sorry for Suaali, but when you look at his arms going into the tackle, they’re both down by his sides. In Rugby Union, that’s an illegal tackle no matter what happens to the other player, but if that incident happened in a Union game, it would be a send off because not only was contact made with the shoulder to the head, but there was no tackling motion from the arms.
I don’t watch much Union these days because of the time wasting at breakdowns, but once upon a time a red card was a send off. If that’s changed, I think it’s a fair bet that there are now three stages; yellow card-10 minutes, redd card-20 minutes, and send off-the team loses a man for the remainder of the game.
I don’t see why Origin rules should be less strict than regular games where head injuries are concerned. I feel for the Blues, but let’s remember when Teddy has been creamed in regular games and when Paps was laid out a couple of years ago. This may have been unavoidable, but the tackler left his feet and kept his arms pinned to his sides and led with his shoulder, so it’s very hard to make a case for no intent under those circumstances.
Really unfortunate incident all round, because as a Queensland supporter, I would have rather watched the game with 13 on 13. The Blues would have been a handful, as we saw from their effort in the opening 20 minutes of the second half.
I don’t think there’s any danger of fans switching off because of this kind of ruling.
Anyone who thinks it should only be ten is just not thinking straight.
In boxing, if a man is knocked unconscious, it’s often the end of the bout. I don’t see why knocking someone out through carelessness shouldn’t mean that team loses a man for the rest of the game.
Some sense! Well expressed. I thought it was an absorbing contest. An against all odds, in the face of adversity win was not off the cards, and it would have been the stuff of legends. With a better equipped half back they might have done it too.
“I don’t want to keep interrupting”, later on “no hold on, just let me finish” what’s that Phil? You don’t like being interrupted?
Shoulder charge targeting the head it's send off sorry NSW supporters .Slipping is not excuse if you watch how Walsh was passing the ball he was bending his body to make the pass as soon the ball left his hands Joseph hit him late.
I understand that the NSW team wanted to reduced Walsh effect on the game to minimum but most players with exception of Crichton are not able to tackle properly when playing at center and this is been part of the problem in NRL for very long time the players who are real centers few and most play and can represent NSW.
NSW lost due to bad decision by player and coaching staff to play agressive defense .
Sualii was targeting chest, Reece was slowing down too fast and slipped. 8pm start of winter there is dew in the ground, it's always going to be slippery
@@diceman999 That is no excuse ,what is Walsh supposed to do to pass the ball. Are you ever play proffesional sport of any kind.It's all about speed and angles.My son played for 5 years professionaly union back in the 1990's slippery surface is not excuse. Joseph don't know how to tackle properly /angles and size/. If he know it will not end up with send off.I hope he learns from this experience because in Union the rules are even stiffer then in League.
Martin had wo excellent tackles on exact same surfice and there was no problems .I don't understand what is the point to argue about something which is send off for the last 10 years on club level.
Yes I understand NSW lost because of it but think what argument you have Walsh is out of the game .Imagine if QLD player takes out Teddy same way and is just given yellow card.
Braith, mate, you are out of mine. You only Think of the game, never think of the players well being 😮😮
Thoughts on another solution. Player gets sent off and can not come back. NSW can replace via interchange though but they cannot activate the 18th man. QLD can activate the 18th player. NSW have lost an interchange but still have 13 on the field.
because one was injured from a dangerous tackle and one was a send off because of his own stupidity. You don't get compensated for send offs.
Do stupid things deal with the consequences
How does that get Walsh back on the field?
@@valueinvestor77 Walsh is still out (HIA) but you keep 17 players (by activating the 18th man) for QLD vs 16 (lost a player) for NSW but it’s still 13v13 on the field. NSW still are disadvantaged by only having 3 on the bench.
QLD here and totally agree but they can’t have the player come on until 10 or 20 mins has passed.
Braith most sin bins in the league are accidental but the players still get sin binned.Walsh had a target on him
how can a tackle with the shoulder contacting head a accident
Well that’s a dumb question of course they’ll be send offs like punching or shoulder charge to the head or deliberate swinging arm to the head or any tackle where your not even bent over and just smash someone’s head off that’s all called deliberate foul plays not accidents like this sualii aimed for his chest and Walsh slipped over so it’s a accident
When the ball carrier slips into it. Seriously, how dumb are you people?
Walsh slipped! that's exactly how it's an accident. An accident can still be a send off. How is that even confusing? lol
@@grimstevens8213 yes of course but now match review has come out and said it’s deemed as a grade 2 reckless contact and a grade 2 is a sin bin with on report to get a maximum of 2-4 weeks! So they did get it wrong buddy
@@antonpatea7390 Walsh slipped. it was an accident, Match review is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing. Again, it can still be a send off... but there's a distinction between maliciously punching someone in the head, and a tackle going wrong.
