Why the Dodgers are haunted by Chavez Ravine ghosts | Fernandomania @ 40 Ep. 3
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2021
- (English and Spanish subtitles available)
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Episode 3 of Fernandomania @ 40 explores the forming of the perfect storm that made Fernandomania possible. More than 1,800 families in the Chavez Ravine communities - La Loma, Palo Verde and Bishop -- were asked to leave their homes starting in 1950, because the City of Los Angeles believed the land could be better utilized for build public housing. Some sold their property, others were forced d out due to draconian eminent domain laws.
In the end, the public housing idea was a political non-starter, but not long after the City of Los Angeles designated the land for public use, it was used as the bait to lure the Dodgers away from Brooklyn in 1958 - leaving large swaths of displaced Angelenos resentful of the Dodgers for occupying the land at Chavez Ravine. For many, those feelings of resentment lingered, until Fernando Valenzula’s rookie season in 1981.
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Fernando discovered - • How the Dodgers discov...
Chavez Ravine ghosts - • Why the Dodgers are ha...
‘Mexican Sandy Koufax’ - • Before Fernando Valenz...
1981 Opening Day - • How Fernando Valenzuel...
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The screwball - • What made Fernando Val...
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My Dad always use to say "Poor people never took anything away from me, but rich men in suits have".
A poor man never offered me a Job .
Only a Rich man
@@BumfightkrewAmerica biggest cap heard around the world
@@BumfightkrewAmerica you mean they paid you minimum to do work for them?? brainwashed
@@BumfightkrewAmerica wrong poor will hire poor because they know you trying to grow 🤡
They should make a movie out of this. This is our history.
The idea of tearing down “substandard” housing was popular urban renewal in the 1950’s and 60’s. They were replaced by hideous projects.
It's hard to believe that this sort of thing still happens to this very day
My great uncle, and his family, were amongst the ones that were kicked out of Chavez Ravine pretty much forced to go to Pacoima. It’s a marred history. Nothing I was ever told in school. Then again I was the type to sometimes upset some of my teachers for asking “according to whom or what? ..... think I also got some of that from same aforementioned uncle
History is a lie no matter where what country you go to history always lie
Believe the natives of every country they know the truth
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thats nice dear
Never heard this story before, but very interesting and sad atst.
Check the book stealing home....
Our local and state governments are the cruelest enemy the poor and middle classes in this country have. Every single day.
And they are evil because they are owned by the wealth hording, wage stealing, private sector. The government AND the private business sector
I think and hope this makes for a theater movie, part of history that I did not know about (LA and Fernando Valenzuela) and I am kinda old already. I would love to see a movie. We need more movies representing the history of our people 🇲🇽🇲🇽
I agree maybe 🤔 Edward James Olmos could play Fernando Valenzuela! 🤔🙄😂
Thank you for this.....
This is terrible, it’s another example of the rich or Corp not giving a damn and putting people out of their homes, probably without compensation
What about McCarthy
Exactly traditional keeps going forever with them.
So glad this history is becoming more well known, My grandparents were among those forced from their home. I’m born and raised in Los Angeles, and I was raised to never root for the Dodgers
Make sure you never drive the freewaya either. Thousand of families were displaced to build them all. Don't ever go to County hospital emergency room either. They demolished homes of families that were there for generations.
@@pigjubby1 I’m talking about the Dodgers and how they directly affected my family, not the freeways, or hospitals. Reading comprehension isn’t for everyone
@@pigjubby1 Shut uP doyers need to go back to Brooklyn.
Great video
Well done segment on LA history and community impact. Has a distinct ring of the water stealing dealings depicted in the movie Chinatown, where big interests behind the scenes enhance themselves at public expense under ruses designed to shield their greed and corruption.
Keep your head up VIVA LA RAZA
That's a real shame,they should have left that neighborhood alone.
Just like with Central Park; or Tulsa, Oklahoma; or the Interstate highway system
WOW THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER HEARING OF THIS...
Me too
Cold hearted
The Dodgers owe Fernando Valenzuela a 50% stake in the franchise for bringing back Mexicans to the stadium.
I agree 💯 percent!!!
34 needs to be retired.
What the dodger’s need to do is pay those 300 families that we’re kicked out of there homes reparations. And publicly acknowledged what they did. Otherwise they will always be SWATTERS in my book!!!
