Love watching your channel man. Just started on this car audio thing. I bought the focal f3 and i love it. I will be buying another 2 sets to put on my SUV.
The phase plug will help extend the upper frequency range, which is why it’s used on the 2 way. It’s not necessary with the 3 way due to the woofer being crossed much lower
Wow! You are to awesome to explain everything down to the tee!!! Wish all installers were as knowledgeable as you!! Awesome accent to!! Thanks for sharing!! :)
Very, very cool and helpful. I've been considering the Focal flax components in my 2009 CR-V, so this was very informative regarding the differences better the 165F and 165FX. My only concern now is the fitment for the 165F in the front door panels, but I'm reasonably sure my installer can sort that. Thanks!
Great Video! 100% agree with putting the same line of speakers for front and rear. When I had my PS165F installed in the front, I had an entry level DLS coax installed in the rear. When I first heard the system, I thought it was the awesome, which speaks volumes of the quality of Focal. But then I decided to install Focal's PC165 in the rear (Not Flax but I believe practically identical). The front's improved dramatically after that, something I did not expect. So yeah, really important to have the same line of speakers for the front and rear. :)
Just came across your videos, great job mate, and super I formative. So what would you think about a set of Focal PS165FX component 2 way in the front and set of PS165F Coax in the rear and possibly a iBUS Compact Sub under the front seat of a '18 Renault Clio? Would I be able to use the standard audio system or would I need to replace the head unit as the stock might not have enough power to power the speakers? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Mate
Cool vids, I have the PS165F and used the crossover from the FX and they sound magical. I've never heard a more efficient and tonal precise speaker. They respond so well, almost like the ohms dropped! Very happy!!
Hello, and thank you for this realy nice review ! I would like to know, because I'm not sure (I'm not 100% English speaker ^^): Without regarding the price, which is the one you prefer the sound ? The F or the FX ? And by the way, do you know any other better speakers in the same range price ? Thank you very much !! :)
Great vid. Was trying to decide between fx3 and fx. Might come down to ease of install. Fx goes into factory mounts fx3 requires custom A pillar mounts to be made. Does fx3 set delete the need for a sub? Or can you run a sub too? Install is into a Holden ss ute using a jb audio VXi 8 ch or 6ch depending on the use of a sub or not.
Hi James love your channel im looking at putting some Access Series Focals in my car but un amplified would this be ok with stock stereo ive already hooked up a 10 inch sub and amp. Cant change head unit because of heater controls etc :( cheers
Hey James. So the phase plug thing. You will notice they only do that with the 2-way sets. How does it work? Consider the fact that higher frequencies have shorter wavelengths. With that, there would be wavelengths that can travel from one side of the cone to the other and then reflect out with the rest of the sound. The problem comes when the distance is more than one full wavelength away from the other side. With that, those frequencies are actually out of phase with the ones emanating from the opposing side of the cone because it takes time to travel from one side of the cone to the other. Remember the cone generates sound from the entire surface area simultaneously. When the distance from one side to the other is more than a wavelength when the root frequency and it's cousin who emanated from the opposite side of the cone are combined that sound is attenuated. The closer the two same sounds get to 180 degrees out of phase the more the sound is attenuated. Obviously at 180 degrees because of the laws of physics regarding two opposing equal forces combining no work is actually achieved but offsets less than that only show as attenuation. The phase plug actually is there to extend the speaker's frequency response by eliminating some cancellations.
Hi. You are definitely the most informed best review of the Focal speaker on UA-cam. I need to ask if you will be willing to advise a fan from South Africa what speakers to put into a nut and bolt restoration of my 1979 930 turbo Porche ? I have got a new head unit from Porche looks the part but is same as the latest stuff on the market . Please if possible advise me I'd really like something special.. regards Johnny
Thanks so much for the video. I was undecided on the Fx versus the F but this video solved it for me. FX requires bi amping which will require significant investment in amplifiers for marginal gains. Bi amping provides cleaner signals to each speaker but there’s so much road noise and other interference any gains would be lost. Also a smaller crossover is desirable in stealth implementations. It was really useful to see the majority of components are common across the range. I’m off to by the focal 6inch components for the rears and the 5.25 for the fronts and an focal under seat woofer 👍
It's not so much about bi-ampling as much as it is for using them alongside a DSP. It would help you to use time alignment and equalize individual drivers for amazing sound quality results. To each their own, but the biamping is not a gimmick for small differences, it could make big improvements to a system.
