This 1960's NFL Division Was Crazy!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- What did the 1968 Cardinals, Saints, Browns and Steelers have in common to be put together in the same division? Check out this awesome video that contains crystal clear game footage to find out!
Not just a great video, but a spontaneous act of generosity! 😊😊😊😊😊
As Frank Burns once said, "It's nice to be nice to the nice!"
@@kingofallmediums2123 😎❤️
The NFL was still better in 1968 than it is today.
That's for sure!
Not even close
Not athletically in ‘68 but, fundamentally in football polish and execution, absolutely!= better in ‘68..certainly even with a four-team NFL expansion in the Sixties, and the sprouting up of ten AFL teams in that league’s first nine seasons, DEPTH was still much better back then=
No darn salary cap cuts, fewer teams for watering down talent.
I will say that major increases in Black American players over the last fifty seasons have immensely improved the athleticism part of the play, but have only equaled the polish part, although playing experience-wise for both blacks and integration era whites it’s found to be much more green on the benches of teams in the NFL today and, white or black that has reduced polish such as that which is found on the playing execution fundamentals side, today.
Absolutely Dr. loveless! Could Not agree more. Not even watchable today. That's why there's great outlets like this one to give plenty of enjoyable viewing.
@@dr.migilitoloveless2385 nah it's just you once we're young and like everyone before and since you have a bias towards things you liked as a kid
Great concept. Love the history of the divisions, and the deep(er) dive into the individual teams. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
RIP Howard Twilley.
Out of the University of Tulsa. Howard Cosell loved him!
I'd almost forgotten how good Roy Jefferson was with the Steelers!
His moves and strength on that punt return were impressive.
Impeccable job Mark! Thank you! The Browns and Steelers were the only geographical paring in that Century division. If you look at Shiners career, he just didn't get a break and the chance to develop his skills. He had a good arm and delivery.
@@2095yourstruly thanks I’m going to google him, this seemed to happen quite often
@@2095yourstruly wow he’s still alive 82 years old ! Did quarterbacks come from anywhere but Pennsylvania in the 50s - 60s ? 😎
Growing up in Pittsburgh, everybody wanted to be QB, and on the line to hit.
Shiner had the misfortune of playing behind Jurgensen, Frank Ryan, Tarkenton and Plunkett. The Steelers drafted Bradshaw and his 2 year starting run had ended.
@ 😎 poor guy kind of unfair I feel for players like that , thanks !
I saved Mark’s last two videos so I can watch them now instead of the Super Bowl. Real football minus the ridiculous commercials, goofball celebrity worship, and unwatchable halftime nonsense…..thanks Mark!!
Awesome! I'm with ya on all that.
You are not alone. What the NFL has become is an absolute abomination to the game and bears no resemblance to the great action, analysis, spirit and footage provided here.
Truly superb job of covering this in depth! Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!!
Awesome episode dude. Luv the old saints footage. Really killer stuff.i enjoy these episodes and look forward to many more.
I've still got quite a few topics to broach, so hopefully I'll be able to kick those out. I'm glad that you like the channel!
Loved the "Benchwarmer Bob" interception! He was quite the character for the Vikes and Giants!
I remember his tv commercials in the '70's. TCF? I stood next to him at Huberts next to Metrodome in the early '90's and he was a mountain of a man.
...and Seahawks, although maybe not so much of a character then.
@@markgardner9460 Great story!
@@markgardner9460I think they were for TCF (short for Twin City Federal). Benchwarmer Bob Lurtsema! TCF was the original naming sponsor for the new outdoor stadium the U of M built-they were bought by Huntington Bank and now that’s name. The Vikings played a few years there after the Metrodome was torn down but USBank Stadium wasn’t ready yet.
What fun! As I was 3 at the time I have some memories, but not of football, great time capsule! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
I knew Sonny Jurgenson was good but I never realized just how good he was until I reviewed his stats. This guy was a bear. Kilmer was another one...tough as they come. Wore the one bar helmet, basically ran for his life when he played for New Orleans.