@@wicked2740 been saying this. but everyone, even family, stays ignorant by choice. it's insane.
no! it isnt safe anymore
Enlightening
Rich taking advantage of the poor? Say it ain't so Joe!
Damn that’s f’d up. Learnt.
WTF is learnt?
Remember who this land really belong too
Who?
@@eddiedimas5586 THE PEOPLE
I always knew about this growing up my parents would tell me stories about Chavez Ravine my dad said he had some friends that live there back in the 40s zoot suit times it was a rough area back then yeah they got screwed over the people that live there they never received anything from Los Angeles They promised people new housing projects ever became of nothing try doing it nowadays it wouldn’t happen part of Los Angeles history good in bed
Good in bed
Orale😀
They do it all the time even now. They just keep it under wraps and you won't ever know about it because it happens in the deepest of ghettos.
This is the first time I see anything like this, maybe cause born in the late 70's. I read anything about what actually happened in any book when I was in elementary or any time I was in school.
Forced to sell, doesn't sound like a free country.
Eminent domain. That is how the freeways were built.
It's a free country for the white
@@adolfojuarez3654 . Go to Appalachia to see real poverty.
@@adolfojuarez3654 With all the benefits minorities get. I doubt it
@@adolfojuarez3654 correction for the rich. The race war is the rich people's game they planted on us to keep us busy hating and fighting each other while they play Monopoly in real life.
I believe this is why there's alot of death in and around the stadium
The housing project was a smoke screen for what they really wanted to do! Dodger Stadium!
Tragic. They always have taken from the Raza.
I hope people,other than Mexican-Americans, are watching this to learn some real history our city.
Yeah scanless history.
Former Brooklyn dodgers stadium ebbetts field became housing project
The forced removal of people was filmed? In some pics provided by Google searches you can see a film crew. Where is that footage?
My dads aunt at 3:36.
This is why im not a Dodgers fan. Knew this when i was a kid and was already a California Angels Fan!
Gustavo Arellano is great! His book on Orange County was really eye-opening for me, having grown up there in a non-Latino household. I heard about this Chavez Ravine issue in a History and the Environment class at CSUN. For the MLB, Dodger Stadium is the most beautiful ballpark there is--you hear people say that all the time. But that surface beauty has a dark underbelly. I'm for the Dodgers moving back to Brooklyn and Dodger Stadium being torn down and replaced with low-income housing. LA did without a football team for how long? It can stand to do without a baseball team until the Angels can make the move back up there. Or, maybe the A's should move to LA.
The narrator, Gustavo, is the Mexican Steve Buscemi
This here was common practice in black neighborhoods in America period Freeways were instrumental in uprooting primarily black but brown can get it too
Idk how people are surprised by this. This happens all the time
many wonderful memories have been made in Chavez ravine, remember Kirk Gibson? pure magic.
Check the book stealing Home.....😎✊🇲🇽🇺🇸
My Nana grew up at Chavez Ravine ! Her pops was an ice maker. My Nana was also an Angles fan, Real talk !
City of Angels!!
two communties were destroyed Chavez Ravine and Brooklyn the Dodger move paved the way for the gentrification of Brooklyn
I was Chavez Ravine my roots.
Great sacrifices for the better good.
Moving a population on is never pleasant for anyone effected. The book 'Forever Blue' covers all of this. The Dodgers didn't makes plans for the ravine in 1950. They aren't the bad guys.
but they've never spoken out against it. being silent is JUST as bad.
Land seized to build a ballpark. Perhaps a reminder that “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” can be the scariest nine words in the English language
They could have built that stadium in so many other places , there was so much open land during that time yet they targeted a working class Mexican community . They should go back to Brooklyn .
There the city landfill north of the ravine
California is Mexico is Native is...
F the Dodgers. Chávez ravine we’ll never forget.
Very ironic the die hard fanbase is heavily dominated by hispanic fanbase
It isn't ironic people just don't know, especially since some very evil people tried to sweep this history under the rug
That’s because baseball is way out poverty for most hispanics and other nationalities. Most people including me, wasn’t aware of this sad Chavez Ravine history
Hispanic not Mexicano
Even more sadness
I recall once A. Martinez Dodger play by play announcer relayed the history of what had happened at Chavez Ravine on a postgame I heard it live.. and I was floored, from that moment on I stopped being a fan.
Right choice
O I remember
I hope there’s a way to right these wrongs. The city and county need to make this right and return it to the families.
First I claim my city puro los angeles
Latin Lingo !!!