Thanks for the cool vids. Can you run these flax focals at full range? I mean without any HPF. I just hate the lack of lows when the amp HPF is set at 80hz. But also dont want to damage them. I have 165accces A1's driven at full range almost 13 years without any knowlede about HPF. And they are still in perfect shape and sound great.
Hey is the voice coil larger on the FX compared to the F? I know you mentioned the coil on the FX3 is larger but not sure on the FX. Thanks and keep up these great comparison videos:)
How much difference in sound quality would there be between the PS165f and the standard PS165?. I had the ps165 in my last car and thought they sounded good. But i have just bought a 2010 Subaru Liberty GT and am looking to upgrade from the factory McIntosh system.
To my understanding, the phase plug is to help reduce the speaker beaming as it enters the midrange frequencies, the reason the 3 way version doesn't have one is purely because it's unnecessary as the speaker will not be required to play high enough to need or benefit from a phase plug. From the looks of it, the cheaper "f" variant would probably be very similar to the other speakers but with a few small changes to make it a little more affordable. In short, the f3 midbass will be slightly more efficient on the low end as it has more cone area moving and the fx will perform better into the midrange frequencies due to the phase plug, however the f3 will still take the cake with the dedicated midrange.
alex rose the phase plug is just a marketing ploy so they can use the same frame, cone, and voice coil as the coaxial version but charge you more just to get the tweeter mounting hardware. The differences in sound with or without the phase plug are almost undetectable to the human ear.
Love your videos .... I'm getting a system installed next week in my Holden Ute SS Redline VF Series II They have recommended..... Front - Focal PS165FX Behind Seats on Side - Focal PC165F Amp - Kicker IQ10005 Sub - TCWRT124 will run at 2ohms Doors - Focal Bam Have you got any tips... I know you said get the same speakers so they are balanced. But they have recommended It will be connected into the standard Holden headunit...... don't really want to buy a new deck ....... Would love your feedback buddy.....
It seems to me that the design difference between the first two woofers (phase plug vs. dust cap) has to do with the fact that the phase plug woofer has to play all the way up to the tweeter frequency (2-way), whereas the other woofer only has to play essentially mid-bass. The "beaming" effect is likely above the range played by the 3-way woofer. Just a thought. Thanks for the great videos. I just found your stuff so I'm binge watching:-)
That is correct, the main reason for the phase plug is to stop beaming (Beaming is directly affected by the diameter of the speaker. At a specific frequency the cone is no longer able to play any higher without distortion. Normally that is where the manufacture would recommend a x-over point) basically the phase plug allows the same cone to play higher. Unfortunately if compared side by side with a full range signal the phase plug woofer usually sounds much brighter and less natural. That does change depending on the x-over point of the woofer.
Hello Car Audio etc. Thank you for explaining the similarities and differences between each set of flax speakers. I have a set of PS 165F that I will be installing in my truck, I look forward to hearing them!
Thoughts on the old polyglass vs the flax ? I have the ps165 expert 2ways and thinking of upgrading to the 165F but for the cost it better be a significant difference .
price difference in Australia. PS165F 6.5" FLAX 2-WAY$493.00 voice coil diameter 25mm magnet 85mm PS165FX 6.5" FLAX 2-WAY$599.00 voice coil diameter 32mm magnet 90mm PS165F3 6.5" FLAX 3-WAY$879.00 magnet 90mm according to focal australia could you possibly do a blind test ,say 3 people listening to same song over the 4 sets and see which they like the sounds of most.
Can anyone comment on sound quality of the PS165f vs the PS 165fx. Is the sound quality significantly different? Is the extra money worth spending for a significant sound quality difference, or go with the cheaper model? I'm considering putting these in my jeep wrangler and i cant find any comparisons.