I agree with Buzz's points on player safety, and it does cast a negative light on the game. However, considering the expectations set for Origin games, which are marketed as being a notch above regular club matches, the dismissal could be seen as excessive. People have created traditions around the game, the fans' reaction is a direct result of the "State against State", "Mate against Mate", "Harder hits" narrative that's been pushed. If the rules don't evolve with the game, we risk losing the audience's interest.
That is a tackle everyday of the week, the Qld player was falling otherwise it would have been ok, so the NSW players is being punished for the Qld player not staying on his feet. . The only reason it is a talking point because everyone knows he should of not been sent off, it not only robbed the game form NSW but maybe the series. Good luck keeping the game alive with rubbish decisions like that.
Should have went to spec saver buddy. He was targeting Reese and while i don't believe he fully intended to hit his head like he did, at best he was careless. Are you expecting the NRL only to do something once he is in a Coma? Are you for real? Just like if your drunk and kill some one there is no intent but you still pay the penalty. If the head or neck area is hit in a dangerous way then the rules say you gotto go and anyone doing this should be taken out of the game. Blame the player for not playing correctly & Blame the Thug tactics of your team and not the rules.
@@MrTerrakb117 Seriously mate, you cannot be that stupid. The clown passed a HIA after 10 minutes do your research the wanker was playing dead possum. Good on him but he just fucked a series because I am sure Qld would like a fair fight as well.
Buzz and Braith swapped roles. Braith with the absolute drivel and Buzz on the money lol
If a Flegler Head clash in 2023 Game 1 last year NSW up 18-16 is 10 in the bin, that’s a send off.
All we have been hearing for the last year is QLD say that it wasn’t a 10 in the bin, now they are claiming this was a send off.
It wasn’t even a penalty but if you’re giving that 10 in the bin, how could you even question that not being a send off in this day and age? That happens to Teddy and NSW fans would say send off, which would be fair
@@nswblues3146i don’t think you comprehended his post. I think he was saying that if flegler got 10 for his infraction last year the suaalii’s was definitely a send off.
@@gattingbowledwarne my point is Queenslanders complained about Flegler getting binned for the last year. Now they have changed their tune and said that this was a send off. You can’t pick and choose when it’s convenient for you.
@@nswblues3146 That's funny. Aren't Hooper and Rothfield (both NSW writers), and both are saying that it's a send-off?
It was a send-off. I am a NSW fan. Anasta's point about punters being disappointed is correct, though. The NRL may need to look at something like the ejection rule in the NFL. The player is sent from the field but can be replaced. NSW is still a man short on the bench. The other thing they must consider is the welfare of the other players. Playing a man short raises the risk of injury for the team playing short. Plus, having the origin match over after 8 minutes is not a good look.
its wild how bias so many footy fans are. Walsh was knocked out from a direct and forceful shoulder to the head.. how is that not a send off? Why are people blaming the officials for making the right call within the current set of rules and not Sua'ali for making an awful and reckless tackle? The officials didnt ruin the game, Sua'ali ruined it for NSW supporters.
2 reasons. They need an excuse to why they lost the series. Its Walsh
watching Walsh have his head bounce on the turf was the best, well worth the loss
@@michaelthegreat44 idiot
The old guy OBVIOUSLY supporting Reece Walsh ! Screw him!
Hit job went wrong. Walsh was going to get it anyway. Braith wake up.
Running with chin in air.
Passing at the line without defending himself.
Losing sight of the defender as he passes.
AND
slipped slightly into the tackle.
Good thing Adrian Morley wasnt playing.
Reece Walsh woukd still be asleep.
Gordie talks about brain damage yet he loved to punch others on the field. I never knew it was Boxing? Sin bin at best. Walsh was slipping and he passed the H.I.A even though it was ruled category 1 on the field.
Suaalii's feet did NOT leave the ground. NO launch. If Walsh stays upright he gets hit on the chest.
How's it a send off if he slips into it?I personally have suffered pretty badly with concussion symptoms but that was just bad luck and its not on the defender or the attacker there.Simply a accident
Terrible accidents happen all the time. Yet Suaalii had an intent to put a big shot on Walsh, and in doing so was reckless. Reckless behaviour that may have been accidental still needs to be punished. That’s why the justice system invented manslaughter. Repercussions for carelessness.
It was no accident. If Walsh got brain damage, would that qualify for a send off. What about going over to Walsh’s little daughter and apologizing for illegally hurting her father? Coward and thug, he belongs in Union.