To me, Jurgensen is the best pure passer of all-time and I've always admired Kilmer's determination, grit and toughness. Both of those guys played a long time.
Great video as usual. I had an old annual from one of these years as a kid. Memory starts in 69 and Chiefs Vikings in Super Bowl 4
Thank you! For some reason I recall parts of Super Bowl III, but not Super Bowl IV.
@@markgardner9460 Joe Namath! Super Bowl 4 was never close Tied the series then the merger- Colts were an NFL moved to AfC and won 5 and Cowboys 6 so 4-2.. -
That is the reason, I'm sure, along with Curt Gowdy being the play by play announcer. Super Bowl IV had Jack Buck who always seemed to induce sleep for me.
@@markgardner9460 Great point now that you mention it. We were blessed with Dandy Don Gifford and Howard. Bar too high. Summerall and Brookshire as well
I agree 100%
I was a tyke back then. Most forget this transition between the NFL/AFL and the NFC/AFC! Thanks!
I had forgotten Paul Warfield was with the Browns before his stint with the Dolphins.
That's right. The league should do a better job of sharing their history with their fans, I think.
"As always"Mark"...you leave" no stones unturned"..my "thirst" for "yester-year" football" and " sports" in "general is quenched"!!💥🔥
Love that! I forgot to add a trinket or two regarding Saints Head Coach Tom Fears and his association with the pass happy Rams of the '50's. Otherwise, I, too, am satisfied.
The 68 season was the year of the AFL and Namath and the Jets. Wow Jim Hart played 19 yrs.
He guaranteed a win in the Super Bowl
...and delivered
@@surfshack2 Jim Hart was underated. One of the best in that era...
@ I agree, on the right team he would’ve been a winner, I know he always gave the Eagles trouble.
Mark, I love all of the old footage, Thank You! Yeah, when I was a teen in the 70's I never could understand why the Saints and Falcons were in the NFC West and then the St. Louis Cardinals were in the NFC East. In 1960 to 1966 the Colts were in the Western and St. Louis was in the Eastern. In 1961 when Minnesota came into the league in the Western, instead of moving the Colts to the Eastern they moved Dallas to the Eastern. A lot of extra travel miles for the Colts.
Good stuff - I hadn't considered the travel aspect for the Colts.
Very few players can replace a legend but Leroy Kelly sure did a great job!
He had such a great combination of acceleration, speed, balance and power with some good moves, too.
@@stevenzimmerman4057 I was a kid in Denver he was my favorite player I guess he must have had injuries later for awhile he was superb
Yeah, like most teams, they wear 'em out due to overuse.
RIP Dick Jauron.
I remember watching a NFL Films episode where he called Chuck Foreman a whirling dervish.
@@markgardner9460 A Yale man and 2015 College Football HOF inductee.
Gary Fencik - another DB who attended Yale
Century and Capital divisions! Crazy ! One of my first NFL memories!
This was right about when I started getting into nfl football wish I had a time machine.
Another incredibly excellent piece of work!!
Thank you - I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
That's a incredible stat by Hart 19 rushes 20 yards and 6 TD!
He was "sneaky"
Just a few years away from the best Division in football history, in my opinion. That would be the AFC Central Division. Houston, Cincinatti, and two of the three new teams to the AFC, Pittsburg and Cleaveland. The best because I was raised in Houston. Great rivalries. Again, Mark great video.
That was a highly competitive division for sure in the mid to late '70's!
All those players mainly stayed on the same teams for ages, back then, so there really were some grudge matches.
I think the Browns really wanted to lay it on the Cowboys and did so in the playoff. Dallas had run up 52 points on them the year before.
Likewise, I always thought it interesting how the Colts weren't content with a 27-0 win over the Browns. Colts just kept hammering them and got that extra touchdown to finish off the Browns, with the TD being a punctiation mark.
That last td was scored by Timmy Brown of Eagles fame. It was the only year he played for the Colts. Thanks, Tommy.