I know this is a very dated video, but it’s one of the best I’ve seen on Focal Flax speakers. I have a 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport Q4 with the 14-speaker Harman Kardon system (with a 900W amp). I would like to replace “only” the speakers (no change to the amp or other electrical stuff because the Giulia’s electronics are super sensitive to any changes). I would love to get your opinion on this. I really like the Focal Flax idea, but don’t see any that match the specs of the current OEM speakers, which are: 165mm Woofers @ 4 ohm, 50W RMS 80mm Midrange @ 8 ohm, 25W RMS 25mm tweeters @ 12 ohms, 20W RMS And a 6”x9” (odd size for a sub) subwoofer @ 6 ohm, 50W RMS I’ve come across Focal, Audison, Hertz, JL Audio and Morel as some of the better car speakers. I would love to get your opinion.
There is definitely a difference between a 3-way and a coaxial. Mid and High Freqs are much tighter than Lows, which 3-ways allow you to install Mids and Highs at a location where you can take advantage of these tighter freqs. Low freqs are very much wider that it doesnt matter if you install low or high you will hear it about the same but no so much for Mids and HIghs. The crossover is different because it has internal components that allows the correct range of freqs. process through each set of speakers. Also has internal components that will process low input sound power and correct it. Short answer, if you want better crisp sound for front, 3 way is the best option. For rear speakers, its only basically a fill in for the front so coaxial should do good. Amplifier also makes a difference on how these set of speakers perform.
Craig White honestly can't say wether they would fit or not. Havnt done that combo that I can remember. I have done lots of type Rs into VEs but never focal. Good match for the Alpine stereo but I still always recommend an amplifier for these speakers
I like your cars set up but would it be worth upgrading to the focal k2s if you had the cash? Also if you had no choice but to run component in the rear seats is it worth going with k2s?
Well K2s are definitely a better speaker than flax, so it's really up to you how much you wanna spend. As a rule of thumb though I always say put the same speakers front and back, don't mix and match because they will sound different and overall "muddy the audible water" so to speak. So if K2s in front, K2s in rear.
I think one problem of the fx would be fitting the larger xover in the door or in the dash somewhere. How does the xover compare to the Type Rs from the VE build? I have the VE G8 with crappy speakers.
Richard Dorrough the Alpine Type Rs are definitely a great speaker for how much they cost, and in my opinion the easiest components to install since the woofer has a tiny neodymium magnet and a built on crossover, and the tweeter is small and easy to install in factory locations and has a pretty small in line crossover. I sell a lot of them since they're great quality and value for money. But they're just not quite up with my requirements for sound so I have to spend more lol. Alpines are definitely better performing without an amplifier though.
That’s why I’m going with the f’s smaller crossover. I’ve had large crossovers and believe me it makes it so much easier and the sound quality is the same as the fx.
Why do some evo woofers look different. I have the f3e and the woofer has one silver section opposite the flax logo on the rim. These in the vid have a silver band all the way around
personally I did think there was a noticeable quality difference, even though the only real physical difference is the x-over and phase dome, in NZ they're only $50 apart so I say its worth it. Then again I have a very good ear for this so the average Joe might not be able to tell the difference.
+julio bello I don't think they make a 'stand alone' 3" speaker. They only make 3"s for their three way component kits. And for 6x9 or 6.5, I always go for whatever size the location is already made for. If your parcel tray takes 6.5" speakers you'll get more bass out of those mounted on the metal in the proper way than 6x9s raised up on spacers or pods.
+julio bello I don't think they make a 'stand alone' 3" speaker. They only make 3"s for their three way component kits. And for 6x9 or 6.5, I always go for whatever size the location is already made for. If your parcel tray takes 6.5" speakers you'll get more bass out of those mounted on the metal in the proper way than 6x9s raised up on spacers or pods.
@CJ Hey ! what other component speakers are comparable (or a ' little' less great sounding) but are BEST VALUE FOR MONEY ,so that a few bucks could be saved . Help! Some say polk db 6501s are quite similar,what about morel tempo 6 ?
Try harder mate. If you bothered reading the downloadable technical sheets on Focal's website you'd have seen that the PS 165F3 6.5" driver has a lower resonant frequency (66Hz) than that of the PS 165FX (74Hz). The former is designed for use in the 3-way kit to operate as a mid bass driver only - whereby its low pass filter is set at around 800Hz, whereas the PS 165FX must operate up to its LP filter point of around 4000Hz.