@@serantav 😆 ive been posting the same comment for like a month, your the first to get it 👍
@@emandafoe1237 Sen Dogggggg, huge Cypress Hill fan here!!
@@serantav dope!! been down with them sice the 90s...breal has a cool podcast you should check it out
Eventually Los Angeles will get pissed off and we wonder why there are riots, don’t blame the community blame what the big people are doing with their money.
And now the Dodgers also see fit to mock their faith. Disgraceful!
B and m Bedford and Montgomery
They didn’t require nothing,they just plain out lied to the people.
I once had a white man tell me at dodger stadium.. the only way we'll win a world series is if we have a Mexican pitcher.. that same year Urias had a historic world series ninth inning.. and i had chills because i normally dont believe in that stuff. But.....
I’m from Boyle Heights. Really close to Chavez Ravine . My dad worked for the Dodgers 1992-1997 and I worked for them in 2016 season. I know this story sucks but I don’t care . Being Mexican myself I can understand but I still don’t care . The Dodgers have brought me so much joy. I’m not sorry or feel anyway about this story. It happened, I can’t change time . I wouldn’t want too either . The Dodgers have brought me and so many others joy. Sorry not sorry. If u don’t like my opinion lol it’s not like u can do anything about it 😂😂. We LOVE THE DODGERS !!!!!!!
Abraham,how do you feel about Mexican children in cages,asking for a friend?? Geez,who hurt you? Hugz!
@@annettedflores ur a clown bro . I actually go to protest against kids in cages . That’s cuz I’m here when it’s happening . So I can help stop it in some ways . But I see what u tried to do lol assuming . Clown behavior. GO DODGERS !!!!!
gusano
So how those the government get held accountable???
I never even knew about this until hurricane Hillary Florida Dodger Stadium… funny how eminent domain is never used in wealthy neighborhoods
The company and anyone still living who assisted in the tragic take-over of the neighborhoods in Chavez Ravine should be ashamed. Don't get me wrong, I am a sports fan of the Dodgers but my Great Grand Aunt was forced by the police to leave her rented home - she was a room-mate of the owner. Both ladies were elderly. My Great Grand Aunt did be rather dramatic about her protest for the newspaper cameras and news TV reporters but she was devastated after her move away from Chavez Ravine. I have seen a news piece where my Great Grand Aunt and her room-mate claimed to like the little place they eventually moved to on the fringe of Bunker Hill. No, not really. She was never the same. I was a child but did see her before and after and my father had talked with her a lot during this time. Sad.
Alice Martin?
@@seattlerinis8249 My Great Grand Auntie was the other one - the one raising her cane in the famous newspaper photo. She was Alice's tenant room-mate and was older.
@@lindawoody8501 Amazing.. I've read Alice Martin's newsletter she hand made w/ news and commentary about the whole mess she was living through. Just the one that you find in the Edward Roybal papers. I've always wondered if she made more of them. It'd be great if we could read them all. So they settled near Bunker Hill? That place wasn't long for the world either. My grandparents and their five children lived at 671 Spruce Street in la Loma overlooking Solano Canyon, a house they owned. Twenty year old Don Normark took two pictures of my grandfather Guadalupe Garcia walking home from his job as a stevedore at Southern Pacific's "Cornfield" Yard. He put one of them on the cover of his 1999 book of Chavez Ravine photographs and remembrances. Normark must have walked past my family's home a half dozen times or more. I wonder to this day if he had any awareness of them. He also took a picture of a house they had rented previously on Yolo Drive. It was surprise when I found the house pictured on page 32 of his book matched our family photos of that rental house.
Whats the name of the woman in that famous picture of the police dragging her out of her home and into a police car
@@oyemendigo7344 Aurora Vargas
I mean, I'm sorry that people were displaced. Dodger Stadium is a really cool place, though.
Eminent Domain....read it an WEEP.
That is terrible
That’s deep / I rep. LA Dodgers ⚾️
DAAAMM BUSINESS BASTARDS💯👈
Homeboy @4:01 is a vendido-ass dodger fanboy if I ver saw one, lol! "Well intentioned," my ass
Orale
They need to make a true story movie about this.. The history how hispanic's were terribly treated, the jews and blacks were not the only one's suffered.. enough of the Marvel comics and ridiculous fairytales films..
Hispanics are treated worse by their own.