The same Timothy Brown who went on to be part of the Original Cast of both the 1969 "MASH" Movie and the 1972 through 1983 TV Show.🤔🦅🔔🏈👨⚕️👩⚕️🏥🚑🎥📺B.W.
I remember a few of the stand outs in '68, this was when I caught the NFL virus and have been a fan(atic) since....did you notice the great Andy Russel playing special teams? Jackie Smith, great player unfairly remembered for his drop w/the Cowboys in (was it) SB 13....maybe earlier. I always loved Kilmer, tough, gritty, clutch, he didn't look the part - more like a junior high shop teacher. I noticed several players, including Billy that went on to greatness on other teams. Leroy Kelly one of the greatest unfortunately shadowed by a plethora of '70s backs. Thanks again brother, appreciated.
Yes, Andy Russell was a stud - has HOF credentials. Also, I agree with you concerning Kelly - it took him an unnecessarily long time to get into the HOF. He had a great combination of running skills that most RB's would love to have just one of.
Kelly's game was a combination of twitch, acceleration, moves, powerful angry runner. There are very few backs that have all of these attributes. His ability to not take a big hit (twitchy) was remarkable. I don't like nor can I think of a comp - mix Earnest Byner w/Adrian Peterson. Appreciated.
I agree, brother. Perhaps Tomlinson is a good comparison, although he was built with a much more sturdy foundation, physically. I find it difficult to provide a comparable RB which is indicatice of his uniquiness - maybe Fred Taylor? Again, Taylor was about 25 pounds heavier than Kelly.
Yes, that was Super Bowl XIII when Jackie Smith had the dropped end zone pass with Dallas.
I love this channel. I wonder how you can keep doing this at such a high-level time after time. Great job...again!
Thank you very much! I enjoy digging up info, stats, stories and hopefully putting some "splash" or "sizzle" to the presentation, too. I'm glad that you continue to watch the videos and provide comments!
Love watching Warfield the epitome of grace!
@@stevenzimmerman4057 why did Browns trade him to Dolphins ? Hopefully they got something
It amazes me that he and Don Maynard (2 very frail-looking Wide Receivers) were able to stay healthy for so long.
@@DennisHurst-f2q they got a third round pick which turned out to be Mike Phipps which was a absolute steal for the Dolphins!
QB Mike Phipps is the guy they drafted with the Dolphins 1st round draft pick.
@@markgardner9460 The Browns got fleeced!
That was a bad-ass Cardinal logo with the running bird!
I think it's the best logo they've had
Woohoo! 🏈
Don Meredith, Fran Tarkington, Sonny Jurgensen, Billy Kilmer.....
So many great players!
Edit: Did I also see Brodie and Unitas? 🥴
Wow! Great video.
We're all glad that Chuck Noll saw the potential in Pittsburgh and went on to make it a great football town.
He sure turned that defense around! Solid coaching combined with astute draft picks is tough to beat.
@@onepunch9203 Great era of football!
OMG ! This might be you’re best ever for me , loved hearing about the lower level teams and thier star players , I was a kid in 68 and lived in Denver an AFL city so I only heard of the better teams and their players , this was so great , didn’t Willis Crenshaw later play for Broncos all those yards but fumbles ouch , learning about Dick Hoak , Roy Jefferson I really appreciate your work , the clips , the music , your knowledge, 😎 good place to be , thank you
Thank you, Dennis! Yes, Crenshaw was a Bronco in '70 when he mainly played as a short yardage/goal line Running Back.
I love the way your videos bring back memories Mark!
Glad you like them!
Remarkably, the Saints in '68 were considered the most successful expansion team in NFL history.
The SI Vault tells how the 3 teams ( Pitt, Balt, and Cleveland ) were convinced to move to the AFC. Rooney had to convince Modell , and there were other scenarios that were considered besides those 3 who eventually moved.
One popular one was moving Philly, Atlanta, and Minnesota to the AFC.
The reason the SAINTS and GIANTS alternated= every other season in the three seasons before the NFL/AFL(NFC/AFC) regular season schedule merger was the insistence by the other teams’ owners in the EASTERN CONFERENCE that the NY GIANTS make a road visit at least twice in their cities in the three years before the sked merger.