@@onestrangeone2499 Nah I meant passive, or to be exact I actually mean semi active.. So that I can do that with just one 4channel amp, right? I went for 165fx in the end, after doing some research it seems like it pairs best with my 80prs.. What would you say? And how does it performs to you?
@@chestermy5211 I would say 3 way active is a complicated route, having only 4chan of amplification would pose another issue. If you are going 2 way you have 2 choices. Keep the passive networks and start off bi-amping them, the x overs on the flax 2 way allows you to have separate inputs for woofer and tweeter so you can control the gain on both woofer and tweeter instead, could be a useful tool for you. Otherwise you could ditch the provided passive units and go active, if I had an 80prs I'd certainly entertain going that route IF you are comfortable setting it up properly that unit has some awesome functions that being said if you don't know exactly how to get what you want out of tons of adjustment,it's easy to get turned upside down real quick and end up with a sound you don't want
@@onestrangeone2499 That's what I thought too..From what I know, 80prs has the ability to control the so called "3 way", which is high, mid and low(subwoofer if I remembered correctly) instead of tweeter, mid and woofer. Just talked a bit to my audio guy about the focal 165fx and he suggested to go for semi active and I assumed that's what you mentioned as the bi amp right? Sorry if I ever said something wrong because I'm so new to this ICE thing, what I want is just to squeeze every single juice from my current setup and live with it, but I'm uncertain whether passive, semi active or full active for optimal output.
@@chestermy5211 you are correct about what the unit controls, I'm not sure what the point would be going semi on the 2 way, that would mean for example the tweeters being ran off of a passive network, then having active control over the mid woofer or Vise versa. Bi amping the passive networks will give you separate gain control over the tweeters and mid woofers and also allow you to time align each driver separately from your head unit if I'm not mistaken however you will be somewhat limited by the passive networks, if you want full control over each woofer and tweeter then ditch the passive networks completely and use the active x over on the 80prs, get another amp and use the leftover channel for a sub and have all sorts of control over the entire system
Love watching your channel man. Just started on this car audio thing. I bought the focal f3 and i love it. I will be buying another 2 sets to put on my SUV.
Still today a super good review! Thank you! seeing this video 3 years ago, I decided to go full Focal Flax in my restoration VW bus T2b 1979.
The phase plug will help extend the upper frequency range, which is why it’s used on the 2 way. It’s not necessary with the 3 way due to the woofer being crossed much lower
Wow! You are to awesome to explain everything down to the tee!!! Wish all installers were as knowledgeable as you!! Awesome accent to!! Thanks for sharing!! :)
Knowledgeable and professional shop with great Hi End speaker review! Thanks !
Thanks very much for the first and only proper explanation. You really know your stuff... all I can say is fantastic thanks
Very, very cool and helpful. I've been considering the Focal flax components in my 2009 CR-V, so this was very informative regarding the differences better the 165F and 165FX. My only concern now is the fitment for the 165F in the front door panels, but I'm reasonably sure my installer can sort that. Thanks!
Which set did you end up buying?
Great Video! 100% agree with putting the same line of speakers for front and rear. When I had my PS165F installed in the front, I had an entry level DLS coax installed in the rear. When I first heard the system, I thought it was the awesome, which speaks volumes of the quality of Focal. But then I decided to install Focal's PC165 in the rear (Not Flax but I believe practically identical). The front's improved dramatically after that, something I did not expect. So yeah, really important to have the same line of speakers for the front and rear. :)
Just came across your videos, great job mate, and super I formative. So what would you think about a set of Focal PS165FX component 2 way in the front and set of PS165F Coax in the rear and possibly a iBUS Compact Sub under the front seat of a '18 Renault Clio? Would I be able to use the standard audio system or would I need to replace the head unit as the stock might not have enough power to power the speakers? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Mate
Cool vids, I have the PS165F and used the crossover from the FX and they sound magical. I've never heard a more efficient and tonal precise speaker. They respond so well, almost like the ohms dropped! Very happy!!
Hi, do you have them plugged up to an Amplifier?
@@andybunce5456 I absolutely did, to a Mosconi 80 X 4
Awesome presentation….keep up the great videos.