Oh wow being forced to move houses big deal
@@truthbetold6578 not to mention racism and abuse facing by the police department in those days .. think, if you were happy living where your at , you wouldn't like it if had to be kicked out of your home .. you must be white..
They keep saying Latino "Spanish speaker" , They were Mexican, Latino wasn't even identity for Mexican-Americans in the 1950s. It's ok to say Mexican be proud
LETS GO DOYERS
Go back to Brooklyn
@@monthrusunv8759 lol stfu lil boy u know that ain’t happening
@@DatBoyIsAvirgin fck dodgers
Clickbait title. Good video otherwise, always thought it was 100% Dodgers fault, now that doesnt seem to be the case.
Hell yeah it is, don’t deny it. Doyers history is cold. Go back to Brooklyn.
@@monthrusunv8759 no
My grandpa has an old saying “tanto peca el que mata la vaca como el que le agarra la pata”
i cant stand the dodgers becuase of this. the dodgers are roted. I wear padres brown. I love how the padres always involved mexico and the fan base in baja and in the chicano community. How can chicanos and mexicanos root for a trash team organization like the dodgers is beyond me
& they call the Astros cheaters... they cheated “their” own people out of their homes.
Messed up. Very sad.
All done in the name of greed. Boycott the dodgers
POS city
FTD
No no FTA it’s a American tradition dodgers wasn’t the only one
No
Go back to Brooklyn.
@@monthrusunv8759 too bad. :(
It’s so ironic how I’d say most of the Dodgers fan base are Mexican when they dogged our people.
Have you been to a Dodgers game lately, theres 56 thousand seats ,and more then half are Mexicans so please move on , and if your so angry don't use the 110 or the 60 or the 10 freeways because they went right through the Mexican neighborhoods also !
Woah 😆 are you triggered ? you must be lol
@@Mr1stcat no he's just speaking the truth
Not really it's more central Americans being around LA I don't see Mexicans in San Diego I see more Mexicans but in LA I talk to people more times Guatemalan Nicaraguan etc....
@@williamsuberalles9558 no he's being a triggered racist
@@Mr1stcat how?
He is right the freeway was created by going through Mexicans property but no one can do anything about it so like he said forget about it
And Mexicans floods dodger stadium than anyone else
So clearly they don't care because they would have boycotted dodger stadium since day 1
So please stop with that racist crap it can't win every argument and it's not going to win this one
terrible i never cared about walter O'Malley no offense nothing personal.
Pretty sure Dodgers aren’t haunted at all .
They should
They still did the Mexicans wrong, they brought Fernando for chump change even though he took them to the World Series and won, they don’t get Mexican players even though the Dodgers fans are like 50% Mexican.
You do realize Urias and Gonzalez are Mexicans right!?
Emidant domain is very common this is nothing new!!
@@EVA-oi9hs Another cold hearted person.
@@monthrusunv8759 LOL truth is never hot/cold it's merely truth.
It's Right ahi. Esta El pedo. New yorkers. Franchise bull shit.
The communist and the capitalist meet.
Sad to say but sorry this story is very old news
@@israelsanchez4364
Thousands of homes were demolished to make the 10, 60, 210, 605, 710 freeways. How come no one boycotts the freeways? Where's the outrage?
@@pigjubby1 it's all just an excuse to give people license to hate on whites that's all it is.
And why do they yearn for that license. Well that's a very long story.....
Most of it having very little to do with white people themselves...
@@SnaFOo75 the truth is the truth..... Doesn't matter what you are I think of it. I never tried to define reality I only describe it to the best of my ability.... Ain't no victim here... I'm a man who has no use for b**** energy.
@@israelsanchez4364 they still want to remember the Alamo though.... The hypocrisy by European Americans is unreal
@@martinmackye9865 when you're used to privilege equality feels like oppression
Sad, glad my Astros owned them 2017. Game 7 won on hollowed ground
Noone absolutely noone cares
🗑💥
Astros must have a ton of championships
@@renereyes1425 Actually, Millions of Dodger fans absolutely care. Just because you are still bitter about this and will continue to be bitter for the rest of your miserable life, doesn’t mean others are. We enjoy life.
STFU your team cheated their way through the 2017 World Series,therefore that trophy is tarnished and no good.
Cry me a river. Guess most of you never drive on LA freeways since the same shit happened there too. Go Dodgers! That Chavez Ravine dump would’ve been long gone today even if Dodger Stadium was never built.
FTD
No
@@rspister yes.
@@rnungaray1990 no
@@rspister 🤣