If the GIANTS had only stayed in the CAPITOL DIVISION, they would’ve only visited CLEVELAND, PITT, ST. LOUIS and NEW ORLEANS once or twice with two visits not guaranteed.
The same single-visiting holds true at DALLAS, PHILLY AND WASHINGTON if NYG had only been in the CENTURY DIV.
The GIANTS had old- days(EASTERN CONFERENCE 1960-66 with ST.LOU. and DALLAS -although, in 1960 the latter was in the West and played STL and the EAST teams like the GIANTS only one time-, and ‘33-66 E. Division/E. and AMERICAN[AMER. CONF=the latter was 1950, ‘51, and 52 only] Conference-slated annual home/road dates with all other Eastern teams and the CHITOWN version of the CARDINALS in the old structured =non-split up/pre-two divisions Eastern Conference along with the STEELERS, too.
That ‘67-69 GIANTS team was not a powerhouse by any means but they did bring the NYC market’s attention to the new SAINTS ..CLEVE., PITT., and in ‘67=seven years in the modern NFL= ST. LOUIS markets.
That alternating divisions reasoning is all according to then NFL commish PETE ROZELLE.
Yep, that is why alternating divisions happened.
Thank you for providing the info!
@ , you’re welcome..
Are you Canadian?
No, but I probably have a Minnesota accent.
recall 68 like yesterday, I was 13 and we had season ducts on the 45 for the cowboys... damn, those were the days with archie bunker!
Seats on the 45 yard line: SWEET!
Billy "whiskey" Kilmer ! I have a lot of respect for him! He had serious guts!
One of my favorites! Reminds me of Kapp.
@@markgardner9460 Great comparison!
As an addendum to this video, I recommend the movie Number One with Charleton Heston that came out in 1969, if you can find it. A good flick that many in the NFL at the time said it captured the essence of the game.
Thanks for the heads up - I'm gonna check it out!
I do highly recommend it and I think you'll like it. A different movie, incredibly it was largely ignored for a Charleton Heston coming off of Planet of the apes, but it has a captivating style to it and captures the atmosphere of the late 1960s.
I was at the Cardinals-Saints game in St. Louis in 1968. That day, the Saints had a "quarterback" on the sidelines named Charlton Heston. He wore #1, and some filming was done that afternoon for the movie, titled (surprise, surprise) "Number One."
Very cool - thanks for sharing! Another viewer commented that it's a really good movie.
Well done again! Thanks buddy
You bet. Always glad to hear from you!
🤣 Thanks Mark…
Now when I think of Timex, the face of Billy Kilmer comes to mind.
For some reason, John Cameron-Swayze's voice from those Timex television commercials came to me when I watched those Kilmer hits.
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🤣 there is a name from the past 😮👍🏾
Great logos back then. Terrific footage Mark! Maybe a deep dive into SB III could be added to your suggestion box? A look at the individual matchups. All we hear is about the guarantee. Could have been the biggest upset in football history. Would like to know more.
I'll add your suggestion to my list, Evan. There are quite a few ideas on it - hopefully I can address that one! Thanks!
Awesome treasure. This is vintage “1960’s style” NFL Football
Better have yer head on a swivel if you played back then.
Atkins, Rowe, Mike Tilleman---despite struggling for wins, the early Saints had some serious size & talent across the defensive line.
Yes, thank you for bringing that up - those men were huge...6'8", 6'7" and 6'7" respectively.
The Trainer once asked Doug Atkins how he was doing. "My leg feels funny, Doc." They checked on him. All he had was a broken tibia!😂🐻🏈👨⚕️💉💊🏥🚑B.W.
He was cut from another type clothe
My Cardinals growing up. Seemed like we would tie Pittsburgh, who were horrible then, and finish a half game behind the Browns, every year!
My favorite Cornerback is Pat Fischer. His first year with the Redskins was 1968.