Hello, and thank you for this realy nice review ! I would like to know, because I'm not sure (I'm not 100% English speaker ^^):
Without regarding the price, which is the one you prefer the sound ? The F or the FX ? And by the way, do you know any other better speakers in the same range price ? Thank you very much !! :)
Great vid. Was trying to decide between fx3 and fx. Might come down to ease of install. Fx goes into factory mounts fx3 requires custom A pillar mounts to be made. Does fx3 set delete the need for a sub? Or can you run a sub too? Install is into a Holden ss ute using a jb audio VXi 8 ch or 6ch depending on the use of a sub or not.
Hi James love your channel im looking at putting some Access Series Focals in my car but un amplified would this be ok with stock stereo ive already hooked up a 10 inch sub and amp. Cant change head unit because of heater controls etc :( cheers
Hey James. So the phase plug thing. You will notice they only do that with the 2-way sets. How does it work? Consider the fact that higher frequencies have shorter wavelengths. With that, there would be wavelengths that can travel from one side of the cone to the other and then reflect out with the rest of the sound. The problem comes when the distance is more than one full wavelength away from the other side. With that, those frequencies are actually out of phase with the ones emanating from the opposing side of the cone because it takes time to travel from one side of the cone to the other. Remember the cone generates sound from the entire surface area simultaneously. When the distance from one side to the other is more than a wavelength when the root frequency and it's cousin who emanated from the opposite side of the cone are combined that sound is attenuated. The closer the two same sounds get to 180 degrees out of phase the more the sound is attenuated. Obviously at 180 degrees because of the laws of physics regarding two opposing equal forces combining no work is actually achieved but offsets less than that only show as attenuation. The phase plug actually is there to extend the speaker's frequency response by eliminating some cancellations.
Appreciate the explanation.
Here in the states crutchfield has the fx discontinued. Naturally the ones I purchased.
Hi. You are definitely the most informed best review of the Focal speaker on UA-cam. I need to ask if you will be willing to advise a fan from South Africa what speakers to put into a nut and bolt restoration of my 1979 930 turbo Porche ? I have got a new head unit from Porche looks the part but is same as the latest stuff on the market . Please if possible advise me I'd really like something special.. regards Johnny
Well done. A useful review!
Thanks so much for the video. I was undecided on the Fx versus the F but this video solved it for me. FX requires bi amping which will require significant investment in amplifiers for marginal gains. Bi amping provides cleaner signals to each speaker but there’s so much road noise and other interference any gains would be lost. Also a smaller crossover is desirable in stealth implementations. It was really useful to see the majority of components are common across the range. I’m off to by the focal 6inch components for the rears and the 5.25 for the fronts and an focal under seat woofer 👍
na mate, it doesn't REQUIRE bi amping, you CAN bi amp it, big difference.
It's not so much about bi-ampling as much as it is for using them alongside a DSP. It would help you to use time alignment and equalize individual drivers for amazing sound quality results. To each their own, but the biamping is not a gimmick for small differences, it could make big improvements to a system.
Thanks for the cool vids. Can you run these flax focals at full range? I mean without any HPF. I just hate the lack of lows when the amp HPF is set at 80hz. But also dont want to damage them. I have 165accces A1's driven at full range almost 13 years without any knowlede about HPF. And they are still in perfect shape and sound great.
Hey is the voice coil larger on the FX compared to the F? I know you mentioned the coil on the FX3 is larger but not sure on the FX. Thanks and keep up these great comparison videos:)
Thanks a lot you helped me a lot to do right choice.
How much difference in sound quality would there be between the PS165f and the standard PS165?. I had the ps165 in my last car and thought they sounded good. But i have just bought a 2010 Subaru Liberty GT and am looking to upgrade from the factory McIntosh system.
To my understanding, the phase plug is to help reduce the speaker beaming as it enters the midrange frequencies, the reason the 3 way version doesn't have one is purely because it's unnecessary as the speaker will not be required to play high enough to need or benefit from a phase plug. From the looks of it, the cheaper "f" variant would probably be very similar to the other speakers but with a few small changes to make it a little more affordable.