@@damselfish834 if you're ever defending without the intent of making good contact you are doing it wrong
@@MrGroganmeister you're an idiot haha it was clearly a accident.Why would he purposely shoulder him in the head and he clearly slips
So we change the rules to "support the spectacle", clubs arent going to accept that and we wont have the best playing SOO. We need to protect the players
I turned the TV off as soon as he sent a player off before 8 minutes, in a State of Origin game...
Strange how NSW supporters said the game was over after that tackle (and the series) QLD supporters just say game on , let’s go ✊🏾
sualii should be banned for rest of the season, let him go join his union mates
Braith just keep your seat warm and take a seat mate. If Reece (or anyone on that field) got knocked out and had an injury to their head, you are sent off! The sport is, at the most, a violent and rough sport. Head injuries are real and can be lifelong. There are injuries that last years - which ABC did an article about those that played rugby vs not, and what it does to the white matter in your brain. I suggest reading it.
Moses, Latrell and Edwards for game two. Nico, Sua and Teddy goodbye.
Sua? Why
Do you mean suali?
Yo and Jake need to go too
If you pause the footage as Suaalii engages in the tackling motion you can see clearly that it was always going to be a high shot, the fact that Reece slipped only caused Joseph to drive up and over his head. It was late and he never made an attempt to wrap his arms. Klein made the right choice and the only person who is responsible for ruining Game I is Joseph Suaalii.
Reece Walsh is far from the face of rugby league.
must be a slow news day in NSW :) - discussion for almost 8min on an indefensible act
Great hit, Reece is a protected species. If he cant handle it play touch footy.
Wake up....read previous post...doo doo 4 brains
I don’t like how the game is becoming more and more sanitised but a red card there is a fair call imo.
slipping!!! bro its split second what is reece meant to do?
What is Sualii supposed to do?
He's horizontal, off the ground, missiling at Walsh's chest.
@@bornyesterday1895 at his head bro, it was a shoulder charge no intent to wrap, no eyes on the ball, barely a duck at all, if u wanna smash someone u go low and drive the legs like martin, he barley went down. Careless and reckless, direct contact to the head like stupid tackle he should know better, and the send off was well deserved threw the game away for NSW and their plan to take out reece backfired and bit them in the ass as it should.
@@Xtreme2kI just don’t understand how they don’t see. Did they watch the tackle again? It’s there to see… everything you pointed out. Shoulder charge every day of the week,
Am I the only person that doesn't think the tackle was that bad? Walsh slips over and Suaalii couldn't pull out in time. The concussion wasn't even from Suaalii's shoulder but from the contact with the ground. I don't get this sport anymore.
Its funny how he gets up as soon as joey gets sent off.
Yeah, well he's not fuckn dead is he fool. You do know knocked out is temporary eh.🥴
Introduce new types of carding, the fact that it's 10 mins (not that big) and entire game (wahhh match is ruined) is silly. Have something in the middle ground where a player is off for 20, 30 or 40 even. Sure if you couldn't justify Suaali'i being sent off, I don't think you could at the very least argue that he should have been off for at least one full half.
I’m done with Origin. It’s lost its intensity. It’s done. The game isn’t that great anymore Buzz.
Yes, sending Suaalii off fixes Walsh's head trauma and protects him....😂
Oops, no it doesn't! It just hands Queensland the match.
Ask hopgood if it’s lost its intensity. Maybe Union is for you.
Finally people that understand it’s the right call.
As soon as you come out of the line, you have shown your intent. He got it wrong.
Everyone saying what if Walsh didn’t skip? I say what if Joseph didn’t come out of the line. It would of been a normal tackle
Origin has always been ref differently. fights were allowed and celebrated in Origin.
Not anymore. Can't have men throwing punches. Slaps OK though 😂
So Braith wants to protect the game by not protecting the players 👏🏼
but blatant hip drops are okay?
Can get CTE from a hip drop. Players don’t get dementia from hip drops. Paul green didn’t kill himself because of a hip drop. Mario fenech isn’t in a nursing home because of a hip drop.
Buzz is right about not having another player replace the player being sent off. It'll be used tactically.
Sent off for an accident & a decent suspension when Walsh contributed to that hit but slipping more than what Su’ualii did. There’s gotta be room for accidents.
Okay so, I've been watching NRL360 from the very beginning, I've seen atleast 90% of the episodes. I've also seen people give Buzz Rothfield crap, saying he's out of touch. Personally, while Buzz does say some out-there things, nothing his said really gotten to me or stood out. That's until today..