I grew up an STL Football Cardinals fan in the 1960s starting their first year after moving from Chicago in 1960. The Cleveland Browns were their main rival after being in the East conference with them the prior years. The Browns were always a little better. One thing frustrating though was how the Cardinals would be very good one year and poor the next so often in the 1960s. Maybe it was injury related. St. Louis refused to build an all footbal stadium for the Cardinals in 1988 so the owner moved to Arizona thinking they would right away fund a stadium, but ended up playing their first 18 years at Arizona State. Then St. Louis after threats from owner Stan Kroenke to move from a 20 year old Dome stadium came up with yet another stadium to build learning their lesson from the Cardinals only to have Kroenke move the Rams anyway.
That must have been exciting being a fan of a new team in your area. I know that I was when the Timberwolves came to town, however all of that losing grew old pretty quickly.
@@markgardner9460 Well, in 1960 I was only 7 years old but the big thrill I most remember is that a local maker of bacon and hot dogs put in to each pack a football card of a player from the new team. If you got a complete set of 16 cards or so you got a free ticket to a game but i came up short. I held on to those cards though for quite awhile. I did attend several games in the 1960s. I know what you mean about losing and the Rams had a five year stretch here where it was among the worst in NFL history.
At least the NFL draft wasn't rigged like the NBA's. The T-Wolves would always draft one spot behind however many blue chip players were in the draft. It was a big joke.
Cool history, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The 6-3 Steelers win over the Eagles was the worst game I personally saw. It was knowN as the “futility bowl” and the O.J. Simpson bowl as both teams were 0-6. I remember the eagles getting an interception at their own 1 then going for it on 4th down at their 10, the Steelers stopping them, then kicking the winning FG. Of course neither teams drafted OJ, but the Steelers got some defensive linemen whose name was Greene I believe in the 69 draft.
45 degrees with 14 mph wind - kinda chilly for late October in Pitt. The Steelers were favored by one point in that game. Thanks for commenting!
I remember it being called the OJ bowl, how would he have felt if he had to play for those 2 teams
@@michaelleroy9281 well he could have had rings if the Western PA team had picked him. Wonder what Noll thought about him?. Don’t think there would have been OJ’s Italian army
I was trying to figure out who the elf represented, lol. The original division the Jags played in had the Steelers in it. They changed that after the Jags kept beating them, lol.
Brownie the Elf was created in the 1940's in order to poke fun of Paul Brown.
Because of the Houston Texans coming into the league in 2002, the Jaguars became part of the new AFC South and 4 divisions with 4 teams in both the AFC and NFC
Love it as always
Thanks again!
As a Browns fan, I thought the Century Division was an odd name, and I was a pubescent. Things got better after the merger, grouping the close-by Browns-Steelers- Bengals, plus the Oilers. Arthur B. Modell did himself, and the league, a big favor by moving in with the AFL clubs. Now Modell's name lives in infamy with the move to Baltimore. The Cleveland Browns have never been the same.
Love the music.
Hi Marc, that was the first year. I became interested in football at age 8 and remember it vividly. I actually still have my 1968 Topps football set and I actually expanded to try to collect the OPC Canadian set that was issued that what year as well. Believe it or not the OP set is very very rare and expensive some of the cards running between a minimum of three dollars up to hundreds of dollars, especially the checklist. Over the years, and I’ve been able to acquire half the set at bargain base pricesbecause I go for the lesser condition cards but the Canadian 1960 80 PC said is very challenging.
The farthest I went back for compketed sets was '69. What an awesome set. I dig the '68 set, too, because I think it has a modern feel to it. It's aged well, unlike those Philadelphia sets, in my opinion.
@ I saved my Topps 1968-72 Football sets
Do you have the '72 3rd series? I only had 3 cards, but they were the Namath and Butkus Pro Action cards which were both graded PSA 7. The other card was a 90/10 cut top to bottom Larry Little All-Pro. The back of the '71 cards typically have boatloads of great information - their best year by far, in that regard.
@ they were short printed so I don’t have them
I miss the Big Red...
They belong in St Lou, in my opinion.