In short, the f3 midbass will be slightly more efficient on the low end as it has more cone area moving and the fx will perform better into the midrange frequencies due to the phase plug, however the f3 will still take the cake with the dedicated midrange.
alex rose the phase plug is just a marketing ploy so they can use the same frame, cone, and voice coil as the coaxial version but charge you more just to get the tweeter mounting hardware. The differences in sound with or without the phase plug are almost undetectable to the human ear.
How do the Focal compare with the German Maestro? Will Focal fit in a BMW X5? BTW Awesome videos
Have you ever checked out the es 165 k x 3 ways and if so how do they compare to the flex
any experience with Gladen Aerospace series? If money was not an issue which 10" subwoofer would you choose? Thx!
Just bought the ps165 f3 set, can't wait till they get here.
Love your videos .... I'm getting a system installed next week in my Holden Ute SS Redline VF Series II
They have recommended.....
Front - Focal PS165FX
Behind Seats on Side - Focal PC165F
Amp - Kicker IQ10005
Sub - TCWRT124 will run at 2ohms
Doors - Focal Bam
Have you got any tips... I know you said get the same speakers so they are balanced. But they have recommended
It will be connected into the standard Holden headunit...... don't really want to buy a new deck .......
Would love your feedback buddy.....
I wonder how the 6.5 coax would sound in the doors with a nice focal amp!?
It seems to me that the design difference between the first two woofers (phase plug vs. dust cap) has to do with the fact that the phase plug woofer has to play all the way up to the tweeter frequency (2-way), whereas the other woofer only has to play essentially mid-bass. The "beaming" effect is likely above the range played by the 3-way woofer. Just a thought. Thanks for the great videos. I just found your stuff so I'm binge watching:-)
That is correct, the main reason for the phase plug is to stop beaming (Beaming is directly affected by the diameter of the speaker. At a specific frequency the cone is no longer able to play any higher without distortion. Normally that is where the manufacture would recommend a x-over point) basically the phase plug allows the same cone to play higher. Unfortunately if compared side by side with a full range signal the phase plug woofer usually sounds much brighter and less natural. That does change depending on the x-over point of the woofer.
Hello Car Audio etc. Thank you for explaining the similarities and differences between each set of flax speakers. I have a set of PS 165F that I will be installing in my truck, I look forward to hearing them!
Can they handle 150 watts per Chanel (6.900). I have Herts SPL PRO 6-1/2 with infinity 1 inch tweeters now
Put the FX in my 2012 Tacoma. The mids are nice. Finding the tweeters hard to tame. Very very bright.
Super nice video review good job
Thoughts on the old polyglass vs the flax ? I have the ps165 expert 2ways and thinking of upgrading to the 165F but for the cost it better be a significant difference .
Chris Seng I would only upgrade the poly glass to the K2X Kevlar series.
price difference in Australia.
PS165F 6.5" FLAX 2-WAY$493.00
voice coil diameter 25mm
magnet 85mm
PS165FX 6.5" FLAX 2-WAY$599.00
voice coil diameter 32mm
magnet 90mm
PS165F3 6.5" FLAX 3-WAY$879.00
magnet 90mm
according to focal australia
could you possibly do a blind test ,say 3 people listening to same song over the 4 sets and see which they like the sounds of most.
so if i get an amp to power up the speakers, i dont even need the crossover. if we do not need to go for fx right? now i am thinking of the k series.
Which focal speaker sounds more alive? Flax Evo or the K2 series?
Can anyone comment on sound quality of the PS165f vs the PS 165fx. Is the sound quality significantly different? Is the extra money worth spending for a significant sound quality difference, or go with the cheaper model? I'm considering putting these in my jeep wrangler and i cant find any comparisons.
I know this is a very dated video, but it’s one of the best I’ve seen on Focal Flax speakers. I have a 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport Q4 with the 14-speaker Harman Kardon system (with a 900W amp). I would like to replace “only” the speakers (no change to the amp or other electrical stuff because the Giulia’s electronics are super sensitive to any changes). I would love to get your opinion on this. I really like the Focal Flax idea, but don’t see any that match the specs of the current OEM speakers, which are:
165mm Woofers @ 4 ohm, 50W RMS
80mm Midrange @ 8 ohm, 25W RMS
25mm tweeters @ 12 ohms, 20W RMS
And a 6”x9” (odd size for a sub) subwoofer @ 6 ohm, 50W RMS
I’ve come across Focal, Audison, Hertz, JL Audio and Morel as some of the better car speakers.