With what Buzz said there at toward the end about Braithe Anasta's idea with send off's having a replacement after a set period of time. Buzz's response to that "so if I'm the Blues Coach Michael Maguire, I'll tell my team before the game 'take Reece Walsh's head off'". What a super messed up thing to say, is he alright? What normal person, or shall I say, what professional coach would say that? I guess that's why he's never been a coach just a journo. I just can't believe that's how he thinks of the situation. I personally love Anasta's substitution idea!
Very naive to think people in league don’t target players or speak like that
@imalwaysright By the logic above, John Hopoate's finger was never deliberately put into places they didn't belong. It could never have been deliberate lol. I believe Hopoate was regarded as a professional, just not a professional footballer hahaha.
Buzz, a man of wisdom tonight
For once 😂😂😂
He's biased on Reece Walsh
Braith is right. It was a send off as well and what makes it worse is that Suaali didnt even check Walsh after he knew he hit him in the head and KOd him, he just ran off, that’s a low act
games gone soft
See the hopgood tackle? Yeah that was soft. Maybe you should watch rugby instead
Braith, you can't defend dumb with dumb.
first time in my life i stopped watching an origin game
Suaalii, LEFT HIS FUCKING FEET. He jumped up and in. This was ending one way and one way only.
Liam Martin also left his feet. So leaving your feet doesn't necessarily mean it's an illegal tackle
Someone who wears nail polish and has his eyelashes done is not the fuckin face of the NRL... FFS 😡🤬
Walshy clearly doing something right to be in your head like this
@@dropbearz4014 yea he should playing in the women's Origin tonight. Obviously you like guys who wear nail polish and eye make up 😉
@@SteveGergs even if i did whats wrong with that? Its 2024 get with the times old man
For me, the key areas are the safety of players, the paying customers, and maintaining an element of fair competition. I agree it's a send off, Gordon makes a strong argument. The Red Card 20 minute one less player and replacement and no activating the 18th man with strong stand-down period 8 min to 12 max weeks for offending player should be action enough that allow the game to still be competitive and appease the paying customers too. I am a born and raised NZ rugby man but NRL is highly entertaining and super competitive that the players create and the decision makers can only try their best and not kill the game doing it. State of Origin is a fantastic brand.
how many parents watching this have now decided soccer is what team sport their signing up their child for. the biggest most advertised showpiece of the nrl with their number one player having a human missile launched at his head, not a good look
So F...king TRUE!!
NRL will be non contact by 2040, don't fear.
8:15 is the real reason its a send off... Thank you
A good adjustment to the send off rule would be. The player who commits the send off offence cannot play the rest of the game and the team has to play with 12 men for 20 minutes ( Effectiely a 20 minute sin bin). After the 20 minutes you can have 13 again but you will effectively only have 16 players now, so 3 on the bench rather than 4. No 18th man activation because you shouldnt be compensated for foul play. This way entire games cannot be so heavily dictated by a send off, yet its still enough of a deterant for future offenders and provides fair compensation for the victimised team.
Think about it though, you could theoretically (not saying they will) get someone to go out and seriously injure Cleary, DCE, Munster, etc and have them off for the rest of the game, but after 20 minutes you're back to 18? So either NSW/QLD loses an important half back/five eigth/full back and the ones who committed the offence only lose a winger/centre/second row/front row, heck I'd take that trade any day of the week. No way that should happen, if you commit an illegal offence you and your team pay for it by going down to 12 for the rest of the game.
@@190daes100% right lol. Every rule brought in just means another tactic coaches can bring in to try and bend the rules. Whats to stop them from putting someone on their bench who has the sole purpose of taking out the main player of the opposition to then just walk off into the sunset and get replaced by a “better” player anyway
You're forgetting it's a team sport.
@@190daes well the same can be said about sin bins then If you think an illegal offence which takes out a player for the game should be a send off. By that logic a hip drop should be a send off because it often takes the player out of the rest of the game and the offender is only out for 10 minutes. i also said the team would NOT have be able to activate 18th man and would play the rest of the game with 16 men and 13 on the field, so only 3 instead of 4 on the bench. Not quite sure what you didnt understand about it.
@@Oscarbrrr no, I said no 18th man for the offending team, so you cant just replace a bad player with a good 18th man. so your costing your team 20 minutes with 12 men, a penalty, and only 16 players for the rest of the game. and also that player is looking at a 4-6 week suspension. Its not a price worth paying. And the opposition team will be able to activate there 18th man so if they do think that one of there key players is going to be targeted they can put an 18th man that they think can fill his shoes.
If braith wants to blame anyone for ruining the contest, blame Suaalii for commiting the offence. For once I agree with Buzz over Braith.