Ottis Anderson should be in the Hall of Fame, too.
The government of the fine city of St. Louis dropped the ball imo. Then Kroenke and his buddies Jones and Goodell screwed the fans of St. Louis with the Rams. St. Louis is definitely a football town...
It certainly has a large enough population to support a team, along with a large surrounding area to draw upon.
Absolutely fantastic video. Question: When is the footage with Kilmer wearing a black helmet from?
It's actually from the 1969 pre-season. The Owner failed to register the new black helmet design with the NFL, so the league would not license it. The league office pressured the owner to get rid of it
...and the Saints fans didn't like it either, so it was dropped before the start of the regular season.
@@markgardner9460 I was wondering the same thing re the black helmet on Kilmer. That's some impressive research!! Thanks for a terrific look back.
@@markgardner9460 Thanks for the information. I know a lot about helmet design and development and this one got by me. I figured it was a pre-season picture. Did you know the Cleveland Browns actually had a CB helmet logo around the same time but never wore it in a game. The design did make it on to some programs though!
I did not know that! I wonder if there is a clear internet photo of that available. I'll check.
Cleveland’s Frank Ryan (13) was at the tail end of his career in ‘68, and was replaced by Bill Nelsen (16) at QB. Nelsen had been a decent QB with the lowly Steelers, but he stepped up big time and surprised a lot of folks with the Browns, leading them to the NFL Championship game twice. In the video, Ryan was still holding for place kicks and did start a couple of games.
Yes, Ryan was depicted throwing a td pass to Warfield in one of the clips. He wrapped up his career with the Redskins in ''69 & 70. Thanks, Denis.
@ Yes, I think he played for Lombardi. Solid career for Doctor Frank. Have a great Super Bowl weekend, Mark, et al. Go Eagles 🦅
1968 would be the last season every team in the NFL played on grass. In fact the AFL Oilers were the only one in all of Pro Football to play on turf . It was a time when the NFL was geographicaly challenged. How Baltimore was placed in the Western Division had to be quite a head scratcher. Then again The Falcons and Saints would be put in the NFC West, and later Tampa Bay would be put first in the AFC West then the NFC Central. The League alternated home field advantage in the playoffs. The Cowboys and Colts had better records than the Browns. yet both played in Cleveland in the post-season. 1968 was also the last year of the two Dons(Perkins and Meredith) in the Dallas backfield. Dandy had his best campaign in his last season. But after 9 seasons of punishment to the body . Both had enough.
Great stuff! Especially regarding the playing surface reference.
My guess about Baltimore being in the West is that it was probably the same logic the NFL had in having the Chicago Cardinals and Chicago Bears in different conferences: make it so fans in a particular area with two teams could see a wider range of teams come play there. They always kept Washington and Baltimore apart-and in the merger it was almost inevitable that they’d put the Colts in the AFC away from Washington. The Cardinals were almost always in the Eastern Conference in Chicago and had rivalries there,so they kept them in the East when they moved to St. Louis
Cards didn't play on turf in '68??
@bemore1134 I believe the first NFL team to play on turf was Philadelphia in 1969.
this would have been the geographically correct way to align the divisions from 1967-'9:
* Baltimore/New York/Philadelphia/Washington.
* Atlanta/Cleveland/Detroit/Pittsburgh.
* Chicago/Green Bay/Minnesota/Saint Louis.
* Dallas/Los Angeles/New Orleans/San Francisco.
That season earned the Steelers the fourth pick in the 1969 draft. They took a defensive lineman named Joe Greene. He did OK.
The Steelers took some heat for that pick...early, because fans had not really heard of him in college. The heat didn't last long.
@@markgardner9460Even Art Rooney asked his sons about Greene "How do we know he's any good?". He was told "Dad, you see the picture of Ernie Stautner on your wall? Someday you'll replace that picture with Joe Greene's".
That's a classic quote!
@@markgardner9460They were asking Joe who?
The Cardinals finished 2nd that year even though they beat the Browns twice that season. But because they tied the hapless Steelers the Browns won the division.