I would love to get your opinion.
There is definitely a difference between a 3-way and a coaxial. Mid and High Freqs are much tighter than Lows, which 3-ways allow you to install Mids and Highs at a location where you can take advantage of these tighter freqs. Low freqs are very much wider that it doesnt matter if you install low or high you will hear it about the same but no so much for Mids and HIghs. The crossover is different because it has internal components that allows the correct range of freqs. process through each set of speakers. Also has internal components that will process low input sound power and correct it. Short answer, if you want better crisp sound for front, 3 way is the best option. For rear speakers, its only basically a fill in for the front so coaxial should do good. Amplifier also makes a difference on how these set of speakers perform.
great video. thanks!!
Hey bro to they sell tweeters separate in case they broke 1 out of my tweet?
What do you think about k2 series?
thanks great video
Ok! TNX! But i have one more comparison)) What about Focal K2 Power ES 165 K? To below a question?
+Serhiy L definitely better. That's on another whole level. And price range...
If you answer, I need your information to be very happy Thank you ..
Hi. Where’s your shop located? Im from auckland
Would the 165fx and the coaxs fit into a ve commodore? Also do you think theyd match well to the alpine X008? Great vid btw
Craig White honestly can't say wether they would fit or not.
Havnt done that combo that I can remember.
I have done lots of type Rs into VEs but never focal.
Good match for the Alpine stereo but I still always recommend an amplifier for these speakers
Howngood are the ps165fx on quality
I like your cars set up but would it be worth upgrading to the focal k2s if you had the cash? Also if you had no choice but to run component in the rear seats is it worth going with k2s?
Well K2s are definitely a better speaker than flax, so it's really up to you how much you wanna spend.
As a rule of thumb though I always say put the same speakers front and back, don't mix and match because they will sound different and overall "muddy the audible water" so to speak.
So if K2s in front, K2s in rear.
I think one problem of the fx would be fitting the larger xover in the door or in the dash somewhere. How does the xover compare to the Type Rs from the VE build? I have the VE G8 with crappy speakers.
Richard Dorrough the Alpine Type Rs are definitely a great speaker for how much they cost, and in my opinion the easiest components to install since the woofer has a tiny neodymium magnet and a built on crossover, and the tweeter is small and easy to install in factory locations and has a pretty small in line crossover.
I sell a lot of them since they're great quality and value for money. But they're just not quite up with my requirements for sound so I have to spend more lol.
Alpines are definitely better performing without an amplifier though.
That’s why I’m going with the f’s smaller crossover. I’ve had large crossovers and believe me it makes it so much easier and the sound quality is the same as the fx.
Why do some evo woofers look different. I have the f3e and the woofer has one silver section opposite the flax logo on the rim. These in the vid have a silver band all the way around
I figured it out this is an old video and mine are the f3e EVo
The F3 version does not need a phase plug because it is crossed over lower.
hello , what is better Focal 165 FX or 165 F ??
I see you love focal, What would be your second and third speaker brand option?
Morel, Rainbow, Eton, HAT
Hello my responsibility focal in the front doors ps 165 f3 in the back doors focal ps fx I would be compatible if I use .. thank you ..
Ertuğ selam 2 yıl geçmiş ama ps165 f3 nasıl? Tavsiye edermisin? Anfi ne önerirsin? Memnun kalmadıysan 3 yollu ne tavsiye edersin
I have the JBL gto609c, how does focal 165 f compare? is there a huge audio difference? which one has a more "clear" sound?
personally I did think there was a noticeable quality difference, even though the only real physical difference is the x-over and phase dome, in NZ they're only $50 apart so I say its worth it.
Then again I have a very good ear for this so the average Joe might not be able to tell the difference.
how about the access line compared to performance line?
how much ?
What you need to do is flax vs voce vs mille.
Will there be a big difference between the 165F and the 165FX? Thank you Sir and Fantastic Videos.
I love the sound of Focal. The closest thing I've found to them is the Polk Audio db6501's.
Sinister 😂
Phase plugs are designed to give a drive more excursion
Really? In pa systems at least, phase plugs help with high frequency off axis dispersion. In other words it gets rid of "beaming" of the hf.