The 9-4-1 Cardinals were unbeaten in Division play, but their four losses (Colts, Cowboys, Rams and 49ers) weren't close. The tie against the Steelers cost St. Louis the Century Division title.
The lowly Steelers did that - I'll look it up to see where the game was played.
@@markgardner9460It was in St Louis
Wow, Erich Barnes got a bad ice cube that day against Dallas.
As a Vikes fan I started watching football around that time and I googled the Vikes Saints game in 1968 yes Bobby Bryant had the 51 yard interception return but Bo Burris. of the Saints had a 94 yard pick 6 and the Saints got 2 4th quarter FG by Charlie Durkee FG to upset Minnesota 20-17 Burris had 4 picks and that was one of them!( Career) Kapp was a abysmal 9-28 net 51 yards Kilmer 9-17 86 yards Vikings 4 turnover Saints 7! Vikings finished 8-6 first division title Saints 4-9-1 ugly game!
What a crazy game! Thanks for providing the details, Steven.
@@stevenzimmerman4057 what a memory ! Can’t believe Vikings win division with 8-6 bet that caused some grumbling from Rams and Cards , 69 Vikings did great until Super Bowl I was totally shocked at Super Bowl iv outcome
Wow!!! Kapp & Kilmer played a game against each other as QBs!!! Now THAT’s Classic “Old School” gritty QBs!
I figured you'd like that int!
@@rogerwilliams5366Indeed!
The Saints never did wear those black helmets they were thinking of wearing in 1969
They wore them, but only in pre-season games - not during the regular season.
Great seeing action from this time period. I am familiar with some names, not many. I began to follow the league around 71-72. Just curious to hear from yourself and others as to when you attended your first game and who played.
I was a late bloomer - 23 years old. Vikes and Rams playing at Metrodome - overtime game. Rich Karlis of the Vikes kicked 7 field goals.
My first was Redskins at Giants in 1975. Game played at Shea Stadium.
66 degree day on November 9th - awesome weather
Great footage but what's up with that music? @ 7:15 aounds like a Laurel and Hardy movie.
It probably played during the Saints footage, so it was intended to relate to the jazz theme of New Orleans.
So it was the Saints and the Giants who (for some reason) went back-and-forth between the Century and Capitol divisions. This covers the one season out of three when it was the Saints instead of the Giants in the Century division.
Saints & Giants switching divisions every season made no sense.
@@johnbrennan4449Just 3 seasons the last ones from the old NFL
The deal was so every Eastern Conference team can play in New York at least once from 1967 through 1969
after the Colts beat the Browns 34-0. the Colts lost to the NY Jets in Superbowl III.
Joe Namath guaranteed a win
Dan Abramowitz 5.1 in the 40 yard dash? Wow! Doug Atkins was a freak of nature!
So, let's say that his nerves were caml - what does he run it in? 4.8? Not exactly burning up the track, but speed isn't everything.
@@markgardner9460 Obviously because he put up outstanding stats!
Must've had great moves like Biletnikoff.
@@markgardner9460 Not to mention great hands!
He broke Lance Alworth's consecutive game pass reception mark, then Harold Carmichael broke his record.
Chuck Latourette what a versatile player!
Did everything but sell programs and popcorn.
@markgardner9460 😂
what kind of football team names themselves after a fairy? Nobody, that's who. The time line I am from the Browns were named after Paul Brown, not a fairy.
Bob Hayes supposedly had bad hands but what a catch at 11:59!
He wanted it!
1970s were the best era i miss The American football league Boston Patriots
If its the AFL you miss, then the decade you want is the 1960s.
@ronmackinnon9374 yes I know this I've got a great book called long gone it's the history of the A F L life log patriots fan
In 1970 they were still the Boston Patriots - their last year with that name, as I'm totally sure you are well aware of. I've always thought that Gino Cappelletti should have been inducted into the Hall of Fame, but hardly anyone speaks of him in that regard.
@markgardner9460 if it wasn't for him that franchise would have moved I still call them the Boston Patriots to this day I wish they would go back to that name and definitely the throwback uniforms should be worn from here on in
No endless replays/reviews, refs who knew no one came to games to see them toss flag after flag, announcers who called the game without self promotion, no side line reporters, no woke commercials…. Yes, it was a great time for the NFL!
You nailed it! I can definitely do without sideline reporters. What a waste of salary expenses for the tv networks. Also, these replays take so long that questioning the integrity of the game is inevitable, especially when close to half of the calls appear to be incorrect.
Forget the 'butt fumble' -- check out the 'helmet interception' (17:40-17:45).
I like it!
clowns and steelers were still in the nfl (nfc) so they made sense and i guess because cards were now in st.l nfl considered cards closest to n o with boys not being taken away from their east rivals. Even tho the other new nfc arrival falcons were n o true rival and would have to wait until after merger to be in same division as nfl pre-merger with n o, atl, and miami added looked to go more south for teams. And another newbie cincy couldn't be added to steeler/clown division being in afl until after the merger which saw colts jump conferences too. Yet even after merger divisions still didn't make sense. Why were n o/atl. then car. in nfc west? tb started in afc west and seahawks in nfc west before flipping conferences. And cards as phx.,az played in nfc east until 2002 re-alignment.
The Browns didn't play like " Clowns" in 1968( 10-4) except in the NFL Championship game
These players actually had Jobs that they had to work during the off season. They were not spoiled brats making millions!
Even the stars had jobs. I released a Don Perkins video before this one and he worked as a civil servant for the state of New Mexico in the off-season.
The Cardinals lost the Century Division because of a tie with the lowly Steelers even though they beat the Browns twice
The Cards had good firepower - took it to the Browns
@@michaelleroy9281 ouch that had to hurt , Cards had some good qbs in Charley Johnson and Hart.
Johnson was in the U.S. Army Reserve, but he still played from time to time.
@@markgardner9460 oh that definitely messed his career up ! He’s underrated in my humble opinion
Yes - excellent leader. Very solid QB.
I'm definitely not watching the Stupor Bowl! I despise Philadelphia and I'm sick of the Chiefs!
I'm not watching it either - too much sizzle and not enough substance.
@markgardner9460 Totally agree the 60s and into the early 80s was much better!
That means the Browns and Saints played each other twice, both easy wins for the Browns
did Rocky Blier enlist or was he drafted into the Vietnam War. my older brother enlisted in 68
He was drafted
Paul Warfield, LeRoy Kelly
A couple other big reasons 3:49 😂
QBs now with those td to int ratios would get them cut
Probably...but today's QB's who protect their Passer Rating by constantly checking down and ending up punting on 4th down would be cut as well back in the day.
Some of the placement of teams in the so called , division's during the 1960s made no sense. What's Baltimore doing in the western division? Or playoff placement, when you have the LA Rams one year win 11 games and won the west division travel to Green Bay, who won 8 games that year. The St. Louis cardinals were moved around, so we're the newly formed Saints. It was a mess.
Baltimore had been in the Western Conference since 1953 because they replaced the Dallas Texans of 1952 who were in the Western Conference, and went out of business
Dick Hoak was a good running back playing on a awful team!
Plus he coached a long time after his playing days.
We have had the discussion before is Jim Hart a HOF player? I say yes barely
I agree. He reminds me of Harold Baines in baseball....didn't lead the league very often in statistical categories, but played a long time and put up big career numbers.
@@markgardner9460 They were both compilers for sure. I’m more lenient with the football HOF. Stats are such a huge part of baseball. Hart had some really good years and I would put him in, but as Steven said, barely.
Pitt is east
Karl Sweetan? UGH
I remember him with the Rams in mop up duty.
@@markgardner9460 and Lions
I didn’t know he played for the Saints until I saw this. I remember him being with the Lions on his 1968 Topps card (I was 5-first year I had football cards and the first season I remember! ) What I remember about Sweetan and the Rams was that he tried to sell his Rams playbook after he got cut, which was a major no-no.