Focal buenisimos
Does focal have 3 inch speakers
And 6x9 or should I go for 6.5
+julio bello I don't think they make a 'stand alone' 3" speaker.
They only make 3"s for their three way component kits.
And for 6x9 or 6.5, I always go for whatever size the location is already made for.
If your parcel tray takes 6.5" speakers you'll get more bass out of those mounted on the metal in the proper way than 6x9s raised up on spacers or pods.
+julio bello I don't think they make a 'stand alone' 3" speaker.
They only make 3"s for their three way component kits.
And for 6x9 or 6.5, I always go for whatever size the location is already made for.
If your parcel tray takes 6.5" speakers you'll get more bass out of those mounted on the metal in the proper way than 6x9s raised up on spacers or pods.
So, what is better for sound ? 165F or 165FX ? To according of yours opinion) Hi)
FX definitely
He says they sound identical. Hmmm
who is the creepy guy watching u in the backround
Is Focal better than JBL stadium GTO speakers
adaboy4z yes
@CJ Hey ! what other component speakers are comparable (or a ' little' less great sounding) but are BEST VALUE FOR MONEY ,so that a few bucks could be saved . Help! Some say polk db 6501s are quite similar,what about morel tempo 6 ?
@Scarpa Molisanti thanks a lot for your time writing this
where u located dude??
Christchurch New Zealand
Tho its Focal PS165FX won EISA award
are these better than the k2 power focals?
Love the agonizing "music" you sneak in there with no warning at the beginning. That's clever not fading it in.
Try harder mate. If you bothered reading the downloadable technical sheets on Focal's website you'd have seen that the PS 165F3 6.5" driver has a lower resonant frequency (66Hz) than that of the PS 165FX (74Hz). The former is designed for use in the 3-way kit to operate as a mid bass driver only - whereby its low pass filter is set at around 800Hz, whereas the PS 165FX must operate up to its LP filter point of around 4000Hz.
Is it possible to run Focal PS165F3 passive with Pioneer 80prs?
You mean active ?
@@onestrangeone2499 Nah I meant passive, or to be exact I actually mean semi active.. So that I can do that with just one 4channel amp, right? I went for 165fx in the end, after doing some research it seems like it pairs best with my 80prs.. What would you say? And how does it performs to you?
@@chestermy5211 I would say 3 way active is a complicated route, having only 4chan of amplification would pose another issue. If you are going 2 way you have 2 choices. Keep the passive networks and start off bi-amping them, the x overs on the flax 2 way allows you to have separate inputs for woofer and tweeter so you can control the gain on both woofer and tweeter instead, could be a useful tool for you. Otherwise you could ditch the provided passive units and go active, if I had an 80prs I'd certainly entertain going that route IF you are comfortable setting it up properly that unit has some awesome functions that being said if you don't know exactly how to get what you want out of tons of adjustment,it's easy to get turned upside down real quick and end up with a sound you don't want
@@onestrangeone2499 That's what I thought too..From what I know, 80prs has the ability to control the so called "3 way", which is high, mid and low(subwoofer if I remembered correctly) instead of tweeter, mid and woofer. Just talked a bit to my audio guy about the focal 165fx and he suggested to go for semi active and I assumed that's what you mentioned as the bi amp right? Sorry if I ever said something wrong because I'm so new to this ICE thing, what I want is just to squeeze every single juice from my current setup and live with it, but I'm uncertain whether passive, semi active or full active for optimal output.
@@chestermy5211 you are correct about what the unit controls, I'm not sure what the point would be going semi on the 2 way, that would mean for example the tweeters being ran off of a passive network, then having active control over the mid woofer or Vise versa. Bi amping the passive networks will give you separate gain control over the tweeters and mid woofers and also allow you to time align each driver separately from your head unit if I'm not mistaken however you will be somewhat limited by the passive networks, if you want full control over each woofer and tweeter then ditch the passive networks completely and use the active x over on the 80prs, get another amp and use the leftover channel for a sub and have all sorts of control over the entire system
Went with the FX. 👍
Have you learned how to say membrane yet?
f=if in Australian lol
thanks for the info mate!
you move a lot making me dizzy!
first hopefully
rip it lol
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